Obama is at it again, this time in Rolling Stone:
The president told Democrats that making change happen is hard and “if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren’t serious in the first place.”
Yes, for those wondering, this guy actually did win an election in 2008:
OBAMA: It is inexcusable for any Democrat or progressive right now to stand on the sidelines in this midterm election. There may be complaints about us not having gotten certain things done, not fast enough, making certain legislative compromises. But right now, we’ve got a choice between a Republican Party that has moved to the right of George Bush and is looking to lock in the same policies that got us into these disasters in the first place, versus an administration that, with some admitted warts, has been the most successful administration in a generation in moving progressive agendas forward.
The idea that we’ve got a lack of enthusiasm in the Democratic base, that people are sitting on their hands complaining, is just irresponsible.
I’d like to set the President’s mind at ease here. Even if the GOP wins both houses of Congress, he’ll still be President. And they’ll still need his signature on those bills.
But all of this “hippie punching” isn’t about turning out voters. To do that, as Obama well knows, you have to inspire them. Notice that nobody actually running for office is wagging their finger at voters and scolding them like a bunch of children.
No, this isn’t about GOTV. It’s about setting up a narrative for who will take the blame for a disastrous election. And once again, the White House doesn’t care if they make matters worse in order to deflect responsibility from Obama.
Consider:
October 23, 2009, Creigh Deeds — Ten days before the general election, from the Washington Post:
Top Democrats seek to shield Obama in case of election loss
Sensing that victory in the race for Virginia governor is slipping away, Democrats at the national level are laying the groundwork to blame a loss in a key swing state on a weak candidate who ran a poor campaign that failed to fully embrace President Obama until days before the election.
January 17, 2009: Martha Coakley — Two days before the Massachusetts election, from Ed Henry, CNN:
Sources: Obama advisers believe Coakley will lose
Multiple advisers to President Obama have privately told party officials that they believe Democrat Martha Coakley is going to lose Tuesday’s special election to fill the Massachusetts Senate seat held by the late Ted Kennedy for more than 40 years, several Democratic sources told CNN Sunday.
The sources added that the advisers are still hopeful that Obama’s visit to Massachusetts on Sunday – coupled with a late push by Democratic activists – could help Coakley pull out a narrow victory in an increasingly tight race against Republican state Sen. Scott Brown.
However, the presidential advisers have grown increasingly pessimistic in the last three days about Coakley’s chances after a series of missteps by the candidate, sources said.
May 18, 2010: Arlen Specter — the night before the Pennsylvania election, ABC News:
White House distances Obama from Specter
The White House is seeking to distance President Barack Obama from longtime Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter as the Democrat faces shaky election prospects in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary.
On the eve of the election, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said that while the president was following the Pennsylvania race – as well as primaries in Arkansas and Kentucky – he wasn’t watching that closely.
That’s a far cry from a year ago, when Obama said Specter would have his “full support” after the Republican lawmaker switched to the Democratic party. The president appeared with Specter at a rally in Pennsylvania in September, telling the crowd that Specter came to Washington “to fight for the working men and women of Pennsylvania.”
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On the eve of the Pennsylvania primary a poll shows the race too close to call, with Sestak claiming 42 percent of support among Democrats likely to vote and Specter with 41 percent, according to the Quinnipiac University survey released Monday.
June 7, 2010 — 1 day before the Arkansas election, Sam Stein in the Huffington Post:
Obama Disengages From Race As Blanche Lincoln Slips In Polls
The White House is still formally supporting Sen. Blanche Lincoln’s re-election bid as the Arkansas Democratic primary approaches its runoff vote on Tuesday. But over the past few weeks, as the incumbent senator’s prospects for holding onto the seat have became more unsettled, the president and his team have been noticeably silent about the race.
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Aides won’t go there on record, or even on background. But they don’t correct the assertion that they’ve stepped back from the race. The evidence is obvious. Save a perfunctory, donate-to-Blanche-email signed on June 2 by Vice President Joseph Biden, the type of formal campaigning that team Obama rolled out prior to the first vote (with radio ads and robocalls) has been completely non-existent.
I can tell you without fear of contradiction that in the last days of a tight race, or even a not-tight race, short of the FBI finding a stash of kiddie porn on your laptop there is nothing worse than the headline-grabbing news that the head of your party, the President of the United States, thinks you are a shitty candidate and his aides are privately saying you are going to lose.
It could easily shave 5 points off your total and mean the margin of defeat. It threatens to instantly suppress all those difficult-to-motivate 2008 “surge” voters the Democrats have been chasing, and which Obama’s support was supposed to deliver.
In the case of Specter and Lincoln, that support was promised in exchange for their votes on measures Obama is now crowing about. He tells Rolling Stone he has achieved “70%” of his campaign promises. That’s a bit far-fetched, but be that as it may, Lincoln’s vote for his health care bill cost her dearly, and without Specter’s vote for the stimulus, it never would have happened.
Now I don’t feel the least bit sorry for either of them, but it doesn’t say anything good about Obama that he would abandon them in the clinch like that either.
But this is a clear pattern with the Obama White House. Insulating the President from blame for electoral losses is paramount, even at the risk of triggering the loss. Setting up the narrative, pre-election, that the campaign was doomed anyway and there was nothing Obama could do to save it was considered more important.
So when people scratch their heads and wonder how a campaign based on hectoring the “professional left” expects to turn out voters, the answer is, it doesn’t. And you don’t see anyone who’s actually running for office this November engaging in it. They well know that your job is to inspire and energize voters in advance of the election. Obama did too — when he was running for office himself.
But now that he’s not running, and it’s someone else’s butt on the line, he’s turning the Democratic base into Martha Coakley and setting them up for the blame for any electoral failure in fall. The people who showed up to vote for him in 2008 “just weren’t serious” if they “now want to take their ball and go home.”
There is no internal consistency to the narrative that the “professional left” is suppressing turnout by criticizing Obama, but Obama is not suppressing turnout when he scolds the voters who aren’t clapping loudly enough for his achievements. But few in the professional punditocracy find their way to that obvious conclusion.
This isn’t about GOTV. It’s about setting up a fall guy for November. The headline should really read:
Obama Distances Himself From Democratic Voters
Democratic voters are all Martha Coakley now. And if shielding Obama from blame makes matters worse for those who are actually running in November? Well, that’s the price of protecting the President.





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It’s nice to be a grownup, isn’t it? :-) Small compensation for the ravages of time, but still.
Well, perhaps if FDL hadn’t been a dishonest player, with Marcy’s fake HCR numbers, Jane’s colluding with teabaggers, etc., then maybe Obama wouldn’t have to call you out.
But he is, and here’s the deal: you tried to go all Limbaugh and demand that the President and Head of the Democratic Party dance to your tune, and he refused. Now you’re in a power struggle, one you will lose, one where your only choice to “win” has been to dishonestly attack Obama with your buddies Sirota and Greenwald in order to depress the base so you an then cynically say “I told you so (and I made sure it happened).”
This strategy is no different from the GOP Party of No’s strategy, except with one fatal flaw: you’re mendaciously destroying the progressive movement because you can’t be in charge.
Oh, and quit calling yourself “The Base.” Progressive bloggers don’t represent the base, they represent a particularly far-left, marginal, and increasingly self-marginalizing part of the Democratic coalition. Learn to play in the tent, or find yourselves (once again) looking in from the outside, cursing the “veal pen” that are obviously so jealous of.
Just for the record, and Rahm I know you’re reading this so please tell your soon-to-be-former boss, I don’t want to take my ball and go home, I want to hand it to someone willing to run through a blitzing defense, find a gap, and score a touchdown.
I’m sick to death of the preening prima donna who doesn’t want to break into a sweat and ruin his close-up. He can’t catch, he can’t pass, and it’s looking like he’s toast if he tries to run.
I’d trade him, but I doubt I can find a team desperate enough to take him. So I’ll cut him asap and find a more talented replacement.
So if our opinion doesn’t matter, why are you here?
well then, Someone better drug test these guys
24.4%
Yup, all this hippie punching is to set DFH’s up as THE reason for Dems being defeated.
And poor little Obamam will have to make nice to the Repubs.
As if he hasn’t been doing so pretty much all along.
(And, now, what his promises on net neutrality?????)
you think you are going to be spared what Jane is writing about here ?
of course if you’re willing to look the other way amidst continued violations of Geneva Convention, the 1st and 4th amendments, expansion of State Secrets, you probably do
People who troubled themselves to actually read what Obama said before fulminating noted that he actually addressed his comments to “the base”:
He was affirmatively calling out “the base.” His words, not mine.
btw, Jane -
there seems to be a new wrinkle in the Hippie Punching – someone mentioned ‘ya can’t vote for Republicans !’ Biden ? Obama ? just saw it on the tv scroll this morning – anecdotally, that it went from ‘you can’t stay home!’ to ‘you can’t vote for Republicans !’ further convinces me you are correct in that they are putting together a tidy case for a wednesday morning in November
Marcy’s fake numbers? Which ones are those, pray tell?
Also, what numbers do you favor? The largely fictitious scenarios produced by OMB and CBO which will never come true?
Maybe he’s worried John Cole will return to the Republican party now that he finally realized they didn’t need 60 votes to pass health care, and his posts for the past 10 months built on that premise make him look like an raging idiot.
They’re not capable of refuting Marcy’s numbers. Just spewing something they heard from some other ranting fool, who picked it up from another ranting fool, and passed around until they created their own “urban legend.”
It’s impossible to tell where these things begin, they just repeat them and repeat them until they pass out from hyperventilation.
They do, however, represent Obama’s true bedrock of support. Lucky him.
The point here is that “the base” whoever that is, appears, from the viewpoint of Joe Biden and Barack Obama to be thinking of sitting home. I think it’s worse than that. Many are thinking of voting third Party, and even a few of just voting R to defeat their faithless D Congressperson.
Now, I think you have to quit blaming Jane and Marcy and others for that happening and start getting with reality. Reality is that the D base doesn’t like the results the Ds got since taking control. If you want to change you need to quit blaming people here and at other blogs and start shouting and Obama and the Ds to produce some results before the election.
I’ve treated the problems the Ds have with some of their base here and here.
With Congress leaving Washington soon without having done anything significant to deliver for the base I think the situation is FAIL for the Ds and I don’t think your playing the fear and anger cards is going to work to persuade people to vote again for those who have betrayed them.
one more thing -
ever since the Hippie Bashing started with that Hedge Funders fundraiser in Connecticut, I have been trying to find something I read during the Primaries – it was a piece on how Dem Leadership has been advised to bash liberals to the rich in Blue states as a winning stategy
finally, here is the statistical material they were working from Red State, Blue State by Andrew Gellman
I haven’t read the book so I don’t know whether this was Gellman’s advice or some Consultant decided to run with it, but this is definitely the source material for the post I was trying to remember
Yes, I think this is what they’re trying to do. What I don’t understand is why they think it will help them. So, they blame us and further alienate us and either split the Party for 2012, or spawn a third Party. How does that help?
Btw, MSNBC is asking whether the Ds will blame the base if they lose the election? Tamryn Hall’s going to interview someone about it, I guess. Anyway the meme is out there on cable, and the narrative will be that it’s the base’s fault because it had unrealistic expectations.
So, tell me, if a Party passes a bunch of complex, hard to understand, ambiguous legislation which apparently offers no good solutions to existent problems and that legislation is apparently unpopular with its base which is thinking of staying home, voting third party, or voting R, then who is it who was being unrealistic by assuming that its base was a bunch of ‘effin retards who had nowhere to go?
That’s really interesting. Is there a particular passage? There aren’t a lot of “rich in blue state” voters, so it must be a fundraising ploy.
I figured. I thought that Marcy’s numbers were very realistic, and make it quite clear that the Ds estimates about how many additional people will be covered by the hcr bill after 2014 are a fantasy. They’ll be lucky if they cover 15 million additional people, and by that time we’ll still have 40,000 fatalities per year due to lack of insurance after the 15 million sign on.
still googling for the passage (and that damn phantom post I read!) but yes, definitely recall it being touted as a fundraising ploy
gee, I don’t know, Clinton, KO, Rachel, and a shitload of progressive bloggers, not even to mention a shitload of Progressives in Congress agree that Obama chiding the disaffected Progressive voters is total bullshit and counterproductive to the cause.
It completely eludes me how someone so revered as a master-class “Community Organizer” and Politician can be so totally devoid of basic conflict resolution skills. All we need to hear from this guy is “Okay. Maybe we didn’t push as hard as we should have” or “Perhaps we gave away too much to bi-partisanship, but we know better and will do better next time”, but he can’t muster the humility to give us even that. It seems simple enough for even the least politically aware to figure out, which makes his refusal to do it open to speculation. Jane is right to offer her take to try to explain his constant derision of the Left and chiding of the disaffected voters…
I am not here much and I don’t know you malinowski, but as long as we are slinging aspersions and assumptions. You sound like an enraged Obamabot angry that THE BASE, not just this blog, is upset with your guy because he keeps screwing up. The humor lies in the irony of you, in turn, doing EXACTLY what Jane was just describing, ridiculing and blaming ANYONE BUT OBAMA. Nice job.
Also, yours being the first, and angriest, post supports the take that you were probably stalking Jane on twitter or on this blog waiting to jump on anything she said, which makes you nothing more than a common troll… the only mystery of you left is if you are getting paid…
oh, and, nice handle… you got the “mal” part right anyway…
The hell we’re not the base. Most of us live out here in the real world, nowhere near the Beltway. We know what our friends and neighbors are saying. We know that people are pissed off and don’t give a shit about bipartisanship and all that “centristy” bs. You can’t blame people for feeling betrayed when you spent almost two years running around saying things like “Change!” and “This is our moment!” Don’t start a rally if you’re not going to give you’re all in the game.
If the President had used his considerable house and senate majorities (and goodwill) for the common good, I’d be a little bit more sympathetic to his exhortations. Given what has actually transpired, however, I ain’t exactly shot in the ass about the whole thing.
“If we want the kind of country that respects civil rights and civil liberties, we’d better fight in this election.”
Obama voted for FISA, Military Commissions Act, The Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act. We have a NSA download function at EVERY communication hub in the USA since 1996 and Barrack the Constitutional lawyer tells us once again the he live in a Separate Reality!
Probably have something there. We are not the base for Obama conservatism. We are the base holding traditional big D Democratic principles
this just in – excerpt from Ari Berman’s Herding Donkeys
of course as Jane pointed out yesterday, this will only serve to make Emanuel the Sin Eater In Chief with this crowd
link
Agree with this take Jane. I would also add it is just another Kabuki move to endear himself to the conservatives.
They’re channeling the Nixon White House. That one turned out real well too.
