I don’t think Valerie Jarrett is a bad person for using the words “lifestyle choice” when speaking about the recent rash of gay teen suicides. The more important question always goes to intent — did Jarrett mean what Tony Perkins means when he uses those words? Did she mean to imply that the teens were responsible for their own predicament because they chose to be godless hedonists? I just don’t believe she did.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to the choices people make about language, and I don’t see any reason to think that Jarrett did anything more than use words that are atavistic and reflect cultural isolation from the LGBT movement. She put herself out there to comfort the parents of those teens and spoke out against the bullying that led to their deaths. That counts for a lot more.
The much greater problem is that the comments do reveal Jarrett to be unfamiliar with the discourse in the LGBT community for the past 40 years. Which doesn’t make her a leper either — it’s hard to be up on the crosscurrents of every community all the time. But Jarrett is ultimately in charge of LGTB relations at the White House. Brian Bond, the LGBT liaison and Deputy Director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, reports directly to her.
Josh Gerstein writes today that Rahm Emanuel was the one in the White House who “sought to avoid a showdown with the military over the issue” of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. As Obama was making critical decisions on Iraq and Afghanistan, he “didn’t want the process derailed by the culturally freighted gays-in-the-military fight.”
So when White House senior staff were discussing how to proceed on DADT, who was the one tasked with representing the concerns of the LGTB community? Who answered Rahm on their behalf? Ultimately in the White House food chain, that was Jarrett.
And once again, this brings us back to the problem of the veal pen. The White House chooses “friendly” groups who won’t force them into uncomfortable positions to represent the concerns of various constituencies. The Center for Biological Diversity isn’t invited to the Tuesday Common Purpose meetings, the Sierra Club is. If choice groups want to express their concerns to the White House, they have to go through NARAL’s Nancy Keenan. And when the White House wants to interact with LGBT groups, they communicate with (and through) the HRC.
Which is why it’s extremely troubling that the HRC goes after Republican Ken Buck for his comments on “lifestyle choice,” but doesn’t speak up when Jarrett does the same. I agree that Buck uses the words with the same intent as Tony Perkins — to demean gay people and justify his support for Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. It’s much, much worse than anything Jarrett did. But Ken Buck isn’t in charge of anything.
Before Jarrett appeared at the HRC dinner last week, Alex Nicholson of Servicemembers United called on her to meet with gay and lesbian veterans to talk about the administration’s position on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Rather than help facilitate what in retrospect could have been a very helpful personal encounter for Jarrett, Fred Sainz of the HRC lashed out, saying “these latest hijinks by Nicholson are part of a troubling pattern of irrational, unprofessional, and unproductive behavior.”
Anthony Woods was discharged from the Army under DADT. When he tried to buy a $5000 ticket to the Alonzo Mourning fundraiser attended by President Obama so he could speak to him directly, the same way Wall Street Bankers do, he was turned down. The message of those directly affected by DADT isn’t getting through.
Instead, the HRC covers Obama’s left flank. They are the principal communicators with the White House, and they’re not communicating. They use their clout and resources to marginalize LGTB activists who criticize the White House, branding them as “extreme” and “irrational” within the community. They clearly see their roles as Democratic operatives who insulate the White House from the heat being applied at the grassroots level, and use LGBT issues to advance the Democratic Party’s agenda.
In the wake of the success of the Log Cabin Republicans vs. United States suit, as well as Ted Olson’s advocacy on Proposition 8, the LGBT community is finding what we discovered on Audit the Fed: working across party lines can be one of the most effective ways to advance certain issues. This week, NYU Law School will host a forum entitled “The Log Cabin Republican Victory Against ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’: Are Conservatives the Most Effective LGBT Advocates?” It’s undeniable that the right/left alliance has been extremely important in the fight for LGBT rights. By using these moments as little more than an opportunity for demagoguery and self-promotion, the HRC is only making matters worse.
The HRC was the one organization in a position to know that Jarrett simply is not aware of what’s going on in the LGBT community. Moreover, they are the ones who had the opportunity to communicate with her directly and give her the information she needs to be an effective messenger when critical decisions are being made in the White House. The fact that Jarret wasn’t aware of how members of the LGBT community would hear her comments reflects how poorly served both the White House and the LGBT community are by having the HRC act as principal intercessors.
