I still can’t quite wrap my head around the fact that Obama thought it was a good idea, in midst of 9.6% unemployment, and on the day after the census bureau announces that 1 in 7 Americans are living in poverty, to show up at the gated Connecticut mansion of a guy named Rich Richman and tell a privileged few at a private $30,000 a plate fundraiser that people who see their glass “half empty” are pessimists and that the health care bill represents “the most productive, progressive legislative session in at least a generation.”
The people in Connecticut who couldn’t afford $30,000 to attend an event that raised $1 million for the DNC might not see it that way:
Sept. 19–Connecticut regulators in recent days approved increases of more than 20 percent on some health plans starting Oct. 1, including a series of rates requested by Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield, by far the largest health insurer in the state….The higher prices, however, are a glimpse of what may be in store later this year when insurers propose new rates for 2011.
The major difference between rising prices this year and years past is the cost of new benefits added to health plans starting Thursday as mandated by the sweeping reform approved by Congress in March.
Insurers say the cost of new benefits will increase prices more than 20 percent for certain plans.
When Obama was selling his health care plan to the public on June 22, 2010, he said that the changes mandated by the health care bill this year meant that people would be seeing benefits immediately:
[S]tarting in September, some of the worst abuses will be banned forever. No more discriminating against children with preexisting conditions. No more retroactively dropping somebody’s policy when they get sick if they made an unintentional mistake on an application. No more lifetime limits or restrictive annual limits on coverage. Those days are over.
He also said “we’ve got to make sure that this new law is not being used as an excuse to simply drive up costs.”
But that’s exactly what’s happening in Connecticut.
Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, the largest insurer in Connecticut, has already requested and received increases on individual market plans to cover the cost of new benefits mandated by the health care bill that start this year:
- 4.8% increase related to the mandate about pre-existing conditions for children
- up to 8.5% increases for mandated preventive care with no deductibles
- Removal of annual spending caps: “The Departments estimate that the transfer would be three-quarters of a percent or less for lifetime limits and one-tenth of a percent or less for annual limits, under a situation of pure community rating where all the costs get spread across the insured population.”
- Mandates for preventive care: “There will likely be negligible transfers due to this provision given no changes in coverage or cost-sharing.”
- Coverage for children with preexisting conditions: “Even in States with community rating, the cost and transfer effects will be relatively small, at most a few tenths of a percent over the next few years.”
But Connecticut isn’t the only place this is happening. As the Wall Street Journal reported last week, the health care bill is being used as an excuse by insurance companies to jack up rates all across the country.
It’s clear that the rate increases are far in excess of what these reform provisions actually cost. And there is nothing in the health care bill that stops them from doing so. In a free market, other insurance companies would be able to enter the market and provide a better product at a lower price. But health insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust regulation, and can legally operate as monopolies and engage in monopolistic practices. The health care bill did nothing to stop that.
That’s why the people Obama now mocks wanted a public option. If the government is going to assign its right to collect taxes to private companies (which is what they did when they passed the mandate), and allow the IRS to be used as an enforcement mechanism, people wanted to feel like there was an alternative. Faced with looming rate increases far in excess of anything they were told when the bill was being sold to them, in the wake of rising economic insecurity and high unemployment, people are justifiably anxious.
Single mother Susie Madrack explains why people like her found Obama’s comments upsetting:
[T]hose of us left living on a wing and prayer thanks to your “half full,” half-assed economic policies just don’t have a sense of humor about our continuing plight. I know it’s been a long time since your mom got food stamps, but you might want to give that empathy thing some thought.”
The usual suspects are cheering Obama’s comments, including the American Prospect, who call them “justified mockery.” But those who enjoy a ”subsidized existence vomiting up flabby consensus received opinions within the federal zone” (h/t Who is IOZ) generally aren’t the working class single moms who have to worry about things like rising health insurance premiums. So it’s no surprise they wouldn’t understand why someone might feel their glass is “half empty” these days.
Update: The health care bill is also being used by Anthem, Aetna and other insurance companies to raise rates in Colorado (h/t dakine)




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Well done, Jane!
Jane, Polls show the very people you’re standing up for still approve of Obama, and history shows they will vote overwhelmingly to reelect the same Democratic Incumbents who repeatedly shaft them – because the alternative is so scary. I appreciate your effort, but I don’t know how you muster the energy.
Thanks for spreading the word about this.
You’re right. There’s no market there. The insurance companies are just extraction instruments for the wealthy elite in their quest to transfer middle class wealth upwards. I’m still for stopping our fooling around with the private insurance companies and getting them out of the business of insuring anything except perhaps boutique health care, by passing HR 676, Medicare for All.