What I said over at The Seminal: “The coming debacle is a self-inflicted wound, Barack, and you have no one but yourself to blame.”
You would think a President whose party was looking at major electoral losses in a midterm would spend his time on something other than writing a children’s book. You would be correct, if that President wanted to have a result other than a major electoral loss; Obamas’s quite happy with major losses. The narrower the Democratic margins in Congress, the more powerful the Blue Dogs are. The more powerful the Blue Dogs are, the less that gets changed. And Corporate America, Obama’s true masters, like the status quo just as it is. It’s quite profitable, and no one messes with the profits with impunity.
Appoint Dennis Kucinich as Chief of Staff and the “base” will be out in force in November.
I think Jane’s correct in her conclusion that the recent hippie punching is about who to blame for losses.
What I don’t get is how a Republican controlled Congress will advance a progressive agenda. Fewer Blue Dogs… I’m OK with that. Outright control of the house and endless hearings on Sestak, socialism, impeachment? Does that help in any way?
a 220 D/215 R house, 54 D/43 R/3 I senate looks like the best feasible election outcome to me. Which can only happen if some work gets done in some “Lean R” districts. Which ones? I’d say do triage based on votes on the war supplemental, Stupak amendment, and anti-Citizens United bill. bad votes on all three mean let the district go.
I’ll take it one step further:
They don’t care about staying in control of congress; in fact, they care more about losing it becoz then it makes their kabuki theatre, which always ends up with pro-corporate legislation, that much easier to direct … in fact, they don’t even have to direct it then … becoz they can use the old clinton excuse: the republicans made me do it. It makes it easier to serve their corporate masters becoz then they won’t need all the elaborate inter-party bullshit like pulling a liebermann or a nelson out of their hat at the last moment to keep the demo-zombies riveted in their seats and voting/rooting for their heroes (the obaminiation administration).
Now that they know that there will be big losses in the mid-terms they want to use the progressives as scapegoats for them and use that to further alienate progressives from their demo-zombie followers and hence move the party further to the right. It ain’t a big tent, it’s invitation only and you got to be a demo-zombie that will vote democrat no matter what the hell they do … becoz that provides them loyal votes to keep their corporate serving politicians in power … or have big money to get in.
Does anyone have a better explanation? Can they be this stupid to continually antagonize their base, their most passionate and demanding voters, right before the election? Has this tactic ever been done before in the history of american politics? Is there any poll whatsoever that shows this to be a winning strategy? And finally, when are the progressives going to figure out that you ain’t invited to the party unless you’re inebriated on their nonsense? And when are we going to start fighting back and begin the long and arduous work of creating a third party?
One of the few things that obama did not lie about was that he was quite comfortable being a one-term president. What he did lie about was whose interests he was willing to serve to risk that. Hint: it ain’t ours; it’s the exact opposite.
If we start a third party, we’ll be fringe for a while for sure, but at least we’ll maintain our dignity, pride and principles.
Z
Dood,
You. Have. No. Idea…
I’m a recovering redstater. I see how
conservativeReaganomics sold out our children. I am NOT a liberal. I’m a centrist fairness anti-exploitation voter who likes to think through the issues.Think again before you paint with the broad brush.
Hell I’m not his base and the only reason I vote for them is the other side was bat shit crazy. If this White House can’t stand the constructive criticism from progressives, then maybe they should resign and we can start over. It amazes me but then I’m not surprised that they have become repugs in their whining.
Oh sure just give us a chance for change.
I have less rights now.
Wars still going and more bases being built.
Jobs still going bye-bye.
Just won’t help those that are 99 weeks plus
Just won’t help home owners
Too many more to go on.
Wall Street bonus are following
War machine no money problems there
Yep everything is on schedule, please move along or the fbi will be at the door.
Vote for your dictator or suffer the consequences…that is a threat and coersion…this man gave away our p8blic treasury (still) threw accountability out the window with a “not looking back policy” while millions lost their homes and their retirement. The Banksters declared huge bonuses and profits one year later while the army of unemployed go begging at food banks. “Looking forward” more more of the same.
were you the one saying BHO will be talking to the paintings soon? too funny.
Oh I fogot
Thanks to Jane and every one else that writes here and has spent time on trying to get True Progressives on the tickets around the nation.
what jo6pac said.
“Buck up” say Obama and Biden – let’s make that an “F”
I perked up when Biden told his fellow Dems to “buck up” – that people should stop whining because the Obama administration is delivering on its mandate and deserves their votes this November.
I gasped. Surely this was yet another big Biden screwup. No Dem would dare risking alienating the progressive base with such a smarmy slogan as a way to breach the enthusiasm gap.
You sell us on your achievements. You don’t treat the base with contempt.
But now it appears this is actually a new campaign theme. President Obama himself used the phrase “buck up” in a recent interview with Rolling Stone.
The biggest problem for Obama is that this “buck up” mantra is probably how he really feels. A technocrat to the core, our cerebral president was never the progressive many wanted him to be. But at least we thought he was smart enough to know that he would have to throw us a juicy bone now and then.
I am beginning to think that there is a cabal of conservative elders who meet with each in-coming president the night of the inauguration. They sit down with the new prez, over cognac and cigars, and tell him how things really work – maybe show him a photo of JFK as a way to driving home what happens to those that don’t listen.
The message is simple – give the rich and the corporations that enrich them everything they ask for. Bleed the middle class and the poor to pay for a bloated military that forces the rest of the world to bend to our will. And the new wrinkle since 9/11 is to use that tragedy to persuade folks to give up what little liberty they had left.
more at >>>
http://lansingonlinenews.com/news/buck-up-say-obama-and-biden-lets-make-that-an-f/
As a Progressive Democrat I really hate being treated like a spoiled child with the President and Vice president telling me to STFU! We have supported them, given our all in helping them, and tried our level best to send the right message on HCR, Taxation, Jobs, Economic issues and more. Ya know, they just didn’t want to listen after gaining office. Now, they want to treat me like an inexperienced, uneducated child.
Okay, here it goes:
Na-na, na-na, na-na, Can’t Hear You!
Some pundit pointed out that if the close races go to the conservative GOP that will actually leave proportionally fewer Blue Dogs in Congress and empower a more cohesive liberal caucus. I think there may be something to the notion. Frankly I would just as soon Blue Dogs lose even if the majority is lost. At least there won’t be that cloud that includes the Blue Dogs purporting to be supporting progressive agenda. eg headline: “high percentage of Democrats support continuing tax cuts for wealthy” No that is not a traditional Democratic position. It just gives the conservative Obama cover.
I find the President’s remarks incredible.
“…the most successful administration in a generation in moving progressive agendas forward.”?
My progressive agenda includes:
1) Reduction of the obscene inequality in the U.S. (it’s getting worse under Obama),
2) Health care for all (Obama blew it),
3) A principled defense of civil liberties (he’s trying to assassinate Americans),
4) Reduce military spending and end the stupidity that is DADT (not happening under Obama),
5) Defend Social Security to the hilt (instead we get Obama’s Catfood Commission).
BHO has a really really really weird moth-to-the-flame aspect to him. Trying to endear himself to those who will never ever ever ever accept him? WTH??? And dissing those who would. so frigging weird.
As Woody Allen/Groucho Marx said:
Who are “they” Jane? You got a “us” against “them” thang going on?
Damn, some nervous, not-terribly-well-informed demannellies are certainly mooning about.
You’d think, if we are so unimportant, so stupid, and so un-serious, that we wouldn’t be worth the effort to cajole.
And the cajolery won’t “work” any more than Barack Obama or the Dimocritic Congress have “worked” except at furthering the executive power grab which diminishes the Constitutional power and prerogatives of Congress, the Judiciary and the people themselves.
Nervous demannellies are not much on substance but they certainly have got the pearl-clutching down to a rote, Rotunda-lite sound-bite, perfectly in keeping with the arrogance of state secrecy and drone-killing adventures in many countries; seventy, was the number the Administration proudly bandied about … if memory serves.
For all the pearl clutching and the whining going on, there has been precious little talk of principle or of humanity.
Just a sad lot of fear-mongering, hand-wringing, and vituperous assault.
Is that the “new” Democratic, “brand”, now?
I wonder.
DW
They want our vote? Let’s do some horse trading. Dennis as Chief of Staff and we all vote.
If I was Obama, and wanted to be sure that my Catfood Commission policies were forced on the American people, and at the same time deflect blame away from the Democrats…. Who would I want to win in November?
The White House is also going to make good use of Rahm’s departure to deflect blame from the president. I sort of assumed from the beginning that part of Rahm’s job description was to serve has designated scapegoat, providing Obama with some degree of implausible deniability. The rest of the inner circle is really busy sharpening their long knives now that Rahm is headed out the door.
So, we have another president who refuses to acknowledge or accept responsiblity for his own shortcomings. Oh well, I’m certain he’ll become a born-again man of the people in time for 2012. I can’t wait.
Badmouthing evil “Progressives.” Glenn Beck, is that you?
Exactly. Why concern yourselves with retarded fucking liberals who are ungrateful and on the fringe.
Message to Obama and minions, your real base, the wall street corporate puppet masters, have them produce for ya election time. You took care of them now they can take care of you. You needn’t concern yourselves with us.
My decision to go Green looks better everytime Obama and his minions open their mouths!
Yeah we’re all just picking at superficial warts in the administration. It’s got nothing to do with perhaps a bone-deep deformity. Has Obama had the warts checked? Maybe it’s cancer.
Just another cowardly DK troll doing a hit and run. At least (some of) the wingnut trolls have the guts to stick around and try to dodge the flak.
cute trick there, feign ignorance in a juvenile attempt to impeach the messenger
and over something as obvious as the “who are they” too…(for those that didn’t read the post, the “they” are the people who call marcy’s numbers wrong)
jane’s really getting to you, eh?
seems jane’s posts are really doing the trick, the omama rhamas are coming out in force
KEWL
I didn’t know the gender of the commenter and didn’t want to assume, but it’s not the first comment of its type around here. So the use of “they” was appropriate to “people who have raised this point.”
That could be his three Aces. However, all he has to do is disband the cat-food commission or direct their cuts in areas other than Medicare and Social Security. He could grow a pair and tell them Hands-Off!
Chris Hedges – Bankrupt Left Has Plunged Working Class Into Tremendous Poverty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRTOlpq4j54&feature=related
2:41 min.
Do you consider Obama’s first two years a success? By what measure? I am so offended by the man, a community organizer who approves political murders; who sends drones into Pakistan, an act of war, and expects the bombs to get them to like us. Health care reform is a joke. It is mostly about health insurance. For profit health insurance is the problem, not the solution. The health care reform bill, contrary to the White House spin, isn’t a step in the right direction.
That said, I will vote Democratic in November. I feel the Dems are going to get beat bad maybe even in my state, but it won’t be because of me. Bad as they are the Repubs are worse and it’s either Tweedledum or Tweedledee, the lesser of two fairly bad evils. I’m voting for Jim Himes who I truly dislike, because I see a Repub controlled house as worse. It is not a triumph of democracy, but you can’t blame it on FDL or the liberal bloggers. Obama, man of the people, harbinger of change, killed the dream. We’ll have to wait for the next dreamer, keeping our fingers crossed.
“I’m not looking to pick another fight with Rahm Emanuel, but the contempt with which he held the progressive wing of the party was devastating and incredibly demoralizing,” Dean said. “That’s basically saying to your own people — you got us here, now FU.”
I love that guy. I hate to see him leave the White House. He sure had you people pegged.
Oh, Daily Kos? I read DK as dennis kucinich at first. :O.
I tell ya, I need more coffee. And a Fairness Party!
The problem is that EVERYBODY is pissed off at Wall Street and our govt officials. They are all the problem. We the voters are not represented at all. And they are SHOCKED that we know!!
I’ve seen it all over the toobz today. OFA must’ve activated the borg to fan out in anticipation of the Rolling Stone article’s appearance.
The standard refrain:
1) Attack the author personally
2) Don’t address any of their points substantively
3) Keep repeating over and over whatever Obama says as if it’s scripture
We’re living in the era of TechnoPravda.
Hey Jane,
Chris Hedges to Poverty Scholars: US Government Lacks Legitimacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUKn19Sg0vo&feature=related
I am sick and tired of the Obama bashing going on over here. I don’t come here anymore. I miss Christy. Jane teamed up with the tea partiers just to get her way or the highway. No one elected Jane. She has turned in to someone saying outrageous things to get on tv — we know the likes. Go ahead and bash Obama again and again and again and again and you will get what you deserve but we the people will suffer because if these idiot people get into office, it will help absolutely no one. I can now get health insurance where I could not before. I don’t guess Jane is in that category because she doesn’t care about the people that it will help.
The strategy underlying the talking points coming from the WH is all too obvious. But then what could you expect from a President who’s completely full of sh*t. He’s making Bush look like a choir boy.
Obama throws Dem base under the bus.
I’m no expert, but to me, he’s throwing in the towel on November.
Blaming this on “a handful” of lefty bloggers is getting pretty pathetic. It’s unrealistic too.
It’s much more likely that the “lefty bloggers” are saying what the “silent majority” of the base is thinking.
A lot of this assumes that Obama actually knows what he’s doing. I’m beginning to wonder if he really doesn’t. He got up to being a United States Senator fairly well, but then had a failure of nerve and asked Tom Daschle — who got his butt kicked in 2002 by John Thune and has been a lobbyist every since — to show him the DC ropes. Once that happened, he was doomed to become a corporatist believing that selling out to guarantee big campaign dollars is a necessary fact of life.
There was one person that called into question Marcy’s numbers. One.
Steny Hoyer is already plotting to use his own power bloc — which he and Rahm spent millions electings — to topple Nancy Pelosi, win or lose.
If someone had a legitimate argument, you’d think they would want to try to defend it.
Pols have the divide and conquer game down pat. Keep the disenfranchised pitted against each other lest we band together and overthrow their kleptocracy.
Be careful what you wish for. Whenever he gets in “campaign mode” and eloquently advocates the demands of Democratic voters (and reiterates his own campaign positions), as with his strong commitment to a public option…it means he’s already given everything away.
Thanks, Jane, for all that you’ve done as a progressive. I very much appreciate your posts here and your other work.
I admit to being a bleeding edge life-long liberal, who reluctantly associated as a Democratic voter. Perhaps I am not “the base,” but in truth, I don’t feel that I’m that far afield from what the vast majority of those who elected/hired Obama expected and wanted him to do… in the main, at least attempt to follow through on *some* of his campagin promises.
