In case it wasn’t clear to everyone after watching two years of politically driven lockstep obstructionism in the Senate, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, fresh on the heels of Tuesday’s big Republican victory, has again directly stated that his top goal is to make sure Obama loses in 2012. From The Hill:
“Over the past week, some have said it was indelicate of me to suggest that our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term in office,” McConnell will say Thursday during a speech at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
Before people start thinking McConnell is some kind of partisan hack, from his perspective, his logic is both politically and ideologically sound. There is a very strong case that preventing Obama from getting re-elected should be his top goal.
McConnell is a Republican and believes in the party’s platform. By nature, he opposes what Democrats stand for. McConnell wants to see Republicans elected and his goal should be to get many Republican policies passed into law, which is almost impossible with a Democrat as president
McConnell has basically two options. One, he can try to reaching bipartisan compromise with Obama for a few small changes McConnell wants while also being forced to enshrine in law things he opposes. Doing this carries the strong risk of making Obama more likely to win re-election and Democrats more likely to win back the House. The result would be a minor compromise in policy, but a real chance of Obama winning re-election. And with Obama in office, McConnell would at best only get minor compromise policy “victories” for another four years.
Option two is to obstruct and attack Obama, hoping it increases the chance of a Republican being elected president in 2012 and more Republicans elected to the Senate. (Note: the Senate playing field will be very favorable to Republicans in 2012.) With full Republican control, they could enact sweeping conservative policy changes.
It would seem that sacrificing two years of possibly minor compromise victories in the hopes of big political and policy gains in 2012 is the smart move from McConnell’s perspective.
The point is that Obama’s hope of reaching some glorious bipartisan compromise with Republicans is a fool’s pipe dream. Obama can’t reach out to the Republicans and simply find some way to “reason” with them because of basic game theory. From the GOP’s perspective, they have already embraced the most logical and reasonable plan of action, which is to do anything they can to bring down Obama’s presidency.
You can’t reach compromise with a group when they’ve concluded it is in their best interest not to compromise. In the face of this cold reality, Obama’s theoretically sincere repetition that he believes he can somehow find magic bipartisanship only makes him look ineffective, weak, and deeply dishonest. Obama needs to wake up to this reality and find a way to explain it to the American people because McConnell has already put Obama’s re-election on the line.
I do not agree with McConnell’s thinking. I wish his top goal were to help the millions of Americans struggling right now, but I can appreciated the cold, simple logic of it.



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How long did it take for McConnell to kill “compromise” and “bipartisanship?” Less than 24 hrs after the election and slightly more than 5 hrs after Obama’s press conference! The election results have emboldened the GOP and have convinced many of them that their strategy of obstructionism will work. The GOP will continue to beat the crap out of Obama, rub his nose in it, and send him packing like a scalded dog in 2012. Obama’s concept of “bipartisanship” and “consensus building” appears weak in light of what’s heading his way.
It is hard to feel sorry for Obama when he has put his own re-election above helping the people.
Obama is afraid of confrontation, not a leader.
… and all this without even facing the reality that Obama’s pro-corporate policies will mesh nicely with the GOP’s corporate masters even as they vociferously deny that fact…
The GOP HATES Obama. It’s that simple. They see him as a shitty half-breed not fit to shine their pointy shoes. You can stop right there and go no further. Is it racism? Duh? But it’s much more. They see in Obama everything they hate about parts of America today everything. So try as he will to show them that on the inside he’s really lilly white Barry Obama from IOWA a Harvard trained Corp. lawyer they aren’t buying. In their world he’s Barack Obama from Kenya a Muslim usurper of the ‘merican red neck dream.
O/T
Where are all those “Democrats” that belittled and chastised us for opposing the health care bill? We tried to tell them the result would be annihilation at the polls. Funny how you don’t hear from them now.
Remember that folks when they appear again to tell progressives they must accept this or that bullshit compromise.
This is a long term struggle, and we need to make sure folks reading sites like this one know who’s credible and who isn’t. It may not be nice, but it’s necessary. Our only hope as a country is to move to the left. And as more and more internet readers become convinced that things we advocate for here are right, more and more will vote with us.
Obama doesn’t understand game theory and he does not play chess.
He plays poker and he is losing virtually every hand.
It’s not poker.
