Nancy Pelosi dug her heels in last night and told her caucus that the President wants no extension of the Bush tax cuts beyond the $250,000 threshold. She’s also signaled that she’ll put it up for a vote on the suspension calendar, which means Republicans can’t make amendments or the motion to recommit. But it also means she’ll have to get 290 votes in order to pass it, and there’s no way she can bring enough Republicans on board to do that.
So it’s a purely symbolic vote that will fail. But she’s asking members to take it anyway, because she says that’s what the President wants.
Well if that’s what the President wants, then maybe he should stop sending mixed messages on the subject. Because he has said repeatedly he is “open” to extending all the Bush tax cuts, making the distinction that he’ll only do it temporarily.
Moreover, the Senate has already pretty much decided that they can’t pass the tax cuts at the $250,000 threshold, according to Sam Stein in yesterday in the Huffington Post. So they too will hold a “symbolic” vote, and then get down to dealing:
“A lot of people want to have that contrast vote, to make it clear what we stand for,” said one Senior Democratic aide. “So we take that middle-class vote first, then we look to a compromise and see what’s in the grab bag.”
What’s in the grab bag could end up being the key towards passage. Democrats may be willing to give in to Republican demands that the rates for the wealthy be extended (at least temporarily) but not without getting some legislative goodies in return. On Sunday, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) iterated a deal that has long been discussed in private — in exchange for giving in on the upper rates, Republicans would drop opposition to prolonging emergency unemployment benefits and other tax credits.
“Make it clear what we stand for.” Well if the President was out in front of this, making the case for only extending the tax cuts for the middle class by using the bully pulpit, that would be one thing.
But he’s not. So what this amounts to is a sop for the base, a kabuki effort that nobody in the press will take seriously. But they’ll be able to make the argument that they “tried.”
It’s hard to see how setting up a situation where you depend on Republican support for something they have absolutely no problem voting against is considered “fighting” for what you believe in. Hell, most of the ConservaDems won’t even get on board. The Republicans know it, and they’re already working it in the press:
GOP: Dems setting up tax vote failure
House Republicans said they were disturbed that Democrats might try to pass a portion of the Bush tax cuts under a House procedure that requires a two-thirds vote for passage – a move that would likely set up the tax vote for failure.
Looks like we’re going to party like it’s 2006 again.
What would a real fight look like? Well, rather than watch Dick Durbin give up on all the tax cuts in exchange for extending unemployment insurance, figure out what you actually can get support for and put up a bill that would be tough for Republicans to actually oppose. Chuck Schumer’s idea to raise the threshold to a million dollars appears to have support, per Sam Stein:
There is no bag of bargained goodies let alone talks to begin putting together such a package for the purposes of getting a tax cut deal done. The more advanced negotiations, indeed, have centered on the idea of raising the threshold of who would see a tax increase should rates expire. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) in particular has argued that the party should change the baseline for income that would be taxed from $250,000 to $1 million dollars. He was joined, in a little-noticed comment over Thanksgiving, by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), a notable centrist vote who previously said he wouldn’t back any tax increase.
According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, extending all the Bush tax cuts beyond the $250,000 threshold would cost $38 billion in the first year. Of that $38 billion, $32.7 billion would go to those making over $1 million per year. Which means Schumer’s plan, if successful, would still keep the bulk of those cuts from expiring, and the burden would be on those making more than $1 million per year — which, as the JCT report notes, applies to only 315,000 families in the country.
Durbin is right to try and attach an extension of unemployment benefits. There are 800,000 people whose benefits ran out in November, and 2 million will expire in December. That actually makes a really clear distinction between what the Republicans want and what the Democrats want — if the Republicans hold out for 315,000 families making over $1 million a year, it’s clear that they will be choosing them over 2.8 million unemployed.
I don’t know if even that could pass, but according to Sam Stein’s article, nobody has tried to figure out what they can get through with a month to go. Instead, they’re trying to eat up the clock with meaningless votes that make Bernie Sanders happy, which also keeps them from having to take up everything else they’ve promised to vote on during the lame duck session — including DADT and the DREAM Act.
Moreover, Pelosi’s kabuki is forcing members of the caucus to take a “loyalty” vote that will be used against them in the next election by Republican opponents. They’ll be painted as people who voted to raise taxes on those making more than $200,000 per year (families making $250,000). That’s prime donor territory for most candidates. And for what? For a bill that simply guarantees the Republicans get the chance to pass all the tax cuts in the new year…and take all the credit for doing so.
There are people hurting out there. They need help — or as much help as Congress can muster in its final days of the session. Yet the House caucus is consumed with whether or not to censure Charlie Rangel.
Really?
Nancy Pelosi forced her caucus to walk the plank over Cap and Trade. She forced them to walk the plank again over health care — lying to them and telling them their poll numbers would go up once the health care bill passed (which she and her Deputy, Chris Van Hollen, knew from internal polling was not true).
What happened to this Nancy Pelosi, from December 2009?
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has privately told her politically vulnerable Democratic members that they will not vote on controversial bills in 2010 unless the Senate acts first.
If there’s going to be a true fight for the expiration of the tax cuts, it should start at the top, with the generals. But even as the halls of the House office buildings fill up with moving boxes and 63 Democrats prepare to head home, Pelosi is once again targeting her caucus members and firing on them, forcing them onto the battle field in a futile fight they can’t possibly hope to win.
I guess we’re going for Paths of Glory III.
Meanwhile, 2 million people slip off the rolls of the official “unemployed” into that murky territory of those who have “stopped looking for jobs” — as far as government statisticians are concerned, anyway.
This isn’t leadership. It’s complete abdication of any sense of responsibility toward those you are elected to serve. Now is not the time for political theater. It’s time to get in there, roll up your sleeves and get the best deal you can to help the greatest number of people. Time to play serious hard politics, not put on some cheap performance before you exit stage left.
Well, maybe that’s what everyone really wants — an extension of all the Bush tax cuts. They could hardly do a better job of teeing the Republicans up if they tried. Pelosi is orchestrating a guaranteed failure that leaves the GOP free to do whatever they want come January.
What a horrible, horrible coda to the tenure of the first woman Speaker of the House that would be. But that’s where we’re headed.




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I read this as Obama wanting a guaranteed failed vote on the middle-class cuts, so he’s “forced” to compromise to extend all of the Bush tax cuts. Which, no doubt, is what Obama’s team of idiotic economic advisors have been pushing for all along. He’ll be able to say, “we tried, but we have to find common ground.” Even though the White House hasn’t tried to do anything for the middle and working class.
That’s pretty much how I read it too. But it’s Pelosi’s complicity in it that’s questionable.
I take that back. The only “questionable” thing is the fact that she keeps forcing the caucus to walk the plank, and they keep voting her back into leadership.
It’s a rare thing but on this one Jane I must respectfully disagree with you. It is not meaningless in my view for Pelosi to illustrate to the American electorate in very simply and stark terms that the Republican House will vote against a straight up-or-down vote for extending tax cuts to just those earning less than $250K.
Call me childish, but I think it has been disastrous politics for Obama to refuse to let any proposition come up for a vote that has the slightest chance of failing. There should be more of these votes on simple stripped-down propositions to clear some of the smoke allowing too many Americans to believe that Republicans are acting in their interests. I concede many of them would be Kabuki–the Democrats are almost as guilty of protecting the status quo plutocracy as the Republicans. But as long as the Republicans act irresponsibly without check, the Democrats will get away with shilling for the corporations.
I believe the proposition that Republicans will strike a deal that “helps the greatest number of people” is wishful thinking, belied more times than I can count. They simply aren’t going to give Obama that kind of victory, because thus far refusing deals that “help the greatest number of people” has proven to be good politics for them.
What is a conservative Democrat? We don’t need any conservatives in the Democratic party!
Jane,
With so few blue dogs left, is it really making them walk the plank? Do you think that the vote will be unpopular in the blue dog districts? Are the Republicans so good at spin that they will be able to use this vote against the blue dogs in 2012, or are the Democrats that bad? Silly question I guess.
I still think that nearly the entire press is fooled into believing that the democratic leadership really is on the side of the working class. I keep reading all the time on other liberal blogs how the republicans are doing this and that, while not in power.
Also, I think your animus toward Pelosi is causing you to take the Paths of Glory metaphor too far. I agreed with you on I and II, but read this again:
Again, color me naive. But if it’s true that all those making over $250K will vote against representatives who vote for limiting the AGI receiving the tax cut to $250K, if it’s really that simple, then we’re beyond redemption. Our fate is sealed. I choose to, I want to, believe that not all filthy rich Americans are so callous as to want to destroy the American middle class; that a large fraction of them are saavy enough to better understand their own enlightened self-interest.
They take those votes in the House all the time. The House has passed a tons of stuff that the Senate wouldn’t touch. And that’s why Pelosi told her members in vulnerable districts she wouldn’t force them to do it again — in 2009.
So peole think a symbolic vote on this is a good use of time? Well, if the DREAM Act and DADT don’t come up for a vote because of this piece of political theater, then I hope they’ll be prepared to defend that choice — especially when Boehner gets everything he wants anyway.
Meanwhile, violence broke out in the Kentucky unemployment office:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/tempers-flare-at-kentucky_n_789492.html
I frankly don’t think they give a shit about efforts to “strip away smoke screens” with regard to one political party over another. What they care about is that their lives get better, and neither party is making that happen.
