Noam Scheiber writes a lengthy portrait of David Axelrod in the latest issue of the New Republic. Axelrod is apparently not having fun, bemoaning Washington DC as place where “too many people spend too much time kneecapping each other to certify their own importance.”
Axelrod likes to aim a little higher apparently, because he then pulls out a giant knife and plants it right between Rahm’s shoulder blades:
Last spring, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel began pursuing a series of deals with interest groups—insurers, pharmaceutical manufacturers, hospitals—to grease the passage of health care. When Axelrod eventually turned to the issue, he became frustrated. The deals Emanuel was negotiating were moving the legislation forward. But they risked provoking a public backlash. “During the campaign we fought against insurance companies,” Axelrod said in discussions with Emanuel and the president. “After the deals with insurance companies, the deals with Pharma—all these people are supposedly our friends.”
Ouch. I guess they need a sin eater, and after Durbin’s pointed refusal to endorse Rahm on CNN yesterday, looks like it might be him.
But it’s also clear that the race is on to unload responsibility for the extremely unpopular health care bill. And Axelrod wants to make sure he doesn’t get the blame:
In the spring of 2009, White House officials gathered in the Roosevelt Room to discuss the direction of health care reform. One of the looming questions was the so-called tax exclusion. Under the status quo, a worker making $75,000 per year with no benefits would pay taxes on all his compensation. But a worker making $50,000 plus $25,000 in health benefits would only pay taxes on his income; the benefits would be untouched. This gave employers an incentive to provide generous insurance, which, in turn, led workers to consume too much health care. Pretty much every wonk in the administration believed that taxing benefits was essential. But the political team saw a problem: During the presidential campaign, Obama had criticized John McCain for a similar proposal.
Axelrod was especially concerned about reversing course. The campaign had run millions of dollars in ads specifically on the issue. To underscore the point, he screened a roughly ten-minute montage of every Obama ad blasting McCain as a tax-raiser. It was to little avail. By late July, when the president held an Oval Office meeting with several prominent health economists, it was clear he intended to endorse the tax (though it ultimately fell hardest on upper-income workers). Axelrod stood off to the side and said little.
Axelrod said plenty during the health care fight actually. The self-described “populist” was feeding dutiful JournoList scribes like Jon Chait and Matt Yglesias, as well as John Cole, cues to attack the “left” for raising justified concerns about both the bill, and what it would mean for the Democratic Party:
Trying to stave off a sudden fusillade from the left, White House senior adviser David Axelrod said Thursday that Howard Dean’s criticisms of health-care reform are “predicated on a bunch of erroneous conclusions” and that for progressives to torpedo the legislation “would be a tragic, tragic outcome.”
“To defeat a bill that will bend the curve on this inexorable rise in health-care costs is insane,” Axelrod said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “I don’t think that you want this moment to pass. It will not come back.”
Axelrod called in from the West Wing as the White House mobilized Thursday morning in the face of a surprising and potentially fatal chorus of opposition from the left.
In the most vivid indication of the crisis facing White House messengers, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann told viewers Wednesday night that the Senate version has become “unsupportable … a hollow shell of a bill.”
Of course it wasn’t true that the health care bill would “bend the curve on this inexorable rise in health care costs.” But Axelrod’s efforts were largely successful, and in short order Olbermann, Dean and others were wilting under the onslaught and toeing the White House line. Here’s how Jon Chait of Noam Scheiber’s own New Republic was dutifully attacking “liberal critics” who wouldn’t:
Here it is, the most dramatic improvement in social justice in at least four decades fighting for its life in the home stretch, and the left can barely be roused to fight for it. The somnolence is far from universal, but on the left there is at least as much passion against health care reform as for it. One of many considerations the vulnerable Democratic moderates who hold reform’s fate in their hands must balance is, in return for the limitless rage of the right, will they get any credit from the left for backing this reform? At the moment when every voice counts, when every ounce of pressure could prove decisive, here is FireDogLake:
Lynn Woolsey says she’s a definite “yes” vote on the Senate health care bill. Even if it lacks a public option. Despite the fact that it’s the biggest blow to a woman’s right to choose in a generation, and may come at the price of a stand-alone vote that allows Blue Dogs and ConservaDems to join with Republicans and roll them back even further in order to get Bart Stupak’s support.
Any ability for progressives to negotiate, to achieve meaningful concessions, to exert their influence and make the bill better just disappeared.
It’s time for Lynn Woolsey to resign as the head of the Progressive Caucus.
Yes, that is what it is time for! One day, when progressives study this moment in history, they will evaluate all of us by this single standard: What did they do to stop Lynn Woolsey?
And here was Matt Yglesias, echoing Axelrod’s refrain:
I wish that FDL agreed with me and Chait and Paul Krugman and the SEIU and the NAACP about health care rather than taking its counterproductive dead-ender stance. But the fact of the matter is that on this issue they represent a rather marginal point of view and I don’t see any real evidence that there’s major support for their view.
People like Chait and Yglesias who have little or no experience in electoral politics might have an excuse for thinking opposition to the health care bill was a “marginal point of view” and a “counterproductive dead-ender stance,” especially if they were looking to the opinions of influential elites like Axelrod for their cues.
And it’s no mystery why freshly minted Democrat John Cole was cheerleading the comfortable familiarity of a Republican health care bill – after its passage, Nancy Pelosi quickly sent out an email bragging that its underlying principles were written by the Heritage Foundation, with the helpful quote that “Democrats have been less than true to their principles.”
But Axelrod could read a poll. And any comprehensive internal polling undoubtedly told him, just as it told us, that it spelled disaster for the Democrats in November if this health care bill passed. And yet here was Axelrod:
Peggy Noonan, the columnist and former Reagan speechwriter, told Axelrod: “On the issue of health care, you are losing the left, you are losing the right, you are losing the center. That looks to me like a political disaster.”
“When you describe what’s in the bill, there’s strong support for it,” Axelrod replied.
