To understand how ridiculous the “serious” people are in Washington, and how broken our political debate is, let me draw your attention to the three biggest political stories of the day. Together, they make the clear case that all this so-called concern about the “deficit” is simply a justification the powerful use to attack the middle class.
Tax Cuts for the rich must be extended
We learn the Democrats and President Obama are likely going to fold to Republican demands and extend all the Bush tax cuts. A move that will cost the government hundreds of billions. From the Huffington Post, ”White House Gives In On Bush Tax Cuts”:
President Barack Obama’s top adviser suggested to The Huffington Post late Wednesday that the administration is ready to accept an across-the-board, temporary continuation of steep Bush-era tax cuts, including those for the wealthiest taxpayers.
That appears to be the only way, said David Axelrod, that middle-class taxpayers can keep their tax cuts, given the legislative and political realities facing Obama in the aftermath of last week’s electoral defeat.
[Note: Axelrod has tried to walk this back even though the White House has been signaling the cave in for a long time.]
Three more years of war
We also are hearing rumors Obama plans to spend hundreds of billions to keep troops in Afghanistan for several more years—because, for some reason, we need to prop up a deeply corrupt and unpopular government. From the New York Times, “U.S. Tweaks Message on Troops in Afghanistan”:
The Obama administration is increasingly emphasizing the idea that the United States will have forces in Afghanistan until at least the end of 2014, a change in tone aimed at persuading the Afghans and the Taliban that there will be no significant American troop withdrawals next summer.
In a move away from President Obama’s deadline of July 2011 for the start of an American drawdown from Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all cited 2014 this week as the key date for handing over the defense of Afghanistan to the Afghans themselves.
Ignore that other stuff because we must cut the middle class’s Social Security, Medicare and veteran’s benefits.
Finally while we are told by the “serious” people that we need to completely ignore those two massive expenditures, we are also told we must really consider Alan Simpson’s and Erskine Bowles’ plan to cut social security, Medicare, soldiers’ pay and veterans’ benefits to get “serious” about the deficit. From the New York Times Editorial page, ”Some Fiscal Reality”:
The draft proposal by the chairmen of President Obama’s deficit-reduction commission was a welcome antidote to the low-minded debate that dominated the midterm elections, in which politicians all vowed to reduce the deficit but offered no credible plans.
The proposal, released Wednesday, comes from Erskine Bowles, formerly the chief of staff for President Bill Clinton, and Alan Simpson, the former Republican senator from Wyoming. It frankly acknowledges what most politicians are too cowardly to admit — that deficit reduction will require shared sacrifice.
Always more money for everyone–except the middle class
There is always more money for extending a decade-long war without point or objective. There are always billions to pay for tax cuts for millionaires. But it is time we start asking regular Americans to sacrifice to reduce our deficit. The absurdity of our political debate would be funny if it weren’t so real, so painful, and so seemingly effective. Seriously.




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I guess we will now find out how many jobs depend on war.
Idiocy. Pure, unadulterated idiocy.
Yeah, let’s tell veterans on VETERANS DAY that they haven’t already sacrificed enough
I would say let the imopeachment hearings begin, except i think the WH would actually welcome that. It would give the press another huge side show and make Obama a more sympathetic figure for many.
Oh and when Axe cried Hacks reporting backs tax ax for rich, he also indicated his desire to flirt with some teabaggers. Dude, they’ll show you some leg, get you to bend over for them, but they won’t call you in the morning. They will punk you.
He doesn’t even see it coming.
Did anybody else notice that the report from the catfood commission doesn’t even bring up the idea of taxing Wall Street speculation, trading, etc? Big surprise. That has a tendency to happen when you put the outlaws in charge of the bank.
thanks Jon.
this was my opening status on FB this morning
really, I continue to shake my head and wonder how these messaging clowns ever got anyone elected
Those of you young enough to immigrate to another country should do so.
I disagree. He surrounded himself with Republicans and has diminished progressives at every opportunity.
We have massive debt. Debt comes with conditions. Our owners want the war in Afghanistan. They want the tax cuts for the wealthy (themselves). Our owners want an end to Social Security and Medicare.
The President is doing the job he’s being paid to do for the people who matter.
My head aches. My heart aches. I have been going nuts at the economic idiocy, just about to the point of escapism, ever since O took office. I expected it from W, and also, given my low opinion of O, I expected some of it from him. But not the brazen order of magnitude of the theft from the middle class that he’s perpetrating.
Emigrate to. Immigrate from.
Sure more money for War but those who fight those wars are asked to pay more for everything and get no raises. Their health care slashed and slashed. Brings back the phrase “Cannon Fodder”. When used thrown away!! All this and the rich get a major tax break.
FUCK bring back the tax rate Ike had and DO IT NOW!! It’s our money and we want it now!! Fuck the rich they have way too much of it already
Everyone who can a place to immigrate to should do so.
Nobody is going to give a disabled guy residency.
