Unbelievably stupid or corrupt. I’m belatedly joining the corrupt crowd.

I don’t think he’s stupid, but definitely corrupt. But he certainly thinks we’re stupid. That’s for sure. Or he thinks we won’t be spending the next two years building a third party, which would mean that he would have a point.

I will, once again, repeat my plan for the 5/25 effort: You need to shoot for 5 senate seats and 25 house seats. The Green Party, if I’m reading their one website correctly, had placed 60 people to run in House races and of course they went 0 for 60. The Green Party has a decent platform, probably decent candidates although some appeared to be flakes, but the worst political skills that I’ve ever seen. They have no national strategy that I can see. They don’t even produce good youtube ads. Its like they hate the Internet. You need to look for 300000 who can commit 10 bucks a month for several years. That will give you 30 million a year. I’m going to start an organization that’s going to ask for just that but frankly the board of the Just Say Now effort would have a better shot at that.

If the money was in place, and there were Green Senate candidates in South Carolina and Arkansas or elsewhere you could sort of run shadow campaigns for them. The Green party is so inept politically that I don’t think they would know what to do with 2 million per race anyway…

I will write more on this later…

Philip Shropshire
http://fivetwentyfiveplan.blogspot.com/2010/03/progressives-should-support-seius-third.html

One more thing: who within the Democratic Party caucus will rise up and obstruct with the same vigilance as a Coburn or Bunning…? It would nice for an Al Franken or a Dick Durbin to stand tall on this one…at least delay the vote for the next congress…

If he’s the “political genius” guiding the Democrats these days, they should consider themselves lucky it wasn’t 100 seats.

And I do consider Democrats lucky. If the Tea Partiers weren’t even more incompetent than the Democrats, things would have gone much, much worse. Much worse than the awful we have now, that is. Which, with Axelrod’s help, is a catastrophe we’re going to reach much too soon.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. Obama wants to extend the Bush tax cuts, he’s just looking for a reason to. If he didn’t want to do so, then I’m sure he could find a way.

Tarpley tried to warn us about Barky

Appears that Axe is trying to walk that back.

Just more kabuki, Obama will agree to extending all the cuts, at least temporarily.

He’s such an incompetent.

Obama — the smartest hire the corporate oligarchy could have made.

Assholes.

Raising revenues and cutting spending should be Progressive issues. Raise revenues by rolling back taxes to Reagan era rates and cut wasteful DOD spending on fruitless, unnecessary wars.

F’ing jerks running the country don’t have a clue.

democrats play poker like wild bill hickock, and they always forget to sit facing the door.

On the one hand we have tax cuts for Billionaires, and on the other hand the Catfood Commish is moving us toward a flat tax, and taking it out of Grandma’s hide.

It really doesn’t matter if Axelrod is kinda sorta talking it back. There’s blood in the water now. The Republicans know Obama will sign on to extending all the tax cuts, so they will pounce. The new frame I’m catching from the Obama WH is that they won’t make the cuts “permanent”. Well, doh. Even the Republicans allowed the cuts to sunset, which is why we are even haing this debate.

Interesting that the Catfood Co-chairs’ plan would result in $4B less deficit by 2020, while letting the tax cuts expire would generate $3.7B. If they’re so damn worried about the deficit, tax increases would solve the problem (but be inconvenient for the MOTU).

Still, I have trouble believing that O and the Catfood Commish are foolish enough to cut Social Security. The idea is just so profoundly stupid and self-defeating that it seems implausible.

But, I’m always wrong about these things.

F’ckers.

One of the quotes from Woodward’s book was Obama saying something like “I can’t lose half the Democratic Party”, referring to setting a deadline for pulling out of Afghanistan.

It looks to me like they aren’t worried about that any more. That half didn’t show up to vote at the midterms, so now they are written off entirely. They are going to run with the Democrats who vote “D” no matter what, and not even bothering to pretend about the rest.

Hey, Obama and Company: Go ahead. Make the Repugs’ day. When you’re finished painting that picture of a noble, kind administration that is performing a martyr’s act to “save the security of the middle class”, fold up your easel, clean out your desk, and go on home now. Nothing you do in the next 2 years will make any difference. You will have just guaranteed your own defeat in 2012.

Your party members will never forgive you if you indeed give in to Boehner and Cantor and McConnell – NEVER.

obama’s rodent is at it again,

gnawing away at the foundation of democratic party principles.

but that part “..we have to deal with the world as we find it…”; that’s pure obama wan.

translated: ” i don’t have an iota of political imagination or political courage; i follow the path of least resistence.”

in nov, 2008 the political waifs and naifs of america gifted the nation with this child-philosopher.

the nation has suffered thru ten years now of an inexperienced president

and counting.

I think it’s time to reboot the US Government

I think we’re going to have special citizens federal corruption investigation.

Everything the US Federal Gov’t has done allt he way back to Gulf War I is going to have to be examined.

maydaze @7:55

might that be T rather than B :-)?

Something is very fishy about Obama winning 2008 with a large mandate based on progressive campaign promises only to morph into the Corporatist he is today.

Q: What’s the difference between Obama and a jellyfish?

A: It hurts when a jellyfish stings you.

And since a rather large number of Democrats aren’t worried about reelection at the moment, there’s not much downside for them.

There’s no political downside (other than fundraising) for Democrats who ARE up for reelection. A huge majority of voters favor letting the tax cuts on the wealthiest expire.

So, there is NO political justification for this. There is certainly no economic justification for it, since tax cuts for the wealthy neither create jobs nor do much anything at all in the form of stimulus. If they did, instead of the greatest recession ever, we’d be in the middle of the biggest boom ever. And there can certainly be no moral justification for exttending the tax cuts for the wealthy at the same time a catfood deficit reduction committee is proposing steep cuts to programs affecting millions of middle class Americans.

There is NO excuse for this. Not tolerable. If they pass the extension AND any cut to SS/MC, then folks, it’s time to hit the streets. It’s probably already past time, but this is the issue we have to stand up on.

Are we going to take cuts to social security AT THE SAME TIME they extend tax cuts for the rich??

Well, are we?

Hmmmm

Not leaving Afghanistan – check
Not leaving Iraq – check
Cutting Social Security – check
Cutting Medicare – check
Keeping Bush tax cuts – check
Lowering rich tax to 26% check

We’re not in Kansas anymore. Remember when the reporters were left on the airplane twiddling their thumbs while Barry disappeared…right in the location of the ongoing Bilderberger meeting….He became the chosen one at that point IMHO.

