In what has to be one of the most morally and politically bankrupt ideas of all time, Ben White says the White House is considering someone for head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and surprise! It’s not Elizabeth Warren. It’s…Melissa Bean:
Buzz on Friday had Rep. Melissa Bean (D-Ill.) possibly getting tapped as the first Consumer Financial Protection Bureau head depending on the outcome of her too-close-to-call reelection race, in which Republican Joe Walsh maintained a slight lead as of Sunday afternoon. But a possible Bean nomination is not sitting well with reformers on the left who say the moderate Illinois congresswoman is far too close to the banking industry. Said one administration official: “It’s not clear she would be acceptable to the reformers.”
On the McLaughlin Report this weekend, Bill Press said Russ Feingold lost because he was too much of a “purist,” and that he should have taken PAC money. Now it’s “reformers on the left” who will object to Melissa Bean as the head of the CPFA because she is “far too close to the banking industry.” The implication is that it’s liberal “extremists” who are hobbling the party’s ability to act pragmatically, and want to drag the Democrats over a liberal cliff after the country has declared its preference for conservatives.
What the country has declared is that it prefers jobs, it doesn’t like the fact that the government is giving all their tax dollars to banks, and it consistently votes against the party in power if it isn’t standing up to the banks.
- FACT: Voters in the 2010 election thought the economy was the most important issue in virtually every poll.
- FACT: When asked who is to blame for the state of the economy, the #1 answer was the banks.
- FACT: Republicans won 56% of swing voters who blamed the banks.
Sebastian Jones, Pro Publica:
Many of those who lost come from conservative districts and are members of the Blue Dog Coalition, another conservative House coalition, but other New Democrats also fared poorly. Vice chair Melissa Bean, a critical player in the group’s efforts to weaken the overhaul of the financial services industry, is trailing a Tea Party-backed opponent in her suburban Chicago district.…Of those who blamed the banks, a solid majority voted against the Democrats, suggesting that despite having passed financial reform legislation, the party couldn’t shake off the notion it was too close to the banks.
- FACT: Financial reform is the only major Democratic action of the past two years that is popular with a majority of the public, by a margin of 61-37.
- FACT: Audit the Fed, one of the key provisions of the financial reform bill, was something both liberals AND conservatives fought for, and was supported by 80% of the public. Only 9% opposed it. Bean voted AGAINST Audit the Fed.
- FACT: Melissa Bean and the New Democrats were able to shoot the House derivatives plan full of holes.
- FACT: Three in four Americans (76%) wanted the government to block or recover the bonuses AIG paid its executives after taking TARP money.
- FACT: Melissa Bean introduced an amendment to gut a House bill to limit bonuses for TARP recipients. It passed.
- FACT: President Obama and the DNC made attacks on Chamber of Commerce money one of the tentpoles of the 2010 campaign.
- FACT: Melissa Bean “earned the most support of any incumbent from the US Chamber of Commerce,” per a Sunlight Foundation study of how the US Chamber of Commerce used former government officials as part of their lobbying team on financial regulation. Bean’s former Chief of Staff John Michael Gonzalez was one of the nineteen former government officials they hired.
- FACT: Bean received over 40% of her 2009 campaign contributions from the finance, insurance and real estate sector.
Somebody will have to explain to me why appointing Melissa Bean to head the CFPA is “good politics,” or why only “reformers on the left” would think it was a boneheaded move. Bean has consistently opposed popular measures to rein in the banks, while taking huge sums of money from the Chamber of Commerce and the banks, at a time when the public blames the banks (and politicians who are too cozy with them) for the state of the economy. The fact that her name would be floated at all as the head of an agency to oversee the banks is an indication that there’s some sort of death wish on the part of Democrats for the 2012 election.
But as a matter of policy, let’s remember that Melissa Bean was the author of the amendment to neuter the CFPA. She led the charge on behalf of the Wall Street banks to include “federal preemption” in the legislation, meaning that state regulations could be no tougher than the federal guidelines. Heather Booth, director of Americans for Financial Reform, said that “Bean’s amendment was considered the biggest threat to the CFPA.”
Before the election, Glenn Greenwald was on Democracy Now talking about Elizabeth Warren’s appointment as “Special Advisor” to Timothy Geithner, to help set up the CFPA. He said:
You even saw, with the cynical appointment of Elizabeth Warren, who probably will do some good being able to create this agency to police Wall Street abuses, nonetheless they stayed away from the fight to actually appoint her as the director of this agency, so that once the election is over, they can find somebody more pleasing to Wall Street.