I frankly don’t care about the Blue Dogs, so what they think is not an issue for me.
This will get used against every Democrat. Whether it’s effective or not has to do with the composition of the district (Democrat vs. Republican constituencies). With Republicans set to pick up over 10 seats because their November victories leave them in control of even more redistricting, there’s no guarantee who that will be.
I don’t have any animus towards Pelosi, and have supported her efforts many times.
PS if it was a real fight, there’s victory even in defeat, I’ll totally grant you that. But this isn’t a real fight.
We’re back to “cots in the Senate” like we were in 2007. A show that’s put on for the benefit of the base, rather than a REAL fight.
Please, please don’t kick the football. Or we’ll be back in that mode for another 2 years.
With respect to results, I agree with you that “neither party is making that happen”.
We disagree on the political tactics. Most voters can’t tell you what the DREAM act is, most voters will not vote one way or another based on DADT positions, and most voters can’t name 3 bills voted on by Congress in the past year. The 99% vs. the 1% tax cut issue is clean, simple, and almost impossible for even busy, ill/uninformed voters who potentially will swing to miss.
Many 99% Republicans, i.e., the ones who are not benefiting from the feed-the-rich policies, actually believe Republicans act more in their economic interest than do the Democrats/progressives/liberals/left. Of course they are wrong, but try convincing them.
I know I sound elitest. But most Americans simply do not follow this stuff. They don’t have time. They’re working to provide for their families in vocations that are totally unrelated to beltway play-by-play. And they’re incredibly ill-served by a media that is now totally driven by ratings in a race to the bottom.
I agree Obama doesn’t fight. I almost forgot.
Obama must be primaried. Who will do it? What are they doing now? How can I help?
PS. I still am very thankful for everything you and Glennzilla do to remind me I’m not insane. Keep up the fight knowing you’ve got some pretty adamant supporters out here.
The woman showed no leadership or love of country when she amended impeachment, an investigation in the house, out of our constitution.
To expect these democrats to do the right thing in their last month of control is absurd in the extreme and means you haven’t been paying attention.
And expecting obama to act as the people’s president is the same absurdity.
I agree with you bobash. I wait to again be proven wrong; but I am hoping that Nancy Pelosi being rid of many many of the Blue Dogs, and even marginal chance of victory, can now actually form a caucus more empowered to stand firm on principle.
She has as Jane indicates too often been the “good” Democrat loyal to her President, no matter how far afield he goes in opposition to what is right for the people. We will see if she feels less beholden to him now.
I agree with you that it is shameful for any legislation to go forward BEFORE taking care of the needs of the unemployed and also those who are not even eligible for unemployment. Let the tax cuts expire for everyone. Let everyone live on cream of celery soup and potatoes for a while. Let them feel what the cast offs feel for once, the bunch of spoiled rich kids/brats in Congress deserve no better than they are dishing out for the least of us.
Anything that Zero and Pelosi agree to is almost by definition a disaster.
I take it you don’t work for the millionaire monsters in their homes like I do.
What you describe as an unthinkable attitude is exactly the attitude they display.
Do you really think for a New York minute it was Nancy Pelosi who took impeachment off the table. That came straight from Obama and “lets not seek out US war criminals and look forward. instead.”
Wait until she brings up the Catfood Commission’s recommendations, as she said she’d do, the two-faced ____. You can bet she won’t have to go scrounging for votes then.
the Senate tried that one already
and of course, it worked out so well on 11/2/10
Given that we’re going to get a Kabuki Compromise (one side giving up everything it says it wants in return for nothing while the other side gets most of what it wants as it attacks the largely corporate-friendly and/or corporate-written pos by calling it socialist etc), Schumer’s idea seems best: change the baseline for income that would be taxed from $250,000 to $1 million.
I’m sorry to hear that Pelosi wants to force a vote on something she can’t win.
Meanwhile, we all know how this will play out: all of the Bush tax cuts will be extended and unemployment benefits will be severely cut.
She was elevated to speaker in Jan. 2007, before Obama began running for pres.
Pelosi’s abandoning of her consitutional obligation to investigate the high crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush Administration incurred a curse on the nation as deadly as Ford’s pardoning of Nixon.
It has been so long since we had liberals genuinely interested in service to the people and the welfare of the nation we likely will not recognize one should he/she appear. We are gong to have to rebuild from the first brick up such group..
Come early January Nancy Pelosi and the House Dems will be irrelevant. With the remaining Blue Dogs and New Democrats probably voting with the Rethugs more than they do with the Dems, all the Dem caucus will be able to do is make noise on the boob tube, if any of the airhead shows will have them on.
And giving W a free pass with her “no impeachment” remark was her first order of business.
Jane, thank for documenting this.
My bad. I “misrememberd.” I do still believe that was done in the interest of party politics and not from principle. She can be criticized for that but I see Obama’s corruption as more profound.
Jane?
Why did you say “…meaningless votes that make Bernie Sanders happy…?”
Sanders is in the Senate not the House. Sanders is an ally. Sanders is not unrealistic idealist who won’t compromise to get something pragmatically good.
So what was that about?
Remember that I write this as a big supporter of you. I really didn’t understand why you said that and want to know.
OR, maybe it is Obama’s intention to raise taxes on everyone and blame it on the Republicans for refusing to allow the current rate for the middle class to pass and insisting on “tax cuts for the rich.” There is no way the Republicans in the next Congress can re-institute the Bush tax rate once the cuts expire. Even if they get the Senate to go along, Obama can still veto it.
In all fairness, that was on her own initiative in 2006, before Obama was in office:
http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2006/11/08/cq_1916.html
Bernie Sanders is the one pitching a fit in the Senate for a vote on the $250,000.
There is a whole section in the post on what the Senate is going to do, and Bernie is their excuse for doing it. Which amounts to eating up the clock, yadda yadda….
But he won’t.
Well, that’s just it. If Obama was backstopping the Dems with the threat of a veto, it would be one thing to ask this of them.
But he’s not. He’ll sign whatever comes to his desk, saying (as he has been) “the most important thing is to get tax cuts to middle class people.”
Section 2, Article 4 says nothing about in the interest of party politics.
I used to think that Capitol Hill Democrats (and Obama is an alumnus of that group) were the Washington Generals of politics. Now I believe they’re the 1919 Black Sox.
No, Obama’s Chicago school of economics team definitely wants to keep tax cuts. I’m hoping they bumble their way into failing any tax cut extension from happening, none of it is good economic policy. Any cut back in federal dollars translates into higher state taxes, or higher property taxes when a state also follows the madness of lower taxes.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jane Hamsher and the disabled American FDLers:
Anyone up for a little local organizin’? Between now and March of next year if we ken get cadres in every district and county Democratic caucus and get ahold of the voter lists from 2010 for those political subdivisions, we could get anti-war and jobs resolutions and representatives to the state state conventions and maybe even make enough noise that Howard Dean will be placed back in the saddle at the DNC.
Anyone who thinks that a third party opposition can sprout up from outside the Democratic Party base is nuts and an anti-war insurgency inside the party could set the stage to get Obama to retire or make the Democratic Party convention in 2012 a real humdinger. Let’s party like it’s 1968 all over again without Hubert Humphrey…we can get it right this time.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, TIME TO STAND UP SUNSHINE PATRIOTS!!
The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce, and the third time as a primary challenge.
There is truly nothing to lose.
Yup. One of the things that struck me about Obama when he announced he was running was his constant use of the term “middle class.” Rarely did he refer to the working class. In the name of the middle class he’ll turn the government over to the corporations.
Well, if the Democrats don’t want me to vote for them that badly, then I won’t.
Pelosi took impeachment off the table, but Obama went out of his way to take investigations or prosecutions of criminals and their actitives off the table.
Pelosi did what she did because impeachment would have looked silly going into the 2008 election cycle. She saw the Republicans were going down and smartly stepped out of the way.
But Obama in 2009 and 2010 was in a different place. At a minimum, investigations were more than warranted.
Workin’ on that very thing here, Norske. Did you see my reply to you the other day?
I’m not sure I follow. Do you agree or disagree with me that there should be a straight vote on extending just the middle-class tax cuts? The Democrats wimped out before the election–as your link records–and many progressives stayed home, unable to hold their nose and vote for the non-fighters. If what you are saying is that the Democrats should have held the vote before the election, then of course I agree with you. But you do have to remember we’re talking corporatist Democrats here.
Back to work.
Namaste
“Anyone who thinks that a third party opposition can sprout up from outside the Democratic Party base is nuts…”
I dunno. It’s increasingly seeming like trying to reform or “take back” the Democtatic party in Washington, in this post DLC America, is not possible.
Well, if the Democrats don’t want me to vote for them that badly, then I won’t.
Actually, they do want you to vote for them, but strictly on their terms. In other words, they’ll continue to move to the right and, 18 months from now, try to bully you by saying, “Look over there–it’s Sarah Palin!”
I was not defending or representing all of them, just saying that there must be *some* who like to venture out of their gated communities from time to time and fear pitchforks.
Citizen LibWing:
Don’t waste your breath, folks around here are playin scorched earth with ALL elected Democrats in order to carve out space for what they think will be a third party opening in 2012. There are folks around here who have gone after Al Franken for Christ’s sake and Finegold too and the list is too long to measure. There is a whole lotta shit that flies around here aimed at our own fuckin troops…don’t count on anyone around here at your back when the Jackboots come knockin’.
