
With apologies to Harry Truman, the left can be your friend--just not this kind of friend. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
The primary value of Peter Daou’s piece on liberal bloggers yesterday was that it named names, and it gave outlets like Politico an excuse to link to something. Although journalists won’t say so publicly because they’ve been told such things “off the record,” they well know who gets under the skin of people at the White House. And that’s why things said by Glenn Greenwald, or John Aravosis, or on FDL consistently get picked up in the media as prime examples of the “professional left.” We hear about it when they call us for comments, or when they want to book us to respond.
Daou’s piece offered a good rundown of some of the issues, but it got a lot of notice principally because it appeared at the right time, and the list of suspects was accurate enough that people said “it’ll do” as a source for what they already knew but couldn’t say.
However, I disagree that what Obama is experiencing has to do with people on the left “turning” on him. I think he may perceive it that way, but in reality he’s just living through the phenomenon of being President in an era of “big data,” where passionate issue advocates can communicate with each other directly and immediately.
What Obama is facing, which other presidents have not, is moment-by-moment online documentation of the distance between his words and his actions by issue advocates on his own side. The right never held up any such yardstick to George Bush, and, when they did criticize him, it was usually in rant form. Greg Sargent has a good rundown of the various camps that often get conflated in the discussion of the “professional left”, but what they have in common that George Bush-era conservatives did not is the practice of detailed process scrutiny. Thus, the right never really presented the challenges for Bush that the online left has for Obama.
In September of 2009, I wrote a piece on Obama’s speech to a joint session of Congress called Trapped In the Gap Between Action and Rhetoric:
As long as the President keeps expressing his support for a public option, [we] can quite rightly say that we’re only insisting on something Obama himself endorses, something he campaigned on.
Of course, the actions of the White House betray quite a different intent. The deals they have negotiated with health care industry stakeholders do not include a public plan, they don’t believe they can back out of them without triggering a rush of lobbyist money to GOP coffers. At some point there will be a day of reckoning when the public understands that the public option is gone. The White House wants to stop their opponents — and let’s face it, progressives who are insisting on the inclusion of a public plan are at this point their opponents — from being able to exploit that gap. Because every day that goes by the base gets more and more wedded to the promise of a public plan, encouraged by the positive rhetoric of the President himself. And it becomes that much harder for the White House to extract itself from the double bind they have created without paying a huge political price.
We boxed Obama in, quite consciously, and did it in a way that would not have been possible before the internet. It made it almost impossible for him to successfully claim a progressive “victory” on health care, the signature piece of legislation of his presidency. And it bothers him no end — which is why he keeps mentioning it every time he engages in hippie punching.
Commenter Solerso recently wrote a pithy summation of the entire public option campaign:
The campaign for the public option was not actually a campaign to get the PO. It was but most realized fairly quickly that wasn’t going to happen. So it was really about exposing the lies and duplicity of a WH which “negotiated” with Phara [sic] and the insurance industry, to give them everything they wanted, then blame it on the repubs, or joe lieberman, or the stars, whatever. Obama has never, WILL never forgive the left for that. For not falling in line to make him look good, instead of doing what we’ve always done.
The last piece is important. This IS what the left has always done. We’re just doing it in a different place, and with a different tool set that is much more efficient at breaking through the barrier that traditional media historically erected between elite action and public awareness.
In the past, presidents have been able to say they were doing one thing while doing another, and then hiding the details in an opaque process that the media neither understood nor cared to report. Liberal bloggers now used new media to explain those details and communicate them directly to people who care about a particular issue. Look at the comments section of any major media outlet’s website. You’ll see people talking about the “catfood commission,” “Dan Choi,” “Obama’s assassination program” or his “PhRMA deal” or the fact that he “sold out” the public option. That didn’t start on Meet the Press.
The people who care about particular issues take resonant bits of information and lay them at the feet of traditional media figures every day. I know I’ve personally tweeted “someone should ask Robert Gibbs X” only to hear a reporter actually do it hours later. It creates a rapid feedback cycle in the media that is much more difficult to control by practicing the “access” journalism that has been a mainstay of most recent administrations.
But the Obama White House is mistaking the symptom for the disease. These things only resonate with readers because people care about these issues, and individual bloggers develop followings to the extent that they reflect what large numbers of people are thinking and feeling.
The White House has viewed this as a war of personality cults, and thus their response has consistently been to try and discredit their critics rather than address their concerns. Most of these criticisms have been leveled not because change is happening “too slowly,” as Obama would have people believe, but rather because he appears to have completely reversed many of the positions he took on the campaign trail. Obama’s own words have been the most powerful tool against him in the battle for LGBT rights, civil liberties, health care or Social Security.
But the White House campaign went into overdrive when the President, the Vice President, Bill Clinton and Robert Gibbs entered the fray. The President is now making a direct appeal to his supporters to go after his critics, and they are faithfully regurgitating his talking points and attacking the “non-believers” across the internet in an attempt to shoot the messenger.
It’s sort of a “techno-Pravda” game plan.
It’s hard to believe that at this point in the election cycle, with so much on the line, that the President and his staff are obsessively focused on mauling a group of people almost nobody has ever heard of. To the extent that bloggers have any influence, it is with people who already care about civil liberties or health care or LGBT rights, and they supported Obama because he said he did too. When they feel that there is evidence that his convictions are not sincere, they choose the issue over the man. It has nothing to do with attachment to personalities.
It is so very beneath the office of the President of the United States to be engaging in this kind of activity that it defies description. Obama betrays his core supporters by launching them into a petty, mean-spirited mauling of the people who won’t subvert their issue advocacy in order to cheer for him. He’s like the kid in junior high who tries to hide his childish motivations by professing higher goals. But nobody, and I mean nobody, thinks that hectoring voters will get them to the polls. That is quite obviously not the objective here.
Choosing to apply the resources of the Democratic elite in this personal face-saving campaign, at this time, is a truly pharaonic move.
But more to the point, this strategy of “attacking the messenger” represents a complete misread by the White House of the dynamics at play. As Melissa McEwan states so eloquently, the people who care about progressive issues haven’t changed. And the only thing that will bring them around is when Obama matches his actions up with his rhetoric.
No campaign to “shoot the messenger” is ever successful when there’s an endless supply of people willing to fill his (or her) shoes instantly. People whose families are being deported, people who can’t get married, people who aren’t getting the medical attention they need are not going to stop caring about these thing. And none of them will be moved in the slightest by a campaign waged by elites to paint them as “ingrates.”




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Back in the early Bush years when W lied, I would yell at the tv. Now when O lies, I come to the Lake to chat with a bunch of people who witnessed the same lie. Times are different.
The point is that this administration needs to act differently if it expects energetic support from the base. Adapt or die. Figuratively, of course.
right or wrong, Daou is perceived by many to be the ‘conscience’ of the online left – I really liked what he had to say about ‘those bloggers’, their actions, and motivations
it may not be news at this venue, but it was a well laid out, much needed reminder for others
There’s a whole of “party like it’s 1992″ going on.
some commenter, yesterday :D
One of the many things they don’t understand. The posts they find so meddlesome are usually the product of community interaction, and not of one person speaking. They think they’re attacking an individual, but it’s more often an expression of the ideas & sentiments of lots of people that one person took the trouble to compile.
very well said Jane, I thought during the 2008 campaign that Obama understood this new dynamic much better that others, but it certainly doesn’t seem to be the case now…
It seems like a team of pod people are inhabiting the bodies of those who campaigned so successfully in 2008.
I guess it goes to show that the people who work well in the midst of adulation can be incapacitated by its absence.
thats a very nice way of saying the Obama White House is throwing a tantrum because their supporters are upset…
I am getting tired of hearing the White House whine about how the Left gives them no love…
Yes.
This.
A 7 or 8 year old cannot possibly understand what was happening or why during the 60′s. Children at the time could not yet comprehend the implications of being drafted or the murders of MLK and RFK in the wake of the murder of JFK.
Now, as middle-aged adults, I find their judgment of “hippies” and demonizing thereof, to be disgusting and stupid. Anyone who lived those times (older than childhood) knows that the peace movement, music, etc., was comprised of an enormous amount of people all over this country…far exceeding teapartiers for example. The majority of the hippie generation are still voting and still value peace, honesty, and compassion.
So, Obama (the 7 and/or 8 year old kid) is basically clueless about who he is attacking. He’s looking through the glass with a veil over it. Pity.
LS
Great piece, but its not only process which prevented the right from criticizing bush, its also that there is no source of information, or debate on the right, which is independent from the huge corporate public concesus factory, which serves the neo liberal establishment. the tea baggers can go on ranting about crazy meaningless factless shit but they are serving the same ideology as Ben Neslon Or Mitch Mconnel or Max Baucuss. They are part of the establishment noise and thought control machine, SO join the professional left! the only genuine alternative youve got!
Clinton’s presidency would have been completely different with blogs. NAFTA? Hahahaha!
Paranoia strikes deep…into your life it will creep…..
What Buffalo Springfield sang all of those years ago holds just as true today. It does things like making you believe that any criticism, deserved or otherwise must be people “turning on you”. Mr Obama, WE didn’t make the promises that you broke, YOU did.
ObamaCo want folks to fall in line and seem disturbed that folks won’t do what they are told to do. They forget (if they ever really know) that the left has never been willing to be the “salute smartly and charge up a hill” types they so love to be on the right.
The left doesn’t accept daily faxes of the talking points from the WH.
I often wonder about the meme that “we” represent only a small minority too. I think it’s bullshit.
Prior to the election in 2008, I could “feel” the momentum for Obama, and it centered around this “small minority.” And it turned out to be correct. Obama’s victory in 2008 really was significant (in terms of the net difference) given the Presidential races over the last 2 decades.
And now, this lack of enthusiasm (downright anger if you ask me) is just us small minority again, huh? Then why do the polls agree with us again?
I believe this country is a LOT more progressive and/or liberal than even progressives give it credit for. And if a set of real Democrats (or another party) realizes it and acts accordingly, I believe they’ll have that elusive “majority for a generation” that Karl Rove was so fond of achieving.
Ding.
its going to be EVEN worse if rethugs take back control of the congress… i think its finally registering with BO that he needs those bloggers they’ve been pointing fingers at… if folk who supported his election stay home – its a done deal with any agenda he may still want to pursue… its ugly everywhere……..
Spot on as always, Jane. Let’s also not forget that the grifter always reserves his anger at the mark when the con is blown.
Outstanding post, Jane.
What Margaret said.
I agree with you on the substance of issues, but it does seem to me that most of the left has always fallen in line regarding voting. The Democrats learned they could take the votes of the left for granted because we mostly did fall in line on election days.
I think that may be somewhat different this time. Or am I misremembering the past?? I know in 2000 there was a large contigent of the left that abandoned the party, but I thought that election was the exception, not the rule. What do you think?
Right on.
This is icing on your wonderful essay Jane.
Thank you.
Well and truly said, Isls>
DW
Authoritarians R Us. Not.
However the liberals or the bloggers vote is not as important as the opportunity Jane,we and others are seizing to get the truth out. One that the pundits and the WH cannot distort.
And that’s gotta drive ‘em nutz.
The next step for Obama in his hippie-punching campaign is to kill off Net Neutrality… Obama will be begging for Waxman to fasttrack his Google-Verizon handout bill as soon as the Nov elections are over. After all, if you can’t shoot the messenger, see that no one gets the message.
Ain’t it great.
Fuckin’ Waxman.
Obama asked his supporters to hold him accountable.
We have been doing so.
But a lot of the recent “get over it” rhetoric from Obama et al isn’t saying stop criticizing Obama and holding him accountable. It’s orthogonal to that – it’s saying regardless of Obama’s actions you don’t have much ability to enforce accountability for them, and if you elect a Republican congress it will only be worse.
Relieving Congress of pesky Blue Dogs is worthwhile. But a congress dominated by circus acts is going to be worse for progressives than one with a great deal of corporatist domination.
I’m thinking OFG, that unless these corporate asshats change their ways and quickly, 2000 will become the rule for future elections.
One of the areas that the D party has always relied upon the left for is fund raising and GOTV – that is, the ground troops needed.
