Privately, the closed wallets of Democratic billionaires like George Soros and Peter Lewis is all that the poobahs of the DC fundraising world have been talking about for weeks. But now it’s hit the New York Times:
Many wealthy Democratic patrons, who in the past have played major roles financing outside groups to help elect the party’s candidates, are largely sitting out these crucial midterm elections.
Democratic donors like George Soros, the bête noire of the right, and his fellow billionaire Peter B. Lewis, who each gave more than $20 million to Democratic-oriented groups in the 2004 election, appear to be holding back so far.
“Mr. Soros believes that he can be most effective by funding groups that promote progressive policy outcomes in areas such as health care, the environment and foreign policy,” said an adviser, Michael Vachon. “So he has opted to fund those activities.”
I personally can’t wait till the White House press office releases Obama’s speech to millionaires in Greenwich calling Soros and Lewis “ungrateful whiners.”
The donors’ reluctance stems from a variety of factors, including pessimism about the party’s prospects in November, but also President Obama’s strong condemnations of this kind of independent activity, both during the 2008 campaign and after he was elected.
For those who would like a translation of this rather cryptic passage, it refers to the fact that after Obama got the party nomination in 2008, the campaign’s deputy national campaign director, Steve Hildebrand, put the word out that big donors should not fund independent expenditure operations. In part because they felt that Progressive Media, the largest of them, was staffed with too many people who had been Clinton supporters. But they also wanted to control all the money through the campaign directly. In August 2008, Hildebrand reversed himself, saying it was okay to donate to 527s, after the campaign started getting hammered by GOP independent expenditures. Obama campaign insiders later said that calling the big donors and telling them not to fund the IE’s was the “biggest mistake” they made.
Somewhere, Tom Mattzzie is laughing uncontrollably.
For Mr. Soros, who was also a big donor in 2006 and 2008, it is a matter of being more focused on pushing to get the policy outcomes he wants than on the electoral process, Mr. Vachon said.
Two of George Soros’s biggest issues are torture and weed. He’s been called “the Daddy Warbucks of drug legalization,” and shortly after Obama took office his Open Society Institute started pushing for a commission to investigate America’s use of torture since 9/11. Obama and Harry Reid poured cold water on the idea of a torture commission, and the administration “firmly opposes marijuana legalization.”
The attention of Mr. Lewis, chairman of Progressive Insurance, also appears to be elsewhere this year. Jennifer Frutchy, who advises Mr. Lewis on his philanthropy, said he was focused at the moment on “building progressive infrastructure and marijuana reform.”
“That’s just where his head is right now,” Ms. Frutchy said.
Two billionaires — and the majority of those under age 29 — enthusiastically support marijuana legalization. Maybe appointing former Clinton policy adviser Rahm Emanuel to be Chief of Staff, the guy who threatened doctors with jail time for prescribing marijuana to their patients, was not the swiftest move.
For donors, there is certainly an element of fatigue from giving cycle after cycle, as well as an economic squeeze brought on by the recession, the operatives said. But some more ideological donors are also upset that the Obama administration has not been more aggressive in pushing a liberal agenda.
Translation: Gay men, pro-choice women and environmentalists are probably the three biggest issue-based donor groups for the Democratic Party, and all three are absolutely ripshit at the way the Democrats have squandered their majorities. They’re also furious at the veal pen outfits that collaborated with the Democrats and gave them cover for their actions and have cut them off, too. Guess that weekly invite to the Common Purpose meeting turned out not to be such a hot ticket after all.
Labor unions are still promising to spend large sums of money backing Democrats. But they are not keeping up at this point with the flood of money going to Republican-leaning organizations.
So, let’s see if I have this straight. After the unions put hundreds of millions into getting Obama elected, and they get played on EFCA, the Democrats lay the blame off on ConservaDem Senators like Blanche Lincoln. So the unions spend $10 million trying to send a message to Lincoln, working within the Democratic party to support a primary opponent.
When Lincoln wins, “senior White House officials” are instantly calling journalists to taunt the unions as “absolute idiots” who “just flushed $10 million of their members’ money down the toilet on a pointless exercise.” Which creates huge problems for unions at the local level when it comes to putting money into political races in the future because members are always dubious about such outlays to begin with.
Then Robert Menendez, head of the DSCC, sends out a memo cheering Lincoln’s victory over “special interests in Washington” — the unions. Chuck Schumer goes on to the floor of the Senate and applauds Lincoln for “fighting Wall Street with one hand, and unions with the other.” Nonetheless, Menendez says he expects labor’s “support, you know, financially” in “all of our races across the country.”
The Democrats could have passed legislation that would have doubled union membership by now. They didn’t.
What could possibly have gone wrong with this scenario? I have no idea.
Big donors from Wall Street, including hedge fund executives and investment bankers, are also angry at the administration.
Sucking up to our Wall Street overlords while dog whistling to your base is not as easy as the GOP makes it look.
It also appears, however, that Republicans have outmaneuvered their Democratic counterparts since the Citizens United decision. They have taken advantage of Democratic broadsides against the ruling, which have inevitably had an effect on the attitudes of Democratic donors.
Mr. Obama devoted one of his weekly radio addresses this month to the effect he said untamed special interests were having on the midterm election. “We can see for ourselves how destructive to our democracy this can become,” he said. “We see it in the flood of deceptive attack ads sponsored by special interests using front groups with misleading names.”
Several Democratic strategists said the White House’s denunciations had made entreaties to prospective donors trickier.
So, the President is out there saying that the post-Citizens United IE’s are “politics at its worst,” and that the decision “gave special interests the power to spend without limit — and without public disclosure — to run ads in order to influence elections.” Why wouldn’t big Democratic donors want to jump right in and have that thrown at them? I dunno. You tell me.
Belatedly, some additional Democratic third-party efforts are shaping up. An organization called Commonsense Ten is emerging as a conduit for large checks directed toward Senate races and recently went up on the air with television advertisements in Missouri and Washington State.
“Belatedly.” Yeah, because nobody could’ve seen this coming.
Over all, though, the group is talking about spending, along with its partner organizations, about $5 million, with commitments from donors so far for about half of that.
In contrast, American Crossroads and its affiliate, Crossroads GPS, the biggest Republican-oriented group involved in Senate races, has said it is well on its way to raising $50 million for this election.
What if someone had had the foresight to anticipate the impact of the highly unpopular Citizens United decision, and used their party’s majorities in Congress to pass legislation that would have made it difficult for big corporations to hide political money in the Chamber of Commerce or Karl Rove’s $50 million independent expenditure operation without disclosure? What if there was a party that had gone to the mat trying to control corporate influence over politics rather than trying to exploit it, and given themselves at the very least a solid campaign issue for 2010?
The bigger problem for the Democrats, however, is not that Lewis and Soros are sitting it out — it’s that Lewis and Soros are considered “lead donors.” Where they go, other donors follow. If they decide to sit it out, so will others.
The complaints that Soros and Lewis have are the same ones expressed by all those hippies that Robert Gibbs, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have been punching. It’s a malaise felt by the entire progressive base, who can’t be spurred into action by being told to “buck up.”
I’ll tell you one thing, though. As pissed off as people are, it’s going to be nothing compared to the rage that will be unleashed if the Catfood Commission’s recommendations to cut Social Security benefits gets passed — and Alice Rivlin says the “stars are aligned” for it to happen. They could snap the spine of the Democratic party completely with that one.




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For some reason, I’m liking your posts more and more. :-) The headline of this one restoreth my faith in something, anyway.
Great posts, Jane, this one and yesterday’s (which I didn’t get to until this am.)
To me this all begs the question: is there a politician on the left that can move into this vacuum and challenge Obama for 2012? To which I answer: “Howard.”
Which begs the question: is Dean willing to challenge a sitting president? Winning would be a long shot, but pulling the WH left to finally force them to fight for progressive causes with gloves off to stave off losing the nomination would be quite achievable for an articulate challenger.
Interesting piece Jane. I think Fire Dog Lake started something when they started pushing issues over the democratic party. Also Moveove.org has seemed pretty quiet during the midterms, maybe I have just missed it. Usually they have been pretty supportive of democrats. They even stayed silent on the war at the request of the Obama administration. Has MoveOn become dissillusioned as well?
