Obama took the opportunity to mock supporters of the public option last night at a DNC event in Greenwich, Connecticut (per Mike Allen):
OBAMA: Democrats, just congenitally, tend to get — to see the glass as half empty. (Laughter.) If we get an historic health care bill passed — oh, well, the public option wasn’t there. If you get the financial reform bill passed — then, well, I don’t know about this particularly derivatives rule, I’m not sure that I’m satisfied with that. And gosh, we haven’t yet brought about world peace and — (laughter.) I thought that was going to happen quicker. (Laughter.) You know who you are. (Laughter.) We have had the most productive, progressive legislative session in at least a generation.
Yeah, we know who we are. We’re the people who supported Bill Halter’s primary challenge of Blanche Lincoln, the woman Obama campaigned for. Who only included that derivatives rule in the financial reform bill because she was afraid of losing to Halter.
We’re the people who fought for a year and a half to pass Audit the Fed, which Obama, the Fed, the Treasury and the banks all lobbied against and worked hard to weaken. It passed the Senate 94-0, and Chris Hayes called it “the single greatest act of bipartisanship since Obama took office” on MSNBC. It was part of the financial reg bill, which is the “only popular Democratic act” since the 2008 election, per Gallup.
Obama himself used to be one of us, when he said that “the choice of a public insurance option” was one of his “three bedrock requirements for real health care reform” — when he wanted people to sign up for OFA:
We’re the people whose votes Obama was trying to secure on the campaign trail when he:
- – outlined his health care plan in a 2007 campaign speech, saying “Essentially . . we’re going to set up a public plan that all persons and all women can access if they don’t have health insurance. It will be a plan that will provide all essential services, including reproductive services.”
- – promised in 2008 on his campaign’s website that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in [a] new public plan.” [2008]
- – signed on to the HCAN principles on October 6, 2008, which includes “a public insurance plan without a private insurer middleman that guarantees affordable coverage.”
- – told the Washington Post that his health care plan “creates a new public health plan for those currently without coverage.”
So Obama promises people a public plan, they go out and campaign for him in record numbers, and then when the Senate decides to drop the public option from the health care bill, he says “I didn’t campaign on the public option.”
Glenn Greenwald, from February 2010:
As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama — while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary — finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just don’t have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that there’s a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.
Russ Feingold says that the reason there was no public option in the final bill was because of “lack of support from the administration.”
Joe Lieberman, whose vote was used as an excuse for ditching the public option when it was assumed that the health care bill would need 60 votes to get through the Senate, said that he he “didn’t really have direct input from the White House” on the public option and was never specifically asked to support it.
When the Senate decided to go the reconciliation route and only needed 50 votes to pass the bill, and nobody needed Lieberman’s vote any more, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs threw cold water on any attempt to do so, saying it wasn’t a “consensus idea.”
So it’s awfully glib for Obama to now belittle the people who worked hard to get him elected for always seeing the glass “half empty” if they’re disappointed about the public option. Then again, he apparently doesn’t even remember the promises he made to them.
Maybe they’re not being negative, maybe they’re just smart enough to know when they’ve been conned.
One thing is for sure. Obama never would have expressed this kind of contempt for the base prior to his own election. He — and the DNC — are playing Russian roulette with the rest of the party, belittling the very people who show up and vote and do all the campaign grunt work in every race in the country. And for what? It all appears to be little more than an egotistical, thin-skinned taunt aimed at those they feel aren’t giving them the accolades the Democrats think they deserve.
Nobody in the history of electoral politics, and I mean nobody, believes that telling people to “get over it” will get them to the polls. (Well, nobody but Spiro Agnew.) And you can bet your bottom dollar that come 2012, when Obama’s own electoral future is on the line, that won’t be his message.
Note: the video that Mike Allen includes in the quote is from the Obama’s Stamford speech, but Obama’s comments in the paragraph were made at a $30,000-a-plate fundraiser in Greenwich. The DNC released a transcript, but no video. I removed the video Allen cites to reduce confusion.
Update: Glenn Greenwald tells the story in headlines.





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You know, I just had a fleeting moment of hopefulness over at EW’s place over the possibility that Warren’s new appointment might indicate that Obama was finally listening to us. Evidently not.
Laugh while you can President Pinhead, because you have lost your party a lot of support they will wish they had in November. I wonder if they will continue to support you after that…
This is just like Bill Clinton’s defense of his presidency that he made a few days ago, where he was proud of his “third way” of compromise.