Many 99% Republicans, i.e., the ones who are not benefiting from the feed-the-rich policies, actually believe Republicans act more in their economic interest than do the Democrats/progressives/liberals/left.You know who acts more in MY interest??? I DO!! Yea, that’s right, I DO> It is called the “American Dream”. The freedom to be whatever I can be!!, sans, government intervention and control.
According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, extending all the Bush tax cuts beyond the $250,000 threshold would cost $38 billion in the first year.
How can it COST anything? It is not there..to cause COST, you must go from have to have not. It is not the governments money. It is the property of the individual. Calling this a loss is folly. That is what is wrong with this type of governmental thinking. Since when is my hard earned money someone else’s property? ie: the governments or my next door neighbors?
Either extend ALL of the tax rates, or let them ALL expire. I am disgusted with this class warfare. It is pathetic.
I have an idea: lets add a line for DONATION on the tax form.
Is She related to Rollo Tomasi ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khD54UNOSkQ
that or is it life “On the Waterfront”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeVq1e6JKlw
My goodness, look what they’ve done to my party.
Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama and Democrats want what they want. The DLC-controlled Democratic Party gives lip service to all populist issues (like civil rights protection s, restoring habeas corpus, ending the wars, public healthcare , Wall Street reform, environmen tal & energy issues, etc.).
If the Bush years taught us anything, it’s that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you’re stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics. It’s not that Bush and R0ve were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush & R0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politician s and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans — If you keep at it, escalate your attacks, don’t take ‘no’ for an answer and never back away, you will wear the opposition down.
Obama didn’t get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination ) and the oldest, most experience d politician s in US history (including the R0ve machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politician s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them and not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks ?
Obama and Democrats know how to do it — They don’t want to do it.
The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they’re merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to achieve our alleged shared objectives.
Getting Democratic voters (and Obama’s ‘most ardent supporters ‘) to understand that Democratic politician s have been taking us all for suckers and patsies is the most immediate problem and the challenge.
I am rather of the opinion that the best thing that Obama could do is to show that he’s willing to let ALL the Bush tax cuts expire. He doesn’t need a single vote to end them or to convince anyone for this to happen, they will end of their own accord with no action. Obama’s really in a position of strength if he knows how to use it. (Which he doesn’t).
As for unemployment insurance (and I have friends depending on it)—sad to say, I believe that the results of Nov. 2nd leave them screwed anyway. The best way to address this need is to treat it as a separate issue, if the Dems are willing to grow some spine and show for once that they’re really for the little guy. Back-burner the tax cuts and focus instead on passing a bill extending them for 2 years in the current lame-duck Congress–which they could do, technically, if they were willing to play hardball with it.
I believe that if Obama and the Dems did that, the Republicans would become desperate to make a deal, any deal, and practically would give away the shop for even a temporary extension of the upper rates (because that’s the only thing their real base cares about). But if not, if no deal happens, it’s still far better for the country to let all the tax cuts end. All the rich understand is a hit in the pocketbook, and that hit is long overdue. Moreover, the more money they pay in taxes the less they’ll have for say, political contributions, another positive result.
stewartm
It is the proliferation of this sort of ass-tending politics that keeps entire generations away from the polls.
KabukiCon Interpretation is the new Kremlinology.
Thank God Pelosi is gone, I can’t WAIT until Boehner takes over, he will be so much better for all of us. FDL has done a yeoman’s job helping the nation send the Democrats packing. Now we have real conservatives in there to fight for us.
No war but class war! And that’s not snark, Sparky.
You’re assuming that the Democrats and Republicans don’t want similar outcomes.
For the economy, letting all the tax cuts expire would be bad.
Politically, Obama presents himself as being for the middle class. How would even threatening to let the tax cuts expire for middle-class Americans be a good idea for him?
No, it’s the people who stood their cheering “yeah Dems” while they passed a bunchy of legislation that helped their corporate donors but not the American people who led to the wipeout in November.
If you count yourself among that number, take a bow, because the ass-kicking delivered by the American electorate belongs to you.
We raised $58,000 for Russ Feingold Norske, how much did you raise?
I guess your “scorched earth” third-party conspiracy theories don’t really have any proof, or you’d be linking to them.
I disagree – I think allowing the Bush administration to get away with all the horrors they committed is far, far worse that the Nixon pardon (and I protested that pardon).
All I want re 2012 is a consensus candidate that I and others can vote for so that, when we vote against Obama, there’s no ambiguity in the message. The American people won’t be deciding whether or not Obama wins anyway, so why not support a candidate whose message is clear and progressive so we can speak clearly to the masters of the universe?
I’m no fan of Democratic strategy on this one, because I think they should just let the whole damn thing expire. Plus, the battle was lost the minute everyone started calling it the “Bush tax cuts” even though the middle class portion of the cuts are actually the Obama tax cuts.
However, don’t the politics on this vote cut both ways? Won’t the Republicans who vote against this be vulnerable to attack ads such as “John Boehner voted to increase taxes on the middle class.”?
also, any Democrat who thinks they’d be vulnerable on this for voting no has a real simple solution. Quit holding the middle class hostage and vote YES for only the middle class cuts. If they insist on voting no in order to hold hostages to benefit rich people, well then, fuck ‘em, they’re already a problem for the party and 98% of the country.
Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t really see the down side for progressives of forcing Democrats to go on the record here.
Amen.
Nancy is not stupid, Nancy just told everyone, I am an Obama loyalist, and I NANCY will follow Obama right off the cliff! nothing new here
Just more silly Kabuki!
Progressives at FDL and other places on the net are taking the correct action it is time to attack every member of congress who calls themselves a democrat. This battle will not be won in DC, it must be fought district by district.
Once you isolate these phony dems from the pack, they are easy to defeat. Some of our members have spoke with members of congress, who claim to be democrats, few to any of the congress people they spoke with knew as much as Jane knew about Obamacare, and most did not know that they had pass the Bob Dole Health Care Bill.
the dirty secret about USA politics is the fact you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to get elected. (ever heard of Sarah Palin)
Progressives with a little information from sites like FDL, can cause a lot of these congress people a lot of problems.
Obama, Nancy, and Harry know this, and treat most democratic members of congress like Morons. Most of the congress people of the day, are so old school, they seldom if ever talk to the people who voted for them. (republicans have always treated their rank and file members like MORONS)
The avg congress person gets elected the following way
1. he or she has some connections with some community leaders that help them get votes
2. they connect with some churches
3 they get their local news paper or town paper to endorse them
4. they put up a couple of signs
and wish for the best!
Once in congress they find a mentor if they are new, and vote like their mentor.
Building a simple social network to get progressives elected around the USA is not going to be that hard.
Especially, if they never see it coming! :)
they’re also beefing up security in Indiana’s unemployment offices too. As atrios is fond of saying, someone’s going to something stupid eventually.
Oh, I realize there’s a fair amount of kabuki going on here. I just think that a reasonable path forward must be presented as well.
There I differ. The effect of the tax increase on myself would be about $40 per paycheck–not enjoyable, but hardly a financial disaster on me. It’s even less of a burden on those making more money, and for the poor it’s only about $50 a year.
Tax cuts in general are a poor stimulus, and inverting these will not kill any recovery. The real impact on in the overall economy is not the effect of these tax increases on those who are lucky enough to have jobs, it’s the effect of continuing unemployment for those without any job, period. Moreover, politically not reducing the deficit leads to Catfood Commissions and cries for austerity, which if implemented *will* hurt the economy far more than letting all the tax cuts expire would.
If I can’t have a real stimulus, it’s better to increase taxes to take some of the wind out of the sails of the austerity peacocks. Moreover–personally?—I want to see some of the plutonomy squeal.
Politically, Obama presents himself as being for the middle class. How would even threatening to let the tax cuts expire for middle-class Americans be a good idea for him?
Blame it on the Republicans? Tell the truth? Say, “I wanted to extend the middle class cuts, but they blocked them?”
Also–and this goes into proposing items that may not pass–argue for stimulus II, and this time make it something useful, not a barely-effective stopgap. You may not win, but you make your case.
stewartm
Could you elaborate on that?
I don’t know that anything will come of it; but here in Georgia some of us and even the pundits are seeing the past elections as the defeat of many/most Blue Dogs, nationally and more importantly at the states level; thus presenting a chance for reorganizing our local parties to be more liberal and progressive with outreach to the metro and suburban voters. I for one am going back to my local party to encourage same. (I had left before the Obama election because of the Blue Dog predominance.)
Yeah, SD, I’m not sure about that either. Letting the cuts expire would result in less money in people’s pocket to spend BUT it would increase government revenue…Not sure which would outweigh the other…
On the subject of fund-raising, I JUST got a phone call from the DCCC. [I don't know why I'm on their list, considering the nasty notes I send back -- with no money -- in response to their pleas in the mail.]
I groaned out loud when the caller identified herself. I told her we would no longer donate to the DCCC, or the DSCC, DNC or OFA. In response to her query of “why,” I gave her the usual list. [I actually asked if she had 35 free minutes so I could go through it at length.]