I just watched the clip again (I’d originally seen it live.) And I wanted to congratulate you on how you went after Armstrong. That’s really terrific!
Also there’s a typo in the spelling of “Greenwich” above. It’s now “Greenwitch.”
Thanks, Jane, for all you do. It is appreciated. Just wanted to say that I got notice that my deductible for presecription meds is going up for the plan I have in CA.
Keep shining the light.
Guess I’m going to have to go back to my old standby: Ds, too dumb to live. Geez, even in advance of the midterms, O can’t get a grip on his contempt for the base.
No sarcasm intended, but life in general is a lot scarier economically than it’s been in a very long time. People may not be so quick to support the Democrats who continue to make life more difficult for them. I think Republicans are going to get some mileage out of vowing to repeal Obamacare, for one thing. Of course, the people who vote for them are going to find out quite quickly that there’s no help from that quarter, but that’s an issue for another election year. I truly wonder how the Democrats think they will get away with cutting Social Security. Do they really think people will forget that by 2012?
I myself am writing in “Public Option” at the polls this year.
Jane, thanks for the valuable information. I like to have ammunition to fight with in my discussions with the gullible.
Lots of good ideas for write-ins this year.
Nice of you to point out that what we were fighting to get along with Micheal Moore and his European health care models, was dealt away to Big Insurance. Families are paying $12,000.00 a year and share of cost on claims while losing income and household value. The predicted rip off needs to be aired as you did. What about the loss of this disposable income to the economy…has that been evaluated? See Paul Krugman’s “The Angry Rich” today NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/opinion/20krugman.html?hp Excellent work getting it on MSN thanks!
Denver Post today had a similar article about insurers raising rates in Colorado.
It’s a good way to check if your vote is counted. If your unique write-in vote doesn’t appear in the final tally, you know for sure it wasn’t.
A pity they don’t make economic conservatives like they used to.
Public regulation of private monopoly would seem to be, at best, an anomalous arrangement, tolerable only as a temporary expedient… We may endure regulation for a time, on the dubious assumption that governments are more nearly competent to regulate than to operate.
In general, however, the state should face the necessity of actually taking over, owning, and managing directly, both the railroads and the utilities, and all other industries in which it is impossible to maintain effectively competitive conditions.
Henry C. Simons, A Positive Program for Laissez Faire (1934)
Rate increases across the country Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703720004575478200948908976.html Sept 7 2010
Thanks for getting in the face of Williams who shamelessly promoted establishment politics and the crap policies this politics produces.
It’s always worth recalling Lewis Lampham’s 1993 article, “Versailles on the Potomac”:
If the Obama administration indicates anything, it’s the utter loss of shame by those who pretend to represent the people of this country but who only want to make their fortune.
Unwise?
Maliciously and callously stupid.
Nov. 2nd? Bring it on. Let’s get the process of firing him cranked up now.
That’s the first time I’ve read that. Awesome.
Thanks. I put that up as an update.
Give ‘em hell, Jane! That video made my day.
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Most of the rich people I know are not rich enough for a $30K a plate fundraiser. The one that is is Republican.
Obama is known to gear his message according to those in attendance.
These attendees had to be lobbyists.
Thanks for the Lapham quote. Have read his essays religiously for decades. He has a gift for painting stark contrasts with brilliance.
Also, um — Armstrong Williams?
When does Jane get to go on Faux and opine about the Teabaggers destroying the GOP?
My current choice to write in is:
Protect Social Security
The most special moment came when he compared Glenn Beck at his rally to Martin Luther King.
No, really.
My pleasure.
The insurance companies obviously feel they can pretty much do as they wish, regardless of the law.
And apparently, they are correct.
The “health care reform” scam alone is enough reason to not vote Dem anymore.
But there are hundreds of more reasons, too.
The funny thing is if he ever makes the speech calling the unemployed and the uninsured stupid lazy n*****s the right will still be calling him a socialist, Nazi, Muslim and be praying for his death, and then he will try to appease them some more.
20% increase in premiums?
And I’m sure the benefits and coverage have improved proportionally, right?
Who could’ve predicted?
The same thing’s happening in California. All those sky-high rate increases that people were so appalled at last winter? All being approved now.
I wondered too about the host Richie Richman. What, Scrooge McDuck wasn’t available, and Daddy Warbucks was on vacation?
Thanks again, Jane.
My 16 year old came up with a new name….Gen Bleck. I hadn’t heard that before. Pretty clever kid. Cutting his adolescent political teeth at Firedoglake, apparently.
No complaining when the Republics take over.
Does Obama sincerely try to appease the rightwingers? Or does he pursue his rightwing agenda while using the GOP and the reactionary nut jobs to present himself to the public as a statesman, a consensus builder, a centrist and a friend of the people?