He’s playing bridge, and underbidding every hand.
This analogy sounds good, and may have been applicable, to someone else. But Obama is bought and paid for, period. Obama did and will continue to do what the big money players who bankrolled his campaign tell him to do, and nothing more. Obama took in over 895,000.00 dollars from Goldman Sachs during the 2008 election. If anyone who is still scratching their heads and can’t figure out why Obama’s policies have tilted toward the rich, well, hasn’t been paying any attention. Forget about Obama, time to move onto something intelligent…………..
Chris Matthews is full of jokes tonite, the GOP made Obama lefty
Obama was force to pass Lefty Bills says Chris
you can’t forget NBC = GE, so much for the liberal media
listed below are all the lefty thing Obama does
1st Obama endorses the Bush agenda of spying on and killing americans
2nd Obama attacks Unions (the F! the UAW moment screams republican)
3rd Obama double downs on Bush Wars, (now they are Obama wars)
4th Obama attacks Teacher Unions (teacher unions now hate OBAMA)
5th Obama does not attack the Banks? he bails them out? (sorta like what the GOP does)
6th Obama passes the Bob Dole Health Care Bill (Bob Dole is a republican)
7th Obama kills the Public Option
8Th Obama kills Drug Importation
9Th Obama APPOINTS an insurance executive to manage his health care Bill
10th Obama does not APPOINT Dawn Johnsen
11th Obama hand picks the cat food commission to destroy Social Security
12th Obama supports Blanche Lincoln, a candidate who hates Unions, and has no chance of winning
Chris Matthews the man that works for NBC, that is own by GE thinks Obama is a Lefty
IF Obama loves compromise so much maybe he should just let Boner or O’Connell have his leather chair in the WH.
He’s already compromised away everything he ran on.
How he could take away that he hasn’t compromised from this election is, as Jon sez, deeply dishonest. His base deserted him because of it too.
One more brick in the wall of proof that this guy is on the Republican side and nobody is on the side of the people of this country.
Obama is no “lefty” no even milquetoast liberal. but the TEEVEE keeps saying it so it must be true.
The economy and the American Dream are in the toilet for the long future, the Republican’s will do no better with the fix than the Democrats did, so they’re on the ropes by this time next year. All of Beck’s black helicopter martian loonyness and Limbaugh’s race baiting screeching “Socialism!” every 1/2 hour will not make the obvious go away – voters have less money left over after the bills are paid, the rich getting richer, shops closing, jobs lost. Both parties let it happen, deregulation, both are to blame, neither has an answer. We’re fucked.
13 Guantanomo still open for business
14.Patriot Act renewed
15. renditions continue
16. Bernanke reappointed
17. Americans targeted for assassination
yeah, Obomber needs to move right to save his presidency
primary this impostor
The first two years were one long scavenger hunt for republican votes that amounted to finds counted on one hand. No matter how much legislation was watered down, it wasn’t enough. How did that work out. So the lesson learned is to compromise more, which caused massive political democratic slaughter, to republicans who never compromise which resulted in historic wins.
Ray Charles can even see how crazy that is.
I long since lost hope of seeing any substantive legislation from this President’s administration, but I wish he did not continue to make himself appear a laughingstock to the Republicans and the mass media. To them he is a “liberal” and I strongly object to the public at large feeling that I, as a progressive, have any opinions or policies in common with those of his administration or that I am willing to compromise everything I believe in for the sake of bipartisanship.
I kind of feel like I should be holding up a sign reading “I am a Progressive, not a Fool”.
It seems our elected officials, both parties, are corporate and bankster fluffers.
It’s appeared weak as soon as he entered office and made clear that all his rhetoric on the stump would translate to “fold like a card table” when put into practice.
Ahh, but they were neither compromises, nor (Dem) victories. The OP has already pushed the Dems so far to the right that anything they pass is a GOP victory.
Politically, they are light years smarter than we are.
Ronald Reagan is more liberal than Obama. Always remember that and constantly repeat it.
Obama needs to implement some more REX’84 procedures, and make sure McConnell gets some~~~Edited by Moderator. No violence suggestions allowed~~~ like Bush did in ’01 with his shadow government team. McConnel had to do this today from the safety of the Heritage Foundation where lies can be made up, fabricated, and implemented into our daily right wing shil media forum. McConnels exactly like one of those corporate brown nosers like Jack Welch or Carli Firina, that believe everything they’re told to do from on high since Barry Goldwater became more popular than Jesus Christ at the GE Television Hour.