Just like Chris Van Hollen, Axelrod knew better at the time. And he lied.
I don’t really care what David Axelrod tells the New Republic in order to escape the exploding political bomb of the health care bill. He spent his fair share of time punching hippies for pointing out the obvious truth that this would be an incredibly unpopular bill.
If it’s all Rahm’s fault for cutting backroom deals with PhRMA and AHIP last summer, where was Axelrod then?
Update: John Cole breaks out in hysteria over an unfortunate edit that implied he was a member of Journolist. No, he wasn’t, and I didn’t think he was. I apologize and edited it for clarity.
He responds, “you’ve lost your shit“:
I have repeatedly and consistently stated over and over again that I would prefer any health care bill penned by Jane, D-Day, Jon Walker, or any number of far more progressive bills- if they had any chance of passing. Unlike some, I am quite capable of counting to 60. There were never votes for the public option.
I’m happy he can count to sixty but apparently he can’t read. The health care bill passed through reconciliation, it only needed 50 votes in the Senate. Hence all the giant headlines like this that appeared across the internet for months:
Reid: Dems will use 50-vote tactic to finish healthcare in 60 days
There were 53 Senators on record supporting the public option.
Life in a screeching echo chamber often makes it difficult to know what’s happening in the real world. But for anyone interested in staying informed and discerning the facts before they form their opinions, we actually took a good deal of trouble to document things along the way.
I get no small amount of frothing emails from people who say the same thing John says — “we didn’t have 60 votes for the public option.” And I’m sure that during the months he spent eating his own liver in a fit of misogynistic rage, he was responsible for misinforming many of them. An honest broker would take some time to correct that, rather than have another heapin’ helping of bile. But having lived through the “Jane Hamshers of the left” experience with Cole, I’m willing to bet that won’t be happening any time soon.





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Sorry Axe. You certainly played enough in the sh*t to get the sh*t splatter on ya – the protest are too little too late as they always are.
Did Axelrod know Rahm before he came to D.C.? Of course he did. So why is he surprised that Rahm is a corporate whore? Or is he just surprised that Rahmbo sold out so quickly? I guess my only wish is that this came after Rahm left to try his hand at mayor. I’d like nothing better than to have Rahm run and get his ass kicked.
It’s easier to make Rahm take all the blame than to look at Max Baucus and his good friend Liz Fowler.
But really, this all goes back to a perceived need for more money to counter the Republican fundraising machine, which was always potent and now in the wake of the Citizens United ruling is even more potent. To remove the need to sell out for corporate donations, campaign finance reform is needed — and there’s a bill before Congress right now that is a big step in that direction.
I blame them all. They were all complicit and Axelrod was on all of the Sunday shows, cheerleading this abominable give away to the insurance companies and pharmaceuticals.
LOL at the caption of the picture.
I wonder how it affects people’s opinion of the healthcare law when you tell them the Dems stole the idea from the Heritage Foundation. Kind of embarrassing. Not only are our party leaders plagiarists, but they’re plagiarizing the wrong people. As the enthusiasm gap becomes a maelstrom of despair.
The Fat Cat
Early on, the administration and the Democrats in Congress decided that the best strategy was to get whatever they could and call it a “victory”, no matter how it sold out the American people, rather than holding out for true reform and fighting for the American people and sticking with stated Democratic principles. Now we see the result. Instead of a fired up base, anxious to elect more Democrats in order to enact TRUE reform, we have an extremely disappointed and apathetic one who are expected to cheer louder based on a vague promise of “fixing” this law at some point in the future. Well Axelrod and Rahm and Van Hollen and Hoyer and Pelosi and Reid and everybody else who caved in, you made your own bed. Blaming me when you get thrashed in November will not only be illogical, it will ultimately cause you even more self inflicted damage. This is what happens when you decide that the Progressive base is just as vapid and reflexive as the teabagger base. F*cking idiots…
Axelrod has shit all over his hands. Trying to wipe it of on Rahm won’t make his hands clean. I wouldn’t want to shake hands with him.
The President is too interested in politics and victory points and more campaign money for a party with no consistent philosophy except winning elections.
That would be satisfying.
Not everyone will get it, but if you do, well…
Hey Obama, bought-off puppet, like we give a fuck anymore, let alone about parsing your bullshit-spouting spokesdouchebags.
Post-Obama, people. I mean, come on. To even pay attention to this flapdoodle is Veal Pen.
Brilliant political reporting. But it seems as if the President was stabbing himself in the back with all this eleven, I mean one dimensional, retarded scheming. Obama makes himself weaker everyday as he sells out the people who gave him the job. It also seems Obama is quite lazy as he really fights for nothing,except neutralizing the Democratic base. If the Tea Party is a Fascist movement some of its success has to be given to Obama, as he has enabled them more than anyone.
Makes it sound like republicans, only Democrats aren’t craven enough to succeed.
Sorry for the OT, but can someone here tell me what time Lisa Derrick’s Movie Salon is tonight? I looked for it on the front page, but I don’t see it. Thanks.
They take care of the Corps. who pay for their extremely expensive campaigns and the public be damned, it’s that simple. The Gopers are luckier in that their base are morons who actually enjoy voting against their own interests as the GOP parrots it’s social agenda.
Jane Hamsher’s Red Meat Cafe: yummy.
Thanks, Jane, I needed this today. Just wonderful.
David People in other countries live longer than us and with National Healthcare they have no restrictions on consuming healthcare.
How can they afford that drug price controls, no insurance company making a profit off of a job Government does cheaper and judging by the longer life spans better.
Its sad David that illegal immigrants those who only get emergency room care live longer than White Americans who are much more likely to get healthcare. This raises the question just how good is the healthcare are private insurance companies provide?
A healthy diet and exercise immigrants get the hardest jobs seems to be a better bet for the money if you want to save lives than Obama care.
