Michael Bennet gets caught in a moment of rare honesty with an open mike in the Senate:
“It’s all rigged. The whole conversation is rigged. The fact that we don’t get to a discussion before the break about what we’re going to do in the lame duck. It’s just rigged.”
Of course it is. They know what they want — a deal to extend all the Bush tax cuts for 2-3 years. It’s just a matter of how the Democrats can set the Republicans up to take the blame, yet not do it in a way that causes political blowback for them. They tried for months to get the Republicans to share the blame for the health care bill, and couldn’t pull that off either, so I doubt their competence has improved significantly.
So Nancy Pelosi will preside over her little piece of stunt theater today in the House, taking a meaningless vote that will surprise nobody when it fails because she set the bar for success at 290 votes, which they can’t possibly hope to achieve.
But gosh darn it, they tried.
[ed. note: The House will use a procedural move to vote on the $250,000-level cuts under regular order without opening it up for unlimited amendments.]
And then the Senate will all huddle together, because the Democrats will have “proven” that the Republicans are obstructionists, and say “well, extending the tax cuts for 2-3 years” (you know, temporarily, like the President has been saying) is “the best we could do.”
There’s no difference between passing them all indefinitely and passing them for 2-3 years, because the same crew will just come back and do the same thing again. Nobody is seriously trying to fight for anything better, or negotiate, or play hard ball, or deal in a way that might ACTUALLY put the Republicans on the spot. You know, by crafting a compromise that actually HELPS people.
Brian Beutler, reporting on the Monday White House meeting:
At an undisclosed White House meeting yesterday with Senate Democratic leaders, President Obama pushed back on a controversial, but politically potent tax cut plan that has knocked Republicans off message in recent days.
Pushing hardest for the new approach was Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the third ranking Democrat in the Senate and the Dems’ new point man for combining message and policy. He proposes to create a new tax bracket above the $1 million income threshold, and let Republicans decide whether to fight to the death to give those people a tax cut. It’s the one compromise that polls well and wrongfoots the GOP at the same time.
Got that? I’m going to repeat it one more time, just to make sure people heard:
President Obama pushed back on a controversial, but politically potent tax cut plan that has knocked Republicans off message in recent days.
Say it one more time, just to be absolutely clear:
President Obama pushed back on a controversial, but politically potent tax cut plan that has knocked Republicans off message in recent days.
So there actually is a plan out there that has “knocked Republicans off message”:
“Republicans are worried about this proposal because it would expose that they are fighting for millionaires instead of the middle class,” said Schumer’s spokesman Brian Fallon in a statement to me.
Just today, Republicans were forced off their usual tax cut talking points to blast Schumer’s plan not because it will raise taxes on millionaires, but because it focus groups well.
But instead of actually trying to fight that fight, Nancy Pelosi schedules some bullshit vote as a way to “expose the Republicans” when they vote against extending only the middle class tax cuts. You know, those Republicans who are going to take credit for extending ALL the tax cuts against opposition from Democrats, the thing that is actually going to happen. Like people are going to remember some meaningless procedural vote from the 2010 lame duck session.
Meanwhile, Obama is — let’s say it one more time — pushing back against a plan that might have a chance of blocking an extension of the tax cuts at least to those at the very top of the food chain. Why?
But Democratic leaders (other than Schumer) and Obama himself oppose the plan for a few reasons. At the meeting yesterday, according to a source familiar with the discussions, “the concerns expressed were about the cost [to the deficit] and the risk of redefining the middle class as those making over one million.”
Okay. So Obama won’t come out in public and say that he only wants a bill extending tax cuts for people making under $250,000 a year, he won’t threaten to veto any bill other than that, we know the House has scheduled a vote that can’t possibly pass, and the Senate doesn’t even have the support from the Democrats — let alone enough Republicans to pass it.
Uh-huh. Right. So this is what Obama REALLY cares about.
Bulllshit. We’re headed for extending ALL the tax cuts for 2-3 years, because that’s what Obama really wants. The rest is just political theater designed to appease the chumps base.
Meanwhile, as entertaining as all of this is to political junkies, 2 million people are set to lose their unemployment benefits by the end of the year. Which nobody, in the midst of their partisan game playing, seems to give a shit about.
It’s Christmas time, you bastards. People can’t feed their kids. You continue to shovel trillions of dollars at the banks. And all of you — Pelosi, Reid, Obama — you fail the test not only of leadership, but of basic human compassion. Of having any kind of a moral compass.
The game is rigged. And nobody will be fooled into thinking that little treat you’re going to drop in their Christmas stocking is anything other than a lump of coal.
Nancy Pelosi will go down in history as the first woman speaker of the House — who ran a freak show for the masses while the oligarchs stole the country blind.
Update: According to Kagro, Pelosi is using another maneuver to bring the bill up such that the GOP can’t make a motion to recommit — or add amendments. So it will require only a simple majority. It may pass, but even then it will only wind up in the Senate, where Reid won’t be able to get support within his own caucus (let alone from the Republicans) to get cloture on it. With time winding down, just more kabuki. Not impressed.




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Fixed it for you.
Then in 2012 he can campaign on “finally ending the cuts” because the mean ol GOP will make them permanent.
The bitter irony of Obama enabling American Fascism…it’s hard to wrap my mind around it. I think all those attacks about Obama being a Neville Chamberlain were right, in yet another irony. Bipartisanship in our time!
It’s too bad we can’t wave a wand and get all Americans to watch the full segment, especially the 0:37 shown above.