What he doesn’t seem to understand, and Obama is in the same boat, is that if you compromise away core principles just to score a legislative win, it’s a hollow victory. It’s process over substance, something Obama seems obsessed with.
Jane, you got me seething all over again. He’s got some kind of nerve bringing up the words “public option” this close to an election and spitting in the face of so many who placed their faith and trust in him. Never again. Obama, you have destroyed your most active supporters.
Primary Obama in ’12. Dean 2012… he at least gets the fact that you need 50 states to win, and he won’t fire himself.
Oh yeah, didn’t Obama come to the aide of HoJo in 2006? I seem to recall that he did, along with a lot of other “establishment” Democrats who are likely sorry they ever lent their support to Senator “with us on everything but the war”.
Nothing like having whores all up and down Pennsylvania Avenue. Too bad they cost more than the average American can afford.
So we have Biden wagging his finger at us and now ridicule from Obama. These guys really know how to motivate, don’t they?
Evidence continues to mount that Obama wants to run against Speaker Boehner and His Do-Nothing GOP Congress in 2012. Team Obama haven’t liked that other Democratic power center on Capitol Hill, and they are doing everything they can to end the service of the first woman Speaker.
All we ask is that Obama keep his promises; that, apparently, is eminently mockable. What a buffoon he is.
Beautiful expression of describing what neo-liberalism is to those that still want to rah rah Bill Clinton and Barack Obama…..and the American people fundamentally understand this as well which culminates in dropping poll numbers showing their frustration with this ’3rd way’.
What’s it going to take to have so-called leaders recognize that “CHANGE” means “CHANGE from conservative and neo-liberal polcies????”
I’m don’t even want to click on the video – eerily reminiscent of Diana Christensen in Network
I am all but out of places to hide from that conclusion
always good to see other sane people talking about it
Great post Jane, I especially like the section where you are showing the “Three Bedrock Requirements for Healthcare Reform” I guess we just didn’t understand what the definition of
was: to create a false and misleading impression
Oh wait, that is the definition of a lie.
‘sokay. I did it to myself too.
I’d actually be better with “compromising core principles for a win.” If I thought they fought and did the best they could, that would be one thing. But I think they pretended to fight for one thing, while actually fighting for something else. And then got pissed at people for figuring it out.
Well, don’t go vote or vote republican, green or whatever and shoot yourself in the foot. If you turn Congress over to the Republican Party then nothing will ever be accomplished. Note this:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/huckabee-opposes-insurance-for-people-with-pre-existing-conditions.php
Huckabee is the least of our problems, or have you not seen the Govt’s own state by state chart on premiums ?
$500+/mo. and $2500 deductibles in AL. ?
maybe Alabamans “see the glass as half empty”
solid yocks, President Shecky
this is really infuriating.
the healthcare bill failed on all three bedrock principles. in particular, it left in tact a status quo that has consistently driven up costs and produced lousy outcomes. it will continue to do so and our country will pay an enormous price in terms of competitiveness. a public option was hardly the sole critique. to call it “progressive” is a bad joke. and while we’re talking about promises, i seem to remember a never-ending refrain about ending business as usual and lobbyist influence in washington. it takes a lot of gall (and, as others have mentioned, stupidity) to use this bill as an example of how he brought change to washington.
It’s unacceptable for me to complain about these dems and then turn around and vote for them out of fear. Either “man-up” or shut up with all due respect.
In my case I’m voting Green. As a great dem once said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. It seems the teabaggers know this lesson and sadly too many dems have forgotten it.
Texaschick, how would it we be shooting ourselves in the foot by voting green? Their platform seems to line up with my values. The President’s platform does not. The healthcare bill does not limit the amount that an insurance company can charge someone with a preexisting condition. So I ask you what is the difference in not being able to afford insurance and not forcing the insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions?
Bye, Dems.
Oh, absolutely. It’s hard to consider Obama a Democratic president, he’s more of a corporatist. I meant he (and Clinton) compromised core principles of their party, but I do think Obama and Clinton truly believe their way is the right way. Obama is much more infuriating than Clinton was, though, because he seems to be more obviously lying to the base. Or maybe the internet makes it easier to expose the lies very quickly.
Oh sure, vote green and what exactly are you going to accomplish????? Nada. Your vote won’t count. I’d rather have a mod. Dem in Congress than a lunatic right wing religious Republican. I’m going to vote Dem starting with Bill White. You are doing exactly what the Republicans want you to do. Oh well…….