Not only did Obama ignore and walk away from his campaign promises, he’s doubled-down on Bush policies, kept Bushites in his Admin and the agencies, endorsed efforts to worsen a woman’s right to choose, bashed public education, endorsed torture & assassination of US citizens, continued BOTH wars, expanded the wars, refused to support the repeal of DADT…. and that’s just for starters.
If WE don’t stand up to this lying b.s., who will? Think it’ll be “worse” with a rightwing admin and congress? Possibly, but at least then we hippies can point out how “bad” it is, rather than the corporate-owned rightwing media spinning crap and saying that what Obama is doing is “liberal.” No. it’s. not.
But the longer that Obama stays in and the corporate-owned rightwing media says Obama is a “liberal socialist,” the faster the Overton window is moved to the right.
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights. Don’t give up the fight (thank you, Bob Marley). This is a battle. Capitualation is unacceptable.
Her’s an article/column that’s so dead on, it would be even hard to swallow for the FDL community.
Retribution for a World Lost in Screens
http://www.truth-out.org/chris-hedges-retribution-a-world-lost-screens63624
Kucinich’s appointment would throw shock waves through everyone, and I’d love it. I remembered this morning, though, that Ed Schulz threw out Chris Van Hollen’s name for CoS a couple of weeks ago. We all know Ed didn’t come up with that on his own. I thought maybe Daschle, but I’ll bet Van Hollen’s getting some serious attention.
It’s amazing how stupid Obama’s people in DC are, punching and kicking the hippies all the way to the voting booths, only to have the hippies go in there and vote third party.
They’re not really presenting an argument, just asserting a brand identity.
Obama instead of blaming us a question why were you not putting this much effort into getting you agenda passed.
Claiming that you passed your agenda is as funny as a story a Polish immigrant told me about how Poland stopped the hordes of Genghis Khan.
After going through Poland they invaded Hungary. Your attempts to claim victory ring equally as weak.
I believe the acronym is ROTFLMAO?
Wait a minute! Jane has not told anyone to NOT VOTE. I’m voting and let me tell you, I know the GOP is worse. The problem is not whether we vote or not. The problem is they are telling us to SHUT UP!
They are OUR REPRESENTATIVES! WE PAY THEM! They should listen to us or get FIRED!
Indeed. As someone said, we do have rightwing trolls who stick around and defend their arguments. I welcome that, even if I don’t agree, as long as they’re not totally obnoxious.
Trolling and running is b.s.
No your lying to us about ending the wars and fixing the economy was! We never would have voted for you if this was the future.
Yes, we do know the likes and Jane is hardly one of them.
OK, so you are loyal to Obama because you can now get health care. That is a good reason, a valid reason.
That doesn’t negate the many many valid criticisms of BHO. I for one expected Gitmo to close for sure. I for one expected credit default swaps to be OUTLAWED forEVER. I sure didn’t expect for BHO to continue some of the most egregious war policies and assaults on individual privacy. I didn’t expect this unholy deference to the party we thought we outvoted in 2010 and dissing of the party who is supposed to be in charge.
That is superb, fuckno.
I hope everyone on this thread, especially our visitors, dares to read and understand.
DW
if the base are those who walk in lockstep to the tune of this administration, as it expands the powers of the executive branch to spy and murder, then I am happily not a part of the base.
The power to murder citizens, secretly, and while being judge, jury and executioner; plus the expanded powers to spy on citizens, those things will survive this administration.
How people can clap, and complain about people who are not behind what this administration is doing is beyond me. That’s a tough sell.
Blaming those you are supposed to represent is classless. Ugly. Blaming others for your lack of inspiration, is clueless.
And all this blaming only shows they promise more of the same.
LOL! True. I’ll take that wish back. Heh, he probably has already gone and done it. Just waiting for the elections to plaster it all over the Noooze.
activated the Borg indeed
apparently they’ve finally put OFA on defrost – lotsa super-kewl watch parties for the Wisconsin Rally and everything !
Everybody . . .
I say Hopey ! You say Changey !
oh my, and I had Tom Daschle in that pool X~o
Yes! And why are these people talking in terms of “the base” anyway? Why aren’t they talking to all voters as Americans? Why is it always this left/right crap?
I talk to myself too much.
All I’ve seen from OFA today is “watch the Wisconsin rally” stuff.
Move On wants me to test a new phone tool for activating GoTV workers.
nothing about the Rolling Stone article.
That was incoherent. Power struggle? Obama has power. The rest of us don’t. There ain’t no struggle.
This is about whether Obama has the balls to govern, or if he’s just interested in Obama. It is increasingly apparent that Obama is about Obama, and the rest of us can go get lost. Look at the stimulus: Way too small. Why? Because, with the country in need and unemployment rampant, Obama was more interested in his image as a bipartisan leader than in his duty to his country. So he made concession after concession in pursuit of this selfish ideal. He got nothing for his troubles (and appears to have learned nothing), but the rest of us suffer. But that’s OK; it wasn’t his fault, see? It was those obstructionist Republicans, who had no power!
So go worship your man. That’s clearly what he wants. I don’t have to be party to this travesty though.
Ding, ding, ding! Money quote. I’m hearing more & more grumbling & complaining from my non-blogging, not-a-political-junkie, trad-Dem friends these days. Seriously. People are waking up & realizing that we’ve been “had” by the Fraud in Chief.
Those who wish to remain in denial are welcome to do so, but that’s all it is: denial. Rail if you like at the dfh leftie bloggers; that’s just shooting the messenger. Obama is NOT a Democrat; he’s NOT a “friend” to his base (however you wish to define that); he is a corporatist through and through. Just wait’ll Obama’s handpicked rightwing stacked Catfood Commission gets done stealing YOUR Soc Sec. Then come back and cry a river about “unfair” the nasty liberal bloggers were to point this out.
On dd’s thread earlier a commenter had a link to a Matt (?) Daou piece analyzing the administrations disdain for, exasperation with, and fear of the “professional left” and it had this superb analogy:
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Jane this is the Authoritarian Personalty response to problems…Obama is worse than even I thought and I thought I was radical even for the Lake.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
So now that we all know that ObamaRahma have had no intension of winnin’ this midterm and the “narrative” has been set to cover for Obama’s coming bi-partisan cooperation with the Republican Taliban…what is the progressive vanguard that is s’posed ta be fightin’ for a new politics and easing the sufferin’ of the mass of Americans doin? I’ll tell ya…they’re tellin’ folks not to vote and ridiculin’ those who are tryin ta keep another 10 years of frindly fascism from happenin’ startin this November. WTF???!!! Where are those fast talkin’ geniuses who have been talkin’ folks out of their money to support progressive candidates and a progressive politics when they have the opportunity to change the equation in our existin’ executive dominated system and create the opportunity for a broad congress based progress coalition in the legislature that could dominate a weak President with a re-election looming? What are these cutting edge progressive brain trustees doin’…they’re pullin’ a Ralph Nader and welcomin’ the fascists into our living rooms!!
Sister Hamsher, I have been donatin’ and supportin’ your efforts at bendin the curve of our politics for over 4 years but you’ve lost me. And if you lose an easy mark like me I can’t believe there are many dumber with any money left.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN AMMUNITION IF YOU’RE GUNNA STOP FIGHTIN’!!
I am not an Obama loyalist and I do not agree with everything he has done but cannot anyone say something positive? I mean, really. So he is not perfect. Big DUH! So throw the baby out with the bath water? Besides, he is not running for re-election this November.
Obama’s appeals are ingroup Borg appeals an Authoritarian would use. He sounds like a kid who is angry everyone is leaving his club and going somewhere else he is the one who sounds whinny.
Obama says: “…versus an administration that, with some admitted warts, has been the most successful administration in a generation in moving progressive agendas forward.”
He must be snorting coke again.
If you can spare an hour for a brutally honest appraisal of where we’re at and what we have become:
If anyone at this point, it is Chris Hedges who ought to be invited to have a chat with us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUKn19Sg0vo&feature=related
I think Dem leaders use “base” as an adjective, not as a noun.
Who would you have voted for?
At the end of the day a president that lied to get elected and then blames the “Base” for irresponsibility has admitted his credibility is gone.
Exactamundo! It goes to show you that they really don’t care about the “base” or any other voting American.
I gotta agree with somebody above that says the base is Wall Street, not Main Street. I still like responding to Joe Biden and President like a child with my fingers in my ears.
“Na-na, Na-na, na-na, I can’t hear you!”
I like how this post obliterates premise that this noisy mouthing off to the press about imaginary enemies in the blogosphere has anything to do with winning elections. FDL has done a very good job today of helping crystallize my understanding of an adminstration that I thought had stopped surprising me with its cynicism.
BTW, you can argue about who the base is until your face turns blue. The proof will be the election. If you’re right and the malcontents don’t represent the base, then Dems will have no problems, right?
We are thinking third party we can’t fight if our leaders surrender to the GOP without a fight. We are angry Obama has spent more time attacking us than he ever has the GOP.
Please stay at the Lake feel free to disagree.
Unity behind the Elmer Fudd Theory of Electoral Victory!
Say something positive about Obama? Sure.
He has a nice dog.
Hope that helped. :)
Dennis!
No, Obama is not running this Nov, but he is the leader of the Democratic party.
If you’re not an “Obama loyalist,” but you think something “positive” should be said about him, why don’t you provide the “positive comments.” I can’t think of any, although I’ve provided a rather lengthy initial list of things I do NOT like (and which contravene what Obama said he’d do during the campaign.).
So, uh: give us a list of the “good things” Obama has done (being serious and not said mean-spiritedly. I’d like to know). Thanks.
The only thing we have asked is that he keep his campaign promises – that he voluntarily made. Don’t you expect the people you do business with to keep their promises? We hired him – he is our employee.
What is OFA?
you know, that’s a really good point, we are not “the base” we happen to represent the majority of obama’s voting constituents, actually we represent the majority of america, we’re not “left” or “fringe” we happen to be the majority, a majority which corporate media has managed to characterize as “the left” and “the fringe” and “the base”
by associating us with “the base” he is trying to make an analogy between us and the republican base, the two though are mutually exclusive, the republican base is a fringe of people who represent a vast minority
anything positive to say? I guess not.
I remember reading a post here before the primaries of Jane admitting to someone who asked her what she was going to do if a dem won, and she replied that she would be even harder on them (words to that effect).
Don’t you see? Pols don’t follow through unless the heat is on. And if the heat only comes from the right, well then, that’s who will get the goodies.
Obama for America, the general election campaign which elected Barack Obama
You talking write in? He’d get your vote and a few more. Don’t forget that for whatever reason Dennis voted for HCR without a public option. Too bad. I guess everyone has clay feet.
Isn’t that a tad egocentric?
Exactamundo… the proof will be in the pudding. If it’s just a teensy minority of “idiotic progressive bloggers,” then why get upset. Why bash us? If we’re so insignificant, then why not just ignore us? Begs the question…
This is unfair to Obama. Just as these nanobot borgs who scuttle out of the tubes should be referred to as “they”, it’s more appropriate to refer to “they”, or his “administration” when talking about the policies over which this placeholder president presides. There’s nothing authoritarian about him. Even his egregiously authoritarian executive orders, torture and assassinations arise from a collective national security junta of eminences grises. He’s a charismatic cipher.
That would be a most welcome chat, from my perspective, fuckno.
Perhaps it might be arranged?
And, if it is, you would be most excellent as host.
DW
This board is crawling with White House lackeys.
Barry to The Base: “Vote For Me — And Fuck You!”
Short answer: No. And you haven’t answered my request: list a few “positive things” that Obama’s done. Please. I’d really like to know.
Very good point Diary:)
Oh, and of course if you dare criticize Obama you’re a PUMA who was angling for a job in Hillary’s administration, according to at least one O-pologist who apparently forgets all the crap Jane took from actual PUMAs and other Hillary fans:
Oh, and FDL is just a big echo chamber of screaming haters:
Meanwhile, one of the commenter voices of reason tries reasoning, but the other folks in the echo chamber were too busy patting the blogger in question on the back to notice the commenter’s point:
Obama is a tarnished brand, sort of like BP, but way way worse!
maybe. but it feels true…
:)
I think we can get a Primary challenge to Obama or form a third party we are as Perris notes the majority of voters on the issues the voters think are the most important.
Nah, it just shows who he really loves. He keeps dangling those keys at them telling them how bad they drive.
End the end, he gives them a safety belt and the keys.
Jane,
I personally find it a beautiful thing that Obama is blaming the Left for the impending Democratic losses. This will only help to serve our agenda in terms of holding politicians accountable for their actions.
If his narrative sticks (and I hope it does) it will most certainly make the progressives in Congress fear us in the future. The last thing we’d want is for the far right to take credit for these losses.
Obama is essentially weakening his Centrist-focused agenda by basically declaring the Left to be a powerful force which can easily take down the Democratic party.
Yes. The Fuddists are losing the debate here at FDL, badly. The fact that their campaign strategy cannot stand scrutiny holds out great hope for all of us that fewer and fewer people will remain Fuddists, now and in 2012.
PUMA? Jane? wow. just wow.
Destroying Social Security with the loon Alan Simpson as executioner, making us pay Big Pharma 10 times what they charge for meds in other nations, and needlessly killing tens of thousands of people in needless wars is part of a progressive agenda?
Your ilk are nothing but power hungry sellouts who pretend to be progressives. Your time in power is justifiably about to end.
He is also Commander in Chief and president of the United States — all of the states, all of the people. There are some legitimate concerns here, but they are a fraction of what Obama is responsible for. Get a grip. I agree. Quit whining and hand wringing. It took eight years for Bush to bring down this country and it is going to take more than two years to fix it.
that “one” person was referencing, thus the “they”
common, simple stuff
but try again if you want
When has a pol ever dissed his base? I can’t think of an instance. Obama is not ready for prime time.
Good. I hope they are taking very good notes.
Could be but the hurt is worse Obama ran with our support by saying he stood with us on the issues.
Then he betrays us and lies about keeping his promises and that does hurt.
Then he attacks us because we are upset with his lying about keeping his promises sorry I’m not a victim I don’t take crap!
Because I have an ego.
Rewind. It’s 2000. Now it’s 2004. You know there are some very egocentric complaints here that Obama bashes “us” more than the GOP. Well you can certainly say that FDL bashes Obama more than the GOP.
That might have fair point, but actually, the admistration’s recent disproportionate and noisy concern with the criticism from people like Jane Hamsher and Glenn Greenwald is pretty weird and delusional, and demands an explanation. They’ve established a pattern of tough talk against bloggers on the left at the same time they’re not even trying to win the elections by demanding a middle class tax cut. Rather than simply being stupefied by the obvious contrast, we’re trying to figure out what their political game is, because it’s certainly got nothing to do with beating Republicans.