I can’t help but notice that absent from this conversation are the people who until very recently used to come around here and call us firebaggers and whine about how Obama had to do what the Republicans wanted him to do because his already enormous majorities aren’t enormous enough. Where are the people who used to rip on us for having the temerity to criticize St. Obama?
Will the last person to leave please turn out the lights.
Offering martinis all around.
Heh. The only one I merember is oldgold. Next time s/he shows up, I intend to rub it in bigtime.
He’s not doing anything, and that’s the point. The process began in earnest when the bankers called in their chits at the end of W’s term. His non-action to end what is happening allows the new status quo to continue.
He’s not demanding an end to the tax cuts.
He’s not demanding an end to the wars.
He’s not demanding the preservation of Social Security.
He’s not demanding the shoring up of Medicare.
He’s not prosecuting the bankers.
It’s as if someone representing our owners sat down with the man and explained what has been done in secret to obligate the nation. It’s as if the President looked at it and blanched.
I have come to believe the Republican party espouses the dictates of our owners. The Democrats put up sufficient protest to pacify the people for a time, extending the illusion of democracy. At some point, the owners say, “enough is enough” and our “public servants” capitulate.
So, it looks like my personal responsibility, pull-myself-up-by-my-bootstraps without any help from anybody plan for Life in This New America is to a) get rich and b) stay out of the military.
Anyone got any suggestions for Lotto numbers?
Hiding out some where else.. I don’t think very many will do anything but LURK! Although a few have shown up in earlier threads. Heartless bastards!!
How ya doing today Peg? Hope all is well with you ☺
Yep. Obama is great at making speeches. leading…not so much.
GO DEMS!
w00t!
“President Sarah Palin!”
r u skeert yet?
Well, I THINK if I’m enormously careful and don’t give out any Xmas gifts and IF it doesn’t get too cold, I MIGHT make it through December without having to dig into my savings. Will be starting 2011 with zippo though, barring some miracle. I know, sounds like I’m complaining but trust me, that’s good news.
How ’bout you? :)
Absolutely not true. O is actively perpetrating the theft. He appointed the CC & set the rules. He’s the one who who actively accelerated the warz and spread them to other countries. He’s the one who designed the HCR fraud with secrud meeting with PhRMA & insurance. Etc., etc., etc.
O is actively evil, nothing passive about him.
Even his speeches now suck. No one wants hear any more of his bullshit.
At least with Sarah we can count on comic relief and that she’ll quit after 2 years to cash in. Better than what we’ve got.
Been sayin’ his speeches suck ever since his Nobel one, the short version of which is ‘war is peace.’
Impeach obama already. Probably to the point where even that would do no good.
Remember the looks on the faces of the people walking up that huge concrete ramp to the New Orleans Superdome and dark clouds in the sky above them
Yeah. They sorta lose their charm when you knows it all bullshit don’t they? Surprisingly much more so than when one just suspects it.
Besides the martinis, I can offer everyone comfort food: pork shoulder with sauerkraut over smashed potatoes. Plenty of that to go around.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if Democrats in the House are serious about not extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich all they have to do is – NOTHING.
If they do nothing then ALL the tax cuts expire. I hereby give House Democrats permission to let my portion of the Bush tax cuts expire.
Until Jan 3, 2011 the Democrats can bring whatever they want up for a vote. Or they can bring nothing up for a vote.
I understand Nancy Pelosi is supposed to be one of the “good ones” around here, but the simple truth is if she doesn’t want the tax cut extended she has the power to let them lapse.
Any money on what she will do?
And where exactly does the expiring Bush estate tax repeal stand in all of this. Funny how it’s never mentioned that that too is expiring this year.
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On what grounds? I mean, you can tell I detest the man but let’s get real. If stealing from the poor and middle class was grounds for impeachment, every president from Reagan on would have a prison number.
You’re not wrong. I, for one, would rather see my taxes increase than have more money thrown at the rich people.
This has been the plan from the beginning….Too bad the people Obama is going to need to stay in office in 2012 are fleeing him in droves…I think he is under the impression that we are going to come back to him because the alternative is going to be a far right repug or Him…I am willing to go with someone who at least has some ball reguardless if I disagree with them or not over a slimmy snake who shifts with the wind….
At least with Repuks,,We know what they are going to do,,its going to be a free for all and you better get debt free fast….
But with the dems, it seems like its hide the dog shit time…Look over there…
And if I hear one more time about Harry Reid being a fighter, I am going to puke
For myself, I’ll never vote for another Republican but the Democrats are fast driving me into never voting for them again either. Green Party here I come.
Perhaps that’s the avenue liberals/progressives should take then?
Start a drive to try and force the House to just let them lapse?
Maybe a petition along the lines of:
Unlike Conrad and the Catfood Commission I’m willing to put my tax break where my mouth is – RAISE MY TAXES NOW NANCY!
It might not be popular, but at least it’s honest.