Tax the fast food industry stop giving tax dollars to farmers to grow feed corn for meat give money for fresh vegetables.
I would love to see that. I don’t think Rahm’s mayoral campaign is going to be as easy as Rahm thinks it will be.
Pan European strikes are being organized throughout Europe to protest harsh austerity measures. In the U.S. no coverage from the corporate media. Nothing but crickets and Lindsay Lohan. A general strike would send the rats scurrying.
I believe Movie Salons are on Mondays at 5pm pacific time.
I bet David never asked if Congress’s free healthcare plan lets Congress consume to much healthcare.
So, Axelrod was “concerned” that doing the exact opposite of what you promised voters might be a bad idea? He’s so smart, that guy!
That’s what I thought too, thanks. Don’t want to miss it.
Is that photo Axe’s My Pet Goat moment?
We have been talking about boycotting the Koch brothers company if we could get all the big Lefty blogs to push the idea well we have been effective with Glen Beck,Target and Whole foods has Glen found even one big advertiser yet willing to buy ads on his show just how much is Rupert losing with a primetime show that sells ads to fly by night gold companies?
It must have been terribly frustrating, putting together that long DVD of Obama ads promising exactly the opposite of what Rahm was doing to HIR, and Obama criticizing McCain for proposing exactly what Rahm was doing to HIR. If only Axelrod had some power other than that A/V Club presidency Obama appointed him to.
It reminds me of the DVD the WH CoS had to make for Bush about Katrina, only it’s even worse: “Hey, this is what YOU told people in order to win this office, dude.” Pretty sure there was an intended audience of one: The One.
The silence the critics strategy doesn’t seem to be working.
The proof they were selling us out came shortly after adoption of the health insurance mandate when no one bothered to attempt to make it better.
The Obama Whitehouse turned its attention to polishing the turd known as Obama’s war and doing their best to destroy what is left of civil liberties. Show them all the door.
I am at a loss to know what course should be taken with health care. The republicans promise to repeal it, leaving behind perhaps some of the good parts. The dems are ignoring it. It must really be bad and that suggests it should be repealed. I don’t have enough details on the assistance the bill will give for buying insurance to know which is best.
The problem with repeal is it may take decades to get another one. I suspect the republicans will control congress for a good long while and if the dems ever get control again (I say “if: because there is no limit on Koch and friends now) they will still have them blue dogs to deal with. That says we should keep it and try to amend it. Don’t know.
Any mention of David’s talks with Lefty Bloggers and just what do they talk about it does not seem like the WH should be happy with what we are saying so I doubt they are managing the Blogs like they want too.
They are all responsible! It’s not like we didn’t send them enough messages, e-mails, letters and heads-up.
For all the people like me that are unemployed and under employed, I guess they will have to send the Insurance police. I certainly can’t pay for that outrageous MANDATED Health Insurance Deal they have.
Truer words were never spoken, Axe. I was a lifelong Democrat and still able to be cowed into voting for the lesser evil, until this insurance industry bailout passed. That was the moment for me when it all ceased to matter.
I think the pic may need to have a /s label – if I hadn’t seen the little girl’s head I’d have totally bought that the WH kept David Gregory’s attention with a graphic novel approach to the briefing.
Yes, but remember: Vote for Democrats blindly anyway, because the Republicans are scarrrry! Also, the Dems have a new logo, which is far better than any real change in policy that benefits the middle class.
Never mind criticizing McCain. What about the withering criticism of Clinton for her insurance mandates? Let’s face it, this administration doesn’t know what the hell it’s doing and they really don’t care.
So, who was it that thought Rahm should be CoS?
I’m guessing that Axelrod didn’t catch the clue that, after months of running on how incompetent and unqualified Hilary Clinton was in foreign affairs, Obama lined her up as Sec of State. It was ok to sell a knowingly false narrative to crater Clinton, but then he was going to transform?
Yeah Seriously. Based on results it doesn’t seem like the public is getting too much healthcare.
Do the folks in the Whitehouse know the difference between beer and healthcare?
Yes, unlimited free beer would lead to massive over consumption followed by vomitting and a hangover. Is that really the way they think healthcare works? Would more people become ill if healthcare was cheaper and/or free?
I didn’t think, nor evidently did the Obama Administration, that a strong backlash against his health care legislation would come until after the mandate goes into effect in 2014. Add to that the list of failures on the economy, jobs, the wars, civil liberties, and disparaging progressives/liberals and you get what you deserve.
In the rhetoric of the Dems this year, why should we be giving you back the keys, to keep us driving in the ditch?
Don’t listen to me. I’m just a F****** Retard.
I’m not talking about a boycott. I’m talking about a general strike where everything shuts down.
It’s flawed logic. Corporate donors are always going to give more to Rethugs, no matter how much Democrats cave in to corporate interests. Since it’s a losing battle, why even fight it, when in the process you lose the support of the majority block of voters?
I continue to be surprised at how little attention is being paid @ FDL to the financial markets, and I don’t mean tracking the ticker. As I see it, at this point in time, it is likely to be the biggest driver of history, yet when discussing politics it’s the elephant in the room that everyone fails to notices.
Alan Greenspan told the Council of Foreign Relations Sept 16, 2010:
Fiat money has no place to go but gold. If all currencies are moving up or down together, the question is: relative to what? Gold is the canary in the coal mine. It signals problems with respect to currency markets. Central banks should pay attention to it.
Today FT: Europe’s central banks halt gold sales, and at Zero Hedge: Central Banks No Longer Selling Gold (Duh Factor: 10/10)
And what is gold? Gold is a hedge against Fiat Money. It’s a hedge against Inflation and against a Market collapse, with it’s attendant consequences. And here in lies the rub: if gold is right, then all current political punditry is dead wrong. The SEC halted short selling, suspended Mark to Market accounting rules, and if they had the power to confiscate gold which is a thorn (a check and balance) in their fraudulent scheme, – they would.