The Perfect Shit Storm – Jane Hamsher
Hamsher continues to mesmerize fans of the political whodunit with her masterfully told tale depicting what happens when clusterfuck encounters hubris . . . you’ll laugh, you’ll
cryjust continue laughingdead solid perfect, gal
p.s. Jane – so was one of the aims of the Greenwich bullshit to keep the other Sugar Daddies and Sugar Mamas in the fold – eg – ya don’t wanna be uncool, do ya ?
Thank you, Mr. Soros and Mr. Lewis! What a great action committee! And thanks to Jane, as always! So who are the Progressive wealthy who have a penchant for legislating? Action, intelligent legislation, and social issues. I read Bill Gates is involved with education. What about energy?
We could not have done it without community support. If there wasn’t a large, committed group of people willing to stick to their principles, there’s not much any one person (or even handful of people) can do.
Big props to this community. We’ve all weathered the storm together.
Snide, deliberately-missing-the-point response posts from O-pologists attacking Jane, Glenn, et al in 5-4-3-2-1…
Big props to you too Jane. You really speak to our principles. You have really nailed it the last few weeks.
I’d love to hear you on Mike Malloy. In fact I think I’m gonna bug him to interview you.
she was killin’ me with ‘em on HCR/60 Votes on twitter the other night – clueless fucks had no idea how lucky they were she was only toying with ‘em. maybe John Cole will drop by sporting his Mark of Jain
It’s long been known that these Professional Donors are fucking retards.
They haven’t clued into the fact that everyone heading for the exit door is trying to get away from them.
Yep, Thank you ungrateful billionaires. This gives me a little smile, thanks Jane
“Maybe appointing former Clinton Drug Czar Rahm Emanuel to be Chief of Staff, the guy who threatened doctors with jail time for prescribing marijuana to their patients, was not the swiftest move.”
Are you sure that emanuel was a drug czar, Jane? I’ve read a lot about emanuel and I’ve never heard that he was clinton’s drug czar before.
Z
like I keep saying, progressive values are not “fringe” and we are not “just” “the base”
we are not only the majority of the democratic party, but as media matters documents, progressive values happen to be what the majority of americans believe (link coming)
it bothers me a little bit when even progressive spokes people call us “the base”, it’s a pejorative, it associates us with the right wing “base” who are not center, not right but extreme
link on my next post
here’s the link
progressive values are main steam not fringe, not “far left” not even a little left, they are center
Just when I thought I couldn’t get anymore disgusted with President 70%…
It’s looking more and more obvious that Obamco is all about showing the Hippies the door. His version of the Democratic Party is the refuge of last resort for socially moderate (as long as they aren’t inconvenienced, of course) Rockefeller Republicans who believe in the neo-liberal, Capitalism Is Great! ideology that has made America what it is since Reagan – taking one step closer to Third World status every day.
It is an inspired headline indeed. Much-needed in these dark times. :)
As Jane says:
The sound of that spine snapping is “Dump Obama!”
This is not the same old argument between party sycophants and progressives. The outrage level is unprecedented since, oh, 1967.
The crisis is even greater. The progressive response has to be greater. Right now, I see two courses: (1) draw a line in the sand over the catfood commission, and draw line in the sand over extending tax cuts for the rich, and if Obama crosses either, Dump Obama. (2) take the moves Obama has ALREADY made to lock in place the police state as crossing a red line, and take up the cry to Dump Obama immediately.
When Bush was in office, our opposition was more effective, because the Democratic Party hacks could opportunize off our energy to get a Senate majority and Obama in the White House. We got disarmed, and the result was a major defeat in the healthcare fight, and a failure to wage any fight at all for a serious jobs program.
The question isn’t who is more evil, Sarah Palin or Barack Obama. The question is what are we willing to fight for.
I fancied obama an intelligent man when he was running, now it seems like he is a moron, the more he leans to the right and fails the more he goes to the right, like a fly going back into the fire because it’s wing got burned the first time
Geez, dya suppose their first meeting after the convention, the first topic on the PP slide, was: How can we piss off the most people in the shortest amount of time?
The issue isn’t his intelligence, it’s who he’s representing.
So Obama insults the Left despite the fact we champion the issues America thinks are the most important. Obama also is disappointing big Dem donors to give favors to corporate types like big pharma who then stab him in the back?
Our old theory was Obama was selling us out for money? Just what is the new theory to explain his actions?
Even the tin foil hat crowd is going to have a hard time explaining this.
“They could snap the spine of the Democratic party completely with that one.”
I think that is what emanuel has always wanted to do … or make the party almost completely indistinguishable from the republican party sans a few pet issues that they’ll never actually act upon to resolve, effectively veal penning them. And obama is right on board with destroying the party as well, or at least what it purports to stand for; his and his cabinet’s words and actions tell us that.
obama is far from the congenitally well-intentioned person … a daffy harvard law school graduate that keeps getting duped into pro-corporate policies that just happen to align with the best interests of his biggest corporate donors … that too many people still shove their heads up their party’s ass to see him as. He’s evil. And it’s far past time for a lot of us to come to that realization.
Z
but the man wants to be re-elected, republicans won’t vote for him even though he acts like a republican, if wants to keep this seat in power he needs to at least look like he’s a progressive
the back room drug deal did it for me once he was in office but worse then that was before he was in office when he had the democrats vote for bush’s tarp program, a program we all knew was nothing but a gift for the criminals that brought our economy to it’s knees
that was the first sign we were electing a trojan horse
we had that sign before we sent him to the white house…nothing we could do, the alternative was a palin president because I doubt mccain’s health would have *cough* “survived” if he was elected president
we might have been better off with mccain, no way on the planet we would have allowed that tarp program or this health program with our majority if it was mccain or palin proposing that corporate swill
It’s all of the above. Even the corps he protected, like Wall St., are abandoning him. Seems like his def of postpartisanship, keeping donors in line with special favors while fooling just enough low info voters, is failing with both groups.
Soros may have lots of money, but he is far from pro-establishment. obama is though.
Z
You’ll recall, I had my own personal sign before the convention.
When even the billionaires are ingrates, you know the times are getting tough…
Good summing up of the situation, Jane. As someone observed earlier today, they couldn’t punch those donors, so they punched the hippies instead. I don’t think those rich folks take kindly to being called stupid, even if only by analogy.
I do recall you were warning us about his corporate history ecahn, you were the first person to sound the alarm
I would not have given obama the criticism I did for that tarp crap if I had not you’re insight to prime my spidey sense
Is it any wonder why Tarzan loved Jane????
Who, other than the 20% republican druids,wouldn’t.
Thanks Jane for me it’s an assault that is very personal.
My brother, who is on permanent disability in WV, had storm troopers, without a warrant , search his house to uncover 24 6/8″ plants,
They want him to plead to FELONY manufacturer w attendant loss of SS disability.
When they held him the first night they withheld his heart medication until he had an angina attack, a federal felony. Then they moved him to a bed in a hospital for three days. Chained him to his bed and placed an armed guard outside his room. Like a guy with 20 % heart function is going to spring from bed and go sow some pot seeds.
Because he’s poor they appointed a public defender who presented the state’s offer FELONY ,no prison, three years probation. There was no bargaining.
If he dies from a heart attack over marijuana it will be because of the insane police action for less than one oz. No previous record, no sales and he is unable to process pain medication because of stomach problems. He grew his own will be on his stone !
Soros and Lewis not supporting democrats is somehow a victory for you is it Jane?
That’s still my theory, it’s just that he overlooked the obvious. The obvious, in this case, is that once Wall Street got what they needed out of Democrats, there was no reason to keep giving them money.
They, like many of us, have realized their energy, time and money is better spent on liberal and progressive candidates and causes, and not the democratic party as a whole.
Thank you, Jane and Firedoglake. A place liberals and progressives can call home.
As I mentioned on another thread, I doubt that “the stars are [really] aligned” for the Catfood Commission.
We’re expecting another Mercury retrograde to hit in December… that’s the time when communications go awry and computer glitches happen and all kinds of unforeseen things happen. (Be careful with your wallets and credit cards and back up your computers.)