No wonder the White House is so tone deaf to how their actions are being perceived on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
Jarrett has had oversight of LGBT issues within the White House for two years. Her lack of awareness of the dynamics within the LGBT community is something the HRC bears direct responsibility for. If the HRC, as chosen messengers, see themselves as Democratic Party advocates within the LGBT community rather than LGBT advocates to the administration, what recourse do activists have to get the President’s attention, other than chain themselves to the White House and heckle him at public events?





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Well said, Jane. I have to say that your perspective in working in cross movement politics is incredibly valuable in assessing this problem. You get it better than many in the LGBT movement. Thanks for taking the time to write this.
Lane
In an article about DADT, Josh Gerstein writes about a gay rights advocate who speaks to the White House regularly (gee, I wonder who that could be) said Obama and Gates struck a deal, a TWO YEAR deal. I believe the Supreme Court will strike first, but if it doesn’t the blowback from the non-elite, casual dressed gays, won’t be pretty. Another year of this crap, More firings! Gimme a break.
The irony here is that it looks like glbt’s will get their rights through Supreme Court, Log Cabin Republicans, and conservative attorney Ted Olsen. So remind me again why I’ve been voting Dem 20years.
Typo alert: Ken Buck, not Joe Buck.
Thanks!
Man, that was a typo festival. Thanks for the help.
I respect your opinion Jane, but I don’t share it. What offended me so much about Jarrett’s “lifestyle choice” comment was that it inherently blames the victim. “Oh well, if he had just made better choices, he’d be alive and well”. Worse, to use such language after visiting the boy’s parents seemed bizarrely insensitive to the feelings of those who loved him.
The WH has done nothing to improve the lot of our LGBT compatriots. Indeed they have actively worked to enforce their second class status. Jarrett doesn’t live in HRC bubble wrap and neither does Obama. Their behavior has been and continues to be indefensible.
My pleasure — of course, as a football fan, some typos are easier to spot than others ; )
That grant of anonymity to Joe Solmonese — really, who else could it be? — was pretty shocking. It goes to show just how terrified Joe is of losing his White House access.
Jane, thanks for this great post. I knew we could count on you to put the HRC’s failure in perspective. There’s another part, too: the utter failure of Fred Hiatt’s token black gay editorialist, Jonathan Capehart, to check VaJa on her misstep. He knew immediately that what she said was going to generate controversy — I could see it on his face in the video, which was edited to show his reaction to “lifestyle choice.” He got many more clicks for his employer by allowing it to pass unchallenged, and then served as VaJa’s press agent by dutifully “reporting” her apology the following morning (after rabidbadger asked her to, at Seminal).
Many of Capehart’s commenters ask one simple question: how would Jonathan have acted had he heard a GOP say what VaJa did? And when did he become her press flack, with the earnest petition of what she knows in her heart?
HRC, of course, revealed the game when someone had to come in to work to pump up the Ken Buck volume, on a Sunday no less. After their utter silence on VaJa, this makes Jonathan’s behavior look particularly, nakedly partisan as well.
Also: would VaJa ever have met with the parents of the dead teen if they hadn’t been backstage at the HRC gala the same night she drew the short straw at the WH staff meeting, and had to speak to Teh Gheys?
“The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.” — Edmund Burke.
That’s what this election seems to be a choice of, nationally. (There are some very excellent local races. My Rep. Tim Walz, despite being a freshman from a very purple district, has generally stood up for good.) Republicans are running on a platform of evil; Democrats are running on a platform of doing nothing.
It is amazing how Jane uses that half-step back she always takes to look at events askance. This is an incredibly valuable piece.
yeah, believe that’s Geitner’s handle when ‘working’ lower Manhattan
agree, agree, agree,
thanks so much Jane
Tim Walz was the very first Democrat I ever supported who didn’t represent me, or seek to. I was very struck by his personal story. While I don’t agree with everything he’s said or done (nor would I expect to!) he makes a very solid case to his constituents for a re-hire.
Good luck with him. He’s fine.
That’s one of the best juxtapositions I have ever seen. Thanks for that : )
Minor correction: elected in 2006, Tim Walz is technically not a freshman since he was re-elected in 2008. He is more in the nature of what Speaker Pelosi calls her “majority-makers” — the representatives whose election wrested control of the House from the GOP.
Is there an effective pro-abortion rights organization I can send my money to? I’d like to dump the veal-penners at NARAL.
Tone deaf? This Administration is guiltier than simply not being engaged. They are actively inhibiting progress on GLBT rights. Holder is a disgrace if not an outright homophobe. And the tactics taken in defending these many DADT legal challenges and the recent DOMA challenge from MA, suggest this President and his DOJ are opponents of equality for GLBT Americans.