So, when Roubini sees a 40% and rising chance of a double dip, while Peter Schiff sees stagflation flipping into hyperinflation, Dr. Doom seems like Dr. Docile. And when growing ranks of contrarians actually see a complete Market melt down, while the levels of growing stress are palpable in the voices and manner of CNBC’s immaculate Market cheerleaders, one has to wonder why those conditions fail to find relevance in political discussions at FDL. I ask, because one PIIG going down, or some other, perhaps geopolitical event, or disclosure of some outrageous far reaching financial fraud, could cause a domino effect that would cast this society into complete turmoil.
Would that not throw sand into the gears of political punditry? I believe that the chances of a game changing market event occurring before Nov. 2012 are sufficiently substantial to merit much more discussion @ FDL.
A boycott is a first step we need to organize and show people yes we can do it we need to create a series of successful boycotts to convince people to join the winning side that yes if we call for a general strike we can shut everything down.
Heck if just 10% of the workforce shuts down for a week we can get anything we want.
This makes me crazy. We should all be pushing hard for general strikes. I believe that’s the only thing that would really make a difference in the short term.
Agreed and Doctors visits unlike beer are not fun. Unless you like being sick but thats a mental disorder.
Was that a K-Y product ?
Oh how terribly sad and tragic. its such a shame that no one tried to warn them over and over and over again, for months, that this was heading there. i dont just mean merely complain either, i mean provide polls, and petitions and open letters and pledges to members of congress, . too bad..
both a boycott AND a general strike would be good. we rarely hear about strikes in other countries. In rightwinglandia, they simply don’t happen.
It is discussed here, almost daily. I know that the Seminal has many writers that post economic news and discuss it at length. Besides, the market is being led by those that the NeoCons wanted and is doing exactly what the NeoCons want it to do.
How much more will America allow them to take? That’s the real question. Our monetary system is already debunked. All you have to do is watch the currency rate on any Finance page to see.
Wonk On With Your Bad Self -
Many Wish HCR Went Further
my Schaden wont quit freuding !
The rats are abandoning; the ship is sinking in the (FD)Lake.
Where is the pleasure in seeing a doctor more than is necessary David is assuming a false unproven hypothesis rather than wanting to admit the obvious Americans have such poor healthcare that when they do get good benefits they get all the things they put off checking checked.
I don’t think we have that much time, and there’s a difference psychologically between boycotts and a general strike where everyone has the chance to be empowered and participate. Imagine you’re a Target employee, other people boycott Target and you lose your job. That’s different than being a Target employee and joining the general strike yourself.
Why not write a blog about it, yourself, on the Seminal? Sounds like a good discussion topic, to me. Good luck. I’ll read it.
LOL! You go! You truthinessessesssss!
Rahm ate my homework !
If France, up to 3 million protested the hikng of the pension age to 62.
What would a Doctor know about Health Care than duel citizen rahm didn’t already know?
What happens to the value of any country’s currency when there’s not enough gold in the world to base currency on it? How will the capitalist class react if their holdings are devalued on a return to the gold standard? William Grieder provides a response to the return to the gold standard meme in Secrets of the Temple. I consider Greider much more knowledgeable, and credible, than anybody I’ve read at ZeroHedge.
Basing currency on metals is a non-starter.
OT, did anyone see 60 Minutes last night. The Taliban has all the high ground. For the sake of U.S. troops hope the Taliban isn’t reading Giap.
We don’t have the time to organize before the election agreed. But after the election when the Tea Baggers get a few seats.
Maybe we can organize a National refuse to pay taxes protest to end the War and Create Jobs. Obama would have to spend millions to take us to court garnish wages etc plus we could get the Tea baggers to join in.
A Left Right alliance is the last thing the Dems and GOP want threaten the money its all they care about.
Of course Axelrod doesn’t give a shit that voters received a bait and switch, that’s standard campaigning/governing procedure. He’s only worried about the administrations loss of credibility and the effect it might have on 2012. Not even waiting for the midterms to start trying to shore up their cred. Good luck with that, Dav-ee (in best Goliath voice).
Axelrod’s a joke, along with just about everyone else in Obummer’s admin. With each passing day, they succeed in looking ever weaker, ever dumber, ever more pathetic.
I hated that Obama appointed Rahm as CoS, but I had some teensy hope that, maybe bc he worked with Clinton, Emanuel *might* have the experience and knowledge to assist Obama in a meaningful way. Just trying to, you know, see the friggin glass half full at that time.
Well now we know. Emanual is the creep that he is, and Axelgrease wishes to distance himself from the stupid show. Sorry Ax: you’re in it up to your eyeballs. I hold you as much accountable as the next guy. Weeeaaakk, very weeeeakkk.
I feel like we, and the country, are so screwed, and it frankly doesn’t matter all that much what happens in this stupid 2012 election. We’re effed. Better start learning Mandarin, folks.
Axelrod, Gibbs, Obama, all liked the idea of getting in bed with Rahm, because they all loved Rahm.
Axelrod, Gibbs, Obama are not morons! they endorse and promoted all of Rahm actions during the health care debate.
The so call liberal corporate media that is own by rich republicans can not protect Obama from the real world.
1: 1 in 7 americans are poor
2: Yes! the USA is in a depression
3: The professional left and un-professional left all hate the current path the Obama adminstration is now on.
4: the base of the GOP and Democrats both think their leaders are more concerned about rich people and corporations which is true.
5: Democrats and Republicans both hate the Bob Dole Health Care Bill
Axelrod, Gibbs, Jarrett all know the Obama Brand is becoming TOXIC!!!
Obama made one huge mistake! Obama screwed the people who got him to the White House! (the elites may have plan for Obama to be a one term president, but they did not plan on Obama being destroyed in a primary by a real progressive candidate)
What progressives must do is look at Obama actions. Obama actions leads one to think that Obama planned on being a 1 term president, and he wanted to keep progressive voter turn out low in 2010 and 2012. Obama done nothing to energize the progressives base, who does this? A trojan horse.