He is egotistical and greedy. He wants to be famous and he wants to be rich, and the people that control him know that is his real weakness. He has proven them right.

Maybe there should be a Coffeefilter Party.

Yeah, beacuse there is no widespread support for taking a small piece of the 80% growth over the last 25 years going to the top 1%.

Nice Cat Food Commish (I mean co-chair) initial lead ballons:
- lower the tax bracket for the rich (then take out some write-offs, and slowly add them back in over time – by R’s making them look like tax hero’s).

Or this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/10/AR2010111006850.html
Many deficit commission staffers paid by outside groups

All their debase belongs to whipping out ass.

Obama = Bush III

It’s not “fishy”. Obama said he wanted all players at the table and that he would be mister bipartisan and that he would fix the social security “crisis”.

Is O giving in or is he totally on board with R philosophy of austerity for regular people and funding for the wealthy and their corporations?

We know Obama taught at University of Chicago… home of the “University of Chicago” school of economic thinking… Obama taught law, but he might have been “recruited” by U. Chicago Econ school there…

…or maybe something more basic… threatening to kill Obama’s children maybe.

“Worst political skills”? What worst? They have no political skills and no interest in acquiring political skills. How long have the Greens been around? Ten years, something like?

I knew in 2008 that he was a lot more conservative than he was being painted, and was painting himself. Of course, I had no idea he was this bad.

I’m not sure that he has morphed at all – this is who he is, though I still think he is getting rolled by the military. In 2008 they crafted a political campaign that won because it had huge appeal, it never had anything to do with Obama himself. Now they seem genuinely surprised that we actually expected the guy from the campaign, not the man himself.

It’s not that you’re wrong about these things, you’re right. In the world as we knew it for all of our lives, it would be unthinkable.

But the twin earth shattering changes to reality (9/11 and the financial crisis) have changed things into a brave new world (pun intended).

The process towards fascism is quickening to preclude a major population uprising.

Yes, true. But how is it possible to back out of every progressive idea he campaigned on to be come the champion of Republican ideas without something very, very wrong happening. Just sayin’

“We have to deal with the world as we find it,” Axelrod said during an unusually candid and reflective 90-minute interview in his office, steps away from the Oval Office. “The world of what it takes to get this done.”

Awww – isn’t that sweat.

I never knew kabuki was candid. I am done with kabuki as well – it only is when you count in the media. They just lie.

YOU LIE!

I guess they don’t want a fight with massive majorities in congress to make the R’s look like people for the bankers and top 1%. The reason is the D’s want some of that money and they are now fully mereged into a single party.

“Hey, Ma; he’s ‘at it’ again.”

Obama’s plan for providing health insurance for the American people is to make sure that the health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies get RICHER by not including a “public option” and by not allowing “re-importation of prescription drugs”.

Obama’s plan for “solving” the financial crisis CAUSED BY the selfish and reckless practices of Goldman Sucks, Morgan Chase, BankAmerica, etc. was to appoint two useless and corrupt henchmen (Summers and Geithner)who were beholden to Wall Street and then provide NO LEADERSHIP to the reform effort so vital to lending credibility to our national financial structure. (“Think” the Volcker Rule!)

In short, in the past twenty-two months, Obama has SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE SLAVES, and to whom??? To the banksters, the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical companies, to the defense(?) profiteers and to just about any other useless and CORRUPT privateering organization who GAVE HIM LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY!!! And just what do you call someone who behaves in accordance with such a set of (or, better yet, ABSENCE OF), values???

The word starts with a “W”, has five letters, and ends with an “E”! And it doesn’t matter whether you are black, white or yellow; whether you are male or female; or whether you are a Republican or Democrat.

THE WORD IS “WHORE”!!!

I don’t SUPPORT “whores”; I don’t LIKE “whores”; and I certainly DON’T VOTE FOR “WHORES”….not today…. not tomorrow…..AND NOT IN 2012 !!!!

I didn’t give three years of my life in WWII….and endure the deaths of five close friends only to vote for a W…H…O…R…E !!!!!

NOT IN THIS LIFETIME !!!!!

People are starting to vomit, when people say OBAMA is a Democrat

listed below is the reason

1st Obama endorses the Bush agenda of spying on and killing americans
2nd Obama attacks Unions (the F! the UAW moment screams republican)
3rd Obama double downs on Bush Wars, (now they are Obama wars)
4th Obama attacks Teacher Unions (teacher unions now hate OBAMA)
5th Obama does not attack the Banks? he bails them out? (sorta like what the GOP does)
6th Obama passes the Bob Dole Health Care Bill (Bob Dole is a republican)
7th Obama kills the Public Option
8Th Obama kills Drug Importation
9Th Obama APPOINTS an insurance executive to manage his health care Bill
10th Obama does not APPOINT Dawn Johnsen
11th Obama hand picks the cat food commission to destroy Social Security
12th Obama supports Blanche Lincoln, a candidate who hates Unions, and has no chance of winning
13 Guantanomo still open for business

14.Patriot Act renewed

15. renditions continue

16. Bernanke reappointed

17. Americans targeted for assassination
18 Obama is all for sending more USA jobs off shore
19 Obama is for tax cuts for the RICH!

last check the top 1% now control and own 24% of the wealth of the USA

the bottom 46% of the USA has no wealth

and you thought it was morning time in the USA

what a bunch of debbie downers!

HELLO !!

IF 0-$ell-0ut wasn’t being true to form, THEN we might waste our time and energy on the sell out piece of shit, and get 4 more years of him screwing us!

Could you REALLY trust a Steny style back stabbing slimeball in your trench, just cuz he’s suddenly come to jahzues, jumped in your foxhole, and claims hs is NO longer a lackey of the rich pigs? You’d sleep good at night with this PROVEN back stabber suddenly proclaiming he’s on your side?

Thanks 0-bummer! continue buttressing the FAITH I have that you’re a $ell 0ut!

rmm.

I mean how can they say they can’t get this done?

Tax cuts for 98% of income earners?

The POTUS
~274 seats in the house
~ 57 seats in the Senate

Pathetic.

here’s what I do not understand;

obama has run into the arms of republicans time and time, each and every time

and they drop their arms so he lands on his head.

how can he not be a moron?

will this be their campaign slogan then? for 2012? Fits on a bumper sticker.

We have to deal with the world as we find it.

The “genius” keeps on coming. Axe tries to walk back his HufPo comments.