And now that Bush III has solved the healthcare issue, maybe he can do something about major stuff – like MattY’s sidewalk dilemna.
Jane, on almost every single issue Pres. Obama ran on he cow-towed to a Republican minority that was never going to vote for any of the damn bills anyway. He made major concessions to them, met with them, and served us up like so much after-thought.
Nothing he has passed, or at least almost nothing, are viable and the neocons now have some great talking points. And why would Republicans want to go after a bill, any of them, that actually favor the rich?
Obama is wrong in Afghanistan. He will be unable to fight a war there with a losing strategy which includes a corrupt governance. Moreover, we still have 50,000 non-combat combat troops in Iraq!
Obama is AWOL on DADT he ran on while he has kicked over 400 people out of the military, some outed as badly as Valerie Plame. Under the UCMJ, the same section which they use against those with same sex preference, it is equally a crime to have oral sex with your wife, or husband. Now I would hope that Everyone in the military would qualify for dismissal on those grounds! Turn them in!
Obama has moved so far right I don’t recognize him and he has done little for me, a person who worked long and hard for him in NH after Clinton lost!
It is almost as if he really wants to lose. I have never seen a winning party have so much they could have done but didn’t because a weak president sat back and tried to make deals with people he should not be dealing with except to charge them with war crimes.
Amazing video. Jane, you ROCK!
I grew up hearing that ‘insurance companies’ have the most assets, the most dollar-wealth, that they’re far wealthier than banks of any kind. Like, it’s their money that ‘finances’ pretty much everything on the planet. Eventually (but not soon enough) they will be removed from the medical/health care ‘paradigm’, so they’re taking what they can upfront now. The heartless put it this way: Who should get hurt right now, millions of poor people here or billions of people everywhere? Oh, and Bill Cosby says that his grandmother said when her glass was half-empty it meant she was drunk.
The Republicans took over a long time ago. Obama is just the current leader of one faction of the GOP. It just happens that Obama’s faction is known as the Democratic Party.
$30K a plate? Shit, my wife and I combined make less than $40K a year. I’m 62 and retired and she works full-time as a cashier at Walmart.
The more I see of this administration, the more the lines between Left and Right are blurred as far as real results go. They may start out poles apart ideologically, but they wind up at the same place where the money and power is centered. As the late Gov. Wallace was fond of saying during his presidential run, “There ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between ‘em.”
As they chop benefits, raising the age of retirement, etc., they’ll tell you that’s exactly what they are doing. You might want to find another phrasing for that, like “Hands off Social Security.”
You know, I’m sure, that that is not really true. Republics, however, are the only ones that benefit from that thinking.
Sorry, I didn’t watch the video. Watching MSM sound bites is boring
and serves little purpose. I didn’t vote for Obama, however, it is
time for “?progressives?” to quit blaming Obama and the Democrats. You
know what they are now. No excuses to keep these silly debates and comments about how lame the Democrats are. After seeing the Gulf response,
everyone should be well aware who our government is now.
C’mon Jane, compared to what the WH and Congress do on a daily basis to enrich corporate America, it’s not much of a stretch to see that for them the health care bill is actually a tangible example of their definition of “progressive” legislation in action.
I find it ominous ( or batshit fucking crazy ) that a GoP hack is defending Obama. I guess that tells you who he was out to please. Loved the pirate/ninja ( depending on preference ) take down when he slipped re. the special interests.
I’m not sure clueless cuts it as an excuse anymore…$30k a plate and whining about the unwashed masses…I get the distinct impression he truly thinks he knows better. I mean, i keep waiting for the whole “let them eat cake” tack.
bleh.
Jane, you did a terrific job of making the important points and not allowing Armstrong to deny them. :-)
Right now, no one who didn’t have it before is getting affordable health insurance or health care. Those who might have health insurance or who must pay for health care are going to pay more for it. Insurance corporations are going to make higher profits in the run up to 2014 as are health care providers and then they are both going to make staggering profits as the jacked up premiums will have to be paid by most everyone with no competition to balance it off.
Obama laughing at those who can’t afford this legislated thievery and impoverishment is an expression of the “let them eat cake” class-war ideology. Obama is not working for us; he’s working for those in his own economic group, the wealthy.
Good for you, Jane.
I was called “petulant” on another blog for expressing the opinion that ACA is a half loaf of bull because the PO was escorted out of the room at the beginning of negotiations.
(Apparently that person doesn’t pay over $600 a month OOP for insurance for THEIR family of three, like I now do.)
I predict enough Republicans will win to “repeal” HC”R” and they will succeed in gutting it, and Americans will cheer. Some for all the wrong reasons, many more for the right ones.
yes
I’ve been warning folks about this for months. Their eyes would glaze over. Now, the chickens are coming home to roost. Will people wise-up at last?