Axelrod, Gibbs, Rahm, all know Obama over played his hand. Now progressives are real angry!!! A lot of progressives know that they have been Con by Obama.
Thus you have Axelrod, Gibbs, Rahm all throwing knives at each other. There is no trust among Con men.
Why is gold valuable at all? It is just more made up baloney.
Thousands of desperate voters whose major issue was healthcare followed this very very closely – I was one of them. I read candidate Obama’s healthcare stances on his website and listened to every debate and Town Hall. As a candidate he was for: a public option, transparency, no “back room deals”(it would “be on Cspan”), negotiating drug prices for Medicare and drug re-importation. He was against mandates and taxes on benefits.
So someone tell me how I ended up with healthcare “reform” with no public option, no drug negotiation for Medicare, no drug re-importation (this one is particularly galling since the White House lobbied heavily to kill Dorgan’s bill when it looked like it might pass)and WITH backroom deals, mandates and taxes on benefits.
This is the All Democratic Healthcare reform bill?! This piece of crap was the best they could do without even one frigging Republican vote? I think they are all duplicitous, self-enriching, smarmy con men.
We now also find out that the high risk pools are underfunded and unaffordable and of help to just a tiny percentage of the truly desperate who were hanging on by their fingernails waiting for this sham legislation to pass. The rest of us have to hang on until 2014 when we might see some relief in the exchanges if we haven’t died or been bankrupted by then. By then of course,costs will have risen so much that all the figures used as predictors will be useless rubbish.
I don’t think President Obama and the Dems have any idea how much disappointment leading to disgust they have engendered with their much lacking legislation.
Great photo and caption.
Yeah, well, Obama may suck, but don’t even start with the Hillary nonsense. The continuation of the dynasty is just insanity. We don’t need a Democrat version of the Bushes. There are other politicians out there. Would be nice spending her whole term having to defend her husband’s policies. Not to mention the fact she would have put exactly the same people around her that Obama did. All those people are Clinton’s lackeys.
What do the military guys at the Lake think about this if they control the high ground why are they waiting for winter?
People believe it has value thats all it takes of course it does have no use.
Yes, actually that did get a tiny bit of airtime on NPR (fwiw), plus I read a small article about it in my local newspaper. So there was some coverage, but of course, most citizens could care less about the frogs. They don’t see any connection between USA workers and workers elsewhere. Of course, the PTB have worked very very hard to make US citizens believe that we live in some kind of national bubble, where nothing anywhere else has an affect on us here… unless it’s something that “makes” us go to war.
You know, you really should make this into a diary of your own. Seems you have some very good points to be made.
Devastating.
I agree with you!
The illusion that is the USA economy is about to go POOF!
Gold does not lie!
The Chinese are laughing at the WEST!!! along with RUSSIA
Cause it’s shiny, you need more reason than that? Geez.
I don’t ask for much from life, as long as I got my gold house and my rocket-car, I’m happy…
Really it’s not. Well, it is worth more than money but wayyyyy less than oil. Just ask the oil barrons and D. Cheney. They can tell you where the real value is.
Jon Walker has a fresh cross-post ready: Poll Gives Democrats and Obama Cause for Worry – Now, and in 2012
I worry about the will of the Tea Partiers to do anything that would threaten their own personal livelihood (to the extent they have one). On the left we seem to be (or at least used to be) willing to risk our own personal situations for the greater good – i.e., to join in a general strike even if that meant our own personal jobs may be at stake. I think the Tea Partiers are mostly selfish, stupid, and not interested whatsoever in the greater good. All they want is a return to a full-blown version of I Got Mine – even though the way they got theirs often involves government assistance, subsidies, tax breaks, etc.
Guaranteed that demonstrations of the sort going on today in France would bring out the SWAT teams if the broke out in US cities.
It’s an artificially created value, like diamonds. There’s tons of diamonds out there, but their value has been inflated by the diamond mine owners and the jewelers, who have conned citizens (mostly female) into believing that owning a diamond is something really “special.”
Gold is similar. It’s a metal that’s in limited supply, and it certainly can cost a lot to mine it and be very tricky to mine. That said, gold’s inherent value is an artificial construct, where there’s been this “agreement” to make it cost a lot. Been going on for centuries.
Gold’s value has been hyped since the stock market crash of 2008, and charlatans like Glenn Beck & his GoldLine sponsor have SCARED the stupid into buying this product as if it’s some kind of “hedge” against ????
What happens if everything crashes? Where is GOLD gonna help you out? If everything crashes, gold isn’t going to necessarily be any more valuable than anything else.
Yep. Ewe and Axel-wrapped deserve to wear the sh#t they heartlessly dished out and the steenkin’ pile of caca they left of everything they reverse-Midas touched.
Where am I suggesting a return to the gold standard? I am too finance-challenge to go there. But if you ignore what’s happening around the world in the financial markets, you are not going to get far in your political analysis.
They’re not laughing real hard. China has a lot of dollars since we have to pay for all that junk with them.
Good point we should not expect support from the Tea Baggers but if they don’t join an anti tax protrest they lose their Cred with Moderate Voters.
Win/Win for us.
It’s Axel’s version of My Pet Goat.
Maybe not SWAT teams, but the FBI might be inclined to run around taking photos like they did with the Merton Peace Rally in 2002:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/opinion/27mon2.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=merton&st=cse
Note how they’ll go after leftists holding a PEACE rally, while T-tards can threaten all kinds of violence against other citizens and politicians, threaten to overthrow the gov’t, threaten to kill abortion doctors (and do so), threaten to sucede from the USA, etc, and whadddaya get? Crickets…
heh… that’s what I thought, too. har har
Ritholz:
What does it mean when we can no longer distinguish between the actions of the left and the right? If that dynamic no longer accurately distinguishes what occurs, why are so many of our policy debates framed in Left/Right terms?