The Tea Party is the Republican party on steriods. Who the heck do you think is backing these people? But, they (true tea party) are going to be very unhappy with what they end up getting. All the tea party crowd aren’t rich. Many of them are on Social Security and Medicare.
Yeah, when someone pisses on me I don’t think they have bought me a drink. Fuck you, not only will I not be voting for you I will be actively be working against you in 2012.
Can’t fool us, Mr. President. It was a bloody Heritage Foundation idea with the words “AN HISTORIC HEALTHCARE BILL” painted on it.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
We need to take over the DNC and county committees. From the ground up just like the conservatives did starting in the 60s.
I sure hope we can mount a winnable primary candidate against this trojan horse
Silly Dems – can’t see the $30,000 plate as half full.
Not to worry, though, Obama is making sure we see that he is completely full of it.
I am left with the eerie feeling that Obama does not know who voted for him and why, or who worked for him and why, and has not tried to find out. Now, I think the Dems are going to do OK in this election–not great, but doubts tend to accumulate rolling down to November, and the Republicans are awesomely unpopular. But this is short-term. Long-term, the Democrats are going to become a conservative party.
Hey, Tex — There are no moderate Dems in Congress. There are some Dems who pretend to be moderate on social issues (DADT, DOMA, stem cell research) but when the rubber meets the road in votes that count (non-symbolic votes) they disappear. All of them. Every fucking one. (See HCR.)
Great Post Jane! Last December, I compiled a great deal of evidence (to add to what you’ve provided), documenting Obama running on the public option.
Hey, Jane, reminding us of the Fed Audit, offhand do you know if it’s started, when the first results are required to be posted, etc?
What a great thread, Jane! Jeebus, talk about telling it like it is. :o)
I feel like:
“Word: Asshole! We’re the people who stoked the firebox on YOUR presidential locomotive. Let’s see how far it goes without us.”
I hope this little performance puts “paid” to the stay-the-coursers.
I thought I was out of mouth-froth. Nuh-unh. :o) Thanks.
OOOOOkay, Mr. Grayson, or whomever; how’s 2012 sound to you? :o)
It’s like the abused wife syndrome with these idiotss. They slap you in the face and then come back and tell you they love you, ie; campaign help/contributions.
Sorry pal.
You wait, it happens like clock work. Come November they will be making all kinds of phony promises.
Screw’em.
If the Republicans take over it will be their own damn fault.
You can’t continually taunt your base with out repercussions.
And we’re still those people.
We have been had. Won’t happen again.
Democratic leadership is conducting an all-out assault on the Democratic wing of their party. Just this week:
* Joe Biden went Rachel Maddow’s program to scold progressives for not “getting in gear.”
* Democratic Strategist Chris Kofinis did likewise on Countdown, though with less finger wagging.
* Bill Clinton mocked Rachel Maddow for accusing him of implementing Republcan policies, which he most clearly did.
* Lanny Davis then piled on:
And they act like it’s their great discovery that Republicans are assholes, and they have to convince us of that.
Greenwich, CN isn’t that where alot of the bailout money went to the Banksters and Wall Street Titans who choose to commute.
This is why I don’t believe the Warren appointment is anything but more
theaterunadulterated bullshit.Fucking Greenwich-O among his fellow oligarchs, of course he’ll crack jokes about policies that favor us nobodies…
“What are you going to accomplish?”
How about this: We can help consign a democratic president who makes fun of the best and brightest and longest-suffering of the democratic party, to history’s dust bin.
At this point, and with this president, if I can assist in that, I’ll be proud as can be, to help illustrate the political cost of throwing the progressives in the party under the bus.
(No smileface big enough, here…)
Swell idea, Barack. Criticize your ever more impoverished base for seeing the plate as half empty, at a $30,000 per plate fund raiser.
Your understanding of democracy is spectacularly superficial. It’s not all about winning. It’s not a sporting event.
At this point, in my opinion YOU are the problem much more than the GOP.
I think we are at more risk with Obama in office rather than a wingnut. Obama makes rotten decisions. I would hate for him to have to decide about the nuclear option (the real one) in an emergency. I can see him making a the most horrid decision about the Iran/Israeli conflict.
My response to Obama and the Dems for this mocking is coming in early November. It will be at the ballot box.