That’s some real fancy tap-dancing, Mr. Tool Axelrod.

Yeah, he was much more conservative than the media made him out to be, for sure. FISA was proof of that. As I’ve said before, when someone tells you who they are you should believe them.

However, the mandate under which he was elected was a progressive mandate, and he has actively worked to foil all the promises he made during the election.

That is fishy. Was he sincere? Was he a mole in the D establishment? Was he corrupted after election? He is not who he said he was in 2008.

I’d like to see a challenger to Obama in 2012 simply repeat Obama’s 2008 speeches word for word. Not only have the promises been unfulfilled, for the most part the criticisms of his predecessor would still be accurate.

Sad, but Bush was about 100x more effecive than Obama.
Bush was such a genius he set this up so that even historic majorities could not topple his tax cuts!

Even though they are set to expire in 2010.

If Axelrod is the “political genius” guiding the Democrats these days, they should consider themselves lucky it wasn’t 100 seats.

Bush smarts > Axelrod’s lies

Axelrod: “We have to deal with the world as we find it” = stop whining, buck up

Rumsfeld: We have to go to war with the Army we have. = stop whining, buck up

I was immediately struck by Axelrod’s choice of words.

It is a clear “Tell”.

The Obama grifters apparently support austerity only if it involves kicking working people and old folks in the teeth. Austerity for us, the workers, and tax cuts for the obscenely rich. I mean, do these morons think we are that stupid? You hear that twentysomething White House lackeys reading this? You’re fucking insulting my intelligence.

I mean, really. It’s infuriating.

If this is all “just” about the Obama White House being corrupt, then decisions made by the Obama White House can be ruled “fruit of a corruption tainted tree.”

All those decision would get voided by a court.

Refusing to investigate confessed war crimes is pretty good evidence of said corruption.

Hope these lies don’t stand.

They are trying to set a precident of just complete utter bullshit that does not relfect legislative reality – this is going to come in handy when they gut SS, lower the taxes on the rich (more), etc.

I’m with you and the French on this one. Axelrod sounds like Rummy, “you go to war with the army you have not the one you wish you had.” What is this “take the world as you find it” shit?

Time to walk. Away from this sad fucking excuse for Democratic leadership and out to the streets. No more votes for these gd quisling cowards.

What SPINELESS little wimps.. The quote you’ve attributed to David Axelrod is appauling … ““We have to deal with the world as we find it,”” which is actually the largest bag of stinking horse manure ever quoted by a white house – ever. This little quip tells the whole story.. The WH has NO BALLS LEFT!

Re: the Green Party.

I can only speak about my state (Colorado) Greens (I registered Green several years ago and tried to get a little active).

My impression on the state level was that they are people for whom political activism is sort of a hobby, they aren’t really trying to accomplish anything. They just like having tables at events, and going through the motions, and carrying signs and such. I remember asking an innocent question on the email list “who is in charge of fund-raising?” since I had a couple of ideas. I was immediately flamed, told that they “did not want corporate money” (which I never mentioned), then told that I should take the initiative and be in charge of fund-raising instead of expecting someone else to do it, then told that there was someone who had signed up to be in charge of fund-raising, but they hadn’t heard from her in six months or so.

This is a political party? You don’t get people elected without money.

On my local level, I went to meetings for a while. Very nice people. No single women (which was sort of the whole purpose, but I digress). Nothing ever really happened. I eventually quit going.

Maybe Greens elsewhere have their act together, but not in my state.

they’re all in it together

i’m tired of watching kabuki theater, is there another channel?

I hope you are all ready for a National Strike now.

Those are their “balls” telling us all to fuck off.

Caught that as well. More evidence of “capture”, imo.

Why is it that when the Obama administration does something, more often than not it’s worse than doing NOTHING?

The whole country should hold back all taxes until they are ALL out of there.

De-fund the mofos.

If only we had an opposition party. In the film The Mission, after the Bishop has sanctioned the slaughter of thousands of Indians and Jesuit priests, the Portuguese ambassador tries to absolve him of responsibility by saying: “The world is thus.” The Bishop, wracked by guilt at this point, responds with: “No, thus I have made the world.” Axelrod employs the classic retort of every unprincipled clown who pretends he’s forced to do something and has no choice. But then we now have confirmation in the press that Bush would have voted for Obama. And while most on the Left would agree that McCain is not a bright person, I don’t believe he’s quite so stupid as to have picked Palin without some serious arm-twisting from the duopoly. They had no chemistry and he obviously didn’t like her. But she was necessary to make sure the masses, even the most hesitant skeptics, bought into the soaring rhetoric of Obama. He’s their guy, and we now know why.

Exactly. How many times will the bait-and-switch succeed? On how many issues has the WH expressed support (usually tepid support couched in ambiguous statements) for an issue, only to cave later?

I believe that the White House must have wanted the tax cuts for the rich all along. The evidence is as it has always been – they traded away the obvious winning positions and gave excuses that don’t add up.

The next issue for the White House to push? Catfood. I sincerely believe it’s coming, even if 300 million Americans oppose it. The Dems will all promise, cross their hearts, to strongly oppose cuts to SS, but then they will vote to cut it. Months later, we’ll discover that the White House was quietly pushing for it all along. The excuse will be that the Republican Congressional majorities from 2008 to 2010 were just too overwhelming and had to be obeyed.

Of course Obama wants tax cuts for the rich. Obama came of age during Raygun and obviously internalized supply side and can’t get off the pipe. Sad to say, this paradigm–trickle on economics–has yet to run its course. And it looks like it never will. I’ve been waiting decades for a pendulum shift–but it hasn’t happened, and I don’t think it will. The forces of capital are too strong. They also have been blessed with talented grifters like Obama who do their bidding.

Don’t take an action they can put you in prison for.

They will. Gleefully.

They can’t put you in prison for striking.

That’s the huge flaw in the elite place

The rich can’t force you to show up to work and make their money. :)

The rich can’t make their money if you do not show up to work. :)

Impeach. Now. At this stage of the game, Biden would be a good placeholder until we can find a decent person to run for president. It seems to be the only recourse.

I know I will get flamed for this. But as much as I hate this I do not think Obama and his team accept the reality that is American politics today. We have one capitulation after another.