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Hanging in there. Glad we have a wood burner been in the 30′s at night…
This whole fucking crap that is going is getting my blood pressure boiling. I won’t be affected by the SS cuts but the mortgage deduction and VA changes will reek havoc on us. I already have co-pays for my Meds and they are proposing co-pays for visits.fuck.fuck.fuck. Like I said it makes my blood boil…
Best of luck Peg and sure DO hope you find work.
i think that’s a great idea.
1. Ordered assassination of US citizens
2. Warrantless wiretapping
3. Geneva violations: continued torture, holding combatants without trial, drone strikes on civilian weddings and schools
4. Birth certificate
5. $200,000,000/day trip to Asia
Any bets on which ones Darrell Issa picks for articles of impeachment?
Expect them by June at the latest.
The only reason Obama called himself a Democrat was because he knew he’d never go anywhere in Chicago calling himself a Republican. Period.
Re: Margaret @32. How about all the crimes bushco perpetrated are either being continued or put on steroids with this administration. Clinton was impeached over a. Blow job. I’m sure the tealiban can think of something. At least it would keep them from other things like the final nail in the middle class coffin.
I agree but it wouldn’t fly because Bush did all those things. And you and I know that 4 and 5 are just silly.
If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. Cheap.
Which is why 4 and 5 are the most likely to be used for impeachment
Now if that were SOUR BRATTEN I would consider some o ☺ ☺
Well, pshaw on you.
I much prefer what I’m making.
Off to finish it. BBL.
Do you really think that if somebody in congress presents articles of impeachment Obama is going to say “Oh gee! I’d better not do anything to piss liberals off now”? Please.
What does a nation look like that has allowed its corporations and elites to invest overseas, move production overseas, and set up corporate headquarters or subsidiaries overseas to avoid paying taxes, all the while spending over a trillion dollars over the last decade murdering and robbing people overseas? It looks like what we see in the US today. And the response of “our leaders” to this downward domestic financial spiral? Increase war spending and cut social programs. Sisters and brothers, we are fucked.
Better than half a dozen years ago I remember hearing a very angry blue collar guy—and as it turns out, prophet—react to the condescension and ridicule he was getting from folks in the middle class in regard to his alarmist attitude toward his declining socioeconomic fortunes. This was before the Tea Party, but he was the demographic. He said, “Laugh all you want at me, but the middle class is next. Pretty soon it’s going to be your ass too, and then it won’t be so fucking funny!”
“. . . simply a justification the powerful use to attack the middle class.” Yup.
We expect tired and failed laissez-faire from Simpson, for he rubberstamped the entire Reagan/Bush Error.
Golly, if we cut taxes on the most wealthy prosperity will Trickle Down. And banks, health insurers and oil drillers will, uhm – police themselves! Cut government!
Bowles by contrast, is just soiling himself here.
– Balkingpoints / www
“Insanity” is right. I am still in shock that this commission can recommend cutting SS by 70% and be taken serious. I scares the bejesus out of me.
Seeing where the country has headed the last few years, I have been toying with the idea. Maybe it is time to be serious…
FYI You do know it was Dubya that had that document law changed. Old style hospital birth certificates were made illegal by Dubya. He wanted higher tech documents. Special forgery proof paper like most states have done with car titles.
Serious consideration must be given to Obama as one of our worst presidents. Quite an accomplishment after only 2 years.
I agree with you totally.
Yesterday I commented that I am retired and on a fixed income. I substitute three days a week to pay for my wife’s med copay on 12 meds that she needs.
I too would like to see the tax cuts expire and let the Repubs eat their threats.
And if you mention “Class Warfare” the Pukes go ballistic. We have to SCREAM that they are already waging this class warfare for the rich. When are the teabags, Becks minions and Limpdick’s crowd going to wake up and see reality??
I know I know it will never happen they are nothing but sheeple. So it is up to us progressives to spread the Truth as happens here at the Lake and many other lefty Blogs.
They smell blood. It will be interesting in a sick sort of way to watch the Republicans humiliate this spineless empty suit over the next two years.
Manifest INSANITY!
(Methinks you probably missed the sarcasm Teddy was showing with those last two points)
A gas tax is regressive. It hits the working class the hardest. If we didn’t live in a suburban country, sure, but I don’t think raising the gas tax when people have not seen their wages rise in a generation is the best we can do. Also, the you can’t incentivize millions of Americans to buy taxes and then take away their tax credit. Take it away for second homes, but not primary homes. That idea is DOA at any rate.
This is the reason I voted Green in the last election. I knew Obama would cut Social Security to extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and I knew he had no intention of starting the exodus from Afghanistan in 2011.
If I had voted for him I would be sick with myself. Today, I’m only sick of him.
for the republican tea baggers to claim that they want to cut spending and have small government while prosecuting multiple wars and giving never ending subsidies (tax cuts) to the rich is like someone who says they want to lose 30 pounds while at the same time shoveling in great slabs of cherry cheesecake. do you believe their professed sentiments or their actions?
AND I’m willing to $acrifice the burning Bushs to Paraguay, Cheney to Qatar and Obameh to Kenya, Indonesia or wherever, Right NOW!
