In the last few days, several bloggers – among them Jon Cohn and Ezra Klein — have written faulty defenses of the health care bill. They used theoretical, counterfactual alternatives in defense of the health care legislation they’ve supported, calling to mind Voltaire’s classic, Candide. In it, Voltaire heavily mocks the extreme optimism of Pangloss, who concludes all is good no matter how terrible things are because we live in “the best of all possible worlds.”
Democrats made dozens of serious mistakes with health care
It’s important to remember health care reform hurts Democrats not only because it was health care reform, or that they’ve faced lock-step Republican opposition, or because the economy is really bad. Health care reform hurts them because it was executed in a painfully slow, corrupt and incompetent manner. At almost every turn, they made horrible choices. Deciding to focus on the long-term cost curve and Congressional Budget Office score instead delivering immediate benefits was an unforgivable error in this economic climate. Wasting months trying to get ultra-conservative Mike Enzi (R-WY) on board was an act of nearly unparalleled collective stupidity. Allowing the fight to drag on as the bill became progressively less popular instead of quickly passing it with reconciliation was a very bad idea. Empowering Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman by taking reconciliation “off the table” made jackasses of the whole party as the two Senators’ ridiculous demands clearly undercut popular support. The backroom corporate deals which netted no GOP votes were devastating. Lying to the base for months about the public option after having promised insurance companies it would be killed ensured the health care fight would end with incredibly bad blood between Congressional Democrats and their base. A mandate forcing people to buy a product from the highly unpopular insurance companies was an awful idea that Democrats foolishly refused to drop or modify. The mistakes are almost too many to list.
This election is going to be a bloodbath. A clear argument can be made that the way in which Democrats supported health care reform significantly hurt them. In spite of these same writers’ insistence the law would become popular after passage, it clearly has not. In terms of the policy, the law is at best weak and poorly designed. Given how many huge mistakes Democrats made, defending their actions requires some extreme creativity and mighty weak straw men.
Stupid choices are limited in Klein’s and Cohn’s fantasy worlds
Both Ezra Klein and Jon Cohn maintain in their strange defense of health care reform that this election would have been bad for Democrats not because of health care reform, but because of even worse political ideas.
Said Ezra Klein:
But since I’m interested in the counterfactual, let me offer it: How many seats do the Democrats lose in a world where everything is the same — that is to say, health-care reform passed, and it was an ugly process — but unemployment is 5.5 percent? How about in a world where unemployment is the same, but health-care reform was never attempted, and the Obama administration instead sought a price on carbon?
My best guess is that Democrats lose 25 fewer seats in the first world and five more seats in the second world (as cap-and-trade would provoke the same outrage on the right, and also harm some traditionally Democratic districts where they mine coal). But that’s just my best guess. What’s yours?
Given the current economic crisis, spending months focused on taxing carbon would also have been a horrible political move. If the only two choices were ignoring the economy to focus on climate change or spending months incompetently pursuing corporate-friendly health care reform, I agree the latter might have been better politics. The fact that Democrats could, in theory, have made an even worse political choice doesn’t refute the fact that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act really hurt Democrats.
Of course since Democrats have free will, they had thousands of good choices in addition to these two bad ones. It is not like Democrats were powerless to do anything about unemployment. Democrats could have used health care reform to focus on current economic problems instead focusing on “bending the cost curve.” Democrats and the economy would likely be in much better shape if they front-loaded benefits to inject billions into the economy and provide coverage directly to millions of voters through Medicaid expansion and Medicare buy-in. They could have passed a better law. They could have jammed through a bill a full year earlier using reconciliation before the popularity of the president and his plan plummeted. They could have then spent the rest of their year focused on programs to increase employment and deal with home mortgage foreclosures.
Jon Cohn actually creates an entire fantasy world in which Obama tries and fails to pass a second stimulus, spends a year failing to improve the economy, and then tries and fails to pass an extension of the Children’s Health Insurance Program. Not surprisingly, in this alternative universe, in which Obama is an incompetent, abject failure, Democrats also get crushed in the midterms. This is somehow proof that the health care bill was not necessarily bad or didn’t necessarily hurt Democrats.
This is one serious logical fallacy. In another alternative reality, where Obama spent all year fighting to restore voting rights to convicted pedophiles, Democrats face even bigger loses. By this logic, getting caught robbing a car wasn’t a horrible decision because the alternative was getting caught in the act of murder. It is implying the country wouldn’t have been better off not invading Iraq because we might have invaded Iran instead. Both are bad decisions, but there still exists a third good choice.