In many ways, American society is increasingly less married to this dynamic: Party Affiliation continues to fall, approval of Congress is at record lows, and voter participation hovers at very low rates.
There is some pushback already taking place against the concentration of corporate power: Mainstream corporate media has been increasingly replaced with user created content – YouTube and Blogs are increasingly important to news consumers (especially younger users). Independent voters are an increasingly larger share of the US electorate. And I suspect that much of the pushback against the Elizabeth Warren’s concept of a Financial Consumer Protection Agency plays directly into this Corporate vs. Individual fight.
But the battle lines between the two groups have barely been drawn. I expect this fight will define American politics over the next decade.
Keynes vs Hayek? Friedman vs Krugman? Those are the wrong intellectual debates. Its you vs. Tony Hayward, BP CEO, You vs. Lloyd Blankfein, Goldman Sachs CEO. And you are losing . . .
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/you-vs-corporations/
True, but they are paying attention to what’s happening here and also manipulating their currency to favor themselves (who can blame the Chinese for doing that):
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/opinion/27kaletsky.html?ref=todayspaper
Interesting editorial.
An apt analogy.
Except that the roberts court made money a game changer, unlike it ever was before. The scales are now tipped against you unless you have access to unlimited funds that can buy movements like the Tea Party. In fact, I think the roberts court will continue to make huge changes in the political landscape and they are not often noticed. That small change to Sarbanes- Oxley recently that roberts oversaw could also change all sorts of administrative law, including SS, etc.
Then you go on about gold being the canary in the mine.
During financial crises the price of gold rises as the capitalist class strives to insure its wealth. As times get better they make every effort to sell their gold at a profit.
Central banks normally halt gold sales when their inventory drops to a pre-set level. One of the reasons Nixon took us off the gold standard was the demand for payment in gold to pay for the war in Viet Nam.
I think most here pay close attention to what’s going on in the financial sector. It is, after all, the sector that won out over our manufacturing base.
The other day someone on FDL described the new Dem logo as “a D in a hole.” That’s it.
I agree about janeeyresick@62 doing a blog.
I’ve long thought that Obamaco either somehow really believes their own hyped bull hockey that this pos health care “reform” is the bestest evah win! OR they know it’s corporate welfare (for which they were handsomely paid off, so eff the proles), but they really thought the left base was as dumb/brainwashed as T-partiers and wouldn’t “get” how crappy this legislation is… at least until 2014 when most of it kicks in.
I think Obamaco really underestimated just how closely many citizens were watching and involved and invested in the process. Citizens really paid attention. I’m sure that Obamaco is eternally grateful to David Koch & Rupert Murdoch for ginning up the shrieking T-tardz at the Town Halls to create such distractions. But even that didn’t work. Citizens still paid attention.
Citizens are angry about HCR bc they know it’s a pos. Conservatives are mad just because, but Indies and the left are mad bc we know it’s crummy and some parts are worse than before. Plus it’s not what the majority of citizens wanted, which was attainable.
Write a blog. It’s worthwhile. Send another message to Obamaco that we ain’t buying his sh*t just cuz he’s peddling it as shinola.
SD, “Then you go on about gold being the canary in the mine.” Moi?, -WTF are you talking about?
The US dollar is the new gold standard. This power can be used for good or ill, but since bankers are the only ones who seem to realize it, mostly ill.
Michael Hudson has been writing about this since the early 1970′s.
http://michael-hudson.com/
It’s a international currency just like drugs and oil.
Valuable commodities to humans everywhere.
Indeed, as William Jennings Bryan said in his address at the Democratic National Convention in 1896,
“Thou shalt not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.”
Wasn’t that perfect! And “Change That Matters” is totally silly – makes it sound as if the changes in the last 2 years didn’t matter – oh, wait. :)
That’s the 3rd paragraph in your comment at 42. Are you just copying and pasting from somewhere without reading it?
Thanks Jane, loves me some inside baseball.
This was funny: “….marginal point of view…..”
Hey Dave, it ain’t to effing ”marginal” today, is it.
Back to work.
Namaste
But that’s Greenspan talking!
Alan Greenspan told the Council of Foreign Relations Sept 16, 2010:
Fiat money has no place to go but gold. If all currencies are moving up or down together, the question is: relative to what? Gold is the canary in the coal mine. It signals problems with respect to currency markets. Central banks should pay attention to it.
As well they are, to wit: Europe’s central banks halt gold sales http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b9859c7e-c99b-11df-b3d6-00144feab49a.html
Over 100 comments in a Jane thread trashing the Democrats on health care, and not a single (that I saw, might’ve missed one or two) veal pen post beating up on Jane and/or FDL? Progress?
I’m telling you folks, the people, even the veal penned folks eventually, are going to figure out what a POS this thing is, and when they do it’s going to be only Jane and FDL left standing with credibility. And Jane and FDL will be able to use that credibility in the future. Don’t let the folks trying to squirm off the hook for owning this thing. All who supported it own it, and it’s consequences, including the deserved lack of credibility in the future.
MAKE. THEM. OWN. IT.
good work, Jane!
Hear, hear!
Try the new daily special: Donkey au poivre!
I sure would like to know the names of the “prominent health care economists”, besides the execrable Gruber.
If you’re going to quote or paraphrase others you need to give credit. To do otherwise is called plagerism.
Nah, even if most of the kossacks and the rest of the O-bots eventually reached the same conclusions about HCR and Obama they wouldn’t give Jane or FDL credit for having been right all along. People like that don’t admire others for being more perceptive than they are, they resent them for it.
Anyway, most of them will never make that intellectual leap, if they were capable it would have happened before now.
Better not chance it…wouldn’t be prudent. /s
Dana Carvey is in the house! :)
Are you accusing me of plagiarism?
I’m not a writer, but I assume that reputable blogers are:
Greenspan: “Fiat Money has No Place to Go But Gold … All Currencies are Moving Up or Down Together … Gold is the Canary In the Coal Mine”
Alan Greenspan told the Council of Foreign Relations last week:
Fiat money has no place to go but gold.