Not from a progressive standpoint, that’s a fact.
It just strikes me that the behavior we are witnessing is that of someone who is leading. He’s leading the nation in a direction it doesn’t want to go in, but is obligated to.
It’s as if there are secret documents specifying remedies for default, and we’ve defaulted in secret. It’s as if, knowing there are no alternatives, Obama’s doing what he believes he must.
It’s as if we’re all being blackmailed by proxy.
Think about Bush and Clinton. Both acted as if they knew what we’re slow to accept: We don’t call the shots here anymore.
I ask myself, “What is the connection between all of these repugnant events? Who profits from these travesties and who’s driving the agenda?”
I just had a thought:
The mainstream media frightens the public. It’s doing yeoman’s work passing off lies and distortions as truth. When their on-air pundits bellow, frightened people respond, ready to defend the false status quo. They are the machine the Wizard of Oz used to frighten Dorothy and her friends.
The Tea Party? Winged monkeys if ever I saw ‘em.
We have an extensive spy network. Every bit of data passing though critical data centers on the internet is scanned. Why did Rim have to capitulate in the Middle East? Nations spy on all of us. That extensive network has to be the crystal ball of the Wicked Witch of the West.
Democrats promise populism but since Reagan they’ve practiced neoconservative politics. Promises made don’t translate into concrete action. They are obfuscating, not leading. They could well be represented by the screen shrouding the Wizard of Oz.
Republicans in particular (both parties in fact) do the bidding of the corporations feeding them. They ignore the public, disdain social programs, and live in a stratosphere above the law. They adore pomp and circumstance. “Rules for others, not us” is their motto. They are perhaps the bureaucrats and doormen of the Wizard of Oz.
Private military contractors act in secret. Their corporations are super-citizens, allowed to carry weapons and murder at will. They are the private guards of the Wizard of Oz.
The Munchkins were the ignorant laborers of Oz. Economic slaves. They did all of the work to make Oz pretty. They are anyone who toils for our owners in order to earn a buck.
Who is Dorothy today? We are. Toto? FDL comes to mind. Remember Toto pulled back the curtain on the wizard. The Tin Man? The Scarecrow? The Cowardly Lion? Auntie Em? Her friends who all were there with her in Oz? The latter were completely lost in the system in Oz, but stuck with Dorothy through thick and thin. Perhaps the metaphor represents unions.
Is the CIA our Wicked Witch of the West with the winged monkeys and the crystal ball?
Who is the Wizard today? He had all of the wealth but none of the answers. Exposed as a fraud, he admitted he had a balloon she could use to get back to Oklahoma, full of hot air. It failed, too.
Only Glenda, the Good Witch had the answer. Dorothy (and Toto, too) could leave any time she wanted to. It turns out, all one ever had to have was an honest desire to go home again.
And a pair of ruby slippers.
That movie and those books were awesome.
Obama is driving the nails in the American middle class’s coffin, which Bush and his predecessors put us in.
Next, Obama will be put us in the ground and tell us all is for our own good.
For more news and commentary, check out http://thebondproject.blogspot.com/ and The Bond Project.
Re: 47
No that isn’t what I think. If the pukes are busy with impeachment maybe they won’t be trying to steal SS and Medicare. Probably wishful thinking. I’m still trying to figure out what is going to happen with my developementally delayed son when they take the little bit of money he gets. Which sure as shit isn’t enough for him to even pay rent. Not naieve just to horrible to think what they are going to do. I knew O was going to be a disaster but I never dreamed it would be the dems that take SS.
He is only doing what our owners expect him to do. Nothing more or he’d be a Republican. Nothing less or he’d be collateral damage.
No President is the problem. The system is corrupt as hell, and has been so since the day the nation became someone’s private property.
Who have we borrowed money from again? Bankers, was it? How much is that debt again? Can’t possibly repay it, you say?
Still, there has to be a breaking point. We are seeing a bit of it in the Tea-Party movement. In 2014 we will have been 11 years at expensive war; the unemployment will not go down, and will probably rise as the states lay off people, and the unemployed cut their expenditures even more. There is also the fact that higher unemployment means a bigger deficit, and somebody out there has to finance it.
It seems to me that this circle can’t be squared. There has to be a breaking point. We just don’t know when and how it will break. Since fascism is a more likely outcome than any alternative, it would be wise to look for a lifeboat. If you have adult kids, get them into Australia, Canada, or New Zealand, so they can get you out if you have to leave. I’m keeping room for my nieces and nephews.
Hopefully Issa will find something to impeach his sorry ass. I am going to call my senator and find out where he stands on this.
way way more corrupt now than even the clinton years. It has accelerated.At least then they didn’t steal so much money and had some semblance of a budget. Now it’s almost beyond the point of no return.
He will, if we fold….He needs to be booted from the WH..as you probably know by now he is not reliable,he will sell ya out in a minute to appease the GOP.
The danger is letting this jerk be Prez for another 4 yrs. he has no commitment to any cause but the rich.