Wall Street Reform
Middle East wars
Health care
Tax cuts
DADT
Employee Free Choice Act
Civil Liberties

The list goes on. It has been one disappointment or failure after another.
The Democratic campaign strategy of 2010 was to convince the voters that the Democrats were the lesser of two evils. Not campaign even on the minimal achievements they did get. It was a recipe for electoral disaster. Seems like the administration is taking the wrong lesson and is leading the Democrats and progressives off a cliff. Obama’s constant capitulations will guarantee Mitch McConnell and the rights goal to make him a one term president. And sadly if he will not or can not bring himself to accept this reality we have to move on.

It is time to start building a power base for a primary challenger. I really think this is not a good choice but I think it is the only one Obama is leaving us. So I think we may want to light the fuse on this in 2010 not a year from now. It would give us the best chance at this. So we can start looking at a Feingold or an Alan Grayson. Someone who has a compelling populist message.

Democrats did terrible in 2010. How many Democrats are going to come out and vote for him and the party if the next 2 years are spent Capitulating to Republicans. Unfortunately that is the direction he is chosen.

I expect this will be roundly condemmed by the Obama apologists. As a 2008 die hard Obama supporter this pains me but I do believe it has to be seriously discussed

it is my understanding that when the house decided not to pass a real budget, they killed any chance for any reconciliation bills in 2010. Isn’t that convenient!

Repeat…

The rich can’t put you in prison for striking.

That’s the huge flaw in the elite place

The rich can’t force you to show up to work and make their money. :)

The rich can’t make their money if you do not show up to work. :)

Headline from TPM:

Axelrod First Says Obama Will Accept GOP Plan On Tax Cuts For The Rich … Then Says Their Position Hasn’t Changed

Right, their position hasn’t changed, they are just saying it out loud, now.

Typo.. damn

place=plan

I doubt this administration has any real citizen support at all…just propaganda spewing out pissing everybody and her sister and brother across the nation. Only the
corporate cabal and it’s minions…laughing all the way to the banks…Even Cheney doesn’t comment anymore…maybe his “dithering” comment was a “hurry up” message to get this neocon show on the road. Now that it is in full swing…he’s laughing all the way to the banks…overseas on little deserted islands, of course…Heh.

Impeachment is a political process. The Democrats still hold the Senate and despite his complete incompetence, there is little to justify an impeachment trial in the House. Impeachment is NOT gonna happen.

The rich can also deny you a salary, take your house away, etc. etc.

2 years. Obama will lose. R’s will ride in on the white horse and give tax cuts to EVERYONE!

$100 for you, and $100,000 for the other guy.

You’re probably right…Pipedream…sigh…money talks one way or the other, plus strikes make noise that they can’t shut off.

I guess he really does want to undermine traditional Democratic values and lose his support and be a one-termer. His immediate capitulation is horribly tragic.

Obama, get thyself to a Codependents Anonymous meeting.

You are sounding and acting more and more like a person who has been abused repeatedly. Had I known about his emotional unhealth during the campaign I could have helped avoid this FUBAR-ness.

General Strike. We cannot protest in the streets because they will move against the people with drones and the army. A general strike is the mature, solid way to move against the people who are destroying the country and the planet. We have to figure out a way to overcome the strange instincts of this species.

Kagro points out that they passed the Bush tax cuts through reconciliation the first time, and they could go that route again. But I guess we’re going to have another round of “pass the hot potato” like we did on the public option.

That wouldn’t be bipartisany.

there is little to justify an impeachment trial in the House.

Say what?????

You don’t believe W deserved to be impeached?

The word “austerity” kinda reminds me of stick furniture.

Reminds of “assholes.”

Reminds ME of “assholes.”

Reminds ME.

I mass idet.

The rich can also deny you a salary, take your house away, etc. etc.

Haven’t they already done this?

First of all you are not justified saying a huge majority of citizens don’t want tax cuts for the rich. We have no way of knowing what a huge majority of citizens want. McGovern ran with a major plank in his platform being a near confiscatory estate tax. He believed that since it impacted about one half of one percent of the population, a huge majority of the citizens would vote him in. He lost every state but Massachusetts. Everyone thinks they will somehow reach exalted territory. Why they so need to “succeed” is another story.

The question is, and I apologize for asking it so often, can we do anything? Is there some plan we can put our energies into and is there some way for us to decide? Some say primary. Others say the primary path is closed. Some say third party. Others say it won’t work. Look at the Greens. Others say the Greens are inept and that an ept third party can do it. I say we need to build a network and make it so attractive people will flock to join just as they flocked to join Facebook. Others say we need to crash so we can rise again. Or are we limited to name calling?

Homeless people without jobs going on strike == FAIL.

You are correct! Trillions.

We do have polls showing over 60% support for ending the tax cuts for the rich.

If you don’t like polls, then I’ll just say that anecdotally 100% of middle class Americans favor letting them expire for the rich since I’ve never spoken with one yet that favors them being extended.

Personally, I’ll go with the polls.

I’m disabled. I don’t have a house, dear. We’re not allowed.

A salary is something management has that neither I nor my mom had.

So, you are saying that the entire nation is made up of homeless people without jobs? If we are all headed in that direction shouldn’t we start functioning as a unified populace?

I can only speak for myself but I’ve reached my own limit with Democrats. One more capitulation, one more “compromise” that throws money at the rich people on the necks of the poor and middle class will be the end for me. As long as I draw breath, I’ll never vote for another Democrat. Period. End of story.

And I hope nobody likes it.

I don’t think you can fix corporate capitalism, especially here in the US, because of its inherent contradictions–that is, sucking the surplus labor and productivity and capital from the working class. It is a suicidal system, as we are seeing more and more.

Decentralization and mutual aid are the only solutions to a corrupt hierarchical system that is destined to break down. We already see how bad it is getting. Representative democracy is not democracy, but oligarchy. Always has been. Now we see the real Oz, what the system really is. It is time to create new alternatives–and to dream! The capitalist system is dying.

I’ve got bad news for you: Homeless people without jobs don’t have the time to strike because they are too busy trying to feed themselves and shelter themselves. Also, wtf do you suppose they are going to DO on a strike? Refuse to work? Oh wait, they have no jobs. Pay rent? Oh wait, they have no homes.

One more capitulation

This is not capitulation but the basic plan they have chosen to implement.

is there anything left to capitulate on?

They will find something.

Nuclear families, rugged individualists, etc. don’t have social support networks to keep them going without paid work. Something like three-quarters of Americans with jobs are living paycheck to paycheck. People simply can’t risk retaliation from employers from striking, so they won’t. The ones with nothing to lose, the jobless, can’t strike from jobs they don’t have. We’ve already been pushed too far for a general strike to be effective.