I got a call from someone in Tim Walz’s office several months ago, seeking support. When I said I was not supporting any Congressional Dems because they had been such weak, frightened weasels, I got a call from Walz himself, who explained his positions. He does disagree with Obama on a number of issues, and recognizes his weakness.
I’ve since donated twice.
On another matter: Jane, is Rahm gone yet? If not, when does he leave [Nov. 3]? When is the election for Chicago mayor? I need to replenish my popcorn supply.
I respect your opinion too, phred, and I think that’s a fair interpretation. There is a larger context of white house behavior to consider, and that isn’t pretty.
I think you can hold her accountable for that however without interpreting her remarks as casting blame. Mike Rogers, for example, argues that it is a choice to live openly (rather than closeted), and this is what the bullies were responding to. If you don’t know that the expression has loaded meaning, you might not make that distinction.
Tim’s one of these guys who the press always loves to claim is DOOOOOMED.
They did so in 2006, and then he took out the longtime GOP incumbent, Gil Gutknecht.
They did so in 2008, even though at one point he literally had ten times more money in the bank than all the Republican challengers did combined. (This is when I started to use the term “clown car” to describe the Republican opposition to him. I’ve yet to see a need to change it.)
this is the point media matters has made a few times, that the vast majority of Americans have progressive values but through the marketing of corporate media, they categorize themselves as conservatives
as far as the constituents are concerned, there really is very little between a democrat and a republican, but the politicians need to create the image of a great divide and so it’s left against right until someone like jane comes along, unites the forces for our common goals, draws fire from both camps yet can leave a wake of achievement that others will take credit
Thanks, Jane. Up to your usual standards of insightful analysis, as well as offering a fresh perspective.
Personally, I still have an “issue” with Jarrett’s choice of words. IMO, if Jarrett’s “in charge” of LGBT relations for the White House, to claim that Jarrett “doesn’t understand” the meaning or context or whatever for the use of the phrase “lifestyle choice” rings false to me. But that’s just me; just saying… I think someone who is tasked with this “job” should be more in the know, and Jarrett’s choice of words, plus non-apology for it, just struck me like nasty Virginia’s Foxx’s comments to Matthew Shepard’s mother, that what happened to her son was merely a “hoax.” And Foxx gave the typical non-apology commentary after that, too.
Speaking for myself, I’m sick & tired of “tone deaf” pols blabbing out really nasty comments, and then refusing to even acknowledge that they made a mistake and offer a true heartfelt apology. If Jarrett *really* didn’t “understand” the meaning of that phrase, then, once enlightened, she should have hastened to make it right.
Just saying…
But you make some solid points, Jane, and at this stage, I’m all for working with whomever we can to address the mess this nation is in. Hooray for the Log Cabin Republicans, at this point.
Thanks, Teddy. And thanks for all your amazing work.
When the HRC tells Jarrett and the White House that all this hoopla by LGBT activists is “extreme,” “irrational” and “marginal,” and that they’re golden as long as the GOP is worse, they take that as a reflection of the opinion of the entire LGBT community. Obama throws that back at hecklers in Boston because he thinks everyone but a few cranks has his back.
They never get the real picture. They’re responding based on representations made by courtiers and sycophants.
as far as the “life style choice”
I am not so certain valerie wasn’t talking about the suicide rather then the sexual preference, and while a cold and antiseptic method for framing that suicide, it certainly was a choice to commit suicide
I remember a while back a politician or public figure who claimed homosexuality was a “choice” the person interviewing them asked “so when did you decide you weren’t homosexual”
I forget who was involved but that should be the question that’s always asked when someone says it is a choice
True, but, imo, they’re also responding that way – in this case, at least – because they are homophobic and don’t really want to address this issue at all, if they can possibly get away with it. That much is clear. The calling out of “cranks” & “extremes” & “irrational” reflects their own defensiveness. Tone deaf doesn’t begin to describe it, imo.
No disagreement from me — it’s her job to know. But regardless of the intent behind her words, she genuinely did not know how people would hear that or that they would be upset. That I think is the greater problem, given her job.
That’s a fair point. I just have a hard time separating the use of the word “choice” (however it might be modified and whether used in application to an LGBT person or not) in reference to a teenager bullied to the point of suicide. Absent any other information, had someone said that about anyone I loved who had killed themselves, I would be livid.