The theoretical existence of even worse choices doesn’t make something a good idea
It’s true that Democrats could have done something even stupider, even more politically detrimental than health care reform that would have made them look even more corrupt and incompetent. This in no way changes the fact that the terrible way they went about reforming the health care system did them serious political harm. It is not just that Republicans tried to stir up anger, or that the economy was bad–although both hurt support–the main problem is that Democrats pursued health care reform in a horribly long, drawn-out, and self-destructive manner. They played a huge role in killing support for the bill–and for themselves–with their endless string of bad moves.
Amazing incompetence, backroom sweetheart deals to corporations at the expense of voters, almost no immediate benefits, systematically lying to your own supporters, wasting months while the fight gets uglier, and allowing self-righteous jackasses to re-write the bill out of spite, and, quite frankly, a very bad policy as the end result all combined to make a seriously unpopular bill that caused significant political damage.
It was not the act–the attempting of health care reform in face of Republican obstructionism and a bad economy–that really hurt, it was the incompetent and corrupt way in which it was done and the poor-quality product that resulted. Health care reform is an albatross around Democrats’ neck, a clear manifestation of how incompetent they are. This is the real lesson Democrats need to learn.
Just because Democrats could have made even worse decisions doesn’t change the simple truth that the awful way Democrats did health care reform is hurting their re-election hopes, and that without their self-destructive actions on this front, they would be better off.




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In the last few days, several bloggers – among them Jon Cohn and Ezra Klein — have written faulty defenses of the health care bill…
Ehh, those two remind me of something Black Swan author Nassim Taleb said earlier this month:
Taleb explained his simple metric for judging whose economic opinions are worth his time: “Did someone predict the crisis before it happened? … If the answer is no, I don’t want to hear what the person says. If the person saw the crisis coming, then I want to hear what they have to say.”
Wake me up when those two apologize for their Dollhouse-like, err, cooperation with the White House. Until then, they’re just rationalizing their own mistakes.
Beltway “pundits,” particularly those who are firmly ensconced in the Veal Pen, have a vested interest in making fallacious arguments and building strawmen
“Health care reform is an albatross around Democrats’ neck, a clear manifestation of how incompetent they are.”
It has nothing to do with incompetence, Jon. It’s an act performed for a gullible audience, the end result having been preordained by the real powers behind the throne.
Below is a must read article, which might help to sort things out a bit – in case you have missed it somehow.
http://my.firedoglake.com/szielinski/2010/10/30/a-karpian-analysis-of-barak-obama-%e2%80%94-reform-and-the-uses-of-misrule/
If the Democrats had really wanted to make real change, they would have pushed through re-creating some New Deal-style programs to directly put people to work. Spending money to rebuild our infrastructure alone would have created millions of jobs directly and indirectly, and the Republicans would have howled for all they were worth in vain. Failing that, eliminating the filibuster would have enabled some real progressive change instead of the incrementalist and corporatist crap we in fact got.
But Obama and the Democratic leadership didn’t really want changes like that. They wanted to play smoke and mirrors and not do anything that would really rock the existing economic power structure. Because they are part of it. Now, things will get worse.
Fucking Ezra Klein, he used to be a primo DFH blogger once upon a time. He got his start blogging at Pandagon with Jesse Taylor long before Amanda Marcotte and others showed up there (Jesse had to give it up when he went to work on a Political campaign, but he’s back now). Then Ezra went out on his own after he got noticed at Pandagon, and finally sold out to the Washington Fish-wrapper Post and the occasional MSNBC appearance.
That’s his story and he’s stuck with it now that he’s an official-as-hell member of the Village.
So, according to Ezra Klein and Jon Cohn, the corporate-friendly health care “reform” is a great big POS, but the Democrats have their heads so far up their asses that they could have made even worse choices.
When I sum up the essence of their arguments, they actually ring true…
I will think twice before ever voting for a Democrat again.
It’s not just 2010. Many of us warned that HCR is going to be a drag on Democrat prospects for years to come.
Who knows if passing a better health reform would have helped this election cycle, but it certainly would have helped down the road.
Ezra Klein and Jon Cohn are enablers of a sick president and sick party.
There are Veal Pens and there are what I call Honey Traps, and there are occasions when I wonder whether FDL does not in fact represent the later.
By ignoring the growing evidence that we are simply being treated to a form of Kabuki which leaves us always on the short end of the equation, and yet insisting that all we need is a generational effort to help throw ‘good’ Democrats into the unredeemably foul cesspool of a system owned outright by a thriving Oligopoly, – we are perpetuating insanity and our own misery. Why?!
Right on the money! If only they had passed real health care reform, they’d be hailed as heroes and would be reaping great electoral benefits. But they didn’t. Look at them now.
I made 50 calls to GOTV for Russ Feingold last week.
One person I spoke with said he had always voted for Russ, but was not going to this time because of Russ’ vote for HCR.
