A transpartisan coalition on state legislators in New Jersey held a press conference yesterday to announce their intention to seek an end to the TSA’s porno scanner and grope procedures.
Republican Mike Doherty and Democrat Valerie Vaneri Hottell joined Deborah Jacobs, Executive Director of the ACLU of New Jersey to unveil legislation calling on Congress to cancel the program.
Also on hand was Republican Senator Diane Allen, who only recently returned to the job after a bout with breast cancer:
“Those of us who have been through cancer therapy and have had massive amounts of radiation have been told by our doctors not to have any other radiation unless absolutely necessary,” said Allen.
Allen flies frequently. And if she can’t step into the screening machines, she said, “my option is to go through this pat-down where people are having themselves violated.”
As Robert Cruickshank said, this is an important “teaching moment” on the importance of civil liberties:
For nine years Americans have gone along with abrogations of their rights and invasions of their privacy in the name of security. This has not been isolated, but is part of a broader trend of undermining basic rights and legal procedures in the name of anti-terrorism. Whether it’s waterboarding of terrorist suspects, indefinite detentions at Guantanamo Bay, or government spying on peaceful protestors, the basic philosophy has been that rights are secondary to security. As the TSA agent told Tyner, “you gave up a lot of rights when you bought your ticket.”
It’s the TSA who should be investigated here, not John Tyner. As Robert says, “no government agency should have the right to sexually assault a member of the public; our 4th Amendment rights matter deeply.”
It doesn’t seem to matter what side of the aisle you’re on, this is a bridge too far.





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With new “Policy” I know I will not be flying anytime soon. Radiation is after all my CT scans and MRI’s I will not let them subject me to any more radation period. I am even arguaing with my Docs about it, I opted for Ultra sounds instead.
As for a pat down it is groping any way you look at it no way am I going to let some stranger play with my privates! This is wrong at so many levels of violating our constitutional right to privacy.
I opt to not fly and if enough of us do the same the Airlines will hurt and fight to change the rules in our favor!.
Opps Morning Jane ☺ ☺
Heh, well done New Jersey. A far cry from the most recent episode of Boardwalk Empire that I watched last night :)
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Doherty from New Jersey.
What just surprises me is that people of our grandparent’s generation seemed to have a much sharper sense about what was right and wrong when it came to civil rights.
These days, there is an onslaught against basic civil rights, and nobody even blinks about some of these things.
Somebody invents a cool new toy, and they look for ways to put it to use on other people.
Chip, chip, chip go our basic liberties.
Bears repeating. Thanks, Jane & way to go, New Jersey.
I heard some TSA spoogebucket on NPR last evening waxing lyrical about how this was just “so necessary” in order to “protect citizens.” What. a. load. of. bullsh*t.
It’s ONLY and ALL about the corporate overlords making MONEY, lotsa lotsa money. And no, citizens should never have to “give up their rights” simply because they purchase a frickin airplane ticket. SHEESH. What is *wrong* with sheeple who go along with that kind of authoritarian nonsense (mostly a rhetorical question)?? Yet I hear idiots spout this every time I go thru TSA “security” at airports. Dumb, dumber, dumbest.
I think they should extend the system to subways and malls. You never know when a terrorist is going to disguise him or herself as a commuter of a shopper. Only makes sense, and there’s a great market opportunity for security firms. This could replace FIRE as the sector to be in.
I hate to say this, but what kind of a person wants to grope strangers? When I worked at the gym, my least favorite part of the job was “measuring” the ladies. It was kind of ew, if you know what I mean.
Anyone know how the Senate oversight committee hearing went this morning?
What was the chain of events that led to this decision to introduce the groping policy and the scanner boondoggle? On whose ultimate authority was this allowed, in the first place?
Scanner program started in 2005. Aren’t you just surprised?
Good for them! Hopefully this will start a trend and people will say enough is enough. Enough not only of intrusive searches but enough fearmongering about imaginary “terrorists”.
That’s my reaction too but there are plenty of freaks out there who get their jollies not only by groping but by having the power TO grope.
It’s the small things that make life less miserable. :)
Huzzah for NJ!
Daycare centers and churches are ripe breeding grounds for terrorist indoctrination and activity, too…Let’s see what sort of vile foreign subversion lies beneath those cassocks and paint smocks. America needs to be SAFE!