I’m not sure I was as clear as I had hoped the first time around, so thought I would take another stab at it : ) As always, ymmv.
Too bad Jarrett is such a close personal friend of Obama. She look to me like a candidate for the post mid-terms housecleaning.
Exactly.
Yeah, I was thinking it was Solomonese as well – for a publicity whore (as he has impressed me) I’m sure that took a lot for him to request to be anonymous
Valerie is the liaison with the Business Roundtable, the corporate skunks who have stunk up trade, offshored our jobs, devalued our currency, and otherwise tried to destroy the middle class.
Choice, or free will, allows for punishment and control in a way that an essential or genetic manifestation does not. In addition, it carries with it at least potential value judgments. Because of this, even if Jarrett was tone deaf to how the phrase she chose might sound, it betrays a perspective on the subject that is probably not the result of HRC filtering.
Capehart said something to the effect that others (other than Capehart that is..)”don’t know her heart”….but he does???? Say wha…
LS
That’s Tim Walz for you. Can you imagine any — ANY — other congressmember telling his or her people “let me know who won’t donate and why, even if they’re not from my CD”? Much less making the followup call himself?
And I’ll bet talking to you did him a world of good.
And what the low-to-medium-information voter hears (and recall, please, that DADT repeal is supported by three-quarters of Americans!) is this: the case was brought — and WON — by Log Cabin Republicans and is being appealed by the Democratic Obama Administration.
If Valerie Jarrett is the LGBT liaison for the White House and does not know that using the term “lifestyle choice” is offensive, how well does she do her job? I think she said that to send us all a message, that the Obama administration does believe that we have made a lifestyle choice. He has said many times that he is against marriage equality. He has allowed women to be raped and then accused of being lesbians, and allowed the majority of discharges from the military to be women. I heard him loud and clear with Jarrett’s remark. Until we hold everyone accountable for what they say and do, we will be no better than gay.inc in not taking responsibility for our own equality.
No, the context was that ‘the parents were supportive of his lifestyle choice.’ No one would ever take away that VaJa meant the parents supported his choice to suicide.
She may have meant that the parents supported his decision to be open about being gay. But that’s not what she said. And words are important, especially when LGBT is her brief at the White House, and Public Engagement is the office she heads.
I’ll take it one step further:
People do what they want to do. If Jarrett wanted to be tuned in, she would be. Ditto Obama.
I think they only want to appear to care; checklist kind of mentality requiring no real effort.
He learned how to look into her heart from Dubya’s look into Vladimir Putin’s heart and soul doncha know.
Bravo, Perris. Agree 100%.
The problem is that they are all nerds. They think they’re cool, but nuh uh.
Or maybe from Sarah’s look into Russia from her porch….
Sorry, sorta OT but relevant to the larger issue, from Krugman:
Epitaph for an Administration
Well then, Mike Rogers and anyone else who thinks she meant “living openly” as a choice is wrong too. Because living openly or in the closet is not an option for all gay men. Some boys or men (both gay and straight) just naturally have effeminate mannerism and/or voices. There is nothing they can do about that. They don’t have to be open about their sexuality for them to be perceived as gay by those around them and for that perception to be what the bullies go after and attack.
Today Amy Goodman has a short interview with Slavoj Zizek.
Zizek discusses the total subjugation of the left to Liberal economic (capitalist) principles, the submission and complete ceding of discourse and policy trajectory in favor of a future, none of us look forward to.
His views challenge our prejudices and our understanding of forces at play. Recc’d
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/18/slavoj_zizek_far_right_and_anti
Great post!
You wrote:
However, I’m wondering how Valerie Jarrett could have no such awareness having “earned a B.A. in Psychology from Stanford University in 1978.”
Can we please get over all this praise being heaped onto republicans as the party now considered so gay-friendly?
Conservative Ted Olson did not win the prop 8 suit on his own. It was a 50-50 job with Progressive David Boies.
Yes, the Log Cabin Republicans brought a successful suit against DADT.
But, all this praise for the party as a whole is a bit over the top, Show me ONE, just ONE republican OFFICE HOLDER or CANDIDATE who has a pro LGBT position on anything.
Thanks Jane. You are a powerful progressive advocate! It’s too bad you’re one voice speaking in the wilderness. Are you lurking White House? If you want to know what progressives think, I suggest you ask Jane Hamsher! But you really don’t want to know, do you?