About 23 calls were enthusiastic about voting for, 4 Republicans, 22 were incomplete calls (refused, wrong number, not home)
Wanna bet Ezra has a nice townhouse in Georgetown, gets a nice salary from the Post and is writing a book or something? Probably about how the DFH’s have corrupted the system by being dissatisfied.
I have been in DC for three decades. Ezra Klein is one of the WORST examples of selling out I have seen. When DDay and others link to him, I just cringe.
Excellent analysis.
Medicare expansion would not only have been politically popular and easy to understand, it would have been (for political reasons) untouchable by Republicans. And yet we are expected to believe that Joe Lieberman single-handedly brought it down out of spite?
Sorry, meant that as a response to Jo.
I only voted for one democrat on my ballot, simply because I was voting against dino rossi, one of the biggest douchebags this state’s ever had. Other than that, I wrote in jane hamsher, because voting the lesser of 2 evils has been failing for 40 years
Outside of healthcare *cough* reform just what has Obama accomplished?
Passing a health care bill with immediate benefits and a strong PO would have given millions of people something to fight for on election day. How could it not have made a difference for the Dems?
Healthcare reform might be better be described as a bailout of the insurance industry, and a guarantee to the drug industry that they could keep charging us more for the same drugs than they charge the rest of the world.
Would have guaranteed D majorities in both chambers.
National Healthcare and drug prices the same as Canada and Mexico have could have saved consumers how many millions this year and that would have boosted consumer spending how much?
Medical emergencies bankrupt how many Americans and force homes into foreclosure hurting banks and lowering home prices?
“…Since everything is made for an end, everything is necessarily for the best end.” And for the Democrats, the campaign cash they were promised (only to be eclipsed by the other side) was too much to turn down.
Why bring up healthcare now the Obama bots I think would not want to remind anyone about healthcare right before the election they are expected to lose.
Unless either Obama’s PR people are stupid which I admit is true. Or B they don’t think they are going to lose.
Canadian style healthcare would save at least half a trillion a year while giving businesses and workers stability in health care costs. It would be hugely popular and add to GDP. And of course all those lives saved. Oh, well…
Dissatisfaction with the Democrats is the theme of 2010.
The only problem is that the moronic Democrats have decided that they just haven’t been able to sway the Republicans’ base, so they need to try harder to do the impossible, i.e. make them happy with Democrats.
Meanwhile, they don’t seem to notice that the people who helped get them all elected in 2006 and 2008 are fed up with their inability to deliver real change.
They should be worrying only about the anger, frustration, and dissatisfaction among the people in their own base, the people who wanted them to use the power of government wisely to get the kleptocrats under control.
Most people don’t realize what those 20+% annual premium increases do to hiring decisions. They’d rather scream about socialized medicine even when we don’t have it.
Half a trillion dollars of increased consumer spending would be its own stimulus bill! Cripes nobody in Washington understands economics.
They don’t care because either way, the P’sTB prescriptions will become law!
One even two bloggers covering healthcare might be a fluke this is starting to smell like an organized PR campaign. Again why would Obama be trying to sell this policy as a winner now?
But we do have a socialized FIRE sector, and the Dem’s won’t ever touch that.
Home economics they get, as in, “I do my masters’ bidding and keep my job and my spouse gets hired as a lobbyist.”
Hear, hear fuckno.
While I agree with most of Jon’s analysis re: the policy and politics of HCR one thing I get really sick of hearing is the Democrats suffer mainly from incompetence and spinelessness.
The Democrats sold out the American middle class decades ago. They don’t continuously support corporate powers over average Americans because of incompetence. They put their corporate partners first and foremost because this is their primary constituency.
Again, the only difference between the parties is that the Democrats still have to pretend to support the middle class.
And they won’t change until the major liberal interests groups and unions accept this simple fact and move forward from there.
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A dumb law the kind of thing sane people don’t mention like they don’t mention the dumb things they say after drinking all night. Obama is acting like the poem he wrote while he was drunk is a Sonnet and the insults he gave his date all night ( us ) were really compliments Retard really pissed me off!
I think O is still drunk.
Watch them squirm around trying to cover up the latest mortgage mess, and other outrages. I was reading the Taibbi exerpt about Daley’s incredibly shitty deal to sell off Chicago parking meter revenues to middle eastern potentates. No wonder he’s retiring, and hello Rahm.
You can be a spineless coward, stupid, and a sellout. You can help yourself and your family even as you cost America jobs Obama like Bush before him can be a failure on multiple levels. Lets not argue which level he fails at when he fails in many different ways.
He doesn’t want Obamacare to be seen as responsible for the D losses. If that theme settles in, it has drastic consequences for2012.
That’s why Ezra is twisting himself into rhetorical knots. Yglesias will soon follow.
As Michael Hudson repeatedly states; we will be made to embrace a toll-booth economy, whether we like it or not, – unless we just tell the Fuckers to get elected with no votes from us.