There are probably a lot of folks on the left who will not vote for a D this year. There are also a lot of folks on the left who WILL hold their nose and pull the lever next to some of the D names just because the alternative is so truly frightening but they will do so reluctantly and will not do any of the other ground work needed.
Yeah, another one I was wrong about. I used to consider him one of the “good guys”.
Good analysis per usual, Jane, and good commentary, per usual.
As yellowsnapdragon said @1, I think many of us who post regularly at fdl and other blogs have felt this way for years; yelled at our tvs; I personally voted for Nadar in ’96 out of abject loathing for what Clinton was doing.
In other words, I didn’t “just” start feeling this way, and no offense, but Jane Hamsher hasn’t gotten me in some kind of leftie-plot “mind control.” I think what’s refreshing and relief to many who blog in places like this it that there ARE others out there – beyond the spin & hype & lies & b.s. & vapidity of what passes for “mainstream nooz” – who see the same lies as lies, who appear to live in reality, rather than fantasyland, and who are truly citizens very concerned about the dire state of our nation.
We’re not some ranting T-partiers mindlessly shouting out the latest Koch/Murdoch talking point. We actually think, read, research, do our homework, and NOTICE exactly what’s going on.
Somehow this escaped ObamaCo’s notice; I *guess* they thought the leftie bloggers were just a bunch of authoritarians who could be “whipped” into shape (which seems to be the goal of a certain orange website). But hey guess what? We’re not easily “whipped” into shape, and we know our civil rights (such as they are right now). And many of us are “a certain age,” and we’ve all been here before (many times).
So yes: I think ObamaCo really deeply misunderstood left blogistan, and badly miscalculated that when he said (numerous times) “hold my feet to the fire,” we actually took him at his word and did just that. Perhaps, too, they’re a little gobsmacked at how much we actually “get” in terms of what’s really going on? I dunno; seems like that Wash DC/Oligarch bubble has really bamboozled them, not us.
Won’t get fooled again….
From the Wapo0 PostTech this afternoon: Waxman says net neutrality bill dead, FCC should assert regulatory authority
I had doubts about Obama, and never voted for him. But I did sincerely hope he would turn out to be a terrific President — we sure need one to repair the damage done by Bush. Saddest of all, his eloquence is no longer effective now that we know we can’t believe a single thing he says. That was his greatest strength, the ability to inspire people after eight years of listening to an inarticulate dunce.
Bottom Line: Obama lies. Maybe they all lie but Clinton never considered himself to be a transformational figure. When the chosen one lies, it makes news. What’s even more pathetic is bringing back the Clinton administration to run the government. Maybe if Clinton were president Rahm would have worked out well. As it is, he has been the worst chief of staff in modern presidential history.
The entire interest and blaming of “professional” bloggers is nothing more than a way to dodge facing Obama’s just plain incompetence. Of course, his team’s incompetence also.
You and the other bloggers and contributors here on FDL have nothing to do with what is being complained about.
It is kind of like saying the music critic is responsible for Taylor Swift not hitting her notes on the Grammy Awards.
I think the left base has been moving in this direction for years, but the internet has given us the ability to communicate better with one another, so that better planning is possible.
Definitely the “Democratic PTB” fully expected us dfh’s to “fall in line” and pull the lever for the D’s. Not necessarily what’s gonna happen.
I don’t know why they’re all sweating bullets cuz they’ll all just sweet high paying corporate jobs if they lose. It’s really a no-lose situation for them, as far as I can tell. So, it would seem to me that all this hippy punching is yet more: Kabuki Show!
Well put. I quite agree.
It’s pretty pathetic.
The D’s are R lights and they take for granted vast blocks of voters regardless of the fact that Obi has been a rightwing corporate shill. Without a viable alternative they figure people will yet again hold their nose and vote D because R is even worse. Ya know the lessor of two evils.
We need to vote 3rd party of not vote or write in in huge numbers. We need to organize a message that these thugs can understand. We ain’t enabling your lying ways no more.
the other “greatest generation” and I mean that in complete love and gratitude. Watched a grest documetary about Woodstock on the Anniversary, almost couldnt stop crying. For sooo many reasons
Great post Jane.
What really floors me about all of this is the President and his henchmen have just handed you the world’s largest megaphone.
Every time they punch a hippie, the MSM cackles with glee and promptly rushes out to help spread the word, but in the process you get interviewed and quoted and the word spreads further and further.
Obama is literally giving those he disparages a hand up on the platform to stand beside him in order to chastise him publicly.
It makes no sense. I’m fairly certain that not only is Obama not capable of winning at chess (in any dimension), I wouldn’t give him very good odds to draw at tic tac toe.
Wasn’t this touted, repeatedly, as the gang that really understood new media? Weren’t MSM articles always going on about the savvy use of new communications models? Maybe it was just superficiality, like kids who know how to make computers do something but have no idea how any of it works. And when it doesn’t work, they’re surprised–and don’t know how to fix it. Intellectualism can be skin deep, too.
it sounds like you have them looking your way, negotiate with them? What can you get?
From what I’ve seen so far, gridlock looks OK.
What Isis said.
Sadly, seems like we are fighting the same battles as back in those days. Does it ever end?
“Obama asked his supporters to hold him accountable.”
Reminds me of that Senator from Colorado who invited the press to follow him around — and so they did and that ended him.
truly outstanding—clear-headed and full of insight as to our President’s bizarre and petulant behavior. Thanks, Jane.
Yes that was his strength. But now that most of his words have been shown to be lies his greatest strength is now ineffective. I wonder how they think he’s going to win re-election. I’m pretty sure he can toss our Virginia’s electoral votes. I don’t think he’ll be getting those next time around. Same with North Carolina and Indiana. How do they think they’re going to get him re-elected without that greatest strength. Sometimes it seems they intentionally want this to be a one term presidency.
not real sure i agree with you on this wmd. true crazies like sharon angle probably won’t be able to get much of their agenda done. Obama is most likely going to CatFood SS with or without a Dem majority no matter what happens in Nov.
The real test comes after 2012, if Obama continues on this path of corporate toadyism (which shows no signs of abating) and we primary him or he decides not to run ala LBJ (which is the only comparison w/ Obama that i agree with in Jim’s diary)- and then the crazies take over. Put this way, things suck now, they will suck no less after Nov, and will probably suck very badly after 2012 – but maybe by that time we will have a bona-fide national Progressive movement that has either pulled the soul of Democratic Party back from the Dark Side or has established a viable Third Party as an alternative.
They found it a great tool for raising small donations and getting their message out. They never thought that others considered it a great communication vehicle and that it would be used to criticize them.
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Bravissima! It’s a new generation– the “Real-Time Documentation Generation.” Now, can we get on with real democracy? Democracy – Leonard Cohen
That is what they WANT you to believe. That shifts the blame from the big O himself.
Fumbling, bumbling and now tumbling.
Here’s a great example that has nothing to do with Rahm.
Obama decides he wants to get the Mid east peace talks going by making settlements a high profile issue to begin. This “policy” gives only three possible outcomes.
1. Israel accepts and is humiliated
2. Israel rejects (as now) and leave Abbas to accept that refusal in humiliation.
3. Both decide to forego the humiliation route and just destroy the talks before they even begin.
THAT is total little league. And, nearly totally Obama’s idea.
How about H R Haldeman?
The point is, Jane, that we are working to enforce neutral principles and have them applied in policy and law. Things like:
I could go on. But the two examples I stated are neutral principles. They depend upon neither the person in office nor the party in power. They are wholly impersonal.
It’s like when I sat on a grand jury in a place I used to live. I wanted to know the name of the person who was up for an indictment so I could recuse myself if I knew them. After I was satisfied I didn’t know them, I didn’t care who they were, only what they were accused of and whether it violated the law.
Obama (and, I suppose, most pols) on the other hand, are all about the personal and personality. Who is all that matters and what is vanishingly close to irrelevant. Viz., e.g., the way Republicans can overlook all manner of sins by their people and none by a Dem. The pols’ emphasis on the personal, and ours on the impersonal, is what the pols cannot comprehend because they don’t have any perspective which would allow them to understand.
[I think the only pol in my lifetime who might have understood this was Bobby Kennedy, post 1963. But I digress.]
This lack of perspective explains why
Whan you’re all about the personal and personality, you have no impersonal principles. And our holding them to impersonal principles infuriates them no end.
God i hope that’s true Dak…that would be great news as long as the FCC doesn’t cave from its previous rulings
Excellent post Jane. I hope in the future you can write specifically about the ideologies and the actual one embraced by Obama.
The battle of ideas between progressives and DLCers needs to happen now. I think we’re ready for it, after seeing the damage done.
- Tom
He’s reportedly a good poker player. But poker and chess In any number of dimensions) are pretty much incompatible – they require and reward wholly different ways of thinking.
You don’t get to chair a Committee for nothin’.
I don’t think we can even conceive of the 2012 environment. It will be nothing like what we imagine it will be, I’m afraid.
Jane!
Thank you for expressing so succinctly and concisely what so many people feel! Poor President Obama! if only everyone were blind, he truly could be the one eyed king.
I think the Dems are just catching up to the modern era and it is really painful for them. The GOP has had talk radio for decades, on top of that the message is pretty easy: tax cuts, polite, and sometimes not so polite, racism, and deregulation. Throw in some Jesus and foreign policy bedwetting and you have a pretty easy message and you have a pretty big megaphone. So the GOP has a base that is pretty solid in it’s views and it has politicians that at least have to talk the talk.
The internet is fairly new with regards to politics. Blogs came into their own pointing out the excesses of the Bush administration and this is the first time that the left has had a Democrat to observe. The Dems are playing this like they can totally control the message via the news outlets, but they don’t understand that people don’t get their news that way. Hell I never watch the news, mostly because its 1) short 2) incomplete and 3) talks about non issues.
They also think that this is a team sport, the Republicans are a team, so why aren’t we? Because we think. Our issues are harder to understand, the simple gut reaction to “blow em up” to any foreign policy threat is an easy worldview, but we see the consequences of the act making us less safe in the long term. We dont just say empty phrases, but we mean exactly what we say. When the base screamed for the PO, it meant it. When LGBT protesters boo the president, they mean it.
They need to wake up to the modern era that no one loves them. The corporation will get more from the GOP in the long run, and they are all hat when it comes to their base. Time for the Dems to decide what they want to be.
And to win at poker you have to be a damn good liar. I can see how that would be his game.
BTW, excellent comment at 56, really really excellent.
Thanks for this bit of clarity. And your fourth para is a great example of what authoritarianism is all about.
Late to the party, but just wanted to say that this is a wonderful and clear expression of what is going on. Also want to add that many of us who are being verbally pummeled by our petulant leader and his sycophants — well, we are also parents of those disaffected youngsters whom we encouraged to support him just a while back! I won’t be pushing my kids to get involved and get out the vote this time.
Superficial. A presaging of their inability to think anything all the way thru. Their process is to let the invested industries write the bill, nail the title, call it wonderful. Slapdash, my mother used to call it. We elected the guy holding the middle of the floor in the faculty lounge bull sessions.
Apparently Obama doesn’t know that we elected him to serve us, not the other way around. Otherwise, he would know that being an American president is about being a slave to the American people, not being a master over them.
the only thing Obama understood about the internet was that Facebook gets him on the Gen Y radar.
I wonder if perhaps it’s becoming a device to get media attention, and energize other voters. Are we becoming scapegoats?
I liked candidate Obama much better. I liked the things he said, the speeches….
It was so positive, so encouraging.
He caused thousands to chant, and believe, Yes We CAN!!
It was great! I really felt so good watching him.
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Now…
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Not so much. In fact, it’s painful how much the lies, avoidance, excuses, finger pointing all fail to say anything like Yes We Can.
It’s no we can’t. It’s going to take time. Republican obstructionism is blocking progress.
Can I get just one YES WE CAN!? Prior to the election?
Just one?
(I watched Zombieland last night and I feel like Talahassee looking for a Twinkie. Just One?!)
Fired up?
no.
Ready to Go?
no.
Yes we can to no we can’t. I’d put this comment in every thread I read if doesn’t bother people. I think it’s a stark contrast worth remembering.