You’ve convinced me. Pelosi’s vote is simply Kabuki to give Obama cover to cave, yet again. It’s clear that his best outcome is tax cut extensions for everyone (i.e., the rich too) in exchange for DADT, START, DREAM, and an extension of unemployment benefits. I honestly don’t see why he thinks the Republicans are going to trade; I think they will let the tax cuts expire and forego the list of progressive actions, and then “force” Obama to extend the cuts without the laundry list. This guy can’t lead/negotiate for shit. Okay, won’t lead/negotiate.
Thank you for callling BS on the Kabuki, and explaining to folks outside the beltway why the Pelosi vote, which will no doubt be very satisfying, will in fact be cover for Obama’s sellout of Americans.
PS. Who are we going to get to replace Obama?
So Nancy Pelosi will preside over her little piece of stunt theater today in the House, taking a meaningless vote that will surprise nobody when it fails because she set the bar for success at 290 votes, which they can’t possibly hope to achieve.
I must give her points for creativity. While the rest of the Democratic party wants the Senate to adopt the House’s majority rule voting system, Pelosi comes up with a House version of the filibuster rule. If there was a hall of fame for rotating villains, she would get her own wing.
They could easily make up the revenue lost from those making $250,000 to $1 million by turning the Social Security tax cap into a tax doughnut hole by taxing millionaires at the same rate those making under $106,000 are– oh wait that would be like MacArthur crossing the 50 yard line (to mix metaphors), forget I even said that. Democrats only play defense.
You are absolutely right Jane.
The Republicans take care of the rich and say ”What are you going to do about it?”
Obama and company take care of the rich and then lie, deceive and spin their antics to the voters.
Therefore, in my opinion, Obama and company are more evil than the Republicans.
May they rot in hell for eternity, all of them.
Very well put, Jane. They failed that test a long, long, time ago.
Jane, Kos’s Waldman is reporting that Pelosi figured out a way to insert the bill into one already passed by the House and returned from the Senate with amendments. They’re going to do a gut and stuff of the old bill, replacing it with the tax cut language. The kicker is that because the bill is from the Senate, it cannot be recommitted. A recommit sends it back to the originating House committee–but there isn’t one anymore.
So without that hurdle, they don’t need a 2/3 vote anymore, is my understanding. Straight 218.
And really terrible defense at that.
Uh, that’s gut and stuff, not guy. Don’t know if it has currency on the House floor, but here in OR it means take language out of a bill’s shell (gut) and insert totally different language (stuff).
I think it is a HUGE mistake. I think Schumer is dead wrong, and I hope the Democrats allow all the cuts to expire rather than set this sort of precedent. I pray they can not reach agreement on this sort of non-solution and the tax cuts just expire as they were intended to do. How pathetic that the Democratic Party has moved so far to the right of Clinton tax policy. Who would ever have imagined?
Thanks Jane.
Right. So it may pass the House, to die in the Senate. Is that more than improved political theater? Will the Senate Republicans filibuster a tax cut bill? If it passes the House, and is allowed to come up in the Senate, it might pass. I can’t believe that Prez O would veto a bill that was just what he (publicly) asked for. So it comes down to filibuster.
Jane, Pleez…Nancy has to think of Alexandra’s future, no? And yes, the 3 years extension will be good for another decade cause in 2013 there will almost certainly be a Republican President!
Thanks, Jane. Watched the clip in Scarecrow’s post – love your passion.
Please take good care of yourself; we need your outspoken passion and straight talk, cutting through the kabuki (is that a mixed metaphor?) to the truth of what is going on before our eyes.
Well, except for those undisclosed meetings where O pushes the defeatist scenario some more.
I’ll continue to defend O from the racist, birther lies, for the obvious reasons, but he has lost me for good as a voter or supporter or rationalizer of his actions.
Remember that in this Congress even on the best day, Pelosi can only gather 219 votes and that by twisting Blue Dog arms a little and progressive arms a lot. And that she’s taken the position that the Senate must go first because the House can move things through faster than the Senate. But the House must originate tax legislation.
In this case, “we tried” might just allow the tax cuts to expire–all of them.
The biggest problem I’m beginning to believe is that Democrats are constantly telegraphing their strategy and their indecision with all these backgrounders and trial balloons. While the Republicans can up the ante with an element of surprise, like John Kyl’s holding the START treaty hostage for tax cuts for the wealthy.
And that video clip, Jane. Outstanding use of what bully pulpit you have been given. Hit ‘em in the gizzard; they’ve go no hearts.
I forgot to say – keep hearing apologists or spoxfolks saying they “might” agree to extend all tax cuts “but only” for 2 or 3 years — and I want to scream and throw a shoe at the tv or radio.
You are the only person poiinting out that that is the same as making them “permanent.”
For the past 2 years the Donkles’ strategy appears to be Look Busy while doing nothing.
Is it possible that by passing the middle class tax cuts in the House, the Senate can later pass them even in the next session because the Senate has a Dem majority?
Because SHUT UP THAT’S WHY.
/Obamabotting
bully pulpit you have been given.
I’m sure you didn’t mean it this way, but my immediate thought is – nobody gave Jane this “pulpit”–she has fought tooth and nail with sweat and blood to build it for herself, and for us.
I’ve watched it grow, and although I only know a small part of the work it has taken, I can’t imagine having the guts and stamina to have done anything like it myself.
This is a major reason I admire Jane so much, even when occasionally finding I disagree…and that’s pretty seldom. FDL has become what it has by dint of hard, hard work.
“… because that’s what Obama really wants …”
That’s all that need be said. Get used to it.