Whether FDL or the Internet existed, I would still feel the same way. My opinion of Obama has, quite honestly, not been influenced by Jane Hamsher and anyone else blogging either here or elsewhere.
I read the news; I follow what’s going on; I utilize my critical thinking skills; I do my own research; I figure out what my opinion is for myself.
It’s just “nice” that there are others out there who happen to see reality like I do, and we happen to agree on many things in the political realm.
I don’t need Jane or anyone else to tell me how to think, but finding like-minded fellow travelers is helpful to pushing foward goals for the common good.
I think some get confused and feel that we’ve all been hypnotized by Jane or something…. ???
Sister Jane! Nice job of busting the White House’s narrative- and nation-jacking myths. Thanks, I bow in your virtual direction.
Snark?
You are still refusing to answer my request: please list some “positive things” that Obama has done. Still waiting (3rd time ask).
The best you can do in defending Obama is question a comments semantics?
The admin has been attacking “liberals” practically from the beginning while Obama played nice with the Republicans, supposedly in the pursuit of bipartisanship but more likely because he has much more in common with them (perpetual war, handouts to banks and corporations, etc.).
Can’t say I’m surprised, why would a conservative president behave any differently?
Do you speak English? One person is he or she. One or more persons is “they”.
Methinks you’re right on the mark with this comment:
“They don’t care about staying in control of congress; in fact, they care more about losing it becoz then it makes their kabuki theatre, which always ends up with pro-corporate legislation, that much easier to direct … in fact, they don’t even have to direct it then … becoz they can use the old clinton excuse: the republicans made me do it.”
And if he doesn’t we all make mistakes grammar troll.
Just Obama’s “enhanced” national security powers is enough to oppose him.
I hope all of DC is nervous. The fact that the fricking SF Chron would not endorse Boxer is a great indicator of the anti-incumbent mood.
It’s not enough to get elected and re-elected ad nauseum. Do your flipping job and stop taking voters for granted.
I feel sorry that Boxer is the one taking the hit against The Carly. But the faceoff with the horrendous, vile Fiorina just underscores the point that we will no longer reflexively endorse the lesser evil, even and especially if they are an incumbent.
I gotta wonder if BHO is taking major heat from the dems up for re-election (pardon me if I missed this) for being too nice and not fighting for his appointments and not fighting for his agenda.
Authoritarians don’t answer questions on issues its all personal to them.
It will take more than 2 years and when you speak to Obama, could you ask him to get started.
I do agree that it took Bush 8 years, but let me tell you I felt it after his first year.
I don’t have one of those touchy-feely moments with Obama. I mean, I still don’t have any job prospects, no sense of a new Economic Policy, or a determined President.
How long does it take to stand up and say: “From this day forward, the Bush economy, wars, and service industry job plan is OVER!”
How do you propose doing that without becoming Ralph Nader? Perhaps you mean to vote Green. They’ve been around a while with comparatively little success. I agree, though, we should discuss alternatives. Perhaps have an alternatives section on FDL which has a different format than comments in the hope of getting something coherent, not a disorganized collection of rants.
I thought I’d try, and I truly & honestly would *like* to see a list of “positive things” that Obama has allegedly done. Being serious and not snarky.
Yet, as we see, there is no list of “positive accomplishments” from the Obama supporter who claims not to be a “loyalist.” So much for that. I wanted information and to be educated, and I guess I DID get information and an education.
There simply is NO list of “positive things” that Obama has done. Just as thought. Thanks for the verification. Nice try at dodging and weaving; won’t work. Got it.
When Obama stops bashing me… taking away my freedoms giving away resources to the rich and impoverishing more and more Americans…I might, might, think of forgiving but never supporting his damaging policies against world peace and prosperity. As a footnote it was Dems under Clinton that gave this process juice…legislation against financial regulation. It was Dems Vietnam War take it to the bank the Democratic party does not have a progressive bone in it’s body.
No, it’s the truth.
I find it deeply hilarious when O-pologist bloggers attack Jane for doing what Markos Moulitsas and other progressives have done, which is to occasionally work with non-progressives towards progressive goals. They have no problem with Obama appointing Republicans and other corporatists to high office, or with his constantly trying to appease Republicans and conservatives, as opposed to fight for what he says he wants.
Remember when the big storyline was that “reconciliation can’t be used to pass the health bill”? Now it’s “there were never even 50 votes for a public option” — when in fact there were indeed at least 50 votes before the May 11, 2009 meeting in which the public option and Medicare drug price negotiation were dealt away in exchange for millions of dollars in pro-Democratic ads from the health care industry. But of course this never gets mentioned by the O-pologists.
Wake up, this is Bush’s third term on steroids!
Is there room in Obama’s tent for Immigrants or those with less than good english? Obama like Bush has a bunch of fast talkers with perfect english and degrees to bad they all seem to be Chicago School Economists. I’ll take a Keynesian with a few grammar problems over 100 NeoHoovers with perfect English.
I forgot about Blanche Lincoln, that’s an Ahhh… moment in itself. Just about the only thing that’s gone right. I anticipate a few more of those in November.
Exactly, one or more (especially when gender is unknown, and hence one cannot assign “he” or “she” and is attempting to avoid unnecessary arguments).
Look at the diaries we already have had several about third parties.
good one
do I speak english
good one
when you are referencing you use “they”, for instance, you would be;
“those people who try to impeach a person with rediculous rhetoric”
get it yet?
I am done with linguistics for the day, have a good one
Ok you tried to be fair I got you.
The way you delimit time frames reveals an uncritical partisanship — indeed, partisanship is not really the right word, as you’re being supportive of the administration at the expense of the Democratic Party. People on the left have a problem that goes beyond that neatly sliced tranche of eight years you blame on Bush. For example, we blame Clinton’s administration for deregulating Wall Street, and some of us understand that his policy of “regime change” against Iraq was a necessary precursor to invading that country. On a more current note, when Obama covers up the war crimes, torture and violations of civil liberties of the Bush administration, and even expands those abuses to assassinating American citizens without judicial review, then we’re critical. It’s the DNC’s job to cheerlead (to take an example), not mine.
Corporatists, all of them.
As terrible as Bush was people expected him to govern from the right. They expected something better from Obama and it never materialized. He has retained and expanded upon most Bush policies. Obama’s signature policy initiative of health care reform turned out to be little more than a giant cash funnel to private insurance and drug companies.
Bashing Obama vs bashing Republicans? Pretty much the same thing.
Probably not just expressing myself well.
Nice:)
tee-hEE. Tee-Hee. “snicker” “spit” LOL!
By all means, Ask him to get started right away. We’ve been waiting for two years now.
Yeah. The woman who couldn’t stand the hardcore partisans for both sides — in large part because she knew that there wasn’t much policy daylight between Hillary Clinton and Obama — is according to some people not only a PUMA, but somebody who was angling for a job in the Hillary Clinton administration!
That strangled laugh you hear is Jane choking on whatever beverage she’s having as she reads this.
No you seem to be arguing Obama is not in control if I read you right. I would respectfully disagree and say Obama choose to join the Borg and thus has responsibility for its acts.
You know your opponent’s argument must be weak when they become fixated on grammar. :)
Not YOU, Things! “g”
I always thought my grammar was my momma’s momma.
I asked Peter Daou to expand on his claim -
“Obama has done much good”
Is there any way for us to remind Obama that he actually told us to let him know when things were not right?
Sheesh, maybe I dreamed that one up too. I probably had my fingers in my ears again. Hey, Mikey! Will you try this bowl? You’ll eat anything.
BINGO!!!
Well and truly, even beautifully said, TheCallUp.
DW
Congressional election are in my mind quite different than Presidential. His “base” is the Dems in congress that Rahm has arm twisted to vote against their own interest of their base. Mr. Offended has knee capped his congress. He is blaming others for his actions. He is a one termer.
Well, he does have a nice-looking family.
Reaching across the aisle to the Republicans requires turning your back on your base.
Good to “see” you again, knowbuddhat, it has been a while.
Been missing your diaries.
DW
As much as I hate to say it (for the 2nd time today), that might be a good reason to vote to keep the Dems in power. Then we could keep hectoring them to do what they promised.
As soon as he won he handed that apparatus over to the conservative wing of the Dem party. It is a fact that seems lost on the naive.
That sounds good as a slogan, but it’s not exactly accurate.
In order to hector someone, you need their ear.
Yes, I heard somewhere today that should the GOP become the majority traditionally the Speaker would join the back bench and Hoyer would have the position as minority leader. I haven’t crunched figures but I would love to see Pelosi have the support to change that. On the other hand, if I were Pelosi I just might be ready for some beach time. She has had to prevail over Obama’s obvious disregard and disrespect.
WOW!
Thank you muchly for that link. That WAS an awesome read.
Wish I’d taken sped reding though… back to the comments…
I think the fixation on Obama, in the heat of rhetoric, is the inverse of the adulation he gets from some of his least critical supporters and commenters.
How is he “in control”? Sure, he operates some of the levers of power. But not all; witness the way he let himself be coaxed into escalating in Afghanistan. Was that the “decision” of a real decision maker? The extent of his decision making has been to lard his administration with the existing military and economic establishment and to insulate himself from anyone with a compehensive criticism of that establishment.
Obama doesn’t like to make waves. At times this was an appealing aspect of his persona. But we don’t have the luxury of the relatively stable country we had when he was a mere candidate in the Senate. He doesn’t want to make waves, but the storm is already here, and the country is foundering.
Ayep.
Anyone know what happened with Irene?
Ahh, DW!!
It WAS good, wasn’t it??
VERY WELL said indiepro!!!!
Coaxed? Obama always intended to escalate in Afghanistan. Might be the only campaign promise he actually kept.
Twain, you dropped that “… could you ask him to get started?” in so smoothly …well, ya busted my gut ya did.
ROFL (the dog and both cats gathered ’round to see if I were alright).
Shore appreciated the laugh and the complete truth.
;~DW
Point taken. In fact that promise from the Democrats goes all the way back to Kerry in 2004.
You would absolutely flunk English grammar. “They” is never correct when referencing one person. At least Jane got it.
She understands, why don’t you?
Great article. Thanks. I would have missed it.
I agree with DWB, nicely done, Twain.
Especially if no one is making a serious effort to fix it.
FDL has become some far left that it is as bad as the right.
Given up on responding to content and sticking with grammar, eh?
If they won’t listen when they need the votes, what makes you think they’ll listen when they don’t need the votes?
I don’t even think it’s about the blame. This is just a way to suppress any progressive vote–as they’ve been earnestly trying to accomplish since the first 100 days–so they can run against a Republican Congress. Seems so obvious that the various constituencies are being played like a fiddle to make Obama’s plutocratic administration seem not so bad compared to the crazies going into 2012. The whole American institution is rotten to me. I don’t believe in the party or faction crap anymore–it’s all lies. I don’t even care about the short game of needing to keep Congress. Meh. It’s been 4 years and I clearly remember a couple of things from the beginning of those 4 years: a) impeachment hearings were immediately off the table and b) Congressional defunding of the Iraq war was thrown away. Obama just seems to be an organic manifestation of this rotten system we’ve spawned and he’s the corollary to the awful Congress we elected. Hate to sound conspiratorial and whatnot, but even before this blame game Obama wanted the Dems out of Congress. Many fools are being played.
If we can find some conservative folks to make an ad hoc political coalition to throw all the bums out, then I say go for it. But perhaps it’s just too late for that.
OK when did Jane set up an agenda that wasn’t in the Democratic platform in 2008? As to Jane wanting to be a king or queen maker like sister Sara you are wrong. Jane is not out endorsing candidates in an effort to raise her profile. Jane has a set of principles and sticks by them. Unlike the Obamabots who screamed when Bush was using warrant-less wire taps and now defend Obama wanting to spy on our email and kill Americans without due process and claiming that the courts can not even review what he is doing because he is a god king.
Does this president realize that Democrats are going to help Darrell Issa impeach him if he does not knock it off? And running for re-election against a Congress that is putting the skids under him which was put there to do exactly that is not the reasoning of someone who is sane. Did he even take civics in high school? The public does not like your policies Mr President. They are going to elect a Congress to stop you. Do you understand? You fucked over your own parties congress persons and now they are going to lose. Because of you. Setting up scapegoats is not going to work.
Please don’t give up on Jane.
Isn’t it possible you’re assigning to Jane the viewpoints of those posting here (like me?)? I’ve NEVER heard Jane suggest, in any way, to not support Democrats. I don’t think I’ll ever hear Jane say that. It’s just posters here saying that, not Jane.
Would you prefer she ban those of us saying those things? I mean, short of that, how could she be responsible for the things we say?
Wow, neither substantive or grammatically correct.
You mean the fact that the left doesn’t follow blindly as Obama says things makes us as bad as the right which did follow Bush blindly?
Interesting analogy you have going there
Your logic please?
Jane’s post didn’t reinforce his Weltanschauung. He’ll get over it.
You bastards! Leave Obama alone! How dare you ever question him or his motives!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_PXzpKi3s
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We should just trust our President in every decision that he makes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPEV6twzxmE
/s
Read PadrePio @201 Obama is taking the Dems to the right. His campaign speeches seem like somebody else entirely.
It wasn’t a mistake. MYOB.
Yes, I think that would explain some of it.
I still don’t get how on one hand “Progressive bloggers don’t represent the base, they represent a particularly far-left, marginal, and increasingly self-marginalizing part of the Democratic coalition. Learn to play in the tent, or find yourselves (once again) looking in from the outside,” and at the same time worthy of such mockery and much attention.
It seems many of us have made the choice that we’re ok with being outside looking in, but then they’re pissed because we made that choice.
Sheesh.
Hey, it’s “Weltanschauung” with a capital “W”!
It may well be egocentric.
Unfortunately, it is also the sad truth. And if you don’t see a problem with a Democratic President spending more time attacking hippies than attacking Republicans, then you need to get a refresher course in politics 101.
No, I used to come here religiously. But now there’s this mob mentality and people used to be nice, but now they say ugly things to me because I don’t agree with them. I am well versed in blogging on right wing sites and this kind of treatment is the absolute same as “over there.” YUCK! It makes me sick. I want to throw up!
You mean “nor”.
This “so far left” charge is creepily robotic, isn’t it? Then again, I guess everything is relative to a political cyborg. Criticism of secret assassinations and advocacy of a “public option” — we’re the new Weathermen!
bellesouth thinks we bad.
About as bad as we can be without being “right”, she thinks.
Uh huh, we bad.
bellesouth be really angry with us if dim Dems lose.
bellesouth blame us, for sure.
We accept “responsibility”, we verra bad, indeed.
bellesouth confused, we verra, verra bad, give those not behaving responsibly verra hard time.
We bad, ratfood.