Same here. We have Greens on the ballot this November; they’ll be getting my votes for the next few election cycles unless something better comes along in time for 2012.
we like to call it Hedgeville
In 2012, I will not be voting for Obama. That may mean I don’t vote that high up on the ballot, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles when the elected president no longer reflects the values of the candidate he once pretended to be.
How do we know that Obama will be sorry if Republicans do well in November? Obama might get along very well with a Republican congress. People assume that he cares about things I believe he doesn’t even think about. Of course he’s a liar–from our prospective. Be interesting, don’t you think, to understand his prospective. The more I see of him, the more I believe his life’s work has been putting himself in the right place at the right time with the right people. Because he instinctively understood how far that could take him. You can go a very long way in life doing just that and we all know it.
Ya know, when I’m getting screwed, it really doesn’t matter whether its by a friend or an enemy…… It only matters that I’m getting screwed.
It will take actual, historic, Great Society type legislation being passed before I will vote for this fraud again.
Wow. Beat up on progressives! What a concept.
If he’s so successful, why is childhood poverty skyrocketing, why is the California jobless rate 12.4%, why are bankruptcies still going up, and why has inequality continued to increase?
It’s disgusting that he can look at the economic picture in this country and see a reason to pat himself on the back. He’s as out of touch as Bush ever was. He’s a failure and he refuses to see the forest for the trees.
Once again, screw him.
I take this as a Barack more clever form of Rahm’s “F” you liberals/progressives.
Let’s “hope” he’s a one termer.
In a way, this is good. It’s now clear as glass that he and the democrats plan to try to hang on to seats by demonizing us.
No arguing. No equivocating:
Obama: The democratic lefties are the bad guys, and the republicans are just…the loyal opposition, and gosharootie, if we can just get the hippies to STFU, I bet I can get a second term.
How MUCH would you like to bet, Mr. Preznint?
Just saw Jane’s head-to-head with Armstrong Williams on MSNBC. Williams brought a pea-shooter to a gun fight. You bet, Armstrong. Beck is just like MLK, only more so. Surreal…
I, for one, hope that Stewart and Colbert do get the permit, do go forward with their “rally,” that it’s widely-publicized and that the head count far exceeds what happened with Beck and his Army of Crazies.
And speaking of Army of Crazies, anyone been watching this thing today?
Obama: “Just watch my swing.”
Oh, that was Bush. I’m getting them mixed up in my old age.
I’ll quote and link, again.
stopmebeforeivoteagain.org. Funny and right on.
it’s worse then bush, bush was dull enough to believe his handlers, obama knows what he’s doing, he knows he’s playing the trojan horse
and that’s what he is, he tricked us by putting on his sheeps clothing, he fooled us by hiding in that trojan horse, he is a corporatist through and through, he is a trickle down economist through and through, he is a unitary president through and through
I believe he can and will do more damage then a republican president since he will not get the push back he would get with the very same programs if he were a republican
there is no way on the planet a republican could have gotten that corporate welfare health reform through, no way
I really don’t care one bit if he is a one term president and I probably prefer it
Same comment I left in response to Glenn Greenwald’s excellent post today:
I was a Democrat. Now I’m a Partisan Independent Liberal. That means I’m a PIL, and Obama finds me hard to swallow. I’ll vote Democrat for president in 2012…if the party decides to run an actual Democrat. If it turns out to be the same Republicrat, I’ll have to find someone who stands for things I believe in to vote for. My conscience won’t have it any other way.
With 58 million now without health insurance this idiot’s health care reform worked just fine for the corporate whores kin the WH.
May he and his administration rot in hell.
Dear Jane,So progressives are feeling dissed by their president…help me understand.. is this just the instant gratification crowd? – I am impatient too – but what is your alternative? – stay home – don’t vote – let the tea party take over? – Talk about biting your nose to spite your face….give the president the super majority he needs to meet your demands…to think you will run in the opposite direction just doesn’t make sense…our future, your future is in your hands..
The president knows very well what the republicans will do – this culture war is taking us back to the early 70s – we did not give up and we did not give in – just read “Audacity of Hope” – I say, mass your troops and let’s get 2010 done for heaven sake….
Interesting, I hadn’t thought about that. It reminds me of a post written about Condaleezza Rice by one of her former college professors on Salon.com called “The Performer Lost in Her Performance” where he says that she would do whatever it takes to curry the favor of her wealthy benefactors, moral or otherwise. I can now see Santesticles exactly the same way.