Sorry I’m late this is a great post
Outright lying is one thing, but I think poker is more rewarding of good bullshitters. The distinction between lying and bullshitting being that a liar’s story depends on the truth being extant somewhere and somehow in relation to his story, while the bullshitter’s story is of the whole cloth.
Nixon made a shitload of money playing poker in the Navy during WWII – enough to set him up once he got home. And he had a reputation as a good bluffer, too.
In chess, everything is out in the open, too.
Sorry I’m late too, just fantastically well said Jane.
I totally agree. Remember how Kucinich always won the blind polls on the issues. And Obama knows this. Why do you think he campaigned as a liberal? Because he knows that’s what the country wants. So he deceived everybody.
The country is Waaaaaaay left of Obama. But he does not serve the country. He serves the Oligarchy.
Another excellent point ; )
Of course, that may be part of the problem, maybe he thought he was holding his cards close to his vest in the PhARMA and AHIP deals, but turns out the folks over his shoulder blabbed.
Funny how a guy who wants to hide all sorts of things from the public is obsessed about hoovering up every last bit of information that exists on Americans. Maybe he’s not a good enough judge of other people to be able to read his opponents without cheating ; )
That’s the danger for this White House and the legacy parties: It’s more than just a few individuals, who may be political or intellectual virtuosos who have principles and a will to speak their minds, a counter-public has emerged which has more than a few capable individuals, which regenerates itself, which is centered nowhere but which is nearly everywhere, which has relatively low barriers to entry and participation and which cannot be controlled or corrupted in ways that are invisible and cost effective. Thanks to the counter-public, the political oligarchs must now consider the feedback they receive from a public which, through the use of the internet, can rationally deliberate on the actions of a public institution and the leaders of that institution.
It’s no wonder knuckledraggers like Emanuel and Gibbs hate the ‘professional left,’ the professional left merely publicly displays Dorian’s portrait. They should go and spin no more…
I’ve been thinking that too.
Obama is going to get his revenge by killing the internet.
Excellent article!
So, what now?
What’s the principled right thing to do now?
That’s the crazy thing. Why would anyone draw all that media attention to a battle between themselves and progressive bloggers like that? I mean, okay, but I’m more worried about the failure of leadership this represents. It reflects a really narrow and a very personally oriented worldview within which priorities are set. And the guy is, you know, the President of the United States. At a pretty critical time.
Give a man a little power, and you’ll soon find out how small he is.
The cynical and craven can’t tolerate too much sunlight. That’s a shame. The internet wasn’t invented subsequent to the President’s inauguration. Neither are bloggers a new phenomenon. These attacks are all bullshit. The WH is filled with frightened people. Bad mid-terms, the likelihood of a one term presidency, and looming “place in history” nightmares.
They blew it. I’m not sure a reversal is possible.
My demographic, white working class male, left the party in droves when Clinton sent our jobs to Mexico. We didn’t “fall in line”. We used to be the most loyal member of the coalition. Now we are “whats the matter with Kansas”.
** standing on chair, clapping **
I love it when you swing for the fences, Jane — home run, bases loaded, everybody home safe. Terrific explanation of what’s happening and what’s wrong with what’s happening.
Go back and read mine @56 upthread.
Barry’s been The Golden Child One since he was a little kid and is so accustomed to people sucking the crap out of his behind and telling him it is fine vanilla ice cream that he cannot comprehend it not happening. His whole bipartisanship schtick was predicated on the Repugs recognizing his superiority and bowing down in worship (as did the Dems in large part during the campaign). And he repeated his overtures to the Repugs when they did not instantly respond. We are seeing a tantrum of three-y/o proportions b/c his ego has been questioned, not even bruised.
Jane great post, however I tend to think @ this juncture their motive isn’t just too punch all of us hippies, but to also suppress the D vote. It seems counter-intuitive, but is it really? A GOP house would be easier for him to do business with in some respects since they are already openly a wholly owned subsidiary of the Oligarchs and their Corps. So no need for the elaborate kabuki theater anymore and as an added benefit he can sign all of their regressive legislation while all the while blaming us for not fighting for more D’s in Congress and blaming the Gopers for forcing him do their bidding. Clinton in retrospect played this game back in the 90′s and got away with it because no real Internet blog-sphere existed yet and speeds on the Net back then were so slow as to render it more a curiosity and a part of geek-world then a mainstream media tool like today. A GOP House would give him a ready made foil to run against in 2012 and the more regressive and tea party like the better. Granted, what I’m proposing is a pretty cynical strategy, but what does he have to lose? The absolutely worst thing that could happen to him would to have to face a Progressive D Congress that is trying to force him to confront his real bosses on Wall st. and in the MIC.
That’s a key insight into this guy. EVERYTHING is personal to him. It’s not the questioning of his accomplishments that is getting to him. It’s the questioning of his integrity.
When Obama was campaigning he had to know what people wanted from him. How else would he have come up with phrases that brought people cheering to their feet? He gave speeches of hope and change that attracted massive crowds everywhere he appeared.
So, even though he clearly had to know what people wanted from him, he entered Opposite Land after he was elected. He knew what we wanted, he knows he didn’t give it to us (or even a close approximation), so how can he be surprised when people are angry?
Unplugged: Obama Threatens Base @ RT (Russia Today) with Alyona:
http://www.youtube.com/thealyonashow#p/u/5/j4p8ox07DDU
just a wild assed guess, but methinks their internal polling shows an absolute disaster looming in Nov, and it’s probably specially nightmarish for the Blue Dogs – that more than anything may explain Rahm’s interest in the Chicago mayor’s job these past several months.
Truman did say it best: “when faced with a choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the Republican all the time.”
So true. Bone up on your pirate short wave stevo.
it is ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO VOTE so that you stay at the table. You can do a write in, a 3rd party, or whatever,,, but if you turn away, there will be no reason to try and reach you. They depend on people letting others decide for them. They interpret a shrinking voter base as meaning everyone not voting is happy the way it is. By showing you make the effort to vote you are welding power in numbers. That is also why I also give $5 to the national Dems and the national GOP each year, so I will be kept on their mailing list to respond with comments. Otherwise, it is as if you don’t exist. Sort of like this blog. You can yell at the TV, but no one will care but the people in the other room who can hear you.
Hubris.
Now that is quite the coda to this fine sonata!
BRAVA!
Very well said. That is exactly the way I think about the impact of online communities on politics.
Great stuff.
or just under the thumb of rambo a la bush under turdblossom…. just a sad situation
Well said, and thanks, Sister Jane, the ability to bust the info ops of the elite even as they’re trying to get them off the ground is my single favorite thing about teh Internets.
This is the topic I’m always on about. Over the last few decades, we’ve been subjected to weapons-grade PR intended to herd us off to wars, or failing that, to turn on each other, among other notorious tactics, to such an extent that “American public opinion” on many matters is about as valid as the confessions we torture out of detainees.
So when people ask why Americans don’t do more, and call us sheeple and worse, I like to remind them that coercion and psy ops have a lot to do with our so-called apathy. We, through the Pentagon alone, have spent a lot of our taxpayer-dollars on mind-fucking ourselves into believing whatever it takes to gin up the next war, all in the name of “good governance,” I’m sure. It’s no wonder so many of us are nucking futs.
So the next time you, my fellow fierce firedogs, hear others failing to incorporate this very significant fact into their narratives, I hope you’ll bust their chops but good.
Remember, it takes a whole lot of their effort, and our own money, for them to be able to do the voodoo they do to us on a regular basis. The APA has done so much to weaponize psychology, it’s only right that we give the devils their due.
Shorter Professional Left to Dem Powers That Be: We’ve seen through your masks, and We are not amused, let alone going to vote for your sorry asses.
Great post, Jane. And a magnificent piece by Peter Daou as well. Thank you both.
Obama came back into the Oval to make the point after the interview was over and he had left the room. This presents a problem, I think.
Everything Obama does is to promote the “Obama” brand.
He does not care about the American people or the Democratic party and will happily throw either of them under the bus if it will help his own political career.
Nothing he does is puzzling if you look at it throw that perspective.
Something else that really bothers me is that this hectoring is definitely on purpose.
So yes, there can be the purpose of laying blame for a future electoral result, and I get that.
But where is the other asset deployment, so-to-say? The WH is sitting on a tool box with many tools in it. Why only use this hammer, because all their problems aren’t nails.
I’ll rebut that; this isn’t a case of his age denying him any familiarity with the culture war of the 1960s. Obama and I are about one year apart in age. And I can recall the moment when I became a member of the left, as a tiny grade school student.
It was reading the expose by Sy Hersh along with the photographs by Ronald Haeberle of My Lai in LIFE magazine in 1969. They seared into my brain just how wrong that war was. My opinion was already molded by years of Walter Cronkite telling us every evening how many were killed, wounded, missing that day in Vietnam.
Obama would also have been in his tweens/teens during Watergate, which I also remember pretty well. It was another watershed which shaped opinion of people my age. We didn’t trust government to do the right thing or even obey the law; we learned the president wrongly believed he was above the law.
There’s simply no excuse for his demonization of the “professional left” because he should be right here with us sharing the same ideology. We’re right where we were in 2001-2008; where did he go off to on his own?
This should become a Progressive mantra, and should be used by progressive candidates in primaries and caucuses around the country.
Take Ian Welsh’s advice: take credit for bringing down the Dems. Make them fear you.
I hate to support the anti-American faction of Obama’s opposition, but wasn’t he living halfway around the world in Indonesia or someplace with his stepfather Soetoro while you and I were reading that Hersh piece in horror?
Yep. The self-destructiveness of it is mind boggling.
You really have to stop and think about the entire leadership team. They all signed off on this. And they are all delivering their prepared attacks on cue.
I get that Obama might be unaccustomed to criticism and that he resents it beyond reason. But surely the “political geniuses” that got him the office in the first place would have the sense to see a catastrophically bad political move when they see one.
The fact that this is hitting MSNBC and Politico and will undoubtedly continue unabated as long as the WH keeps this up, means that people will be hashing and rehashing Obama’s promises v. accomplishments in public until even the folks who nap through the evening news start asking themselves, “yeah, things didn’t go like they said they would, maybe we need someone new”.
It’s just unbelievable.
Was it his decision, or that of his handlers?
Because everybody is supposed to LOVE him. You got the memo, obviously you didn’t take it seriously enough.
Of course it’s on purpose: he needs someone to blame for his party’s reversal fortune in November. You certainly don’t expect him to blame himself or anyone he’d chosen to assist him, do you?
Also, see my #100.
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governmentObama is working exclusively for the benefit of the wealthy elites and could care less about improving the lives of the general citizenry. At the crux of the hippie punching is their desire to condemn any ideas or debate emanating from the serfs.fantastic essay and spot on.
as i read the daou piece, i was struck by two things: (1) the bloggers he mentions are the bloggers that i read religiously and (2) he was the one who introduced me to them. the daou report on salon.com was the reason i went to salon and i miss it. at first, i was a voyeur browsing the right column to read the day’s outlandishness from wignutville, but gradually i also read the left responses and became familiar with a group of writers/thinkers who helped me better understand our political/media landscape and who quite literally changed my mind.
what resonated most with me was in this post: “breaking through the barrier that traditional media historically erected between elite action and public awareness.”
though the 90′s and into the 21st century, i was a classically “informed” reader of the NYT and WaPo with some TeeVee for flavor. i bought most of the center, center right orthodoxy spit out by the media and i was just the sort of reflexively Democrat-supporting citizen Obama now craves, a pragmatic, winning-elections-is-what-matters, DLC-supporting kind of dude.
That all changed when i started reading the blogs featured on the Daou Report. In particular, i was drawn to the analysis of reporting in the major papers and TV. And the Valerie Plame affair really took the filter down. you guys were on fire, and i’ve never read or watched the same since.
jane, i’ve learned so much from reading you, glenn, marcy, digby, dday, blue texan, mcjoan, waldman, kos and others and i’m not going back no matter how much WE are belittled or falsely blamed. i suspect the same is true for more than we can count.
so, thank you peter daou!