;>)
One of my favorite rhetorical questions recently has been “What would it take to make Americans stand up for themselves?” We’ll see if being fondled by a government employee is enough to get them excited.
What is so shocking to me is that we have taught children for years about inappropriate touching and now they have to allow this to be done to them. It’s awful and it takes the rights of parents to say no away from them.
Yep. Gohmert tried to warn us about those terror babies. It’s only a matter of time before we’ll all be crawling to him on our knees, begging his forgiveness for our lack of faith in his judgment.
A bridge too far is being kind. It’s a bulldozer run too far.
Double Ew. I get my jollies playing the power trip in my garden. :)
The tipping point that puts a stop to ridiculous, overbearing government is always something innocuous, something nobody would suspect would create a backlash. It seems that the “bridge too far” is always a very short bridge.
And I get mine confusing my cat. But we’re hippies, wft do we know?
Make that “wtf”.
Maybe we should start a petition to fix edit.
Every thing!!!
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: Rand Paul’s Deeply Nutty 2009 Interview with Alex Jones Released
Off topic but I just busted tinman over at HuffPo claiming to have voted for Obama. Funny stuff.
I’m not sure the airport scanners will be able to survive a nickname like “gate rape.” I dunno, maybe I’m late to the game on that one.
Don’t get your hopes up. I’ve been waiting for years for BLOCKQUOTE to be the same thing as “blockquote”.
But they wouldn’t listen to reason! And after he had used geometric logic to prove the existence of a duplicate plot by these ‘terror tots’ to eat up America’s strawberries and blame Sarah Palin for it, too.
;>)
The TSA’s new sign.
Just warning everyone, I AM working with my maddox in the gardening. Ah, the power of who lives and who dies. Weeds get the axe. Plus, I get to turn my rock and roll way up (yes, to 11) when I’m outside.
Beautiful weather here.
Watch out for snakes sunning themselves.
That’s perfect !
That IS Funny for the tincan with NO heart!!!
Hmmm. Will she be whispering dirty things in my ear during? That would help.
Pretty good. I liked it!
Good on you. Fool’s got too much time on his hands.
Ah, jeez. I’ll just sic the cat on ‘em. That was a great youtube you posted for SD!
I love that it’s not until security starts infringing on our puritanical sexual beliefs that Americans care about civil liberties.
“eavesdrop on my private conversations, fine; but don’t touch my junk!”
My cat would bolt. Brave thing that she is.
Demi:
I’ve been reading that the change in pat-down procedures was in response (retaliation) to the frequency of flyers opting out of the pornoscans, so they wanted to make the alternative to the pornoscans so uncomfortably obnoxious that flyers would gladly lift their arms and pose for the irradiating pornoscans. Michael Chertoff’s consulting company clients make lots of money only if the pornoscan machines are put in every airport and are used by everyone, so discouraging opt-outs through sexual battery and added delays was primarily a financial decision.
I wouldn’t really send my Piccillo after a snake. But, the hound dog, Brindle, yeah, now we’re talking!
Creepy that someone who looks like Chertoff gets money off this. Just plain wrong. F’ink evil. So much going around these days.
Skeletor’s involved? Not really surprising.
There are probably people who fit that description (more to arrive if the groping requirement remains in place), but since some TSA employees were hired before these measures existed, perhaps some of them would be thankful to us for applying pressure to our government representative to ending the measure. I doubt they feel much power themselves to object to the groping.
Afterall if Tyner is slapped with a $11K fine for refusing to submit, what do you think happens to the TSA employee who refuses, on Constitutional grounds, to perform the gropes?
Reminds me of our soldiers being told to torture because [John Yoo, et al said] it is not torture. What happened to any soldier who tried to disagree?
Boiling frogs is easiest if you start wih the water temp low. They tend to stay in the pot longer if you increase the heat incrementally. The recent flak about Yemen and the ink bombs points to the fact that freight carriers have been resisting the security upgrades that are demanded by TSA. Who stands to make money from forcing these upgrades? Skeletor of course! Gangsters operating on a world stage. Protection? From who? I believe that I have taken my last flight.
That is a great question and I hope someone provides a correct response to it. Not only do we need to be condemning these practices and policies, we also need to vilify and call out those responsible for putting them in place.