Jane,
The entire segment on MSNBC last night was great, but these 30 seconds were perfect. I wasn’t surprised by your excellent articulation of the issues or by your excellent analysis of the problems created by political ineffectiveness. But you usually remain calm as you speak truth to power, so I was very surprised by your passion in these 30 seconds near the end of the segment. Your anger/indignation came across perfectly.
Thanks Jane!
The corrupt politicians are cutting up the carcass of the country and eating it.
“And nobody will be fooled into thinking that little treat you’re going to drop in their Christmas stocking is anything other than a lump of
coalshit…Fixed it for you. Thanks, Jane. Great, great post and I hope the MSM picks up your post and spreads it far enough to out the “leadership” to the public.
Thanks, Jane. Keep it up. The game IS rigged… good to see Bennett telling the truth. Maybe he didn’t mean be heard, but then again… maybe, in a rare display of having some kind of “conscience,” he did.
I think I’ve just moved on to the “acceptance” stage in my grieving cycle, although I do frequently jump back to the anger stage. Mostly angry at the duped populace so easily distracted by completely stupid stuff.
And so: on it goes…
also to add….
The donkles always want to “expose” republicans or “force” them to defend X & Y.
They seem to do this when its doesnt matter. Do you think 2 years from now people will remember this. If you are going to do kabuki at least do it when its close to an election and matters.
It seems to me, based on my travels around the Internoobs that Obama has passed some sort of threshold with Democrats. The Orange Satan seems to be running 80-90% anti-Obama in the recommended diary comments. Even general websites that post political items have many Democrats posting that they are disgusted with Prez Zero. The news is filled with stories about him capitulating.
All I’ve got to look forward to is Barry’s ego taking a pounding, because while he’s going to be paid off handsomely when this term ends, he’ll still carry around with him for the rest of his life the stench of being a first term loser, despised by left and right. Feel the deep burn! Oh, it’s so deep!
Jane: Thank you for your good work and passion. I feel the people of this country are at the mercy of these politicians. bush was a monster, but obama is even worse because he is a pretender.
Glad to see the most powerful part of this tv appearance again. You say it all, Jane.
Man, where do we go from here. Just wall-to-wall, top-to-bottom sociopathy in our totally captured, mobbed-up “government.”
Jane, first I’d like to say that the 30-second clip attached to this story is your very best TV appearance to date. You’re typically very, very good at deconstructing all the details and points of policy when you’re on TV, but this one contained this visceral plea for understanding just exactly what all those details and policies are about, and just why we’re supposed to bother thinking about them in the first place. That they’re not important intrinsically, but precisely because they’re supposed to help people, and help the country.
Second, I’d also like to applaud your efforts again to put resources and energy into popular initiatives, because you seem to be seriously internalizing this as the inevitability of our system:
We exalt, by requirement of our electoral system and form of democracy, only the most shameless, conceited, narcissistic people in our country to positions of authority. The fundamental lack of humanity is endemic. A required feature, not an incidental attribute.
Things like Just Say Now! help fundamentally undermine that arrangement, and also help people get engaged in political processes that are actually about them, and not about some team or some random ambitious empty-suit.
Thank you very, very much.
Great job Jane!!! Of course this WH is deaf, dumb and blind.
I guess losing the house was not a big enough lesson for the Democrats bcz they continue to play games instead of making changes that improves peoples lives. They will lose the White House in 2012 and possibly the senate. Unfortunately, the dems are going to have to lose more members before they get it right and clean house on their current leadership. Choosing Pelosi to serve as their leader for the next two years was a classic case of the definition of insanity- doing the same thing and expecting different results. The democrats were given a golden opportunity to show the difference btwn them and the republicans and they failed miserably. They still have not learned that it is not what you say that shows the difference it is what you do that does. Anyone or party that chooses a procedure that they know will fail in order to make the opposition look bad at the expense of two million people around the holidays is A MONSTER AND A PARTY OF MONSTERS.
No,no,no…..This WH just don’t give a damn about ordinary Americans,it’s that simple.
Has anyone found it on youtube for re-posting? I couldn’t find it.
Marvelous, Jane.
Then don’t pass the tax cuts. Everyone is up in arms about the deficit so just let them expire. Basically come out and say to the republicans we aren’t going to pass tax cuts because we need deficit control. Then we can pay for unemployment benefits and other ideas to foster job creation. Let Nancy have her vote if she wants to, but make it REAL clear that this is it, you vote yes or no. If you vote no then we aren’t going to come back until next year on it. I’d rather pay a few $100 and jam the tax cuts right up the republicans rear end.
Not sure I follow the downside here: House passes middle class only cut package. Senate passes it? Hooray! Senate doesn’t pass it–double Hooray, ALL cuts expire!
The only way this is bad is if the House drafts and passes a wealthy extension in another bill. THAT would make this theater, if they plan to do that. But Jane’s objection seems to be premised on the idea the bill CANNOT pass the lame duck House. Given the release from needing a supermajority, the lame duck has more than enough Dems to pass it.
The ONLY way the rich get an extension is if the House passes one. THAT would be phenomenally stupid, agreed. But passing the MC-only package in the House looks win-win: the only options at that stage are MC-only cuts, or no cuts at all.
Let’s do something about it.
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We may not change anything, but I for one don’t want to sit around today and watch this shit go down, having done nothing to try to stop it.
thanks Jane for speaking out for so many of us that don’t have the forum or platform to express our outrage and anger at this Administration playing us for blind fools who don’t see what’s really going on.
who would have ever thought Obama to be nothing more than the Trojan Horse for the republicans, invariably the biggest sham perpretrated on the political left. it’s come to the point where I can’t stand looking at him or listening to his voice I have to leave the room or change the channel.