Well, anyway, I admit I try hard to be “bad” in words and deeds for political class and those they wish, really, to please.
Bad to the bone.
Oh yes.
That me.
DW
Whew, thanks! I managed to correct it before getting ticketed by the grammar police.
You imply that any concession to Republicans is always capitulation.
A democratic president who assumes the power to murder and spy on his citizens is just as bad as the right, as well as those who continue to rally for them reagrdless of the erosion of civil liberties. Your idea of “my party right or wrong” is sickening to me.
LOL.
one for you;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46SgIBpQ-Q
I’m standing by that one, I believe it is permissible to use “either” and “or” in the same sentence but something about “neither” and “nor” doesn’t sound right. I confess I am no grammarian.
Replied to the wrong post — sorry. It was for perris @159. And yes, I made my own grammatical error up there too, especially when I said they is for one or more persons. It is not. They is for more than one person – ALWAYS. And if you want to be smarter than the president of the United States you should know that.
Very true. But to use another analogy, it took 8 years for W to dig us into this whole, so it’ll take more than 2 to get out. Unfortunately, you’ve first got to stop digging. And THAT’s the problem with Obama AND the Democrats.
You want to minimize the decisions Obama’s made wrt his duties as Commander and Chief and suggest he’s not running anyway, Congress is?? Well, when Bush and Cheney broke several laws and their oath to defend the constitution, wasn’t it the Republican Congress who should’ve made him liable??? And if they CHOSE not to, then that choice is on them, right?
Same here. If Obama goes before Congress and declares he can assassinate American citizens with no due process, and the DEMOCRATIC Congress CHOOSES not to do anything about that, when they most certainly do have the constitutional authority to do something, then they OWN that decision as well. They’ve in effect endorsed assassination American citizens without due process. And oh yeah, anyone that votes for anyone that endorses or carries out assassinating American citizens ALSO endorses that act with their vote.
No matter how many and how loudly folks scream about other issues, there are some issues that are uncrossable. For example, if this admin were committing genocide against Muslims any vote in support of them endorses genocide. Likewise, any vote for Obama OR Democratis in Congress endorses assassinating American citizens. And believe me, you won’t be alone in endorsing that in November. Millions of American people will. That is probably the saddest part in all of this.
We don’t talk good.
I can live with that.
whatever. You’ve been asked (quite nicely) to answer a question about what YOU think is positive about Obama, yet persist in your, uh, whining about this site and members.
What. Ever.
Actually, I think neither is always supposed to be used with nor (that’s how my teachers presented it for the consistency)
Are you whining? Buck up!
LS
This is a false accusation. Because you’ve been around here for years you should be gently corrected, but still corrected.
No one’s telling anyone not to vote — what they’re doing is criticising the policies, and to a lesser degree, politics of the actual people in power, whose policies and politics have resulted in what will be political windfall for Republicans. The ones who aren’t going to vote probably don’t have the time or inclination to be farting around here on FDL comment threads. That’s what’s so pathetic about the administration’s whining about our “whining” — they can’t speak to the broadly disaffected public with real actions and real policies, so they try to cover up their failures with petulant press releases.
Sorry, “neither” goes with “nor” the same as “either” must go with “or”.
Be careful. You don’t want to let the insurance companies know this or they might jack your rates due to the “pre-existing condition”
What makes you think that? Old hat to old hippies. Just discover Chris Hedges, didja?
You appear obsessed with minutia. I missed the small print in the First Amendment which states that our grammar must be correct at all times if we wish to criticize elected officials.
Anyway, I do not question the president’s intelligence, I question his honesty, his intentions, and his morality. In my opinion he falls short in all three categories.
Like your post Z but have to disagree with the 3rd party gambit. Third parties are a dead end and we should beware of going their. The Greens have been laboring out here for yrs. and where has it gotten them? So ahve the Libertarians same result. Do we see any greens or libertarians in power anywhere yet? I think a better gambit is to take over the D party along the lines of how the tea party is taking over the Gopers. I realize though our problem is that the DLC Dems. are all Corporatist stooges and are funded by the Oligarchs to keep control of the party for them, so it would be quite a fight, but I still think we could win in the end.
Some think our old hats are disreputable, SD.
;~DW
I’ll accept your ruling. Please forgive me if I fail to retain the information. Y’know, when you try to pour a gallon of knowledge into my thimble of a brain something is likely to splash out. :)
The new weathermen indeed. I was SDS though and I’m still proud of that.
A lot of people complaining about criticism of the Obama administration seem to forget that FDR and the Democrats continued to win elections and hold majorities even though things were still shitty and we were still in a Depression. They won because they made things better. The Obama administration have not, and though Republicans will make things worse more rapidly than the Democrats ever could, that is a weak argument in an election.
Wow, grammar neither makes sense or sounds right. “g”
Right fuckin’ on.
No apologies to the grammar/morality police.
Shouldn’t that be, “The Obama administration HAS not?”
Carry on. :)
I did just discover Chris, and am glad, that was a great article.
Does this mean I’m a DFH yet?
Bull. No one here wants to know what good Obama has done with all the research going on here about what a horrible president he is. I’d do better going on a right wing site.
Still trying to think of an answer or simply don’t care?
Why don’t you write a diary about what good Obama has done?
My advice to Obama is to lawyer up dude cause the crazy Gopers are comin for your sorry ass. Your next two yrs. are going to be a legal circus presided over by FOX news and Reich wing radio. Hell, they might even bring Ken back for a second shot at Impeaching a sitting President. If I were u Barry I’d be thinking about where all your skeletons are dude, cause these guys are going to Impeach u for lying about littering if they can. Oh and you can blame us all you want for all the good it will do you.
Perhaps you would feel more at home. The right wingers also blindly support their presidents no matter what they do. They do wear a different color uniform though. Instead of your blue uniform, they wear a red one. Should be able to get used to that pretty easy though.
I already have a pre-existing condition but now I qualify for insurance that I could not get before thanks to Obama and it costs about the same as when I had it before through my ex-husband’s insurance. Because of my divorce, I couldn’t get it — I was told I am “uninsurable.” I had always had insurance until then, 6 years ago.
Sure, stick around, you might even be knighted Sir Loin of Beef.
Alright, 4pm, time for me to seize the day. Later gators.
If gold, as Greenspan stated, is the canary in the gold mine, – the bird is expiring before our eyes. http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
I’ll help her get started.
Increasing the CAFE standards, while not enough for my liking, was still VERY GOOD (it hadn’t been done in a LONG time) and I’m glad he did that.
Interesting post. I can’t come up with a better explanation for the White House’s behavior, so I’m inclined to agree with your take that it’s all to setup the Wednesday morning narrative on why Democrats fared so badly given the “unprecedented progressive legislation of this Congress.”
But what strikes me the most about all this DFH-bashing, now becoming bashing of anyone so petulant as to not vote for their corporatist DINO congressman, is it seems to literally beg for a progressive challenge to Obama in 2012. It’s like Obama is daring progressives to find a leader who can challenge him. And the WH would not be confident enough to engage in this strategy unless they were certain there simply is no chance of such a threat. Very disheartening.
Then I remind myself how many times they’ve been wrong thus far.
Would love to know what’s going through Howard Dean’s mind these days.
Obama must be primaried. Who will do it? What are they doing Nov 3rd? How can I help?
HAHA, that was so appropriate!!!!
Yep, DFH’s get “knighted” just like that. lol
OH PLEASE!!! You insult my intelligence. Y’all are all like a bunch of whiny babies that don’t get EVERYTHING THEY WANT! IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU! I ain’t coming back here. This place is obviously not helping in doing what it once wanted to do. Y’all are just stuck in the realm of BASHING! BASH YOURSELVES INTO OBLIVION! Good bye FDL. I miss Christy!!!
Well, I can agree with you that Jane is not a PUMA. And the loyalist will use that to discredit her, although not true. And from reading FD during the primary she did not support Hillary.
Yeah, prolly. Hangin’ out here and givin’ shit to trolls, reichwingers, and bots is only part of the fun. Takln’ shit from the likes of the Dem Party is just payin’ one’s dues.
There’s a big chasm between reading, and getting it, SD.
I’ll give you the Lily Ledbetter as a head start but what else has he done?
What Bush policies on War, State Secrets, Renditions, and Constitutional Rights has he rolled back and what policies has he continued or made worse?
How many campaign promises has he broken? How many groups considered the Democratic Party Base have been told how hard he’ll fight for them then watched as he threw them under the bus?
Women – He signed the Stupak Presidential Directive on Choice issues, disallowing abortion under the health insurance “reform”
President “Fierce Advocate” on LGBT issues, who continues to fight FOR DADT, discharging people with skills who WANT to serve; refuses to fight to repeal DOMA, refuses to fight for passage of ENDA, Fights againts Marriage Equality
Unions – Refuses to fight for EFCA, buys into the right wing framing then he and his VP go and fund raise for “Democrats” who worked against unions and EFCA. Works directly against Teachers Unions at all levels
Do I really need to continue this list?
Chill
LS
I’ll call whine one one for ya.
Brilliant.
Right. Sit home. Don’t vote. You punish that mean Obama for not doing all YOU think he should have…oh, that’s right ..you are ok with that. Jane, if the GOP takes the congress….and you are doing your part to see that that happens…it will NOT assure you of more TeeVee time dear. At least you have your little cadre of “activist” who will still listen to you but you guys will be mighty lonely in the wilderness once again just like those long lonely years after Carter-Mondale. Keep it up. blah blah blah
Okay–So Obama is already writing off the dems for 2010. Well, if he wants the Dems to show up for 2012 he BETTER give the Progs a seat at the table, whether its high level strategy or negotiations. Giving the Progs a seat at the table is the only way he’s gonna get anything substantial accomplished AND have his base turn out for the elections.
I will say that doing anything to depress the turnout of Democratic voters is a dangerous and morally questionable methodology in light of, say, climate warming. Or eventually overturning DADT, or fighting corporate power in the light of the Citizens United SCOTUS ruling.
If I was in charge if an influential blog site, it would be somewhat similar to FDL, ethos- and interest-wise, but I’d put a lot more energy into building up and not tearing down.
My focus here, the fear and anger I feel about the potential of Democratic voter discouragement is mainly about the danger of climate warming and what kind of a world my grandchildren may not survive. I have been reading Natural History magazine for many years – I should not have to explain that magazine, content-wise – and more recently the National Parks Conservation Association’s magazine, and things are getting very grim if you can actually face up to the projection models and studies. If Republicans win back the legislature and then the Presidency you can essentially plan on massive population dioslocation and the chaos that will result.
Is that what we want? Can people find the maturity to deal with President Obama’s flaws without this attempted wholesale rejection of all things smacking of moderate Democrat, which is what Obama is?
How would you like to be President in the current political climate: 45% of the voters went against you, the Senate is paralyzed, the two Bush wars are killing our military personnel and the one in Afghanistan could result in the resurgence of a friendly climate for al-Qaeda if abandoned, and, for Heaven’s sake, we’re two steps from oligarchy.
???
Fact.
The only thing I can’t figure out is who, besides the “base,” the Obama Administration fears is suffering buyer’s remorse? Who does this administration need protection from, such that the blame needs to be deflected somewhere else?
That nay be their strategy, based on what happened to Clinton in the 90s. Obama’s Admin has far too many Clintonites reliving past glories, so they want to try to duplicate the accidental success of Clinton and risk turning things over to the Rs. The trouble is, this is a very high risk strategy, since Darrell Issa may decide to try to impeach Obama. If he does, I’ll cheer him on.
I understand your point of view, but these aren’t normal times, these are desperate times and there are many desperate people that are thoroughly disgusted with both parries, so the past doesn’t necessarily provide insight to the future in regards to this endeavor. The key is to bring in people that were formerly from different sides of the aisle and keep things simple at first and try to regain control of our government by running on a single issue: purely publicly financed elections. We can sort the other stuff out later on.
And yes, it would be most efficient to take over the democratic party by electing progressives and using the existing democratic party infrastructure … instead of doing the humongous amount of work required to build a party up of our own … but there are very powerful and well-financed forces within the party that are actively fighting that from all angles. At this point, I think it is almost impossible to primary this corrupt party … with its corrupt leadership and corrupt infrastructure … clean. IMO, it’s time to start the hard work of building up one our own … at least it’s a Plan B instead of putting all our effort and resources into the democratic party that is designed to marginalize us.
Z
The Democrats had a 59/60 seat Senate majority and a likewise huge House majority and the Presidency for the last two years.
If climate warming were so important, and so important to the Democratic Party, please point me to the climate bill(s) they passed in those two years.
Thanks.
How the elites keep the USA moving Right
Promote and Market a Trojan Horse candidate name Obama to democrats
Once your Trojan Horse candidate name Obama is elected, program him to continue destroying the USA for few very, very, rich people.
Obama is not a moron, 90% of the people on this Blog could have kept the GOP out of power in 2010! Obama intentionally wreck the democratic party. Look and reveiw Obama actions the last 20 months, they screamed out the words TROJAN HORSE!
What has happen, that is pissing the White House Off, is the fact Obama is not popular, but Progressive ideas are very POPULAR and GROWING. (Polls cleary say the Bob Dole Health Care Bill Obama pass is not popular, People wanted the Ted Kennedy Health Care Bill)
Obama was suppose to kill the popularity of Progressive Ideas, the only thing Obama killed was his legacy.
In 2012, the elites figured Obama would lose, to a GOP candidate, they do not want Obama losing to a democrat in a primary.
The Big threat to the Elites is always the idea of real Progressives getting into Congress or the White House.
Obama’s poor ability to be a above average Trojan Horse is hurting the Neo-Liberal agenda big time!!!
The Tea Party is an experiment gone wrong, the Elites fear the Tea Party, some of them actually hate Wall Street.
Well don’t leave on my account. And I didn’t even mention “me” in that post your responded to. WTF are you talking about? Maybe it was out of line and if so sorry, but I don’t get the it’s about me me me whiny baby bullshit.
Because expecting a Democratic president to deliver on his promises to his base is as bad as the right.
Because expecting a Democratic president not to continue torture, indefinite detention, the killing of civilians is as bad as the right.
Because expecting a Democratic president to ensure that members of our armed services have equal rights and protections under the law is as bad as the right.
Because expecting a Democratic president to defend equality of all citizens including gays is as bad as the right.
Because expecting a Democratic president to resolve the real root cause of illegal immigration (i.e. farm subsidies) and fight racial and ethnic discrimination is as bad as the right.
Because expecting a Democratic president to have learned the lessons of the last Great Depression and resist pressure from the banks is as bad as the right.
I could go on, but it’s patently clear your logic is challenged.
