Democrats in Congress were prepared to absorb defeats last night. But there were some surprise losers who shared the honors with them:
1. Sarah Palin
An enormous GOP wave swept across the country, and it should have delivered the Senate to the Republicans. Sarah Palin interjected herself into primary races in Delaware and Nevada, however, and used her considerable popularity with the GOP base to knock off more viable candidates (Sue Lowden, Mike Castle) who might have fared better with the general electorate. Her chosen ones, Christine O’Donnell and Sharron Angle, were just too crazy for prime time. Had the GOP won both of those races, the chance of getting Lieberman to flip were not remote — there is no way he wins in 2012 without either becoming a Republican, or getting them to stand down in Connecticut once again. The upshot: Palin’s Senate meddling probably doomed any chance she had at the nomination in 2012.
2. Democratic redistricting hopes
Democrats lost 16 state legislative chambers and numerous gubernatorial seats. Will probably mean a loss of even more seats for the Democrats when new congressional districts are drawn with 2010 census data.
3. Barack Obama and OFA
They firmly believed that they had permanently “redrawn the electoral map,” and their “risky strategy” was to spend $30 million turning out 2008 surge voters rather than traditional midterm voters. There was considerable dissent from the DCCC, the DSCC, the DGA and the unions who were also working on Democratic turnout operations. They believed that Obama’s chances of defying history and getting unlikely voters to the polls was small, though the effort was “likely to pay dividends for the president’s reelection campaign in 2012.” They were right. The entire thing was a complete flop — for Democrats in 2010, that is.
4. DNC Nevada Turnout Operation
Yes, Harry Reid got lucky that Sarah Palin meddled in his race and gave him the opportunity to run against a crazy extremist. But he also had the good sense take control of the Nevada GOTV operation out of OFA’s hands. Things got contentious when the Reid campaign refused to become fodder for Obama’s 2012 run, and demanded that the turnout operation be devoted to likely midterm voters, rather than longshot 2008 surge voters. Reid won, the DNC lost, and Harry Reid kept his seat.
5. Partisan Politics
The election results show that the bonds that tie voters to parties are getting ever weaker, and that the electorate understands the notion of empowering an opposition party to stop an agenda they do not believe is making things better. The idea that the GOP has redeemed themselves in the eyes of the public over the past two years since the rout of 2008 is ludicrous — polling shows that voters have overwhelmingly negative opinions of both parties. Independent voters continue to be the fastest growing constituency in the electorate, and they swung from Democrats in 2008 to Republicans in 2010. Just as the 2008 vote was a referendum by independents against George Bush, so this one was a referendum against Obama.
6. Republicans Who Think They’re Doing Something Right
The polls don’t indicate that there was a mandate for any specific Republican program, other than vague promises to reduce government spending. But those plans lose support quickly when they get concrete, and Republican start talking about cutting Social Security and Medicare. Republicans who think their agenda has just been given a massive public endorsement are delusional — their primary virtue is that they were an opposition party to an unpopular President whose programs aren’t making people’s lives better at a time of economic insecurity. Equally delusional are those who think Obama bears no responsibility for the defeat, or that his programs have successfully addressed two of the biggest issues affecting the economy: unemployment and the foreclosure crisis. They should be checked immediately for kool-aid stains down to the butt cheeks.
7. Democrats Running in 2012 Who Voted For the Health Care Bill
The health care vote bill was an albatross around the neck of the entire party this cycle, and those members in Swing Districts who voted for it fared worse than those who didn’t. But the impact was felt by everyone running as a Democrat up and down the ticket, and the damage is not done. Democrats wasted over a year being consumed with the passage of a bill that was perceived to be expensive and corrupt, at time when the country desperately needed a jobs program and a plan to address the foreclosure crisis. With 36 senate seats up in 2012, it will continue to be an ongoing symbol of an agenda that was out-of-step with the needs of the country and corporate control of our political system.
8. Michael Steele
May be proof of the existence of God. If he was even modestly competent, he would’ve knocked the crazies out of the primaries and the GOP would’ve taken 80 House seats. Democrats should be thanking their lucky stars for his presence at the head of the RNC, which will no doubt be truncated quite soon.
9. Republicans Who Were Robbed By Karl Rove
Rove decided to capitalize on Republican donor dissatisfaction with Steele and the Tea Party and line his own pockets doing TV advertising at the expense of the party. His White Whale was Michael Bennet: $6 million of the $21 million spent by American Crossroads was devoted to the Colorado race, and Bennet won. Another $3 million spent on the Missouri race was like carrying coals to Newcastle, because Roy Blunt defeated Robin Carnahan in a rout. And if Rove spent $21 million, where do you imagine the rest of that $56 million went? God forbid that money had been available to a competent head of the RNC who applied it where it could do the most good.
10. Change
After a rout like this, the only sane response is to fire everyone in the White House (starting with Robert Gibbs) and admit that your messaging failed. What worked for the Democrats this time? Protecting Social Security, anti-NAFTA/free trade and jobs creation. What does Obama plan to do? As of this morning, double down on his plan to spend the next two years reducing the deficit, which means cuts to Social Security, and potentially exacerbating unemployment. And yesterday, the President “assured his South Korean counterpart that his administration was working hard to complete a free trade pact between the two countries.” Good luck to anyone running as a Democrat in 2012.




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Reporting, in an embarrassed manner, from Indiana, I was only surprised by one thing.
How the heck did prop 19 lose?
This is what I want for Christmas.
Decriminalize not legalize.
Rove as Captain Ahab. I love it. When Republicans go down in the next few cycles, there have to be far better candidates running as Democrats than the incumbents who were just booted.
People are going to spend days and millions of words analyzing what happened yesterday but I can sum it up very simply: In 2008, people voted for change. They got more of the same. End of analysis.
Barack Obama and OFA: LOSERS
So much for these smartest guys in the room…
Surely you can’t be surprised by that? Even after proposition H8 won?
Jane, I couldn’t agree with you more, in that much of what your saying has been discussed at this house.
Your # 1 and #4 points are linked together in what, I believe it was DD or maybe someone else, saying that the TP’rs actually helped the progressives a little.
I’m not going to watch the Prez in a few. I can’t beart it. Must. Walk. Dog.
Thanks Jane.
Yes. the country ached to be rid of Bush and inspired by something greater to believe it….Can we be inspired again?