Her response was that Obama + the Dems had passed the “Lilly Ledbetter act” and “400 other pieces of legislation.” When I went through the list of items they DIDN’T pass [let's start with the public option and repeal of DADT], she got all defensive.
And, when I said, “I don’t know what script you’re reading from,” she huffed, “I’m not reading from a script. I’m very well informed, and I’m NOT talking to you any more” and hung up.
I hope this experience is being repeated a lot for them today.
Just thought you’d like to know what their current MO is.
Oh, one other piece of their “defense” is that all the seats they lost were in “Ruby Red districts.” That’s a new one to me!
What’s the big accomplishment of getting 420 pieces of legislation passed in one chamber of Congress but not the other? It only becomes law when both chambers pass it and a president signs it.
I know most of you know this, but for those who don’t:
Professional Democrats, all Democratic politicians in office, whether they are calling themselves progressives, liberals, Blue or Yellow Dogs, are the same and working to achieve the aims of the DLC and transnational corporations over the best interests of the People. If they are a professional political and member of the Democratic Party, and in Washington, they have bought into and are supporting the culture of transnational corporations as their real constituents.
Their only problem with this is that corporations don’t vote, and politicians need votes to get into office. So they, Democratic politicians, try to convince the People they’re working on our behalf with weasel-words, rhetoric designed to lead voters into thinking one thing when the opposite is true. Obama can say, “I got health insurance for the People”, but having health insurance isn’t what Americans wanted and isn’t what Democratic voters put Obama and Democrats into power to get for them. Having health insurance isn’t the same thing as everyone being able to get affordable, quality medical treatment.
Democrats in both chambers of Congress work as a team. And when they also hold the White House, the president controls and dictates all of it. They identify what they hope to achieve (pro-corporate legislation) and then strategize how to get it while saving each other’s hides with constituents come election time.
Those in liberal districts get to talk a good game about being champions of the People, but when push comes to shove, if their votes are needed to cross over and k!ll liberal legislation (like a public option or access to abortion), the DNC will make sure they are covered come election time, with massive infusions of money into their campaign war chests and crushing any principled challenges to them from the left in their primaries.
Here’s an example of how they tag team us:
Lynn Woolsey, head of the Progressive Caucus, likes to brag that she was the first to bring a resolution to end the war in Iraq. She, and congressional Democrats, and Obama, ran on ending the practice of paying for the wars through supplemental emergency spending bills, and putting the wars on budget (see why that is significant here).
Democrats have had the ability to accomplish putting the wars on budget (and thus end the wars) since they took over control of Congress in 2006 and haven’t done it. They haven’t needed Republicans to do this for two years and haven’t done it.
As the head of the Progressive Caucus, Lynn Woolsey led 79 of the 82 members of the caucus to pledge that they would not vote for any healthcare reform legislation that didn’t include a public option.
Woolsey then led the 79 to renege on the pledge.
Unbeknownst to Lynn Woolsey’s constitutents (it was never reported in her district’s newspapers): Progressive Congresswoman Woolsey Endorses Pro-War Blue Dog Jane Harman Over Progressive Marcy Winograd
Democrats have let Obama continue with just about all of Bush-Cheney’s policies, and wars, and let Obama go Bush-Cheney even better, by letting Obama assert, unchallenged, that presidents have the right to kill Americans with no due process or oversight, push for ‘preventive detention’ and no transparency of anything a president asserts should be his secret.
Democrats have abdicated their Constitutionally-required role of oversight of the executive branch; they failed to perform it during the Bush-Cheney administration, and still don’t with one of their own in the White House.
The problem is with the Democratic Party as a whole; primarying Obama (and/or running liberal candidates against imcumbent Democrats in primaries) isn’t going to solve the problem, if it’s even possible to solve it and save us all (if they haven’t managed to game the entire system to keep them in place until we descend into banana republicanism).
But there are ideas in the works.
Tangentially related, but Bowles and Simpson will hold a press conference in about 45 minutes on C-SPAN 3 to discuss what is expected to be a week’s delay in reporting out recommendations.
It’s scheduled for 3:30pm EST, and billed as a press conference but I don’t think they took questions the last time they appeared in public.
Somehow, out of all the rhetoric, this shines out as the absolute truth.
Totally believable that the Dems only pretend to be incompetent so as to keep the votes coming.
Politics is just a game for the political wannabees to become the lobbyist havalots.
The President hasn’t got the guts to run this alone and so he has Pelosi run the scam for him. He is still going to lose in 2012. He can’t hide from this one or from the unemployment compensation. Bye bye Barak.
What is utterly galling is they could make the republicans take all the blame for extending the tax cuts for the rich and they could let them do it on their own time. Shit a real profile in courage would be to let the tax cuts expire and then excorciate the repug bastards for class warfare and hypocrisy about helping the economy or the deficit.
I just hang up on them now. No point talking to them and they won’t get a dime.
Absolutely. Ford’s pardon of Nixon marked the true beginning of the war on accountability. However, one thing I have to say: impeaching Bush might have led to the impeachment of Cheney as well. That could have put Pelosi in line for the Presidency. Perhaps she (and other Dem strategists) thought this just had too much of a political coup stink to it. It does, however, point out the problem with the change in the line of succession brought about by (I think) the 25th Amendment. I don’t think at the time anybody ever considered the possiblity that both a Pres and VP would be impeached, either simultaneously or in rapid succession.
Jane, it really doesn’t matter what Pelosi does — Republicans are going to get exactly what they want come January. They always do! Why not set a clear marker between the two parties?
Politically, Obama wouldn’t crush Republicans with The Truth. They’d call him a “Tax and Spend Liberal” and the Democratic Party would be toast. It would be a little like him helping the wingnuts to put on their heaviest boots before they step all over his head, figuratively.
I don’t see the expiration having any effect, personally. After all, this would be a return to Clinton-era rates, which were still low compared to previous historical rates, and moreover were present during the 1990s-boom. I have run some calculations on what the per-paycheck amount would be if they expired for everyone–and they’re not odious even for people making twice my income, and maybe a few dollars a paycheck for those making less.
The big reason I want to see all of them die is that Obama’s proposal still ends up being a hefty tax cut for the richest–that’s just the way marginal tax rates work. The rich pay a much bigger bill if you allow them all to expire. Likewise, capital gains and dividend taxes would return to Clinton-era levels, which is a another sizable hit which is not in the Obama proposal, and this too would be a big hit on the rich which would be invisible to ordinary people.
After the losses on Nov 2, you have to play defense. I do acknowledge that we need to do some things before the lame-duck is out–and extending unemployment benefits for 2 years would be the best option both in terms of economic stimulus and the most humane thing to do (2 years to put it out of reach of Boehner). That really should be at the top of the list. The tax cuts, even the middle-class cuts, are of secondary importance.
But like I said–reducing the deficit would take some of the wind from the sails of the deficit peacocks. The Catfood Commission’s proposals and like-minded ones would be disastrous for the economy if extended—far more economically deflating than letting the Bush tax cuts expire, as well as more inhumane. At all costs these must be blocked.
stewartm
I agree with you. If the Bush tax cuts were to expire, the deficit, instantly, is cut in half. That is a powerful result to hold up to the American people of how devastating Bush’s and Republicans’ policies have been to the country.
Obama knows how to use it; he doesn’t want to. Not on behalf of the People. See my post, #51.
Also, did you catch Rachel Maddow last night? This is no way to negotiate anything, and yet it’s SOP for Obama.
There isn’t a lawyer around who will tell you that this is an advocate working in your interests if he’s doing this. This is not how you negotiate contracts.
The Right Hand does not know what the Left Hand is doing.Kill all the Bush tax cuts die.It was never tax cuts anyway.It was Welfair for the rich and people with liveable wage jobs.
And there’s the whole thing in a nutshell.
Voting for tax cuts for everybody (not just the middle-class, but the first $250,000 for everybody) isn’t going to be a political liability among voters for any candidate, in any district, under any circumstances. The voters will approve, but the donors will not.
I think Pelosi is supporting Obama with this vote. So why does Obama want it? Because a) it has no chance of actually passing and b) he can reference it during his campaign. That’s it. Period.
The WH is looking at the limited time available during the lame duck to get votes that a) won’t pass and b) Obama can campaign on. This tax vote, DADT, and DREAM.
Therein lies some clues to Obama’s campaign strategy – vote for me because of what I tried to do, not on what got done, because of those mean Republicans and the looney left that stayed home instead of voting for us last time.
a) set up nice-looking vote that has no chance of passing (lots of these in the Senate)
b) allow it to go down in flames
c) give the Republicans whatever they want
d) expect Democrats to be dazzled and vote for Prez O anyway
And he will be dumbfounded when it doesn’t work.
Re spending. How much more money would be withheld from a person’s paycheck if the tax cuts are allowed to expire? That’s where the rubber meets the road. How much difference in a person’s life will that amount make? I’m talking about folks not in the upper tax brackets. An extra 3% withholding on somebody making over $200K just gives them something else to bitch about.
Poll after poll sez that the public doesn’t care about the deficit that much, and if taxes don’t hit them hard, about taxes either. What they want is jobs, healthcare, education, and a chance.
I’m more a believer that if you put the average American into a European-style social democracy like Germany’s or France’s–even if their taxes went up–the fact that all the above would be provided would lead more to a “Wow. Awesome” response from most Americans rather than some silly tirade against taxes.