Vote Green and your vote will not count. If you think Obama is worse than a right wing religious nut, then you need a reality check. GOP Congress means nothing will get accomplished. Not too mention a shit load of money spent investigating Obama. Gee, what was the price tag for the Clinton investigation? Now, in a great economy, no problem but in the economy we have right now, not so good……
I’m not going to let my anger cause me to do something stupid. Really stupid.
This election is not about Obama.
Thanks for the post and agree especially with your comment, above.
It at least seemed as if the Clintons really tried to reform health care; maybe I’m naive, but it seemed that way. When it was defeated, it certainly looked like they were foiled by the rightwing.
With BHO?? Not only did he not try, he was very obviously in the payola of the whole BigPharma BigIns BigMedDevice industry from the get-go. BHO clearly and unequivocably was NOT interested in doing one darn thing that the vast majority of middle and working class citizens wanted – either single payer (medicare for all) or at least a public option. What did we end up with but corporate welfare for the fat-cats, once again, plus dramatic inroads on women’s right to choose.
Glass half empty??? There isn’t even a friggin’ glass anywhere, much less any water. “Small” people were kicked to the curb, women were kicked in the teeth, we were told to STFU, and now, yet again, BHO stands on his hind legs and mocks us once again.
The message could not be clearer. BHO’s up in Greewich, CT – land of the most obscenely rich of all the obscene ones out there, and he’s being handsomely rewarded by the plutocrats to spit in our faces Yet Again!
WHY would I vote Democrats? Why? I’m not afraid of the T-party. Get a clue.
It’s perfectly obvious that the White House and Democratic leadership know what is happening and why. It was obvious when Gibbs derided the “professional left” as if they were unrealistic idiots that wanted the Pentagon closed completely, and when Tim Kaine was on the Daily Show and had no answer for Jon Stewart’s account of how the Democratic Party turned on its base. I thought Jon seemed peeved enough to make him eat that stupid keychain.
And it’s even more obvious when the White House has Joe Biden go on Rachel Maddow’s show to browbeat progressives into “getting enthusiastic” without giving them a reason to, and when the next day Obama goes out and ridicules people for being dismissive of their historic (historically unpopular, perhaps?) health care bill. If the public option was just the “sliver of reform” to Democrats that they claimed it was, they wouldn’t feel the need to mention it.
The reason they are is that they know.
you’re missing the point texas, obama is worse in office then a republican since he can get dems to vote for corporate law
I don’t want him in office, get it?
Maybe the Democrats in Congress, at the White House and the DNC….well they need to be in the minority for couple years…lets watch the GOP shut down govt….investigate everything about Obama including the brand of underwear he wears…..2 years of crazies…let O’Donnel or whatever her name is, Angle, Paul have a “teaching moment” for the WH, DNC, and the alleged Democrat leadership in Congress…might be a great learning experience about your base. I will go to the polls this fall and vote for all the local Democrats, Brad Miller…but thats it. Not wasting my vote on anyone else. I will vote in the primaries in 12 if someone is opposing Obama..but I will not vote for another Senate candidate nor Obama who call themselves a Democrat. I have voted in every election since 1968 and have voted without exception for Democrats. Not anymore…and please all you Clintonites go screw yourselves.
In the words of Lenin, sometimes you must take one step back to go two steps forward. I will not be voting for the democrats this election or for the foreseeable future (until we get actual democrats). If we get a few more republicans, the country will get much worse. after it gets worse, we will get real democrats. My guess is that the country is in for a spate of one term presidents until 2020.
Obama saw very clearly the way that the Citizens United decision would go. He tailored his “hopey/changey” admminstration to that decision. He is a user and an abuser. Walk away.
Lanny Davis = P.O.S.
Enthusiasm Gap? What enthusiasm gap?
One’s vote ALWAYS counts; it just may not count to YOU.
When your principles and your actions/votes aren’t aligned with each other, that’s called hypocrisy.
And as to the fear card, play it. I have my armor on and am girding against how terrible things are with this administration, and do not see taking a different stance for years to come.
From the drone commander yuck, yuck, yuck
It’s like they want to lose.
Citizen Hamsher:
“…I mean nobody, believes that telling people to ‘et over it’will get them to the polls”.