I’m not a fan of Sarah Palin but to claim that last night was anything less than a good night for her is silly. It would’ve been better for the right had she been relegated to irrelevance, but your opinion of her performance last night is a very small minority opinion.
In the Senate, Palin went 6 or 7 out of 11 depending upon what happens in Alaska. In the House, her endorsement went 16 for 28 with 4 yet to be called. She went 6 for 8 in Gubernatorial elections last night. Claiming that Palin was the biggest loser of the night because of Angle and O’Donnell seems like sour grapes.
And thanks to all the hard work of Barack Obama, the people will be getting even more of the same until 2012.
Those who smoke pot, already have easy access. And, they don’t care about the additional revenue to the State. (“Dude, I hate school anyway.”)
That’s just Demi’s analysis. Not a professional’s.
The wisest thing we can do from now on is simply ignore the Democratic Party. We should behave as if the Party doesn’t exist, just go around it and proceed with what we need to do. We certainly don’t need a bunch of hacks to lead us. We could start today planning for ’12.
Fixed it for you. :-
Awesome Analysis Jane!
How dumb will the Dems up for election in 2012 be, will they follow their peers, who followed Obama to the slaughter house?
One can’t imagine a USA president with 10% to 17% un-employment is going to tell the USA population I am working on my NAFTA program with SOUTH KOREA.
Can the American people be inspired again? Yes.
Fooled again? I hope not.
Nice summarization, as usual, Jane. Good points, one and all.
Don’t count on the Tea Partiers to get upset or to protest the gutting of Soc Sec and/or Medicare. I *may* be wrong, but Beck’s tent-show revivalist preacher act is part of an ongoing Doug Coe C Street “Family” church push to make the religious right happily drink the Kool Aid that ALL citizens must turn to God to “take care of them,” not the govt. That’s the very loudly repeated story I’m hearing almost constantly my family members who are in a Doug Coe cult church.
FYI…
Well yeah, you have a point.
But what in the world does it take to get people off their backsides and go vote?
Yesterday, I voted in downtown Indianapolis, eight hours after the polls opened. I was the 210th voter.
The apathy, unfortunately, remains astounding to me.
By the time the Republicans have had their way with Obama he just might want to move to Kenya.
Demi !!!
Besides, if you’re white, you don’t have much to worry about. If you’re black or Latino, not so much.
That’s probably part of it. The other part, I think, is that the younger generation are very apathetic about voting in general. My personal observation witnessing my landlady’s young adult kids. They could care less. My landlady’s daughter would’ve voted for Whitman because that’s who her boyfriend said was “good.” I shudder to even key that sentiment in (she’s 23)… sad. But I wasn’t that sorry when she was too lazy to vote.
Probably better than the BS the professionals call “analysis.”
Hey! My kid said something like that last night when we saw the inital numbers. He’s only 15! He said, Mom, did you really think a state that would vote to ban gay marriage would vote to make pot legal?
My Kid.
Cogent and to the point. But you are telling the truth, and the corporate-owned rightwing media will have no truck with the truth. I plan to avoid tv like the plague over the next few days.
Re healthcare reform:
It wasn’t that it was not important and not needed and wanted – it was a major focal point in the 2008 election. The process was too long and delivered too little. Just as one example,one piece of major good, the high risk pools for the uninsured with pre-existing conditions turned out to be an expensive mirage that could not be utilized except for a very few.
The fact that it was/is demonstrably bad legislation is born out by the fact that almost no one embraced it in their election or re-election. That whole situation could have been prevented had they simply passed a good bill. No one saw their costs go down, most saw increases, which is the tangible reality that most Americans felt in their pocket books. Success has many parents, but failure is an orphan.
Excellent
omg Obama is mentioning Richmond, Virginia — you’d think he’d be embarrassed to mention the name of that state.
I am who I am. Didn’t choose it, I try to understand the Other. Best I can do.
I couldn’t stand the tv last night. I got the numbers I needed from the internet.
Had a viable third party been around both parties IMO would have suffered a huge hit. The public is being whipsawed between the two Corporatist parties and it’s NOT happy about it any longer and hasn’t been for quite a while. The MAIN issue and problem is always the same $$$ and it’s control total control of the process and the system leaving little space for everyone and everything else. The SCOTUS boosted this problem into the Stratosphere last spring and push is coming to shove over this issue sooner or later. For now the country will once again be pushed hard right but it’s going to be interesting to watch as the Right tries to destroy Obama like they did Clinton. Will he fight back as Billy did or lay down and let them screw him over? No telling with this guy? So far though, I’d put my bets on lay down and be a Carter. We should primary this fool and get Dr. Dean up and running ASAP. He’s our only hope at this pt.
I agree
Did any Dems win in Virginia
Not what I meant….
Well the rightwingers profess to LOVE NAFTA. I have no idea why, as it makes no sense for the “small” people to be in favor of it. Yet Rush & Glenn tell their slavering minions that we hafta have NAFTA.
And so, Obama, ever the Beckerhead that he is, goes right out for it. Why should we, at this point, expect anything else from King NeoCon Obama??? BHO’s probably hoping it’ll make Daryll Issa forget to impeach him for being a KenyanIndesianBritishCitizenBecauseofHisDad.
I think Dayen nailed it with
that “enough” is important, if folks at least sensed help was at least on the way, we’d all still be drinking champagne and wearing party hats
and do not get me started on the abysmal, hamfisted, 11th f****g hour messaging
My thought exactly.
You may avoid it but 10′s of millions of Americans will get their daily soma and indoctrination. How do you think the right wing is able to do what they do?
Me too. I had MSNBC on briefly, but it was so crapulously stupid that I turned it off. Cannot. stand. Tweety. or. LoDo. The others are not much better. Uninsipered corporate tools, imo.
Certainly. You speak the absolute truth. And therein lies the problem. If everyone turned off their stupid tvs and radios for a few days, they might be able to think more clearly. But I have no hope of that happening, so all I can do is take care of myself and encourage others to do the same.
NATGEOTV is a great place to watch TV in the next few days to get away from all this political noise!
One break coming up!!!
what are the UNIONS going to say?
If any Dems follows Obama toward the South Korea NAFTA project, they need to be working on their Resumes, because they will be un-employed quick
You guys are more brave than I. I turned the sound all the way down. I’m already sipping ginger ale. Gotta sour stomach.