Not only that, but both before and after the 3-week retrograde phase, there are shadow periods, where Mercury crosses both the spot it retrogrades to, and the spot it retrogrades from. So figure that from the third week of November until after the middle of January… those stars will not really be aligned. We’re looking at about a 5-week period…
And, often things that do happen during such a phase, have to be done over again.
one wonders why wall street is abandoning him, the bankers should be first on board getting him re-elected
one also wonders why the health care insurancesters fought a bill that was clearly in their best interest
would like to hear your insight on both of those
You left out he supported immunity for the telecomms, right after the election. That was the first signal that something was going to be rotten in Denmark.
it’s a victory for getting obama out of office, possibly keeping him from running for a second term so we can run a democrat instead of a republican calling himself a democrat
ohhh…yea, forgot that
they ain’t Democrats Larry…just con artists.
Well, they did force an election among their members between Obama and Hillary, something for which I unsubscribed from all of their mailings.
I was thinking along the same lines, but in more general terms. The large corps will always go for the Rs in the end becuz the Ds have to pretend to do something for the voters, and the Rs don’t. So Clinton’s Third Way is doomed to failure for the Ds, and in the process of trying it, the Ds have lost the voters too.
See my 43, and let me know what you think. I’m still working on it.
that was the first signal I remember
No. His values are not progressive enough.
He pulled unconstitutional bull shit on the location of the mosque. He is forever disqualified, IMO.
Great analysis here, Jane. You’ve been killing it lately.
Sucking up to our Wall Street overlords while dog whistling to your base is not as easy as the GOP makes it look.
Ya know, maybe we should just give up on this Federal Government kabuki farce and let the billionaires slug it out. Our corporate overlords have won every issue since the late 80s, in any event.
Amen.
Oh, and BTW, perris, I’ve been tuning into cnbc in the morning. All he did for them, phffff. They hate him. Becuz he had to do a little stuff to pretend not to PO the voters, like finreg, even though everyone on cnbc, anchors & guests alike, said that financial corps would figure out a way around it. It seems like you just can’t square that circle.
Well! I was wrong.
Though in favor of legalizing marijuana, I have seen it as a marginally important issue. It is clear now it is among the top 4-5 issues for traditional Democratic supporters, especially of the billionaire class.
Thanks for this post and directing our attention to the NYT report. I am beginning to hope the true liberals and progressives are getting something going.
I admit to being mystified by the unions continuing to hold on. The Obama administration has treated them as badly as they have the LGBT communities.
FISA, before the election, before even the nomination.
The way I look at it is slightly different – what the “new” Democrats (DLC, et. al.) were trying to do was keep collecting Wall Street money for screwing their base. At some point, that was going to be a strategy failure, because they were simultaneously weakening their base and becoming dependent on a resource that could quite readily be given to another party. Union backing, for instance, would be less portable, because members used to working for Democrats for years would suddenly be rather suspicious about working for Republicans, instead (not that this will happen, but as a for instance).
So, yes, the New Democrats trapped themselves, and now they’re paying for it. They’re just taking the rest of the party along for the ride.
Special Book Salon up with Ryan Grim’s This Is Your Country on Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America hosted by Scott Morgan
after the FISA and telecom Immunity filibuster that wasn’t…I remember saying to myself “i HOPE i can trust him”…gave him the benefit of a doubt on Stimulus and the bailout because I thought his hands were tied, the Banksters were willing to pull the trigger and blow up the world economy if they weren’t placated. Final straw was the HCR Kabuki when he let the teabaggers take over the debate, and the sellout of the bill itself.
No Obama “hope” for me…it is now a four letter word.
That was a critical juncture for me. If he, a constitutional scholar, didn’t stand against retroactive immunity, something that he said he was against, then what would he stand for? Certainly not the rule of law or his word. That’s when hope left the station for me.
Z
it seems to me, when you make a “back door deal” all the parties understand you have to show a good face tso the people you are stabbing in the back
what I believe now, figured this out as I type, the wallstreeters and banksters and health insurancesters all thought the democrats would keep their majority
now they see, not only will they probably lose their majority, the republicans get their way even with the democratic majority
therefore, no reason on the planet to honor any back door deal with the big 0
The stunt Clinton pulled worked one time. Attempting the stunt again is, as you suggest, a recipe for failure. The divide between big business and middle/working class America is the same as it was in 1932. Obama had the same mandate FDR had in ’32. He could have hit the ground running as FDR did and become a great President. His failing to do so may be one the greatest tragedies in U.S. history.
“This is not the same old argument between party sycophants and progressives. The outrage level is unprecedented since, oh, 1967.”
I agree completely!
Jane, thank you for this article – you lightened up my day!
I think we’re pretty much saying the same thing.
You hit that right on the head with that statement Jane!!!!!!!
If SS gets gutted as the Republicans have been trying to do since it was passed generations ago, there Will be consequences that no one can foresee and possibly violence when the public finds out that Their money is going to Wall Street instead of towards their retirement. Oh and that guarantee you thought you had for retirement really is that you will be poor! And no Medicare either!!
There is an astrological explanation for Obama.
He is a Leo, and it’s nearly always about the Leo. (Remember Clinton?) Also, Leos do not take criticism well. It’s a fire sign and is ruled by the Sun and it’s the sign of the Lion (the king) and they expect to be properly appreciated, not criticized.
In fact, if they don’t feel properly appreciated, you’ll see the results in the behavior that follows.
But none of that excuses him. Lots of Leos know how to rise to the occasion.
That was an early warning sign, as was the “Mr. Present” thing. He clearly had a record of standing aside on the sorts of issues where his voters would have wanted him to do the right thing, but some powerful people wouldn’t.
Those guys need to be drug-tested!
Yes, losing the election certainly makes large donors less likely to support you, but they kept pouring bucks into the Rs in their out years.
For me, Obama’s FISA vote was the first sign he wasn’t what he presented himself to be. The second sign was when he appointed his cabinet.
I think it was here at FDL a couple months ago that I saw a quote from a big donor who not only was closing his checkbook to the Party, he planned to run his own ads targeting blue dogs. I think it was a Rockefeller. Anyway, good on the billionaire liberals for thinking of building progressive infrastructure. It’s badly needed. To give myself a little hope, I’ve been reading Fortunes of Change: The Rise of the Liberal Rich and the Remaking of America There are a signficant number of wealthy people spending millions for progressive causes and more are bound to be on the way. That’s not entirely a good thing, as the book points out, but it’s better than nothing.
You have to realize black was going to come before Hippie. Then woman, then Asian … the minorities they could run through without ever crossing the dreaded DFH ‘culture war’ boundary was going to be just endless.
No, we have to make sure the values are right, the hell with what sex or color they are. He is a Christian, and that was what mattered to them; it has to do with basic ideology.
There was no way a non-christian was going to make it past the media door post last cycle. There are some very telling reasons why – I think it is a serious moral hazard and should be thoughtfully, throughly explored. Maybe next time we can change the outcome.
Change we can believe in shouldn’t be too good to be true.
“They could snap the spine of the Democratic party completely with that one.”
Praise Be.
Can we get a third party now, committed to the constitution, civil rights, reductions in defense and security waste, and accountability?
FISA was a big one, complete with his letter on dkos.
I also think a core part of his problem is that, like Powell, he’s an A-A trying to get ahead in a white world (that would be the PTB world, not the much broader real world). Nothing inherently wrong with that; in fact, it could be laudable. But both did it by selling out. Which could be a problem. I’ve seen women on Wall St, situations where I have much more evidence, do it time & time again. It worked for many of them, but then they didn’t need to appeal to multiple constituencies; neither did Powell. But O does, and thus the failure.
Clinton did not pull a stunt.
In fact, forming an alliance with Moderates is the only way, given the current ideologic composition of the electorate, that Progressives can inform national legislation in a meaningful way.
You can do nothing without some bucks on your side when you’re up against big bucks on the other side. The problem is to get the money without rejecting your principles.
bingo
we were led to believe obama could raise money from people instead of interest groups
that gave me hope that he would not be corrupted, I remember the first time I said “obama has corrupted himself”
broke my heart too
He did do a pretty good job of pulling the wool over a lot of people’s eyes on that internet fundraising bs. Got the media to go along bigtime.
oh, oh, oh
I know!
it was when he praised reagan, was that before the fisa vote?