Greenspan also said that supply and demand explanations treating gold like other commodities “simply don’t pan out.”
Greenspan also spoke of how, during World War II, the Allies going into North Africa found gold was insisted on in the payment of bribes, and said:
If all currencies are moving up or down together, the question is: relative to what? Gold is the canary in the coal mine. It signals problems with respect to currency markets. Central banks should pay attention to it.
Plagiarist? http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/09/greenspan-fiat-money-has-no-place-to-go.html
duel citizen rahm
Now there’s a nice typo.
Sorry, David. You wet your bed, now lie in it.
There are consequences when someone who campaigned against special interests and on holding Wall Street accountable goes back on his word, and it doesn’t matter how loudly you browbeat some people into clapping.
I see. So you belong to a union do you? I may not be absolutely correct on these numbers, but the last I heard, less than 20% of the work force belongs to a union (since they’ve had so much fun busting unions lately). So that means you are going to walk out on a strike as a free agent? Where do you work? what’s your job? If your skills are anything like what I do, I’ll walk right in the door you are picketing in front of.
I need to buy groceries, and gas, and pay my rent, etc, etc… and of course subsidize my non-existent health care.
Best to let the shit hit the fan now so someone, anyone who is true progressive, will challenge Obama in the primaries. The problem Obama faces is called truth. We heard what he said to get elected, we’ve seen what he’s done.
Do progressive really believe in their hearts this guy deserves a second term?
As far as his team goes, even junior high kids know you are defined by the company you keep.
Moohoohaha!
Depends on what their long term goals are.
If they knocked over the worlds economic house of cards how long would it take them to recover?
How long would it take us? Would we ever?
It might be worth it to them to take us out.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at but I will answer your questions: No, I do not belong to a union. I am a freelance graphic designer and writer. I’ve worked for the same clients for nearly 20 years. I am beyond grateful to have a job right now and I know just how lucky I am. I’m the only one in my family of three adults who does have a job right now. We live in Oakland where there is higher than usual unemployment and the prospects of my husband or my son getting work are slim. However, if there were a general strike – ideally by the kinds of workers who keep the trains running and the lights on – I would join the strike. I don’t have any sort of contracts with my clients and I might very well lose one or all of them, but if my fellow workers were willing to finally throw off the chains and take that sort of action, I’d certainly be out there with them.
The other thing is that it doesn’t take a huge portion of the workforce going on strike to create major havoc. There’s still enough union membership in the right areas for it to be very effective, and I would hope that non-union workers would join in solidarity with anyone willing to participate.
Shorter Axelrod:
I thought I had all those paid speeches and corporate board positions sown up. Now if Dems lose everything in the November shit-storm, I’m going to look like an idiot, and no one is going to want to listen to me peddle my bullshit!
This is going to cost me some serious green!
The most likely answer is that progressives do not want O around another term and neither does anyone else.
You and me both! I almost fell off the chair. And still can’t stop laughing.
I want my vote back. Fuck ALL of the Democraps.
SWAT teams? How about the 1st Brigade of the Third Combat Division, specially trained in urban combat and crowd suppression in Iraq, now back home at its home base in Georgia, and specifically assigned to assist with urban disorder?
A round table discussion with guest Ian Smith, Massacio, Glenn Baker and a central guest like Roubini might wake people up that the media spin is reassuring that all is well as the stocks rise…except gold at $1,300.00 + says investors are on the sidelines waiting for Europe to slide pulled down by Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain. http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/09/doubts-about-eurobailouts-come-to-the-fore.html
Good for you, Carol. We need more people like you willing to take a stand. Hope employment prospects for the other two adults in your family take a turn for the better.
Jane
Great fookin’ post. I’m going to have sooo much fun posting this on a private writer’s blog that I belong to. (A blog which happens to be chock full of Obamabots and lesser-evil types.)
Thanks Victor. We’re doing great because I make enough to cover all the bills and (bonus!) we’ve already gotten our foreclosure/bankruptcy out of the way. None of us has health insurance, however so that anvil hangs very near. But we are so much luckier than many, many families. I honestly don’t know how people do it, and it’s not OK for American workers to keep doing it day in and day out until they just fucking fall down and die. Something has to give.
Bravo.
When has there been a major demonstration in North America in the last ten years that HASN’T brought out the SWAT teams, the FBI, Homeland Security, state troopers, and who knows who else.
x2
Ditto.
It is definitely a made up baloney.
The practical reason from way back then was gold did not corrode or otherwise corrupt and turn to rust.
Yes, the Dems treated health care as if markets provide it best.
When your neighbor buys a pair of shoes, you don’t automatically, magically get new shoes. Not unless you go buy your own pair.
When your neighbor sneezes, however, you are quite likely to catch his cold.
Microbes behave differently from shoes.
Yet the GOP and the Dems have dealt with health care as if it’s no more complicated than buying a pair of shoes.
Shameful stupidity to perpetuate a disastrous economic model that preys on health care issues. Just shameful.
Wow, it says something about where we’re at when you can describe a situation of bankruptcy/foreclosure and no health insurance as “great” in comparison to what other people face. Unbelievable, and unforgiveable.
And it does seem like we are heading back toward square 1 of the progressive era.
Even 40 years after the Cross of Gold speech, farmers still had much hatred of bankers and thier gold.
Unoffical theme song of the Farmers Holiday Association in the 1930′s(p 70):
There’s a basic truth in that little song. Our politicans, bankers and insurance companies do not actually produce a single thing. Production is left to the workers whom our elite seem hell bent on driving into serfdom.
I wonder how the elite would like it if they were denied food, shelter and healthcare from the workers who provide these necessities.