Clearly, the kleptocrats oligarchs are outstanding poker players. Looks like someone in the White House needs to learn how to call a bluff.

Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are doing real well. Government runs the energy business in those countries, and that pays for all the health care and education.

Semantics are irrelevant. If they do it, I’m done with Democrats forever. Their actions must have consequences or there is no motive to change their behavior.

Then we are in a pickle. We have talked ourselves out of taking any action. Too late, too early, not enough, too much. WTF? The last thing we were able to do effectively is elect this corrupt president.

When everyone is on the same team, and their is more money when you are done with “service” – it seems for most of these fail upwards that there is no down-side – ever.

I think I’ve seen enough to say the energy business in private hands is broken, and probably cant be fixed.

Remember Sweden is one of the biggest arms dealers in the world so their entire society is basically funded via blood. But I digress.

The European nations are going in the same direction we are. They are not immune to the ravages of the capitalists. Someone said they are at where we were in 1980 and I agree. They refuse to raise taxes on the rich. You know, do the things to sustain their social democracies. Why don’t they? Because capitalism is a flawed ideology based on greed. It is only natural that it should take a more Darwinian course. This is why it will, in the end, die off, like all other flawed systems.

I love the sentiment, and fully agree with it. But I don’t see any significant worker strike happening, no matter how bad things become. America is the land of apathy. Even if/when we reach the state of total martial law in every town and city in the country, people will continue to try to hide under their rocks. Even when they are made to eat cat food, they will do little more than rant about it on blogs. The elites in politics, religion, the media, and the corporate world will keep us divided into neat angry groups for their own benefit.

The oligarchs are slipping cards to Obama under the table.

After David’s comments on keeping the forclosure blitzkrieg rolling along…. I’m not surprised by further absurdities.

I wonder if David Axelrod actually likes his job. I can’t imagine that it’d be much fun working for a sock puppet.

Do our MOTU keep a hand in the sock puppet 24/7? Or does David sometime enter the oval office and merely find a lifeless empty sock.

I mass idet edti.

Fixed it for ya.

Thank you for your service, ronbon. But ‘whore’ might be too nice a word for this bozo….

Sad but true.

Seems I read somewhere in the most recent Saturday Radio Address, The President said No to the Bush Tax Cut.

I didn’t believe it then when he said it.

If Nancy Pelosi wants to be the House Minority Leader after this latest plum from Axelrod then she is a glutton for punishment. I don’t understand why she would want to be a punching bag hit from the Majority and also The Administration.

There was justification to impeach Bush, but again, impeachment is a POLITICAL PROCESS. And, when and if impeachment occurs it does so based on political calculations.

Teabaggers like to whine about the “nanny state”, where the government looks after you. We are stuck with a corporate “nanny state” that looks after you if you have cash flow.

Over the last four generations or so, the various social support networks have withered away – extended family (in the same location, not spread across the continent), religious support networks (not just showing up at the mega-church once a week), fraternal organizations, labor unions, the things that gave us something to fall back on are reduced or gone altogether. The government “nanny state” can be a reasonable substitute, if you can make it work. The corporate “nanny state” works until you actually need it, then you are thrown under the bus because you have no money.

I suspect the reason that we are seeing mass rioting in Europe (nice one in the UK yesterday) is because their social networks are not as ruined as ours and they can afford to take risks.

Most people want to be famous and rich. You have to believe in something more.

That is why they all pimp that they are religous people – to hide that they hate Jesus.

MLK, Jr. and Gandhi would have laughed at 4cDave and Mary

Obama ought to resign now before he finds a way to disgrace himself
and his party further. Primary the SOB in 2012 at the very least.

I suppose I should have said “mass demonstrations with some occasional rioting” rather than “mass rioting”, which is an exaggeration.

Impeachment is a CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS, one in which it is Congress’ DUTY to impeach a President that doesn’t uphold and defend the Constitution.

Accountability isn’t, or shouldn’t be, political. And if W deserved to be impeached, then so does Obama, who has eviscorated the Constitution in the same ways W did.

Here’s a telling stat…

The IWW had membership in the 100 thousands in the early 1900s. Today it is down to 2000.

You need a viable working class movement in order to make the elite scared.

Impeachment is NOT gonna happen.

Don’t care. Calls for impeachment weaken a president, and if Obama is weakened, maybe some of the more left-of-center politicians will stand up to him.
Besides, I haven’t heard Boehner say impeachment is off the table. Dig deep enough and you can always find something on any president.

I am sure they would if they have to – but its so much easier to give willing people money, power, or promises.

Absolutely. Actually, I’m surprised that there are still 2000. Cool.

Maybe. But it also looks like they’re stabbing their buddy in the back at the same time.

I’ve seen support networks instantly appear from nothing among complete strangers.

I saw it happened in LA myself after the Northridge quake.

We all saw it happen in New Orleans after the Katrina after almost everyone abandoned them.

Human beings adapt very quickly when circumstances require it.

You need people who know they are working class for the movement to
grow. Advertising has convinced millions of blue collar and white collar
working class people that they are middle class and have nothing in common
with “those people”. A full blown depression and the catfood prescription
might teach the lesson learned 80 years ago and thrown over by Clintonism.

After they said they were comfortable proceding on the upcoming 8-10 million home forclosures…. I can’t imagine that there’s anything that the Admin wouldn’t be comfortable doing.

Of course! That’s why mutual aid is possible! Human beings are very resourceful and far from the cruel barbarians the elite make us out to be. It is only a small minority who are truly sociopathic.

To get a successful general strike you need to convince 100,000,000 or so people who are going to be thinking “If I go to work tomorrow, I can make it for another week. If I go on strike, I’m screwed by next week and may not be able to find work again, and I have nothing to fall back on.” Claiming that support networks are going to spontaneously arise after the fact will have no impact on their decision, you need support networks that are in place before the fact.

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Except to let it all collapse. While we watch the collapse, and suffer through it, we must help each other survive while we build a new framework for the future.

gads…progessive survivalism. An unappealing concept. Sadly, I see few pragmatic options that aren’t even worse.
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We survived Bush for 8 years. And for 6 of those years, we simultaneously survived an extremely conservative Congress and Supreme Court. We will survive the coming darkness too.

Oh please. If you do not understand that impeachment is a political process, there is no reason to discuss it with you.