My Lame Duck Session Fantasy is that Obama is sent legislation extending tax cuts for the wealthy, which he vetoes saying to the public,
“Following the Democrats’ fiscally responsible Pay-as-you-Go approach to legislation, this bill is being vetoed as the Republican proponents would have financed this welfare-for-the-wealthy by incurring more debt. This will not happen on my watch.”
Then I woke up.
sigh
that’s an incredibly powerful appearance, Jane. It’s on my facebook page now, and my bet is it gets tons of views and shared with a LOT of people.
I’m beyond disgusted. and you know what? I have a job, and I can barely afford christmas for my kid.
Joe Pitts’ (R-PA) staffer just got an earfull.
Democrats and Republicans are now two sides of the same coin. And that coin is in the pocket of the rich, the Banksters, and Wall Street.
It’s always been that way. What’s changed now with the Information Age and the internet is that it’s glaringly evident to anyone who doesn’t have their head wedged squarely up their ass.
That begs the question of how long people will put up with it before they go all French Revolution on the oligarch’s collective asses. The next decade is going to be fascinating.
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Spot on Jane. But extending the tax cuts for the 250K’ers is not just what Obama wants, its what most of Congress wants to. Last time I checked, the base salary of congress critters was $174,000 before perks, which is easily in the top 5% of income. Someone said it best in another post, the middle and lower classes are no longer represented by their peers in government. This is a class war, and the rich are winning.
Thank you, Jane, for being you.
I read that too. If so then Janes entire argument could be MOOT! The Problem is on the Senate side it could face a Rethuglican filibuster. Then as history has show the Senate will then fulfill Janes prophesy and extend the Bush Tax cuts. Based on past experience I wouldnt bet against Jane.
Recall TARP, phone calls flooding in many hundreds to one against it.
Here’s a source for that quote from Sen. Bennett.
I just talked to someone in the office of my useless rep, Pete Fortney Stark (CA 13th). She was very polite, but seemed as though she’d been hearing it all day.
I remember. But for myself, personally, I can’t let this go without doing something. I can’t afford to take time off work to protest in person. But I can call my local rep’s office, and Pelosi’s. We don’t all have the platform that Jane does, but we can do our part to aide her in this fight.
So let them filibuster. What’s the downside of just letting it just die?
I guess one has to assess the value of purely symbolic activism for themselves. Best of luck.
Must be strange working for a public official who so obviously is working against the interests of his constituents.
It’s like I’ve said all along – there’s no difference between the 2 parties. They’re just 2 sleasy whores having a cat fight, pulling each others hair as they fight for the chance to spread their legs for the same fat cat clients.
Outstanding post, Jane!
I’m in total agreement with you! The democratic party leadership is trying to fool their base and their voters. Unfortunately, very many members of the democratic base are willing to be fooled by the political theatrics of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. That’s one of the reasons why it is highly unlikely that this economic crisis will be resolved anytime soon.
He certainly has passed a threshold with me. That’s why I’m here at FDL. I’ve had an FDL account for a long time, but only since the midterms have I made any serious use of it. I could have accepted the midterm losses, even, and had been giving O the benefit of the doubt for the sake of solidarity, although my political views are far to the left of anything he has ever professed. But the repeated betrayals of the base since then have tipped me over the edge. An earlier TV appearance of Jane’s, in which she pointed out O’s penchant for governing years into the future while letting people’s lives go to hell in a handbasket in the present, reminded me that she has been the main critic of O from the left since 2008. Jane, you’ve scored a huge “I told you so.”
Since it’s relevant to this discussion of disenchantment with O, I’ll venture to repost my recent email to the White House:
Jane, can we make a concerted effort to reach out to Senator Bennet to provide him cover and safe-haven for his comment? It strikes me that the pressures he’s going to face are going to be to retract or qualify his statement, but he clearly has a deep frustration with the formality of it all, and we need to help him realize the country (and his constituents) need him to be the People’s whistleblower on the duplicity and pageantry of Congress. We need him to tell more of his story, more of the details of how he came to have that belief about the whole thing being rigged. We don’t need him to retreat from it.
We are way beyond the need for a party that is true to progressive values since Democrats are only too happy to ignore them.
If you can’t sack up on an issue that has a 98 to 2 advantage, then all is truly lost, and we shouldn’t waste anymore time with the Democratic party.
To continually express shock and outrage that Dems prefer the role of GOP-lite is like being mad that water is wet, and until the corrupt influence of money in politics is challenged, nothing, and I mean nothing is gonna change.
I know the argument is that third parties don’t really have a chance, and only take votes away from the Democratic standard bearer, but so what? I’d like to feel my vote really meant something & at least made a statement vs. the inevitable letdown that comes from voting for what turns out to be ‘bait & switch’ candidates.
I’m going to respectfully disagree here. Pelosi has done exactly what we have been screaming at the President to do. Make the Republicans work for what they get, and take all the cuts necessary in the process. This is not a vote that is going to hurt her members – unlike health care. Their constituents do want ‘middle class tax cuts’ but want the rich to get exactly the same thing they do and pay for their excess income. Pelosi has found a way to do this that makes it a straight majority vote. And Reid could do the same.