We do not advocate that here.
What America needs is the next killer bubble to make things right, restore the American dream, fatten up the corporate coffers. The pigs have taken the holiest of holies, private home ownership, and stripped it clean. What is it that we hold most holy they can buy and flip? Honest work? Done outsourced that. Dow up 200 points today, stockmarket bubble and collapse? Done that. The military? Pumped that up to the max. Marriage?
Credit default swaps on bob and lucy staying together; marketize them!
The strategy is real simple. The rethuglicans don ‘t give a diddly damn if nothing happens during the next 18 months.
In fact, the less that happens the better because then Obama is seen as ineffectual.
We really need to expose these conservative bastards for the liars they are. Here’s a good place to start. Remember Government Motors. Republicans were ready to let GM go down the tubes. Well here’s GM’s Third Quarter Earnings.
GM, which earlier said that October sales rose 3.5%, said it will report net income attributable to common stockholders between $1.9 billion and $2.1 billion on revenue of $34 billion. Earnings before interest and tax will total $2.2 billion to $2.4 billion.
That’s a lot of jobs in Ohio, Michigan & Wisconsin. Can we start reminding people of that?
Obama is a kitty kat and the republicans eat kitty kats.
And that was what, again?
Seriously, it’s time to stop chattering about this Dem vs. GOP nonsense. Jon writes as though Obama didn’t achieve exactly what he wanted to these last two years. Let’s stop discussing the Dem vs. GOP performance, which serves nothing more than entertaining the masses and raising the ratings of Faux News. They’re not really at odds at all once they sit down to figure out how to pass corporate-friendly legislation.
Smarter, bolder, and tougher. Hmmm… no wonder the folks out there think they’re electing leaders. The R’s at least know how to act the part.
If that were true, Obama would just be an incompetent fool. Let me assure you he’s not an incompetent fool. Nor is he a Republican exactly. He does try real hard to be part of the same club that Dubya belongs to, though. He’s not on the side of the American people. It’s time for him to go.
Last night! Michael Moore took an indirect shot at the White House
some think the GOP is going to implode in 2012
so you will have a GOP candidate running for president
and a tea party president running for president
on the other side, if OBAMA goes right
some think that there is a strong chance you will have candidate from the left run against OBAMA
in a 4 way race for president, you would only need 30% of the vote to win
some say this is how Lincoln won, Karma is a funny thing.
David Plouffe probably knows this, and probably doesn’t think the Catfood Commission may be such a great idea
because if you only need 30% of the vote to win, a LEFT LEANING candidate would win easily with a horrible economy.
Michael Moore knows more than he is saying, read between the lines, the TEA PARTY needs to be used to help real progressives
Why is Obummer NOT ~~~Edited by Moderator. We don’t go there, even as snark~~~ this evil GOP bastard all over the village?
I agree that supporting a primary challenger to Obama is a waste of time.
If not a write-in campaign for those who reject Obama for the charlatan he is, then definitely a third-/fourth-party candidate.
I simply will not vote for Obama in 2012 under any circumstances short of him having an epiphany and becoming the president he promised to be (not likely).
Things are playing out. Jane also suggested in an earlier thread today that they are in motion. Let’s see how they shake out. A Tea Party split from the GOP would be one of those moving parts that we can’t influence and can only benefit from if it materializes.
For me, it’s important that 2008 Obama voters who got screwed have another option on the ballot in 2012. It would have to be someone that most of us can rally behind.
I was wrong about Obama. I thought he was just an arrogant corporate double agent set on stopping progressive political momentum. But after the events of the last two days it appears he isn’t a stealth corporatist. He really is just that dumb!
It’s definitely a cold strategy.
When you understand what Obama pulled with the Kagan AG-to-SC business you will understand that everything is indeed proceeding exactly as he has foreseen it… Dem election massacre and all.
Then you will understand that these corporatist fucks no longer care if they are reelected in any given term or not… because they know where the real power lies.