Well, I know we will never call Phoenix Woman a PUMA. And I agree with one thing she said, Jane thought there was no difference between the two. It’s getting crowded under the bus. Look out! Ugly Ahead!
Once the Republicans are within two seats of the majority, the Democrats will rule to dispense with the filibuster, – all in the name of bipartisanship.
Anyone wishing to bet against that?
Few folks here are going to sit at home and not vote. Most will vote. Some will vote only for a 3rd party or a write in to send a message. Others will support a primary challenge against Obama from the left in 2012. Others still will (reluctantly) hold their noses and pull the lever for Obama in the general election in ’12 but will raise no money for him or the Democratic party and they will not do any type of campaigning or GOTV activities in support.
Fund raising and GOTV are the type of activities that an enthusiastic party base are counted on for during the election cycle. So people aren’t willing to be told to sit down and shut up and clap louder because “Hey, we’re not as bad as the other guys.”
Marketing and Messaging Epic Fail (to go with the substantive fail of the past couple of years)
Been getting ever more so since the Big (Blue) Dog took over.
Obama is such an egotist that he cannot ever take personal blame or see how shifty he is. Obama is not an effective political leader and is a rank amateur who has been bought and paid for by the Banking Industry which he represents.
Are the Democrats better than the GOP? Yes, in degrees of scale they are. But, that is not saying too much.
These days comparing the Dems and the GOP is like comparing murderers to bank robbers. The Democrats do not believe or stand up for social or economic justice and Obama is one of the worst in this regard. Obama hates the public school system.
The Pentagon and the Banks now run the United States of America.
I am so freakin tired of the Rabbitt Ears in the White House falsely blaming liberals for their own hypocrisy and lies.
Biden, Obama and Emanuel want the liberal base to shut up and vote, ha, is that right?
So, they can stick it up the liberals ass over and over again and laugh all the way back to Goldman Sachs?
Screw em. I’ll vote but I don’t need Biden and Obama to tell me to do so.
WTF is up with all this badgering?? Dammit, you folks doing the badgering insist we’re left of the left and don’t represent the base and don’t mean much to the Democratic Party.
OKAY!!! THen our little, puny votes don’t matter. So there’s no need to keep belaboring the point. A lot of us lefties aren’t supporting a party that assassinates American citizens and breaks all of its campaign promises and therefor represents positions that we can’t support. So what?? We’re just lefties, our votes don’t MATTER!!!! Remember???
Maybe you should look it up. They is often used as a third person singular antecedent.
It’s all about who frames the dominant Progressive narrative at this point. If Obama continues on his current course, we’ll see him blame the Left for midterm losses and then deal with the Right he helped to empower during his first two years.
If that happens, the rest of Obama’s first term (and possible his second) will look a lot like Clinton’s. My hope is that Progressives are watching much more closely this time, as a community, and can successfully expose the corporate maneuvering of the major parties. What new version of the Clinton-Gingrich agenda will unfold — MFN Trade Status with China, WTO, welfare reform?
Ummmmm, I smell mendacity! Everybody is looking for the scapegoat. Clingy people, Bitter people, Stupid people lets just add Trailer trash because everyone loves kicking down. As a member of the “Big Tent” for 40 years, I just “love” how we now discredit our own. To bad that Obama is not a Democrat.
If Progressives support and vote for politicians that don’t deliver progressive policies, then progressives DESERVE politicians that don’t deliver progressive policies.
Pretty simple, actually.
I agree with the President. Many on the left are complaining and yet this many has gotten through a tremendous amount of progressive legislation. So what if it wasn’t perfect. It can be improved upon. Yet, the progressive left is ready to toss everything aside because they didn’t get their way. As most of my liberal friends say (and I agree), there is a group of liberals who are as bad as the extreme right. If they don’t get everything they want, then they are willing to throw it all away. Buck up. If you want to get a more progressive government, you will have to work to get progressives elected. What you are doing now is turning peopl eoff. YOu are the reason I no longer watch Rachael Maddow. I got tired of your whining.
It may be used often but it is still incorrect.
while i agree that obama hectoring the base is both maddening and confusing, i do think it would be interesting and possibly productive to list positive things obama/democrats have accomplished.
here’s my list:
1) student loan reform (for me the was this was the shining example of replacing bad policy with good)
2) stimulus. we can argue about the size and whatnot, but it was much more than a tax cut
3) raised the bar for torture. not high enough, but he established a new and better direction.
4) financial reform. again not what i was hoping for but there’s some good stuff in there (btw, i believe that most of the good stuff in there is the result of vigilant critique coming from the professional and amateur left)
5) iraq reduction. set draw down in motion upon assuming office.
6) sotomoyor. i think she’s gonna do good for many years
7) pushed isreal. not hard enough, but some.
8) moved SALT forward
9) engaged more with UN instead of trying to burn the place down
10) i like the dog too
anything i forgot?
I’m glad for you. I can get insurance with my pre-existing condition at the same rate as before the ACA was passed (so much for cost containment). Furthermore I am now MANDATED to purchase insurance (which I cannot afford, and hence cannot afford to use) or pay a penalty that will be transferred to the health insurance companies to compensate them for my failure to purchase said unaffordable insurance! WOW! What a fantastic deal! /s
Leave Obama aloooooooooone!
If it is incorrect, then perhaps you should have the dictionary corrected.
Not good enough, we need to be supportive. Obama might be a war mongering corporatist but he’s OUR war mongering corporatist.
Better than 13 trillion in cash and guarantees as stimulus to take care of savvy businessmen occupying a couple of blocks of lower Manhattan, and 700 billion for the rest of the country.
A burdizzo for Obama!
Name one bill out of the “tremendous amount of progressive legislation” passed since Obama took office.
Pick one, any one.
Remember a number of months ago when we had quite a number of people telling us to stay home to basically teach the Dems a lesson? We don’t get that many now but there are still a few, plus those who tell us to vote for a local 3rd party, etc. It’s like they think we all live in the same place. There are some progressive candidates running for Congress. Not many but they’re out there. There are a lot of governors races this November. Same thing. Yes, most of us are stuck with the evil of 2 lessers but does sitting at home in a snit make anything better for the citizens of a city, county or state? Not in my book. Not having a neoliberal on a ballot is a blessing today. A lot of folks want things to change overnight but if it’s going to take years to get that change they’re not interested in putting forth the effort.
I looked it up for you —
I think it will be the other way around.
When the Republicans have a slight 2-4 seat majority, they’ll propose ending the filibuster, and the Democrats will go along in a spirit of bipartisanship.
This country doesn’t have years any longer.
I prefer the Merriam-Webster definition:
I’ve never heard of YourDictionary.com before, and am somewhat of a traditionalist.
That’s your take and I reject it out of hand.
In my scenario the Reps will fail to gain majority status in the Senate.
The outcome, regarding the filibuster will be the same either way.
Ah, thanks SD.
Point taken.
The [Edited by Moderator. Disagree without insulting], uh, I mean the “Kool” Aid is strong with you isn’t it?
Those of you who blindly follow instead of thinking and your resentment at those who aren’t dumb enough to fall in line behind bad plans and betrayal are really something. I’m sure Dear Leader will be pleased at your display of blind loyalty and unquestioning acceptance of his every excuse.
The lame duck session will be about SS, austerity, ‘killing’ the internet and curtailing our civil rights big time.
The Case of the Pre-existing Grammar-hoarding Incident(s)
Shhhhh…”ain’t” ain’t in the dictionary, as in I ain’t coming here no more..
LS
Al Qaeda does not exist. “Al Qaeda” is a complete and total fabrication created by the US to describe the Jihadists recruited to fight the Soviets. Pakistan controls many of these terrorists and Obama is paying Pakistan billions of US tax dollars to maintain the endless wars.
We are beyond oligarchy. This is a military dictatorship and the neo-con generals promise more of the same as they tell their puppet Obama what to do.
There are always Dems willing to vote for Republican legislation, not in the spirit of bipartisanship but because they share the same basic ideology. Being Whip for a Republican majority is just an honorary title, they never have to worry about finding the necessary votes.
That’s part of the reason Republicans always govern as if they have a mandate. It doesn’t matter if they won the election by one vote (or less, see Gore v Bush), they have the votes on the Hill.
How is it Jane’s fault when Obama is President and he’s the one who has repeatedly sold out to the Republicans, to Wall Street, to the corporate interests, protected the status quo, protected war criminals, and generally squandered a massive, overwhelming majority in Congress? Seems to me it isn’t Jane who needs to answer for screwing things up. Do you really think that nobody would have noticed what a sell out Obama has been if Jane had just kept quiet and not said anything? Give me a break!
Yourdictionary dot com uses Websters and American Heritage which is the source of the usage of “they” that I cited above. Traditionalist also say that the number 1 use of the word is the more appropriate one.
Webster’s New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
they (t̸hā)
pronoun sing. he, she, it
1.the persons, animals, or things previously mentioned: personal pronoun in the third person plural: they is the nominative form, them the objective, theirs the possessive, and themselves the reflexive and intensive; their is the possessive pronominal adjective
Regarding your last sentence:
That’s only because those of us who have been in this … um … “educational effort” for decades, SD are used to the long-haul scenario.
But others are learning. It just takes time.
How long have you been preparing for the national conversation that has, finally, tentatively, begun? Many, many moons, I’d wager.
How long is “it” gonna take?
The rest of our lives.
However, in this case, there really is no viable alternative.
Never give up! is NOT a slogan. It is a philosophy. After all, “WE” is what we’ve got to work with. And a healthy future for all living things, including the planet, is what such “work” is properly all about, as your words remind daily.
DW
Now, now… Obama might be a failure as president but his grammar is impeccable.
You should get your priorities straight. :)
Kudos to you for answering the question, which I repeatedly asked another blogger who kept bashing others for not speaking about the “positive things” that Obama has done. If you’re going to bash someone for not having “positive things” to say about Obama, then you ought to have a list of what you think is “positive.”
On your list I can agree with 1, 9 and 10. I don’t agree with any of the other things, but that’s just me. I stated waaaaay a long time ago that I don’t consider myself as part of the Democratic “base,” but I do feel I’m part of the crowd of bloggers that Obamaco has been bashing daily for the past few weeks.
Best to you & thanks for your commentary.
Those are the biggies, with respect to O’s failures and betrayals, but a little lagniappe, as it were, was his gratuitous attaching of the Stupak Amendment to the high risk insurance pool legislation, so that women with serious medical conditions will be unable to buy insurance that covers abortions. I have some experience of this in my family, and believe me, the consequences of pregnancy for seriously ill people, can be catastrophic.
Stuff like this just makes me love the guy.
Obama always says “a opportunity”….”a education”. Drives me nuts.
LS
Oh my, make that total failure. Turn ‘im over, he’s done. :)
Ever since I got back from Nam, 40 years ago this month. Started out by attending seminars on Marxism led by Tom Hayden at UCSD. Been at it ever since. CA, OR, CO and now FL.
Been a while since I’ve felt the need to use
Never. Give. Up.
but I guess with all the soothsayers, naysayers and doomsayers I’ll have to use it more often. And, no, it’s not a slogan. It’s a way of life.
It ain’t ever gonna be any other way, bro.
I agree partially with Jane’s analysis. However, I feel the real reason for this anti-PR offensive is to warn “the Left” that this is as good as its going to get for the peasants FOREVER…and remember to Vote Obama in 2012 or else its going to get worse.
Because from here on out, ZerObama and his crew are literally going to be in cohoots with the American Pinochets in overtly robbing the public blind to aid their “real” constituents – the Banks, Hedge Fundies, Health Insurance cronies and the entire Military Industrial Complex.
Total. Hahahaha
Chris Matthews says Obama is a “progressive” on his awful show tonight. And that what these “progressives” are upset about is they don’t get their way with Obama. Matthews like most in the MSM says progressives need to get over themselves and shut up and follow orders.
These pundits also hate Social Security.
OT:
“The place where the global crisis, culminating as a result of 30 years of cheap money, began, Iceland, may well be the place which sees the first ever criminal conviction stemming from the Depression v2. Globe and Mail reports that Iceland’s former prime minister has been referred to a special court, which could make him the first world leader to be charged in connection with the global financial crisis.“
Traditionalists also say that the alternate definitions are acceptable usage. Since English doesn’t have a non-gender specific third person singular pronoun, they is often used in substitution, and has been for many generations (see the citations referring to works by Shakespeare and others in my link).
At any rate, you were picking grammatical nits and not addressing the political arguments (and still aren’t). You have been asked for a list of some of Obama’s accomplishments which we should support, and your only citation has been that you personally benefited by the passage of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). As I noted above in a different post, that’s great for you, but the ACA isn’t all wine & roses, as many of us are quite negatively impacted by its requirements with no noticeable benefit from the same. Even so, I’ll grant that it does help SOME folks, so I suppose that’s (a weak) one.
What else do you have?
Accentuate the Positive
Gather ’round me, everybody
Gather ’round me while I’m preachin’
Feel a sermon comin’ on me
The topic will be sin and that’s what I’m ag’in’
If you wanna hear my story
The settle back and just sit tight
While I start reviewin’
The attitude of doin’ right
You’ve got to accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
And latch on to the affirmative
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
You’ve got to spread joy up to the maximum
Bring gloom down to the minimum
Have faith or pandemonium’s
Liable to walk upon the scene
To illustrate my last remark
Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
What did they do just when everything looked so dark?
(Man, they said “We’d better accentuate the positive”)
(“Eliminate the negative”)
(“And latch on to the affirmative”)
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between (No!)
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
(Ya got to spread joy up to the maximum)
(Bring gloom down to the minimum)
(Have faith or pandemonium’s)
(Liable to walk upon the scene)
You got to ac (yes, yes) -cent-tchu-ate the positive
Eliminate (yes, yes) the negative
And latch (yes, yes) on to the affirmative
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
No, don’t mess with Mister In-Between
Oleeb, I agree with your post-100%…Americans are dumb when it comes to politics anyhow.
Paul Street’s latest book on Obama is a gem, and worth reading.
agree with you, as well as the post you were responding too.
I am lucky not to need hardly any prescriptions, but mine have gone up, not down. That was completely avoidable, but Obama cut back-room deals with BigPharma, and now US citizens have to pay more than anywhere or almost anywhere else. It’s bogus.
Don’t get me started on the Stupack Amend, which Obama clapped and cheered for. It took Democrats to make very serious inroads on a woman’s right to choose. Obamabots must have short memories. ReThugs promise their base that they’ll outlaw abortion, but usually nothing happens. Then we get this ersatz “liberal Democratic” POTUS with Dem majorities in the House & Senate, and what happens? The most serious incursion in a woman’s right to choose in over a decade. Breathtaking!! And I’m not supposed to “complain”??? Bull hockey! That’s what a so-called Democracy is all about.