This is the second post from Jane that I’ve read explaining these petulant outbursts from Obama, Biden & Gibbs. Many thanks to her and all the other bloggers of the Professional Left ™ who have called bullshit on this ridiculous eleventy-dimensional strategy to blame the base for Rethug electoral gains. What is impossible to stomach is the you’ll-eat-that-shit-sandwich-and-like-it message that’s been consistently delivered ever since the FISA vote. Never in the history of this country has a political party told it’s base of support to donate time and money, show enthusiasm and GOTV — but expect absolutely nothing that you want in return. Because you’re too fucking retarded to understand that what you want is unpalatable to the very important people who actually run things. Between the Rethugs and the Corporatist Dems, our country is descending into fascism. Nothing will change until there is a third, independent Progressive Party to promote our candidates and policies.
Wait a minute.
Trotsky was the professional left.
Jane Hamsher? She’s just a smart little progressive lady. Lay off.
I think maybe to stir up conflict, get media attention, and thereby increase turnout, and bring conservative voters to support Democrats. I don’t know this for certain, of course–maybe someone with more access can find out–but it’s very much like the “inch to the right of Hilary” strategy of the Presidential election.
Right but that’s just more hammer/nail. And I know it’s on purpose.
I’m saying where are the other tools they have, and why are they not being used?
You’re right Jane, it makes no sense for the POTUS to engage in a pissing contest with a bunch of Hippie Bloggers, its not “Presidential” – except this is the narrative they will use to explain why they lost Congress so badly in Nov.
We are being set up as the fall guy because the DLC dead enders in charge of Dem leadership are afraid they’re losing their hold on the party. Why else was Dean kicked out of the DNC chair? Why else were Clinton retreads like Rahmbo, Summers, and Geithner named to such powerful and influential positions from the very beginning. Why else did Mr. Post-Partisanship court Republican douchebag Judd Gregg to be his Commerce secretary? What else explains the HCR sellout, and every other promise broken by The. Most. Dishonest. White House. Ever.
These SOB’s aren’t stupid; they can read polls and the polls have told them what they know all along – that the country is far more progressive than Washington DC and the corporate media want to admit. The polls also tell them (speculation alert) that their beloved Repub-lite Blue Dogs are going to be slaughtered come Nov – and they will have far less friends in the Party and Congress who will giftwrap easy neo-lib corporate sellout legislation for them (though Repubs may come through on that end if it involves gutting SS and Medicare/Medicaid). The blame game for party control has begun.
Let me offer an example.
OFA was HOT during the CO-SEN primary here. Wicked hot, and drove the Party Caucus choice, Romanoff totally out of the game.
Now, OFA is running half as hot, DURING THE GENERAL in a insane race here, after they’ve marginalized the local Dem apparatus. All my inbox gets is “Watch this Wisonsin Rally!” and crap like that.
OFA is being used quite selectively in my opinion. And if all this “Get In Gear” shit is so important, why is OFA in idle?
“weapons-grade PR”
I’m gonna remember that.
That is a good question.
Where’s the big inspirational “look what we’re gonna do in 2011″ jobs program? How do they plan to inspire people? Are they just afraid of their own shadows anymore?
Jane was just on PBS’s NewsHour. Firedoglake was mentioned by name.
That is really weird.
Brilliant dissecting of the complexities of this very public unravelling of the progressive-Obama Democatic Party alliance, Jane. What I have been increasingly struck by in watching Obama over the past 18 months is the preening and unswerving pursuit of celebrity acclaim he exhibits. And his arrogance. He seems to believe that he is Black Jesus–as apparently his reverent minions inside the WH refer to him quite admiringly. And man, he is none of that. So what does a narcissist like BO do when people document his lies and criminal actions? Why, he screams bloody murder that the progressive cheering section is causing the problems for him, rather than acknoeledging that it is his own actions that provoke and feeds this growing estrangement. Your analysis that the WH mistakenly sees this as a titanic battle between “personality cults” rather than relentless, fact-based issues advocacy and issues advocates holding him accountable–as he so fatously requested that we do–hots the nail on the head. And they will never accept that the problem is in themselves and their betrayals of all that they campaigned for in 2008. I think that the solution electorally is to flush the Dems wholesale. Take away their power. It is all they really care about as they need it to sell their offices and services to the highest corporate bidder. The GOP is not any worse. They are actually all the same.
Thank you so much Jane. I look for your posts here daily and love seeing you on television (more often would be great). Thanks again for explaining it to us folks that can’t read everything. Glennzilla, Howie Klein, Marcy, Digby and especially you are my heroes.
Compare the response of the left to FDR’s program, and the New Left’s response to JFK’s actions with regard to civil rights and LBJ’s Great Society.
It is indeed what the left has always done. And until the different tools appeared it was easier to muzzle, muffle, or shout down. It is the role of the left to get under the skin of the powerful. So we should not be surprised when there is an angry response, or was that a calculated angry response. Regardless, it creates a political space to the left of Obama into which some politicians can now safely move without getting the label of extremist or professional left.
The political tension between the left and the Democrats is healthy to the degree that the tenuous bond between them does not snap. Only then can Democrats be perceived as the centrists they are and have been since the birth of the Republic. Fulfilling the role of critical analysis and keeping engaged in the political process is going to be a big challenge for the left going forward. The first is necessary for democracy. The second is necessary to avoid being shut up. So when we get a reaction from the White House, we shouldn’t be offended or angry for we know that some part of the critical analysis has connected. That is much better than being ignored.
They are NOT afraid IMO.
Just like we are the same issues people, they are the same organizational people, and they have the same wants they always did.
So, what do they want?
Jane, your comments expose just how small the Obama team has become in their political strategies. And you are absoluely right that O resents being pinned to the wall by the left for killing the PO and playing patsy cake with the insurance and drug industries. Also, his duplicity has been exposed on a number of other issues, including financial reform and civil liberties. Now, of course, Chris Mathews thinks o has really accomplished more than anyone could have expected of a “progressive:|” president. He cites the most significant health care reform since Harry Truman (i don’t know what he thinks of Johnson and Medicare) and the tough financial legislation he pushed through congress. I fear the ball is getting a bit mushy for Tweety.
Is it asking too much to expect the President to keep his word? Affordable healthcare. Women’s rights. Marriage equality. Serve you country proudly and without having to lie to do it. Don’t pay off bankers’ gambling debts with taxpayer dollars. Don’t continue to kill the innocent in unlawful wars that we started. Don’t murder, torture or falsely imprison U.S. citizens and call it lawful. Don’t take money from corporations in exchange for letting them rip-off U.S. citizens.
It’s not too much to ask this of a President. It’s the right thing to ask.
I’m glad you and FDL and Digby and Glenzilla and ActBlue and OpenLeft and Arianna speak truth to power regardless of who is in power. I thank you for it.
You think he missed the anti-American sentiment and news about the Vietnam war while he was attending school in Asia?
Or Watergate, which happened while he was attending school in Hawaii?
Let’s not forget what being a non-white in America might do to one’s opinions, let alone a “hapa” (half-and-half) in Asia or Hawaii.
Understood, however, you were too young to be a hippie, and that is what I was aiming at. I was only 11 when JFK was murdered, and I understood and was extremely upset about that reality, but I now know that there is no way I related to it the way I would have as an adult. No offense regarding age intended, because we are who we are and respond based on many factors in life. More a matter of how we interpret history at different times in our lives. I don’t imagine that you would cut down hippies, but Obama and crew have.
LS
Jane, well done. One of the best articles I’ve read in a long time. Bravo.
They work off of a script. They feel ambushed. They have been forced into improvising, and they’re very, very bad at that. Their compass is broken and they’re fucking lost at sea.
The left has to double down, keep revealing their mendacity, and depravity. The curtain is being drawn back and they are panicking, as well they should.
So, Obama the Corporatist is telling us that we have to sell Obama the Progressive to the American people and that it’s irresponsible of us if we don’t? We should stop whining about him not being the guy he sold us in ’08?
Btw, why is it that no one else has stepped up to take point as a messenger of this administration’s agenda? We’ve seen this before, Obama being the only one willing or able to be the face of this administration’s policies.
And Obamco, just like Dorian Grey, fails to realize that with each hollow victory and disingenuous compromise, their portrait, like their soul, becomes ever more hideous and corrupt.
Jane’s post from yesterday was just referenced on CNN. Nice.
Agree with you completely. This Administration wants to lose at least one Congressional chamber. There’s nothing counterintuitive about it. It’s gotten totally embarassing to have to constantly explain why you can’t produce a single damn piece of legislation that appeals to your base when you hold majorities in both the Senate and the House. The rotating villian strategy has played out. And if the Dems are to continue with the pretense that they’re all FDR’s lineal descendents, and therefore nothing like the Rethugs & Teabaggers, they must avoid having the next big set of Progressive sellouts hung on them. Whacking/privatizing Social Security, starting some new wars, converting the Internet into cable tv — it’s got to be done by Rethugs even if it’s exactly what Obama wants. Otherwise the whole two party system starts to unravel as more people understand that both of them have been fully bought and paid for by the Corporations who actually run everything.
Harry S. Truman – the “S” didn’t stand for “Stupid”
And the megaphone gets bigger.
Obama’s vanity will be the end of him.
Not much I can hope for except maybe getting Jane to sign a copy of her collected brilliant essays when their published in book form.
I wonder if there’s a ‘deeper’ psychological motivation for Obama’s and his retinue’s hippie punching. Remember it was Hillary who identified herself with the MLK/RFK/Woodstock/McGovern ‘community’. It was Hillary in fact who got more votes than Barack during the primary campaign. Can anyone name a successful politician who isn’t vindictive?
What if Obama asks Jane to join his advisory council, or to replace Gibbs?
Obama’s organization doesn’t fully understand how new media is removing the hiding places. In a way it is rather like Gary Hart lying to the media about his girl friend.. there has been a rules change. There are no “shadows” to hide the lies in. Full and complete transparency is coming like the rising sun.
Barry is expecting KO and TRMS to bail him out.
It’s personality cult but it’s also process cult. I don’t believe Obama has any ideology. He’s a suit. He’s a vessel. He’s the ultimate pragmatist. The DLC thinks it’s all about process. It’s not. Clinton was the personality cult. He sold centrist mush in good times. That doesn’t work now. I will also blame blogs like Kos for being too obsessed with process. Maybe the White House really did sell itself that process is enough. Frames, memes, boutique issues. Not in bad times. I don’t think they get Jane. Jane is a throwback and hopefully a voice crying in the wilderness heralding the return of politics driven by values. Social justice, civil liberties are not archaic relics – yet.
And bigger ; )
Thanks for keeping us posted ; )
Glad you like it, plenty more where that came from ; }
(And other front-pagers, please remember to tip your commenters, some of us are the proverbial table-waiting aspiring thespians of the Web.)
What I do think he has forgotten, as even most of the left have forgotten, is that we’ve been here before, up against a Democratic president who persisted in fighting somebody else’s ill-conceived war.
The left served notice in 1962 with the Port Huron Statement, and the movement behind it gathered steam until it became the protests of the summer of 1968, and beyond until the Vietnam War ended.
We’re not at all unlike the Students for a Democratic Society — we just have better “printing presses” now, can operate in real time and we can eschew violence because we are more effective in our use of media. And we don’t have to meet in Port Huron, we are meeting right here in this virtual space in support of very similar causes – equality, equity, the reduction of international militarization and more.
Well, Team Obama reached right around us to 25,000 students at BadgerTown yesterday. I think there will be more of that: direct outreach, without the ‘filter’ of either Legacy Media or the professional left.
But punching hippies is favored in the Village: it’s what they get attaboys for when they go out drinking, or read Fred Hiatt’s birdcage liner. I wouldn’t underestimate their belief that this tool (the hammer) is working.
None of this is about a personality cult. This is about how we live our daily lives and the things we stand for. I won’t give up my principles for someone who makes pretty speeches.
If there’s a dime’s worth of difference between Dems and Repubs, dide, it’s getting thinner every day.
I think it means someone at HQ is fiercely guarding the email lists and doling out their use to favorites. And that, for some reason, perhaps his TV appearance seen at the time as dissing Obama, Bennet isn’t such a favorite anymore.
