President Obama has, for some reason, taken time off from his busy schedule to berate his own supporters for “taking their ball and going home.” What is a far more productive thing that Obama could have done with those ten minutes? He could have used his power as Commander in Chief to suspend discharges related to “don’t ask, don’t tell,” effectively ending a horribly discriminatory practice with the stroke of a pen.
Three benefits would pretty much instantly accrue from this much better use of Obama’s time: One, he could reclaim the moral high ground on this issue because ending DADT is clearly the right and moral thing to do. Two, it would save the government the cost of training replacements for all the perfectly capable servicemen and servicewomen unnecessarily fired. And three, it would actually help excite the Democratic base–at least it would do a better job at that than calling the regular Americans who volunteered for Obama’s ‘08 campaign unserious because they are unhappy with broken promises, secret deals with corporate lobbyists, and 9.5 percent unemployment.
I was more willing than many to give Obama the benefit of the doubt when he held off suspending DADT as he tried to work with Republicans to do it the “right way” through legislation. Well, as I should have expected, that attempt at bipartisan outreach failed miserably, and Senate Republicans chose to simply obstruct. That makes now the perfect time for Obama to exercise his power and suspend DADT discharges as promised. The American people support it, the base would be excited by it, and it would be a way to draw attention the radical, underhanded nature of the Republican Party.
Sadly, instead of being able to commend President Obama for swiftly suspending DADT, it seems I need to explain to Obama what being Commander in Chief actually means. From the Rolling Stone interview:
On social issues, something like “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Here, I’ve got the Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff both committed to changing the policy. That’s a big deal.
No, Mr. President, in no way is this a big deal. We have civilian control of the military. They work for you. You don’t need to convince them to get on board, you simply order them to get on board. This is like the manager of a McDonald’s bragging that he convinced his employees to be “committed” to making burgers. You are the boss, they are under you command, now act like it.
Dear President Obama: right now, this very moment, is the perfect time to spend 10 minutes penning an order to effectively end the injustice known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.”



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Good piece Jon, but, of course here you are preaching to the choir!
But here is why we have a huge problem: From another note: “”Our ‘Dem’ is a DINO! That is why we are upset with him!: .”I have long ago believed that President Obama, aka, Barry Dunham, originally from Kansas and not Kenya…..is a man who IS a conservative Democrat…..DINO…..Blue Dog if he is a “Democrat”. This man retained a GOP SECDEF..He puts another conservative Democrat in the DOJ. Hell, look what he did when he was at Justice in a lower but significant rank with Clinton.He does not really want a Democratic Congress. He wants GOP, gridlock and witchhunts into his administration.
To be the victor in 2012, Barry KNOWS that he must be a victim in 2010. We must defeat his deceptive strategy and elect the 47 Dems in the House and the 10 Dems in the Senate, that Obama wants to give the GOP to forever silence the liberals.Having discouraged and Sister Solja’ed the liberals, he creates a new base of moderate to conservative Democrats, Republicans and Independents.Why he thinks it will work is Clinton Redux. He forgets however, the old JFK canard that Republicans are like circus elephants under the big tent…trunk to tail to trunk….and the Iron Maidens from Maine always prove it……when it is crunch time, Snowe and Collins always vote GOP.RINOS DO NOT BETRAY THE LEADERSHIP, DINOS DO NOT BETRAY THE LEADERSHIP…..THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP.”"
It’s “civilian commander syndrome”.
He and Bill Clinton are considered by Official Washington and its punditti to be unqualified to order around brass because both got student deferments, and so never served. (Yes, yes, neither did Dick Cheney, but of course the rules are different for Republicans.)
Well, he’s right about us taking our ball and going home. That’s what happens when we find out the coach of our team is more interested in sustaining the status quo that has resulted in the other team’s winning, over and over again, than he is in taking advantage of the great lineup, the nice playing field, and the top-end locker rooms that we gave him, 23 months ago.
He’s basically sucked at offense; let’s see how good he is at playing defense for two long, long, years…and while that is going on, we need to be looking for a new coach.
Obama is:
Pro Rick Warren Saddleback. Donnie McClurkin, Faith-Based Intiatives, Charter Schools, NCLB, DOMA, Anti-Reproductive rights, Anti-Marijuana, Pro War, Pro Drug War, Anti-Immigrant, Pro survelliance security state, Pro-Blackwater, Pro Black ops, Pro Guantanamo, Pro Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln. Pro AIPAC, PRo PHRMA, Pro AHIP…
Why would Obama offend his puppeteers by doing the right thing at this point?