Simply pointing out the racism in the disproportional enforcement of drug offenses, which is surely mirrored in most other locales as well.
I found some L&O SVUs that I hadn’t seen before to watch until I fell asleep.
Gotcha. 10-4. I’ve heard of that, btw.
He’s not the one we’ve been waiting for.
Simply amazing his take on things, let me kiss more republican ass and it will get better.
I’m aware Rev. I’m just not very optimistic at the moment.
There goes “The Full Employment Act for Comedians.” Then again, I’m sure there will be plenty of other material.
There have been few times, if there ever were any, when I’ve been more ashamed to be an American citizen as I am today and this is why.
OY, hopey changey is sayin’ earmarks are the problem. He provided change in substance but not change in process.
Talk about delusional.
Wondergirl and I have been busy, ‘conciousness raising’ with those klowns all morning
If people at least saw that Obamaco TRIED to get thru good legislation, Dems would’ve turned out in droves.
It was blindingly obvious that Obamaco was in the thrall of the NeoCon agenda. Only those not paying any real attention thought otherwise. All of Obama’s “bipartisan” Kabuki show really rang on deaf ears very quickly.
Dems didn’t vote in Obama to kowtow to & kiss the butts of NeoCons & Wall ST. Dems voted in Obama to kick some NeoCon butt & to fix obvious problems, such as a lack of jobs, for instance.
Obamaco did NOTHING that “his” voters wanted. And Obamaco didn’t even *TRY.* That’s the point: they didn’t even *try.* It’s b.s.
Why I’m not listening. Those of you who know me, know that I cook when I’m feeling bad. I’m going to go to the kitchen and make some rice krispy treats. With Chocolate bits. Okay? BBL.
Ooooh!
Love it!
May I use that one? Liberally?
FOX guy — last name Emanuel — asking Prez about repealing HCR.
“We’d be misreading the election if we thought the American people want us to relitigate the arguments we’ve been having over the last two years.”
Forward, not backward.
Yep, yep and yep. If he had tried and was defeated, the Repugs woudn’t have stood a chance in Hell. As it is…..
Well, I’ve been raving all morning that is Obama’s “job.” From the wealthy oligarch perspective, Obamaco has been a resounding success. No snark. So whyever would Obamaco “change course” today? An electoral shambles??? As Dick Cheney would say: SO????
Obama, today, is STILL working for the same boss he was working for yesterday, which is: Wall ST, the Banksters, the Hedgefunders, the MIC, the Oligarchs. What difference does yesterday’s paltry pathetic side show of an election make to the MOTU??? Obama has his marching orders, and it’s not from you or me… he will continue doing exactly what he’s always done… the NeoCon way.
O is really WOWing ‘em at his news conference. Now talkin’ bout the burdensome 1099 provision of HCR.
Yes, and so WHO, exactly, is Obama “representing”??? And why would Obama “switch sides” now???? More of the same coming up…
How many democrats used OBAMACARE to re-elected yesterday? few to none
OBAMA thinks the 1099 provision is the only problem with his health care bill? WHAT????
what about the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, that everyone hates?
why don’t one of these smart reporters ask Obama what he thinks about 47% of democrat wanting him primaried
Now O wonders whether “it’s worthwhile helping senior citizens get their drugs.”
He is clearly learning disabled, or a sentence like that would never escape his lips.
oh, yay, he’s pushing catfood now.
“my republican friends” is not a phrase I would have chosen when the base is in mourning
Just you wait. Catfood coming along shortly. And to be redundant, do not expect the Tea Partiers to protest the guttng of Soc Sec and Medicare. They are being carefully brainwashed to go along with it. That’s my prediction.
from the guy who helped shape the OFA model –
surprisingly good from an ‘establishment Dem’
link
Probably the most truthful thing this empty suit has ever said.
Talks about China’s supercomputer and Singapore’s airports: “That used to be us!”
obama never said he would not cut Social Security
Education & Research Development project are safe
those on social security better go find a bridge quick
I have to say, the charges about him being a teleprompter president were TRUE.
This guy is hopelessly inarticulate off the cuff, he can’t even avoid rhetorical traps or say the thing he means to say.
Just horrible
I like Wondergirl!
Good to have around. For discusions and such. Too.
The message of last nights election was to tell Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the left wing nut cases to stick their agenda up there ass!!
You (Edited by Moderator: No namecalling, especially of the whole group!) lost and this is just the beginning… just wait until 2012.
and thanks in no small part to Obama, China & Singapore will surpass us, and the USA will rush to the bottom.
“I’m not gonna anticipate the GOP isn’t gonna support anything….”
Why don’t you listen to what they’ve said the past two years, and campaigned on to win this historic victory, then? NO need to anticipate or speculate.
Listening to this news conference you would get the idea there are no wars or a trillion dollar defense budget.
Sure, ok. Enjoy not having Soc Sec and Medicare. Hope you’re savings accounts are doing ok.
Yep, agree completely.
Yes, Reid will be licking his wounds as the Majority Leader for the next two years (at least) and as Senator from Nevada for the next six. Horrors! What a rejection from his home state!
That’s the point.
Yeah, funny how they conveniently neglect to mention the warz and all the money it costs… as in your tax dollars & mine going directly into the pockets of Oligarch zillionaires like Dick Cheney & the Koch brothers, who astroturfed and manipulated the Tea Party.
has he addressed the horrors of “typical tax and spend Democrats” yet ?
Got that right. See my 50, 58, 61 as specific examples.
I understand he is holding forth on the fierce urgency of 1099
Time for another nuclear plant accident to shut this guy down on new nuke plants.
Add up the percentages in numerous races combined for Republican and Democratic parties. If they only reach 97%, those other candidates outside this rigged system fared fairly well.
I’m in Michigan. I knew Rick Snyder was going to win — in the gubernatorial (and as a party-pickup) — with a margin between 15 and 20 points. An estimated 5 million votes were cast in the state’s 2008 presidential; in 2010, there 3 million. A 40-percent decline isn’t bad (it was similar in 2006). But I knew Snyder would win by at least half a million votes. In previous gubernatorials, Mich. divided the party winners for the joint-ticket victors in Gov./Lt. Gov. to that of the individuals in Atty. Gen. and Sec. of State. This time, Mich. went went red in all four (a party hold for the latter two offices).