I hear Chicago is worried Rahm becomes mayor the rest of the city will be sold at bargin prices to people who will jack up the price of everything once they buy it.
Ok but why mention healthcare at all then would it not be better to ignore it rather than reminding voters and the press about healthcare right before an election the Dems expect to lose?
I agree you theory works because I think Obama’s PR people are stupid, but it still amazes me just how stupid.
I blog here almost every day and I still get amazed at just how stupid they are:(
It’s all but a Cirque du Soleil for the benefit of Le nuveau Roi Soleil.
Yes, Rahm will cash in his chips with JPM and the rest of the socialist banks now that he’s made sure they got another two years of filthy lucre. Apparently they broker all these deals to sell off American infrasctructure to the sovereign wealth funds fattened by the high oil prices partly engineered by the banks with the collusion of Washington. Around and around it goes.
Another thing in the Taibbi piece: Rendell’s attempt to sell the Pennsylvania Turnpike to the Shieks in a deal brokered by JPM.
Health insurance “reform” is a travesty no doubt. Not only did Obama engage in crass backroom dealing to ensure industry approval, the bill was written by a former industry vice president so that the result was legislation that helped to preserve the warped nature of the industry.
Consider this: Health insurance salaries, profits and costs are increasing at ever faster rates. Premium increases become necessary to maintain profit and salary levels. The rate increases then force younger and healthier customers out of the marketplace. That is, the industry loses more and more of its most desirable clients. To prevent declining profit levels due to a further loss of desirable customers, premiums must be increased yet again forcing more and more of the most desirable customers out of the market and so on. This catch 22 for the industry presaged a crisis so severe that it could have eventually led to collapse. How to solve the problem? Force the young and healthy back into the clutches of the industry by mandate. By compelling the young, under a law to be enforced by the IRS, to buy a defective product, Obama became the industry’s savior.
The rest of the bill is rigmarole that presents challenges to lawyers who surely will find ways to sidestep the most burdensome details.
You will see a full court press against the theme that HCR cost Ds the House — and almost the Senate. By all the Obama ass-kissers. He sees this as a MAJOR threat to his nomination, much less election, in 2012.
He broke the all-time record for most political capital squandered in the shortest possible time. That record will never be broken.
More better Dems, to the rescue!?
Really, FDL?
Agreed. These things certainly aren’t mutually exclusive.
But my point was that the Democratic Party, not just Obama, put their corporate partners before average Americans very, very, very, intentionally.
Because the sad bastards have convinced themselves that it was a good piece of legislation? After spending months shilling for this shitty bill and making excuses and browbeating the base they became convinced that HCR was, on balance, great for the country! It’s a form of Stockholm Syndrome or some other diagnosable malady. But how else can these people live with themselves? The mind is incredibly good at protecting itself.
it could not possibly become popular since it forced people to buy health care from private, for profit organizations who’s only concern is their bottom line
what a RIDICULOUS “health care bill”, it was an insurance bailout plain and simple, funded by the middle class and EVERYONE but the asinine obama chair leader blogs KNEW it
I remember they tortured us for not supporting mockery, they supported it with blinders on because obama was the frigging masiah, could not possibly do any wrong.
when those supposedly progressive blogs supported this corporatist’s feeding tube to insurance moguls I realized that “democrat pundits” are as stupid and easily bought off as their republicans couunter parts
I just read on raw story that almost 50 percent of democrats do NOT want obama to run again
THANK FRIGGING GOODNESS, THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY CHALLENGE FOR THIS TROJAN CORPORTIST WAR CRIMINAL
I sure hope gore runs, or kucinich, or feingold
let’s get a frigging progressive on the frigging ticket win or frigging lose
sooooo wrong.
Why would anyone buy American infrastructure when billions are needed to repair our roads, bridges, sewage, water treatment plants etc?
Investors I expect will raise prices but I don’t expect them to use those price increases to fix the infrastructure I expect investors to want quick cash.
Chicago had a story a few days ago about a guy using his van to knock over the new parking machines and steal the whole machine.
In this economy I expect more theft.
They don’t need to fix any of it, just put up toll booths.
I accept your theory about why Obama thinks like he does I just don’t think this can work at all no matter what Obama tries.
the man could have done anything he wanted, the entire world supported him.
he could have been one of the great presidents, nay, one of the great heads of state of all time
instead he ranks almost as low as his predecessor and THAT is one rare accomplishment all by itself, to be considered even by those in his own party to be nearly as bad as one of the all time worst presidents in our entire history
what a frigging waste
Let’s look at the example of the French corps who move in and privatize water systems around the world. First, they cut the workforce and raise rates, then they do the bare minimum in maintenance. I’m sure the front companies for these ME potentates will follow a similar strategy.