So the real kabuki will be how Reid avoids doing that. The real lack of leadership is that in the meeting without aides. Obama didn’t look McConnell and Boehner in the eye and say you want your tax cuts here is what you get. Permanent middle class cuts, a one year extension of the top rates. Here is what I get – an extension of unemployment benefits in the same one tax cut extension paid in the exact manner that your tax cut is paid for and for the same exact period, Start, the Dream Act, and DADT repeal. Everything is on my desk a done deal before the extension is signed into law. Without the rest it doesn’t get signed. So unless you can overcome a presidential veto, you are done here. Oh, and I’m ready to veto most of your pet projects so feel free to obstruct because right now we aren’t doing anything for the people anyway and you’ve left me nothing left to lose. You want something be prepared to come to the table with something we want. The word should have gone out to Democrats and their pundits to point out the difference between personal and business income tax. The tax cuts for the rich should be called EXTRA CUTS and hog every microphone in town. (And every recalcitrant Dem should have it pointed out to them that committee assignments, not to mention campaign funding is on the line.)
Pelosi is not the problem here. She is and has gotten it done. The two men in the picture haven’t and calling her out is just wrong. Obama wimped out. Even with a rather good strategic move by Pelosi at his back, he still wimped out.
So I agree about leadership. I just think you hit the person actually leading the hardest (because her strategy could work) and let the others off far too easily (you know, the one’s with little or not strategy).
Heh.
There were at least 3 of us here, who as soon as we saw who O appointed as his economics team, knew the gig was up. Predated Krugman’s disillusionment by a year or two. Here’s Krugman’s post-facto explanation.
Even my republican friends (the sane ones) want to know what happened to basic fairness.
Thanks for this, jane. en fuego.
You know, a large volume of calls to Sen. Bennett’s office, voicing support for his statement, might bolster his confidence…
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.
I liked your plea, Jane but I am not at all optimistic about getting anything. I am now given up on our President. I think he cares not at all what happens to people and the tax thing is just a game. If he showed leadership, heck knows maybe he could extract something from those assholes. But he doesn’t show ANY.
I lately begin to think that there is nothing of any great value for the middle class that we can get from this President, and it is time to try and achieve some results in other ways. I’m not sure how to do it, but it is instructive that the republicans can achieve so much with one word: NO. We have to get more strategic. Maybe we need another party to block what either of these two want and find a way to negotiate a crum or two. I don’t know. I feel like the democrats have abandoned us and their heritage. Bum day.
It was obvious when he first appointed Rahm soon followed by Geithner and Summers. Didn’t need to be living inside the rarefied air of the Beltway bubble to know which way the wind was blowing.
The vote, as I get it, is just symbolic. They need two thirds to pass it and they can’t get that for ice cream treats. Why bother?
Oh, and welcome to the lake. The water’s usually fine, but seems a bit stormy today. People respond to disappointment, frustration, adversity, and worse, with the whole gamut of human emotions, so that is to be expected.
Did you see my reply on the torture thread ?
It ain’t me, I was there though.
We have to be willing to fight — and lose — the third party battle in the short term in order to eventually win in the long term. Reforming the Dem party from inside is a hopeless case.
It’s my understanding the Senate cannot pass an extension for the wealthy, because it must originate in the House. So if the House doesn’t include a wealthy tax cut, there won’t be one.
Yep.
There were plenty of signs even earlier. But the most obvious ones, even for peeps who weren’t watching closely, were the post-election, pre-inauguration appointments.
There was also Judd Gregg…
Forgot about Judd Gregg. Obama’s first attempt at transforming himself into a doormat.
And if you want a complete & up-to-date list, here’s Hugh’s accounting, at 200 a month ago.
good point — Let it DIE !!
It should be apparent to everybody by now that B.O. has neither the character or the competence to be President. I find it very easy to believe that he promised Wall Street that if elected, he would betray the democratic base to such an extent that they would never be a problem again. Whether that promise was explicitly stated or merely “understood” is unimportant. Although I was one of the many millions of volunteers whose efforts succeeding in electing our first black President, I now support his removal from office by whatever legal means, including impeachment. I think we could “persuade” B.O. to resign quietly w/ just 290 House votes, roughly 67% of the House, and w/o a vote in the Senate: Simply state in the impeachment resolution that “no federal funds shall be spent on Secret Service protection for any Federal officer who is removed from office through the process of impeachment.” If he resigns quietly, with his tail between his legs, he’ll keep SS protection and our mission will be accomplished. If he decides to take his chances in the Senate, he risks having to live like Salman Rushdie. That would make one hell of a movie, wouldn’t it?
I don’t know if I’m being counted in that handful, but I’d like to note that I should be. My very first diary at FDL was regarding Obama willfully, and stupidly, committing us to our own lost-decade.
A few weeks ago, I would have disagreed. Now I am starting to think our only hope is to form a strong enough third party to block what the other assholes want and try to negotiate what we want. At a minimum we need our own funding vehicle and we need to fund only those candidates who vocally support what we want. I’ve already told my dem people last time they called to stop calling. I have nothing for them anymore.
Boy That would be great, wouldn’t it! If only the Dems has the Gonads to pass in the Senate!
Jane –
Reposting here as on the MyFDL thread: you need to set up a system of advance email notices when you’re going to appear on certain shows. I won’t watch Fox or LoDo unless I know someone like you or Glenzilla is going to be on.
He’ll just move to Kenya.
I know there were plenty of others (which is why I said at least 3); I just don’t remember who. I remember we three because we were so stubborn about giving O supporters a hard time, esp. on his neoliberal economics, my area of expertise.
Yes, FDL was different from other lefty blogs from the beginning of the O administration. So thanks for being there.
Of course, Jane deserves full credit for also being there & providing a place where the early dissenters could feel safe and were not ostracized.