So, we were lied to and if we call the administration out on their lies we’re being “whining, unpatriotic” fringe liberals? Gee, where have I heard this before? I most assuredly DO NOT agree with the Tea Baggers and their method/message. But, I can sure see where their anger comes from.
Yes, but what Wallace should have said is: “There ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between us.”
Damn straight. Individual Mandate? Not Without a Public Option You Don’t
Your candor in that TV segment was perfect. Your thoroughly dumfounded astonishment, at just how brazen and indefensible the Democratic Party has become, was palpable. Sort of a, “Don’t tell me why I’m mad at these people, I worked hard as hell to help them succeed at what they said they wanted to do, and then they threw the damn fight! The left is pissed, and rightfully so, because we’ve been sandbagged by the Democrats at every possible step.”
The very last word you got in, “He did try to satisfy the special interests. He did try. That’s why people are upset.”
That was effing golden!
“The left is pissed, and rightfully so, because we’ve been sandbagged by the Democrats at every possible step.”
!!
No, really. It is true. Politics isn’t a sporting match.
Fucking A, Jane. Way to go. Obama DID try to satisfy all the special interests and, for the most part, succeeded admirably. And Armstrong “No Millionaire Left Behind” Williams walked right into it. Why is he still even on TV?
Rich Richman? Was that really the mansion owner’s name? Sounds like something too over the top for even the Onion.
I for one am glad he’s on TV, because he set that one up to be hit out of the park.
Would we be able to tell the difference? The Democrats have presided over the outsourcing of my job, the skyrocketing cost of my health insurance, and now they’re after my social security.
Actually, I believe it to be literally true insofar as both parties inhabit a center-right political space. As Clinton exclaimed, and I’m quoting from memory: “we’re all Eisenhower Republicans here…” and “…we’re Eisenhower Republicans fighting Reagan Republicans….” Nothing has changed since that time.
You nailed it Jane! You are getting really good at this TV gig.
One would hope that you might know the difference between a GOD made disaster that you knew was going to happen a week before it did, and a man-made one caused by pure greed that leaked 200 million gallons of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. One might also want to consider that a nuclear US sub could not even get close to the actual well site as it was far too deep.
Moreover, It was your buddy GWB in June 2008 lifted the ban on deep-water drilling. Aren’t you the same ilk who try and blame Democrats for Bush’s bailout of the banks? Well, that should come to no surprise to anyone he did when you consider he paid $2.3 TRILLION of our money to bailout the Savings and Loan fiasco that many in his family, including Jeb, were directly involved with.
There is a BIG difference between a Democrat and a Republican but quite frankly they would probably censor it if I told you. And who cares, your ilk would not understand if I did!
Write-in votes other than for those who have filed for a write-in line on the ballot are disregarded. Period.
Is Obama paying Armtrong Williams? Just sayin!
Speaking for myself, what astonishes me about Obama’s speech wasn’t the content per se, it’s the fact that he made those claims public.
Obama’s speech was as tone deaf as Bush’s infamous 2004 White House Correspondent’s speech. Both expressed only contempt for those who will suffer their bad to criminal policies.
Is that true in every state?
Yes to both?
stunning!
That’s all the result of many years of Republic rule and now Republic obstructions. They had total power for 6 year and the House/Senate for even longer. Plus, Decider Bush broke even more things as he always has done. (Bush Sr. didn’t step in to fix his mess this time.) How is it all the Democrats fault? How can the years of Republic rule be ignored?
Yep!
Armstrong Williams, the flack who got caught being paid to write favourable articles for the Rethugs? Gimme a fuckin’ break.
Now, after trashing his base he turns to the Tea Party for ideas.
Hey, big O – we have some ideas, ask us, challenge us!
basebasehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/20/obama-to-tea-party-identi_n_731770.html
I don’t know but that’s the way it is in FL. If a person doesn’t get the required signatures or doesn’t pay the filing fee but originally filed to run gets a blank line on the ballot for that office. One blank line per office, no matter how many qualify.
Armstrong Williams tells us everything we need to know about Obama, see right wing republicans know other right wing republicans, Armstrong is just defending one of his own.
The biggest joke of today, is the new elite, white house, democratic strategy, just tell all americans the recession ended in June 2009. There is one big problem, when is the depression going to end?
1 in 7 now live in poverty in the USA.
What progressives need to look at closely, is how scared the GOP elite, Obama who is a GOP operative, Dems in the Senate who are GOP operatives, fear the Tea Party.
The Tea Party is not a corporate party, like the current Dems and Republicans, and this makes everyone in DC nervous.