Knowing our corrupt scumbag politicians they probably also have clauses in these 75 year leases that let the corps off the hook for a lot of that maintenance. Something like a “pre-existing condition” clause in a health insurance contract. “Hey, that bridge was falling apart when we leased it so now the state has to fix it. Plus, we’ll charge the state for our lost revenue while the bridge is being rebuilt.”
I can agree with that they are not innocent their actions are intentional.
I guarantee, obama gets some health wanted signs out on the street he will win re-nomination and re-election
real help wanted sings, not mccdonald signs, living wage jobs and the man gets re-elected
word!
and securitize it all to boot.
Taibbi points out how these deals are structured as leases rather than buyouts so as to be more politically palatable. It doesn’t seem as if America is being sold off one bridge at a time.
But the other obvious advantage to leasing versus buying is reduced liability for upkeep, I would think.
How about replacing that bit of sarcasm with some specifics?
Cognitive Dissonance great this is Bush’s third term the Leader can never admit making a mistake or changing his mind because he thinks it makes him look weak.
True strength is to admit your wrong and that you made a mistake.
you know, fdr had corporate sell out’s in his party too, he went around them, twisted their arm, squeezed their nuts
I blame the captain not the sailors, their was no mutiny, the captain pretty much asked them to sell out for corporate sponsorship
Of course. What good is a filthy backroom deal to screw the American taxpayer if it doesn’t include the added bonus of additional billions in leverage.
Duncan, are you referring to the excerpt from Taibbi’s new book? If not, can you provide a link?
obama is in heaps of trouble and he is now realizing it
I heard on the news today he went to support someone somewhere and the only notable incident was the lack of people who attended
I heard his speech, it was pretty well written yet hardly anyone applauded and he had some serious trouble delivering it with any kind of authority
he’s lost it and he knows it, found out far too late and did nothing about it even when he did find out
Bridges falling down liability, sewage water liability liability equals cost and a period where as the investigation happens no cash is coming in any bets the funds will sell America’s infrastructure profits like they did home loans?
No cash coming in means a home loan market type crash. Stupid but hey people bought home loans despite the warnings.
Isn’t Obama a bit worse at this? While Bush just stared into the camera and said, “fuck you, I did nothing wrong” and refused to answer questions, Obama actually tries to argue his case. Look at his pathetic performance on Stewart. In the end he looks like a weak-kneed equivocator while Bush came off as an uncompromising thug. The kind that I guess people want to have a beer with.
There was one in another thread. It’s in Rolling Stone. Let me look for a good link…
Ok but how does he create jobs the GOP won’t let him?
‘Cuz that’s all they got, is my answer. They don’t do substantive things that earn them our substantive approval, they just sell us down the river to the highest bidders and make up self-exculpatory narratives later.
The PR is being fixed around the despotism. And it’s not free-range organic PR, this is the highly-enriched shit that can jack whole nations to hell all at once.
Tune in tomorrow for another episode of “That’s Not a Bug, That’s a Feature,” starring Ezra Klein and his fellow sell outs, where we’ll be told just how fortunate we are to be screwed royally in the name of good governance. Sponsored by GE: “we bring weapons-grade PR to life.”
since we have the epic fail/sell out of the democratic party, I am wondering what will happen, when we are gone and nobody is here to tell everyone what really caused the downfall of this once great society, what will become of our children now that america is gone
too much for me to deal with tonight and I am off to bed
be good to yourselves everyone
Here it is:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/222206?RS_show_page=0#sortBy
Great read, and it tracks what a lot of the heavyweights have been chronicling for the past several years.
Is the edit function working for anyone yet? (I’m hoping it’s not a Windows 7 or browser bugaboo.)
Sorry about the edit function being disabled. The problem is not in your tv set.
well, you’re right of course, now that he’s lost his majority it’s going to be hard
however he can pull an fdr/reagan, he can take it to the streets, he can try to get the constituents to pressure their critters into allowing them to go to work
but alas, this is not the man, pardon the plagerism but obama is no fdr.
is that the understatement of this thread or what?
g’night tcu and all the dogs by the fire at the lake, slumber warm
That’s good to know, thanks. But of course it’s a PIA situation for the programmers.
America is broke the contract will be as you say but we not one state can afford to fix their infrastructure now if a bridge falls down or a water treatment plant starts pumping brown sledge then those securities don’t pay and if the states default on their fix the infrastructure contracts where will they get the cash in this economy to even pay a partial judgment?
Levee’s in New Orleans can go at any time, flood control dams on the mississippi, bridges etc when the state faces millions inn lawsuits investors hoping to get the state to cough up cash to get their investments up and running will be waiting next in line.
So you think this is Obama starting to panic? Then I guess he will double down on his being right and us being wrong. Third party here we come.
Healthcare is all he’s got? Your right and thats sad better to be silent would be my advice.