If in fact Bean is appointed to head the CFPA, it’s safe to say that appointing Elizabeth Warren was indeed a “cynical” bait-and-switch move meant to gin up enthusiasm among liberals before the election. Because Bean would be much, much more pleasing to Wall Street. And it won’t just be “liberals” who think so.




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Tauscher II, Banksters Bugaloo !
I thank unknown dieties every day for ever having found this place. without FDL, I would have never known of her true agenda or her patron, and probably just thought of her as some ‘moderate, all but ineffective’ Dem
looks like we’re in for a Fierce Pragmatist Fest as to why she was the only ‘reasonable’ choice for the job
mad thanks, Jane
Thanks, cbl.
She really did take over Tauscher’s mantle. At least Tauscher had the good sense to get out before she had to pay the price for it.
This is a horrifying prospect.
What an amazingly inept political operation this White House is. There is really very little they can do right. Is a Bean nomination supposed to keep bankster money out of GOP coffers, like HCR neutering did for all that Big Phrma, Big Health and Big Insurance money in the midterms?
What a bunch of morons!
… “inept?”
No.
They are very adept at implementing the wishes of the people that matter to them.
It’s just that the innumerable victims of the financial predators who operate at the behest of the lords and masters don’t happen to be the people that matter to them.
all that’s missing is Chris Dodd’s ringing endorsement of her ‘qualifications’
Jane,
Melissa Bean and her pro-criminal banker agenda +
Barney Frank and his pro-criminal banker agenda =
Beans and Franks and homelessness for the rest of us…………
I knew this would drive you nuts, Jane.
Is there a means for support to Warren? I know, naive. thanks
Mike Allen is saying so? Pardon me if I wait for a credible source before I react.
The worst is yet to come.
Obama, the gift that keeps on giving!
It’s the political operation that’s inept.
Aligning this WH publicly with the banksters precluded Democrats from riding the populist wave of banker hate. It was foolish and inept, even if the White House favored the bankers, to allow that favor to show so clearly, when the teabaggers were building the GOP from scratch based on anger at the bailouts.
A card, perhaps?
Yet another “gift” from our DLC/Republican-lite tone-deaf President. Thanks, Barry, for absolutely nothing.
Im sure thats being negotiated.
Obama’s Presidency has been like Japanese water torture. A slow, demoralizing, soul-crushing agony.
When will all of this end?
the key point about Jane article is how they used the Elizabeth Warren appointment to hide their true intentions.
Elizabeth Warren was used by the White House. (knowing Elizabeth Warren she knew the White House intentions and can’t wait to get out of dodge)
The White House had one agenda, and it was to put a friend of Wall Street over CFPA.
Obama, Axelrod, Gibbs, Rahm, finger prints are all over this!!!
Obama, Axelrod, Gibbs, and Rahm must be leading the “JUST SAY NOW” movement because they are smoking a lot of “mary jane” if they think people are this stupid!
this is same game plan, they are using to cut Social Security. “the all powerful and holy Catfood Commission” will make dems and reps cut Social Security
Alright! The denouement of using Warren like a dogyummy for the starving progressive puppies. And now, no dogyummy! Hey, at least Obame knows how to do “bait and switch”. Of course, it’s in the wrong direction. :o(
Somewhat relevant, in the overall picture, is this comment, which is a clear nominee for the best political line of the year:
“The White House couldn’t sell cocaine to Charlie Sheen.” :o)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/08/zimmerman-dnc-charlie-sheen_n_780272.html
And she’s still a loser.
My god
What’s so amazing is that had Hilary prevailed over BHO we’d have had Bill running the political operation in the back rooms and he’s anything but politically tone-deaf. But no, we end up with Amateur Hour at 1600 Pennsylvania and no Adult supervision in sight.
He needs to be primaried in 2012.
I saw that when it first came out and it took enormous self control not to start destroying stuff in my hooch. JHFC on a crutch.
“…if they think people are this stupid.”
Really! And what are we going to, Jed? Flex our thick, ropy, democratic/progressive muscles at them? About a week ago, Barack Obama just finished the job of baking the new conservative cake.
This is just the first layer of icing going on it. More to come.
26 more months minimum. Some of us won’t be around to see it.
The “Timmeh”/Obameh tag-team pulls the rug under Warren ALREADY; instead for a gazing Bean COUNTER!
So, once again, Obama hides behind the Republicans to do what they wanted to all along.
I hope he know he’ll go down as one of the most reviled presidents in the history of the country…bipartisanly to boot.