And it does not lie with them
And it certainly does not lie with the voters.
a simple one-shot two-by-two game about a bill:
——————————————————Obama
—————————————sign the bill——-veto the bill
—————obstruct Obama,
—————filibuster
—————every bill————-Rep bill————no bill passes
—————except ones——–becomes law
—————Reps prefer
McConnell
—————compromise,——–Obama bill——–no bill passes
—————pass a bill———–becomes law
—————Obama prefers
Jon is arguing that for McConnell obstruct Obama is always a better strategy than compromise. And in a one-shot game, that is true as long as McConnell prefers a Rep bill to no bill (and why wouldn’t he?).
Knowing this, then Obama makes his decision based on whether or not he prefers a Rep bill to no bill. In the case of repeal of healthcare, Obama has said he prefers no bill over a bill repealing healthcare. On free-trade and other issues, this may not be the case.
The real question, though, is how do you get McConnell to change his strategy.
Clinton was able to do in the budget show down in 1995-6 because he kept playing the “veto” strategy over and over again. By shutting down the government and winning the spin war so that people blamed Gingrich, rather than Clinton for the lack of gov’t services he made the cost of Gingrich choosing the obstruct strategy so high that Gingrich eventually played the compromise strategy. In other words Clinton was able to make the cost to McConnell of “no bill” higher than the cost of “Rep bill”.
This is not 11-dimensional chess.
It require that the president commit to his strategy and not waver. Rather than bobbing and weaving the president has to be seen as 1-dimensional. The President must say, credibly, “if you give me a bad bill I will veto it and the people will suffer because Congress is failing the people.” Repeat again and again.
This exact game is going to come up on the budget and any number of “must pass” pieces of legislation. Obama can win these by playing the 1-dimensional strategy — my way or the highway and winning the spin war — or he can cave. Every time Obama caves McConnell will be more and more certain that he will never face the 1-dimensional threat which could beat him.
Yes, it’s a cold strategy, but it’s clearly the strategy that the Republicans will be following. We know that for the two reasons Jon outlined:
- They said they’re going to do it
- They have been successful doing it
It’s pretty clear they see no reason to change now.
Any Democratic politician at the national level who doesn’t recognize that fact is either a fool or a liar, and maybe both.
I am not saying he is incompetent I believe he knows exactly what he is doing. I said he was a kitty kat which is a polite way of saying he is a pussy.
Until Obama understands and has confidence in the American political system, he’s on a route to defeat.
The American political system is set up as an adversarial system. It anticipates that whoever is in power will take the ball and run with it HARD! and won’t give up until he’s faced with an insurmountable obstacle. At that point, it anticipates that the man in power will do one of two things. Cut a deal for the best he can get at that point, or yell bloody murder that the opposition is standing in the way, and preserve the issue for campaign fodder.
It’s self correcting. It’s a system with compromise built in.
Obama doesn’t see this. He’s stuck on the idea of “consensus”. He looks for a program that both Republicans and Democrats can get behind. This is a loser on so many levels.
He needs to get his head on straight, go for it without fear of going to far, and run with the ball as far and as fast as he can go. If he lets the American people know what he’s doing, he has nothing to fear. There’s an important distinction between compromise and consensus, and Obama hasn’t learned it yet.
Totally Right. Health Care Individual Mandates for AHIP & Pharma was the one and only thing on which Republicans won the election hands down.
These liberty stifling Mandates for Private Corporations is not only unAmerican but also against universal Human values of having liberty to make a free choice. Show me any normal person who thinks shelling out money when they cannot afford premiums for some for-profit corporation is a great idea. Forget normal person Democratic policy makers should ask themselves whether they would like to do it when they cannot afford the premiums and need to feed their families to have the day go through.
Republicans will make more gains in Senate & Presidency as they repeal these Mandates as they will counted as Saviors from AHIP & Pharma and they are on right side of this issue totally.
It is easy to make a mistake.
If one runs to the FAR RIGHT the person on the Opposite Side might see the runner as running to the left of him. Just a matter of perception and I guess that is the case here.
Passing Individual Mandates for for-profit AHIP & Pharma only FAR RIGHT can do. Even Republicans were not Right enough for this that they did not attempt it during GWB time when they had ample opportunities for this.
Full disclosure – this comment from a different part of the political spectrum than most who are here.
I’m curious – you say there’s a possibility the TP would split from the GOP – what would you see as the cause of the split?