That’s an average of one every two days. Now that’s productive./s
OBAMA IS ABOUT TO BE….OR ALREADY IS UNELECTABLE….EXTENDING TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH WILL COST HIM THE SUPPORT OF EVERY LIBERAL, PROGRESSIVE AND WORKING CLASS DEMOCRAT I KNOW….INCLUDING ME
Based on his pro-establishment behavior and leadership ineffectiveness, why would anyone “logically” believe working class Democrats, liberals, progressives, young voters, the LGBT community or left-leaning independents would vote for Obama in 2012? If any of these voting blocs stay home or cast a protest vote against Obama, he won’t get reelected.
What’s Obama going to do to recapture the hearts of the Democrats he’s disaffected? Cave in to corporate Republicans by extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich? Make cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? Pander to religious fundamentalists and teabaggers? Send more troops to Iraq or Afghanistan? Take more luxurious family vacations, while more Americans are uninsured, unemployed and or forced into homelessness? Is he going to bomb Iran or North Korea?
Based on his 60 Minutes interview after the midterms, Obama doesn’t seem to understand how deeply his predilection for appeasement politics has alienated Democratic believers. He sometimes gives the impression he thinks Democrats WANT him to compromise with Republicans, when the OPPOSITE is true.
Apparently, the Obama White House believes loyalty is a one-way street. However, liberals and progressives believe it is a two-way street. Can anyone tell me what Obama WILL DO to demonstrate his loyalty to disillusioned liberals and progressives? Because if he doesn’t, he will be bringing down the Democratic Party with him in 2012!
Actually, his vote on FISA said it all to me…
Great comment I share your feelings.
… where he would be exposed to war crimes prosecutions. Remember, these guys have real blood on their hands, and would be at great risk outside the U.S. borders.
Can you picture Cheney serving time in a Nigerian prison???
See. I keep arguing that O has plenty of backbone. He just uses it to make sure the wrong policies are followed.
I’m not a prayerful person, but that may be the only way to turn this guy around, you know a miracle of sorts.
Me too, but I can understand why others would need more evidence, which is why I focus on his appointments, which were widely dismissed by supporters as ‘eleventy mention chess’ and ‘give him a chance.’
Obama doesn’t care about “Democrats”. His bipartisanship fetish is nothing more than a smoke screen directed at the “independents” providing him cover to govern as a corporatist.
BTW, this is a forecasting victory lap I would have liked to avoid. Would much have preferred to eat crow.
An Arthur Silber Classic
Stupider than Shit
More of the awesome rant
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2008/09/stupider-than-shit.html
Jane: I happened to catch you on the DR show yesterday afternoon. Couple things:
DR needs to be less verbose and let his guests (you, in particular) be more expansive in your remarks.
At the end of the segment, you asserted that the failure of Congress to renew/extend unemployment benefits was “deeply immoral.” You were correct, obviously, but I was still quite moved by the remark.
I, for one, think the continuing transfer of wealth upwise needs to be frequently and publicly articulated in moral terms. The people pulling the levers of power are corrupt and immoral, and that fact needs to be repeatly emphasized, no matter the venue.
Thank you for showing that kind courage. It’s truly impressive.
Thanks for reminding me of Arthur Silber. Haven’t read him in years. He always caught on early to the real game and has a wonderful way of expressing himself.
FISA was the moment O told us who he was. I chose not to believe him until he appointed Rahm. At that point, I turned anti-O.
Oh yes….& remember what was the talking point at that time…..”when he becomes Prez he will fix it,put it back like it was before.”
Jane, I love everything you do, and I have been sending in support when I could. And I loved today’s video clips of your MSNBC appearance last night. But we just have to fix this post. As others pointed out early in this thread, @8, @37, @46, Pelosi is not going to push a doomed strategy, she is not using a procedure that requires 290 votes. Our own DDay pointed this out at 10:30 am (PDT) and previously at around 7:30 am (PDT), linking to David Waldman’s very precise report some time between 6 am (PDT) and 7:30 am (PDT). So our headline is just wrong as it applies to Pelosi, unless you want to accuse Pelosi of deliberately taking a dive by passing a bill through the House that, like several score she passed in the past two years, will just languish in the Senate. Also, what Pelosi is doing is not just “theater” if it forces the Senate to take an up-or-down vote on extending only middle class tax cuts.
For Krugman, I think the keys lie in two remarks of yours:
And:
If you want to be able to think rationally about powerful people, you have to be willing to offend them on a regular basis (or hide your real thoughts completely from them), and to think of them as monsters even when they’re personally pleasant to you. I don’t think Krugman is a poor judge of character in any other way, but the above is quite enough to explain why he was so wrong about people like Geithner and Summers.
I’m not an economist and haven’t been familiar in the past with any of Obama’s economic team, so I didn’t know what their appointments portended. I was alarmed by Biden’s remarks in the vice-presidential debate about how we must always assume that our opponents are merely clueless, and must never think of them as evil – not even tobacco-company fluffer Jesse Helms. The Senate has a remarkable capability for corrupting even the best people. I was chilled when I read that Paul Wellstone, before his death, had come to think of Jesse Helms as a friend. I hope Jane is capable of keeping clearly in mind what Grover Norquist really is, no matter how often she has to work with him, and no matter how personable he may be.
D-Day on the Fed Audit up above.
Yea he’s great (but the gray background on his blog makes it hard to read sometimes). I usually get reminded of him by Chris Floyd (another great read) who links to him all the time
You and me both!
Your understanding is wrong. It has been put inside a bill already passed by the House which was then changed and passed by the Senate and returned to the House. It has not been recommitted. It can be passed by majority.
Can you believe Nigeria is more a rule of law country than the USA??
The U.S. doesn’t believe in the “rule of law” for plutocrats, only the “little people.” Can you say Banana Republic?
I’m not worried about Jane.
Agree with you about the siren song of power though, so always try to withhold some judgment on my idols, many of whom have developed feet of clay.