Yeah. And then some.
Welcome to the new America.
Ear to the ground, tongue in the butt: that’s Mike’s credibility with the Village. If he transcribes it, someone important said it.
yeppers, pretty much snark on my part – prolly have to sedate him for the Big Rollout™
then again, as noted on this thread, their messaging/optics is teh suck so they’ll forget that part and we’ll be treated to an all but pornographic love fest – joy
Inevitable,
Loose an election because you are punching DFHs?
exhibit your anger by punching DFHs again!
Banana Republic.
We lost it in 2000…regardless what anyone else says, that was when our very first dictator was appointed. there’s no wiggle room left.
Uh-huh.
And here’s Mark Penn, Hillary’s top “campaign strategist”, as he was recently flacking for a terrist attack so that Obama could “reconnect” with the voters:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/08/zimmerman-dnc-charlie-sheen_n_780272.html
Which, my 2c, is reason enough to pat ourselves on the back for NOT picking ms. triangulation and her “savvy” crew for our nominee, and even more relevantly, for not supporting her, if she bails out on Obama to run against him in 2012.
I am going to join the Cenk, Dylan, Greenwald, movement to do the 2008 campaign without Obama the trojan horse
We are sending our membership and friends information like this daily.
At first a lot of them thought we were making this stuff up about Obama, now a majority of them are furious and you have some that are sad/and mad.
People don’t like being CON, especially in the middle of GREAT DEPRESSION number 2
As Eli says, this creates an entirely new class of people exempt from felony prosecution: workers in all fields where a felony is a work disqualification.
Wonderful news for our overclass.
As if he wasn’t bad enough before trying to ease Olbermann out the door at MSNBC
Yep. The untouchable ruling caste is here.
I know it’s not the same, but I do suspect the driver may be subject to considerable tort liability…IMHO.
Goes back to St. Ronnie,
when he convinced the country that cannibalizing the middle class to feed the upper would make everyone better off.
I agree, he needs to be, not just primaried, but dumped, in 2012.
That is, if, in mid-2012 the dem “leadership”, looking at a reprise of the ass-kicking we just got, doesn’t have the self-interest to go over to the White House and tell him that the fiddler’s drunk and the fun’s all over.
I support you. Good luck to us.
You know, it wouldn’t piss me off quite so much if Obama would just say “We can’t have Elizabeth Warren because in this post-Citizens-United era we simply need the support of the banksters and other corporate interests for the increasingly expensive election campaigns that are waged today.”
On second thought, yes, it would still piss me off as much. http://www.publicampaign.org
Our Sunday paper had a big piece on the many TXans who may head a congressional committee + many comments about the investigations that may ensue. Lots to look forward to here, + a time now to look backward.
For now perhaps…until the judge decides that his credibility or something precludes him from having a judgment against him. And you’re right, lawsuits are nothing compared to prison time which is what he deserves.
If you truly want it to end, then November 2, 2012…………..
Melissa Bean? Are you kidding?
Orson Bean, Billy Beane, or even Mr. Bean would be a better choice than her.
Not quite like the untouchables at the opposite end of the social scale.
Or, American style waterboarding, take your pick………..
Yet the injured victim could get a whole lot of comfort from a bunch of money….
Surprise, surprise. They move to betray the American people yet again and act like those “professional left” are the only ones who’re angry about it. The American people aren’t buying it any more, and we’re going shopping for alternatives to the Republicans and Democrats.
Obama’s Presidency has been like Japanese water torture. A slow, demoralizing, soul-crushing agony.
When will all of this end?
Answer: January 20, 2013. Obama will return to Chicago Law School, where he’ll teach a seminar entitled “Civil Liberties: An Unaffordable Luxury in a Post 9/11 World.”
lordy gal, that’s incredibly close to what Preznit Mush-Mouth actually said in the 60 Minutes piece:
LOL. Mr. Bean would be a lot more fun.
OT: I have a new neighbor who practices the piano ALL the time….sounds like a skating rink around here. I do wonder why he thinks someone wants to hear him, the scales, et al all the time. (SD, pardon my whine)
First rule of the plutocracy. Do no harm if at all possible to fellow plutocrats.
Since the Warren appointment was always a patent fraud, the sooner Obama dumps her the better. A Warren on the outside, a darkhorse potential challenger to Obama in 2012, is much more valuable than a Warren co-opted by these vulture capitalists!
Melissa Bean and her pro-criminal banker agenda +
Barney Frank and his pro-criminal banker agenda =
Beans and Franks plus a side of homelessness for the rest of us……….