The Tea Party however is a creation of corporate parties, and they need to reap what they have sown!
Can you say Audit the FEDERAL RESERVE, these tea party types may force the DC elite to open up Pandora’s Box.
The idea that the healthcare reform bill is causing rate increases is just factually wrong. Take a look at this report (back in 2007 way before any reform was even thought possible):
According to a study published in the journal Health Affairs in 2007, premiums paid by employees for small group coverage (2-50 employees) in California increased 53% between 2003 and 2006, from $250 to $382 per month, and premiums for individual coverage rose 23% between 2002 and 2006, from $211 to $259 per month. In 2006, a single person age 32–52 earning the median income who purchased individual insurance spent, on average, 16% of income on premiums and out-of-pocket medical expenses.
Whilst the reform bill didnt meet a lot of expectations, its a start. We need to keep working on reform, and supporting the politicians who are looking to do the same. Why spend all this energy dissing the one party that is even remotely interested in moving forward with ideas to help the 95% of the population personally affected by out of control healthcare costs.
Please, just a bit of perspective here. If you are in the middle of a conflagration, you do not fire the firefighters because they are not pouring enough water on it. You get in line with more buckets and start helping out.
It is in Woodward’s book and Clinton was being sarcastic.
In presidential elections, New Jersey has no form or procedure to qualify to be a write-in candidate for President. Any voter can write-in a candidate’s name. Write-in votes will only be tabulated if there are enough of them to contest the election.
Also, the League of Women Voters of NJ states “In any election you may “write in” your own choice for a particular office. Instructions for how to “write in” a candidate are included on your sample ballot. Or you may request instructions for how to “write in” a candidate from poll workers.”
Yes, he was being sarcastic about the quality of his politics.
Hilarious , a republican defending the president and a progressive calling him out on the matt for it .
The fact is that the CBO said unequivocally that the stronger the public option the lower the cost to the American people .Also ,the bill that passed was very unpopular but the one that wasn’t had , as Harry Reid put it , broad popular support is also revealing .
Single payer has had support in poll after poll for several years support among the public at rates approaching 70 %.
Just who is it the democrats are representing in congress ?
Hey that’s a rhetorical question .
Superb sally.
Well, let’s see, who instituted the Cat Food Commission? Who appointed the egregious Alan Simpson as co-chair? Answer: it was a Democrat. The insurance companies are using Obamacare provisions as a reason for raising premiums–the fact that they would have raised them anyway is moot. They now have ammunition, they can point to ACA and say but we have to raise costs to comply with these provisions.
I like to see you give them heck Jane. You are great at it, have a natural presence and are well spoken.
You can make your points with people like Dr. Maddow (I have seen you) and many people WITH an education. Just think what you could do with the likes of Sean Hannity (dropped out of New York University and Adelphi University), 15 year active drug addict and high school graduate Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh (a Southeast Missouri State University drop-out after two semesters). You could cut your eye-teeth on them!
You are kidding right?
Did you pay $30,000.00 to eat with Obama, you can tell us.
You must have miss some of the Jokes Obama and the Dems in congress told progressives during the Health Care Debate.
First Joke Obama is for the Public Option. Obama laughed at this one!
Progressives ended up getting laughed at by everyone in DC.
(Obama hated the idea of a Public Option)
Second Joke Obama is for drug importation. Obama laughed at this one!
Progressived ended up getting laughed at by everyone in DC again!
(Obama killed the idea of Drug Importation)
Third Joke Obama is not going to tax Union Health Care Plans. Obama laughed at this one!
Unions health care plans will be tax.
See there is pattern here, Progressives are always getting piss on, and laughed at by the current Dems in congress, who are really right wing republicans.
Coming this fall
Obama says I am not going to cut social security! Obama will again laugh!
and yes Obama will cut social security.
and guess who will not be laughing?
‘People’. That’s right. And to think that Obama scoffed at the Citizens United decision.
Well the health insurers aren’t wasting any time raising rates. I guess their attitude is like whatChurchill said of the US after Pearl Harbor, “now that she’s in the harem, we talk to her quite differently”.
However, Newt Gingrich said something in May that bear repeating:
Gingrich.. argued the federal law has been intentionally designed to encourage businesses to drop health care for their employees, incurring a new fine in the law for not offering insurance. Employees will then enter new individual health exchanges, Gingrich argued, but find them so expensive that they will clamor for a nationalized health care system.
I think Gingrich is confusing intention with incompetence, but that’s probably how its going to shake out. When corporate America decides to kick health insurers out of the club, that’s when we’ll get Medicare for All and President Palin will happily sign the bill.
Are you being serious about Jane confronting those Republicans you list?