Wake. Up.
I hear you about the catastrophic consequences of forcing pregnancies to full-term for the seriously ill; it’s horrid and constitutes cruel & unusual punishment (which Rethugs do like). Plus it’s just thrown the door wide open for the screaming nutcases like Sharron Angle, O’Donnell & that lot who say: no abortion ever under any circumstances.
People want to whine at us DFH’s for not “supporting” Obama bc the allegedly the consequences of having ReThugs & T-baggers in powers is “so much worse.” HOW exactly? We had 8 long horrible years of GWBush with FAR less incursion on a woman’s right to choose. How long did it take Obamaco? 15 months???
WAKE. UP. You snooze, you loose.
He just got a new corporate boss. I’m sure they are all worrying about keeping their jobs and veering right.
LS
Sotomayor remains an undefined commodity. She doesn’t fill me with confidence but I’m willing to suspend judgement until we know more. I think listing her appointment to the court as a positive might be a tad premature.
My fear is that as liberal justices retire and are replaced by centrists the result will be that the court will shift even farther to the right. We need some bonafide lefties on the bench to counter the Scalia bloc.
Keep deflecting blame and ignoring plummeting poll numbers Obama, it worked so well for Adrian Fenty.
Oh yeah, that works. As unemployment hovers at 9.5% or higher, un/underemployment and those giving up looking sit around 20%, singing a f*cking Bing Crosby song is R-E-A-L-L-Y the way to get people to believe and hope.
Yes Sir, that’s surely the way to get people to go along with you.
Do I really need to show the snark tag here?
I have responded. I don’t really need to come one here and attest to the good things Obama has done because that is not what one really wants to hear, here, obviously. If people can’t get their heads out of the sand and see for themselves, I am not going to be the one that changes their minds.
Republicans could not “lock-in” right wing government policies.
Only traitors from the Democratic Party can lock in a right wing agenda.
Obama and his traitorous cronies are the reason war crimes and refusing to prosecute war criminals became permanent US government policy.
Brother Can You Spare A Dime would be more apropos.
Come on! Did you really think Obama was the Messiah?
It shouldn’t, ever, be any other way, SD.
All sentient, responsible beings intuitively understand this.
Namaste
No self-respecting Democrat would approve of torture, rendition, secret prisons, secret trials, assassination, and the use of the FBI to harass and intimidate peace activists. That’s what Obama is doing.
No, but didn’t vote for Judas, either.
Better yet! Have Dennis challenge Obama in the primaries.
No. It’s actually quite simple. We thought he would do what he said he would do. He hasn’t and shows no inclination of doing so.
I didn’t even expect him to keep his promises, campaigns always being comprised of bullshit. I just wanted him to be better than his predecessor. Alas, twas not to be.
I had no anticipations of Obama being a “messiah” – I looked at his record and the National Journal notwithstanding, it was obvious that he wasn’t even remotely a liberal in any way shape or form.
I did however expect someone who, supposedly having taught Constitutional Law, had actually read and understood the Constitution and areas that needed to be fixed after the previous administration. I expected someone who would at least fight for the things he said he would fight for during the campaign, not run away from them as soon as he could.
I expected a man of his word.
Jane, I think you are right about this.
In my opinion they (the President, Vice-Pres, Gibbs, etc) are conflating those who are “whining” with those who will not vote. I am a whiner, but I am still going to vote for the Democrats because in this election there is no realistic alternative to the two parties. The people who are not going to vote (in my lay person’s opinion) are the same ones who didn’t vote for Kerry, or Gore, or in other midterms but who President Obama managed to reach during his campaign. Won’t there be polls of people who stayed home so we can know why they did so? It would be interesting to see.
No matter what the polls say, I imagine no blame will be cast on the imbeciles who don’t want to raise taxes on millionaires, but all blame will be placed on the progressives who as yet have no power.
I’d give him credit if he only made a good faith effort to do what he said he would.
As long as you’re dreaming, might as well make it Russ Feingold, who looks more presidential and doesn’t profess to have shared a Mr. Pibb with ET.
I agree about Sotomayor. Until we have a body of decisions, we won’t be able to judge how positive her appointment has been. The same can be applied to Kagan.
Just so we don’t have to scroll back, here’s the list Propensity suggested:
I’ll give you 1, although I suspect more could/should be done there. Graduating from college with a $50K debt is no way to start a life.
In regards to the stimulus, it was neither large enough nor as effective as it should have been for the money spent. The limitations on how the funds could be used (such as “shovel ready” projects only) created a huge problem (for example, here in TX we don’t have enough bridge inspectors and civil engineers available to define what needs to be done to the state’s backlog of bridge repairs, so we don’t get much help for those projects) in actually MAKING the necessary repairs. It isn’t that no money was available, it was that we didn’t know what needed to be done because we don’t have the personnel up front to define the project, so no dough. I’ll agree that it was better than the Republican solution (cut taxes), but not by a whole lot (it was barely enough to stop the rising unemployment rate).
“Raised the bar for torture” is a weak way to say “we still torture”. He wouldn’t come out and ban the methods of “enhanced interrogation” outright, and he didn’t pursue those who authorized and performed the torture. I suppose raising the bar is better than lowering it, in the same sense that a poke in the gut with a 1×2 is better than a poke in the gut with a 4×4.
“Iraq reduction” was negotiated under Bush. Obama doesn’t get credit for that as far as I’m concerned. When he pulls out ALL of our troops (whether they are “combatants” or not) is when he’ll get the marker on this one.
I could go on, but suffice it to say that like onitgoes, 1, 9 and 10 are about all I can really give much credit for. Considering bama’s campaign promises, that’s some pretty weak tea.
And in some cases, actively did the OPPOSITE of what he said he would do.
He campaigned against the mandate. Actively supported it.
He campaigned for the public option. Actively shelved it in a deal with the industry.
He campaigned on a “return to the rule of law” and the Consitution. BOY OH BOY did he lie his ass off with THAT one. LOL.
I could go on. Not doing what he said was going to do AND in some cases even doing opposite of what he said he was going to do.
But that’s ok, he’s allowed. He’s got a big blue D after his name.
What’s so bad about having a Mr Pibb with Edward Teller? :)
Saying we should say good things about him, but refusing to give any examples of his successes won’t get you far either.
Many here actually LIKE engaging in a debate of policy and acts, so if you have any favorites, please do bring them up. Propensity brought up a list at 284 that looks like it may be a fair place to start. Several of us disagree and are willing to say why, and supply our viewpoint.
Perhaps you would care to defend any of those points or add some of your own?
lol No, ET from The Extra Terrestrial
Sorry, the response and list are Propensity’s at 284.
lol!
Yeah, me too. If he had fought for the best health care plan we could get and we ended up with this….well I’d still hate it but then I wouldn’t be so angry at him. Plus, I firmly believe, if he HAD fought for the best health care plan we could get, we would’ve ended up with a plan that looks a LOT different than the one we got.
That’s the point folks are missing. They think we’re pissed because of the results. We’re pissed because of the effort (or lack thereof). Big difference.
In any event, Elizabeth Kucinich would still get my vote for First Spouse. :)
And pissed at the results. It’s a piece of shit. Local community radio has already done a show since the first provisions went into effect a day or 2 ago. People are not happy. Many have already discovered they can’t afford the policies mandated for those with pre-existing conditions.
ET’s latest post was about ET. :)
Lot better lookin’ than Mamie Eisenhower or Nancy RayGuns.
Nah, the secret to success at poker is to keep your bids low and always play with your hand showing.
That’s too funny.
Hadn’t seen that, I’ll be serendipitied! :)
Or first something. I keep wondering how some guys….. never mind.
Who’s Whining Now
It’s been a mystery but you still can’t see
How somethin’ good could turn so bad
Caught on corruption street, the taste of bittersweet
Will hope survive somehow, some way?
Our work feeds the fire
Our sweat burns desire
I wonder, who’s whinin’ now?
Our hearts born to run
Who’ll be the lonely one?
I wonder, who’s whinin’ now?
So many lying nights, so many wrongs not rights
Nothing could change your tepid ways
And in a lover’s rage, we tore another page
Obama ain’t worth the hope we’ve saved
Our work feeds the fire
Our sweat burns desire
I wonder, who’s whinin’ now?
Two hearts born to run
Who’ll be the lonely one
I wonder, who’s whinin’ now?
Only so many tears we can cry
Till the heartache is over
And now we can say our love
Has gone and died
Our work feeds the fire
Our sweat burns desire
I wonder, who’s whinin’ now?
Two hearts born to run
Who’ll be the lonely one
I wonder, who’s whinin’ now?
KING: How do you feel, personally, after all you’ve seen and opposed and supported about seeing a black president?
HEFNER: Well, I’m glad I lived long enough to see it. You know, I wish — I was a Obama supporter. I voted for him. I do wish he’d get on with it a little bit. I think we got a lot of things to do.
KING: But you still support him?
HEFNER: Absolutely.
KING: Has he disappointed you in some regards?
HEFNER: Just in the sense that, you know, we have — the Democrats are in control of both houses. We have a black president. And things are going very slowly. That’s all.
—–Hugh Hefner Interview on CNN’s ‘Larry King Live’ from July 22, 2010
Liz was born in the UK, they’re big garden gnome fans over there. :)
Ratfood, you’re on a roll.
They’re gonna have to put a “warning: serious laughter ahead!!!” sign on ya.
;~DW
Seems like he’s more like the garden gnomes in the Harry Potter books.
When Bush was president and the GOP controlled both houses, they DID NOT MOVE things slowly but RAPIDLY.
I never heard Bush or Cheney chastise their CONSERVATIVE BASE IN PUBLIC Either.
Biden and Obama are on the other hand QUITE HOSTILE towards the Liberal Base and they forget who VOTED FOR THEM!!!!
SCREW EM!
Dude does have a streak in ‘im.
Pretty consistently, I’d say …
Not familiar with those. I know my niece won’t let my great-nephews see anything related to Potter ’cause you know, the supposed Satanism and witchcraft thing. She was a super bright kid before Oklahoma and religion messed her mind up.
Oh I learned early on in my visits here. I must’ve cleaned up at least 5 spews from my monitor. After one such spew, and informing him of said spew, he retorted; “Well, my work here is done.” LOL
I am ALWAYS careful now.
But…but..thee hazth thas thingy in her thung…thath thung ringy thingy.
LS
Not me, not likely to run nekkid unless there’s a grizzly chasin’ me. If that happens all bets are off. :)
Whatever the hell it is I could live with it. :)
Really fun reads. Check the 1st one, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone, out from the library and see what ya think.
Aside from being in the hospital, I have always voted in elections from the local to state to national levels.
I do not need the likes of the Washington political class, Obama or Biden to tell me to go and vote. I will vote.
Perhaps, I will even leave some choices totally blank and maybe not. I will do what I think is best when filling out those bubble forms with that big ink marker.
The election system these days is a joke anyhow from the voting machines to the candidates put up by the two ruling class political party’s which represent the Pentagon and the Bankers and not the rabble out here.
The political elites views the masses of people as “peasants” anyhow and they cannot wait to END Social Security and Medicare.
After all MSNBC and NBC LOVED Reagan.
Tell asshat Chris Matthews that Obama is not a “progressive” but governs from the center-right.
You say ya got nekkid bears chasing ya? And yer takin’ bets?
And you call yerself “ratfood”?
Geez …
;~DW
Keep hoping my niece will outgrow the Christian conservative thing but she’s nearly 41 and I think all her and hubby’s friends go to the same church, so constant reinforcement. Kids attend religious school. It’s a no free thinking zone.
Oh well, time to haul my carcass out of this chair while I’m still able.
Namaste
I’m sure Bob would sacrifice himself to save ya.
Describing Obama as progressive and labelling the health care bill passed as liberal are all intentional by the media.
Yeah, me too. The tigers are sharking (h/t yellowsnapdragon).
Namaste
NOW we know why Obama never held a real job!
I’ve heard the slowest bear is faster than the fastest man and nobody ever accused me of being the fastest anything. Also, it’s hard to run in my giant rib-eye costume.
My advice is to bet on the bear.
O & Co. know the difference, I think they’re just trying to get out in front with their messaging. Hopefully, the more they keep repeating it the less people will buy it.
Never one to leave an obstinate ‘heels-dug-in’ true believer feeling smug, nor, for that matter a festering boil untended, I tend to want to pile on. So here goes. You said this on May 22, 2009: ” I trust President Obama to do the right thing. Trust but verify, I am all for that…”
Can you verify that Obama is doing the right thing by ordering extra-judicial killings of American Citizens? The constitution is straight forward about that kind of thing – it is not allowed. Here is a guy that is a constitutional lawyer, and president to boot, charged with upholding the constitution, not subverting it. Is it the right thing to disregard our constitutional rights and rule by fiat?
The Washington elite don’t get it or perhaps they do get it and want the masses to be living on the streets and losing their homes as no jobs comes back to the USA.
These elites are still angry at the protests from the 1960s due to the hypocrisy of it all from the 1950s.
Check this story out folks:
Long-term increase in US unemployment ‘possible’, warns OECD
Millions of Americans risk falling out of the job market forever, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) has warned, as it cautioned a full recovery from recession will take years.
By Richard Blackden, US Business Editor
Published: 5:43PM BST 20 Sep 2010
“…The recession has left the US with a long-term unemployment rate – a measure of those without work for more than six months – of 4.5pc, almost double that of the 1980s and 1990s downturns….”Previous US recessions have exhibited no long-term damage to the economy or long-term increase in unemployment, but it is possible this recession will trigger these effects,” the OECD said in its first survey of the world’s biggest economy since late 2008….The wide-ranging analysis urged the US to consider a Value Added Tax to help narrow its deficit, to radically reshape its housing policy and for the Federal Reserve to begin phasing out the stimulus measures that have cushioned the economy….”
Read the rest at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8014124/Long-term-increase-in-US-unemployment-possible-warns-OECD.html
Come on people, stop responding to the attacks & take the attack. WHAT has Obama done, anything the Dem base should be proud of? ANYTHING? What game, other then BLAME does “Clarence Thomas” Obama have left? It’s not a positive sign that posters to this Blog should be so easily drawn off point.
The single question before us is, WHY should we vote this Nov. to reelect Dem. Incumbents who chose to represent the interest of PHARMA, Wall St., numerous industry special interests BUT REFUSED to represent us?
Obama says we should be pleased with what he’s accomplished & be afraid of what the BAD Republicans will do, even though as Jane reminds us they can’t do anything without Obama’s signature).
I believe Jane should address this question, take a poll, Do Democratic Incumbents deserve our vote this Nov.? I say NO.