Cuz when he wants to sound folks-y, he sorta talks in slang.
It’s an intentional slap in the face to everyone who wanted Elizabeth Warren to head the bureau. I think they are consciously attempting to deflate, shed, and destroy the base of the party, and they are enjoying themselves immensely in the process.
Warren/Wallach ticket for 2012!
Elizabeth Warren and Lori Wallach (of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch)
How Bill Press keeps his job is beyond me. Must be blowing the right people.
folksy or not, that interview is a train wreck – I notice none of his apologist friends have posted about it today
just dawned on me, the needle must have landed on Concerned™ when the WH Messaging Geniuses spun that Big Wheel
A new line for the Defense, along with the Twinkie Defense. More selective prosecution passed down from Bush II and Bush III.
Weren’t folks calling her a Bank Wh$r# just 9 months ago?
I also have a neighbor who is similarly annoying. You simply need to invest in a industrial-grade set of ear protectors, like those worn at NASCAR races. They work like a charm!
Wow, where do you get them? Plain vanilla ear plugs do not work.
RevBev, re: the investigations: I assume you’re talking about the possiblity of impeachment.
I can’t think of anything better for democrats and worse for the republicans than Obama’s actually being removed from office by impeachment. I hope the GOP IS that stupid.
Removing Obama would mean:
that their best bud, the guy that rehabbed them from the asswhipping they got in 2008, would be gone. They wouldn’t have him to point to in 2012, while saying: “There he is, folks. The leader of the democratic party!”
that Joe Biden would take over, with a pretty good semblance of a fresh start, and not too much Obama-manure stuck on him, since VP’s are supposed to tote the hod, anyway.
Biden might turn out to have some vestigial Truman/Roosevelt DNA in himself, and might use what power the prez has left, to somewhat thwart the GOP’s mouth-froth to permanently instill the corporate fourth Reich.
Put it like this: Biden, would, at the least, be something of an unknown factor as to what he might or might not do as president. With Obama, we know this:
He’s rehabbed the GOP for a fare-you-well.
He’s dragged the democratic party into the shithouse.
He’s got a bright, pulsating, L-for-loser, tatted on his forehead.
He’s clearly willing to do even more of the same for the republicans. (See: this thread!)
I almost said he was desperate…enough so to perhaps gin up a mid-east war, to try to save his “legacy”…but mulling it over, I don’t think he’s desperate about much of anything; to me, he looks like he’s just resigned to whatever happens to him, and to the people who gave him an historic opportunity…to squander.
Which is why I think that when the democrats give him the word in about 18-20 months, he’ll go quietly. It will be the most statesmanlike thing he’s done.
A French Jurist during their Revolution was quoted as saying, “First, the decision is made, then the facts are agthered.”
FACT: I voted AGAINST EVERY Democratic Incumbent I could find on my ballet, because I DEPLORE Obama’s Presidency, every stinking decision he’s made, and I dispise how easily the Democrats in Congress refused to stand up to Obama & fight for Democratic ideals.
FACT: This election had NOTHING to do with the Republicans. Dems got slaughtered because they treated their voters like GARBAGE, with HCR, with Financial reform, with EVERY decision Obama & Congress made.
FACT: Young voters who turned out in masses to elect Obama in ’08 recognized this & didn’t bother to vote. Enough long-time Dem. supporters voted in hoards AGAINST Incumbents to send a clear message to Obama & the Democratic Party.
FACT: As usual, OBAMA & the Democratic Leadership are blaming everyone but their corrupt decision-making for the “shellacking” they took. No surprise, they reacted the same way to Coakley’s defeat.
ANYONE care to refute these FACTS (other than my vote :>))), call Jane & team!
Home Depot, Lowe’s. You can stuff extra foam rubber in the socket if out-of-the-box isn’t good enough.
What a crock of shit that statement is…
John Boehner loves tanning salons for a reason………….