I believe the “Professional Left” have had it correct for some time. The D.C. leaders and their rulers are out for the almighty dollars, and that is why the D.C. Democratics — in the White House, Senate, and House — don’t come through with social and political policy that is progressive. This party hasn’t done it since the 1960s. And, again, it’s because of their financial backers. The Republicans are 100% corporatist. The Democrats are on their way.
More transparency and openness!
Yes much better to run up charges on our nation’s “credit cards” and then default on the loans…. which is the Republican plan, so I guess that means it’s Obama’s plan, too. Let’s see how great that works out.
Oooh, he tapped Tapper!
I had to turn it off as soon as he started taking questions and started with his bipartisany shit. Son of a bitch is clueless.
welcome to the game?
the intelligent left can’t wait to use the mighty tea party, to help us destroy the GOP
with Rand Paul working on ways to send the WORLD into a depression, this is going to be fun
you will get to witness the end of the GOP !
Obama didn’t do the job of wiping out the GOP, because most of the people on this blog, consider Obama to be just like Bush
again welcome to the game
Excelon is (was?) one of his biggest contributors.
I believe that Feingold flipping on the Health Insurance Company and Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act cost him re-election. I sincerely hope that he’ll challenge Obama from the left.
Most of them are totally there. That’s why the BlueDogs took such a beating. But not to worry: they’ll have their cushy corporate or K Street jobs once the lame duck is over. Blanche Lincoln already measured the drapes for her WalMart office.
Waiting for O to respond about the tax cuts.
I sympathize. I usually can’t watch. But somehow right now I have the stomach for it. Esp since there is so much astounding garbage coming from his lips to make fun of.
“The toughest thing over the last coupla days is seeing really terrific public servants not have a chance to serve anymore”
Now talking about his unsuccessful Foxhole strategy for Democratic House members.
Us dopes lost?
The country lost. Again. Just as they did in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, and 2008.
Maybe, just maybe, yesterday was the beginning of end for these losers though.
Fuck that. Legalization is regulated and decriminalization leaves the production and sale in the hands of the cartels. I repeat, fuck that.
he actually said those exact words … as something to avoid just a few weeks back
“They are trying to make me feel better”
No, they need jobs, dude, and you’ve got some to hand out.
@Jane Hmasher
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/04/ha-ha-fuck-you-harry-reid-kicking-your-ass-is-going-to-be-fun/
“You’re a chump, you see. You’re really fucking stupid.”
– Jane Hamsher to Harry Reid – 12/4/09
Who’s the chump now, Jane?
“My goal is to make sure we don’t have a huge spike in taxes for middle class families.”
dot dot dot
and if in order to insure that, I’ll be happy to give the rich as much dough as they want.
Singularly uninspiring.
If this was supposed to buck up his ‘base’ — FAIL
If this was supposed to comfort his ‘enemies’ — FAIL
If this was supposed to mollify the media — FAIL
Really, what had he hoped to accomplish here? Seems that nothing has been.
You? Does something about that make you feel better?
“anonymous White House officials” already have
two year extension for the wealthy on it’s way – it’s all in the “decoupling” doncha know
link
Well, nothing like broaching an intelligent conversation, is there, freddie? Anger management, anyone? Anyone?
WSJ reporter asking about whether he’ll let the EPA regulate carbon.
And about deals made for HCR.
Heh – well, you know that the “O” stands for “opposite.”
“It’s an ugly mess when it comes to process.”
“I regret we couldn’t have made the process more healthier.”
There’s the 2012 re-elect slogan, folks: A MORE HEALTHIER PROCESS
On your earlier point about how he’s a teleprompter prez, I don’t even find his canned speeches any good any more.
Like his news conf, his demeanor has been flat for some time. We have all observed him tackle an outburst from a crowd of admirers in a very clever & quick way. When he’s winning he’s entirely different from when he’s losing.
KABUKI SHOW!!!!! Woot! And other job well done by the Great Pretender!
It’s not like we didn’t know this was coming. It still pisses me off.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is available: Compare and Contrast: How Democrats and Republicans React to Losses
Are assuming “folks” will notice the problem?
Obama?
Obama squandered his huge majorities OR Obama did exactly what he had planned all along. In the one scenario, he’s inexcusably weak and in the other he’s unforgivably corrupt.
I don’t see a lot of other alternatives.
Yep, he actually said ‘process.’ Another really really great soundbite. /s
Better than “We Suck Less” at least.
Boy is that ever true. Think Obama’s quite the narcissist, which is not unusual for those who rise quickly to the top. But he’s not a good leader AT. ALL. Obama wouldn’t know how to lead his way out of a wet paper bag with a hole in either end.
Obama feels so bad about the poor dems that voted for OBamacare and got defeated last night.
this is funniest thing on TV right now!
what poll the last 20 months said people wanted OBAMACARE more than JOBS?
The next 2 years won’t be nice but we need to somehow make the elected Dems understand that they did this and that going more to the right is the worst thing they can do. I’m not talking about Obama because he is a lost cause IMO. Yesterday should be a powerful message and if we capitalize on it, we just might make some progress. I’m not as depressed as some of you because we talked before about reaching the bottom before we could start back up – this is our chance.
Indeed. Both options SUCK, and neither option sucks less.
One heads up on tax cuts.
IMO there is no, not one, moral defense of extending the tax cuts for the rich. It simply CANNOT be defended.
But they are going to go for it in the lame duck. They may even go for making them permanent (which doesn’t really mean permanent, it’s just their language).
This is an EXCELLENT test case to see if the Democratic Party is listening. When that comes up in December, please, please, please ALL FIREPUPS, EVERYONE, call, email, write, stop by, do whatever you can to communicate with your rep and with ALL D reps, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. Obama will not listen, but those Democrats on the hill may suddenly be more receptive to our message.
It’s a great test case. Especially if the catfood commission fails to make any recomendations.
Speaking for myself, I don’t know how in the f*ck I’m supposed to pay for mandated health “insurance”(PAH!) without a job. But I’m sure it was all very bipartyisany.
How does it help to have a rambling, contradictory, and conciliatory press conference mostly about issues that Americans couldn’t really give a fuck less about? The guy is hopeless.
It isn’t much of a surprise but the biggest loser last night was the electorate.