What about his claims about unprecedented transparency in government and taking on the special interests which he said were controlling our public policy. And then there was the public debate on HCR that was going to be televised on C-Span where all viewpoints and ideas were to be included and discussed.
David Dayen is upstairs!
Pelosi Gets Additional Intelligence Oversight for Congress
Thank you, Jane. Great post. Sorry so many trolls get their jollies abusing you and the Firepups. It really is remarkable that, as you emphasized, Obama is NOT blaming the “professional Left” or the “progressives” or “whiny bloggers” or “Dirty Effing Hippies,” he is explicitly attacking the “Democratic base.” Just like he attacked “Democrats” in those fancy fundraisers last week. Amazing.
Does he think we’re in his army, that WE work for HIM, that we have to just snap to & salute & do as he says? WTF?
Ohhhh, Gawd. Thank you.
“Threat and coersion.” Indeed.
A commenter on another post said that they were tired of Obama’s “Let me be clear” phrase. It is very difficult to lie consistently in public because a large audience has ample opportunity to detect tells and inconsistencies. Listen to the words, phrases, assumptions, framing and constructions. “Let me be clear” is an authoritarian, condescending way to dominate a dialogue—in fact, to turn a dialogue into a sermon.
To paraphrase Vonnegut, the Dems and the Reps are imaginary parties. There are two real parties in the United States: the Winners and the Losers. This, and the examples posted by Hamscher about past blame-game tactics, is Obama letting everyone know what the score is and who is on what team.
Vote a straight Whig ticket in November. ☺
When I saw these quotey quotes from Rolling Stone on my local nightly news, I had a sick feeling. Even his precious “verbal speaking skills” are sounding like Gee W.
Blaming the victims, “Mr. I never campaigned on a public option fierce advocate” is calling me irresponsible. Rich, Mr. Obama, very rich. Which reminds me that’s who you work for.
My God, the guy never takes responsibility for anything. It’s all the little guy America’s fault and nothing Mr. Obama and his Rahm and his Sommers team did. As someone pointed out it’s not even the failure as much as the lack of EVEN FUCKING TRYING.
We are on to the long con and I think he can go back to Chicago now. Mission Accomplished! Because you couldn’t pay me enough to vote for this fraud again.
We are all laughing our heads off, at your post!!!
See everyone that reads FDL is not a blogger.
Some of us actually helped the Con Man name Obama win in 2008.
I have strong feeling that Obama will come crawling for our help in 2012 and we will all whisper NO.
Would someone who continuously claims that third party candidates CAN’T win, please explain to me how Jesse Ventura, who ran on the Reform Party of Minnesota (a third party), was able to become the Governor of Minnesota? If enough people are fed up with the Democratic and Republican parties (and remember, not all Republicans are members of the tea party), I think a third party candidate COULD win.
It seems to me that a huge majority of people “desperately” want a leader who puts citizens before corporate and wealthy interests (that includes Democrats, Republicans and Independents).
Thanks for the Chris Hedges link.
I only got about half way through “War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning” because I thought the author’s perspective was too Christian (i.e. overly concerned with sin, Truth, good v. evil, etc.). However, I have really enjoyed his recent YouTube videos that others have linked to and this article, in spite of their religious slant. Thanks.
Empathize and don’t be afraid!
Jane, I don’t know if you keep track of a thread this late in the game, but if Norske decides to take his ball and go home, I’ll make up the difference.
I figure I’ve done as much as anyone to ruin your reputation along with some of the rest of commenting ingrates around here who have had enough of the betrayals of the Dems.
So you know where to find me. I’m still in the game. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit idly by and let the idiots running the country finish dismantling our Constitution and our democracy.
Let’s see…..Our favorite blogger decides that teaming with Grover Norquist falls under the category of “progressive strategy”…..Go FDLers! Let’s not kid ourserlves. None of the ‘opinion shappers’ on this blog could be described as part of “Obama’s base”. Sorry.
Flattery will get you nowhere.
Ok then, no reason to need or expect our votes then, so you hear that FDLers, now you can withhold your votes from the incumbant Democrats to hold them accountable for their behavior without guilt, since we’re not part of the base anyway. Our votes don’t matter!!!
Thanks for clearing that up!!!
The best of part dig’s comment is that he/she considers him/herself among Obama’s base and Obama thinks his base has been dragging their feet. So c’mon dig, get out there, quit yer bitchin’ and pull yer weight… Knock yerself out, because the big guy isn’t talking to us. Why aren’t you working harder???
Nice post. I think the other strategy is the White House wants to lose enough seats that they can blame Republicans for lackluster results in the 2012 campaign. Continuing the disappointing path they’ve been on for the past 2 years for the next 2 years with Democrats still clearly in charge will make Obama’s reelection chances more difficult. Obama has no intention of fighting harder for the working and middle class and really changing things (for the better of the American people), so they know all they’re going to have to help them with victory is voter anger towards Republicans, which was an important factor in his, and many Democrats’, victory in 2008. They’ll let some of their own lose their seats to guarantee they retain the presidency, and grab some of those lost seats back, for 2012. Back and forth, meanwhile things only get worse for most Americans. Really quite sad. This is simply not democracy.
Agreed. By the way, “becoz” should be spelled “because”.
Well, I think we have a few strategies. 1. Don’t register Republican or Democrat. 2. Protest the vote if you can organize or find such a protest happening in your city. Why keep participating in and validating a complete sham? Aim to decrease voter participation to as low as possible. 3. Write in a protest vote, but this works best if it’s a coordinated effort. Otherwise, it’ll just bump up voter participation numbers and the protest votes (fake names) won’t be mentioned if they’re all different. 4. Vote for a third party. They don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell in the American democracy, and will likely be blamed for losses of one of the major parties (see Greens/Nader in 2000 and Ross Perot being blamed for Clinton’s victory by Republicans), but you can take a stand and help legitimize other choices. Though, I still think it’s futile until some significant changes are made to the election process, the congress, senate, and presidency.
Of course, because only Democratic Party politicians are allowed to collaborate with Republicans. Jane teaming up with Norquist to investigate Emanuel is a much worse offense than supporting the Iraq War, the Patriot Act three times, legalizing torture, legalizing Bush’s illegal spying program, the credit card “reform” of 2005, class action lawsuit “reform”, CAFTA, the Bush-Cheney energy bill, repealing Glass-Steagall, and blocking derivatives reform in the 1990s. A MUCH WORSE OFFENSE!!!
Obanma is proving he is just another GenX whiny baby. “Wah, wah, wah, what – you expect me to actually produce? Fight for what I campaigned on?” He is without shame or consicence, along with all the political wags parroting this nonsense.
He can blame the election on anyone he likes but everyone (except the pathetic apologists) knows the truth. And the truth will eventually set him and a lot of Dems free – as in don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out. And the damage that results from the goofballs who do elected will be their fault too. Giving voters three bad choices (vote for you no matter what, vote against you, don’t vote) and then blaming them for not picking the bad option that helps your own election is really the ultimate in pathetic, cynical behavior. I can only hope the bullshit of both parties destroys them both and something better rises from the ashes, though I doubt I’ll see it in my lifetime. More likely, we are headed for a slide into third world dictatorship. I blame Obama for that too. He had the wind at his back and chose to lower the sails and play golf with the corporate aristocracy he so obviously wants to belong to. Ick.
I wrote this before in another post and it’s worth being expressed here: Let’s see the Democrats landslide the Republicans (particularly in the Senate).
Rather than 59/60 Democrats in the Senate, imagine there being 70. Now, I wonder (not too seriously): What other “progressive” legislation would the [D]iet Republicans have in (oh, so unfortunately) not getting the support of 70 or 69 or 68 or 67 or 66 or 65 or 64 or 63 or 62 or 61 or — gosh, darn it! — 60 votes? Nor 59 or 58 or 57 or…?
When it’s the 1919 Chicago White Sox that have taken the field and the fix is in, we know who’s not being serious.
People are already saying: Say it ain’t so O.
Vote Green in November.
Get enough votes that greens automatically qualify for to be on ballots without submitting petitions
Make a difference
Biggest thing President tried was Health Care Reform something which LBJ could not pull off completely because it was not that bad at that time. The only two Reforms and the reforms it had were Public Option and removal of Anti-trust Exemption. Once policy makers pull it away and adds Mandates on top of it with companies who play nickel and dime denial games with sick patients to eternity and premium increases they do not even know how they come up with it is nothing but making a bad situation hellish.
Let me tell you my personal experience. Only presidential library I was visited was of that of LBJ by chance when I visited Austin a decade ago and I saw poor old people who could barely afford the trip there with their grand-children and moving about in the place carefully as it was a temple. To me this well wishes after one is not present for atleast 3 decades is worth more than the experience of $30,000 a plate dinner one can have at a house in Greenwich (thanks Jane for that eye-opening blog) cracking jokes about peoples health affordability worries.
That is really cool.
From where in The White House are you posting this?
I think the idea to re-energize the Green Party with disaffected progressive Democrats is an excellent idea. At least there’s some infrastructure already there and congruence in most beliefs/policy prescriptions. The Green Party should make itself more visible these days.
The biggest problem with the Green Party in the US in presidential elections has been relying on celebrities and controversial figures. I think they should try one election running less known, less controversial candidates with a solid record of course. I think they expect those choices to increase media attention and therefore votes, but I think it may have had the opposite effect. I think they come from a strong position on their issues that many Americans can agree with.
Screw the Green Party. It’s time to start fresh.
Wow. I really need to start hanging out here.
Toto, we’re not in Kansas anymore.
Excellent post and many good comments.
We need to focus on Corporations vs. The People, not Dems vs Reps.
And keep thinking about how to invent an alternative economy.
Otherwise, we’re screwed.
The only people who are “destroying the progressive movement” are the ones who are betraying it’s ideals for political power and expediency.
You’re right. We’re not. Which is why he won’t be getting a lot of our votes. And may, very well, not get re-elected.
I can tell you that I won’t be out there helping this time after both my first and second choices failed to get the nomination. I know if he gets a primary challenge from a legitimate progressive, I’ll be there to help whomever it is defeat Obama.
Otherwise, my wife and I will continue to do what we’ve done the past year. We piss on the Democratic Party and their support groups and give directly to REAL PROGRESSIVES.
So, I hope it’s clear that, unlike the “team Obama” clowns, I’m not a “team politics” player. I play for a vision of the United States based on honor, respect, merit, sound policy and compassion for our fellow man.
Not the corporatist Democrats. Certainly not the quisling Obama.
So, I’d rather see a Republican in the Whitehouse. Sure, there’ll be damage. But it likely won’t be worse than what Obama is doing right now.
And, after the Republicans screw it up. We might be able to ride the back-backlash to REAL progressive democrats, and not keep empowering the Republican-lite Democrats we have now.
What good are diaries? You can have ten, thirty and be exactly where you are. This thread is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. It’s probably played out which means I’m talking to myself. Nothing constructive is either planned or talked about. As for third parties, they are worthless and have been generally with one or two exceptions. You have the process wrong.
Facebook didn’t go door to door to get its half billion members. We need something to attract people on a local level. They come to the network. The network doesn’t go to them. When enough people are involved, you can have a third party with demonstrated power. If you can’t demonstrate power, you’re Ralph Nader.
I agree with you, Moses. My problem is, I find it incredibly tiresome to weed out the “true” Progressives. For instance, Peter Defazio’s now asking for money, is he a “true” Progressive? Not in my book! Check out on his web site how he describes the HCR legislation. His explanation would be flat out embarrassing if REAL HCR wasn’t crucially important to our country.
I call bullshxt. how do you ‘get insurance you couldnt get before’? 22k seniors in MASS just lost their Medicare Advantage and it is only the beginning. premiums are UP 22% across the country this year. The preex limits for adults does not kick in til ’14. Kids are getting their individual policies ELIMINATED.
his deal with Big Pharma and Big Ins sold everyone down the river
just like with housing
whocouldanode mr pragmatist, voting present, would have no guts to FIGHT.
oh yeah I knew, HRC supporters knew. we told you. The Tea Party Patriots embrace the middle class, at least if we are all ‘on our own’ we know it. this joker pretends to help and sells us down the river.
as I said then, Dems will be out of power for a generation thanks to Obama and his inability to govern and his desire to keep lecturing us on OUR limitations all while being incapable of recognizing his own.
Romney 12
Hillary 16
yeah the explanation is Obama is incompetent, he is not playing 22 dimensional chess folks, he can. not. govern. all he knows how to do is call a meeting and wait for a ‘consensus’ to develop.
if you really think a malignant narcissist like O WANTS to lose the most seats evah, and have that actual HISTORIC! label hung on him you are missing a lot of what makes him tick.
Earlier in the thread I flagged zeabow’s comment because it seemed to say a lot of what I was thinking. But you are right, jedimom. Obama doesn’t want for Dems to lose control of the legislative branch. He just wants to preserve his position as dealmaker, evidently catering to corporate power, regardless of who’s in charge of Congress.
If Republicans are in charge, Clintonian wisdom suggests that he and other corporate Dems are less exposed in that capacity. It would appear the challenge for Progressives is to prove that wisdom wrong.
I could not agree more. I believe, based on observing three years of behavior, that this President has a very deep seated character problem. The guy has a body count of supporters whom, at the FIRST sign of trouble, he stabbed in the back and threw overboard to protect himself. It started with Samantha Powers during the primary. Remember? She describes Hillary’s behavior as monstrous. At the first sign of trouble, BOOM, she’s gone. Next, Van Jones. Next, ACORN. Next, Shirley Sherrod. Now, the very people who spent blood, sweat and tears getting him elected.
There is also an apocryphal story about the DNC national meeting in San Francisco, either late 2007 or early 2008. All the other Democratic Presidential candidates had their pictures taken with the host mayor, Gavin Newsome, except for our President. Only one reason anyone has come up with–the guy didn’t want any of that nasty gayness gettin’ on him and tarnishing his chances for election.
The President has nearly finished his self portrait, and the number one characteristic that stands out is utter disloyalty to friends and supporters.
Cancer, indeed.
on behalf of slacking Gen X-ers everywhere…let’s not go there. Not everyone can be “The Greatest Generation”…Boomers, take note. Gen Y, you are just as responsible for Obama as X-er’s are, remember his Facebook page?
Technically, Obama couldn’t be an X-er because he’s already vastly overachieved in his life. First person of color to become Editor of Harvard Law Review, US Senator at 40, POTUS at 47…no way he’s a Gen-X slacker.
Other than your unfortunate attempts to castigate all X-ers as WATB’s, I agree with everything you say 100%. =)
welcome to the Lake. Jump right on in…the water’s fine. =)