Of course not, we all know what is goin on cuz Rahm ran this same game in 1994 in order to get Republican majorites in Congress to cover for Clinton’s “bi-partisanship” on banking and economic policy and legislation. Until recently, I was convinced that Obama wasn’t stupid and had a driving political self-interest so that he would turn populist in the Fall session in order to maintain his majorities…and I still think that’s his plan. That’s why he’s pilin’ on the stuff inthe military appropriations bill and is taking a public stand for “middle class tax cuts”. Whether it’s enough to get folks to the polls will depend upon just how stupid would be “progressives” and arm chair radicals are…if they stay home and concede the field to Rahm and the corporatists then we all lose. I for one have been workin’ the neigborhood and the district for local candidates and Rus Fiengold in order to bring out enough of the ’08 vote to keep our gains in the last election. My biggest frustration is not with workin’ folks or youngsters who have been respondin’ positively to the call to vote but rather with the usual suspects who think that by holdin’ their breath and stayin home this November they will really make a statement…sometimes I think “liberals” have their heads so far up their asses that they can see their tonsils.
Really? They must have changed the election law since I taught US Government.
Well, that IS a good reason to vote Green or write in “public option.” And the Repugs aren’t clever enough to pass a bill forcing me to either pay $900 I don’t have to the IRS or to give protection money to the insurance mafia for a policy I can’t use with a deductible of $5000 I don’t have.
Yep redd – I’m right there with you. I’ve been manipulated for the last time.
She was a token appointment. And the fact that she is not a permanent appointment and only there to setup the department…it is clear that liberal and progressive views are not a priority to this administration. Actually, his insult along with Rahm and everyone in his administration is making it quite clear that they courted our vote, but never intended to follow through. We are a barganing chip. Well, I will not bargain my vote again. I was suckered and am now very angry.
I agree! We primaried Carter back when, for similar reasons. Carter was a lousy leader like this guy, arrogant and out of touch. He’s a better activist then a politician. Obama has allowed the power to go to his head. Let him keep listening to Clinton and Axelrod, Geitner and Summers, he’ll get the message he’s lost his base soon enough. He’s already blaming us for the disaster this fall. Personally, I don’t think he or his crew care. They’ll be just as happy blaming the Gopers for nothing getting done the next two yrs. He better lawyer up because they’ll go for his throat from the 1st moment. Oh, and this time no boom to shore him up with the public. The Reich wing will make sure no jobs get created and that he’s to blame. He’s a one termer.
Obama has accomplished SOOO much with the big majorities we gave him in 2008. Wouldn’t it be awful to have a do-nothing congress?
Oh boy, I needed a dose of fired up Jane.
Shows a total lack of character. This guy is a liar and fraud. Supremely arrogant and immoral. Biggest mistake I ever made was voting for this creep.
Interesting comment, and it’s food for thought. I just read the Vanity Fair article about Sarah Palin. What I got from that is that Palin is an self-entitled ambitious woman with no scruples, who has convinced herself that she “deserves” to be super wealthy. I think sociopaths like Palin eventually come to believe their b.s. At any rate, Palin put herself on a path to do exactly what she’s doing, and if T-partiers (many of whom aren’t that wealthy) are happy to be give their hard-earned money to Palin, then who’s to complain?
After reading that article, I think Obama is similarly movtivated to Palin. It’s all about “me,” grabbing the brass ring, making lots of money for “me” etc. And it if means being unscrupulous, lying, grifting, shilling or prostituting, so be it. The main difference between BHO and Palin is that BHO managed to put himself thru Ivy League schools.
I think that what we’re all trying to communicate to the Democrats is that we no longer consider ourselves a part of their political party in a very meaningful way. Whether the dems drifted too far right, or whether they were already too far right and had just been lying to us for votes, we moved on. We have accepted that the leaders of their party are simply not interested in listening to us. They may act like it, but only if they think it garners votes. That evidence is quite clear now.
If they want us back, it must be worth out time and effort. But instead of really listening, the dems first tried the old “but, but, SARAH PALIN” fear message…a noun, a verb, and Sarah Palin. You know what? I’m not scared of Sarah Palin. They tried “but, but, REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL OF CONGRESS!” and we are still not scared.
So now they are strying to spank us with words, while simultaneously ginning up fear…CHRISTINE O’DONNELL!!! ooohh spooky Halloween talk!!
I honestly don’t care if the republicans take control of congress – both chambers – the filibuster will still exist, the veto will exist (though I doubt O would use it), and public demonstrations will still exist. I survived George, I will survive republican control of congress, I will survive Barack. No amount of cajoling is going to make me vote for people who activetly work against my interests.
Phew! what a rant. Hopefully it’s a little coherent at least. :)
Exactly. Obama has always been comfortable around conservatives. I believe he’s actually a republican who hasn’t come out the closet.