My favorite was a commenter over at BJ who said that the old defunct Accountability Now website (which was set up to deal solely with the primaries) was no longer operating, was somehow proof that you were lining your pockets with the Accountability Now cash donations and that no actual activism was being done. (As opposed to, you know, there being no current need for the site now that the primaries for 2010 are done. But some of these people can’t help cutting themselves on Occam’s Razor.) Even BJ’s staff writers know better than to pretend FDL doesn’t do activism. (Oh, by the way, Peter Daou, a moderate Democrat if ever there was one, is apparently now considered part of the Evil FDL Axis.)
Oh, and John Cole’s still having fits over a typo that Jane corrected right away. And he’s still doing the whole “the votes were never there” schtick — and without one single mention of The May 11, 2009 Meeting where the public option was dealt away by the White House.
You’re welcome to use whatever term you choose, but his alliance with moneyed interests caused him to back measures (bank deregulation, NAFTA, etc.) that had a great detrimental effect on the traditional Democratic rank-and-file.
Thanks for the heads up.
sounds like they’ve gotten, or decided to act on, the message: it’s not Democrats versus Republicans, it’s humans versus corporations.
I have respect for your steadfast commitment to the Democrat Cosa Nostra. Is there anything that if promulgated by them would make you change your mind? Privatizing of Public Education, weakening of the SS safety net, – anything?
Hugh’s list has the FISA vote as #1.
I think they are recognizing the simple truth of this election: Democrats bad, Republicans worse.
Me too.
when did the 0 praise reagan, I am going to look that up and be back
My husband is a Leo too, tell me what follows. Thanks.
I think the “the votes were never there” argument is silly on its face, even without resorting to discussing the backroom deals with pharma, insurers, etc. The President is the head of his party, and if he can’t make these things happen, then he needs to lean on the people who are standing in the way, or find a way to accommodate them. The Cornhusker Medicaid supplement was such a thing, there could have been others. He leaned on progressives instead. That’s obvious from watching who Obama talked to and who he didn’t.
looks like jan 17, 2008, it looks like june 20 of the same year for fisa
I have criticized Obama strongly for the size of the stimulus package and the war in Afghanistan.
On many other matters my assessment of Obama is not nearly as harsh as other’s here.
Of course, if you were here in the spring and early summer of 2008, although I generally supported Obama, I was not a star struck as many here, and was derided for arguing that Hillary Clinton was right to continue her campaign.
I believe jane proved many times the votes were indeed there for the public option
we all also made the point that the president deliberately started at the compromise, the real starting point was single payer.
obama was set to undermine the public option from the get
And I’m convinced it’s going to happen. The fix was in from the moment Obama ordered the Catfood Commission into existence after Congress refused to do it. It’ll be a complete tragedy, the biggest sellout a political party ever pulled on it’s own base, but some good will come from it. This will be the final straw for a lot of people who still believe in the Dems. It’ll be the necessary push to form a real third party, a Progressive Party, to challenge the corporate bastards who have bought and paid-for both of the current partys.
Well I think how I did it with the Tea Party was pretty darn clever, if you ask me, which of course almost no-one does.
I’m not certain which Clinton “stunt” ghostof911 was referencing. I assumed the comment referred to Clinton abandoning the traditional Dem populist platform in favor of neoliberalism. If so, it was certainly no stunt, rather a tragic party transformation.
The old Dems had their flaws but at least they served as advocates for poor and working class Americans occasionally. Alas, that party is dead and gone.
I wish we weren’t stuck in this 2 party system, because while I vote for dems most of the time it’s often the lesser of two evils decision. And the fact that Obama – who I voted for cause I believed he was smart enough and rational enough to look at issues from all sides and come to fair decisions – and his whitehouse are issuing statements about being 100% against the legalization of Marijuana is extremely disturbing to me. This is such a common sense easy issue imo and any politician who’s against it is either playing politics, crazy or stupid. I don’t think Obama is crazy or stupid, but I do think he’s playing politics and I expected more from him, especially on such clear issues as Marijuana.
Our political system makes me very sad. But the way the Dems have squandered their majorities has been a huge disappointment. If Obama was a republican, riding in with that much support and those huge majorities, then MANY things would have been passed. I applaud the effort on major issues like health care, energy and education, but those are still not full out successes, they’re lacking. They’re progress in the right direction but no results. Legalizing Marijuana is something that can just be done, and the positive results would come very quickly. And the courage shown to stand up and fight for the issue would win major points in my book.
Who was it that recently extended unemployment?
Moreover, you can’t do squat strictly adhering to a political ideology that only 20% of the electorate supports.
that would be true, that’s why we’re criticizing him for abandoning the policies that the majority of americans do support, and what he was elected on, as I posted in the link up top
Jane,
In the interests of accuracy, you should correct your contention that emanuel was clinton’s drug czar. Although it doesn’t change the greater point you make that emanuel is against the legalization of marijuana … and I’m about as sure as I can be without being you that the inaccuracy is unintentional … emanuel was never clinton’s drug czar.
Z
That was because the Ron Paulers were doing it. (I had encouraged them to, in order to legalize pot.)
People saw that and got encouraged about Obama. Once they started donating it snowballed and Obama suddenly realized he had a chance to win based on small donations.
It seemed to take months for Hilary to figure that out. She was so sure she was the chosen one. They all were. Their group think was quite telling.
What it spoke to me of was stolen elections decided ahead of time, and that party no longer really mattered, something else was in charge. Later I learned of ‘The Family’.
Wall Street figured it out that Obama was going to win long before she did and they moved in with the big money. He could have shunned their money and won it anyway, it was a bad sign that he didn’t.
So they threw voters a bone by extending unemployment benefits in an election year, with cuts to Social Security likely to follow after November 2. I’m so glad to learn that will be in keeping with the wishes of 80 percent of Americans.
I figured the fix would be in before the fix was in, I thought they would do their best to get “a women” or “a black man” to be the candidate and that would be their only hope
then it became clear when nobody but the 0 or the h got coverage during the primaries, it was obvious they weren’t going to let anyone else have a chance
I think this time we need to make sure whoever we support really is on our side.
how to do?
I don’t think I am electable, I have a sordid past and all that
who’s left then?
I just unsubscribed to MoveOn.org. I’ve gotten tired of their carrying water for useless Dems and the Obama Regime in general. The last straw today was their asking me to contribute to save the ass of another useless corporate Dem here in Connecticut where I live, who supports extending the Bush tax cuts for plutocrats. I guess representing Stamford and Greenwich in the Congress requires him to serve the elites over The People. So he can ask them for money.
They get a bit cranky and irritable if they do not feel properly appreciated. We can see it already with Obama, and he’s been like this for some time.
If you have a Leo husband, it is well worth your while to find ways to appreciate him, not for things that don’t make sense… just for the things that do.
Maybe big money donors like soros, who’s investments are large and easy to quantify, are deciding the electoral politics game as it exists is a lose lose until a widespread, non partisan, popular movement for change can begin to force a change in the stagnant,top down, board room created “consensus” and “conventional wisdom” at large in the culture. Politicians arent leaders they are followers.
There have been more than a few bones thrown. But, regardless if you agree with that, there is no question that Democrats are much better, if you are concerned about the welfare of the poor and working class Americans, than the only viable alternative in November.
As to the electorate’s general political ideology, study after study over the last 2 decades shows that it is roughly 40% conservtive, 40% moderate and 20% progressive. Now, certainly, on any given issue, this can vary significantly.
Jane, can you tell me which groups comprise the veal pen which did BO’s bidding in stiffing the progressive base? I want to make sure I stop contributing and responding to action requests from the right groups. I already know that HRC is one of their chief enablers on killing gay rights advocacy from within. So they’re already on my shit list. How about MoveOn? Others?
My condolances thay you are not enjoying a sordid present. “g”
no study shows that, the studies you are referencing show how people identify themselves not their actual beliefs
linkeroo demonstrates the vast majority of americans are in fact progressives
not a bad disclaimer but in fact it’s most issues not given issues
I love my sordid past, relive those times plenty!