Whatever for should she do that?
O’bama not only tried to satisfy the special interests, he succeeded, as measured by their stock prices.
Untrue. I just was on the phone with Margaret Dunne, the Assistant to Orange County (FL) Supervisor of Elections Bill Cowles, who told me that after the election for every office all of the write in names are compiled, first in a group termed “other” (i.e. other than the two branches of the republicrat party) and that within a week a spreadsheet is prepared listing all of the “other” names. She told me that if, say, 5000 names were written-in in Orlando alone for the candidate “public option” that it would certainly be newsworthy and the press would certainly find out. Then it is a simple matter to contact all of the counties to determine how many people in the state voted that way. So, no, your vote won’t disappear into thin air if you write in “public option”, at least not in Florida.
Why are Obamabots so transparent?
First, please allow me to be shallow, apologize for it, and get this off of my chest -
“Whilst”? Are you freaking kidding me? “Whilst”?
As to the actual content of your comment, you are an Obamapologist. I hope that you seek the help you need for this condition.
Please, just a bit of perspective here. If you are in the middle of a conflagration, you do not fire the firefighters because they are not pouring enough water on it. You get in line with more buckets and start helping out.
Ahh, and what time would be appropriate to denounce the firefighters for taking bribes from arsonists, or to deal with the persistent rumor that Mayor Baucus hired a pyromaniac as his fire chief?
The bill doesn’t even start up the damn insurance exchanges until January 2014, that’s kind of long time. Lyndon Johnson stood up Medicare from scratch to cover every senior within 11 months (and that was before the personal computer, hell it practically before the office computer). From the time Obama signed the HCR bills to when it offers universal coverage (allegedly) is two month shy of 4 years. So should we hold our fire “for the duration”?
To use another aphorism, when you are in a hole you stop digging, and I am not interested in helping Obamarahma and his pals in the health inusrance mafia bury me any deeper. The dog of a bill they passed made things WORSE for me: not only will I not be able to afford health insurance, they have the IRS break my legs.
…and the horses they rode in on.
Because like Nanci Griffith said, They are “One blade shy of a sharp edge”! They are commentators and they do not know how to check their lies… err, non-facts that some buy hook line and sinker! I was amazed that Glenn Beck on the View admitted to Barbara Walters he didn’t checked his “facts”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csTS7fk01iI
Great exchange in this video, Jane. I would call it a TKO.
Yes, you can call the Supervisor of Elections and they will provide you with a spreadsheet but the state’s official results listing will only show “Others” collectively. I didn’t say they wouldn’t be counted, I said disregarded.
I saw your man Michael Liebowitz on DangerousMinds.net about his latest book. I’ve ordered Beyond Capital to see what he has to say. His responses to some questions about Alternative Socialism were quite vague, particularly where large populations were concerned. His ideas re small populations are very similar to what the anarchists did during the Spanish Revolution, or Civil War, depending upon your pov.
What’s so hard to grasp? For a $30K donation you get to hear the truth (and probably get to eat unpoisoned food).
Base? Base? The truth is that your vote means shit. Hillary got the votes, but Barry won the ‘caucuses’. What would you rather see televised, the revolution or Jane Hamsher?
Or, Busisness will fight to keep the private healthcare and pass on more of the costs to the workers. Business will also ask for more susidies from the government. Then the President will say the people will have to sacrifice and spending on other programs will be cut to pay for the subsidies. Then we become a third world country.
Oh, and don’t forget business will ask for another tax cut and the president will agree.
I respect those on the far left and even some on the far, far right. They want real peace, real envionmental legislation, real national health insurance, real tax cuts and real economic democracy. You know where they are coming from and they dont pull any punches. What you see is what you get..and sometimes their dreaming becomes a reality, but in reality, not often. I supported Kennedy, and voted for McGovern (McGovern only won Mass and D.C.). A true Liberal McGovern was…and he lost in a landslide. Both he (and me) were dreamers at the time. Health insurance has always been a big issue. Even Nixon supported it, in principal. Over 60 years of wanting it to happen. With no real chance of it ever happening. However, some form of it did pass this year (a miracle, trust me) and like the fall of the Berlin Wall, many of us older Dems could not believe it really happened. And now some say it just was not good enough and they are not happy with the health care reform act. The health care reform act barely passed and had little or no Republican support. There is no way a public option would have passed. No way…not then, not now and certainly not next year. But hey, keep dreaming, because sometimes, dreams really do come true.
What is your point. Everybody should give up? There is no chance for “real” legislation?
Way to go, Jane!
just came in from a visit to a walk-in clinic at a big healthcare outfit in Sacramento. Cooling my heels for an hour and a half in the examining room I had time to study the large poster describing 17, count em, 17 lofty goals of their wonderful institution.