Frankly, I’d rather force him to keep his promises and deliver real change than end him. On the other hand, I don’t see why I should care about him losing power if he’s not going to do it.
I’m really just speculating; I have no explanation for the radical shift his personality seems to have undergone from the campaign to now. My actual working hypothesis is that he is terrified by the MIC and what they might do to him or his family.
Also: I believe Obama, in his quest to accomplish everything the previous Democratic president could not, has now decided he can thread the needle of a Boehner-controlled House, humiliating the GOP in their attempt to impeach him, thus winning re-election by a huge majority in 2012.
As was said a little earlier on CNN, we don’t have two parties. We have one Corporatist Party. Obama’s use of personality to sell a lemon branded as ‘liberal’ is no better than the shit Rove came up with to help Bush and co sell a lemon branded as ‘conservative.’
Yes.
Maybe Barry is a nerd or maybe he’s a neocon. Scary.
LS
Late to the party, I know. But, JANE! I used to think you were writing for us leftists — now I know you write for all of humanity. There is no way to express the zillions of thoughts of gratitude for your intelligence, wit, passion, and GRIT!
Jane, if you are still here – how did we do for Feingold? Just curious because this is a big one.
I wanna know where Tim Kaine will fit in the blame game.
I did my due diligence and he’s always been this way. He mostly talks, he mostly doesn’t walk. And everything, EVERYTHING, is calculated and calibrated. That’s his 11 dimensional chess game that so impressed people, but the game doesn’t go any further than that. There is no depth in action.
The term “captured” has been used before.
A year ago I was sure of it. Now? I have to wonder why one wouldn’t at least throw up a flare of some sort to let people know you’re hostage and to develop a Plan B.
Unless “hippie punching” is his way of saying he’s in trouble. Not a particularly effective way of getting across one’s cry for help. There’s little we can do except run out the clock on him.
Oh, and try to salvage the team which isn’t captured.
Who? Oh, Kaine. With luck, he’ll remain pretty much anonymous.
But that’s my point. What Obama is doing is spectacularly self-destructive.
It isn’t just bitching about us ingrates. It is giving Jane, Glen, EW, and company the world’s largest platform to air their grievances weeks before an election.
It is breathtakingly short-sighted. And has you noted yourself, FDL made PBS and CNN. We could never have done that on our own. Obama did that for us.
Obama would have been better served if he swallowed his pride, gritted his teeth, and pretended we didn’t exist. But his vanity wouldn’t let him. So now he’s picked a fight he cannot win.
I used to think we could force him to change course, the ridiculous “make him do it crap”, but he can’t change course because he cannot admit to having been wrong. And that will end his presidency. Vanity.
We’re on the same page. I don’t think he has to admit anything. He just has to start doing it going forward.
You ask:
You respond: “Mr. President, if you need me to be the voice of reason or a moral compass or something similar, you’re in worse trouble than anyone thinks.”
Yep. He could change my mind with a stroke of a pen (ok, several strokes), but I’m not holding my breath.
OFA goes into the Spam folder on my email account. Talk about cult of personality! They’re idolatrous.
TKai will throw car keys at us while he still has the job, but my guess is he’ll be fired upstairs somewhere…maybe an under-secretary Cabinet post. And then Obama selects Tom (never stood a lobbyist up for dinner) Daschle to run DNC…unless Obama goes all in and picks Daschle for Chief of Staff when Rahmbo leaves. Howard Dean back at DNC or anywhere close to the Party’s purse strings…when pigs fly.
IMHO, he believes this is a small group with radical views who are about to infect the MSM with their views. This is about preventing those views from gaining a deeper toehold. This is about splitting the “Professional Left” from his friends in the MSM. Thus, the praise for KO and TRMS.
Could Romanof have won, do you think? He certainly had better polls at the time.
Excellent post that really gets to the meat of the matter.
Z
We didn’t turn on him — he turned on us!
Maybe the First Lady’s alleged remark to First Lady Sarkozy that being First Lady of the US is hell was something like sending up a flare. On some level something’s not going well. Or, maybe that quote from Carla was a flat out lie.
Here, here! Don’t Tread on Me.
Then we’ll be back to Marcy’s Feuilleton.
I keep thinking of the George Bush line, “fool me once…”. Won’t get fooled again, Obama, no matter how many punches you throw in our direction. And you will never beat us into submission. You want our votes, do the right thing.
You know, it reminds me of that Michael Moore clip of Bush at some white tie affair where he said, “There’s the have’s and the have-more’s. You are the have-more’s — my base.” It sounded so personal when Bush said it.
Yep – not an incumbent, didn’t make a shady Wall Street deal that dinged Denver Pub Schools pensions, and well known to everyone here. Would be far feistier/electable than Bennet is as relates to Buck IMO.
And I’m supposed to “get in gear.” Meh.
I agree with that! At least we know he’s noticing liberals now. Maybe someday he’ll actually start listening.
I don’t think there’s a hair’s breadth of difference, myself.
could it be that people who are thinking and communicating about these issues so much are a weather bell, right in the middle of a trend? no way!
B I N G O
Z
I’d love to see it! But, as phred pointed out @ 164, it’s probably not a good idea to hold our breath.
Meanwhile, this Vice President needs to go f&*k himself. Obama should be accountable to the people who worked to get him elected based on the promise of his campaign. It’s not whining; it’s demanding accountability.
It’s not our responsibility to deliver for Obama.
It’s his responsibility to deliver for the American people.
So far, he’s failing big time.
can’t WAIT to see how this election turns out… its a lil peckish on the lake….
Well, there ya go. Good enough reasons to bump him.
At a superficial level, this one is easy to answer. Robert Gibbs has made hash of the communications between the White House and the corporate media. Biden has done some advocacy. Geithner has done lots of advocacy.
At a process level, Congress is so broken that having a public face for the administration is not as important as getting Democrats to support any policy initiative and stick together to have at least 218 votes in the House and 51 votes in the Senate with no procedural challenges coming from the Democratic caucus.
Where the administration is now in this election is that they know they are going to lose Blanche Lincoln and Byron Dorgan and probably 20 Blue Dogs for sure. And they are making the argument that to avoid a Republican takeover of the House, Democrats are going to have to pick up Republican seats. And in the Senate, Democrats are going to have to do the conventional wisdom (for example, Nate Silver’s forecast) or better in order to avoid Republican control. This week he was rallying the GOTV folks for Russ Feingold and Tammy Baldwin, for example.
Where’s the vision here?
It’s a great article – it says that the left was correct all along. I’m happy about that!
The comments say that OFA and DLC are just fronts for the same Money Party that runs the Right – that none of the ‘big’ Parties really make a home for us in their legislative agendas.
On the one hand, imvho – we’re heading to a trainwreck on the other side of the mid-terms if the Goopers take the House – they’ll impeach Obama in order to win in 2012. And, none of us here have any doubts about what the next Gooper Regime will be like…
On the other hand, there are game changers out there that could dramatically alter the current dynamic. For instance, if bin Laden gets captured, or something like that, then no matter how ‘right’ we are, Obama will become a World Hero, the Dems will strengthen their power, and we’ll have the plank sawed right off behind us.
We ignore that kind of possibility at our own risk…it could happen.
This great article is only half the answer, imvho – do we want to be ‘right’ or do we want to be ‘right’ and win?
Where’s the vision beyond the righteousness?
What seaglass and PatrickD said…Obama wants the political cover of a Republican House, Senate, or both. Draw their insanity out into the light of day again for the next two years so he’ll look positively FDR-ish in contrast, then dare progressives not to vote for him against whatever regressive goblin the GOP sends up to bat in 2012.
that’s another thing Kelly…did we ever see a Dem POTUS get involved in primary battles before Big O? Can’t remember Carter or Bill campaigning for anyone during Primary Season
The vision may not be solely on this website, because this is not all of the left. And some key parts of the vision may be here, staring you in the face, but you might not recognize it for what it is.
Think hard about voter mobilization. Or about funding candidates who are true to the causes we’ve fought for. Or even articulation of those causes – who does that when the punditocracy and the media are completely in bed with corporations?
Definitely would be a game changer if Bin Laden was captured, but that would immediately take away 90% of the rationale for us being in Afghanistan and Iraq. Besides, its very likely Bin Laden has slipped loose his mortal coil and is entertaining his 70 virgins in Hell.
If Knoxville is correct in saying that there is effectively one party, then what difference does it make if Obama self-destructs? If the President is merely the public, TV face of corporate power, any one particular brand or personality is less important than the actions, policies, funding, etc. that serve corporate power. If the substance—the stuff you can put your hands on—stays intact (e.g. HCR, perpetual war, tax cuts, the executive branch existing outside the law, etc.)—why sweat what happens to the façade every four years? So Obama goes away, but the legal precedent for maintaining state secrets remains . . . ?
However, the value of the affect of the self-destruction that you point out (if it is in fact self-destruction) is worth remembering.
And your point about Obama’s vanity: It’s usually best not to try to silence one’s opponent. “The thing speaks of itself.” ☺
Thanks
I think we’re saying the same thing on this point – it has to be us, the left, that supplies our own vision.
Hey, don’t consign the women to hell.
I think the causation is reversed here.
Still, Obama being the only one out there all the time and his having to use personality to sell his agenda seems problematic.
If you have the link to Silver’s forecast you mention handy, please send it.
Just finding his body and positively id’ing it with DNA would do it, imvho. I also think there are other game-changers out there, too – many of them related to the Bush years…
Just remember what Emerson said (Compensation, 1865):
We’ve seen time and again how Obama kowtows to the banksters. He goes to Wall Street to chew them out, and the blow him off. He calls the heads of the i-banks to the White House to chew them out, and they don’t show up. “Too foggy for our private jets to fly down.” they say. And they get away with it.
And now he snarls at us.
Heh. Thanks for acknowledging our power, Barry.
Michael Moore made a similar argument in Downsize This!, and I think it still rings true.
And Jane, save this one for your “best of” anthology. I was riveted from start to finish.
I’m thinking the difference is in all the prizes and goodies you get post-office. Bill Clinton is worth north of $200 million, yes he was impeached, but he was not convicted. The argument has already been made that Obama’s sellout to this point has guaranteed him obscene wealth for himself and several generations of his descendants, but has it? If he is impeached on the Blagojevitch Senate Seat Affair, and convicted in the Senate, who’s going to ask him to sit on their Board of Directors and pay him Millions per speech? Richard Nixon didn’t exactly die a pauper, but I think the lecture circuit and boardroom opportunities were few and far between.
who said the virgins were women? i was thinking goats myself
Clarifying and cogent insight. Thanks, scribe.
Ah, good point.
And I appreciate Scribe’s Emerson quote at 196, as it seems so apropos to this issue.
scribe has been spot on all night, otto, as have you and many others. very good points to think about on this thread, and haven’t seen much troll activity either. Muchos Gracias, Jane for this post and this wonderful place to post it.
And the banks, and Wall Street. And BP, and other members of the Bilderberg Group.
This is an example of why I donate to FDL and not DNC :)
Agreed — he’ll heroically defend himself against those outrageous Rethug accusations while oh-so-reluctantly signing every bill they pass. Ye shall know them by their bipartisanship.
Of all the posts available to Team Obama today your post, Jane, is head and shoulders above the rest and I hope that either Obama and/or his team of advisers took the time to read it and even read the comments by those who post here! Yours is THE post so far in this election cycle. Bravo, Jane!
From Jane’s post:
“Look at the comments section of any major media outlet’s website. You’ll see people talking about the “catfood commission,” “Dan Choi,” “Obama’s assassination program” or his “PhRMA deal” or the fact that he “sold out” the public option. That didn’t start on Meet the Press.”
And, to this day you won’t hear anything at all about the fact that Obama sold out the public option on “Meet the Press” or any other mainstream news outlet. The press still insists on claiming that the bill was the “best he could get” instead of reporting that Obama sold things out before the process even started and then continue to LIE about supporting things like the public option that he had already sold out.
The thing between John Roberts and Barrack Obama is they are both immature and unseasoned !
They both display a middle management level ability in a senior management position.