Who do you think buys gold? Besides end users, there are no normal people buying it. The market is a fringe of Taiwanese billionaires, Glenn Beck lovers, African dictators, drug smugglers and a bunch of crazy rich republicans who love Steve Forbes. Examine the costs of the carrying gold, and the buy-sell spread. You’ll lose interest quickly.
Right on the money.
They are each to blame, but I really put more on Pelosi. Committee meetings and hearings are designed to enlighten the public and bring them along. Pelosi just brought it out and never did any of the unlying support work.
therefore, public had no idea what was in it. Then, didn’t support it.
THEN, the public got blamed as ignorant for not supporting a bill they didn’t know anything about because Pelosi never did the spade work to see that they DID know what it was about.
I know, I was laughing as I typed that but it’s true. We did a strategic foreclosure; it was scary and stressful but nothing in comparison to people who’ve lost jobs and are forced out of their homes with no money and no place to go. On the healthcare front I don’t feel quite so lucky. I started reading about how to qualify for the high-risk pool here in California. I haven’t had insurance for more than a decade and haven’t even tried to obtain it in many years, so I guess I’d have to apply for private insurance and get turned down before I could even attempt to get into the high risk pool. On the bright side, I haven’t been to the doctor in about eight years so I must have any number of untreated, pre-existing conditions that I am not even aware of. *g*
It would have been much better for the American people for Axelrod to have made this an issue right when he knew what a mess they would have by the midterms (by the accounts I have read, this was as soon as he realized they would continue the Geithner policy of a massive bailout of the Wall St banksters.)
As it is now, it just looks like another rat trying to save it’s own ass.
Sure sounds like Axelrod is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He sold the hell out of that awful health care bill, and I don’t remember him voicing his complaints at the time that the bill was the product of backroom dealing with (primarily) the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, and the other special interests involved.
Axelrod may also be interested to know that there’s a big oval-shaped office with a desk in it, at which all the bucks stop.
But, Axe doesn’t sit at that desk.
me too. I admit I have a hard time understanding firedogs singleminded commitment to party issues when the party is so screwed up.
I’d point out that John Cole has posted a response on his site and appears baffled as to why he’s been identified as part of Journolist.
John Cole states that he has never been part of Journolist and had never read a single Journolist email until Tucker Carlson published what he had acquired.
The back-and-forth between writers on the left on the feasibility of passing a public option aside, I’d hope that you have some reason to believe that John Cole was actually a member of this mailing list.
So as of now, John Cole’s stating that something in this story, something directly implicating him, is flat wrong. As far as I can tell, it’s up to you to provide proof otherwise, since you’re the one making the accusation.
Are you using “Journolist” here as some sort of general pejorative for those in the party who attacked the left during the health care debate? If so, I’d suggest that, considering the very real dust-up over that specific list, you and everyone else refrain from doing so.
John Cole is righteously complaining that he was never on Journolist, and he is probably telling the truth. I hope you just left out a comma, or perhaps a comma and a few words.
“misogynistic” ?
I’ve been reading John Cole’s blog for about 6 years now, and I do so because I find him to be fair-minded. He may sometimes be cranky and have a very low tolerance for BS, but I’ve never perceived him to be a misogynist, racist, etc. Can you cite a specific instance of him making misogynistic comments on his blog?
Jacob Hacker thinks the PO could have passed using the budget.
In this case Democrats were fortunate to have something even better than a Poll. Actual Election results of Sen. Ted Kennedy after the bait and switch was announced. Still they ignored it.
If Gov. Dean had the best one-liner on this bill Kill the Bill, Keith had the best 30 min summary on the sad state bill shaped out to be.
Our Policy makers need to know Truth always Prevails irrespective of what ever MSM might say at the moment. Prominent example is Fake WMD in Iraq in recent memory.
HCR bill was a good bill with Public Option to start with. It was Presidents election platform on which he got elected. Majority of the Democratic Senators (50 plus out of 59) knew it will guarantee their re-elections for all the time they wish to stand for elections and were for it. Once it was dropped and Mandates were seen it has become borrowing your line Jane, a albatross around Democrats necks and resurgence in Republican popularity. Democrats should consider themselves lucky if the courts drop those mandates before Republicans do.
Exactly.
Exactly.
From what I understand, Axelrod was pushing to have Rahm as CoS. Because Rahm was supposedly some type of uber triple threat. Some genius of strategy, tactics and policy.
Which is laughable, considering the results of Rahm’s “leadership” back in the 90′s and today.
He may be a good tactician. But he blows at strategy. And his policy always benefits the very interests that are ripping, and pissing, everybody off. So his policy is always going to be inherently unpopular with swing/independent voters.
Fortunately for his career, DC pols are impressed by incessant self-promotion and profanity-laden rants.
And Axelrod advocacted for this guy to be CoS.
No, I didn’t think for a moment John Cole was a member of JournoList.
Even they had their standards, and anyone still banging on about the need for “60 votes” who didn’t notice that the health care reconciliation bill passed the Senate 56 to 43 wouldn’t meet them.
I’m going to name a star after Jane.
A bright star. :-)
Yeah, I was a little curious about the “misogynistic” bit, too. Hopefully there’s a fact to back this up, and it’s not just “anyone who attacks a woman is a misogynist” (because if that bit of logical fallacy is true, then by definition all of us who aren’t pleased with Obama’s performance are racists…)
I respect Jane enough, however, that I’m assuming that there’s context to that line.
Original post: But but but Mr. Axelrod, I thought the health care bill was the most game-changing, curve-bending, and above all, popular piece of legislation ever written!
Now you’re telling us that it’s un-POPULAR with some groups? But that would mean… that would mean… YOU FIBBED!
The humanity…
Perhaps Obama over Clinton in the primaries makes Cole a misogynist in Hasmsher’s book. Or maybe she just throws that steaming turd out there randomly at passersby, like a frustrated bonobo. Pretty low of her in either case.
Jane, and FDL in general, were neutral in the 08 primaries. Not clear why you have decided otherwise, or that we somehow criticize people based on where they stood back then.