They could not convict him with a majority Democratic Senate. But, I really don’t think the Republicans want to do the impeachment thing again. Obama is a weak President. They don’t need to impeach him.

We need a second round of third way shits to be purged from the party!

So damn true, Merk. I was having a conversation with a coworker the other day and we got on the topic of the term “working class.” Apparently, he didn’t believe he was working class because he wasn’t doing manual labor. He came from a very elitist position. He believed that because he was a desk jockey he wasn’t a wage slave like blue collar workers. But that’s so untrue. If you depend on a salary, you are a wage slave and hence working class.

Ahh, this all the just the same old bullsh**. Can’t do the public option-don’t have the votes, can’t have Elizabeth Warren-Senate confirmation is problematic, can’t end tax cuts for the rich-have to deal with political realities as we find them.

Obama is so sickeningly predictable. And they always get away with it because the average American doesn’t know a lame duck session from Peking duck a l’orange. What a farce.

Hello again, all you extremists! I haven’t been here for over a year, but, thanks to this issue, I’m home. I already emailed the WH a scorching letter and am calling my sens and rep.

If the cuts for everyone go forward, Obama will have ceded the White House to the corporate/Repubs and it’s game over for what was once a great country. Teddy Roosevelt he’s not.

Where to I sign up for my torch or pitchfork?

progressive survivalism

I love it! There’s our new movement!

Instead of one family huddled in a bunker, we can have lots of people huddled in a really big bunker!

McGovern did not lose just because of the estate tax. To imply that is to do the same thing OFG did, say “most people” want this or don’t want that.
McGovern did not win because he wanted complete withdrawal from Viet Nam and he thought the young would turn out to vote and they did not – plus remember Watergate and how they used the info to sabotage his campaign?

Because both Gandhi and MLK started off with 100 million supporters. Right Dave?

All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,

That is a great question. I wish I had the answer. As far as I know, the austerity measures in Europe passed despite the protests. I don’t quite understand that. Here, I am hoping the protests would have more effect. They have seemed to in the past when the people protesting were directly impacted by the measures they were opposing. For example, the Iraq war protest fell on deaf ears, but the Vietnam protest, involving people who could be or were drafted, was eventually heeded.

I agree with those who rule out a primary.

President Obama would move to the Left only if someone from the Left is nipping at his heels. I had read a report that the WH is worried about the prospect of Romney being the Republican candidate. They are doing a good job of out-Romneying Romney. Whoever would attack Obama from the Left would have to deal with a lot. Frankly, people I admire like Kucinich and Howard Dean, would not be able to withstand that, as we saw from health care reform. Nader could definitely take it. The problem is his negative ratings (I haven’t checked for sure but I imagine) are very high. But he is someone who would never fold when attacked. If he were elected president, nothing would get done of course because the Democrats and Republicans in Congress would join against him. The best hope with him would that he would force Obama to move to the Left… I can’t think of another way…

Bait and switch?

Master baiters,indeed.

You and Merk totally GET IT!

I can think of a variety of explanations for Obama’s behavior in office that do not rely on conspiracy theories of the kind you suggest. It’s more likely that Obama is simply not capable of the job. He has little experience, he is unwilling to make bold decisions, and he has surrounded himself in the White House with sycophants and purveyors of the status quo. This time in our history requires a president with the exact opposite qualities. Thus, we find ourselves in this mess.

OK, start out with ten people. I doubt you can get that many.

BTW, refresh my memory, when did MLK lead a successful general strike?

In the 80′s they tried to gift us with Cat health (very very high deductible) via cuts to Medicare – and we rocked a few cars as the House Budget head (Dan R)tried to drive in his district (later we sent him to jail for postage stamp theft from his office funds – a couple of grand). These were the 65 year olds whose kids inspired them as 40 year old parents in the 60′s.

Today’s activists prefer email, electronic petition, and phone calls, while the over 65′s prefer to vote for the GOP in the last election. Other countries know violence in the streets is the only thing that gets noticed (we had how many days take over of the Conservative Party’s staff building lobby for a tuition increase in Britain? and I thought they were “stiff upper lip” types compared to us).

Times do change things.

Don’t forget Obama on Daily Show:

“Heckuva job”

“Um, you don’t to use that phrase around here, dude (Obama).”
Jon Stewart

OK.

Yes and Mcgovern also advocated for a guaranteed annual income for everyone as a means of staving off poverty and economic stability. THAT one freaked out my Dad who was normally quite sensible about things but couldn’t let go of the “nation of welfare bums” image that Mcgovern’s position conjured (in my dad.)

Obama is criminally negligent (like Bush), incompetent and a hardened ideologue (also like Bush). He’s all that, IMHO. When I say a hardened ideologue I mean a guy who believes that only the rich can save us. This is what he truly believes.

We know what Bush did after Katrina in New Orleans.

Dubya was gleefully raising money in SoCal while people were drowning in New Orleans and we all saw that God Awful Scene outside the Convention Center because they wouldn’t helicopter some water to the people gathered. How many died of thirst that day there?

President Wimp…no backbone, no principles, no good.

Do polls not count?

I didn’t just make up “most people.” The polling shows overwhelming support for ending the tax cuts for the rich??

I’m not sure why you’re not allowed to say most people if polls show most people doing something.

Of course O wants to extend the tax cuts for the wealthy. Traitor. Christ, this guy campaigned on hope and change…tax cuts for the wealthy while they raise the retirement age and gut gut Social Security. I’ve been catching up on you tube all the enhanced pat downs going on at airports.
Americans are the new terrorists, er, enemy combatants….fuck, if ain’t super wealthy, you’re dead.

It’s long past time to strike, march, break laws, whatever. The plutocrats count on American inertia. The Cat Food Commission stuff wasn’t even on the front page of the lame pseudopaper here in town. Sheesh, what is it going to take to wake Americans up?

Agreed. DLC/New Dem/Blue Dog types are selling out the American people and ruining the Democratic Party in the process.

I’d say that political stance REALLY shows how far to the right the Dems have shifted. Thanks for reminding me of it! There was also Amnesty, Acid and Abortion – he was for legalizing marijuana. We need McGovern back!!

You are correct, to the extent polls can possibly be believed. What else do we have to go on?

POLL: Less than 1/3 of Americans support extending the tax cuts for the rich.

Impeachement is a CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS

(Sniff) I smell concern troll.
See ya.

I don’t think he’s stupid, but definitely corrupt.

But he certainly thinks we’re stupid.

Yes and yes, especially the 2nd one.