Anti-government sentiment will only lead to more pain. It will mean less effective regulation, less education funding, less environmental regulation, and more corporate dominance (and we know exactly where that leads).
This story, if not apocryphal, says a lot about the electorate:
A whole lot of people don’t know who or what they are voting for.
The real shame is that they sold out Dean’s “50 State Strategy” for some clever DLC/Rahm-inspired bullshit after the 2008 polls closed.
The DCCC/DNC couldn’t get away from Dean fast enough. And now we see the consequences.
Way to go OFA and everyone else who played their game.
Yep. W had some epic failures, but this news conference is right down there with the best. Waiting to see if O has a protruding rectangle on his back underneath his suit jacket.
He just reused the bush “it’s hard work bs”
Nor do I. I’ve enumerated them countless times, and no one’s suggested another.
I’m still going with “corrupt”, by the way, but there’s plenty of ammunition now for the “weak” side as well.
This really is so sad and boring….as flat as his Oval office BP speech. What is happening to this man?
Barack Obama:
Might
As
Well
Be
Bush
God, he sucks! He already di the “heckofajob” for Summers. He is channeling Bush.
Yeah, he seems to be recycling a lot of Bushims … he told Jon Stewart Larry Summers had done a “heckuva job”. Way to go, BHO.
He’s out of bullets. Nothing left but reactive platitudes. No lead in the pencil.
As it took O 3 months to figure out that the Petreaus Afghan surge meant more troops in Afghanistan when he ran for reelection that when he was elected, any day now he’s going to figure out that the unemployment rate when he runs again will be higher (now 9.6%) than when he ran in 2008 (around 7%).
Oh, oh. The Bubble Boy defense.
This man has lost his way…scary, I’d say.
this idiot from bloomberg, has a very creative memory
the tax payers, bail out big business in 2008 (and they screwed the american tax payer big time)
someone should ask Obama, if you had to do it again would you bail out Wall Street
because everyone wants to act like Wall Street didn’t fail
The actual rate is much, MUCH higher than the official rate.
My Pop would have called this “glazing the turd.”
He’s just so weak. Thank god, someone doesn’t ask him the Dukakis question right now.
see the link at 104 above
although now I’m wondering how many will be less inclined to go along w/ WH – lots of grumbling late last week about WH mid term failures
“This [feeling bad about the job he is doing] is something every president needs to go thru.”
Glad it’s all about you, Mr. Prez.
We’ve been thru that here before. I just used the usual figures for illustrative purposes. No need to beat a dead horse.
The Guess Who’s “Share the Land” should be playing in the background now.
Obama is clearly toast in 2012 unless he mans up and begins to take an actual leadership role in the Party. But, I don’t know if he’s got it in him to do it in just two years and his coattails just got a whole shitload shorter.
He.Is.No.Leader
In other words, he was an empty suit all along.
cnbc analysts pick up on ‘process’ and earmarks, and negotiating with Rs. Wonder if I can bear to watch cnbc long enough for the QE2 announcement in 15 minutes.
Dedicated to BHO
Man Up
Amazing isn’t it?
And what’s even more amazing (to me) is just how far down the rabbit hole I went in 2008. I mean I thought this was going to be the first REAL Democrat in the White House in a generation. Hell, he’s the first REAL Republican with a D after his name in the White House. Clinton was just a wannabe R compared tot his guy.
I don’t know if I can ever forgive myself for that vote, those dollars, and those hours I gave, to help this monster reach the White House.
Use “their” to indicate possession.
You’re not the only one my friend. Many a tear in our house on election eve.
Good luck with that. I gave up on cnbc a long time ago.
I have a feeling that I would agree with 90% of Obama’s vision for the USA. But, and it’s a big but, he doesn’t seem willing or able to fight for that vision. He’s not a big enough SOB or something. I really don’t think he wants to extend the tax cuts since it’s a fiscal disaster. But did you hear him say that??? No, he’s willing to compromise.
Well I always had my doubts, but I,too, was thrilled on election eve & Jan 20 2009…. sad how that all turned to sh*t not much later.
Remember this hard lesson to avoid being fooled again.
Hahahaha….I’d forgotten all about that. What a great country we live in.
no he didn’t – ayfkm ?
wow
Going forward we are fucked no matter what. Obama will likely solidify his status as a closet Republican and enact those self-same policies and therein lies disaster.
Or, he could start channeling FDR and become a born again fire-breathing populist but so what? He does not have FDR’s majorities in Congress so once again the status quo would remain the status quo. More disaster.
Either way we are, as I said, totally fucked. Too bad, really. It would have been so easy to drive a stake through he heart of the R’s in 2008. Just lower the age of Medicare eligibility to 55 would have been enough to mollify Progs and give people something tangible for the election cycle. That could have been done quick and easy and freed Congress up to pass not just a stimulus but a MASSIVE infrastructure projects bill. Republicans would have sqwawked but they always do so big deal.
But of course that’s not we these 2 co-dependent parties do. They perfectly synbolize the dysfunctional family that our dear United States has become. Pity.
You’re willing to give BHO a hugely giant amount more “credit” than I am. You’re entitled to your mostly “positive” spin on Obama. My suggestion would be: Do. NOT. Trust. Obama.
The “O” stands for “opposite.”
It’s really not surprising, from first principles, that the first A-A prez should be a conservative. Any other political stripe in that color skin would have been unelectable.
OFG,
Another dead giveaway is that O was prez of Harvard Law Review, a bastion of PTB & conventionality.
Agree completely. At this stage, it really doesn’t matter what Obamaco does or says. Obamaco could suddenly and seriously become the most progressive admin evah!! in the history of the universe. And so what? There would only be massively giant push-back, obstruction and gridlock in the now, for real, seriously super conservative rightwing “Republican” congress and for the sake of argument “Republican” Senate.
IMO, Obama got exactly what his Oligarchy Masters demanded: a Republican House & Senate. Whatever platitudes or policy positions BHO puts forward now have even less meaning than they did before.
And we all know why BHO & the Dems left things like the Bush tax cuts & DADT for the lame duck…. because absolutely for certain they’ll never get passed. We will have tax cuts for billionaires endlessly along with more and more warz without end, and the LGBT community can fahgeddaboudit.
Actually Sarah Palin did considerably more damage. By bringing Christine ODonnell to life, she gave the national media a “target”. Prior to, it was tougher to personify the Tea Party.