It’s a huge problem that gets talked about/referred to but usually not in the kind of detail that drives the point home to people. Until a bridge collapses.
Another side of the leasing scandal is that governments lose control over the infrastructure asset in question. Surely this will have an impact on any future plans to upgrade or maintain — to the point of running the cost of such projects even higher.
The man has options but he refuses to use them:(
If you wait to long to upgrade or maintain and in some cases we have already waited to long it then becomes a question of replace the entire thing and the choice is cheap and quick replacement to get money flowing to investors or slow and expensive but a long term better buy for investors and citizens.
The quick money types running funds always choose cheap and quick just ask their wives:)
Thanks, that is the one I thought you meant. I had not yet read it, although Taibbi is in my RSS feed.
There are a few glitches remaining after the upgrade. Edit is one, and backslashes after apostrophes in the sidebar lists are another. And navigating to a partner site using the nav links at the bottom or top get me, at minimum, a logged-off message even though I’m not, and getting to the same place via my RSS shows me as logged in.
I am retired from a techie job, although not programming, and I can appreciate all of the work going on backstage.
Buullshit. The only cost savings were for employers who can now dump health insurance costs on employees.
For the citizenry? Nothing.
Jon, I think you are right on this. The biggest concerns independents have with Democrats is that they don’t stand for anything and are corrupt. Unfortunately, The Healthcare “reform” disaster reinforced both perceptions.
My take on why we got this disaster is that Obama, and most of the of the Senate Democrats, grossly miscalculated their ability to blow smoke up our asses. Remember Wall Street Chuck guarenteeing a public option? The Democrats were going for the win-win scenario- i.e. industry & their base both being happy with the result. But ultimately the Democrats duplicity was revealed and the nation has recoiled in horror ever since. Couple that with sell-outs on the various other “reform” bills and a stagnant economy, and the next thing you know we end up with the most radical Republicans ever being elected to congress. It is all very sad.
Yes. “Bending the cost curve” was far worse than jargon. It was absolutely obscene dissembling.
It is simply futile to defend indefensible. Like going out to defend Iraq WMD claims and its war.
Congress and Executive branch is supposed to act in the long term interests of American Citizens and not Corporations some of them trans-national. On top of that they are supposed to be honest. If something important is stated in the campaign statement, stated repeatedly during the bill progress in congress and senate i.e. Public Option it better be there in the final signed bill. If everything is affordable then there is no need for IRS enforced Individual Mandates. People themselves will choose it to avoid huge risk. Goal was not even reform but bonanza with no oversight of Anti-trust looking over and worsening the health care situation faced by main stream. Main stream People know exactly what happened and that is why there is huge Republican wave right now. Republicans were smart that they never went for this liberty stifling in favor of Corporations bill even though they might have been broached about it multiple times and when they too had a chance to pass this with GWB at the helm.
If Democrats are serious about Public Option they still have the majority. It is nothing but Medicare buy-in for all and can be passed in 50-plus majority vote in a matter of days. So bloggers listed above get serious with them how they can spend the next 60 days making this happen instead of indulging in what-if history.
Republicans of all the people will be remembered as the people who got them out of this IRS enforced mandates for AHIP and Pharma by the mainstream if not done by judicial branch already.
That massive waste of capital is definitely Obama’s most significant accomplishment so far.
Thanks msmolly, we know about the apostrophe slash issue, but will look into the nav bar question. Thanks for the feedback.
when talking about the pain or gain of health care insurance reform, why is it no one mentions the 900 Americans who were dying from insurance company spread sheet every month? Is it because they no longer vote after they’re dead?
That is the first thing I thought of when I heard about the delay of the HCR bill until 2014. They were willing to let 200,000 Americans die. D.I.E.
& apparently on Tues. they’re going to be witnesses to just how sick the public is of this President and his party as well. That these fools have singlehandedly revived the rotting corpse of the Rethug party is by itself proof of just how politically bankrupt they all are.
That giant sucking sound you here is PhRMA et al vacuuming up the middle class with the vacuum provided by Obama and friends.
Massive fail.
If my calculations are right, big Pharma bought the middle class from the Dems for about a penny a piece.
That and how difficult it is to vote when you’re really sick. Bet the actuaries have work ups of statistical likelihood of various illness scenarios casting votes.
There were no mistakes made, Jon. The series of events were pre ordained even before Obama’s election. Kabuki, kabuki, kabuki.
Sorry although I agree the Dems did much wrong in the health care bill and getting it passed. “bending the cost curve” is not only important but essential. Liberals who pretend that we can afford anything without thought to cost don’t do us any good. Also if we were doomed to retain the current insurance company based system–and I think I have to agree that scrapping the whole thing for a single payor was not going to happen this century–then the mandate that everyone needs to buy in was also essential. What it should have been coupled with was a true public option now and not the cave ins to woo non existent votes of Republicans and “Democrats” like Nelson and company.