Many comments here bemoan the fact that ordinary workers are getting the shaft, and I have to agree to that. Who do you think many of these TP people are? They’re the exact same people who you claim sympathy for. The unemployed, underemployed, or people who have a job but are in constant fear of losing it. The big difference is that they don’t see an ever expanding government and National debt as the solution to the problem.
If you would get away from the DEM/GOP stuff, and stop with the TPs are all knuckle dragging, racist, corporate stooge dimwits narrative, you’d find that many in the TP are not wedded to the GOP at all, and are in fact disgusted with them. The GOP is just the only ready vehicle to express their displeasure with the ongoing situation.
My point, I guess, is that there’s a lot of common ground when you talk about the questions facing our society – it’s the answers that split people. Maybe that’s because nobody has any good answers.
My next door neighbor is a case in point – he’s been a machinist for the same company for over 25 years, and they’ve announced that they’re moving operations overseas next year. So he’s feverishly working overtime to build up their inventory so they’ll still have product to sell during the transition. Working overtime to dig his own grave, so to speak.
I’m an old guy, and can remember a time when someone who was willing to work hard could get a good paying job, and live a good lifestyle, without having particularly stunning educational credentials. There’s a lot of people in the US that fit that category today, but their jobs are going – what are they going to do for a living in our brave new world? I don’t know, and I don’t think anyone here does either. But we’d better figure it out, or else.
Hint: America currently houses 750 people in prison for every 100k (which makes us #1 in the world; China comes in distant 2nd). Expect that number to go up significantly.
How true.
What are you talking about?
Republicans got HUGE victories under Obama. For example, the Repugnant’s corporatist medicare prescription drug pork act is a mere drop in the bucket compared to what Bam delivered via ObamaPorkCare.
The Republicans just couldn’t claim those victories for the Republican brand–and THAT’S why they need to defeat him in 2012.
“McConnell is a Republican and believes in the party’s platform. By nature, he opposes what Democrats stand for.”
It will be more intellectually honest for FDL to NOT back off its criticism of the corporatist D-Party under Bam.
Don’t backpedal now and start trying to pretend that Obama did much of anything along the lines of what Democrats have traditionally “stood for” when it’s clear to everyone outside the small but LOUD “Obama is a socialist” crowd that he’s been enacting the traditionally Republican agenda himself.
“The American political system is set up as an adversarial system.”
Agree 100% that it is an adversarial system. Madison SAID it was an adversarial system.
Obama need to go back to grad school and read the Federalist Papers–some constitutional scholar he turned out to be. (I guess critical race theory just isn’t enough after all–not that he didn’t make good use of it in the 2008 primary).
Right–which really makes you wonder. If Obama could adversarially contest the insider Clintons for being racists–to the point of RIPPING APART the D-Party–why can’t he put in a little teensy showing against the Repugnant Party and the worst corporatist abuses?
If he could be malicious and destructive in the D-Party primary, up to an including attacking the insider Clintons, why couldn’t he have seen fit to expel their Goldman Sachs economic advisory board?
It’s definitely time to rise above the bi-partisan schema and get to the real problem. I, for one, no longer even read media that promote the partisan fiction.
I think he’s playing “Go Fish.”
The Republicans — Tea Partiers in particular — may do a lot of howling about the mandates, but I think at some point their corporate masters [i.e., the drug manufacturers and insurance companies] are going to buy them a clue and say “no problem with THAT part of Obamacare.”
I think the Repubs/Teatards love their money more than they love being on the “right” side of an issue.
You hit all the major points.
On top of all of it, BHO doesn’t understand that the more he triangulates to the right, the more the right hates him. He seems to think that he is gaining votes when he does things like your items 1-17.
I might add, he actually negotiated with BILLY TAUZIN! of all people to reach an agreement on reform of ‘big pills’.
I’m still shaking my head over that one. And how about loaded guns in the N-parks? ( I’m not making this up.)
Kass,
The biggest lie the Republicans told about B. Clinton; ‘He’s a liberal’.
This lie seems to work every time.
Interesting.
It’s been said by somebody:
‘if you move far enough to the left you meet the same nut cases coming at you from the right’.
I guess if 12 o’clock is ‘Nuttbagapolis’ and 6 o’clock is ‘Icantdecideville’ you don’t want to move past 3 o’clock or 9 o’clock.