Off again to yet another house project to kibbutz.
It has to be someone stupid and pliable, no change from the last 5 guys.
Thanks, Jane. Saw you on Washington Journal recently. You were great. On today’s WJ, Rep Becerra was on. He showed a couple charts that were dramatic. One showed the impact on the deficit over many years of the wars, Bush tax cuts, and stimulus. The other chart showed what a dramatically greater payoff people over $1M get from the tax cuts than even people at $250K-$1M.
Millions of Americans do get it. They asked people to call in to give their opinion on the debt commission’s report. I may have heard one caller who liked the commission. Not even sure about him. Everyone, GOP and Dem and Ind, was pissed. The message was – enough of putting everything on the backs of the middle and lower classes.
I agree that Obama must want to extend the tax cuts on all. Because there is clearly public backing for someone to say enough is enough…
Thank you Jane for “saying it like it is”.
My point @58 exactly, only with less words.
Hopeless indeed, and all this “call this person” or “fax that person” is, most respectfully, a waste of time.
Money and power is all that gets their attention.
We have a better chance of reforming the Republican party than reforming the current two-for-one parties.
Hear! Hear! Let the Republicans filibuster the tax bill in the Senate. Then it will die, and we’ll get tax sanity.
(I know then President Bipartisan will then issue orders to Reid’s office for an official cave).
stewartm
You mean who are they gonna give us to replace Obama? Come on. If anyone actually believes that at this point in the game with a bought and paid for SCOTUS, and a Justice Dept that declines to prosecute prima facie felonies by a sitting senator, not to mention war crimes by a former president, and a congress that won’t impeach the former president or the current one for that matter. Ya really think this is more than smoke and mirrors?
“They” know who’s gonna be fuhrer come 2012 and all the implementing laws are in place from the last fascist regime.
Doesn’t that say it all? Health care, mortgages, finances, jobs, and now taxes. Even when he supposedly does “deliver” it’s not help for people here and now. People still are losing their homes, they’re still dying for lack of access to healthcare, and the rich are still ripping off everyone else. Good thing he’s not an EMT or a firefighter, he’d never cut it.
And even with something like this tax matter, where his is really the only vote that matters, he can’t seem to bring himself to act without having some sort of love-dovey group hug first with the Republicans. Assuming he really wants to see the rich pay more.
stewartm
But the bill just passed 244-188, it didn’t need 290 votes.
Oops, 234-188. So was there theater or not? Now it’s on the Senate.
Well Jane, Pelosi just got the Tax bill for the middle class passed in the House. Now what? How will the Senate react. If they Kill this bill does the House have to pass a New bill? This changes the dynamic doesnt it. Some time Miracles do happen.
Once again, I offer up Crazy Horse@68:
Look no further than those Tea Party kooks. They have no less that Joe Scar pleading with the GOP to sack up and part company with them.
They are powerful (see Caribou Barbie) and they’re kooks!
Flaming nutbags!
Imagine what could happen if you re-energized
rightcorrect thinking people like 2008 did all over again.No, you wouldn’t have many electorial victories off the bat, but you can’t deny that the Tea Party right now has more say in the GOP agenda than progressives do on the left.
Great job, Jane. It’s nice to have someone on TV to inject the human element into our national discussion.
Z
“A return to first principles in a republic is sometimes caused by the simple virtues of one man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example.”
Niccolo Machiavelli
This was Ghandi’s basic strategy to gain India’s independence, this also required leadership. Kudos to Jane for mentioning the heart of the problem not only in our country but the world in general. A fundamental lack of real leadership. Obama was supposed to be the point man on this in the “New Progressive Era” but his total lack of leadership has caused the forces of avarice, hate and demagoguery to be emboldened. Why? “Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions.”
Reuters headline: House Passes Symbolic Tax-Cut Renewal
Paul Rosenberg of OpenLeft takes a more critical perspective of Schumer’s proposal:
http://www.openleft.com/diary/20996/who-wants-to-define-a-millionaire
stewartm
FDL has been one of the few websites in which those with a “liberal” point of view expressed great concern early on with appointments by the Obama administration, watered down bills, and general actions by the so-called Democratic politicians in Congress. I tried to repeatedly warn people with comments at HuffingtonPost about the watered down bills which would actually hurt “we the people” but was often accused of being a Republican, just give the Democrats time…they will “fix” the bill, and on the list goes. I know that Jane Hamsher was frequently attacked for her statements there for the past two years. I finally had to stop visiting the website because it felt like the partisan version of Drudge Report. Common sense on what was and is happening seemed to go out the door in favor of partisan politics.
People may finally be awakening to the fact that neither current political party represents the interests of 98% of the population. WE need to fight against the wealthy and powerful in this country who are destroying our constitutional rights and everything we have represented as a country that was good (whether in regards to humanity, the environment, or civil rights issues, etc.). It truly saddens me that our country was once looked upon as the arbiter of decency around the world and what we have now become thanks to decades of moral decay.
Did Reuters explain exactly why a bill which passed the House by a majority vote is only symbolic,NO. This symbolic bill will now have to go to the Senate and they will have to address this purley symbolic bill by voting for or against it or preventing it from a Vote with a Symbolic filabuster. And if by chance they pass this bill it will become a Symbolic Law.
Likewise.
Posters at the Huffington Post are abandoning President Origami in droves. The worm has turned.
Actually they did – by pointing out that the Rs have vowed to block the bill in the Senate. Which they will do until Obama finishes the dance by caving to the Rs and pushing for the passage of another “temporary extension of all levels” of the tax cuts and the claim will be that it was necessary to do so in order to get a temporary extension of Unemployment (for far less time than the tax cuts)
You may still believe that it is an eleventy dimension game of chess but it is not even close to that.