I’ll concede that the GOP is worse. Unfortunately for the Dems, lesser evilism lends itself to diminishing returns when it is time to GOTV, particularly in a midterm election.
Me too, also glad to keep it in the past. Gets too hard to sustain the necessary enthusiasm to be really sordid. “g”
Everyone has a sordid past. Just apologize for your youthful indiscretions at age 40 and it all disappears in the fuzz of media hype.
only if you are a republican (oiyaar)
democrats not so much
moveon should have moved on from obama and the dems during the health care bill debacle … or at least not lent their credibility and people power to support the bill. First, they were against it becoz it didn’t have a public option and then a short time later they were all in for it even though it still didn’t have the public option becoz they obeyed obama’s wishes to the extent that they threatened dem politicians with primary opponents if they didn’t vote in favor of it. They lost any respect … any self-respect … after that little self-serving party servile maneuver and now they are just a calf in the veal pen that anyone with principles won’t lift a finger to feed.
Z
Well done Jane! I’ve been saying forever that staying home and pouting sure isn’t going to bring the Democrats around. A defeat in November will just give them an excuse to further ignore the progressive left while a victory will give them an excuse to do more of the same. Maybe the big donors closing their wallets will get their attention. Lord knows money seems to be the only language they understand.
From The Simpsons episode “Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington”:
Veal Pen = Most of the supposed national “progressive groups” tht theoretically should have been fighting the Obama administration on most every issue so far.
Includes but is not limited to”
Sierra Club
Unions
NARAL
Planned Parenthood
and many others
Note: This does not mean that the local chapters of these groups are doing the same thing and many local chapters are very much worthy of support.
Chances are, Jane, you can’t snap that spine, it’s too pliable.
Soros withholding money from the Dems must be driving the WH crazy. Rahm language is probably much worse than usual. haha
$$$$$$$$ makes the world go round………Do you here that? It’s the sound of America cracking. Obama is already counting the moments until he turn this dog over to a republican, and get on to his speaking tours
Michigan Senator Debbie Stabenow yesterday requested unanimous consent on her bill to create another tier for the 99ers. Some jerkwater Republican asshole from Florida named George LeMieux objected to it defeating her motion.
Not a peep out of Obama who promised in July to fight to provide unemployment benefits after funding runs out in November.
Why am I not surprised.
Obama is a jerk.
Link.
Oh, if only this were true. But I think you underestimate the complete gutlessness of the American people.
Unlike us less heeled libruls I don’t think the WH will be insulting Soros publicly.
oldgold is undoubtedly correct in stating that progressives are not the Democratic base, more like the Democratic door-mat.
Jane, now is the perfect opportunity to start promoting Green and other third party candidates — or at least reporting favorably about them. The left has to have a venue for punishing Democrats for being a bad clone of the Republican Party, so that Democrats stop taking us for granted and start doing what we want them to do. Some of us here helped Jill Stein in Massachusetts raise more than $250,000 to qualify for the gubernatorial debates and get matching funds. Think of what FDL could accomplish if it took on this task.
Most excellent.
The political landscape continues to be an interesting and challenging exercise.
I have a custom-made tin foil hat that I’ve kept well polished since I was in Vietnam and learned a few secrets.
Obama and the oligarchs don’t have to keep the Democratic base happy because the GOP and its fringe elements have managed to convince the portion of the electorate that is most ill-served by GOP economic policies that they are the majority in this country, much like Spiro Agnew convinced a minority of people that they were the “silent majority.”
It’s not that complicated really. It’s a tactic that the oligarchs have been using since the end of the Civil War: Make the ignorant working class whites believe that they are more American than others who would question the government; make poor whites who can’t read feel better than minorities with advanced degrees just because they’re white; make the opposition appear to be traitors during a time of “war” and high jingoistic rhetoric.
You don’t need a tin foil hat or a subscription to International Socialist Review to see what’s going on here. You don’t even need a GED.
That’s one of the best lines I’ve read in years!
Did you read this?
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/pdf/caf_mm-20090526-6.pdf
Perhaps so, but let’s keep perspective. From Slate:
No significant different than the Bush before him. Sound familiar to anyone?
LMAO!
As you say, SD.
Excellent post.
Interesting times for exercise.
;~DW
You can’t snap the spine of a jellyfish.
like most people, oldgold has fallen prey to the propaganda promoted by corporate media
first the media turns the word “liberal” into a dirty word, then people don’t want to identify themselves as liberals, then they take a poll and lo, behold, most people don’t identify themselves as liberals, even though that’s what they are
I can’t remember the last policy that FDL was in favor of that didn’t poll more than 50%.
yup
terrific point there ecahn
Well said.
An afterthought: What are the chances that when he leaves office Obama won’t get the megabucks he’s expecting? What are the chances that the oligarchs will turn their back on him once he’s of no further use? Wouldn’t that be nice!
And, were Liberal or Progressive policies to be given a chance, to be actually tried, it might be discovered that the majority of human beings would prefer such policies …
DW
Oh, I wish it was so.
You might want to take a look at this recent study by the highly regarded Pew Research Center. It goes quite a bit deeper than the self-identification polling Gallup and others have done that you reject.
It might not convince you, but I think you will find it interesting.
http://people-press.org/report/636/
not really buying that OG…that may have been true 20 years ago, but when you look at the overwhelming public support for the PO and repeal of DADT, Marriage Equality, the amount of folks against the Wall Street bailout, against the wars…I would say that the Progressive is becoming the new Moderate.
Ahem.
Difference. Sigh. Cutting and pasting, cutting and pasting…
oldgold, you just posted what I told you, that’s a poll on how people view themselves and their party, it’s not a poll on actual platforms or positions, as the polls demonstrate in the link I gave you
your poll is a poll on how people view themselves, not what they believe, to wit (forgive typos and paraphrase, this does not cut and paste;
to wit
you have posted exactly what I knew you were referencing and made my point for me
I understand how you have been misled, everyone is thanks to the corporate media turning the word liberal into a pejorative
you have proven the point
Not that 40 years of the corporate media labeling everything associated with Dems as liberal had any bearing on people’s perception.
True, it is hard for people to identify with progressive policies they have never experienced.
Making matters even more difficult, it isn’t average Americans who have to be won over for such policies to be implemented, it is Wall Street, the banks and all the other MOTU. How can you possibly convince them that progressive policy would serve their immediate financial self-interest?
Of course, it could have and probaly did. But, that is their current perception.
Pew is merely asking for self identification, instead of polling on issues, and sentiments. The Media Matters poll is far more informative with regards to where Americans heads are at.
ya, he’s using a poll on a person’s perception of himself rather then the actual beliefs of that same person
the polls I posted (they are numerous on that link) prove the majority of americans are in fact progressive liberals
yet the media gets to use the non poll oldgold sited to claim this country leans to the right
it works, even liberals buy it till it’s pointed out to them otherwise with real policy polling
Or told repeatedly ad naseum that such ideas are unAmerican, bad for them and probably socialist. As if most Americans have any real idea of what contemporary socialism is all about.
No, although there is a self-identification aspect to the Pew study, it clearly went beyond that. The interesting aspect was how Americans viewed the parties, their own and others, on an ideological spectrum.
See, liberal media bias is real, it simply doesn’t mean what people think it does.
as you finally realize, perception is not reality
obama had actual issues to run on, actual “the majority of americans want this” issues
instead he ran to appease his corporate puppeteers and he has proven to be their marionette
“Wall Street, the banks and all the other MOTU” will NEVER be “won over”, for then they would lose the class war that they have been waging …
Neither will the political class which serves them … until that class is replaced or … they discover their own humanity.
The former seems more doable than the second seems likely in the near term, say a hundred years or so at the rate oldgold would, apparently, incrementally have it.
DW
So what? Whenever a pollster asks me, I say I’m a moderate because I believe I am. And if legalizing weed, getting out of foreign entanglements, building a socially responsible society with “safety nets” and eliminating the Fed aren’t considered moderate by the rest of you, it’s the rest of you that has the problem, not me.
Polls can always be constructed to give the results the pollster desires. The rightmost column is completely bogus, IMHO. It appears they polled the Fox News audience. Did they use land line phones, by any chance?
because jellyfish, like Democrats at the National level, are invertebrates – they have no spine to snap
I view both parties as neoliberal and they can kiss my ass.