Folks I am not buying that the WH had no idea the Cat food chairs would drop this report at this time.Obama is a coward,this was calculated to come out now,when he is overseas so he wouldn’t have to face the “music”.
Tell me again why we were supposed to support the team and get out the votes for Dems. or else we were just being childish and cutting off our noses to spite our faces. Ah, those were good days am I right?
But–no time to look back right now, let’s all move forward and watch our party collapse into the abyss that the Republicans just crawled out of thanks to the ladder that Obama threw them.
Maybe they’ll throw us a ladder too since we’ve been so nice to them and given them endless wars, tax breaks and cuts to Social Security. That’s how it works, isn’t it? We give them what they want and then they are nice to us. I certainly hope that after all this “compromise” that the Republicans will be nice to us otherwise what was the point?
Go Dems!
Someone here said this:
“I can’t help but notice that absent from this conversation are the people who until very recently used to come around here and call us firebaggers and whine about how Obama had to do what the Republicans wanted him to do because his already enormous majorities aren’t enormous enough. Where are the people who used to rip on us for having the temerity to criticize St. Obama?”
Well, here I am. And I never thought of Obama as a Saint or “The Messiah”.
So here you all are, blogging, working hard to be smarter than the previous post.
I was around back during the violence against blacks during desegregation. Did I sit on my behind and whine? NOpe – back then we were brave enough to risk our lives for desegregation and the end of the Vietnam War.
I was also around when JFK and MLK were murdered. I was in DC when it was burning and the National Guard stood on every street with their assault weapons, and there was a curfew so noboy could go out except for a few hours in the day.
I remember back then that a lot of liberals were terrified that JFK would allow the USSR to blow up America. Sissies in other words. It didn’t happen obviously. And JFK did NOT start the War in Vietnam. That was Ike.
Now I read that the most assasination attempts against a president ever are aimed at Obama.
I pay attention to the righties. I’ve seen a lot of leftie blogs and outlets used by the crazies on the right to use it against him and the Democratic Party.
There are plenty of things that Obama has dont that is wrong. But he is NOT BUSH. You want Newt Gingrich to be president? Or Vitter? Or Ron Paul? Or Palin?
Meanwhile where are you? Out protesting on the rampants like we did? Oh, no, just blogging blogging bloggin. Don’t want to get hurt, eh? Don’t want your hair messed up? GET A SPINE.
If blogs like this encourage the assassination of yet another Democrat, how will you feel then?
I can tell you how I’d feel: I don’t think I could get over yet another Democrat being murdered because of ugly lies from the right. And yet you are helping them.
it seems like we need war for them to make money, even at an entire nations economic peril
most of you have seen zeitigeist, this is the segment on war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sljjNb8dGs8
Why can’t we have an honest President?
A person must be a pathological duplicitous liar to get the job?
Einstein must have been thinking of Progressives when he said doing the same thing over & over but expecting a different result is insanity. Expect from Obama only what you’d expect from Clarence Thomas, were he President & you won’t be disappointed.
Clarence Thomas married a white woman.
He’s ashamed to be black.
At least NY Times readers aren’t falling for their paper’s editorial bullshit:
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/opinion/11thu1.html
yes
with a democratic majority in either house it is FAR less likely we get republican crap rammed down our throat
yes, obama IS bush, yes he IS reagan, he is WORSE because he does it under the guise of being a democrat so he gets people like you saying it’s not so bad
I don’t recall seeing you around here before kittywells so welcome.
But for the record, please allow me to address a few of your points.
First and foremost, NO one here is in any way shape or form encouraging an assassination of anyone, Democrat or Republican. In fact, discussion of such violence is pretty much expressly forbidden here.
Many of the individuals who comment here are within your age group and went through many of the same experiences you did, so to assume that you are unique in this without knowing anything of us, is just a bit presumptuous.
Obama may not be Bush, yet he has managed to maintain many of the very worst policies of the Bush Admin including warrantless wiretapping, covering up torture, continuing and even escalating the wars.
And as many will point out “He’s not as crazy as the other options from the Rs” is not a particularly good campaign theme. He has continually turned to the right and catered to the right. We most of us recognize that they would hate him, regardless of his policies (which are often Republican policies as he has admitted), so we wonder why he doesn’t stand up and fight for things if he is going to be fought by the Republicans anyway.
balley
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_first_said_the_definition_of_insanity_is_to_do_the_same_thing_over_and_over_and_expect_different_results
Who first said the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results?
The answer isn’t really known but current consensus is that it came from the author Rita Mae Brown in her book Sudden Death on Pg. 68 from 1983.
Quote: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.”
Most people will attribute this quote to Albert Einstein but there is no evidence to suggest that he made this statement.
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Hey, guess what – you are wrong!
He may or may not be ashamed to be black, but his choice of spouse has fuck all to say about it.
How can it actually be the Republicans who are the problem? They own nothing. They are pawns, just as the Democrats and the Tea Party folks are. They just prefer their incomes have lots of zeros after a curly number.