Indeed they are. Republicanized Democrats could care less about losing elections in the interim. Why? Because they know that when the Dragon Breathers that are the truly named Republicans scorch enough earth, they know that the electorate in their greatest fits of desparation will then turn back to them by default. If you haven’t already, now’s the time to get underground. The temperature on the surface is about to reach 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The truly named Republicans are getting ready to turn up the heat…………..
here Rev
http://www.safequip.com/hear_protect.htm
Found Here:
http://www.safequip.com/contact_page.htm
Michelle is already paving the road, revealing in her conversation with Carla Bruni, that she hates being first lady, that it is hell.
although Home Depot or Loew’s should work as well
Ive come to the conclusion that Obama is being walked through all this, hand in hand by the people he picked, who were picked because obama saw them as “serious” patriarchal types who could fill out all the forms correctly. Im not excusing Obama, as a leader and as a human being, democrat,(whatever metric you want to use based on his performance)he comes up short. I think hes driven by a desire to be a big-shot on an historical level, and everything else is a perk (and there are so many). Ive also come to the decision(unfortunate as it seems) that presidents as young as obama,clinton or bush 2,are not a good thing. Presidents should be well into the grandparent years, having an absent or severely moderated competative sex drive (this is the seat and control room of the ego). They also should have LOTS of experience taking care of other people, and should be old enough to be looking forward to having to be taken care of again, as adults, themselves.
Here’s the Bean Grease List.
Wow, you truly must be a malcontent………………..
Some of the specifics were out of the Judiciary to look at Ob “missteps” + “enhanced oversight at Justice…” and on the Energy Committee for “vigorous congressional oversight” to “uncover” O. mistakes…., among other committee plans.
Who knew? Thanks to you both.
I should add; there is a time factor to any effort by the GOP to impeach him. If they wait until midsummer of 2012 to start the process, it’s prolly a win-win situation for them. Biden won’t have time to do much of anything to reverse the tsunami, and he won’t have time to convince voters that he’d be able to do something about our problems.
The repubs could still reap bennies by waiting until 2012 to mount it. It would tie Obama up in knots, and after it had progressed a bit, they could “magnanmiously” take the position of “Well, we didn’t think it right to put the country through any more of this.” Doing it with the stone certainty that he’d be gone, anyway.
This one aint rocket science. The repubs hold practically all of the cards. It’s just a matter of when and how they want to play them.
Thanks, Barack. Hell of a job.
Nice portrait…a nice view of grandparents. They really are usually more concerned about coming generations….Erickson’s Generativity stage. How did that work for 41, however?
The notion that Democrats are too close to the banks is based in the reality.
Surprise, surprise that the banksters will get what the banksters want.
“The voters can go f*ck themselves” should be the Democrats’ new mantra in 2012.
Jon Walker has a fresh cross-post ready: Obama Again Admits His Health Care Law Is Republican, Not Progressive
It IS a crock of shit.
The country declared it’s disgust with a slacker president and his party, as they threw away a great opportunity, and sustained the shit they inherited.
Agreed. As Glenn Greenwald put it, if you speak in terms of cable news idiocy, then most Americans will reflexively say smaller gov’t, less taxes, etc. But when you go issue by issue, the reverse is true. Keep medicare, medicaid, social security without cuts, reign in Wall Street, give a public option similar to medicare for all, keep unemployment insurance, etc. Go issue by isssue nad you will find that most people like “big government”…………….
Didn’t we all expect Obama to dump Warren as soon as the elections were over?
Well, by comparison i would rate him as more responsible overall then BO, Chimpy or Bubba, but he was also kind of like montgomery burns. Right wing republican, former CIA executives are low on my list whatever other qualities they might have.
who says the GOP has to impeach Obama? If we truly have any real progressives in the CPC (i know, i know…i’m not holding my breath either) that’s who needs to start impeachment proceedings. at least we know it would focus on real issues and not birth certificates…
Yet, this is the kind of country we are: new Gallup. 64% support the death penalty. “Nuf said”. BBL
It’s not like the perp would have need for his fancy car, fancy house, and piles of money if he were in prison. So let’s incarcerate him and let his victim have these things, too.
We all knew it when Bush was in.
The crime is that we failed to see it in 2008, and so many fail to see it even now.
People are entitled to quiet enjoyment of their premises.
Complain, then escalate.
Bev, I just don’t think there’s anything the can use to really get him.
Again, they’d be idiots to WANT to get him out of office. The voters are already disgusted with him, and getting more so. Why remove him?
Having said that, a well-timed, even unsuccessful impeachment (and doesn’t that have to be in the Senate?) might be the last tumbler falling in place for a GOP landslide in 2012. I think the only chance we have for averting that is for Obama to announce that he won’t seek a second term sometime around mid-summer.
2012
“Who says…”
A lot of democrats are talking about it as if it were a horrible thing.
Cat: “Didn’t we all expect Obama to dump Warren as soon as the elections were over?”
I didn’t. I thought that he would keep her on as head of a thoroughly neutered CFPB. I mean, she’s practically got to ask Geithner for permission to go pee. How big a threat to Wall Street would she be, if she stayed?