I know very few things in this life with any degree of certainty, but I do believe that as bad as the Democrats are, the Republicans are much worse. The Democrats identify problems, propose humane solutions and then don’t fight for them. The GOP simply wants to cut taxes, do away with agencies and regulations and return to the wild west and the robber baron era. HCR, my BC/BS has gone up 45% in 5 months and thanks to the new HCR regs, my benefits are going down and my deductable up. That’s what reform has meant to me. I supported HCR, but the insurers and Pharma made out, not the average American. I’m sick of both parties. I will vote. I’m old and it’s a habit, but I understand why other don’t. They are fed up. There hasn’t been any change to believe in. The Dems had the country at their back, and they blew it.
Excellent line with deep insight. If one needs a one-line summary on HCR Bill this is it. Making a slight relevant correction.
That giant sucking sound you here is PhRMA, AHIP et al vacuuming up the middle class with the vacuum provided by Obama and friends.
Mainstream has the numbers and they have to vote to be counted. Vote according to your logical analysis and conscience and not based on anybody opinion. That is the only way we can bring about peaceful, positive change. As long as one skips to vote lies become bigger, ethics become a mythical concept, accountability becomes so medieval concept and life becomes laden with mandates for private corporations.
I agree – Obama got what Obama wanted – and avoided getting what Obama promised pre and post election – and when a public option – or Medicare at age 55 – only required a Bidden ruling and 51 votes, he ordered Joe and the rest to not even allow a vote.
The Daily show called it “timid” – I would use other words to describe what Obama did.
Amen,
If instead of bitching on websites like this (which I happen to like, btw) a million or more of us had surrounded congress, reading names of the dead, holding signs, singing songs, holding candlelight vigils and generally scaring the holy fuck out of congress – in a completely peaceful and nonviolent way – we would have medicare for all right now.
I am old and disabled, but I have seen what it takes to effect real change in this country, and it isn’t “second amendment remedies” (which will get you rounded up, imprisoned or burned alive) it is people in the streets to get their “fair share of abuse.”
Here we have the most effective organizing tool in the history of mankind and we are pissing it away, instead of using it to effect change.
Study the labor movement, the civil rights movement, and the Vietnam era antiwar movement. Without them kids would still be working twelve hour days in mines, blacks would still be virtual slaves in large parts of the country – and we would still be in Vietnam.
even better, they could have seized on the current high unemployment to make the progressive case* for single payer. the fact that people who lose their jobs lose their coverage (if they can afford it) would help to bring into focus the stronghold that the insurance industry has on our lives and livelihoods.
but of course, they’re not progressive, or even left of center.
*not that it was really needed: you don’t need a phd in economics to figure out that the profit in for-profit insurance means that there’s less incentive to approve needed care, and less money to pay for it. even the tv-numbed masses understand this.
if done right, it would have helped the from the day it was passed. if for example they had passed medicare for all, even if implementation were months away, the knowledge that help is soon on the way would have liberated americans from their dependence on their jobs for health insurance; and consequently for some degree of financial predictability, if not security or solvency. the dems would have been heroes for standing up to the corporations, but mostly for making people’s daily lives better.
I can’t believe that Obama was once a community organizer. I wonder what kind of organizations he supported and what kind of leadership he encouraged in communities. Or was that a “window dressing” job on the way from Harvard to his first political campaign?
Obama seems quite well aware that his “supporters” are his corporate and military bosses. Every boss has a boss in that world of favors.
I will never in my life forget how freaked out I was when I learned how Max Baucus was running around and meeting with the monopolized health care system we thought we voted to fight (WITH A MANDATE). Most of us wanted Single payer. When Baucus had single payer advocates arrested for just showing up and Obama and the party said nothing , I knew I was done with the Dems. I might vote for a few here and there. But I know now I will try to vote in a third party, or a Kucinich, no matter what the cost. Which there is little cost as we have seen since the last election. With Dems like these, who needs Republicans?
Voting for two parties serving the same corporate masters is not a choice. Voting for Dems, who rose to power promising real change and insinuating that Single Payer was where that change was pointed, makes me HATE these people. I have never in my life experienced this kind of open bald face lying . I’ve seen it before but this takes the cake. These people knew that millions of people were counting on them. Poor single moms sending Obama ten spots. It was a do or die to get real health care.
Then the next slap in the face. The Obama WH stating that the foreclosure epidemic is legal and is just suffering some paperwork and technical problems ended all benefits of doubt I had about him. These banks have put uncounted laws in place that allow them to basically do whatever they want to struggling people. What they want is indefensible. They literally want to rob these people blind and do it to as many people as possible. The technical aspect of law is a complete red herring. Look at the millions of people in America that have fallen victim to this scam. Then discuss technical legality as a defense in the face of open fraud? You’ve got to be kidding. We know the laws were changed wholesale and they couldn’t even stay within those boundaries and now the WH is gonna stand there and be blase about it.