They aren’t our owners. Neither, when you think about it, are the corporations.
Everyone owes the banks. They own everything here. Even the Saudis and the Chinese ultimately pay their dues to play in this high-stakes game they can’t completely control. It must be quite a rush.
What are the political persuasions of the bankers we are most indebted to? They’re all pacifist, socialist, green energy folks, right?
Here we are in an utterly bankrupt nation boasting the world’s mightiest armies. Our military budget is phenomenal. You’d think we could just tell the bankers to shove it, wouldn’t you?
Ah, but we import everything. They’ve already laid siege to us financially. Do they really need to remind all of us that we are blessed with what we have because they own us and showed a bit of mercy over the years?
OK, that American Revolution thing over scrip versus the mighty Bank of England didn’t work out quite as planned, and although it took a bit of doing, they believe they’ve finally gotten the situation well under control with the colonies. You’d think the Civil War would have taught them all a lesson, but no. Sorry, Mr. Lincoln. No scrip allowed.
We modern-day socialist hippies here in America with our Social Security and our Medicare, not to mention our demands to earn a living wage and our distaste for wars without reason, just pissed them off so they’re doing what they’ve always done. They lend at advantage, demand repayment, dictate when repayment is impossible, wage war, profit, plunder and move on. If we don’t want to play the game by the rules, they reserve the right to change the rules of the game. At any time. Like now, for example.
We’re still in the plunder phase. There appears to be some usefulness to our military. Otherwise, they’d have accelerated the plundering and moved on already.
I’m hoping someone disagrees with me and rebuts my points vigorously. I really don’t want to be right about something, for once.
Thank you. I was about to comment, but you’ve echoed my sentiments.
Welcome to a place where action happens, kittywells. Sometimes, even on the web.
I may have got my quote wrong on einstein, but I’ve got my FACTS right on Obama. :>))
My point is, Progressives aren’t going to influence Obama in the slightest. So, why not work like heck during the lame duck session to pressure the Dem. Congress to put Bills on Obama;s desk & dare him to veto them! Congress is SUPPOSED to be a separate branch of Gov’t., not the President’s chorus. This Dem. Congress can do a LOT in the next 40 days. If they choose not to, they should held accountable in 2012 for their actions & inactions.
It’s not about their wives, it’s about their selling their souls (& ours) to be welcomed into a club that WOULDN’T otherwise let them in the door.
that’s a good post right there
however as far as your question, would I rather a republican in office with this democratic legislator, the answer there is yes, a politician we knew was a republican could not have possibly gotten away with the crap our republican president calling himself a democrat got away with
This one is particularly enlightened:
C.T.
New York State
November 11th, 2010
11:55 am
I have tried to deal with only one area of the report in which I have made myself proficient: Social Security. There is only a need to eliminate the FICA cap on taxes to the Fund. That would solve the 1.9% shortfall anticipated to occur in 2037. There is absolutely no financial reason to raise the retirement age to 69 and to raise the early retirement age to 65. There is no financial reason to artificially lower middle and upper income benefits levels and no reason to downward adjust future COLAs. The Social Security program is solvent and is constructed so that it never accrues any debt. The changes being proposed today are political and are correctly interpreted by workers as breaking a contract you made with them.
Yes, and the government made war on the people with COINTELPRO. Now we have an even more powerful Secret Police National Security State, that is again bringing the wars home. There is a new COINTELPRO that this President is using to oppress freedom to protect war profiteers.
The President has created some jobs, to support his criminal wars. Just the same as Chimpie.
Of course not. He’d have his Cheney frighten and his Rove sling mud. Who’d notice?
I don’t recall seeing you around here before kittywells so welcome.”
Thank you.
“But for the record, please allow me to address a few of your points.
First and foremost, NO one here is in any way shape or form encouraging an assassination of anyone, Democrat or Republican. In fact, discussion of such violence is pretty much expressly forbidden here.”
I understand that but as I said a lot of crazy righties use blogs like this to increase the hatred against Obama. So you are encouraging assassination indirectly.
“Many of the individuals who comment here are within your age group and went through many of the same experiences you did, so to assume that you are unique in this without knowing anything of us, is just a bit presumptuous.”
Okay, I apologize to those who are around my age. I wonder if they remember this: LBJ was a war criminal, but without him, we wouldn’t have the Civil Rights Act. And better: because of that war we no longer have the draft, that added the hellishness of the war.
JFK cut the taxes of the rich from 90% to 70%.
“Obama may not be Bush, yet he has managed to maintain many of the very worst policies of the Bush Admin including warrantless wiretapping, covering up torture, continuing and even escalating the wars.”
He hasn’t escalated the war in Iraq. He has escalated the war in AFghanistan. I’m not sure about how bad the war in AFghanistan is, though. When I heard that the Taliban eliminated all music, and seeing those women in the worst burkhas in the world, it made me sick. Eliminating music is like eliminating our souls.