Now, the poor woman has to feel like a lady who met a neat guy, had the honesty and the willingness to take him home for the night, then wakes up with a “thank you” note wrapped around a $20 dollar bill.
I expect she’s such a team player that we won’t hear a word of criticism from her. Hope I’m wrong.
With a tad of snark, Chicano Veterans Organization did their “Friday dump” back in the early part of October, expressing their displeasure with the Obama and Biden Administration. Thus, the expressed purpose was that there would be very few if any Latino votes in 2012 or for their re-election bid, provided that Congresswoman Nydia Velazquez, Chair of the Small Business Committee in the House, passed 8 legislative pieces beneficial to the small business community. Consequently, if there are no substantive provisions for On-the-Job Contracts and government-created jobs for the unemployed, Obama and Biden would be toast.
And on the following Monday, Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis, announced that the small business legislation did include the relevant provisions affirmatively impacting the unemployed. Given, where this body of legislation has now been approved by Congress, Latinos are now standing ready to make a decision on the Obama and Biden administration and President Obama’s and Vice-President Biden’s political future.
Given that Obama and Biden can no longer “suck up” to the Latino voter, the balloon on a Melissa Bean appointment, is totally irrelevant, since the Democratic Party, writ large, has a pending “problem” of significant scope, that Democrats cannot weasel out of this segment of our society for and on behalf of the unemployed. And if not careful, the Obama and Biden administration will find for themeselves that Native Americans will obviously “join” the Latino community in expressing their displeasure at the ballot box in 2012.
Thus, the “guantlet” was tossed onto the political floor, and Obama and Biden will have to address this and with much forthrightness and with considerable transparency. Moreover, the flouished Rhetoric no longer has any pizzazz, or if your proclivity is to a literary rhetoric and license, try “piss-ass”.
Jaango
“It would tie Obama up in knots.”
DEFINITELY, my bad! :o)
His political ‘nads are sitting in a mayo jar on John Boehner’s desk.
With the new bipartisan shit that he’s now talking, why would they want to tie him up in knots?
As of last week, it’s like the repubs have this nice, juicy, fryer-chicken out in the yard…when do they want to have dinner?
Yet another example of the fox guarding the henhouse….well, considering that Obama and his WH staff like nothing better than dumping on their base, it is sadly not surprising.
You might be as right as a snake. If Michells truly doesn’t like being FLOTUS, that could cut some ice with Obama. I think he listens to her, a lot.
But if that’s true, then she’s a lousy adviser, as far as political survival goes. And I can’t believe that she wants him to go down as the poster boy for a failed president.
I like your way of thinking.
Am just surprised he is taking so long to dump Warren.
If on December 1 President Obama does not completely recoil from the findings of the cat food commission, even the most recalcitrant of his believers should finally understand Obama was never a progressive/liberal, whatever you want to call the left wing in this country.
All this proves, yet again, we MUST fashion a real alternative to the Dems for 2012. A third party in the traditional sense, won’t do it, nor will a dump Obama movement, no matter how many Dems want to dump him. Look how long the greens have been trying to get off the ground. They gain ground in an extremely slow process.
Facebook hit half a billion members in a short time. What can we do to attract people to our cause? Members first, third party second.
Couldn’t agree with you more. I wanted to see every incumbent except feingold and Grayson lose, so I’m not going to cry alligator tears over the outcome. Now it’s time to focus on the second blow, taking Obama out in 2012 and the rest of the corporatist Dems with him. I would rather have to rebuild a true fighting Democratic party down the road after the Repugs apply their tonic to a dying system than support these clowns Obama, Reid,Pelosi, et al wjile we head to a slow death. In case no one noticed, we actually live in a failed state and a criminal one to boot. Michael Moore’s slow death approach (capitlaism stinks but we have to support Dems cause Repugs are so much worse!) is a prescription for continued frustration! Onwards to 2012, just watch Obama on 60-Minutes and you know he’s an easy target, he’s such an empty suit, Dubya appears to have gravitas in comparison!
Wasn’t it Politico that floated Geithner’s trial balloons of office redecorating to try and submarine Warren before?
Why is it that this is any more credible?
It is political suicide for 2012. I’m not counting on Obama’s vision just his desire to get re-elected.
Warren’s credibility is one of the few things he has left.
And to Ekunin
We most certainly need to vote Obama out. There will be no forward movement with him in office. He is the main roadblock.
How do you propose to do this?