That’s fine as long as the scandal itself is not referred to as “gaterapegate”.
I never implied that any or all current TSA employees are freaks. Just that they are out there. Sorry for being unclear.
“Reminds me of our soldiers being told to torture because [John Yoo, et al said] it is not torture. What happened to any soldier who tried to disagree?” Do you know about Lavena Johnson or Johnston, I am not sure which name is correct but she was murdered horribly because she resisted.
The largest (or one of the largest) manufacturer of those machines is his company’s client.
G’ day, Jane. :)
Go New Jersey Legislators and the ACLU! WOO HOO!!
There’s another thing about this. A trained sonogram technician can tell that a patient has had chemotherapy (reference: conversation with sonogram technician, Sibley Hospital, Washington, DC, 2005) by sonographic-histologic correlation as histological changes occur not only in the cancer cells but permanent alterations in the biochemical mechanisms by which normal cells are generated (i.e. “genetic damage”).
For example:
+ “Renal parenchymal disease: sonographic-histologic correlation.” Radiology. 1982 Jul;144(1):141-7.
+ “Ultrasound of the normal kidney: A sonographic, anatomic and histologic correlation.,” Volume 12, Issue 12, Pages 999-1009 (December 1986).
+ “Sonographic evaluation of renal failure.,” American Journal of Kidney Diseases, Volume 35, Issue 6, Pages 1021-1038, June 2000.
Please also note that humanitarian responders in dentistry and other types of medical delivery already have portable imaging technology. The trade-off in using such powerful tools to evaluate a health state is their invasiveness and that there will be some level of damage (hopefully negligible or recoverable) to the system in the process.
So, the detailed scanning at the airport may be able to collect medical data about the individual without their knowledge or consent. Clearly there are ethical considerations about that including the ethics of the detection of disease and health status. We also know that medical insurers have extensive data banks on every American. Presently we have no idea where this data has been warehoused, for how long or where it circulates based upon this news article: “Flashback: Feds saved over 35,000 nude scans from just one Florida courthouse” (by Stephen C. Webster, Nov. 16th, 2010).
Yeah!!!…oops, I think Obama’s leaving the country again… ;> I would imagine that Napolititanic asked for his okay…non ou oui
No doubt to spend in excess of $500,000,000 a day this time.
I read a report from a California university (in San Francisco or San Diego, one of the “Sans”) that the radiation from these scanners is concentrated on the skin. The report was complicated and I understood it to mean that while some x-rays, like a chest x-ray are diffused throughout deep tissue and organs, the backscatter radiation from these machines concentrates the radiation on the surface and just beneath the surface of the skin. This effect could cause a whole different set of risks and potential skin cancers. Additionally, the machines can be calibrated to increase the radiation to give a clearer, more defined image. There were question as to who might have access to these adjustments, and whether a TSA staffer could increase the dose of radiation because they were tired of looking at fuzzy pictures and wanted more clarity. So many questions – so few answers.
Crap!
One last comment plesa, does anyone remember the “explosive detectors” sold to the Iraqui govt by a Brit outfit? Audacity pays! Explosive detectors were painted sticks!
I had to go through the naked scanner last week and it certainly is degrading. Knowing that just about everything the TSA people on site claim is 100% bullshit makes it that much more infuriating. I think it’s time to write to my Senators and demand they post their own full body scans on their official government websites, and require all US Senators, the House, come to think of it, everyone in every branch of the federal government should be forced to pose for them since they think it’s such a great idea. Not that I want to see them.
Kinda makes you wonder if the machines could affect fertility or sperm counts.
Maybe we can have their DNA, retinal scans and psychiatric profiles posted too?
“Julie Andrews Singing Getting to Know You (The King and I)“
Apologies if this has already been posted.
Japanese animation explaining the controversy.
TSA’s enhanced security spurs US ‘airport rage’
http://youtu.be/TBL3ux1o0tM
The study was out of University of California San Francisco
Here is a link that was in the article to a PDF letter:
http://j.mp/cancer-ray.
if that doesn’t work, try:
cancer-ray-opt-out[1].pdf
I’ve replied to suggestions on several threads that I just “drive or take the train” for my travel.