Oh, I don’t know. Surrounding their buildings with 100 million angry, disgruntled progressives wouldn’t change their minds any?
X2!
X3.
DW
we’re saying the same thing, it’s how “they view the parties
has nothing to do with actual agenda, the VERY vast majority of americans are in fact progressive and liberal but like yourself, they don’t know it
you claimed progressives are 20 percent, you are clearly mistaken in that claim, progressives are the majority even though the majority does not view themselves as progressives
it’s packaging but that has nothing to do with obama, he needed to run on the incredibly popular progressive policies, he chose not to
Our senate is truly broken. They either need new rules or just to cease to exist.
Had my elderly neighbor venting to me recently about how the unions screwed themselves and the country. The gist was that we shouldn’t blame corporations for outsourcing jobs.
At the time he was loading me down with his incredible homegrown tomatoes. I confess that I nudged the conversation in a different direction rather than directly confront his misconceptions. Anyway, he’s 89, I seriously doubt if I could change his opinion.
yup
I actually identify myself as a concervative idiologically
I want to concerve the economy, concerve the middle class, concerve our envirnment and a host of other issues
while believing I am a true concervative, I want progressive programs accomplishing those objectives
The one step forward, two back tactic will take more than 100 years to result in positive change. I suppose eventually we could step backward until we’ve nearly circumnavigated the globe and end up somewhere ahead of where we are now.
Hell, ratfood, if he lives to be a hundred, your conversations with him would keep his heart working and his blood moving.
He could probably use a good-natured discussion.
He might even appreciate a wee pleasant argument.
If he’s giving you his tomatoes, then he likes ya, already.
;~DW
My mother, whom I believe once voted for Reagan, intends to vote for Brown, and for Prop. 19. I also seriously doubt I could change her opinion. Thankfully.
I certainly agree with the first part. With union leadership in bed with the bosses for decades and agreeing to “no strike” clauses for promises that the corporations had no intention of fulfilling they dug their own grave. How many corporations have claimed they didn’t have the money to pay established pensions and then foisted the responsibility onto the government?
Most citizens don’t know what “progressive” means anymore. As has been discussed ad nauseum here, it’s been given a “dirty name” by the rightwing corporate-owned media. If you are able have a “reasonable” discussion with some conservatives (not the screaming T-party ragers), often there are many points of commonality.
What has been labeled as “liberal” or “progressive” often isn’t that “liberal.” Plus things that truly are “liberal” – like the Public Option – does lean towards a kind of socialism. Many other democracies don’t have a problem with some elements of socialism in their nations bc they have a notion of the “common good.” It’s just that it’s been constantly demonized and villified by the Oligarchs who run the media.
And so on. It’s all about the messaging, which has given “liberals” an undeserved bad name.
I dispute the notion of continuing to “compromise.” If anything the compromising needs to swing back in the other direction with the radical right needing to compromise more… we’ve pushed the overton window much too far to the right, and it’s financially unhealthy and unsound for our nation.
Maybe someone already said it, I haven’t been through all 166 previous comments,
What spine? All I’ve seen are loudmouth invertebrates.
Before that happens Obama’s internment camps for progressives will be completed.
Yes, but I’ve discovered not disagreeing with elderly tomato growers gets you more tomatoes!
That might well be the “olgold plan”.
Going backwards … to go forward.
Maybe Obama could campaign on that idea, “Looking forward, going backward”
Balanced, if not fair.
;~DW
Edwards said it best in the primaries – we have to beat them. No I’m not advocating for Edwards to primary President 70% in 2012 (Elizabeth Edwards maybe…), but we can’t sit down at the table and compromise with these corporate sons of bitches anymore. Find us a standard bearer who’s not afraid to fight for what we believe in (jobs, schools, health care, safe banks, rule of law, etc.), build up a real grass roots organization that expresses our values (not Obama’s OFA Stalinistic cult of personality) and let’s take this country back from the crooks and gangsters.
Heard an interview with Chomsky the other day and he said something about the difference in the idea of social democracy in Europe and our system is that we did not have to come out of feudalism. We were a capitalist nation from the get go.
We chat but I’m inclined to keep it light.
To be honest I don’t believe I’ve ever changed anyone’s opinion about anything.
off for some tennis all, have good times!
Look! SD has given you a possible path to the 89-year old’s perspective.
If so then the old guy has got a grip and would definitely appreciate knowing that you appreciate it.
;~DW
I consider myself a fiscal conservative but very socially progressive. I’ve been ticked off since Reagan at how unsound conservatives are with our nation’s finances. Conservatives are anything BUT fiscally conservative.
The Rethugs still like to whine about “tax and spend” Democrats.
Well, I’m sick and tired of Credit Card Republicans.
Which is more damaging? And who’s more fiscally conservative? That’s another thing that really bugs me: how many of these rightwingers rant about Dems & taxes, when it’s the Rethugs who are so wasteful.
That said, I fully concur that there’s little difference between both political parties these days. I’m more discussing the traditional differences between Dems & Rethugs.
No one changes anyone else’s opinion, ratfood, at best, one offers something to think about …
DW
I did?
Actually, the telecom immunity vote was end of August before the election. But remember when Obama promised he’d fix it if he was elected? Yeah, he fixed it alright. Phone companies are free to give the government every damn fax, email, and phone call we make.
TARP passed, Paulson set all the terms, then changed his mind on the plan after he got the cash. But remember how Obama and the Dems swore up, down and sideways about their strict oversight? Really? Then why don’t we know where all of the moeny it went to this day. When they asked Bernanke where it went, he told them to fuck off. Obama didn’t give a shit either.
They never bothered to disclose this info to us.
Then the Dems went along with Bush to lift the ban on offshore drilling,
promising they’d put it back after November. Tell that to the people of Louisiana. Not only did flat out lie to our faces, Obama’s got that corporate, anti environment, Family member freak, Ken Salazar throw offshore drilling in high gear and setting fire to industry regulations.
That’s Obama and the Dems. Rubbing our faces in shit, then demanding we go out and support them again. I couldn’t keep my self respect if I voted for the Dems again. Finito.
When my dad learned that my mom had voted for JFK he said if he’d known she was going to do that he’d have tied her up until the polls closed.
He was a good guy and didn’t mean it, he was just ticked that she’d effectively canceled out his vote for Nixon. I should add that his views mellowed considerably with the passage of time. In fact my oldest sister told me after he died that he’d stated if we were still fighting in Vietnam when my brother and I reached draft age he would personally relocate us to Canada. My brother just missed it, I was five years younger.
His “evolving” positions on Israel/Palestine from when he became my senator in ’04 to when he ran for office in ’08 were the dead give away for me when I voted in 2008. That, FISA, Patriot Act, “Bomb Pakistan” fantasies in 2005.
I didn’t vote for him because if you really took the time to study his background and how he had made a career out of twisting and turning his positions like the wind as he moved from success to success, you could see the “surprising rightward turn” coming a mile away.
Dunno, I only venture out of Hermit Hollow when there’s food involved. :)
My dad is 95. He has always been a staunch Republican (as in, I remember dinner with Nixon, even dad on the speaking podium with Nixon, if a Republican was president dad would get a birthday card, he always gave very generously). He voted for Obama (first Dem he ever voted for, and it turns out to be a Republican!). At any rate, minds can be changed if you are dealing with a logical person, no matter the age.
That probably has a lot to do with it. The collective, historical memory of feudal oppression is missing here, and it’s unfortunate.
Conservatives especially (but others as well) love to buy into the myth of the rugged individualists who pulls him/herself up by the bootstraps and “makes it” on their own. It’s the myth propounded in the old-style John Wayne westerns, which look good in celluloid but were quite different in actual reality.
It’s nice to believe that everyone is quite equal with completely equal chances at “making it,” but it’s not true. And in the “wild west” and/or our pioneering heritage, actually quite a lot got done through communual efforts, which, if you think about it, was a kind of form of socialism.
21st C Americans have really lost touch with those roots; romanticize the “wild west” as a time/place where individuals could just “make it” on their own, but that’s not really how it worked.
Gotta run, too.