Ms Hamsher. You write almost as if surpriesed that the Warren appointment was nothing but cynical bait and switch. You explain very nicely why there is no way forward with Democrats. Will you then take the final, logical step and abandon the idea of “taking the Democratic Party back” which has got you what you see today, and instead join a fight against it through a 3rd party?
Since the banksters are Obama’s real base, let them take care of his 2012 campaign.
I hate Reagan and everything he stood for, but the cannibalization of the middle class began under Carter. Trucking, airlines, and rail industries were all deregulated under Carter with the help of Ted Kennedy and the Democrats. they’ve been jamming their fists up our butts for 40 years all the while pointing at the Republicans.
Yeah, then we wouldn’t have known how far down the river Bill had sold us until 10 years later. The Clinton presidency was as much a failure as this one, and a Hillary Clinton presidency would have been no different.
We must rid the Democratic Party of PINOs (Progressives In Name Only) and CADOHs (Compromisers At the Drop Of a Hat), or destroy the party completely and replace it with a true progressive party. Either option is fine by me. Until we do one or the other, we are (to borrow from David Byrne) on a road to nowhere.
The process is beginning. Did you miss this?
315 comments by at least 52 different voices. Add your voice tomorrow on the upcoming diary: “Last Call: Who Should Primary Obama?”
January of 2013 when a monstrous fucking Republican will be take the oath of office.
you’ll never “rid the democratic party” leaders of conservatives and apologists for globalism because that is the core of power and means of support for that party. they are truly,not different observably from republicans except in the most meaningless and marginal ways. they were at one time (slightly) substantively different as far as economic policy went, but those days are over. Globalism is the enemy. Capitalism is the problem. Capitalism is a 300 year old economic caste system that cannot be any more “reformed” than it already is. Any efforts at change that do not aknowledge this are doomed to failure.
Like I said, destroying the party works for me, too.
“Who should primary Obama?”
Don’t worry, with the numbers he’s going to have, and the thimbleful of political clout, it’s going to be: “Please take a number.”
In fact, watching the rats leaving this Titanic, is going to become first-class spectator sport.
Fine, but the party is destroying itself. I think any effort in terms of time, money, thought, whatsoever if invested into electoral political schemes is wasted. The system WILL NOT TOLERATE any kind of interference from people trying to disrupt and upset it. How can third party, or small reformist movements POSSIBLY hope to enter that fixed arena (as things stand right now) and compete with the resources of global capitalism on thier ever changing terms? The capitalists’ media monopoly is probably doing the most damage. How can people act if they are acting on information that is made up of fantasy, lies and the ommision of relevant facts? Joining (or forming) radical left organizations dedicated to constructing and teaching the truth as an “alternative” narrative to globalist/millitarist/capitalist propganda somehow, has to be the goal. People respond to actions not to words. Maybe the left should rebuild itself by removing itself from a hopelessly corrupt process and work to gain converts the way the religious right did. By taking positive action and preaching “the gospel” of anti capitalism in the street, homes, worplaces, shelters, legal clinics, day-cares, and everywhere else the people live.
First off, destroying the Democratic Party, is not going to happen since, we, in the Native American/Chicano community are going to “own” it, and along with the Republican Party, we are going to “own” it too.
Consequently, the catch word for the next 40 years or two generations, will be, “Empowering the Individual”. And that puts the presumed leaders at odd with this new and impending “base”.
Now, how big or large is your Peace Pipe? And do you use the good stuff. And now that I am off on another tangent, Arizona’s medicinal marijuana Proposition is still having its votes counted and all due to the untold story and which is that Republican “women” were in support of this ballot proposition. And because Democrats don’t do any “reach out” to Republican women, Democrats continue to lose in districts where they should always be odds-on favorite to win.
Thus, Democratic women know the “how to” when it comes to this ‘reach out’ and the men, are happy to languish in their non-knowledge status for success in a political arena where the “sharp elbows of competition” are gaining in ascendance.
Of course, Bean still doesn’t know whether she’s coming or going.
Jaango
why would the Chicano and Native American Communities want “own” an instituion as useless to thier needs and goals as the Democratic party? Are the goals of Chicano and Native Americans Imperialist entryism? Do those communities want thier own Obama figurehead in the whitehouse? or do they want revolutionary change?
What about a symbolic protest in which everyone, wherever they are, just wears a symbol (such as a zero, which symbolizes that we’ve gotten zero of our real concerns addressed/zero confidence) that indicates our common disgust with sellouts and the insane?
No centralized leadership; just straight, expressed frustration.