Zero, count em, ZeRo mention of anything alluding to cost effectiveness.
I need to go back and take a photo.
Bears repeating:
“Would we be able to tell the difference? The Democrats have presided over the outsourcing of my job, the skyrocketing cost of my health insurance, and now they’re after my social security.”
What do we tell the children?
Do the states ever ask their actuaries what is going on with these rate increases – it seems it must be all political.
Many of the largest Group Health policies have no pre-existing clauses so the cost is known – and the forced taking of insurance – the mandate – and the extra income from the extra insureds from that mandate – more or less covers the cost of the pre-existing condition clause being missing.
These rate increases should be more on the order of the rate increase approved for Mass – which was rolled back from the original request for lack of actuarial justification. The actual increase is now in court as the ins companies say it is forcing them to lose money – but that is a lie (you must exclude the interest earned on surplus and reserves in order to get to that result – and even then it is difficult). Mass regulation of rate increases is very weak (no health care cost control or standard procedure cost control or required approval before new un-necessary wiz-kid diagnostic toy is purchased), but at least it exists in a limited way for insurance – sometimes!
There is no cost control in the HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL – but gouging for greater profit – while expected – should not be blamed on the health reform. Private ownership of care facilities has been a way to great wealth for more than many – so it is not just the insurers fault.
Maybe this will be the straw that forces cost control by regulation ?? – but I expect the more likely result is a nation that increases its payout for health from 17% to 25% – destroying the economy – while it pretends to “solve the problem” by repealing the HCR bill. With other nations running at 11% of GDP, either our export markets are dead if our folks must cover a 25% of GDP cost, or we will need to adjust to a standard of living that is half of what we have now as US wages drop – directly per person or through inflation or through unemployment.
Same here. Definitely a TKO.
Jane, that last part about Obama trying to satisfy all of the special interests, and that’s why people are so upset… was a home-run!
That’s not what I heard. He called them out several times. Be progressive, but it doesn’t help our side to lie.
Just watched the clip– that was hilarious. I think Jane broke Armstrong Williams’s brain a couple of times. He was absolutely dumbfounded by Jane’s assertion nobody wanted Obamacare but Obama.
I guess we forgot that for half of the country (well, even more if we include Obamanauts), whatever Obama does is by definition the most liberal possible thing any President could do in any situation and not even fictional presidents in Aaron Sorkin dramas would dare go further left.
Can’t wait to see this on a bumper sticker in 2012: “He did try. He did.” :o)
Your questions seemed to me to imply a non-exclusive “or” in which case, either one or both can be true and the “or” statement will be true. :-)
A tko and a home run only helps if there’s a change in policy. For me anyway. I’m not trying to take away you being excited. But, let’s look for real results that positively affect people’s lives. I was in the HS band. Not a cheer leader.
I heard an interview on the radio with Kathleen Sebelius where the reporters raised this issue of premiums going up as much as 20% due to the added benefits. Kathleen said state insurance regulators were supposed to try and fight these back. That will work well in states like Florida and Virginia that have filed suit to repeal the legislation.
Imagine running for re-election bragging about swell health care reform only to have all of your voters premiums get way more expensive 5 weeks before the election blaming it on the new health care reform.
“Obamarahma and his pals in the health insurance mafia”
May be more truth in that than most will speak of. Where does all organized crime’s money go if not into corporations?
One easy approach might be for all reasoning voters (both parties) vote against EVERY Incumbent.
You’ve yet to answer.
Yes we need a NEW Left Party with HR676 as their battle cry and no one is allowed on board who is centrist or right.
As Jon Walker (and others) wrote at the time, the State Insurance Commissioners are all ex-insurance industry people (John Garamandi, ex-Insurance Commissioner of CA, said the same thing). It’s like giving the fox the job of guarding the hen house. Counting on them to say “no” to the insurance companies was a ludicrously inadequate safeguard against rate hikes.
Oh, I agree. Sending State Insurance Commissioners up against AHIP is like Bambi vs Godzilla. Especially so when Bambi is a secret Godzilla sympathizer.
The health insurance companies must be destroyed. They cause death and create poverty and serve no legitimate purpose whatsoever. Now Obama has institutionalized their extortion racket and the government will force us to pay whether we want their fraudulent product or not. Obama’s serf care is just another disaster for non-billionaire Americans. He should apologize and resign.
Bravo! Those five sentences sum the situation up perfectly.
Wonder how Kucinich feels about his vote now?
Thank you, Jane.
Dear Jane,
I am a CT resident and want to thank-you for pointing this matter out. It’s too bad that the politicos do not campaign in the 169 towns in CT but rather resort to small group gatherings.