Absolutely, @ 167 …
I know an number of older folks who watched the union leadership cozy-up to management and sell out the ranks.
DW
That is not my plan.
But, I will take incrementalism over nothing. I guess, that is where I part company with many here.
I know, oldgold, I was funnin’ ya.
But for some, perhaps for many, “incrementalism” is fatal and far too late.
DW
I’d say Native Americans, African Americans and Hispanics have that collective memory.
We can let the Rethugs and Dems have the affluent and affluent wannabe whites and a 3rd party somewhere down the road will take everybody else.
My neighbor wasn’t suggesting that unions screwed themselves by cozying up to management, rather by having previously pushed frivolous demands such as a living wage, insurance and retirement benefits.
Ah, so, desu ka.
Great post and interesting thread. 5 pm and time to seize my day. Splendid afternoon and evening to all.
Yeah, there are some who want everything yesterday. Not. Gonna. Happen.
I suppose it IS preferable for things to become incrementally worse than to do it all at once.
You are right. For many the change comes too late. The Civil Rights movement is probably the most painfully poignant example of that in American political history.
You folks still at it?
My own preference is to imagine how you cross a chasm in incremental steps.
Exactly. So long as Citizens United is the law of the land, that’s the way it’s going to be.
It’s banker mentality. A mental disease. True sociopaths.
Just like bankers of the 1930′s they will devour and destroy anything for profits. They feel entitled to everything with zero compassion for anyone they destroy. They loathe us all and no matter how rich they are, it’s never enough.
They are arrogant pricks without any remorse for the lives they ruined. They just move on looking for the next body.
P.S. Jane, Don’t forget the millions of teachers that supported Obama until he and Arne decided that our public schools would benefit from a Katrina. Millions of teachers are saving their money for the dog days when they’ll be fired for having too many years of experience working with poor kids. Can’t have too many experienced personnel- high salaries effect the bottom line. Who do these education deforms help? Not kids.
Yesterday, Duncan Announced 12 grants for $50 Million to Charter School Management Organizations, some of which are under investigation for funds mismanagement. h/t http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/2010/09/kipp-academy-charter-school-bronx.html
“Management at the KIPP Academy Charter School-Bronx used $68,000 of taxpayers’ money to fund five-day staff retreats to resorts in the Bahamas and Dominican Republic, as well as on alcohol and parties. The school sent 21 staffers to the town of Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic at a cost of $1,119 per person and 49 employees to the Radisson Cable Beach in Nassau, the Bahamas, for $907 per person.”
“Pittsburgh Public Schools Superintendent Mark Roosevelt said Imagine Schools is a for-profit company more interested in making money than educating students.”
And they wonder why we’re pissed?
Ah yes, here in Pittsburgh Pa. there are far too many who know nothing of the Homestead Massacre, even among those many who frequent Frick Park …
The true history of the union movement is lost to many.
By design, and intent … we might speculate …
DW
No.
If you think I am stupid, fine. I might be.
You do it by building a bridge.
I smell an Obama ’12 slogan in there…
Sounds like a Race to the Top (TM) to me.
A little yelling at first, then a thump, followed by oblivion.
Not one of O’s strong suits.
P.S. Jane, Don’t forget the millions of teachers that supported Obama until he and Arne decided that our public schools would benefit from a Katrina. Millions of teachers are saving their money for the dog days when they’ll be fired for having too many years of experience working with poor kids. Can’t have too many experienced personnel- high salaries effect the bottom line. Who do these education deforms help? Not kids.
Yesterday, Duncan Announced 12 grants for $50 Million to Charter School Management Organizations, some of which are under investigation for funds mismanagement. h/t http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/2010/09/kipp-academy-charter-school-bronx.html
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And they wonder why we’re pissed?
I certainly don’t think you are stupid. I applaud your perseverance in swimming against the tide. Hopefully we can agree to disagree.
You didn’t ask who. You asked how.
The fabled bridge to O-where.
Well, when you put it that way, ratfood, it gives “incremental” a rather different flavor.
Which it appears that oldgold, personally, took the wrong way.
But, strangely enough, @ 203, could well be on to something …
DW
Depends on who the other guys nominate. The ’12 slogan might be as simple as “Not Palin.”
Certainly we can agree to disagree in a civil manner and hopefully from time to time agree.
Actually, I hope you are right and I am wrong about there being a silent majority of Progressives out in the American electorate.
Ratfood, if you are going to get on one of your devastating humor rolls, then I’m gonna stick around …
Otherwise this thread is getting “up” there …
Oh hell, let’s go for 300 … if ya want to.
I’m just gonna sit back and wait ’til ya let loose.
DW
Nice one.
Well, if memory serves, I believe Bush offered the contract for that one. I recall viewing a reporter’s chilling investigation of one apparent internment camp, using an old railroad site, complete with barbed wire facing IN, and large, oven-like structures on the outside of each building. That was during shrub’s administration. But, what’s the difference?
There are obvious and extremely serious international problems on the immediate horizon. How many of these might result in revolt? How many actions of the US will be seen in a bad light by many American citizens?
We import virtually everything we have. We are utterly dependent on foreign entities for our existence. And, not so coincidentally, we have the world’s most powerful military, and our wealthy political class has aligned our government with the world’s wealthiest corporations, who respond in kind with cash donations and marching orders.
Our government spies incessantly, especially on its own citizens. Every word on this thread is archived, and every single one of us is well-known. How many of you have been the victims of sneak-and-peek searches? Would you even know if you had been? The amazing thing is, it wouldn’t matter if we posted here or not. Our corporate-sponsored government, with its distorted reality, marches on. The future is all about crisis management, and in a crisis, the people must be managed. What better way to keep tabs on people than to spy on them incessantly?
If poverty, exploitation and war are on a path to inexorably increase over the next few decades as the environment simultaneously deteriorates dramatically (leaving billions without fresh drinking water or crops to feed themselves with), it’s painfully evident our government is currently positioning itself to inject itself militarily where it’s never gone before.
Crisis management sometimes involves creating an appropriate crisis to manage. What’s coming is terrible, orchestrated and in many ways inevitable. We could have weaned ourselves off of fossil fuels decades ago, but we didn’t. Hell, we can’t even seem to convince Catholics to practice birth control, or bankers to stop ripping people off with fraudulent contracts they hype, and then gamble will fail for far greater profit than the contract itself.
It isn’t R’s vs. D’s. It’s the wealthy, their corporations and their religious dupes against humanity (the former always seemingly way ahead of the latter).
We need significant changes in our systems of government, and I don’t see where that will come from while such unbridled wealth and power runs the show, ginning up fear and gearing up for perceived fantastic gains with the crises to come.
Not that I’m suggesting we not try to effect sweeping changes. I’m suggesting we wise up about the situation we’re in. There is a reason Obama is CIC, and it isn’t because he’s black, or once was a community organizer. He’s supposed to be the calming influence Bush wasn’t.
The cynic in me, obviously in rare form today, thinks this pres. is pres. only because the lid is about to blow off the whole apparatus, and some very wealthy people thought he’d do a better job at keeping the peasants pacified than Hillary.
My bad. I thought this thread was about O.
your apparent commitment to incrementalism, which for 30 tears has been trending to disempower the working public, generating the greatest wealth inequality in the civilized world, will end up in chaos and bloodshed. And you know what bro, – that one will go on your tab.
Hahahahahahahaha! That’s rich coming from one of FDL’s most ardent partisan Democratic Party loyalists.
Superb comment.
A diary that would be very well-received, for certain.
DW
I wouldn’t say there is a silent majority of Progressives. Such labels tend to be misleading, anyway. Even people who describe themselves as Progressive can’t agree what it means. For some it automatically connotes a party affiliation, for others a nonpartisan ideology. Both perspectives have their shortcomings, of course.
Schulz had a lady on, a 99er, Mignon something…on, he tried to tell her that it is the Repubs who are to be held responsible for the state of affairs. She disagreed by citing something I did not catch, and thus laid the blame on the Dems. Anyone know what she was citing?
I watched a BBC program with a hedge fund manager. It was chilling. He has no conscience whatsoever. As he put it, paraphrasing, “If your poor education qualifies you for a job 1.5 billion Chinese can do, how can you expect to be paid more for doing it?” He doesn’t concern himself that his actions bring down governments. He’s only in it for the money. He literally despises the poor, and scoffs at regulations. His tortured, circuitous arguments against regulating his excesses were nothing short of self-serving blather.