What I find fascinating is the administration’s obsession with the cult of personality. What exactly did they expect to happen when they lied about practically all their campaign promises and did the bidding of their corporate benefactors? You’d think an administration so obsessed with personality would at least understand the most basic concepts of selling out, but the administration is completely oblivious. They remind me of some new and scandalous rock band that suddenly makes the boneheaded, greedy decision to let their hit song lead an advertising campaign to sell furniture polish and who then have no idea why people suddenly consider them lame. But hey, incompetent people are incompetent because they don’t have the slightest suspicion that they might be incompetent. You see that a lot when the biggest fan in a cult of personality is the personality at the center of the cult itself.
And I’m thinking that, at least from the perspective of a Democratic Party partisan, 2000 may soon seem like the good old days. Eventually, all but the most relentlessly stupid will figure this game of the DC Democrats out, and then they’re either going to give up or go elsewhere.
The DLC types have trapped themselves – they need corporate donations to run campaigns, but they need at least enough progressives to vote for them that they can win. As the latter stops happening, so will the former.
Jane,
President Obama has been counter jabbing for a while. He has taken multiple shots and maintained his composure, in a very difficult situation. He is now on the offensive. His attacks against his base are premeditated and are like that of a coach attempting to motivate his team. He is a master, make no mistake about it. In life we have to make choices. Calculated choices where compromise is the general rule. Life is knowing when to compromise. As an independent I cannot in good conscience, not support the President. Actions are always louder than words. Here the rethugz’s actions are clear. Their actions are not and have not been in my self interest, nor the republics. I believe Jefferson is correct. The aristocrats in the Senate have failed to control their passion for power, profit, and corporate cash. Some are protecting “BP,” a foreign corporation! Is this an impeachable offense?
It’s as pointless as blaming the press for bad coverage. It might be true, it might not, but at least part of the reason that bad press (blog coverage) hurts is that people are ready to believe it.
Aha, that makes perfect sense.
About $31,500 now. It would be great to do $40,000:
http://www.actblue.com/page/feingold
I’ll push it again tomorrow.
Thank you, posaune. I appreciate it.
Some may not have turned on Obama, but I sure did.
This isn’t just some public policy disagreement over student loans or farm subsidies.
The Bush Administration murdered and tortured in American Gulugs.
Obama promised these wretched abuses would be stopped. He lied. Not only didn’t Obama stop the abuses, he’s added his own “personal flair” to the abuses by the demented claim that the President can execute American citizens, stamp the whole mess “state secret,” and never even give an explanation to anyone.
I’m beginning to wonder whether Obama needs a complete psychological evaluation. He may have snapped.
Pul-eeze…. Osama Bin Dead for almost nine years. His death notice was written up in foreign papers.
FiveThirtyEight.
The House forecast is 211 (D) 224 (R).
Senate is 52 (D) 48 (R).
It’s the House that is a big concern, but one that can easily be flipped with 7 holds or pickups.
The Senate right now is close to the Republicans total upside (51 seats R), giving Democrats a lot of room to expand their margin. Looking at the seats in play, the Democratic upside is 67 seats.
I also understand that compromise is sometimes necessary to get things done.
But, my question is why must the progressives always be the ones to compromise? When is it the Blue Dog’s turn to compromise?
Thank you!
Would you want this guy as your “middle manager”? I wouldn’t, from experience with the type.
Lousy way to treat an innocent animal. How about 70 of his colleagues? Make the punishment fit the crime?
When you look at Obama and the current White House you can’t ignore the fact that they plan to deceive and trick progressives from day one.
Why I make this point. Any average politician would have took the easy road to victory in 2012, and focus on getting the economy back on track. (the corporate media screaming daily that the USA is in a recession does not hide the fact everyone knows this is a depression)
Another huge mistake Obama, made was surrounding himself with Clinton People, assuming they knew and understood the new political climate and the new political players.
Sun Tzu says it best “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle” (this is not the 90′s)
Obama has no clue who his enemies are! (Progressive stop watching and following the corporate media during the Reagan, Bush Clinton, years etc.!
Bloggers are just the tip of the Ice Berg of Obama problems.
What do you call the person that reads the Blog and sends the information to 100,000 people at the push of button? This is a bigger problem for the White House! and Dems in congress!
How does Obama plan on dealing with Union members who now know he lied to them and has people running around the White House saying F the UAW!
Obama, David Axelrod, Robert Gibbs, David Plouffe, better find out why his Poll numbers are dropping like a rock, the truth is not coming from the New York Times, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.
Know thyself and Know Thy Enemies!
Obama needed someone in his inner circle telling him, hey Obama you got to do something progressives, because the corporate media can’t protect you from all the new social networks!
Jane,
Thanks for this post. I continue to remain somewhat amazed that the President feels it is necessary to spend his time and energy dealing with the “professional left”. Like many, I can only conclude that the progressives will be scapegoated as the “cause” for poor results in the 2010 midterms. To overlook the obvious, that he has not delivered change we, the American voters, can believe in, is just too much common sense for the DC bubble.
Oilbummer sucks. He’s a miserable failure just like the Smirking Chimp. If you’re looking for leadership in this country it is a hopeless case. From Slick Willie Clinton on, the vile elite are turning us all into serfs.
Wake up America!
Thing is…. and I know I’m not the only one who feels this way… it wouldn’t have taken a whole lot to get me to “fall in line.” If he did a good job of pretending he cared, he probably would have put over on me. I’m easy that way for a guy who came sweeping into office like he did. So what does he do when keepinng me on his side would have been so easy? Why, ridicules and belittes me. Smart. Real smart. Hey, OK, fine, he lost me and a bunch of professioanl lefties. But it’s good politics because by doing so (standing up to extremists) he gained support with people who think of themselves as moderates. Right? He didn’t? Oh. Well, then this whole excercise was just fucking stupid, President. You want me on board? Why should I? You deserve to lose if you’re this dumb. My advice? Hey Obama. Don’t you ever take my vote for granted again.
I truly don’t understand why the MOTU didn’t give us enough to keep us a little happy. It really doesn’t take much to keep people quiet. They didn’t even pretend.
JamesJoyce,
I thought about exactly your point the other day, that maybe Obama is doing the coach/drill sergeant routine of telling the troops to suck it up and drive on in hopes of motivating them to greater effort. But for me, it didn’t wash for two reasons. One, the authoritarian tack always rubs me the wrong way and usually inspires an opposite reaction. Two, good leadership is not about how well you can tell others what to do, it is about setting an example through actions on behalf of those you lead. And based on the last two years, I wouldn’t follow this guy across the street. Perhaps others will have a different reaction, if in fact this is a coaching strategy. We’ll have to see.
Hooray ! I am worried about Feingold.
hey, i seen him call on a blogger at a press conference on TV. Gotta love the guy.
i like that comment, jed.
Thank you, Jane.
The left should do more than “double down”, and, in fact, it should have done a lot more than double down, over a year, ago. When it was leaked that Obama had stabbed us in the back, and cut a deal with Tauzin, if there was anything like a potent left to speak of, they would have gone after Obama. They would have demanded not just that he renounce the deal, but that he apologize for his betrayal.
I’ve talked to my family about the Tauzin deal, and I’ve also polled co-workers, at a recent job. NOBODY EVEN KNOW WHO TAUZIN WAS.
There was no concerted effort by the left, AFAIK, at even attempting to “make him do it”, via taking the message of Obama’s betrayal to the public, at large. (Though an ad by the so-called Bold Progressives (PCCC) that came very close. They’ve since gone soft, AFAIK, and seem to be well-behaved Democrats, now. In the world of psyops, they’d be called a “limited hangout”. In the world of FDL, I’d say they’re part of the Veal Pen.)
Don’t take my word for it – poll your family, friends, and co-workers, and see how many even know who Tauzin is.
I can see you’re excited because the left is exhibiting a very modest amount of political muscle. But what’s not being exhibited is a lot of political muscle. To do that, the honest left will have to think outside the box, and not resign itself to “blogging to the choir”. There’s been some effort made to air hard-hitting ads, like PCCC had done, for a while.
But the bottom line is that most of our fellow citizens don’t know the extent of Obama’s perfidy. Whatever has been done is woefully insufficient.
Without a stronger, longer-lasting voice that speaks truth to power, dissident political groups will never be able to “make him do it”. Not by the power of their words, anyway. (There’s still electoral remedies, but wouldn’t they also become more plausible by going beyond “blogging to the choir”?)
Sorry to rain on your parade, but, truth be told, it’s only a block or two long.
Agree with the entire analysis, and the end really hit home for me. The gap between political rhetoric and governance has become so vast – the spectre of Larry Summers so offensive – that it’s not about whether I do, or don’t ‘like’ Obama.
I wish him all the best.
But I have far bigger issues on my plate than whether or not his poll ratings are up or down on any given day.
Do I want the Tea Partiers to win?
Hell, no.
Do I want to keep voting for Dems who don’t have the balls to bring climate legislation to the floor of the Senate? Who sold out the potential for **real** health care reform?
Quandry.
Bingo.
Obama, total fucking tool.
We are indeed shining a glaring spot light on these people and they’re NOT liking it @ all. They want us all to go back into some kind of self-delusional mode where we turn off the light and stop subjecting them to a reality test. It’s to late for that way to late.
Maybe yes, and maybe no…
bin Laden wiki
Oh Yea? Then was is he and his admin. so fixated on smashing us in the face whenever possible? I think it’s because although the general public doesn’t know what we know, they sense something is terribly wrong with this guy and what he’s doing or not doing and it’s partially because we are essentially blowing their cover and even if the general public doesn’t read these blogs enough of the MSM media and pundits do to cast a very nasty shadow on what these people are doing. An odor is rising from the filthy deals and corrupt goings on even the secret ones. You can’t keep much secret anymore because of the Net. That’s why the Corporatist want to get control in here ASAP and to that want to strangle us by eliminating so called Net Neutrality.
What he’s doing is classic Clintonism. It worked back in the day before the Net , not much anymore.
Ah-h-h, because it’s election time, and things don’t look good for the D’s? Because he’s setting up progressives to take the blame?
See Hectoring the Base: It’s Not About GOTV, It’s About Laying the Blame – right here at FDL!
Right on article as usual Jane. I think two things are important and moving us forward here. The fact that, as Jane says, what is in the blogs is not just one person’s opinion but the result of many people thinking about and researching the issues is important. Also, I have always appreciated Jane Hamsher’s dual abilities as a creator of one of the best blogs going and her genuine real world political savvy.
I’ve been writing this letter to Biden and Obama in my head for a week, but I didn’t have all of the words.
I am 67 years old and I have been a liberal and a Democrat for all of these years, and I am still for public health care, and an end to the wars, for stronger civil liberties, and strengthened social security benefits and a return to “justice for all” including fraud-committing bankers, and insurance executives.
And Obama and the Democratic Party now seem to assume that I will suddenly,turn (as they have?) and accept the sellout to corporate power that I see across the board as progress? That’s insane. They haven’t even tried to convince me that they should do these things, that they have any justification for their policies at all.
Now if Obama went on television and said, the corporatists own this country and we have no power to reign them in, or to police their crimes against our society and our environment, now that is one explanation that might get my attention.
It is either that, or that the Democratic Party people (other than Dean) really are all Republicans, and have been for a long time, and have always planned on doing us in …
I voted for Obama because I thought Hillary was too close to the DLC.
And the DLC-Lieberman script for years was Rovian in its attacks on Democrats.
But my favorite line of yours of all time is in this post:
“It’s sort of a “techno-Pravda” game plan.”
Thanks, Jane.
You are right, and I do hope that innocent goats end up in Heaven, Lib. Now my Grandma had one when I was eight that was, well, not innocent, and meaner than a rabid javelina. That critter I would consign to the nether regions – but I don’t think it would qualify as a virgin for what it attempted to do to me and my younger cousins – however if anyone deserved to be molested by a satanic beast for all eternity Osama is just as deserving of the honor as Hitler and Stalin, and maybe Nixon. (It’s still not fair to the goat)
that’s spot on and may explain why strict religious fundamentalism seems to breed terrorism. I’m sure that most of those teenagers in the Pakistan Madrassa’s desperately need to get laid.