Check this out, I’m not even sure if it is off topic,
ACLU Sues for Information on American Indian Women Pressured to Induce Labor
http://censored-news.blogspot.com/2010/09/aclu-sues-for-information-on-american.html
This kind of stuff just totally pisses me off:
I consider that torture.
“…you simply order them to get on board…”
Not this president. That would risk having the republicans speak harshly of him and call him a socialist-communist-nazi (occasionally, all in the same rant…)
and it would aggravate those powerful minus-18 seat minorities and minus-77 seat minorities, in the Senate and House.
It would also be risking political capital, and Mr. Centrist, with his FDR-like wizardy, understands with perfect clarity that hoarding political capital makes it more valuable for the next election; you just put it waaay back in the Oval Office broom closet; take it out and privately fondle it once a month; and watch it grow!
Antiwar.com raised an interesting point on DADT. Why would a group of people who are hated & feared by a large part of the military and the country as a whole, want to join that military & go out & kill for that country.
sadly, he also needs to be taught what a president voted by democrats actually means
could you explain that to him while you’re at it?
thank you in advance
If he won’t do it now, it’s not happening.
There aren’t many viable career opportunities for young people in America today.
In general, the Military or Prison are two viable career choices for average non college bound students in Republican America.
What made them join in the 90s, when the unemployment rate was 4%?
If Obama were to suspend DADT, that wouldn’t help his friends Blanche Lincol and Mark Pryor who (whom?) he let vote against the repeal in the senate. It would make them look bad. Why, it might even hurt Blanche in her effort tp get re-elected.
was a good job with great benefits, free higher education and practical training you could not get anywhere else, and little to no risk of getting killed
now it’s obvious we have degraded into a warring nation
at least W knew political capital was like fresh fruit. You had to eat it soon because it will go bad.
yeah… sadly… good and accurate list.
I doubt Obama actually is sufficiently unconflicted to address gay civil rights in any meaningful way.
Taking the ball and going home? Where do they get that nonsense? Not this boy. Two synonyms for the word “ball” are spelled m.o.n.e.y. and v.o.t.e.
I’m taking those and looking for another candidate &/or party.
Obama only acts like commander in chief when his corporate puppetmasters tell him to. Thus pushing his phony healthcare law; lambasting us, the retarded fucking liberals; or even as he was campaigning for POTUS when he was cheerleading the bankster bailouts!
What about gays who got accepted to military academies? Surely they have had great other choices?
great frigging list, allow me;
pro torture, anti prosecute criminals for war crimes, pro war crimes
pro giving the thieves who destroyed this economy more assets and power to continue their maniacal plans for our economic future, pro fire people in government when we are shedding jobs by the millions…etc
I hope others contribute as well
people who wanted to go into a military academy were raised to want that ecahn, they are neither intellectually, emotionally, politically studied, mature enough to understand the implications
He could have used his power as Commander in Chief to suspend discharges related to “don’t ask, don’t tell,” effectively ending a horribly discriminatory practice with the stroke of a pen.
Right and if he wanted to be a wimp about it, he could quietly order the Justice Department to settle the Log Cabin Republicans lawsuit with a consent decree, which, upon court approval becomes a court order. He could publicly blame Eric Holder, the out of control judiciary and the liberal media if he wanted, the Pentagon would still be bound by the court order.
Wait — Obama is too young to have been in any system where a student deferment was an issue.
Great post, Jon, a stop-loss is exactly what the political science doctor ordered. It will show his command of this recalcitrant military brass while simultaneously opening up the “Don’tAskDon’tGive” gAyTM that’s been closed for money and volunteering since Fierce Advocate became a little less fierce.
Nothing wrong with a real push to pass iENDA and repeal DOMA at the same time, too.
Hugh’s list.
Jeebus that’s a depressing list when you put it out there all together….
That is a pretty condescending evaluation.
Torjan Horse. Manchurian candidate. Kabuki show. Corporatist hack.
Yes, I’m taking my money & my vote and heading elsewhere. LOOOOO-ZER! L!!
From today’s New York Times:
I wonder if Obama is going to call George Soros a “whiner”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/us/politics/30dems.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper
I know people who went into a military academy echan, I would have gladly attended if my dad has that in mind for me, because of my dad I grew up quite the hawk, pro viet nam and everything
at that age most of us are too young to understand the implications our decisions will make, especially when a military family is drilling their opinion into your life as you grow from boy/girl to man/women
No kidding. Any Democratic voter who still thinks Obama’s “doing an ok job under the circumstances” is willfully in denial. This is pretty basic; it’s not hidden away.