The “tax and spend” rejoinder only works when the Americans pay taxes and get nothing for it that helps them in their personal lives. That’s why the Republicans, for all their propaganda, aren’t really against taxing and spending. Just against taxing and spending that the public might actually like.
stewartm
I’m not an economist, but it seems to me that, regardless of the minimal effect it might have on me individually to lose it, letting the tax cuts expire for millions of middle-class Americans would be to take a large chunk of money out of circulation.
Let’s say an individual would only see about an $80 increase per month. That’s $960 per year that that individual’s not spending. Now multiply that by millions of individual Americans… it’s not about how much that $80/month helps that individual.
Money moving about helps everyone.
The value in a dollar is realized by how much it flows throughout the system.
Hmmm, I don’t see how the fault lies with Pelosi. What would you rather see her do, given absolutely zero leadership from the President and from the Senate? Personally, I’d rather see the Democrats allow the tax cuts (ALL of them) expire, but that’s not going to happen. But what would you have liked to see happen?
Another prime example of “I’ve got mine, fuck everybody else.”
I’m not at all a believer, but when I see and hear all this “I’ve got mine and fuck everybody else” bullshit, I truly do hope their is an afterlife, where a final judgement is made.
Ohhhh booyyyyy will have a smile on my face seeing the look on the faces of ALL the assholes that lived the “I’ve got mine, fuck everybody else” life when they learn their judgement.
Good times I hope, even though I doubt it.
Last I remember, the Democratic Cheering Brigade was demonizing anyone on the left who stood in opposition to the Health Insurance Industry Profit Guarantee Act and warned of the a) policy and b) political consequences of passing it as an unrealistic and unsatisfiable political simpleton. If these purists didn’t get behind passing the Baucus bill, Speaker Boehner would be the next Speaker of the House and it would be all their fault. And all would be lost, hopelessly, hopelessly lost…
Have you apologized to one of those people yet?
You may be right. But I hope there are a few more or less ethical service oriented liberal Democrats within the party and would like to seek them out and empower them to an expression of more liberal principles. I actually see Nancy Pelosi as one but accept I am in the minority in this group. Just not quite ready to throw the bathwater and baby out.
I’ll agree with you on this: Republicans seem to like using credit cards to pay for wars and tax cuts, and Democrats seem willing to let them in order to get a few some extra lines in the Faux Partisan Theatre. As Krugman would say, “The government spending at a time like this is fine.” And there are many ways to spend the money well that’s saved from letting tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire.
Oh, I forgot. Democrats and Republicans essentially want the same outcome, and it won’t be letting the right tax cuts expire or spending money well for the benefit of Americans.
Says it all… who’s working for whom? Laughably identified “Democrats” are NOT working for the “small people” anymore than their “cousins” in the ReThug party. It’s all Kabuki Show all the time.
I’m totally for letting the Bush tax system expire and go back to the way it was for everyone, but I know I can just dream on… the Kabuki Party (which includes every single louse currently in Dee Cee + all louses about to go to Dee Cee – and that includes putative “Tea-Tardz”) will continue the tax cuts for everyone ad infinitum & ad nauseum.
P.S. Nancy Pelosi is full of it on this one, just as she was w/ the “impeachment is off the table.”
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This is Obama’s fatal flaw. He is terrified of being called a tax and spend liberal. To the point of cutting government workers’ pay in coming years. Shame Shame
Jane
Forgive this long, off topic comment. I hope it gets past the moderators. It is my swan song. I am leaving myFDL. You won’t have ekunin to kick around any more. Before I go, I’d like to explore what led you to call me “worse than a troll”.
It started with the fund raising drive. You said FDL needed fifty K to, among other things, provide an alternative to the Democrats in 2012. I, who agree we need an alternative to the Dems, asked what you had in mind. It turned out you didn’t have anything in mind. Rayne recently ran a post about FDL’s community organizing tools. I cannot believe you think they will be effective in our life time let alone by 2012.
When your alternative to the Dems morphed into support for FDL in order to pay moderators a living wage you took my questions as suggesting people not contribute to FDL. My language may be imprecise, but that was never my intent. It’s true I do not see you as my leader who says jump and I respond “how high”. In that I am in a distinct minority. You raised the fifty K in a week. When it became a matter of supporting FDL I kicked in $25.00 because I use the facilities.
Then you unveiled “myFDL”. Aside from the fact I hate the name-what’s in a name? you ask. Quite a bit, I say. A couple of people came on to say they hate nested comments. I took no position on comments, nested or otherwise. I suggested the issue be presented to the community and we develop tools to attempt consensus on things like names and comments. You responded and I paraphrase-it will be a cold day in hell before the likes of me has anything to say about FDL’s format. Your attitude is libertarian. I’ve got mine, you got something else in mind go out and build your own. That thinking got us into our present mess. It won’t get us out.
I have no idea how long it will take you to realize your community building tools will not influence public affairs. We can’t go to the voters, we need the voters to come to us. If you need a model it’s Facebook, not the way politics has been practiced for years. You say my idea is too expensive. I am not a computer expert, but I think one or two million dollars should buy enough memory, servers and telephone lines to get it off the ground. Not an insignificant sum, but doable. Should the network become popular, it will be an advertising platform far more focused than either Google or Facebook. I’d like to explore the notion with you or anyone who thinks it has promise. That doesn’t seem to be in the cards.
I believe it important to grow FDL, not in the sense of attracting other liberals although they will be welcome, but in the sense of attracting people who disagree, tea baggers, libertarians and conservatives. You do that by providing forums, Wikipedia like pages where people anonymously provide information about topics of the day like bank bailouts, global warming, or health insurance as a solution to the problem of health care. As it is we gravitate to blogs and sources that reinforce what we already believe. If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you hear the MSM is leftist. On FDL, the MSM is of the right.
Finally, we must trust each other sight unseen. You don’t know me, but I am not an enemy. Our goals are the same. Trusting will not be easy, but there’s no alternative. I do not think your community tools will work. My crystal ball is no clearer than yours. Time, as always, will tell.
Should you change your mind and come to think I might have ideas worth considering, you can find me at eekunin at gmail.com
Wouldn’t you love to see someone run on a Liberal Tax and Spend platform? :-)
Most Americans aren’t interested in aggregate spending in the country. The Me First Americans only cares about what affects them personally, which is one of the reasons we’re where we are today.
Spend on what? Junk made in China, Viet Nam, Indonesia, India? The majority of that money goes into the pockets of the corporations, not workers.
I agree that he should fear the label, but it’s not a good idea to hand them a political weapon – like letting tax cuts for millions of middle-class Americans expire – in order to achieve shitty policy – like letting tax cuts for millions of middle-class Americans expire.
Oh, I like to let them talk.
a) it reveals what their thinking is, what’s in their arsenal of what they consider “arguments;”
b) it takes up their time. If they’re yapping with me, they can’t be bothering someone else; and
c) I enjoy letting them know I will contribute to the rare GOOD, progressive Democratic candidate, but NEVER to them [so they can dole funds out to the likes of Melissa Bean, Heath Schuler, Tammy Duckworth and, for the DSCC, Blanche Lincoln.]
That there is some small bit of stimulus to tax cuts is not in debate (I don’t think?) but that’s not the point IMO.
When we (progressives) say stuff like “It’ll hurt the economy if we raise their taxes” we’re playing right into the right wing’s hands. THus we’ve credited their view that tax cuts stimulate the economy.
If that view were valid, we’d be in a huge boom cycle right now. IF that veiw were true, the economy under Bill Clinton (who raised taxes) would’ve been far, far worse than the economy under W (who cut them multiple times).
It’s just not accurate. Why? Because even though there is some stimulative effect, it is very, very, very, small in comparison to other ways to stimulate the economy. You just don’t get the bang for your stimulus buck with tax cuts. Thus making them POOR policy choices for real stimulus.
Which is why I’d rather we not even say “Raising their taxes will hurt the economy” because the effect is so small as to be meaningless and the effect of validating that poor policy is awful.
YMMV
Obama and the Democratic Party has already reconstituted themselves, having spun the election as a mandate for Obama’s continuing to cave to Republicans, ‘bipartisanship’, etc. Just as I (and many others) predicted.
Pelosi is back as the leader. Reid will undoubtedly continue as the Senate Majority Leader. The only way that can happen is if the results of the last two years are EXACTLY what the powers-that-be within the Democratic Party intended. Rewards in Washington are handed out in a traditional manner: If you deliver the results that the powers-that-be want, you rise to power and you remain there until you don’t deliver the results that the powers-that-be want. We, The People, are not the ‘powers-that-be’; transnational corporations are.
Trying to change the (DLC-controlled) Democratic Party’s congressional leadership is like trying to break up mercury and keep the droplets apart. The DLC-controlled leadership is like the Terminator, who is working against the People, working against getting corporate interests out of government, and against getting real reforms into place.
I’m convinced that the only solution to getting the nation back on track and out of the hands of the oligarchs (if it’s even possible at this point) is going to have to come from outside of the Democratic Party.
The problem is with the Democratic Party as a whole. Primarying Obama (and/or running liberal candidates against incumbent Democrats in primaries) isn’t going to solve the problem (if it’s even possible to solve it and save us all, if they haven’t managed to game the entire system to keep them in place until we descend into banana republicanism).