This is largely the reason I first came to Firedoglake over a year ago, and it’s exactly the reason why I’ve stuck around.
Does anyone know if Obama Girl still has a crush on Obama?
Was originally for Edwards Syol… and we know how that train wreck ended. I agree with you 100% on Hillary, which led me to Obama. Had my doubts after the FISA filibuster that wasn’t but Big O was saying that he would fight and attempt to do the things that we all wanted to hear. Public Option, Rule of Law, Close Gitmo, Stimulus for Jobs, DADT, Wall Street Reform -all of them broken promises by attempting the bare minimum or out right lies and sellouts. I was furious with Bush, both of them, but that pales in comparison to the anger I have for Obama and our corrupt Dem party leaders.
I thought Obama broke up with her on Facebook by changing his relationship status to “Bought”
Then isn’t the obvious question to follow, “Why is Obama throwing the election for Democrats?”
Suggested caption for picture:
On the left, a dog I’d vote for
On the right [literally], the dog I did vote for, and regret it.
very well said Jane
“When they feel that there is evidence that his convictions are not sincere, they choose the issue over the man.”
That speaks for me.
you all know about the $1 golden colored presidential coins? Lincoln, President 16, is coming out in Dec.
I started using the Sacajaweas for tips when they first came out about 10 years ago. I started using the presidential dollars AND they’re a pain in the ass to get AND whenever I use them outside my normal haunts, people look at the coins like they’re fake !!! it is funny.
any-hoo, I tell the skeptical that they are REAL u.s.a. dollars! based on the Presidents! everyone looks and … if the coin ain’t Washington – like, James Buchanan! their response is ‘who the fuck is this old dead white guy’?
Obama is gonna join the other Presidents on those coins, and in 150 years he’ll be an asterisk – he MIGHT have a tea pot dome scandal named after him? the ONLY thing that which will “distinguish” him from bush-van buren-fillmore-polk-tyler … will be his skin color.
yawn.
rmm.
I can’t understand why the MSM keeps referring to an “enthusiasm gap.”
As you note, folks aren’t “unenthusiastic.” They’re MAD. They’re not listlessly lying around on the couch saying, “ho hum.” They’re mad at Obama and at the spineless Democrats. They’re “enthusiastically” saying, “I wouldn’t vote for those fuckers.”
You may be right. He must be humiliated by the inconvenient refusal of the Iraqis to stop killing each other and form a government now that he declared the war “over,” and his sharp escalation of drone attacks and assassinations in N.W. Pakistan, a region recently inundated and devastated by unrelenting monsoons, together with the dramatic increase in the number of slaughtered innocents reeks of desperation and has the rest of the world wondering WTF.
He’s lost control and making a fool out of himself at a time when more and more people are waking up to his plan to decimate, if not eliminate social security. Audiences are heckling and even mocking him.
Mr. Black Supply-Side Jesus can’t handle it.
We need to keep on jacking up his level of pain until he quits and declares he won’t seek a second term.
I don’t think I’ve ever blogged on Firedoglake, but, Jane keeps popping up on TV criticizing the President’s every move. Great. I consider myself a liberal, and most of the righties think I’m way over on the left, but after reading this blog, I feel more like some kind of moderate. Of all the self-serving, self-righteous blather, this is the ultimate. Yep, I now see what Joe Biden was talking about. What a pack of whiners! You make Faux News seem almost middle-of-the road. Oh, I know this will upset you, because you believe your motives are so pure. But, you don’t know the realities of politics. Because of your demands of perfectionism, you truly are aiding the crazies from the Republican/tea baggers in the upcoming election. You think you will purge the Democratic party of the so-called “corporatists”? Your memories are short. Bill Clinton got the same treatment from both the left and right as Obama, maybe not as strident. What happened when the Republicans took over? Did it purify the Democratic party or the left? Hmmmm, Clinton moved to the right and the nation followed. And then we got Bush.
Demonize the president if it makes you happy or if it gives you your moment of fame, but it doesn’t do a thing to improve the economy or prevent the life-sucking, privatizing Republican/tea party from taking back power and further dividing this country into the haves and have nots.
Respectfully, and setting aside campaign promises, how does a self-respecting American Liberal or Conservative tolerate this or any President not preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution?
If you haven’t already, I suggest you read emptywheel before you answer.
Inouye, that preening toad who is still our Senator, was on the Watergate Committee, so you can be sure there was a lot of coverage in Hawaii.
Nope. Not upset. Just laughing at yet another expression of “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
That goofy expression is going viral in all sorts of situations. People are laughing at it and every time they do they think of Obama’s neutered and useless legislative “accomplishments” and laugh their asses off at what an arrogant narcissist and liar he is.
He ain’t go no mo mojo and nobody wants to listen to him lie anymore.
It’s not even about single issue folks. Issue by issue, Obama has nothing to hang his hat on which would allow him to claim that he’s providing for the general welfare of the nation rather than simply acting as the spokes person for our financial elite.
Bush left a big mess but are we even laying the ground work for recovery? I don’t see it. And I doubt that people who are losing the jobs and homes see it either, regardless of “professional left” membership.
Do we have Law & Order at the top? Or have we simply replaced Texas rules with Chicago rules? Law & Order is a big American favorite. When there’s not even the perception of law & order at the top, the rulers lose all credibility. Preventive detention, torture, assasination, financial fraud, escalation of a bogus war… it all adds up to zero credibility.
Americans are also big on results. This establishment myth that there’s a “New Normal” of extremely high unemployment is a political loser. If there’s not enough to go around, it’s because the folks at the top are robbing the nation blind. They’ve moved from limited greed to unbounded greed and that’s just not gonna fly.
Obama doesn’t just have a problem with his base or the “professional left”, he’s got a problem with the lower 98% of income earners.
Because he knows that “this sucker is going down” no matter what?
It is incumbent on the Left to sit out this election!
It’s BS to write in bullshit. Just stay home! and watch the toobs. The results must say: Record low turnout for Dems.
Stay home Nov.4 !
Can’t go there.
We do not have to cooperate, but we do have to participate, IMHO.
Melissa McEwan deserves more than a link:
Go tell your OFA cell leader you jammed all your talking points in with appropriate self-righteous indignation. I think they give you a brownie and a glass of warm milk.
The evidence is right out in the open. Obama is so far from his campaign promises, not even close. Trying to claim victories using lawyer’s semantics. Typical Washington games. Then to top it off when the White House gets called on their corporate sell-out bullshit they disdain and disparage their left leaning base. Who do they think voted them into office? Who else do they will show up for them and volunteer – the tea baggers? I’m through with these guys. They aren’t doing what they said they would do and on top of it all they are arrogant about it. They have this idea they can get away with the same old BS because the specter of the GOP is so bad that we will have to swallow anything they dish out. Wrong, so very wrong. In November they will see how out of touch their thinking is. If neither side is working for my best interest then it doesn’t matter who is doing me wrong. Time to fire the ones who let me down.
When did the individual Mandates was present in the campaign. If it was the only thing without Public Option I am absolutely sure it would not have even made out of the congressional committee.
Lets get this real. If we all can afford $30,000 After Tax a plate dinner we all can over-look this as a piccadello about lack of Public Option and try to get individual mandates for Private corporation removed.
But super-majority of the American families do not even make ends meet in the best of the situation. Obviously they cannot afford premiums and will now be hit with Individual Mandates. Worst thing is if this comes to pass soon All Fast Food Companies, Gas Companies, Car Companies, Toy companies all things which consumer can choose to avoid if unaffordable will demand their own version of Individual Mandates showing this as a precedent and it is totally against the Free Choice Spirit of our constitution. Sen. Kennedys seat (Deep Blue State) was lost once this bait and switch was unveiled. Still did not correct course and now expect whole country to cheer on. These mandates will be a albatross around Democratic Party till either courts drop it (Good Case scenario) or Republicans drop it ( Worse case scenario since they will not lose a chance to remind it again and again)
Obama owes his political career to affluent Hyde Park lefties,which leads me to believe we are a straw enemy to lure independent voters.Considering the belief that we retards have nowhere else to go,his vicious attacksi might be a pitiful attempt to convey he’s a strong leader and not the duplicitous pansy reflected in these disgraceful sell-out reforms.
Exactly. We give major chunk of our income as taxes and we should have a say in how that income is spent to improve our shared resources. Always Vote but based on logical choices on what is best for the country to the best of our conscience.
I’m really just speculating; I have no explanation for the radical shift his personality seems to have undergone from the campaign to now.
Well there was that piece the Onion “reported” last year–
White House Reveals Obama Bipolar, Entered Depressive Phase
theonion.com — White House officials admit Obama’s extreme confidence and total euphoria over hope and change were symptoms of a prolonged manic episode.
Steve Sailer actually made a similar point three years ago.
But, clearly, Obama isn’t today the person portrayed in his first book. For one thing, he now has a mild sense of humor. Perhaps he never was who he claimed in 1995 to be — we now know his depiction of his Hawaiian days was quite distorted.
Or, perhaps he has changed. One possibility is that he goes through moderate hypomanic and depressive cycles. This is quite common among high achievers. The secret to winning your place in history is often to have an up cycle coincide by luck with a time when intense action is needed.
That was written in the days when we were awaiting the ‘wake up Barack’ phase of his Presidency – cooperation with the GOP was showing terrible results, and he would snap to the realization that he was doomed if he threw in with them again. Or so we thought.
That was a depressing piece, and at the time, I didn’t realize why.
What you said about the “professional left’s” advocacy simply mirroring opinion of the audience is absolutely true. I have had this thought myself several times over the past couple of weeks while following the online “debate” with the WH.
With all due respect to yourself and Mr. Greenwald, I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself if I agree with you or not. It blows me away that our “constitutional law professor”, “liberal” president is so inwardly autocratic as to presume that standard-carriers for his own constituency are “poisoning” public opinion by refusing to ask for seconds as he sinks the biggest progressive opportunities in a generation against the rocks of same-old, same-old corruption.
Imagine for a moment where we would be if the first thing Congress had done after Obama’s election was to get card check passed. A holy army of union members would be out busting nuts for him right now. I can’t believe after the “f@cking retards” incident that his entire entourage of sycophants was not marched out in single file to beg forgiveness. Who the hell do these people think they are?
And more to the point, if you are not going to ADVOCATE ADVOCATE ADVOCATE for the positions that you presumably believe in, what the hell is the point of winning office in the first place? If your station in Congress, as President, etc. does not stand for something bigger than yourself, why bother? As a practicing attorney, I can tell you I wouldn’t hire these people to represent me in a car accident. I can count on one hand the number of times I have heard them really fight for the positions that were articulated during the campaign. I really do feel like we have been scammed. Everybody does. People are not stupid. They may not obsess over the news like most readers here do, but they can smell a rat.
When I think about where we were two years ago, and how the whole thing has been pissed away, it makes me physically ill. I’m so fed up with this bullshit I don’t know what to do with myself.
But what is participation? The networks will account for your participation with stats. Turnout will be exactly a measure of participation that will define the elections. Consenting to part take in this farce of a democracy is nothing to hang your hat on, imo. Low turnout is like a chorus thundering dissatisfaction. How else do you propose to register yours?
I could go all blah blah blah about ‘no right to complain…’ and all that, but I will spare the thread that tired refrain.
And I realize that not every Congressional district has an acceptable alternative to what may be 2 or 3 dismal choices already on the ballot, so writing in “Howard Dean” or “Single-Payer” whenever a choice is difficult, is… difficult… but not unthinkable.
However, and again, just my opinion, low turnout is the worst possible choice because it’s not a sign of indignation with process or choices, but an abdication of the franchise. That I cannot endorse.
I think that you might be right. They want the indy white male vote according to this.
Isn’t being seen as tough on the little people a winning strategy?
For major ones just write-in Public Option if one wants to but there are lot of local issues dealing with bond measures etc. If we skip elections it is the special interest groups who will determine the outcome to the detriment of the local society and environment.
Agree totally. If majority skips elections it is the minority who will determine how your future tax dollars will be spent, who your representative will be (We can remind our displeasure by writing Public Option if we cannot find any good candidate from either major parties or third parties).