There were apparently more national media stories re: the wacko ODonnell, than any other GOP candidate. The new age of instant info, voters got the quick big-picture.
My opinion is that had Palin passed on ODonnell, both Wash State and CO would be electing GOP senators this week; the margins are that razor thin.
I did ponder this during the primary and the campaign. It stands to reason, and truly, Obama never ever was all that “progressive.” But still…. what he might as well as campaigned on “everyone gets a unicorn” as what he promised. Clearly Obama had no intention of even trying to do ANYTHING that he said he would.
Waaaaaaaaaahhhh…. where’s my unicorn??? /s
It’s possible. I’m on the fence re Palin. For better or worse, Palin certainly galvanize a somewhat sizeable minority of the population who pretty reliably GOTV (go figure…).
But some of the T-Partiers, O’Donnell in particular, were just so “out there,” that even the most reliable dittohead was turned off. Yet those were the turds that Palin chose to polish (go figure….).
My fear is that Palin’s handlers (certainly it’s NOT Palin who “chooses” or “decides” anything) will LEARN from this *failure,* and do better the next time…… erk.
It may seem positive but actually I’m hugely disappointed in him. He doesn’t stand his ground. He’s not a leader. How many times did he say no extension of the tax cuts for top 2%. Now he’ll compromise. NO, don’t compromise. Is this something he can veto?? Then veto it and make them vote on middle class cuts only. And btw, I’m the middle class and I’d be alright with a small raise in taxes if it meant this country would advance. And, that bs about struggling people w/o jobs can’t afford a tax increase….wtf, they wouldn’t be required to pay tax w/o a job. Unless of course, he meant Paris Hilton.
Good news is, he’s got to try to get re-elected somehow. So he’ll probably use an executive order to stop-loss folks under DADT.
Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clintons, Gore, Kerry. Not exactly anyone’s version of the A-team.
Yeah, looking back I do see all the signs.
So sorry I and many others didn’t heed them. In fairness, I think after 8 years of W and The Dick, we were easy prey, as we wanted change so badly we clung to words instead of checking deeds.
A mistake I’m not likely to EVER repeat again.
As I’ve said elsewhere about 19:
Before anybody gets too depressed over this, they should consider one major flaw in Yes side tactics. If you open up your California Official Voter Information Guide and read the Yes/No arguments, you’ll notice the No side made their claims right there in print that 19 would legalize stoned school bus drivers and stoned workers. When the Yes side wrote their rebuttal to those outrageous, false claims, they *failed* to say firmly that the claims were outrageous and false! Instead they tried to blow by it with a glib, general answer. As a result, many voters went to the polls wondering if the claims were true, enough to cost us the election!
Next time we need a much smarter team to handle this. And this old retired guy would be happy to help them draft their Voter’s Guide statements. Until then, relax, this will be back …
Almost word for word what a friend told me yesterday when telling me why he voted no on 19.
Yes, it does. Jane sounded like a foul-mouthed, grade-school punk in that infamous rant against Harry Reid.
But that’s how she often operates against those with whom she disagrees. Her and her cohort, Glenn Greenwald, haven’t realized that publicly and prominently belittling people is no way to win converts to a cause.
Now why don’t you ask Jane if her obscenity-laced tirade against Harry Reid made her feel better?
I puke on the analysis that says California leans dem. I’m glad it did yesterday, for sure, but we’re the state that gave you Reagan and Pete Wilson and have to live with Orange County among others. Whitman’s gang is only to have to find a different excuse than that CA leans dem. Please.
Also, too, am loving the endorsement of Fiorina by Palin. Thanks for the reverse Midas touch there. Phew!!
I also had a friend tell me “19 would eliminate the drug free workplace”.
The messaging just wasn’t there, for some reason. Sounds like a political party I know…
My take as well. Gives me an ulcer.
They should have ridden the “Let Timmy Smoke” wave to victory. win/win messaging there.
Harry Reid is a loser. He will, I’m sure, remain Leader and will continue to be the wimp he’s always has been. He hurt the Dems badly and I wouldn’t have shed a tear if he had lost.
Couldn’t agree more. You should’ve seen the posts on this site from people doing that very thing to try to influence many of us to hold our noses and vote the lesser of two evils, and vote for the D’s. They used personal attacks, insults, and lots of belittling to try and get us to vote D.
And you’re right, it doesn’t convert anyone. Last night proves that.
The No on 19 folks went right to the Prop 8 playbook: save the children. It works every time. It certainly worked in California. Twice.
Pot needs to be de-coupled from kids, next time.
Ugh, I agree with the “prominently belittling people is no way to win converts to a cause.” Not the part about Jane and Glenn Greenwald.
Man, preview is my friend, preview is my friend, preview is my friend.
My favorite was a tshirt that said “Timmy Smokes Phillies”. I love it.
LOL. good one! hadn’t see that one. thanks.
My dh and I have joked for years about how “it’s for the kids!”
Anything at all. “It’s for the kids!”
All the taxes measures having to do with schools passed. It’s for the kids! What happened to all the tax money that was given to them in the past? Our high schools are doing just fine (at least in my area).
It’s the college system I’m worried about. And I think they need to cut at the top, not cut at the bottom, and not get more money. They just need to reprioritize – it’s for the kids!
Where’s Our PROMISED #&*%@ SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH PROGRAM?
I agree, Obamacare was junk legislation that the folks don’t understand.
In 2014, when I am forced by my Big Brother, Nanny State Federal government
to hand over my money to the big insurance corporations, HOW MUCH WILL I HAVE TO PAY ??
And if I can’t afford my subsidized payment, HOW WILL BIG BROTHER PUNISH ME ??
Besides, when I did have for-profit health insurance, I had to fight for procedures and medicine
that my doctor wanted but the insurance company wouldn’t cover.
I don’t want to be part of the for-profit health insurance industry because it’s against my ethical beliefs.
All I really wanted was the right to buy into medicare at cost, with no subsidy.
Easy to explain, easy to understand, and well-known and trusted for many years,
but no, the Harvard lawyer gave us a 2400 page piece of legislation that brought down the Democratic
Party in 2010.
We primary-ed Johnson in 68, I hope we primary Obama in 2012.
Most Tea Partiers are on Soc Sec and/or Medicare and they are going to be mad as hell when the cuts they are demanding lowers their payments.