One way might be this:
If there are any real and true Democrats left in the DLC-controlled Democratic Party, they might stage a rebellion and a revolution within the party itself. But there’s no role for the People in that, unless Democratic voters are willing to get active, join and participate in the Democratic Party en masse now.
It’s more likely that an internal purge (without the outside new blood of Democratic voters joining the party and becoming active internally within the party) would just be a bloodbath, leaving the Democratic Party in ruins. There’s something to be said for that, but the result of that would probably revitalize the Republican Party, by driving the DLC Democrats to the Republican Party, swamping and taking over the GOP from the extreme rightwingers controlling it now. That might be the only way for a third party encompassing the values and ideology of the left to emerge and become viable.
I agree. When the time comes, articles of the Second Republican have to include provisions that force corporations to limit executive compensation and end corporate personhood.
Whether the American people are interested in aggregate spending or not isn’t the point. We were discussing what’s best for the economy. So, the point is for a leader to do what’s right for the American people.
Exactly. Whereas tax dollars collected can perhaps be spent more wisely here in the USA on such worthwhile projects as infrastructure maintenance & improvements, education, etc. All of which have potential to create jobs for US citizens.
I realize that low-income earners count every penny & spend their money on food & shelter. But still… other than low income earners, the tax “cuts” really do not benefit our country very much. They benefit the super wealthy corporation owners.
I’m guessing that many of the 54 incumbent House Democrats who lost their seats in the midterms (by the way, a modern-day record…since 1970, the average loss of House seats by incumbents of BOTH parties combined was only 17.3) just might tell Nancy Pelosi to go screw herself should she attempt to whip them on ANY vote during the lame-duck session.
Anyone who believes there are no hard feelings toward Madame Speaker over the beatdown suffered by House Democrats on Nov. 2nd is dreaming.
Further, its astonishing that the leadership of the Democratic Party…Pelosi in the House, Reid in the Senate, and (of course) Obama in the White House, remains in place after the historic rejection of Democrats by the the electorate.
Retaining the same leadership after an unprecedented electoral debacle sets a new standard for cluelessness for either party.
If we had really had a “fierce advocate” in power in Jan 2009, then I would have preferred killing the Bush era tax cuts then–if not raising rates.
Then I would have wanted a $4 trillion dollar, 10-year stimulus. It will take an estimated $2.2 trillion just to fix the crumbling infrastructure we have–not just “roads and bridges”, but dams, sewer systems, airports, you name it–then the rest for green energy and green materials. The problem with the US economy is that even if we try to grow our way out of this mess, the fact that we can see the end of the oil economy stands to kill any growth. Ergo, finding a replacement for oil in terms of energy and as a source for polymers and chemicals is vital.
The stimulus would be paid for by the tax cuts–moreover, with the multiplier effects, it would stimulate the economy more than the tax cuts removed.
I would also put in WPA 2.0 and Medicare-for-all, even if by executive order justified as an emergency measure. Having Medicare-for-all in place as an emergency measure during the HRC debate would have put enormous leverage on Congress (and on the health-industrial complex) to do health reform better, as then the issue gets framed as one of taking away something from Americans rather than giving it to them.
And I’ve not even started on what to do about the banks. ;-)
I grant this is fantasy. I know all-too-well now that Obama, despite his supposed desire to be a “transformational President”, is no such animal–not unless he sees as “transformational” and “historic” the gutting of SS.
steawrtm
How does extending tax cuts for millionaires stimulate the economy or reduce the deficit?
They don’t.
No one here is buying into the either/or bullshit of the Red Republicans or the Blue Republicans.
Weren’t taxes for the rich cut even more in 2003? How could that have happened unless all the players at the time were largely ok with it?
Yeah, she bowed to the wishes of the Blue Dogs and watered down the stimulus and Health Insurance Reform while catering to them on other issues across the board.
These are the ones who mostly lost in November and in fact are most likely to NOT need to be cajoled into voting to extend the tax cuts for all. Most of them are faux deficit hawks anyway
The same leadership was retained precisely because they DID do the job requested of them.
The mauling in November was a feature, not a bug.
Excellent response!
It’s a variant of the tragedy of the commons–rarely does anyone get ‘het up about tax cuts, even tax cuts not for them personally, because it’s not a loss to them personally (“no money out of my pocket”), even if it’s a loss to everyone collectively. You are right, the 2003 tax cuts (particularly on capital gains) did in many ways the most damage. It’s why billionaires pay tax rates on par with near-minimum wage workers.
That’s why I sometimes would think that an inverse of California’s infamous proposition 13 would be in order–that tax rate *increases* should be able to pass with simple majority vote, but tax rate *decreases* require supermajorities–at least permanent decreases. If you tax someone at 30 %, then lower the rate to 20 %, then figure that’s too low and you need to raise it back to 25 %–even though that 25 % is lower than what was previously paid, you still get all the selfish bitching and moaning. Since raising taxes will always be hard and lowering them easy, the legislative process should work to counter that.
stewartm, a moment of fiscal responsiblity
It’s got absolutely nothing to do with guts, although I think Obama’s got more guts than Democratic voters realize. He’s got no problem standing up to the Democratic Party’s base and the center-to-left in the media and blogosphere.
Washington is a hierarchical. ‘All The King’s Men’, and so forth. Everyone falls before the king, everyone takes the hit before the king does. And within the Democratic Party’s hierarchy, the president sets the agenda. Do you realize that every Democratic member of Congress, every professional Democratic politician, has bought into privatization? And from the fact that Democrats didn’t exercise their Constitutional responsibility of oversight after they took over in 2006 and still don’t do it, they’ve also bought into deregulation. What they say isn’t relevant; what they do is.
There really are basics that Americans have to get straight, first among themselves, and then with their elected representatives, their public servants. Like, “Do you support privatization?”
I don’t.
But Obama does.
Who be this “us”? Do we have a bankster in our midst?
stewartm
Exactly.
Pelosi is a dim bulb. Anyone else would realize that you can’t whip most of the Nov. 2nd losers to vote for anything.
They blame her, in large part, for their defeats anyway.
She’s going to be a terrific minority leader.
You call yourself a Democrat??
And you support the President assassinating US citizens without due process? How can you call yourself a Democrat?
And you support the end of habeas corpus as a RIGHT? How can you call yourself a Democrat?
And you support the continued forevever and ever econcomic suffering for people when they suffer physically? How can you call yourself a Democrat?
And you support the USG using TORTURE??? HOW can you call yourself a Democrat?
And you support continuation of tax cuts for rich at the expense of our deficit? How can you call yourself a Democrat?
And you support doing tax cuts or nothing at all instead of a real stimulus to put real Americans back to work?? How can you call yourself a Democrat?
I could go on and on and on and on but by supporting Pelose, Reaid, Obama, and/or the Democrats in DC in general, THOSE ARE THE POLICIES YOU’RE SUPPORTING BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE POLICIES HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY those DC Democrats.
I know some real Demcrats. You sir/madam, are no Democrat.
Sir, you are no more, nor is anyone else, deserving of the fruits of my labor, and to suggest it, is immoral..so don’t try that moral high ground bribery with me.
CS LEWIS wrote: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most opressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under onmipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will tornemt us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
And your conscience, sir, is wanting.
No man is an island, to suggest you have no obligation whatsoever to your fellow man is beyond the pale immoral.
I fear not meeting any maker.
Good luck if/when you meet yours.
Ok, my last comment before I lose my power cord:
If Republicans are such scum (as I believe they are, and I know you do, too) and “so dangerous” , why isn’t Obama investigating and prosecuting them? Why isn’t Obama investigating and prosecuting the greatest heist on the People in all history?
Why are Obama and Democrats continuing the war crimes of Bush and Cheney, and blocking investigations and prosecutions into their crimes?
How does a Democratic president, on the heels of the most criminal and corrupt administration in the nation’s history, not replace Bush-era US attorneys? Presidents may fire US attorneys, and they do so routinely at the beginning of a new administration. It is unusual to fire US attorneys in mid-term (as Bush did) except in cases of gross misconduct (which wasn’t the case during the Bush administration). This is what Obama’s US attorneys do instead of returning the democracy to the American people — Instead we get Bush-style obscenity prosecutions.
Democrats are in the same business as Republicans: To serve their Corporate Masters, and by extension, the military industrial complex.
I suggest that you consider Democrats and Republicans as working on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). ‘Good cop/bad cop’. One side (Republicans) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats’ populist rhetoric.
Once in power, Democrats consolidate Republicans’ gains from previous years, and continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertising campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren’t what We, The People thought they were.
Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigans and all the different ways they’ve been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republicans, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People’s business.
Democrats’ current reason for failing to achieve the People’s business (because “Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal” etc.) is custom-tailored to fit the promotion of Obama’s ‘bipartisan cooperation’ demeanor. It’s smirk-worthy when you realize that what they’re trying to sell is that they’re inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do…And their ineptitude, like that’s somehow “a good thing”.
Ah, I love the smell of libertarianism in the afternoon; smells like…horseshit.
The really funny thing is that all these wannabe libertarians would cry uncle in the first few months in their libertarian wet dream world.
Sometimes I so wish they would get their wish. But then I feel guilty for wishing that on anyone.
Class warfare has been going on in its modern guise since 1981, at least.