You are quite right, local plebiscite must be exercised – local is good. It’s the party apparatus that must be shown our deepest contempt. No Ds, other than those in your proximate locality. Why the fuck is Moonbeam, all of the sudden my only choice? The system is broke, National elections every two years, each lasting a year, is a dysfunctional franchise. Besides, why is it that my only choice in this ‘restaurant’ is the waiters choice? And who the fuck is the waiter anyway? Why is Moonbeam on my plate! -WTF?
Rayne,
Your comment hit me hard. MIA’s, KIA’s, MLK, RFK! These events have shaped my life, and values. I recall the cries of and screams of my friends mother, as she learned of her son’s death in Vietnam. Make no mistake, this is more than a clash of ideologies. We are heading towards civil war. “Corporations vs People.” It is the natural extension of America’s first civil war, where the Slave owners refused to relinquish the institution of slavery, challenging the very precepts of the “Bill of Rights..” Corporations today, do the same. They challenge the rule of law all the time, unless it bought to protect their self interest, at the expense of the nation and its people. Corporations commit fraud and get away with it. We have seen the systemic rape of a nation by corrupt corporations, which cannot be reigned in. Now, like the slave owners who where given an advantage, Scott judged to be property, for the benefit of slave owners and their profit at the expense of the slave, Americans now get the short end of the stick from corporations, who can now spend “unlimited cash” to buy ads and politicians? This is a rigged system. As Jefferson and Madison warned, the undue influence of “monied interests,” lobbyists, on the political decision making process is a threat to Liberty and Life. These founders are spot on! They are correct! Can Obama continue to deny these realities. The American people need protections from abusive corporations. Americans need protection from economic terrorist, who like the slave owners, treated people as animals to protect a dysfunctional way and profit! This is a war Rayne a war you recognized long ago, as did I. It is a war against corporate tyranny and the corporatist who in their lust for profit, will throw everyone under the bus, including their mothers and brothers. I’m no conditioned mind! I always ask why?
Corporations control America, and powerful individuals who use the corporate shell to advance their agenda and profit, are all around US. Think about it, a sitting US Senator, blocks the ability of the government to investigate BP, a foreign corporation? Tax codes and penalties now utilized to force American’s to enter into contracts with health insurance corporations, because government cannot control the actions of corporations who practice discrimination, using law, while being tax exempt!
This is fucking insane. Meanwhile a broken nation conducts wars in foreign lands while protecting the very corporations who have gutted US. This is fucking insane……..
http://icasualties.org/OEF/Fatalities.aspx
Say a prayer for all the fallen heroes. It is the policy maker who are fucking zeros……
Everytime a democratic party loyalists uses the phrase “professional left” or “perfect is the enemy of the good”, it’s like Ralph Wiggum saying “When I grow up, I want to go to Bovine University!”
It’s happening on every scale. Several weeks ago, a federal bankruptcy judge denied a FOIL request regarding the closing of St. Vincent’s Hospital in Manhattan, a hospital that was dedicated to serving everyone including the poor, and was there for every major area disaster from the Titanic, to 9/11, to Miracle on the Hudson.
http://dnainfo.com/20100902/manhattan/judge-blocks-lawsuit-seeking-public-access-st-vincents-financial-records-prior-collapse
Obama’s got a problem or two besides all of us pissed-off hippies.
In retaliation for the continuing U.S. air strikes on their territory, they’ve cut off a major supply route for NATO:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20100930/D9II6RAO1.html
It’s feels strange to be rooting for someone to put a foreign-policy leash on a democratic president, just like I rooted for them to put one on Bush, but it is what it is.
No slack for Mr. Centrist from Doonesbury:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/doonesbury
:o)
“…in an attempt to shoot the messenger.”
In about a month, the stay-the-coursers are going to have a lot of messengers to shoot.
If we don’t vote Green Party this year, we sure will in two more years.
We can’t stop the future.
Republicans Block Investigative Power for Oil Spill Commission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOAKBjYNHW0
Speaking about the protecting of corporations???? Unbelievable? Traitors to the republic? Responsible politician who do the right thing, Thank You DeMint are you demented?
DeMint, are you a distant relative of Benedict Arnold?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold
America do you need anymore examples of how politicians protect corporations whose business interest obliterate Life Liberty and pursuit of Happiness, then cover it up! A sitting US Senator abdicating his oath of office to protect a foreign corporation. Expel this SOB from the Senate!
Well stated. I fear as the Republicans go down the rabbit hole and transformed into the TB’s, the Dems are being transformed, purposefully, into the New republican Party, the one from the late 80′s/90′s. this will provide an opportunity to form a real bloc based on liberal/progressive ideas, but they will never get the media coverage and the net may be nailed down by then. We shall see…
I just wish everyone would cut back a bit on the demonization of President Obama. I don’t think he’s selling out left-side interests. I think he got handed a plate full–much more than anyone was thinking–at the start of 2009, and that the Administration is doing the best it can.
Talking down the Democrats is simply talking up the Republicans. When it’s a 230 Republican House and a 51-49 Senate, how will things be any better?
The main point of this site, which is that the center is a lot more liberal than many people will admit, is worth emphasizing. But I’m not sure that cutting down Obama just to see if it can be done is worthwhile or very helpful.
Let’s try to help the D’s get through, and then deal with the recriminations about who in CorporateLand they cut deals with, in 2011.
Sorry I’m late. This exchange between phred and Jane captures my state of mind and I’d just like to echo it.
No question this decision to rail against the left to set us up for the debacle was discussed and decided with multiple heads in on it. As has been documented–it’s just too coordinated for this not to be the case.
How can they possibly calculate this will strengthen them after the election? Republicans long ago concluded Obama was weak and have been steadily capitalizing on it to protect the status quo and regain power. Obama has demonstrated he will not fight, he will not go straight to the people to advocate for his base’s agenda in any meaningful way. Now the WH will have demonstrated they have no pull with their own base. Until the party dumps Obama it will be ineffectual and non-competitive, and the Republicans see this clear as day.
For the past two years I’ve been trying to figure out the WH’s political calculus at every turn, and I can never seem to make sense of it. That they’re centrist corporatists who want to protect the status quo behind a show of deceit does not explain their political ineptitude at retaining power.
Regarding the footnote of Daou’s piece
http://peterdaou.com/2010/09/liberal-bloggers-are-bringing-down-the-obama-presidency/
I agree with his point about lightning rods, and I also fully agree with this:
“Virtually all the liberal bloggers who have taken a critical stance toward the administration have one thing in common: they place principle above party.”
That’s why I still read FDL – whatever disagreements, I have no doubt about your principles behind your opposition against the Preemptive Health Industry Bailout act of 2010, and I also share Marcy’s fundamental critique of mandating purchase of for-profit insurance through federal law and IRS enforcement.
You have as much need to engage a reformed John Cole beyond a necessary correction as Greenwald has any real need to debate Andrew 5thCullinan. Diby is wasting her life re-litigating GOP talking points every day, tirelessly helping to give them relevance. Neither Bush nor Obama will be ostracized for their crimes during our lifetimes, but maybe we can begin to ignore the Kleins, Yglesiases etc. of the world to improve signal-to-noise.
Keep up the good work. *They* work for us, and the constitution tasks us with holding them accountable, lest we be implicated in their many crimes. That you have been picked as the lightning rod by the dead-enders of the Cult of Change shows that, among Daou’s exmaples, you must have cut deepest, and the more effective Accountability Now becomes, the worse it is going to get.
Because for the supporters of Bygones Habeas Obama, it is a cult of personality. They have been shown and given nothing else, before or after the election.
On the merits, I think Daou is dead wrong about nobody wanting to “bring Obama down”.
Ian Welsh makes the case that if “the left” is credited – rightly or wrongly – for affecting Democrit prospects, it should embrace it.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/leftists-should-take-credit-for-bringing-down-democrats/
Or as I would put it: If the Constitution needs the equivalent of an NRA – or a Tea Party – that focuses on the other 26 amendments – esp. the Top 9 – then that is what has to be done. As long as the ACLU does not have the leverage the NRA enjoys, “the left” should be mortified – esp. after the veal-pinning of MoveOn, NARAL et.al.
But Ian is also only half right: claiming the success of “bringing Obama down” makes only sense if one acknowledges that the objective is to bring him down – unlikely – or at the least be seen trying. Because a politician – esp. one with an ego and a position as his – is not reformable.
This is the flip side of taking credit: Pricnipled opposition inevitably results in the need to disown Obama as forcefully and rapidly as possible, lest he continues to stand for “the left”, “progressives”, “liberals” and whatever other labels you may hold dear.
Hostis humanis generis. The torturer is every human’s enemy. It has long ceased to be a question of whether he might just do the right thing one of these days. Pace Atrios – notably not listed by Daou – food stamps and mortgage cramdowns should not be enough to buy off principled support for decency and the rule of law.
Join the Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America at
http://WWW.DEMOCRATZ.ORG
Face it, Obama at times is as bad as Bush, not that I want that war criminal back.
In Congress, to borrow a few words written by Bob Dylan, “Money doesn’t talk, it swears!”
Everything that Congress does seems to do with what their “cut” is going to be. I never noticed that as something that they are constitutionally mandated to do! No one asked them to give Black Water another contract to kill innocent people either. “Z”! Give me a break. They are all criminals.
I missed you on Tamron Hall today. Can you post a clip so we can see it?
Sure is taking Obama, Biden and team a long time to figure out that instead of continuing to fuck up by telling progressives to “stop whining” and “buck up”.
They just might want to:
1. Acknowledge and thank those who have literally put in hundreds of thousands of hours for FREE to get their asses into the White House and congress
2. They might want to say: We know why you are discouraged.
3. Then go into the NO ONE SAID THIS WAS GOING TO BE EASY. Give us more time. We need your help. Push and vote!
4. If you don’t like what we do in the next two years. Give our asses the boot. Give us more time now.
don’t fuck up by telling us to buck up. Mistake
Spot on, Jane. We in Kansas have been saying this about Obama since he came onto the national stage. Finally, his base is realizing why his presidency is a mistake.
Thanks for validating us here in Kansas. We celebrate your insight about him and his lying administration. Once our party takes back the senate and the house, we will get back on track. We spent too much and lost our base because of it during the Bush years. Luckily, our base forgave us and are willing to give us a second chance.
Obama is very possibly in the process of becoming that President who will be remembered as The-Most-Hated-By-His-Own-Voter-Base President in history. (Please note that the center of Dante’s Inferno is for those who Betray Trust.)
Mark my words: When he leaves office, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell will still not have been repealed by a Congress that is still Not-Led-By-A-President.
Just the tip of the iceberg.
Obama is like that lawyer who’s really good at selling “I’m the man you so desperately need for the job of representing you,” but after you choose him, you find out the hard way that you chose The Lawyer From Hell – all he wants to do is make deals with the other side’s lawyers who turn out to be intensely aggressive and tenacious for their client – and you end up screwed because, of some legal quirk, you can’t fire your Lawyer From Hell until it’s too late.
President Obama:
I’m not part of any “professional left.” I don’t even knock on doors and all that. I’m just one hell of a VERY pissed off average very-not-so-well-off voter who got tired of just screaming at the TV and so started writing comments at various media outlets like this. Who the hell do you think you are to tell me to Buck Up?! YOU are the one who needs to Buck Up! I hired you!
In terms of LAW – NOT some speech – that TRULY FIGHTS BIGOTRY and TRULY MAKES A DIFFERENCE for those VERY many tens of millions who are very-not-so-well-off but who still quality for NO “poor person” public assistance, give me a TRUE reason not to fire you – when I finally can in 2012 – by voting for any primary challenger and/or writing in my own candidate.
Note: Trying to scare me about Palin or whatever won’t work. If this country can survive Bush, then…
To anticipate one objection you might have: The present health care law passed early this year will do s___ for the very-not-so-well-off I’m talking about. Just run the REAL LIFE numbers.
P.S. The effort you put forth for yourself with respect to Kucinich is the effort I wanted and expected you to put forth for me with respect to Congress.