But, they will be told their payments went down because the “undeserving” are still getting too much and demand even bigger cuts.
Jane,
You forgot the biggest loser of them all, which, by the way, is no surprise, and that is The American People…………….They should be at the top of the list. With this President’s horrendous political program and the bankrupt liberal class still backing him, this country does not have a wing or a prayer of rebuilding itself………….
Sarah Palin wasn’t a loser last night. Most of her candidates won.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/03/earlyshow/main7017707.shtml
Wish it were not so, but I think the only ones buying the Palin lost theory will be the Romney folks.
If Jane reads….
I’m a “righty” and have never posted on one of these sites before.
Felt compelled though because while opposite in every political notion from those trumpeted on FDL, I really like checking in now and then.
I like/feel enriched by opposing views and FDL has a lot of sharp commentary.
Jane is my favorite left-leaning commentator. She’s smart, damn hot, and a True believer, meaning she’s got principles and spine (of steel I found from the Health Care debate).
The reason Righty’s swarmed the polls (shitty economy helps but just consider..) is they – inspired by the Palin message and knowing that Angle and O’Donnell may not win vs a “safe” RINO type – but at least you KNOW you’re actually voting for a TB – NOT a “Blue Dog” sort like Mike Castle etc.
It made voting actually worth doing because if they won you would be getting someone you did not have to sweat come important votes. OR more importantly, making the RINO’s vote our way because if they don’t they’ll be thrown out in a primary.
I’m sure Bennett and Murkowski will be very much in the back of Olympia Snowe’s mind come the next big vote.
Palin’s no braintrust and I don’t think Presidential timber by a mile but I respect that she is Totally self made. From schoolboard to Gov etc. with a family to boot. Were her politics opposite she would be a Left-Wing Diva (still with snide whispers about her IQ probably). She’s the energizer bunny for Republican turnout and in my book, that’s plenty.
My point is that had democratic voters used their leverage of staying home or voting out DINO/Blue Dogs several cycles ago you would not be blaming them or Obama for no DADT repeal or no Public Option. You would have it already. The lesser of 2 evils may not be evil but it’s definitely frustration.
Sorry for the long post. I really do respect all your views and just wanted to share that if Senate control was your metric – Palin lost.
I think her efforts will pay greater dividends in future races by Rep or Sen. knowing they’ll get her endorsement (if they want it) or escape a primary challenge by making a tough vote.
For all of you poo-pooing Obamacare, I can tell you it has made a world of difference to me. You try being uninsurable for six years! Now I can get insurance when it was unavailable to me before. The cost? I was scared about that myself, but it is $424/month. Now that really isn’t so bad and probably reasonable. Now, we’re here. Want to improve it? Go for it. Quit acting like the world is over because of it.
During last night’s coverage Jonathan Alter claimed that Obama had achieved nearly all of his agenda for the first two years. WTF? The nation is a state of near-collapse, and that was his agenda?
And I’m also hearing “Hand Me Down World”. Like the song says… “Got one already!”
Anybody here see the noise, see the fear and commotion
Puhleeeeze don’t listen to those Obama sycophants…..If you really listen to ‘em Obama is doing a wonderful job….most Americans are unemployed,millions of families defrauded by banks in Foreclosure,etc,etc.
And they would tell you we were losing 700,000 jobs/months…what they aren’t telling ya is that you can only lose 700,000 jobs for so long,and in a depression there are people who would still be working…..all economic activity does not come to an end.
Obama has been a disaster….It’s really not too early for progressives to start looking for a PROGRESSIVE challenger to this Corporate Democratic Prez folks.
Fear. And Eric Holder too.
$424/month premium, Nobody can afford that kind of premiums on a mainstream salary and it is way high then what people in other countries pay. In addition if Health care costs are going to go high with no cost-controls, no basic anti-trust oversight and mechanisms in place to just pay a nominal fee but ignore the patients treatment we all know neither it is the patient who is going to treated but all the mandated money goes into a funnel nobody knows where with a giant sucking sound as a blogger reported so vividly and correctly in my opinion.
In my opinion the HCR bill removed the only cost-control in place right now which is people getting dropped out due to un-affordability and things are going to get worse with this trend and these new mandates added now.
$424 for what, exactly?
Obama was only put in place to somewhat tamp down the agitation of the American public after the Cheney-Bush debacle………..Obama had the same policies, the same plans, and in some cases,(never ending state of war and crackdown on civil liberties) took the Bush ideas and made them ten times worse…………..
I agree with your assessment and most of the bloggers too here if you followed their posts.
Single Payer or Breaking up AHIP besides Pharma companies into 10+ in each market place, each product-line and ensuring the competition not price collusion is occurring besides anti-trust oversight with no individual mandates are the two practical solutions to the current health care mess.
In addition to your monthly premium, you will pay other costs. You will pay a $2,500 deductible for covered benefits (except for preventive services: Routine health care that includes screenings, check-ups, and patient counseling to prevent illnesses, disease, or other health problems)
before the plan starts to pay. After you pay the deductible, you will pay a $25 copayment (A flat dollar amount you must pay for a covered service. For example, you may have to pay a copayment5 copayment for each covered visit to a primary care doctor.)for doctor visits, $4 to $30 for most prescription drugs, and 20% of the costs of any other covered benefits you get. Your out-of-pocket costs cannot be more than $5,950 per year. These costs may be higher, if you go outside the plan’s network.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/provisions/preexisting/states/ms.html
I see what you’re referring to. In California the terms of that plan are somewhat different. Higher premium with a lower deductable and out-of-pocket. Closer to $600 a month/$2,500 per year.
True, except they’d be condescending rather than snide. Pundits would describe an “earnest intellect” or some shit. We do need a left wing version, some populist left figure like the blue collar union reds of yore.
Sorry if I’m bursting your bubble, but I voted D and Green.
The thing I don’t particularly care for (and you don’t either) is this constant, over-the-top belittling directed at those with differing opinions. Both here and over at Greenwald’s place. And Jane and Glenn clearly set the tone for their followers to participate in juvenile insult fests.
For example, Surprise Loser #6:
They should be checked immediately for kool-aid stains down to the butt cheeks.
That’s what passes for intellectual analysis around here.
Stay classy, Jane.
“You’re a chump, you see. You’re really fucking stupid.”