Yes but somewhere in the lead up process to election he had to make it clear to the 6 industries that control America (telecommunications, banking, health care, defense, agriculture, energy,) that he would not threaten them in any way. This is an absolute prerequisite for inclusion in the Presidential dog and pony show.They are going to put their $ somewhere and they want NO surprises. This is why there is never a Kucinich or Nader or any TRUE reformer that gets any traction. Never gonna happen.

I don’t have any problem with the image of repeated visits from people in dark suits and briefcases making visits to Obama.

Or

I don’t suck as much as the Republican nominee.

Kos poster Wamsutta signature:

Retired: “We are the change we have been waiting for”

Wired: “We have to deal with the world as we find it”

Although its in a different context, you and OFG remind me of what Ghandi had to say about church and state: “Anyone who believes that church and state can be separated understands neither.”

As a practical matter, impeachment is totally a political matter. If it were purely constitutional, Lincoln would have been impeached and convicted.

Biden. The same Biden who handed R’s the bankruptcy reform law, the big wet BJ to banks in 2005? Just before the biggest financial bubble of all time was about to burst. Why yes it is the same one.

Yes. YES.

I think the ruling class hopes we will be worn down by their insistence on gutting and filleting the middle class, and all of us will be so exhausted from running on our hamster wheels that we will have no strength to fight. Already seems to be happening.

If by “survive” you mean we will in intensive care, hooked up to a ventilator for life, with tire marks across our heads, then maybe. Oh wait we can’t afford health insurance after Obama’s big “win!” so no, we won’t survive.

Obama is clearly not a muslim, but seems to be a Republican committed to falling on his own sword.

Don’t generally like to recommend books, but I suggest you read “Proofiness” by Charles Seife. Don’t care for the title. It’s about numbers and how they lie. He goes into polls and samples. It’s interestingly written. One point he makes we should think about is the proliferation of information sources to the point where all we do is go to places that reinforce our beliefs. Conservatives go to Fox News and conservative blogs. Liberals listen to Rachel Maddow or visit FDL.

But forgetting the accuracy of polling, assuming you are correct and this great number of Americans favors ending tax cuts for the rich, their will is not being heeded. Can we change that?

I like the plan. If enough people committed that $10 per month, I wonder if we couldn’t recruit some former Democratic candidates to turn Green. I’m thinking of those who lost primaries, but not because they were flakes or felons or whatnot. My thinking is that they probably have some campaigning skills and if they have tried (especially more than once) to get somewhere but failed in the Democratic party, maybe they’d be willing to try with a decently-funded Green party.

You are right. I dreamed up a psychological theory explaining the urge to hierarchy. It boils down to we’ve been driven crazy by inferiority. Wrote a book. Can’t get an agent let alone a publisher. And so it goes.

The fact remains you discuss the end, not the means. Is there anything we can do to hasten capitalism’s downfall or at least get it to respond to the people’s will or are we condemned to sit here with our fingers crossed?

As a practical matter, impeachment is totally a political matter.

And there is where you lose me.

Of course politics plays a role, but the total role? So if it’s practically a political question as to whether to hold an individual accountable for violating his/her oathe of office and the constitution itself, it stands to reason that it’s totally a political matter as to whether or not a murderer, or rapist, or hit and run driver is held accountable too. After all, both state and federal AG’s are politically appointed/elected.

And just like that, no more are we a nation of laws but one of men (parties).

I’m well aware of how far down that road we already are, and I’m well aware of the practical effects politics plays on decisions, but once we shrug and say “Oh well, that’s the way it is” then we enable that behavior, that attitude that allows us to become a nation of men and not laws.

Because once you become that nation, then things like Presidents not being held accountable quickly turn into Congressmen not being held accountable which quickly turns into MOTU’s not being held accountable (in say, oh, a hit and run accident where the judge rules a felony conviction might hurt his earning power), which leads to everyone not being held accountable unless the persons responsible decide it’s OK to hold this one accountable but not that one.

I’ll not enable that by acquiescing to that standard, no matter how practically or reality speaking it may be true.

We are a nation of laws, not men. Impeachment is an accountability tool that gives one branch of government a check and balance over another. It is not a political tool to be used by parties as they deem fit.

YMMV

Try AK Press. I’m sure they will be receptive to your point of view. In fact, I know they will.

Personally I think capitalism will implode by itself.

Might as well. I think they can no longer claim “we suck less,” after all.

McGovern lost for many reasons starting with Eagleton. He also didn’t look presidential, not that Nixon looked that presidential either. Not sure what a presidential look is. McGovern, in times much like today’s, ran on progressive ideas and lost big. I don’t know if his platform followed the polls. I am sure that like OFG he thought a majority of the people were behind him. Turned out they weren’t.

“We have to deal with the world as we find it” is so very reminiscent of Rummy’s “You have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you wish you had.” Moral bankruptcy in both cases, from different angles, of course.

Obama, through Axe, declares himself to be a doormat, tells Teabaggers that “it’s fine to tread on me.”

How is all of this playing over at the Great Orange Satan?

Me too, dammit.

How hard can it be to return our edit function, a function we had BEFORE ALL THESE DAMN [SUPPOSED] IMPROVEMENTS???

I agree.

How about a “buy nothing” day, even one of those per month?

How about a “strike” on “Black Friday,” the traditional super-shopping day after Thanksgiving?

I registered Republican in 72 just so I could vote against Nixon twice, once in the primary.
I dont have to change registration to get the same pleasure of voting against Obama in 2012.

I think this is the right way to go at first. oldhippiejan did something similar last year and I joined in. I went a week without purchasing anything (although my electricity and water were still on, so I guess I “purchased” those items) and it wasn’t that big a deal to me.

If we can organize from a site, another one if Jane is uneasy about it being this one, where we agree to “consumer strikes” for certain days, certain weekends, maybe even a week or two at a time, I think we may make more of an impression than most folks think.

TPTB, at the end of the day, still want their profits. If we pressure them, they pressure the pols, and….

Or maybe I’m just dreaming again…

As usual, when you get right down to the nub, we don’t really disagree. I don’t think it should be a political matter, just that it is one. And because the political powers that be are utterly without integrity, we find ourselves with a social, legislative, judicial and political structure much like the scenario you described. I hate it. I wish we could follow the constitution’s guidance on this more closely. (In my book, bribery would completely disqualify the electoral process as it is currently practiced, i.e. campaign contributions.)