“And as many will point out “He’s not as crazy as the other options from the Rs” is not a particularly good campaign theme. He has continually turned to the right and catered to the right. ”
Turned to the right but not always. He worked hard to get the health program passed despite the Republicans. Is it perfect? Not my any means. But it is the first time in America’s history that ANY health bill passed. And it even got the Repubicans to admit for the first time that Americans have a right to health care.
“We most of us recognize that they would hate him, regardless of his policies (which are often Republican policies as he has admitted), so we wonder why he doesn’t stand up and fight for things if he is going to be fought by the Republicans anyway.”
Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn’t. And there’s a difference between hating him and assassinating him.
~~~Mod Note: Please discontinue the use of the rhetoric on assassination. FDL strongly discourages even speculation on this topic~~~
patrickhenrypress
Thanks! I’m glad to be here.
I’ve got to go, but I’ll be back!
In that sense I agree, but don’t you suspect Obama of being in that club, too?
Or, for that matter, any number of working class white people being seduced by right wing politics.
So Obama wants to spend 100′s of billions on furthering the war in Afghanistan…then cut the benes to the vets.
Why do they fight? For whom?
Great News! I’ve figured it out. First, let all of the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone on December 31st 2010. THEN… implement a payroll tax holiday to offset middle class tax hikes until unemployment comes down to 6%. Happy New Year no need to worry about that anymore.
THEN: 1. Raise the payroll tax contribution rate to $250,000 over twenty years and mean test pay-outs. 2. Save on veterans costs by no more wars. 3. Bring our troops home and cut our bases overseas. Ron Paul should be able to help me on this one? 4. Raise corporate and capital gains taxes BUT implement a tax deferral system so long as the money is invested in clean, green jobs in America. 5. Cut defense by about what the Def. Com. has proposed two hundred billion. 6. Raise minimum wage and continue EITC. Pass the public option. 7. Redesign the tax system to reward work by implementing a V.A. tax system that is in balance with new expenditure limits. Balanced and vital, the middle class is saved!
Muchas gracias por eso.
If it’s a choice between Obama and Palin, I will vote for Palin.
I am so done with Obama.
So much for Medicare and Medicaid. Unfortunately, what you are calling a “health Care Bill” was in fact a directed payment to the insurance companies with no cost controls. It pretty much forces people to purchase a product with high deductibles and co-pays that they then cannot afford to use.
Sorry, but most of us here have been in fact paying very close attention to the actions of the administration and not just the rhetoric used. While the words have often been of a progressive nature, the actions have been far from progressive.
That is the guaranteed destruction of Social Security for it then becomes just another welfare program. And once it is perceived as purely a welfare program, it will be killed entirely.
A plan! And housing and feeding the poor and homeless that every society has. Where is that plan? Totally agree with your think. Should we all have RVs for emergency housing. What assests will retain there value? Some have started hoarding gold.
When Jeb’s placeholder does anything that the bushes don’t approve let me know.
Nice rant, but respectfully disagree with
He is Bush but with a marginally higher I.Q. Other than that, no difference.
The U.S. plutocracy is looking more and more like the aristocrats in Louis XVI’s court at Versailles. It didn’t end well for the aristocrats and the plutocrats should take note.
Absolutely spot on. The Catfood Commission is Obama’s Nixon to China opportunity.
Dang. It’s 1975 all over again.
Not to knock holes in your ideas, good that they are, but…
It’s unfortunate an RV is useless without gas, and you probably won’t be able to afford any in the worst-case scenario, if there are any deliveries to the poor.
And gold isn’t exchangeable without bankers, in practical terms. Unless you have Fort Knox, you’ll literally eat it all buying food during hyperinflation, anyway. It weighs a LOT, so you’d not likely be walking around with gold bars to pay for food, anyway.
There are survival skills we could all stand to learn. But none of them enrich Glenn Beck.
It was proposed by the Deficit Reduction Commission. The means testing is for the upper income brackets. Your comment is a valid concern and we would do well to remember it. Vigilance is essential for our survival.
But you’re both missing my point, which I obviously didn’t state well.
An activist President would have acted swiftly and decisively on behalf of the people. He did not. The activism he espoused prior to entering office disappeared in a puff of gun smoke, replaced by this passive-aggressive presidency.
He was for the public option before he was against it.
He was for bringing the troops home before he was against it.
He was for holding the former administration accountable before he was against it.
And on, and on.
His inaction on the issues that mattered was famous. Health “care” reform, for example, was essentially left to Congress. He sat back and failed to lead. Instead, he essentially extended the status quo, rubber stamping reforms he well knew were tepid at best. The only “action” with regard to his alleged base he’s evidenced happened when he took the time to insult progressives who demanded action.
If by your comments you mean he’s been active in maintaining the interests of the owners of the United States, well you’re right about that. He cuts a mighty swath on the dance floor in his tux, and they do admire a handsome man in a tux.