I heard it as her saying “his parents were supportive of his….(reach for phrase that means ‘gayness’)…er,’lifestyle choice’”…. and said it without really thinking.
It just didn’t seem like there was a lot of intent behind it, she just reached for a phrase, came up with one from the 70′s and then it was out there. Nobody who really thought about it, or who knew what those words meant to people, would’ve said that.
But more importantly, anyone who would make that particular mistake probably isn’t having sufficient interactions with the LGBT community, and should certainly not be in charge of LGBT outreach for the White House.
I feel sure that Obama told Val that she did just fine and not to worry. Just those f******g retards making a fuss.
ya, words are important but we all make mistakes over what we say vs what we mean, all of us, valerie did indeed say this in her in her follow up
and when I heard her quote that’s the meaning I got from it as well
Yes. Looks like she was upon reflecting on her words, seeing suicide as a choice and a tragic one. Probably you have to be there to know what is going on in someone’s heart and in their mind when they are in so much pain that they want to take their own life. Someone compared suicidal impulses to wanting to jump out of a burning building. But only the person trapped inside the pain of that burning building can know that the pain has become unbearable. That is the point at which our reason fails them and the point at which they deserve no less than our complete heartfelt sympathy for their apocalyptic inescapable pain.
Alliances with Republicans have advanced the cause of LGBT issues. That fact is incontrovertible.
To leap from that to “republicans as the party now considered so gay-friendly” is so over the top it’s hard to believe that you conclude by castigating anyone for being “a bit over the top.”
That is probably what she did. And, I’d even be more willing to give her a break if she had issued a REAL apology instead of the ever-so-popular non-apology that everyone issues now.
How about saying that she was sorry for using offensive language instead of sorry if anyone may have be offended. It would have been even better for her to have explained that she meant no offense, but that she obviously isn’t as aware as she ought to be of the appropriate language to use especially since language is her profession.
Can you imagine her, or anyone else in politics at any level, using the term “colored folk” and expecting anyone to believe they just weren’t up on what is currently accepted language? So, the larger question is, why is it OK to use this as an excuse for the LGBT community?
I don’t care if Valerie Jarret means it like Tony Perkins,these folks are terrible.
For chrissakes! let get ‘em out of the WH in 2012.
And if you are a progressive,planning on voting ?…vote for a real progressive not someone who is less evil than the GOP candidate or just don’t vote.
Read the comments to the Krugman piece. Sounds like FDL.
Particularly this one:
my comment about gay-friendly republicans wasn’t directed solely at your article. It’s built up frustration over time and many venues. Since the Prop 8 victory more often than not Ted Olson’s name is referenced without David Boies. And, I don’t think that case would have been as successful if only one or the other had taken it on individually. Then the “coming out” of Ken Mehlman started the gay-friendly republican meme up again. Now, the latest go-round with the Log Cabin victory. But, with Mehlman, Log Cabin and even GOProud, you get very limited single issue support but absolutely no support when it comes to candidates. They all still support virulently anti-gay candidates with their money, time and votes. So, they have helped out with judicial cases, but at the same time want politicians in power who will skew the judicial branch further to the right.
We actually exchanged quite a number of e-mails. I’m sure I sent him a few FDL links as well.
I also found it interesting, because I used to work in a congressional office, so I’ve got a pretty good idea of how this stuff works. [Robo-pen and all.] About twice a year I write my “so you think that ultra-persuasive letter you wrote is REALLY going to ‘change your Congressperson’s mind’ ” post, explaining how UNLIKELY it is that the Congresscritter sees anything beyond a tally of how the mail is trending. Save your lovely words and finely-crafted arguments. It’s all in the numbers; get your friends to write, or write that letter to all of the in-state district offices as well as to DC.
But…”lifetyle choice?” And she’s the point person for LGBT issues? I absolutely think “lifestyle choice” should be one the those phrases she should be “up on.” That’s why she’s paid the big bucks, and besides, everyone who’s remotely aware (or not) knows what “lifestyle choice” implies.
What difference does it make if homosexuality is biological or a choice? Framing the debate on this dichotomy focus the issue, at least rhetorically, on blame, punishment, control and value judgments. We can almost always tell where a person’s sympathies or persuation lie by knowing whether they think homosexuality is a choice or not. What difference does it make if I want to be celibate or hump water buffalo—or anything in between? Is it anyone else’s business (except perhaps the water buffalo’s)?