At the same time, Jane, it also must be noted that state and local politicians also are more prone to gather at small gatherings of say 20-30 people in any given neighborhood these days rather than go door-to-door or stand at a nearby shopping center.
I have seen very few town halls as well.
You would think Attorney General Richard Blumenthal would be out campaigning harder for this U.S. Senate seat but so far he has not come through my town where the Democratic Party have a 4-1 lead in voter registration over the Republican Party.
It is well known in CT that Blumenthal only wants to run in political races where he knows it’s “safe” to run and win.
So far, despite the mega-millions of Linda McMahon, I’d have to say that Blumenthal is not out campaigning and canvassing with those “regular folks” he needs to win and unfortunately, his challenger seems to be connecting with those old-time Democrats.
The National Democratic Party still does not get it.
Yes! Right on.
Thanks reddflagg – nycterrierist.
I think the crowning achievement of cynicism and contempt toward the base belongs to Gibbs:
How frickin’ tone deaf do you have to be to reduce reasonable criticism of America’s military policies to the desire to rid the country of the Pentagon? And then to brazenly admit that the administration considers single payer healthcare a supreme joke? This administration doesn’t deserve political support.
Watched about 20 seconds of the Obama repents themed town hall scripted photo op thingy. cant stomach any more than that at once. If theres anything more repulsive than Obama talking down to voters face to face, its Obama listening down to them face to face. If that dosent make any sense just check out some tape from that meeting, watch him take a “deeply dissapointed” question, then observe the not at all diguised sneering contempt on his face, and in his body language. We dont have anything to say to the anointed one that he wasnt born knowing, apparently. Except maybe “SEE YA!” in 2012.
Thank you Jane.
We needed a logical reason why Public Option present in the campaign and during its passage through Congress and most of the time in senate versions dropped right before the Christmas.
If they wanted to go free-market way why the anti-trust exemption was not revoked and the insurance companies broken up into multiple pieces ensuring at-least 10 companies competing in a specific market place.
Price collusion and Price increases with Mandates on it was the only goal of the duo-poly and monopoly companies and lobbyists made sure they got it. Now we get illogical mockery for asking to do the right thing and to help us to balance our budgets. I am hoping our courts remove this unconstitutional mandate for private companies which is against the free spirit of our constitution or else Republicans will do it which is even worse for Democrats and they get lot of good will from the people.
A person on the minimum wage gets the following amount which is true for most of the America if they are lucky to get a job right now.
$7.25/hour * 40 hours/week * 52 weeks/year = $15,080 per year before taxes and with no vacation or sick time off taken in year.
Taking this fact into picture we have $30,000 per plate dinner obviously only after tax since tax-exemption is not allowed how can common man get their representative to listen to their issues. Obviously I read the original transcript. With trivializing, easy comments on a serious issue of health care affordability there was laughter and it looked like some meeting of hearts. I am getting doubts whether 99% of the America is in the same universe as them.
Your posting removed the distortion of the sound bytes we get from MSM and the reality and thanks for the prior posting on this issue.
Hoocoodanode!
Of course the American Prospect would call it “justified mockery.”
The American Prospect, courtesy of co-founder Paul Starr, Princeton policy entrepreneur for the corporatocracy, wanted Bill Clinton to do it way back in the 90s and he never did give up.
We have him to thank for the factually challenged rhetorical stylings of Ezra Klein– and now Jamelle Bouie, too!
Just put that culture war rag for the corporatocracy out of its misery already.
Simple and to the point Jane. You can’t expect people to wise-up when they keep getting spun around by the MSM and now the White House, but they will find a scapegoat somewhere for their pain.
Democrats who should know better need to stop voting for the MSM candidates who have all the $$$ and get all the airtime. Despite his skin tone this President was always a plain vanilla centrist. He’s certainly not a fighter and not a progressive. Who can we get behind in 2012 to end this slide?
Obama has gotten good at laughing at his base. Now it’s in your face. Ugh!
AHhhh the Kathleen Sebelius appearance on Tavis Smiley last night is so clear now.
“Gottah make it all sound good,” politics that hurt the people.
A year and a half ago I predicted that the insurance companies had vowed to punish the American people whether or not HCR passed, and that they were going to teach them a lesson they’d never forget.
I also predicted that the plan would backfire on them, causing them to go bankrupt and then demand a BAILOUT.
I’m sticking by those predictions and I further predict that the BAILOUT will be railroaded through the new GOP Congress and Senate without voter input or delay, under the guise of “protecting the health care industry from collapse”.
Hey, it worked for Wall Street!
Any takers?
Thanks Jane!
Much like the Kansas farmers of the 1890′s, we need to “raise less corn and more hell”!