“It’s like they want to lose.”
It is. Once those fat congressional margins are gone, then they’ll have an excuse to cover their slack asses.
It’s becoming all too clear. Obama used the liberals and progressives for our votes and nothing else. The attack on us from all sides, and no one defending us in this administration, makes it clear that they have more respect for the Tea Party than the liberals and progressives. No reason to vote in the mid-terms. They just lost the majority in the House and Senate. The joke will be on him and his administration when they cannot pass anything because of GOP Congress. He can experience what it was like for Clinton with a GOP congress.
No, it isn’t. But you’re so frightened of what you see front of you, you aren’t paying attention to what’s going on behind your back. This business of scaring people into the submission is probably as old as humans. You are not going to get to a different place with the poseur “Democrats” now in place; you’re going to get to the same place. Perhaps more slowly in some instances, but that isn’t guaranteed, and certainly not in all instances. Don’t think so? Consider the steady and despicable assault on the Constitution. We are moving steadily to rule by executive fiat. And, oh, irony, Dick Cheney predicted that Obama’s administration would push even further into that territory than his. Every regime has preyed on primitive fear and IT WORKS. I say, resist your limbic brain’s panic.
Up until this, I thought they were making a last minute (and too late) attempt to assuage progressives with the Dream Act and DADT, to make up for HCR and the failures of Financial Regulatory Reform. Now comes this–they should have saved the anger they are going to get from the bigots over Immigration and Gays. I might have bought a come to Jesus on Elizabeth Warren, the Dream Act and ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell–but this just frosts it. I will give to a few progressives and will continue to tell the party and Obama droids to stick it. Someone should tell Biden that selling crap doesn’t work, if all you can say is that yours don’t smell as bad as the other guy’s.
Yeah, he’s Hitler, all right. Where’s my damn pony
LOL! Thanks for the snark! Indeed.
Hey Jane, the “$30,000-a-plate fundraiser in Greenwich” link goes to a “Not Found” page. Thank you for telling us about this. Funny, it’s the first I’ve heard of it all day, but had MSNBC on all day, not a word about it. I’m so tired of their being a complicit arm of the Democratic party. This is why people don’t trust dems anymore either. He’s a two-faced coward! What gets me is I knew this is what was going on when it happened. I no longer buy their scripted dramas. Nothing and nobody can be trusted.
Hey Obama! I have a funny joke. It goes like this. Can you believe this guy who romances America with promises of justice and fairness and then gets into office and forgets all about those promises and even tries to spin that he never made the promises. I bet you all laugh about that one!
“…you are the problem more than the GOP.”
Been saying that to the loyalists for a while now. They’re suborning and supporting the regular Obama craps on us, and then shreiking at us about the harm WE are doing by pointing out the truth about this political hack and his administration.
“Political parties and small “r” republicanism require constant stewardship and at some point that entails forcing a change in leadership.” Here’s how the joke goes about politicians. ” You know why Politicians are like diapers? Like diapers, they’re full of shit and need to be changed often.”
No, your vote counts when you vote for someone who stands for what you believe in.
It would be good for this site if folks were a little kinder to commenters who have a slightly different opinion than theres.
Well if anyone was wondering if Gibbs and Emanuel went off the reservation in attacking the left, here’s your answer. Is Obama kidding, the most progressive legislation session ever, really. Let me get this straight, amending, not reforming, a health care system with some changes, but essentially leaves the healthcare mafia in place, and handing them 31 million more victims is progressive, a financial regulation bill that does nothing, absolutely nothing to reform the casino on wall street and does nothing to break up the giants controlling our economy is progressive, passing a stimulus bill with too many tax cuts for big business was progressive. This guy apparently has no idea what being progressive really is. It doesn’t mean finding and hugging the center of the road, kissing the rights ass, and doing everything in your power to protect their campaign benefactors. It doesn’t mean being stupid enough to attack your base in an election year where polls show your party is about to be drubbed, that’s just stupid, in other words, something a conservative would do.
No Mr. Obama, you have not supported or passed progressive legislation. You passed industry friendly bills and now call them progressive, after bragging about those pieces being, and I quote, “Pretty centrist pieces of legislation”. So by your own words your policy “successes” are not progressive. I’ve said this before and I will continue to say it. We are not the right. We are not your howler monkeys who clap and cheer on command. We are not your cheerleaders and won’t stand by you no matter what. Unlike the right, we aren’t psycophants, we “true progressives” who care more about the welfare of the country and the people than power. Unfortunately too many Democrats, who call themselves progressives, care about who’s in office, not what that person has done to significantly improve the lives of working class, middle class, and poor Americans.