Or to put it another way, how come the “why” aspect is so important? Because of the way homosexuality has been framed in our culture, with those who are opposed to homosexuality insisting that it is a choice and therefore susceptible to punishment and control, saying homosexuality is a choice typically implies that a negative value judgment has been made.
Sin, except for the original variety, is predicated on choice. You gotta wanna. No choice, no sin. So when a person defines homosexuality as a choice, in our culture it typically reveals a negative value judgment about homosexuality and does not just suggest that one disagrees with a biological cause of sexual orientation.
Good post. Still I have two comments. First, the WH would really have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know there are major issues out there about DADT and gay rights. Second, I suppose I will give Jarret a pass on your say so, but the same thing applies to her. Where has she been on Mars? She is not a high school student. She has to show some level of competence. So OK on your say so but —–.
I agree with your idea of what she did but to me, saying it without thinking is worse because it usually reflects what that person really thinks.
When she said “his parents were supportive of his….(reach for phrase that means ‘gayness’)…er,’lifestyle choice’”, she could have simply said:
“They were aware that their son was gay. They embraced him. They loved him. They supported
his lifestyle choicehim.”.
Reminded me of the Susan B. Anthony quote
I don’t know how close HRC gets to the throne, but they gotta ask about why the Pres will not issue an executive order to end DADT. The last answer seems not to be good enough, maybe he wants to reconsider that.
Hence the part about “working across party lines can be one of the most effective ways to advance certain issues.”
Did I somehow write a post about how great the GOP and all their candidates are on LGBT issues and hit “publish” without realizing it? If so, my bad.
Another example of the bubble the administration put themselves in that prevents ordinary folks from having their views heard. All of that web site information gathering never makes it through the bubble. And folks without experience in that bubble don’t understand the need to get out sometime and, you know, actually listen.
Wow.
Honestly Jane, HOW do you do it? I can’t even fathom the time and effort, and most impressively, the gray matter, to keep so on top of so many different issues, and do it so that you can delve deeper into the subject and enlighten it more than folks who spend their careers in the same subject.
I don’t know if it’s a gift, or a curse, but it’s impressive. (I say possibly curse because if it drives to you to keep digging past 2AM on most nights, that’s tough).
Whatever it is, thank doG you’ve got, thanks even more you’re on the right side, and keep on keeping on.
As a gay man I just feel the need to say that the teen suicides ARE NOT caused by bullies but rather society telling you you are abnormal, mentally ill, deviant, a damned sinner or simply making “a lifestyle choice”. Being called f****t in the halls is nothing compared to having politicians on TV saying you aren’t fit to raise children or having your state vote on your right to get married. Its just much easier to blame bullies than society at large.
I never had major issues growing up gay. But in 2004 gay marriage was used as a wedge issue in my area. The campaign commercials literally made me cry. I can only imagine what some confused 14 year old kid got from those.
Gays are the last group that its ok to malign. You cant even say retard anymore. But you can just about anything about the gays. The real bullies are not in the schools but all around us. On our TVs night after night, rambling on talk radio day after day and serving in the government that is supposed to be protecting us.
No, as I said, it was more about seeing a lot of praise for republicans in a lot of places recently, not here specifically. And, I think many in the media are giving them more credit than is due. Especially since all of them, every single one, still support rabid anti-gay candidates. And, on Prop 8 when they act like Ted Olson did it on his own. I do think you should have included David Boies name along with Olson in this post.
Exactly right. And exactly why we must wonder – given this poor choice of words in this particular role – whether it speaks to Jarrett’s broader dedication to her work, and whether it warrants having her in an “in-charge” position of any sort at this level of government.
Like it or not, part of doing any job is getting the language down and using it appropriately.
Obama is channeling Richard Nixon. I think Obama’s policy is simply one of Benign Neglect toward gay rghts. Why should Jarrett know anything about the LGTB issues? Deliberate status quo is the policy–whether Jarrett knew or didn’t know about assumptions of “life style”, simply does not matter. Defend DOMA because it is the status quo. Do nothing about DADT becasue it is the status quo. Throw a few benies here and there, no big deal. Even if Obama wins 2012 and the Dems keep or retake Congress, expect nothing from him and nothing from most Democrats.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
A great post Citizen Hamsher and your analysis of this issue exposes only part of the larger problem of a “centerist” Democratic power structure that uses the beef in the veal pen to insulate itself from the grassroots contituents it was elected to represent and allows the small cadre of Washinton DC village idiots to talk to one another and decry the terribly uncivilized screaming for justice comin’ from the rubes in the countryside.