Bean has been a flagrant suck up to the banks. Can’t Obama even pretend he has some feeling for the 90% of Americans, or is it his private high school and Harvard background that has made him just another elitist?
Revolutionary Change?
Nah, incrementalism will do just fine. And here are few “premises” for you to consider.
1) All political parties are prohibited from accepting membership applications from the avowed bigots and racists.
2) The military draft will be reconsituted but done in the form of an “academic-military” Draft.
3. Trilingualism will be established, and thusly, in K-12, with English and Spanish being taught simultaneously. In the Ninth Grade, the student will commence learning to speak and write in a parent-selected third language.
Of course, this is only for starters, and moreover, there won’t be room for any low information voters. And If I really get pissed, everyone will have to wear some of that ink stain on their respective thumb come each Election Day. Otherwise, the “fine” will not exceed $1,000 and if by chance you fail to vote, the “fine” will go into the “fund” that pays the cost for candidates waging political battle for the House, Senate, and the Oval Office. Thusly, Citizens United will have been a relic of the political past.
Now, don’t get me started ’cause I can be long-winded. And don’t get me started on the “idea” that Hilda Solis, just might be Obama’s “primaried” Challenger in 2012.
Jaango
You already covered this topic definitively in your prior post:
whats an “academic millitary draft”?
Actually I think Rahm, Axelrod, Summers have already scurried down the tether-ropes and Gibbs(y) won’t be far behind…the only rat left is the Rat-in-Chief but he’s got to stick around to be the foil for cutting Social Security. Oh, if he would only pull a Palin and resign to join Fox News!
I missed it, but I’d be surprised if a primary will happen. I’ve been way wrong before, so it wouldn’t be the first time.
A good idea-better than a general strike because no one runs any risk. The thing is the demonstration must be massive for two reasons (1)to impress the establishment and (2) to impress ourselves that we can pull it off. The question is how do you get say 40 million people to wear an armband at the same time.
Well, there’s still Hillary, and she’s going to be the one to watch, to see if she hits the hawserlines. And when.
I’m sure the White House’s think was something like, let’s give the ‘professional left’ a bone and appoint Elizabeth Warren to an ‘advisory’ role BEFORE the election to ensure the left’s turnout, while we find a good corporate shill for AFTER the election…
This White House is turning out to be more Republican than Bush/Cheney — with a bit better quality erudition…
The terms, unfortunately for them, are not ever-changing. Before the first primary is held, the rules for all primaries will be known, and one rule will not change; you get the signatures, you’re on the ballot. So we get the signatures and we run to the left of Obama, killing tow birds with one stone: the getting-on-the-general-election ballot bird, and the messaging bird.
I want to see a viable third party as much as anyone, but for the very reasons you cite, it ain’t gonna happen in the short term. But blowing up the Democratic Party and taking it back for the Left? Absofreakinlutely.
Makes no diff; When I contributed $$ to Obama, and voted for him, I certainly didn’t do it thinking I was supporting Bush dark. I’m starting to think that Obama might be the most cynical of all. Either that, or seriously, sadly, pathologically delusional. At this rate, he’ll need another term just to clean up the rot that’s progressed under his first term. What a debacle.
Thanks. I am an independent thinker. I don’t subscribe to Democrats or Republicans lunatic policies. Too bad 95 percent of the country falls for this garbage election cycle after election cycle…………
Presumably, Mr. Obama hopes that the professional left will exhaust itself early on, as he puts out these trial balloons, all with the same message: it ain’t gonna be Elizabeth Warren. He seems driven to mimick the success of Herbert Hoover and the 1930′s GOP. If I hadn’t read his campaign literature, I would be certain Mr. Obama was a middle of the road, concessionary, corporatist gradualist whom Martin Luther King would have excoriated for seeing a tree or two, but no forest. He seems destined to reap defeat from the jaws of victory.
Agreed and seconded.
What I’m wondering is how Elizabeth Warren will weigh in on this. She’s supposed to be setting up the CFPB. You’d think she would at least have a veto over the eventual nominee.
But, holy cow, what if she approves!
I think she’ll go quietly. She’s a team player, and to tell the truth, after she let Obama yo-you her around in front of us without his going to bat to give her CFPB outright, I’ve lost some respect for her.
But the real story here is the one that Jane tells; it looks like a bait-and-switch that comes from more of the same willingness to crap on progressives.
And so much of this has gone on that I don’t know how any democrat, much less, a liberal, can defend him anymore.
On Election Night, I didn’t cast a single vote for a “Democratic Party” candidate — thanks to apparatus of the party. I’m just about done with President Obama.