I recall academy-bound high school classmates and, sadly, it seems pretty accurate to me. These are likely to be children who’ve been quite deliberately programmed to want this.
It is morally tough for me to honestly claim Obama would continue to be the best commander in chief when he tries to pretend he is not.
All I got to say is that if I were the boss my employees better get the hell on board with what I want.
OK. I’ll take your & perris’s word for it. My brother wanted to go, and probably had a good shot at it, but they discovered he had a heart murmur from childhood scarlet fever & at least in those days, that was the end of the story. He was not programmed to go by our parents, but has always been, and remains pretty conservative. He is not gay, though, which would through another important variable into the mix.
well put!
Wait — Obama is too young to have been in any system where a student deferment was an issue.
Right, he registered for Selective Service when he turned 18, but no one’s been drafted since Nixon ended military conscription. I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing, there’s no way in hell we’d still be in Afghanistan if every young man (and their loved ones) had to sweat out the draft lottery.
Instead of sending active duty and reserve soldiers to repeated year-long combat tours, a country our size has a more than enough draft-age men to send over for a single combat tour, but it’d be a much harder sell to the public, which is how it should be. If a war’s not worth drafting for, its not worth fighting for.
Jon; that’s it.
Just like a muscle. Don’t use it and it atrophies. Or gets eaten by the opposition.
Hard to blame the repubs for eating it, when Obama laid out his political clout for them to gnosh on like it was a buffet for the (temporarily, it sadly turns out…) politically homeless.
Wait a second, there’s nothing wrong with any American, straight or gay, who wants to serve our country in the military. In fact, that’s kind of the point of ending DADT.
Suspend DADT ?that would take “gumption” & the Prez doesn’t possess that.
And for all his lackeys in the media(Maddow & Olberman ) who keep trying to force feed us the ‘cow-shit” that Obama is equivalent to LBJ……you really think Obama could have been Prez today if LBJ was as spineless as Obama is,or more specifically, we would not have been so far along in terms of race relations.
nor do I think there’s anything wrong with it, echan was asking about boys and girls in a military academy who are gay, that’s what the discussion was about
There’s another type that might go…
Those who believe in the idea of the USA enough to be willing to offer the potential sacrifice of military service. Some of us love the USA that much, even if she doesn’t love us back and doesn’t need (or at least THINKS she doesn’t need) us and our skills.
What “war” that America starts as a “convenience” or as an oil “adventure” is ever worth dying for, beowulf?
Tell ya what, if only people over the age fifty could be drafted, I might think reinstating the draft would be a good idea(should young women be drafted, as well a young men, in the “draft” you would embrace?).
DW
There’s two different things going on, 1. Since World War II, the President has single-handly controlled (perhaps unavoidably) an absurd amount of military power. 2. Until Bill Clinton, every President after FDR had been a military officer. Truman was a WWI artillery officer, Eisenhower was, err, Eisenhower, then Kennedy through Bush I were junior Navy officers excepting Reagan whom like Bush II, was sort of in the Air Force (US Army Air Forces and Texas Air National Guard, respectively).
The odd ducks are Clinton and Obama, who never saw service, active duty or reserve. Their problem wasn’t a lack of military experience, its that whether out of self-consciousness or political calculation, they respect the military brass too much.
OK, I take your point. Sorry for misinterpreting your comment.
I agree. There are many Christian extremists in the military that believe they’re on some kind of mission from God to kill Muslims. So if they think of Muslims as enemies of God, they probably also think of gays as enemies of God. And so if gays are allowed in the military, then expect many of them to be killed by friendly fire or become victims of joy killings.
Having done three and a half years in the Army infantry, it was my impression that sexual orientation was nowhere near the big deal that it was presented as publicly. In terms of race or ethnicity, the Army had a philosophy of, “We’re all green.” This perspective could easily be extended to sexual orientation. The argument that homosexuals in the ranks will negatively impact unit cohesion, fighting capabilities, etc. is nonsense. Barring homosexuals from military service is discriminatory and inefficient. The only utility of this whole issue seems to be as a political football or strawman.
“With Friends Like These….”
http://www.dranespout.com/2010/09/with-friends-like-this.html
What “war” that America starts as a “convenience” or as an oil “adventure” is ever worth dying for.
None of them, that’s kind of my point. When wars are fought by volunteers (and funded by deficit spending), its too easy for Congress to go along for the ride.
should young women be drafted, as well a young men, in the “draft” you would embrace
I could teach it round or flat but as a practical matter, it would be difficult to draft women because of the pregnancy issue. The Army doesn’t allow pregnant women to go through basic training. The stress of long marches, going without food or sleep, loud concussive sounds and exposure to tear gas aren’t the ideal environment for fetal health.