We have been experiencin’ this out here in heartland of democracy and anus of progress, the real world of uncivilized politics (western Wisconsin). For the last couple a months while tryin’ to get all the various campaigns and candidates to unite in districts to get the vote out and to mobilize the activists from the ’08 campaign, underfunded and underpeopled campaigns have been duplicating efforts, pissin off local constituents and generally runnin’ into one another. Now in the last two weeks, we get organizers and support from the Obama folks and the DNC to rev-up the folks but the activists and experienced people from the last two election cycles are so burned out and pissed off that it’s taken two full weeks to get phone bank operations goin’…and oh, by the way, now we finally have the ’08 contact lists from the Obama folks and nobody knows where the ’08 lists from the DNC are buried. Now “working accross party lines” might be the most effective way to advance some issues within the elites but, Dear Heart, we already have the troops ready to put votes behind these issues if the Democratic leadership would just get the fuck outta the way.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION IF YOU’RE NOT GUNNA USE IT!!
Hmmm … Since there’s “only looking forward” and even Krugman saying “Epitaph for an Administration,” what are some of the things going on back in Chicago?:
“Can A Homophobic Black Pastor Become Chicago’s Next Mayor?,” Sept. 30, 2010
“Meeks refuses to give up ministry for mayorship,” Oct. 8, 2010
The last two White House Adminstration have mastered the art of representing the few at the expense of the many.
Obama like Bush, have said one thing on the campaign trail to the voters, and once elected ignored the people who got them elected.
How is this Possible?
The USA no longer has a press that works to protect the people of the USA. The current press works for and protects the elites only!
Thank God for Jane and others!!!
Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico, favors marriage equality.
He’ll probably run for president.
He’s a GOP.
You didn’t read much of anything positive over here about Ken Mehlman when he came out, I can assure you of that. And our coverage of the Prop 8 trial scrupulously credited both members of that extraordinary legal team.
I think you’re gonna need to link up your discussion that there’s been too much credit given to the GOP; when deserved, yes, but not overly so by any means.
Thank you.
Bullies aren’t just in our high school hallways; they are on the Senate floor as well.
Valerie Jarrett should be fired. The fact that homosexuality is not a “choice” has been settled in enlightened public discourse for more than forty years. It wasn’t a poor choice of words. One doesn’t accidentally grasp on a grotesque statement like that. It reflects what she and Obama think, how reactionary they are. So obviously she won’t be fired. She should be forced to resign.
Thanks.
Wrong. People choose who they are intimate with.
So, make them get out of the way, citizen Norske.
I wonder, if for the sake of clarity and argument we could agree on the thesis that our PoliticoCapitalist system is relentlessly nudging us in the direction of some kind of form of Kleptocratic Neo Feudalism (or, however else one might wish to define the many anti democratic tendencies.)
Let’s also agree that irrespective of Party, the Government has proven itself amazingly immune (hugely irresponsive) to the will of the majority (thus it’s employer), as Wars, Healthcare, etc., seem to amply support.
Let’s then pose that tomorrow all voters, in unison, send e-mails demanding immediate end to Wars, Universal Healthcare, and Wall Street persecutions and reparations. And, let’s say that the response, as per usual will be some variation of bite me, make me, screw y’all…
What then?
I’ve said in two posts now (I think) that I wasn’t talking about this site specifically, but many venues.
But, you repeat part of my frustration in your response here:
“I think you’re gonna need to link up your discussion that there’s been too much credit given to the GOP; when deserved, yes, but not overly so by any means.”
No credit should be given to the GOP because the GOP has done nothing to be deserving. Some individual republicans have performed some individual acts deserving some credit yes, but the GOP, none at all.
But, enough of this. I’d much rather see some more coverage here about the Cat Food Commission after Obama’s claim at the MTV Forum last week that according to the CBO, Social Security will only be able to pay 70% of it’s obligations beginning in 2017 (or 2018). He acted as if the 2.5 TRILLION dollar surplus Social Security holds in bonds doesn’t exist.
CBO actually says Social Security can cover 100% of its obligations until 2038. And, it is then, not now that the 70% figure comes into play.
If the government can just pretend away the bonds that social security holds, can we do the same with the bonds held by Japan and China? If it’s that easy, we could just get rid of ALL OUR outstanding debt right now, couldn’t we?