I lived in a RV for 10 year drove it very little. It is a shelter if you lose your housing. We have a large homeless population on the streets of this county with 13 school children. For many the housing crisis has been ongoing for years. So bad HUD has over 350 programs to end chronic homelessness. We do not live in a poor country, just have a large impoverished population. Just pointing out some facts. One of the local plan is to feed and house the homeless and tave 60o5 of their SSI check to save for a rental payment. It is pretty gruesome.
The U.S. public policy for solving the housing crisis is reality TV home makeovers. It even works with schools now days. Entertaining too.
Everything you have said has received extensive and repeated discussion here. Before you accuse us of harboring certain b eliefs, or failing to notice certain points, hang around and read awhile.
You have raised nothing we regulars don’t already know.
In particular, LOTS of us are over 60, even more over 50; many, many of us were in the streets in tehe 60′s and’70′s; we have discussed the LBJ war/civil rights paradox in many contexts; and most important: Quite a few of us here have been in the streets in the last 8 to 10 years, too.
What we have also discussed is how often we have participated in demos, actions, etc etc and received no press coverage, therefore, nobody, including you, knows about them. If nobody knows about them, they have no influence.
Now, perhaps you can re-calibrate your opinion of us and carry on a useful discussion. If so, welcome.
(And I’m also old enought to remember the singer, Kitty Wells)
I AGREE!
Nice retort ☺ ☺ And I also remember (:>|)!!!
Shit I guess that shows my age….
Still listening to Kitty. Shit I had forgot her great to hear her again and me a DFH rock & Roll nut… sheesh…
uhhh, cuz the military wont let them out
Not nearly as silly as a blue dress from the Gap with semen stains on it.
Now THAT was silly!
It would beat a tent. Or a doorway. I’ve driven an RV once before. I don’t have 10 years of experience, but I’d never seen a gas gage drop so rapidly before that day. If someone offered me a free vacation in one if I’d pay for the gas, I’d just laugh.
One plus for the desperate: there are a lot of empty houses. Squatting is an alternative for those bold enough to try.
I believe the housing crisis could be instantly abated. No one can prove ownership of a great deal of property being foreclosed on and auctioned by banks. That property should immediately be given away as land grants or acquired by the state as shelter for the public.
President Obama is doing his damnedest to be a one-term president, don’t you think?
But there is no need to be concerned about President Obama’s future, or Michelle’s, or the future of any of the Blue Dog conservatives in his administration. After January 2013, they’ll all be able to find lucrative-paying jobs with Wall Street and multi-national firms, making top dollar, enjoying all these proposed tax cuts and tax breaks for the wealthiest. I mean, this is all that Washington D.C. is about nowadays, isn’t it, everyone (whether Democrat or Republican) planning or passing legislation for their golden-parachute years following their years as a “public servant,” and to hell with the rest of the countr, with conservative Republicans being the worst, but the conservative Blue Dog Democrats being not far behind?
Oops! Thanks.
Obama should resign he has no idea what leadership calls for he gives away the store before talks begin EXAMPLE public option took it off the table now Tax Cuts for the rich willing to give the Repuks a victory with out making them tell the public why it’s more important to increase the deficit than cutting it. and these cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years if cutting taxes means jobs as the repuks claim where are the Jobs???
You’re looking in the wrong country.
We were warned about this guy. The Republicans just did a rope-a-dope. Better to concede control for two years knowing they’d have full control within 4 years.
All this deficit talk is just to convert Middle Class to the Poor Class and remove the only thing remaining between Human dignity and life on the streets for old people. Take every proposal and ask a simple question to yourself. Does it convert Middle Class to Poor Class. Answer to yourself will be a resounding Yes.
On the up-side though there will be millions more for the turkey dole-out charity event during thanksgiving from the commission sponsors if they survive the whole year long then amid Great Depression conditions.
We did not see any MSM prepping work as in other recent reform works and People are already smart about Public Option bait.
So the route will be the old familiar shock and awe trick used 2 years back as read recently in some posts. Crash the Dow in next few weeks with the already finely honed skills of Flash Crashes and get the media to scream loudly about Deficit issues and force the congress to put in the necessary tweaks to gut the only thing between Great Depression, corresponding constant threats to congress for bailouts and the past situation of economic stability and tranquility. Solution is simple for congress. Simply convert all the electronic exchanges to Manual exchanges as in the past golden days and put limits on the transactions, do it only on cash basis and no margin or derivative stuff allowed and initiate inquires about the root cause in the past 2 year crashes.
I’m not surprised. Alan Simpson was on NPR’s TOTN talk show for a full hour back in April. When a caller suggested a Tobin tax, Alan Simpson pretended not to know what a Tobin tax was and then quickly changed the subject.
He also suggested that the best way to reduce military spending was to cut veteran’s health benefits.
The man is only a few horns shy of Lucifer walking the earth.
Obama is just rearranging the deck chairs. The rest of us are locked in steerage and the band has begun to play. The wealthy are already rowing away in the lifeboats and nobody is coming in time to save the rest of us already in the water, or soon to be. Canada anyone?