We need a third party. We need Dennis Kucinich, and we need to vote for him like brave young soldiers that know they may well die but do it anyway. I think he could win now though if he ran on the Independent ticket or Green.
Currently, we are voting in corporate predators that own both sides of the two party system. I don’t care if my vote is “wasted” It won’t be wasted because at least I will stand and say, I not going to hide behind a lesser predictor because I’m afraid.
PS. If Max Baucus gets reelected I will never go to Montana again nor will i buy a single good or service from there for the rest of my life. That’s a promise.
That’s not an issue. The real question is–what is driving the costs?
Third-Way Dems and Republicans, having drunk the capitalist Kool-Aid, tell us that it must be the old supply and demand–Americans have it *too good*, at least those with insurance, and we’re spending without restraint on medical services because we can. Ergo, the solution is to force Americans to pay more out-of-pocket. That is essentially what this health care “reform” does.
But there are those of us who’ve noticed a thing or two. One, Americans have been paying increasingly more out-of-pocket over the past 20 years. Two, even those of us with “good insurance” as this is reckoned in the USA pay more out-of-pocket than people with “socialized medicine” in Europe or Japan. If paying more out-of-pocket drove down costs, if the capitalist Kool-Aid mantra was correct, the US should be the low-cost leader in the world. But we are not.
The problem with the assumptions that “all economists” (to quote Obama) make with health care services is to assume that they are just like any good or service, just like any generic widget that people voluntarily consume. In their models, people tell each other things like: “What you doing this weekend, Fred?”–”Oh, I think I’ll go down to the doctor and get a appendectomy”. But of course, in reality people don’t consume health care that way. They only get such things when they need it, when they effectively have little choice in the matter. Health care services will thus always be a seller’s market.
Moreover, health care services are often not pleasant. Even if a root canal was free, with no out-of-pocket expenses whatsoever, people would not line up to get them. Even procedures like a colonoscopy, free under most medical plans, where the patient is drugged wipes out an entire day and no one wants to do it. The whole issue defies simplistic models of cost.
Then why have health care costs escalated? Well, some of us note that health care costs did not escalate until the 1970s. Before then, health care in the US was delivered by non-profit institutions–religious institutions and charities and even county hospitals and clinics. Achieving universal coverage has always been a problem, but back then, for many people costs were affordable (the cost of a birth in the 1950s was about $450-650, in today’s inflation-adjusted dollars. By comparison, today it’s more like $8000). In the 1970s, the capitalists moved in to make health care a *for-profit* system. And the costs shot through the roof in a seller’s market (see above) as each provider in each step of the way has to make his 20 or 25 % profit margin.
Then you look at other countries, and see how they control cost. Guess what?–gosh by golly, be it by either the direct delivery of services, or the insurance program, or by strict regulation, they take the profit out of the system. They do this even though to confound Obama and the Repugs, their populations might see their doctor more often than Americans (Japanese see their doctor three times more often, and their out-of-pocket expenses are capped at about $800 per year). By conservative and Obamacrat standard, Japan’s health care costs should be shooting through the roof. But they are not–they are half of ours, even with Japan’s demographics, the country of octogenarians.
This is the Emperor, and his new spanking set of clothes, that our politicians and paid-for economists don’t see and don’t want to see. It calls their whole ideological framework for the superiority of unregulated capitalism into question.
StewartM
The fact the Journo-list Circle Jerks would get it wrong is not surprising.
The fact the Soo-many take these charter members of the Perpetually Wrong Club seriously is a bigger issue. That HCR debacle killed the Dem-brand and (alleged) left-wing solutions for a generation – not surprisingly to those of us who have been campaigning for REAL health-care change for a couple of decades.
(I might add, killing the Dem brand is not a bad thing at all. However, so many confuse Democrats and lefties as synonymous.)
The other morale of the story is that whenever Ezra and his ilk write about anything of relevance – health care, foreign policy, financial reform, etc. – just disregard. It’s more than likely just warmed-over Beltway chatter.
The democrats made many mistakes and the biggest one was not focusing on the economy and getting people back to work. Any democratic consultant who believed the democrats wld stay in the majority with over 10% unemployment needs to find a new line of work. The democrats were warned by many that this healthcare bill was going to come back like a boomerrang and cut them to pieces but they pressed on anyway. When given a choice of passing a bad bill or saving a bad president’s presidency they chose the latter and many of them will be going home bcz of it. Obama, Pelois, and Reid deserve to lose their jobs. Their performance and not their party is what people are voting against.