Or are you one of those who only call it “class warfare” when the have-nots dare to fight back?
As for your “self-interest” argument–many people don’t in fact act in their objective self-interest.
The wealth ticket that the rich get to play actually represent the wealth that was actually, factually, created by millions of others. Yet our system allows them the exclusive right to use it. Steep progressive income taxes provide a mechanism, however imperfect, for those millions to take some of their own wealth back.
stewartm
So, lets get this straight, it is ok that I walk into your house, uninvited, and take what I want, because I think I need it??? Great..give me your address..I’ll be right over.
You are saying that rights do not belong to individuals, but are to be rationed by the state , given to those which the state deems deserving…and taken from those which the state deems undeserving??
That is the most unenlightened thought process I think I have ever encountered. You have absolutely no understanding of moral order nor liberty.
You know, I would be happy to send you a one way ticket to the socialist country of your choice. Venezuela perhaps???
Minor correction: The official unemployment rate is calculated from surveys not from who collects unemployment benefits.
Extending any of the tax cuts is silly from a progressive point of view. I wish progressives would be united on this.
NOW I know why Tolkien found Lewis unbearable at times.
Let’s frame Lewis’s in a different and more reasonable context.
I am gay. There are many earnest fundamentalist Christians who would want me to change my ways in order to “save” me. They do this out of a genuine concern for my well-being and salvation. They may make earnest appeals and leave Chick pamphlets on my windshield, and while perhaps bothersome, they are no more than that.
Then there are the Rev. Phelps types, those who wish me dead, imprisoned, subjected to a variety of medical “cures”, or worse. These make no pretense of having my well-being at heart, except perhaps in the most twisted and abstract of ways.
Lewis would have you think that there is no difference, or that case #1 is worse than case #2. I would beg to differ.
stewartm
Amen.
So, let’s get this straight. Is it ok that I walk into Best Buy and take a new 55″ LED HD TV and walk out because that’s my right? The state can’t take my right to freedom away even though they deem me undeserving as a thief (or perhaps a murderer)?
THAT is the most unenlightened thought process I think I have ever encountered. States take rights away from individuals all the time that they deem undeserving. Whether it be thieves, murderers, rapists, or what have you, the state takes away their liberty precisly because they are undeserving.
You know, I would be happy to send you a one way ticket to libertarian utopia any time you like. I hear the weather in Somalia is nice this time of year.
LOL
OK–what’s left for any discussion on the origin of rights, if they are not empirically speaking, something we grant to each other via the mechanism of the state–theology? You gonna pull God into this discussion? *HER*?
stewartm, plus, remember what Laurie Anderson sang…
stewartm, love is beautiful in any form. As there are fundamentalist Christians who would want you to change your ways, (which I might add is utter nonsense) there are progressives who want me to give up my freedom..who want me to take care of others, and who want others to take care of me. And that too is nonsense. I want liberty for you to choose the life you want to live, and I want to preserve liberty and personal freedom for myself..but it is imperative that we all understand that property rights and Liberty go hand in hand. If the individual cannot keep or dispose of the value he creates by his own intellectual and/or physical labor, he exists to serve the state.
Gay or straight, no one should want to be a ward of the state.
Agreed.
I think progressives are more united on this than you think (although maybe not by much).
It’s just that there are no progressives in Washington, D.C.
Can you make and keep the same money in Sudan ?
If not, why not?
How about Iraq where we destroyed the country ?
If not, why not?
Do you use the roads, bridges and tunnels that previous generations paid for without cost ? Wouldn’t that be theft also?
Thank you for making my point. I couldn’t have scripted a better illustration myself.
Well, for starters, an acknowledgment that the Senate is always going to be the impediment, and that there’s no use taking symbolic votes if they can’t get something through the Senate in the next 17 days.
Pelosi could use her bully pulpit to call them out and say “get your act together and work with us to find something that can pass both houses.”
And then do it. Put up the best bill you think you can get through. If the ConservaDems are blocking everything, name names. Call them out.
If and when you get a Democratic caucus that is unified behind something, and the GOP still won’t budge, go out collectively and make the argument that they are refusing their support on behalf of those 315,000 families who are making $1 million or more a year.
A real leader would be shrieking from the high heaven that something needs to get done here. It’s not time for a Judy Garland/Mickey Rooney “let’s put on a show” effort.
If the weakness is within your own caucus, time to say so. But for the love of god, show some real leadership that transcends party demagoguery.
So start your own site and show Jane how it’s done.
At least, when your site is up and running past FDL drop us a line where to find that site.
Thanks Jane.
The comment made no distinction about how the unemployed numbers are determined. Officially, these people will be accounted for (in whatever fashion) in one category rather than anther henceforth.
And as for “progressives” being unified behind extending the Bush tax cuts, here are your options:
1) Extend them for nobody: Obama and most of those who determine the outcome of this particular scenario opposed. FAIL
2) Extend them only for income below $250,000 per year: The Senate will not pass it in the next 17 days. FAIL
So, there are really only two more choices:
3) Come to some kind of compromise to extend some rather than all of the tax cuts, and possibly package it with an extension of unemployment benefits.
4) Fail to pass anything, and let the Republicans pass what they want in January, which the Senate will pass and Obama will sign.
You don’t get to pick between 1 and 2 because they’re impossible. So you have to make your choice between 3 and 4.
Of course 3 may be impossible too, so 4 may be the only possible outcome. But since we don’t know that yet, the choice is between taking a chance on 3, or just giving up and going with 4.
Notice that there’s no “engage in kabuki voting” on the list, because that = 4.
Pelosi defines the term “Limousine Liberal.”
That she (and her band of corrupt Democrats in leadership)is/are what passes for progressive leadership in this country is one of the saddest things to be said for this country.
Remember that she, and no one else, was the actual executioner of the public option. She and no one else pulled the trigger by not including it in the reconciliation bill. What may or may not have happened to it in the senate is pure speculation, but at least we would have been able to make a fight of it. There is plenty of blame to go around, starting with Obama, but Pelosi is the one who killed it.
I can’t believe anybody is actually sticking up for Pelosi anywhere on the internet. She’s nothing more than a rich buffoon that has shown her competence repeatedly over and over. If she’s in any way a liberal or progressive, then I guess that makes me a communist or something severe that hasn’t been termed yet.
Ugh, 4 assumes no way we could get 40 Democrats to block it in the Senate.
That sucks. Not even 40 of the original 60 are worth a shit.
As a follow up.
Isn’t it funny how the Repugs don’t want the tax cuts limited to those making under $250,000 can keep it from happening with only 41 or 42 Senators in this session, but the Democrats who say they don’t want the tax cuts extended for those making over $250,000 CAN’T BLOCK it in the new session with 53 Senators.
This is so fucking wrong.
Ok, thanks. That makes sense. This is so depressing. Under Obama’s leadership, Democrats are essentially walking away from Clinton-era taxes. I just don’t get it.
FWIW, the tax cuts would apply to everyone, including the first $250K for those making more. It would only block the cuts for the amounts OVER $250K
That’s one of those nuances that seems to get lost in all the noise
Yeah, I know. I should’ve worded it better. Sorry.
I don’t see why I should take into account that Obama is afraid to let all the tax cuts expire when deciding what I’ll support. By this reasoning we should have all rallied ’round Obamacare.
Also I suspect that the $32.7 billion statistic for above $1,000,000 is taken out of context. I would like to see the full JCT report before considering that as a compromise.
If that’s the case, if we’re screwed no matter what, then a symbolic vote is as good as any. If this “Democratic” lame-duck Congress really values extending budget-busting tax cuts over unemployment relief–and that’s what it really comes down to—then the best thing for progressives to do is not to play along. I see a fair analogy to the HCR reform bill, where not passing anything was considered better than passing what actually passed.
Like I said–Obama really decides this matter. He has a strong hand, and he could make the Repubs come begging to him. You say that won’t happen, but if so it’s because he and his fellow “liberals” pre-caved.
And yes, people will be hurt if unemployment relief is not extended. I concur in spades. I know such people, and it galls me. But guess what? They’ll be just as hurt, if not more so, if the budget-busting tax cuts go through and the Village Echo Chamber then uses that fact to start its quickening its drumbeat for “austerity” to reduce the budget-busting.
If there are no good practical choices, at least take the right stand.
stewartm
What do you mean “out of context”?
That number sounds about exactly right to me, if I’m reading it right.
I’m reading it to say that if all the tax cuts were extended, it would cost $38 Billion next year. Of that $38 Billion, $32.7 Billion goes to those making over $1,000,000 next year.
Am I reading it wrong, or is there some other reason it may have been taken out of context?
I will not again vote for Obama. Period.
Palin may win and Obama would not be as bad, but I am no longer the property of the Democratic Party, to be abused as they see fit. I will no longer be taken for granted because there is no viable alternative. If there is an actual progressive on the ballot, I will vote for that person. If not, I will write in Mickey Mouse, or something. I will no longer vote for wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Bring on the primaries.
Right on.
agreed.
the truth is they are all corporatists. and all they do is protect the rich and corporate profits.
let all tax cuts fail. I will take the very minor hit. and for most of us, it is VERY MINOR!
at least the rich will take one too. considering recent history, it would be nice for them to take a hit instead of only the middle class and poor.