Unfortunately, for those of us stuck on Tropical Alcatraz, that’s not an option.
That’s a good wordplay on the -gate everything ["travelgate," etc.]
Gate-rape-gate.
As long as she stays away from Capitol Hill — particularly the orientation sessions for new Congrescritters — she ought to be okay.
I’m also planning on writing to the Hawaiian Congressional delegation and asking them what they think this draconian policy will do to tourism, when people start refusing to fly.
$$$ is about the only thing that wakes any of ‘em up.
Knut?
One, there is no such thing as 100 percent security. Two, I would rather die a free man than live as a slave, slave to perverts and sex addicts who feel that acting out real live pornographic fantasies is somehow going to save people from the overblown boogeyman that is called terrorism. This has gone on long enough. And I guess you had to have the legislature take the lead on this issue because that fat worthless piece of dogsh*t of a governor is only interested in running for President in 2012, not in actually governing the state of NJ. Let’s just hope that he will quit in two years (if not much sooner) just like Sarah Palin did……………..
Ima try to figure out if there is a psychological difference between people who think their genitals are junk and those who don’t.
I suspect most Americans do not object to others being scanned radiologically or patted-down thoroughly; they object to it being done to them personally. The logic is simple: they know they aren’t terrorists, therefore, they should not be subject to screening. (If they know they are terrorists, they don’t think they should be screened either, because, of course, it spoils their bid for many virgins.) As for everyone else, they should be screened, because, well, *they* could be terrorists.
The only logical solution to put a swift and speedy end to this mess is to punish the airlines by overloading Greyhound, and Amtrak, (if available) or driving to your destinations in your private vehicles. If you buy a plane ticket to anywhere on any American airline, you will be sexually assaulted, it’s that simple……………..
Seems we still have another step to go: one of these slugs (would-be terrorists) is going to smuggle their bomb parts aboard a plane in their body cavities and then… well, you get the idea. Your insurance company will find this profitable, denying coverage for a colonoscopy if you’ve flown in the last ninety days.
Sexually assulting passengers is no solution to the overblown terrorism problem…………….
Don’t fly,period. Unless it’s an emergency, stay home. The airlines will “can the scan” when they see their profits go out the door.
The voice over and text are Chinese. It looks like the originator is owned and operated out of China:
They’ve produced some wickedly funny videos on American politics.
Thank you. It would be great to have the unredacted version.
I think it’s way past time for TSA to be forced to explain precisely how groping all passengers is legal, and how it is effective as a security measure.
Since they can’t justify this policy on any grounds, I’m not holding my breath. I do intend to write to my senators and representative.
I was complaining back when it was just eaves dropping.
I can’t wait for the follow the money blowback from this.
This is why our stimulus didn’t seem to do anything, the money was being wasted on this BS. I bet we could have built a hospital for what these stupid scanners cost. Lord knows we need them.
Why do ya think they give you a lead apron for your genitals when getting chest x-Rays?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/pr/haskell-truth-flight253.html
Surely you remember the xmas day bomber, above is an accounting of what happened before the guy got on the plane.
It sounded to me like it could be very damaging to men’s gonads so sending our boys through those things BEFORE the become fathers would be a very bad idea. (Which actually gives us a criminal motive.)
I got that from info from reading the guys at SF’s report/letter. Let me look up the link, sorry can’t find it.
I was planning a trip to Hawaii that is now on hold.
Maybe that was the link that I posted at # 62 above.
In the past I have said some ugly things about New Jersey. I apologize. It won’t happen again.
I can’t substantiate this at the moment but what if the same OEM/Defense Contractor monopoly that provides the hi-tech medical imaging devices with which the international medical industry is already saturated decides to expand their market– internationally of course– by providing the same if not lower grade equipment to a brand new growth industry, “home land” security (Tyco, telecommunications and other equipment companies definitely lobbied for and positioned themselves to be reap the profits for the dawn of the American security state under Bush 43 [far more reading here]). They create the market through the creation of a new agency then fulfill the new “need” without the safety requirements the public expects in a medical setting. For example, the L-3 Communications’ “ProVision(TM) MMW system” and the “Pro-Vision ATD” look like a GE medical imaging device knock-off reoriented for a walk-through (e.g., browse though “GE Healthcare Products and Solutions“).