– Jane Hamsher to Harry Reid – 12/4/09
Who’s the chump now, Jane?”
I think this is your intelligent post waitomo
you missed a lot, where do the hate for Obama come from
one case below:
in July Obama killed the Public Option, it is in writing,
however, in September OBAMA is telling a crowd of democrats the PUBLIC OPTION IS GREAT!!! and he is all for it. (we don’t like being played for fools, maybe you do)
Welcome to the OBAMA HOPE A DOPE!
the TRUTH should not hurt!
Glenn and Jane do an awesome job educating progressives about the KABUKI taking place in DC
I’m pretty sure $424 x 12 + $2,500 = More than $5,950.
Have to say, that is a very reckless statement. Will you be certain to be there at that accident, and take some rays for the cause in someone else’s place?
Radiation sickness is about like getting cancer and having it progress to terminal in two or three weeks.
So that makes Palin the Biggest Loser?
wheeeee!
Dear Jane,
Some sort of NAFTA with Korea would do it. But, even if that didn’t occur, just wait until the IRS starts acting as collection agent for the medical insurance industry. One can’t imagine what is going to happen then.
Is Obama so insulated that he can’t see the results that will come from either of those events?
Jane,
Add this to the list of suprise losers, 2nd and 3rd rightwing Senate Republicans. Essentially, the 3rd wing of the Republican party, (tea party) was responsible for the 2nd and 3rd wings of the GOP winning the House, but this same tea party stopped the 2nd and 3rd wing Republicans from gaining control of the Senate. Wipe away Republican Senate Candidates Christine O’Donnell in Delaware, Ken Buck in Colorado, and goofball John Raese in West Virginia and certainly there would have been Real Republican pickups which would have the nation now looking at a 2nd and 3rd rightwing Senate Rule to go with the House.
Jane, I wish you were right on #1.
However, I can still remember Nov 1962 and watching “Nixon’s Last Press Conference” after he lost the CA governor election to Jerry Brown’s dad.
Unfortunately, we *did* have Nixon to kick around later.
In most horror movies, the monster keeps coming back.
So you can write off $1638?
I wonder where some of these Tea Partiers in the House stand on free trade (it’s a foregone conclusion the Senate will approve any job-exporting free trade deal)?
I wonder if an “unholy coalition” of progressives, Tea Partiers and spiteful Republicans looking to deny Obama any/all victories could block any new unfair trade deals in the House?
Nice try on turning the tables, but you’ll notice that I could have gone with Jane’s second, and far classier sentiment directed at Senator Reid, but I didn’t.
Suck it up, Buttercup. There’s more pain coming for dems in 2012, and Reid is still a Chump, yes?
Corporate isn’t fucking around and neither is Jane as far as I’ve ever seen.
Deal with it, or find a nice hobby.
So true… I am done with them all. When Olbermann decided to can worst perons because that was just so vicious, – pointing out the ridiculousness of the righties just is the equivelency of their lies- right after saying that his stuff isn’t the equivilent of Faux lies, I had had enough of all of them. Faux, Faux Lite (ABC), wanna be Faux (CNN), pretending to be the anthetisis of Faux but corporate owned with 2.5 mildly progressive but timid voices (MSNBC) and its inane twin NBC,(MTP is just awful) and the Chip Reid led insanity that is CBS. AND THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL? WHERE? IN WHAT COUNTRY? I watched on the web…no idiotic pundits telling me what all of us with a brain knew was going to happen from Nov 9 2008 when Obama appointed Rahm the DLC sellout. Like all of you, we all knew that there would be no change we could believe in. then the rest of the bad appoints and the inability to negotiate and the “bipartisanship” or really the “gimmethose corporate campaign contributions”. And still Obana doesn’t get it that he and the rest of the milqetoast like Harry Reid screwed up. The healthcare bill was the republican bill of 1994 that Kennedy et al rejected back then. Why did he think that it was such a great bill 16 years later? You know, we have all heard and read about all this a million times before and I am even tired of this…no point in discusing it anymore. Thesse two parties won’t change. I hope the people of this country do before this country goes the way of many other great countries before it…..
Nixon is a freaking progressive in comparion to these people. [EPA, affirmativeaction,detente with Russia,Cjhina} Even his constitutional misgivings pale in comparison to Bush and the current crop. Plus at least back then, the courts didn’t uphold the Nixon illegal activities. Icannot believe I am writing this but sadly it is now true. UGH!
“Fire everyone in the White House.”
Get a brain, Jane.
You listen to Jon Stewart’s audience, you hear him announce that Harry Reid got re-elected, and the young progressive audience explodes into maddened applause. “Wooooo! WOOOHOOOOHOOO!” Not for dems holding on to the senate. For Harry Reid.
Why, God?
Yup. Picking up your dog’s poop [like a responsible citizen] beats listening to Obama any day.
Although there is a common thread of “dog poop” . . .
I trust you are speaking solely of the issue of pot smoking.
‘Cause I’m white, on social security and have two recent college grad kids, neither of whom can find a job [nor can I], so I’ve got a LOT to worry about.
Guess who in the world is really rejoicing about the fact that Republicans won enough seats to probably guarantee that it will be at least 4-6 years before the Democrats can take back the House….Answer: China…..Why?….Answer: Because the Republicans will pretty much guarantee over this time that there will be no real US government investment in the future worldwide market for green, clean, and renewable energy that will amount to MANY TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR, pretty much guaranteeing that China – via past, present, and future MASSIVE government spending and investment in this area – will pretty much own this worldwide market very possibly for the rest of this century and even beyond.
Google with quotations marks the articles “The Green Rush Is On In China” and “Optimism Over China’s Green Technology Market” to read about how big this market will be even in just China and therefore why Chinese government is spending and investing so much money.
This is just the tip of the iceberg as to how this Republican landslide will lead guarantee that the US is screwed in terms of being able to compete in the future world.
Oh, what could have been.
OFG, even though I’m responding a day after your comment, I hope somehow you’ll see this and learn that I feel exactly the same way: STUPID!!
I wish I could be like the legions here who say, “I knew all along . . ” or variations there of, but I didn’t. I hoped for change, I worked for change, and it feels like ashes.
Worse, to me, is that he’s tarnished the term “Democrat” for at least a generation, AND he’s taken out all the potential opposition.
I grieve for my country and my kids.