“at least take the right stand”
nailed it.
if we lose, AGAIN, so be it.
but I’m tired of losing without a fight or gaining crumbs while the rich take millions in taxpayer welfare.
let all the tax cuts expire.
only the middle class tax cuts should continue, PERIOD! unemployment benefits should continue. but I won’t trade either so that the rich can win over america again.
An “amen” back at you.
To me, this is a test case. No 60-vote Senate hurdle, nor any of the other excuses which have been rolled out why one thing or another couldn’t be accomplished don’t apply here–DO NOTHING, and it still happens. Moreover, it’s a 2008 campaign promise of Obama’s.
As for the unemployed–like I said, I know people on unemployment and I’ve been helping some of them. But the Republicans are scorpions, and like scorpions in the scorpion-and-frog fable, they’ll find a way to renege on any agreement, or break any promise, because that’s just what scorpions do. I would be all in favor of doing what could be reasonably done to help them–and truth be know, if the Dems were really in favor of helping them, it could be done–by reconciliation if by no other way. If they’re really serious, if they put their votes where their mouths are, they could ram it through the lame duck session.
BUT–if even this for some gawd-forsaken reason even that bit of help can’t be done, if all the excuses for not doing the right thing are trotted out yet again, there’s one thing you can do. If you can’t help your friends, you can at least hurt your enemies. And Obama and the Dems have the power to put a real hurtin’ on the very people who contributed so much to the Republican coffers during the 2010 midterms. That by itself is a reason to hold firm on this issue.
I want to hear the rich scream bloody murder. If ordinary people are fated to struggle and suffer, then it’s at least some consolation to listen to them cry over their faux hurts on TV.
stewartm
you’re assuming Obama will pass it.
he is a corporatist, so maybe. although he would show his true colors AGAIN.
and I for one am tired of letting the rich win, without a fight, or only getting crumbs in return.
the middle class gets a VERY VERY SMALL tax cut compared to the rich. let them all expire.
please tell me you didn’t just defend the robber barons?
oh you people are all the same. defend the evil. go ahead. at least then we know where you really stand.
tell that to the banksters who are committing FRAUD and PERJURY, in a court of LAW, hundreds of thousands of times.
they are taking people’s property, with fraud and perjury in each case. and each time, they seize property against the law. enabled by the politicians and judges they have bought.
In posts 134 and 131 you seem to be giving Obama a pass. Or maybe you’re just tired of explaining how Obama is not a progressive but is a Republican in sheep’s clothing and now it goes unsaid that he’s not interested in fighting for the working middle class.
Would you comment on the following question for me? (as I’m still your pupil). Why do I hear almost zero talk amongst progressive Democrats about a challenge to Obama from the left? They can’t buy all the Republican and easily refuted narratives spun to explain Nov. 2. Why is no ambitious Democratic pol seizing this opportunity to retake and remake the Democratic party? Am I delusional that it’s possible? If so, why?, given the obvious fronts on which Obama is vulnerable from the left, e.g., macroeconomic recovery, war, civil liberties, justice for war criminals and banker criminals, etc.
Thank you, what wld like to know is why the democrats have been allowed to blame the republicans for them not extending unemployment benefits. The democrats under Pelosi have chosen not to extend benefits bcz they want to play politics and blame it on the republicans and the media continues to allow them to get away with it. As long as the dems have the majority they cld have passed the extension thru the senate using the reconcilation route. Pelosi, Reid, and Obama have delibertately chosen to allow people’s benefits to expire in order to play politics or they dont have the votes on their side. What I wld like to know is why isnt the liberal media calling them out on this?
it’s not that they hate us.
they just don’t care. it’s like how most people don’t care about ants. they don’t hate ants. but who cares what happens to them?
same thing. they don’t care about the people. people can starve and go homeless, and it doesn’t matter.
they just don’t want to have to deal with the pain and suffering of the “little” people. they want us to keep that “indecent” suffering away form the “decent” people. they don’t want it to affect their digestion.
Fixed it for you.
Putting on my progressive cap for a moment, I for one don’t want to take away your freedom. You’re free to argue what you think is right, but you’re not free to tell me that I can’t argue for what I think is right by acting like I’d be imposing something on you if my views were to prevail in a democratic system.
Bravo!
Ethnographically, what you call “nonsense” is just the way humans interact and always have. We come into the world needing taken care of, at life’s end we need taken care of, and in-between we take care of others. It’s why we’re (well, most normal non-sociopathic humans) are genetically hardwired for empathy (vassopressin).
Moreover, your “yours” is not all truly yours. The work computer I use–its operating system, Windows (gag) is the creation of the efforts of the minds and hands of many people. Yet the way our economic system currently works a handful–and most particularly, just one (Bill Gates)–gets a “ticket” to access an inordinate amount of the “wealth” that Windows represents (well, if you can say Windows represents “wealth”). This is true despite the fact that MS Windows could not have occurred without the help of these people. Moreover, the lineage of knowledge that led up to Windows not only encompasses the living, but the deceased as well. The efforts of those preceeding you contributed to your wealth too. You may be loathe to admit it, but your “yours” is actually the result of a collective effort of many people, many of whom were not fairly rewarded for it.
In short, the current economic system does not accurately reflect the real contributions of people–it inordinately gives some a “ticket” to be the sold owner and user of a great pile of wealth; in the case of Bill Gates a “ticket” to use a pile of wealth greater than the GDP of many counties! For what personal contribution could Gates have made to justify this? What capitalism does is to distort what people get rewarded based on their respective legal and market power, not to accurately reflect rewards based on their real contributions.
What progressive taxation does is attempt, however imperfectly, to redress the above inaccuracy and injustice. To make sure that the people inadequately rewarded under current capitalism get rewarded–directly, in the case of those still living and working, and indirectly, in the case of those who help build before, by rewarding society at-large.
Progressive taxation is an imperfect mechanism, to be sure, and I can think of some things better. But the problem in this world is not that our tax system doesn’t tax rich people enough, and the worst inhumanity contributed by man on man isn’t when rich people pay high taxes.
stewartm
I don’t know what I mean by ‘out of context,’ since the JCT report doesn’t appear to be online. I’m just saying it’s a possibility.
Consider: Jane says $38 billion to extend the cuts for above $250,000 for one year. That should equal about $380 billion for 10 years, right? BUT we’re told by politicians and MSM that the 10 year cost will be $700 billion. What gives?
I thought the $700 billion dollar number was ALL tax cuts, i.e. those under 250K as well, but maybe I’m misremembering. Again.
I read this as putting the GOP on record as being against middleclass tax cuts.
I don’t see why this is a bad thing – your point about rich donors fails since rich donors to Democrats are not against the rich paying a fair share – unless they are just helping Democrats so as to control them – as in blue dogs.
The Take what you can get idea lets every bully win – better is force the issue and get public opinion on your side – that approach has tended to get more wins for progressives during my lifetime than any approach based on get what you can.
The next 30 days will define the Democratic Party for the next 20 years – it should be interesting. I do not have high hopes as I suspect you are correct that Obama will indeed use Pelosi’s excellent (IMO) move to justify a total cave to the GOP – because that is what he wants to do.
Nope. The usual figure cited is *4 trillion* for all over 10 years if all are allowed to expire.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/putting_the_39_trillion_extens.html
And that’s a heckuva hole in the budget.
stewartm
“your comment is awaiting moderator approval”
Why did my comment need mod approval? Have I broken any rules or something?
ETA:
And now my comments aren’t needing moderator approval before showing up?
Weird. How does the system of having comments approved work?
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What stewartm said.
The only explanation I can see for Jane’s new-found pragmatism is that she thinks the “progressive” (scare quotes hers) movement is effectively dead and making a stand for what’s right no longer matters. If so why not fold up FDL and we can all choose individually, heads hung low, the least-bad choice that the corporatocracy will allow us.
Thanks!
I really appreciate the mod response!
I’ll try to get over my butthurt. lol.
I was inspired to post here because I saw Jane on Firedog Lake. I’ve blogged about this on KOS and elsewhere, posted about it on Facebook and tweeted this, emailed this to Democratic Leadership and progressive commentators.
Jane, passing the Bush era tax cuts repeal in the Senate is indeed possible. The strategy is simple, yet party leadership and thought leaders like Jane and Adam Green appear to be ignoring this. Below is what I’ve been been blogging and emailing.
It’s a waste of time to compromise with Republicans. The Lame Duck Congress must prove it’s not lame. The House must pass the repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts for the top two percent and the Senate should use reconciliation to avoid a filibuster. The Bush Tax Cuts were originally passed via reconciliation.
The savings from the cuts’ repeal could then be used as pay-go for extending unemployment benefits. I don’t know if the unemployment benefit extension is deem and pass eligible, but linking them to the repeal may mean reconciliation is a legal tactic.
I hear little talk in the liberal media and blogosphere and zero from the Obama administration and elected officials, about using reconciliation to permit the upper income cuts’ expiration.
The cuts will be extended if deem and pass isn’t employed. The Republicans will definitely filibuster any legislation that doesn’t extend the cuts, if not make them permanent and the Democrats will cave in the game of chicken over the extensions of the middle class tax cuts. The President’s “I didn’t reach across the aisle enough” comment foreshadows Democratic wimpdom on the cuts.
The extension vote may happen soon, so we must immediately contact each Democratic Senator and insist they support reconciliation to repeal the cuts.