DON’T LEAVE US 99ER’S BEHIND!!!!!
I know I was yelling, I am in a panic!
Could Jane’s clip be cast as a 30 sec commercial and broadcast mainstream? There is probably no funding at this time for material like that, but there could be in the future. The FDL community has raised substantial amounts before, and it could do so again. And, be sure to prominently display the URL throughout the full 30 sec.
Jane Hamsher for President!
Smarts, courage, and compassion.
The three things we didn’t get with Barack Obama.
I bet Norman Mailer would be delighted if we grabbed his old campaign slogan when he ran for mayor of New York:
“No more bullshit!”
At this point, tearing Obama and the “leadership” a new asshole is God’s work.
Let us all get to it. :o)
As of 12/2/10, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 310,834,451 U.S. citizens.
2% of the U.S. wealthiest and most powerful citizens = 6,216,289 citizens
98% of the remaining population is:
304,618,162 citizens
So, maybe it is time for the 304 MILLION people to stand up against the 6 million oppressors (keeping in mind that SOME of the wealthy in that group actually agree that what is happening to the majority of citizens is wrong). Even if I disagree with the members of the “tea party” about government and its role, the one thing we can agree on is that “we the people” are being screwed.
I’m down with that.
On today’s episode of “The Game Is Rigged”. The Federal Reserve is wooing all the Foreign banks such as in Canada with flowers and candy and trillions of dollars. Timmy Geithner told the Americans, I am not that into you anymore. I have a new sweetie. Her name is World Trade Organization.
I’m glad you’re finally seeing the light.
And the only way to win a rigged game is to stop playing and make a new game.
Thank you, Jane. I have spent the past year helping foreclosed families find rental housing. Now, some of those families are one unemployment check from eviction.
I must say I came here to this site originally a few months ago replacing my old hangout on another site because I no longer could stand to listen to any Obama/Dem appoligists. The time had come. And certainly the time has come when playing the game that is rigged is for fools.
All of these political sites in the end achieve nothing when we have no representation. Until we have a voice and there is real action in this country, this is all just a load of wankery-some of it damn insightful and satisfying-but still nothing but lots of stroking the choir. None of these thousands of words achieves squat. None of the move on, media matters, Rachel Maddows or Jane Hamsher’s of the world achieve anything. Unless we move away from the political process as we have been forced into it.
Let’s just state the simple truth-voting is not the answer. We are watching a nice show-by the powers that be-and damn it-wasn’t that Obama worthy of an Oscar or a Bafta? So believable.
We have to figure out what we have they want, and deny the powers that be that thing. Maybe we can move on from there. But we can’t reward them with votes, money and BELIEF-Change you can believe in-anybody? anymore. It’s much too sickening to be that fool.
obama needs to man up. Hold rallies in maine and massachussetts, put the pressure on snowe, collins, and scott brown. At least put up a damn fight. Leadership is not about cutting deals behind closed doors, its about putting on the boxing gloves and fighting for the people who matter. We have 9.6% unemployment and a collapsing middle class, and we have a catfood commission telling us to work until we are 70… is this is a joke. Demiocrats need to show some leadership and stand for something…in case they did not notice the corporatist blue-dogs were wiped out in this election. Standing for nothing does not win you elections. Obama needs to man up!!!
Spot on. What I (as a lurking and occasionally commenting Tea Partier) can’t understand is why, if you all know how corrupt and inefficient and greedy (in terms of both financial gain and power) the federal government is . . . why do you want it to solve all our problems? Why do you want it to become still more bloated, take still more of our money, “manage” still more of our lives? Government doesn’t solve a darned thing–no matter who’s “in charge.” Government has gotten bigger, money is pouring in (and being printed), more and more bureaucracies are established with more and more power and our money, and to what avail? Have the welfare rolls shrunk? Nope. Has education improved? Nope. What has happened instead is that our K-12 education is all but a joke and the welfare rolls are bulging at the seams as more and more middle class people are forced out of the middle class. Government just gets bigger and bigger, and less and less concerned about real Americans. I simply don’t get how you can all see this but still insist that government is the answer. I’m not being facetious; I really don’t understand the logic in this.
Jane, thanks a lot for the article and I was guessing the same based on logical reasoning till I saw the proof of Sen. Bennett comments.
Looks like $30,000 a plate dinner whips up a tasty & yummy meal that one forgets the responsibility to the other 99% who put them in the office.
99% got Individual mandates for AHIP & Pharma without any representation with Premiums increasing every year. Even in a down year when Federal wages were freezed but AHIP & Pharma got their christmas wish on post-poning medicare cuts. Call this Individual mandate a new taxation without representation for AHIP & Pharma for 99%. Only top 1% will be able to afford the premiums with this trend soon enough.
But with Government only way we can fix is not by standing out, by participating and letting the people know removing the veil which MSM puts which I realized only during HCR brouhaha which lot of people are realizing now. Lies hold only good for some time and only truth prevails in the long term. History shows this self-evident fact to be true again and again.
endtimesgal, yes, absolutely, all these posts (here and on other sites) are a great way to let off steam, but we’re achieving nothing. We can be sure nobody in the Whte House reads this site and tells O: ‘We’re losing it, buster!’
Very few of us have anything concrete to offer and, even when we do: throw away credit cards, move your money to a credit union, get involved with local groups to farm, swap etc, it doesn’t get off the ground much.
I look at what people in Detroit have accomplished and wonder how desperate we have to be to actuallay DO something.