I have an idea. Let’s all create a corporation, manage hedge funds, screw people until we become obscenely wealthy and then get on TV to rub the other 99.9999999999999% of the people in the world’s faces in it! /sarcasm
This is the sort of man whom Senators call, “friend.”
Well, sorry to disappoint but I really must get some exercise before dark. Love Autumn but lament the shorter days.
Down the road, DWB
No. I am not in favor of incrementalism. I am simply opining as to how I see the current political landscape.
Aren’t they all.
I’ll take the opportunity of a walk meownself, ratfood.
See ya all, later.
DW
Cannabis legal reform is important to me from a civil liberties and social justice perspective. Before Obama ran for President, I thought he supported at least liberalization of cannabis laws. It was part of the reason I supported him, and urged other people to support him.
Soros and Lewis are my heroes for this. I am so disappointed in the Obama administration for their turning their back on the civil liberties and social justice needs of people of this country.
I do not consider a 12 trillion in cash and guarantees to the Banksters as incrementalism, I see it as unabashed grand theft, a big fuck you to the savers and working americans.
Me, too. Sigh. Me, too.
Well, I have to reboot the machine. Nothing like kernel updates.
– Some Guy
Fuckno, What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with what I have been discussing.
Once again, I am not an advocate for incrementalism. I want progressive change sooner than later.
99er NOVO Advocate Mignon Veasley-Fields needs all the support FDL can muster!
Thanks, dakine01. I saw McEntee of AFSCME’s comments today echoing Gibbs and BO and Biden about petulant progressives and was appalled. What does screwing labor on EFCA mean to you, McEntee except that the Dems and BO just aren’t that into you??
as much as I hate billionaires and rich people trying to get their way in general, this is what the democratic party deserves for the 2 years of absolutely terrible leadership and “say one thing and do the other” tactics
Time and time again they refuse to do the right thing, never stand their ground, they are so damned scared of being classified as “class warriors” or some other stupid fox news bullshit, and some people on the left is just as bad as the right – they’ll vote D just because its a ‘D’ just like some vote R just because its an ‘R’
Welp…I’m still young, things could get better maybe…possibly…please god
Funny things those “facts”:
Obama and Dems are down in polls.
Obama and Dems cannot raise money.
But this is all the fault of a “handful” of progressive bloggers.
Bullshit! Just bullshit! They are in deep denial.
Obama and the Dems had better re-examine everything they’ve done and figure out how they managed to squander the largest mandate since FDR.
And I’ve given them the GD answer in that last sentence too. Maybe when they start acting like FDR Democrats, they’ll get another round of GD FDR style Democratic support!
It’s time for them to just start realizing that the American people are tired of being fucked and will keep voting people out till they get a government that supports the American people.
All these handful of bloggers are “guilty” of doing is repeatedly pointing this out to them since January 2009.
I can’t wait until social security is killed by democraps.
I hope it happens soon…I want to see the elderly going on a bloody rampage up and down the streets.
“Soros is the 35th richest person in the world, and the 14th richest U.S. citizen, with a net worth estimated at US$14.2 billion.”
20 million, eh?
Better’n a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. *g*
I’m not running, but I will put on my tin foil hat and think about it. I have no worries we will find a good person within a year.
I’m not too worried about it, actually, I think party building is far more important right now. We need a group of people, not just one leader. One of the mistakes Obama made was he had more of a plan on how to get elected than he did on how to lead.
What we need is a group ready to go with an agenda, to hit the ground running to get it accomplished once they get in office. Bush did that and accomplished an incredible amount, sadly it was all in the wrong direction.
Obama tried to take a rest once he got elected not realizing the job only gets harder after you get elected. He is not the great delegator that Bush is. Bush legalized torture and started two wars, all Obama has done is codify it.
I have some validation cards, one of my favorites says, “I am a good leader because I know how to follow.”
Sorry dude, not me. I am clean as a whistle. That is why I KNEW I could end the drug war. They would never be able to get anything on me.
It explains why we have been the target of so much abusive language. I was wondering where that came from.
We could impeach him and make it happen a lot faster.
Oh yeah. And I have been here before. Now, I’m loaded for bear.
We should pick our favorite in each congressional race.
We can’t win them over. They are corrupt. We are going to have to take them down. We have to just grow up about the whole banking bubble economy and convert it to something that is actually going to work.
First step to that is to expose all the major corruption of last administrations in court cases and seize assets as criminal damages. Otherwise, I think we could have some serious financial difficulties.
We should RICO those assets and quick. There are going to be other parties they owe damages to also. The early bird gets the worm in these situations.
Now, my progressive American friends, you must realize my words of wisdom are interesting to people in other countries too. Once I hit the submit comment button, the race is on. They will be thinking about squirreling it away and covering it up, or if they are countries with damages, suing for some of those assets themselves.
He knew he was riding a wave. He would be delusional to think it was of his own doing. I think he was well aware of that.
The first step would be planning. The second step would be gathering materials and help if you need it. Next would be building a structure to support your crossing, and the last step would be doing it.
I’m way late to this diary and comments.
But dawg it’s thorough solid thru and thru.
YOUR comment PH, was stellar.
Let’s start with this:
Yep, class war. And Obama was placed to run and win to perpetuate that and the status quo.
Then there’s yer close which begs to be repeated thru out the land over and over again:
That’s so spot on I wish I had wrote it.
Great, great comment.
As others said, it’s a diary unto itself.
Well done and thanks.
I’m gonna do a Seminal Diary about my angst, worry, concerns about FDL/Seminal.
Your comment, and Mz. Hamsher’s two recent diaries are the motivation for me to exalt all things FDL/Seminal, yet once again.
And Mz. Hamsher, I can’t begin to describe my joy that Mz. Huffington has brought you to her pages over the years, but especially my joy for her to feature your last two efforts there.
Because they are fucking brilliant and stick it up the wahoo of those who need it stuck up into the most.
*G*
Don’t let up Mz. Hamsher, the fucks are on the run and yer mobilizing yer base!
Either the Dem’s listen to us or we go elsewhere and start a 3rd party revolution.
Sadly, our species circumstances and those of us not rich in this nation are in great peril.
And the forces of inevitability are at work as we humans and USA have driven us into an abyss I’m not sure we can overcome.
But dang Mz. Hamsher, you sure gave this Pup a few things to chew on and hope for, just by callin shit for what it s.
*G*
So lets set a goal, how about everyone who can, buys a new electric car in the next three years, 90% replacement in 5 years and 100% in 10. Can we turn over that quickly?
I bet we can. I bet it also would be a huge boost to our economy, maybe the whole world. After all, our economies are all tied together.
Thank you, Larue. You’ve been a rock star.
The votes to get rid of the filibuster were there if he had tried to get that done in January 2009 before his inauguration. The country was falling apart. He could have gotten anything he asked for from Reid then. Once the FBuster was gone, he has the votes for almost anything he really wants to do.
After asking the why-didn’t-they-do-things-this-way question for the 100,000th time, you have to adopt an apolitical, non-logical mindset to figure out what the fundamental driver behind the decisions that govern democrats is. There has only been one explanation that I’ve found that consistently explains their bizarre behavior. Democrats are spending all their time fundraising and fulfilling promises to donors. They don’t appear to even care about politics. Legislation is written for them. They don’t have to do anything, except show up and vote the way they’re told. Hell, it’s clear that most of them don’t even understand the legislation. Listen to Alan Simpson (yes, he’s a Republican) or Maxine Waters in hearings. They don’t have a frickin’ clue. I listened to Barbara Boxer in a debate last night and her comments were warmed over Bill-Clinton-left-a-surplus-And-George-Bush-spent-it repeats. There’s no nuance or logic or common sense left in American politics save for what we find on blogs. The ideas on blogs, however, are only relevant to democrats insofar as they threaten their ability to take money. Other than that, democrats don’t give a shit what people are talking about on blogs. They don’t even care what centrists like Joan Walsh are saying.
AMAZINGLY INSIGHTFUL !!!