The Watergate scandal displayed the best example of a near impeachment operating under the principles you talk about. Clinton was a case study on how NOT to conduct the process. Ultimately it seems that, anymore, EVERY damn thing is political and worthy concepts such as a nation of laws are just not that fashionable nowadays. The foreclosue fraud scandal is a good example of laws just not being relevant anymore. Sucks, I know.

This has always been the M.O. . The exhaustion- distraction process has just been refined to the ‘nth degree.

“If Axelrod is the political genius…”

I’m waiting for Mark Penn to apply to the White House. If he does, I bet he’ll be hired. :o)

“How about…Black Friday?”

Whoa! You play for keeps, Mom! :o)

I’m belatedly joining the corrupt crowd.

We’ve waited patiently for your arrival, arms open wide, to embrace our new sistah!

*G*

Welcome!

I am proud to be one of the 2000 members of the IWW…

They are going to run with the Democrats who vote “D” no matter what, and not even bothering to pretend about the rest.

Except that’s not enough Dem votes to win in 2012. Obama’s campaign counted on, and used, Progressives to mount a massive GOTV effort, while also attracting enough moderate Dems and independents to give him the winning edge. It was a coalition.
Why on earth his administration immediately switched to

beating up on the hippies

almost as soon as he took over the White House is a total mystery to me. I can’t believe it was simple arrogance. It was monumentally stupid.
Stupid is as stupid does. — Forrest Gump

This is an example of top down, hierarchy. There is no reason why the community could not be involved in the form of the site. I, for example, would like a continuing discussion about possible alternatives to the way things are. For example, should you wish to coduct a no purchase day, it would be much easier with a network of people who might be persuaded to join you. I’m talking Facebook numbers, not FDL numbers.

Works out to be “George Bush’s third term” looks like to me.

WooHoo! Kin I join the “corrupt” club, guys?

Naw, only kidding. I’ve been in it for a while. :o)

goo goo gachoo

Let them filibuster!!!!

Ironically, Nixon had proposed a negative income tax during his first term. It was defeated in the Senate by an odd coalition of Northern liberals who thought it gave too little to the poor and Southern conservatives who thought it gave too much to the poor (read: blacks).

In 1972, McGovern came in with a similar plan but with a higher pay out as Northern liberals wished. You can’t blame Nixon for hammering McGovern over that (and of course white Southerners, Democrats in those days, heartily agreed with the Republicans).

Based on what I’ve read on this site, I get the feeling that change in America will be externally applied. This government has little to worry about from its citizens.

I think things will get a LOT worse before they get better. There will be food shortages, fuel shortages, of the third world kind (not the 1973 Embargo kind) that will cripple the macroeconomy. There will be health crises that will cripple the workforce. Crime will escalate from some quarters. Not likely anybody on this blog, but from people who will be eating catfood who DONT have access to the internet, but do have access to street gangs, drug cartels, weapons, and RAGE.

Expect the kind of social upheaval we saw in the 60s, at an order of magnitude that is much larger than anything that happened then. But that won’t solve it. It will be a stop along the way. It will be the beginning, not the end, of the end. When Turkey, Brazil, China, Russia and 20 or 30 other nations have effectively created their own alternative to the G20, their own alternative to international finance, with their own exchange rates, their own trade agreements, and their own treaties, the West will become irrelevant.

When the majority of Americans are starving in homes that have no electricity and broken vehicles in front lawns that can’t be operated, when America is one big continental ghetto, you can expect the 1% of this nation that own the 90% of the wealth to just up and relocate. They will have vacation homes in Beijing, Sao Paulo, and other cities. We will be finally able to accept our place inthe world. We will work for $7/hour because that will be the going rate in Siam, Mexico, Botswana, and America. It will be the global minimum wage, but it won’t be worth much when fuel is $15/gallon and a loaf of bread is $7 and a gallon of milk is $8. When we have to import our food because we’ve ruined our own agriconomy – from severe water shortages and desertification of arable land, to the overuse of corn and other “cash” crops (instead of using them for food and in lieu of crop rotation for excessive overuse of single crops for quick cash), and over reliance on GMO crops whose patents are owned by wealthy interests not in the US.

It appears that people in this nation, including readers of this blog, should be teaching their children other languages, getting them into exchange programs, and seeing if they can get admitted to universities in places like Brazil or China, in the hope that future American generations can find a better life in a better world. But for those of us left here – we just need to find a place to bury some canned goods and hope the future “Joint Task Force against Food Hoarding” dogs don’t find it before our starving mouthes do.

Cause we gave up. We gave up and we seem content to keep it that way. Hope is for our children. Who won’t be living on these third world shores. Based on what I’ve read in the comments.

I know Mauimom is really in Maui so she won’t still be around to see this, but maybe she will check back early tomorrow. This thread has been going since 10:30 last night (Weds.) and could easily make it to the 24-hr. mark.

I really, really like Mauimom’s idea to announce a general consumers’ strike. She thought the day after Thanksgiving would be a good day to start. I agree with that and let me add the suggestion that we continue the strike for the entire weekend after turkey day through the following Monday (Nov. 29).

The online merchants normally treat the Monday after turkey as their “Black Monday,” so we could combine our non-participation at all brick-and-mortar stores with non-participation in all online commerce. For four days in a row. Decent way to knock down some same-store sales figures for year-end earnings reports. I don’t Face or Tweet but enough Fire pups do that our non-participation could spread virally through Facebook and Twitter etc.

It’s good to dream. Nothing gets done without a few people taking action based on their dream/vision. Once the action starts, other people can see the action and decide if they like it and want to be part of it. Action is what counts, we should not look for reasons to take no action, we should dream and follow our vision with action. I agree with you and I agree with Mauimom on the consumers’ non-participation project.

I’m in agreement with that. Its better than giving up.

well, I think all you here at FDL should take some responsibility for not throwing your full support behind the Dems this election and turning dems against everything Obama. blame yourself!

Only one term. We need an alternative candidate

Then the bill goes to the Senate. And at that point, Axelrod is worried the Republicans are going to filibuster the tax cuts?

Please those tax cuts expire and we return pre-GWB tax rates if Congress takes time-off and takes it easy unless they secretly want to give those tax cuts and do not want to admit it. Country cannot afford two more years of those tax cuts coupled with WARs. Already I have seen enough misery and sadness around because of this miserable policy decision by GWB.

your onto something there Adam.

wait, dont tell me…..all because the republicans won the midterms, right?! am i right?!!