The answer to that is evidently NO. When do you think the majority gays will just announce “HRC doesn’t speak for me”? We really need to make it clear that they are the corporatist sell-out gays and speak for no one but their self-regarding, self-appointed selves. I remember reading an SF Advocare articles years ago by then recently gone HRC head honcho Elizabeth Burch in which she described her terror at waking up to the realization one morning that the fate of the entire LGBT liberation movement was “in her hands”. HRC hasn’t changed a bit.
@ Teddy… thx
I see a lot of straight people getting all onboard the anti-bullying meme. Thats great and all but I feel they are missing the larger picture.
Like up north in Montana the Republican Party are discussing making homosexual acts illegal again. And a lot of straights dont know that until just 2003 it was against the law in several states to engage in same sex sex. It was rarely if ever enforced. But it could have been. And the issue wasnt even the law but that “the government” spent a lot of time and energy defending these cases and fighting to keep the laws.
nevermind that the Supreme Court has ruled these laws already unconstitutional, some yeehaws think it would be a good idea to promote this.
So as a gay teen in Montana you now know the Repulicans would outlaw you given the opportunity.
Then there is the ex-gay movement, evangelicals… hell, they want to start executing us again in africa. So even if high school turned into a hug fest, young gays have a ton of baggage coming from the adults at large.
Imagine you are a Montana gay teen. You live in some poor excuse for a town. Your only hope to get out or go to college is to join the military. Sorry. You are unfit for that.
WTF are you talking about?
Exactly!
When did you choose your sexual orientation?
Simple. Hommosexuality is a lifestyle choice. People choose to be straight, gay, lesbian, etc. There are no genes that cause this.
When I decided that I was attracted to the opposite sex.
When did you choose to be attracted to the opposite sex?
Are you being snarky or are you that badly misinformed?
Employ a little agreement resistance. Agree that sexual orientation is a choice. Make those opposed explain why they are so against such a fundamental expression of human freedom.
yes, everyone “chooses” who they are intimate with. But, they don’t “choose” who they are sexually attracted to.
Please tell me which one you are suggesting:
A. Gays, only being sexually attracted to the same sex, should understand that this is wrong and just “choose” to be celibate for their entire lives. They should just go without having someone in their lives, to share their lives with, to love and be loved by.
OR
B. Gays, only being sexually attracted to the same sex, should understand that this is wrong and just “choose” to conform to societal pressure and enter into a sham relationship with someone of the opposite sex.
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
Thanks Jane.
If you’re not going to respond further, that’s cool. Would you consider a little thought experiment? I have no illusions that it will change your mind, but maybe it’l start a process?
Like you, I’m straight. I like boobs, shaved legs, and soft, round butts. I see those things, I get turned on. I don’t think about it, I don’t choose, and I don’t get get turned on when I look at another man.
Straight women look at those same men that I don’t get turned on by, and through their eyes those men look great, and they get turned on.
Is it really so hard to believe that whatever it is inside us (me and you) that makes us naturally attracted to the opposite sex sometimes gets in the other sex and makes them naturally attracted to the same sex? And BTW, most scientists believe it is genetic, they just haven’t identified the gene yet. They also haven’t identified the genetic differences that causes some of the cancers we see, but those cancers are still just as real. And in 2010 scientists in Korea believe they’ve identified the gene that determines sexual orientation in mice.
If you were really honest with yourself, would you say you were “naturally” attracted to the opposite sex or was it a choice? Put another way, were both sexes equally attractive to you and you just decided you liked one better than the other? I am extremely attracted to women and not at all to men. So there’s no choice. Are you that way too? And if so, is it really so hard to believe that in our mass gene pool some folks get it the other way around?
This may not be fair of me to say; but I’m tired of the Chicagoan posse who surround and bubblize the president. Hacks. And I’d like any such quasi-progressives and “centrists” to get the hell out of D.C.
Jarrett is in a patronage job. Patronage jobs are usually positions that don’t have important functions that have big salaries.
It’s just a shame for the LGBT community that being the White House representative for them not something the President considers important, and instead considers the sort of job that is for his cousin or his aunt. Valerie Jarrett didn’t know that “lifestyle choice” was a term of the anti-gay rights movement. (She might still be unaware that “special rights” is another anti-gay dog whistle.)
One can only hope that enough of a stink is made so that she will have to hire a LGB or T assistant to explain things to her. It won’t actually change any policies or laws, but at least there will be someone LGBT who scored a sweet patronage job. In Chicago politics, that’s what stands in for equality.