So either women are exempt from the draft (but could continue to volunteer for service, as they do now) or you’ve just created the world’s biggest loophole. Show up for your draft physical with child and you won’t have to serve and you can’t be punished (no politician, whatever their views of abortion, would ever support a federal law that punished a woman for carrying a child to term).
He is not conflicted, he is a homophobe. He does not believe gays to be equal either in their relationships or in what passes for normal life.
They were convenient to pander to when he needed their votes, but if a document arrived on his desk that he could sign to make same-sex marriages offically recognized country-wide immediately, do you really think he would do it? Or would he find a way to put it off “for later”?
I think his treatment of gays has a LOT to do with his low popularity. America has become more accepting of LGBT in general and is now recognizing that discriminating against people on the basis of their sexual orientation is just as bad as doing it based on colour or religion.
Americans voted for him in part BECAUSE he promised to end the “officially sanctioned” discrimination.
Gays have a LOT of straight friends. Never forget that. We are ON SIDE.
(edit: the last is for nobody in particular, so nobody needs to respond and say “but I’m not gay — not that there’s anything wrong with that!”)
Man what is up with formatting when you edit everything just ends up all munged together.
Now, now. The 49ers already sacked Jimmy Raye, and Alex Smith likes his new offensive coordinator… Oh, wait…
I’ve wondered what makes ANYBODY inclined to join. Power trip? Insecurity? No money for college? No alternative works corps for those who are inclined to do physical/manual but interesting work?
I can’t begin to imagine the pressures on someone raised in a society, much less the family, who is abhorred by one’s very existence. yikes. Lots of room for therapy – for our whole nation.
Yes, these are the sociopaths which send shivers to the bone.
Gays serve in the military already! This is about whether they serve openly or not. Your point is moot.
Word on the street says he’s going to repeal DADT as soon as he strong arms Congress into passing EFCA, when he restores the rule of law and when the last soldier leaves Afghanistan. Patience, 70% of the “liberal” agenda has been passed in Obama’s first 18 months the likes of which haven’t been seen since LBJ.
makes me wonder if He’s crossed DADT on his checklist yet.
Think the Joints will come to a favorable conclusion in December, and it’ll all be over? It’d be good to get this DOD non-compliance with anti-discrimination laws issue done with. They shouldn’t have funding until they comply imvho.
What deferment? Being born too late? Obama’s younger than I am, and I was about three years too young to have been drafted during the Vietnam War.
Some states would still be practically disenfranchising African Americans, and mixed race couples would be very rare in the South.
If the Chiefs come to a favorable conclusion, I will be surprised to say the least. Because the military has been infected by Christian fundamentalism (especially the Air Force) something tells me that “unit cohesion and morale” will be the rationale they use against repealing DADT.
Now assuming they do the right thing and find in favor of repeal, I will wild-ass guess that the report ends up being challenged as inaccurate and flawed and eventually dropped in the memory hole.
President 70% will then appoint another commission to study the reports results and say he’s done all he could.
Obama shrinks from saying “buck up and stop whining” to those over whom he has actual command authority but relishes saying it to progressives, whom he only imagines he commands.
Oh Blah Blah:
“I’ve got the Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff both committed to changing the policy. That’s a big deal.”
Hear that? Don’t tell. Just deal.
A republican house and/or senate is the only chance we have to prevent a reduction in Social Security. We know the fix is already in if we have a democratic congress. But, if the republican gain control, they will go too far in their cuts and obama will (hopefully) have to veto it.
Except the vote on the Sovereign Default Commission recommendations is supposed to be after the election, during a lame duck session, that is, prior to a new House or Senate being seated in January.
So it will be a done deal if/when a new R majority takes over in either chamber.
Wait a minute, Obama was born in 1961. He would have been 12 years old when U.S. troops were withdrawn from Vietnam in 1973, and only 14 when Saigon fell in 1975. How could he have had a student deferment from the draft? Clinton’s story, of course, is pretty murky.
Hey FDLers welcome to the tea party. We in the gay libertarian wing will especially greet you with open arms (well, the cute singles amongst you anyway). We are more than happy for you to call for reducing taxes and deficits by calling for ending the drug war, the waste of money policing military service people’s sex lives, and the cost of American military bases around the globe. We serve our tea in a big cup. Take a big swig.
Oh and be sure and invite that Maddow boy. He’s kinda cute after hair and makeup gets through with him. Is he over 17 though? Is their word on that?
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