It would seem the limited success of your policies thus far, and the imperiled congress due to those limited successes, might get a sensible, thinking, caring man to rethink the past 20 months and figure out the people I mock and minimize were right. That if I would’ve listened to those people the Democrats would be sailing to re-election and maybe picking up seats. But no, the people I am seeing in you and your team are arrogant, egocentric men whose vanity matters more than the job you were elected to do. Every time I try to get myself to become active in this cycle, you tone deaf morons in the White House, including you Mr. Obama, pull some crap like this.
Good luck in November, because if there are “true progressives” out there like me, you just lost votes in November. For a man who’s supposed to be so intelligent and smart, you and your team have made some really boneheaded, quite astoundingly stupid moves. The Republican leadership has one thing over the Democratic leadership, they aren’t stupid enough to attack the people they depend on to get elected!
If there was any doubt about it, last night his value to progressives as a political goat to be electorally sacrificed, went WAY beyond any positive considerations of supporting him.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of “progressives” who believe what Obama said. They hang out over at DK.
Slap me once, shame on me.
Slap me twice, um, gee, not going to get slapped again.
It’s good to see Clarence Thomas Obama doing his own dirty work. Rahm and Gibbs must have told him it was his turn to insult the liberals. I don’t take it personal because I was never an Obama supporter. But I would think some of y’all would be ready to take your business elsewhere.
Yup … and all the while pinning blame for the losses on Progressives’ lack of enthusiasm.
Yes, you’re right but people are really, really frightened at the prospect of overtly viciously self-serving Republicans and haven’t thought thru the covertly viciously self-serving Democrats. I can see their point, but at 67, I’m not mislead by the old misdirection play, anymore. Well, not in politics, at any rate.
we have been betrayed on health care… sold short. ☻
I said it before Obama was elected and I’ll keep saying it: Obama’s raison d’etre as president is to destroy Social Security, just as Bubba Clinton’s was to destroy welfare. Both men young, fresh faces. Clinton with the support of Jackson Stephens and the Wall Street moneymen; Obama with the support of the DLC, Brzezinski, and the Wall Street moneymen AND the entire health care insurance industry.
Here’s my “conspiracy theory” – Obama and Hillary met with their Wall Street supporters and the oligarchs who decide these sort of things. The Rothschild/Morgan crew decided that it was good timing, after the Bush debacle, to have a young black Democrat make history and make it look populist by having regular people top off the donations from the money people. To placate Hillary, who would also be a historic choice, Obama promises his insurance backers that he’ll defang health care reform and, for his Wall Street people, he’ll destroy Social Security so financial guys will get their fees and the rest of the working class retirement money, thereby pissing off everyone who voted for him (except the bots) and ensuring that if Hillary chooses to primary him in 2012, he won’t put up a fight and the special interests he’s served will throw their backing to her.
What do we get? Well, for those of us who’ve been around long enough, to add to the experiences of the murders of JFK, Malcolm, Medgar, Dr. King, and Bobby; Vietnam (whether we were lucky enough to be in the game or opposing it), Watergate (and the concomitant presidential resignation), Grenada, Iran-Contra, Panama, and Desert Storm; Bubba’s bubbles, his impeachment and “wag the dog” war crimes; and, finally, Dubya’s assorted crimes, international and domestic, we get to have the first black president followed by the first woman president.
All it costs us is our retirement money and our kids’ futures.
Good post. It seems that being “the most powerful man in the world” has driven much of the concept of being a “servant of the people” from his mind. It’s a shame because there was a tremendous opportunity for him to be a great president.
This is as offensive as Bush looking for WMDs under the podium.
Saw you on the Dylan Ratigan show today. You go baby, tell them why we are pissed and will never vote or campaign for them again
Gee, I wonder where those comments from Gibbs came from? It’s obvious why he’s so despised by mainstream and liberal Democrats alike.
Wonder how many in the dinner crowd were from the insurance industry in Conn?
Thanks for a heads up on this speech Jane.
What a disappointment of a speech. Especially, at a time when there is so much more needing to be done for our nation.
The man is politically and culturally a Schizophrenic. He sells himself to his base as a black community activist named Barak Obama and then once elected rules as a White Harvard trained Corp. lawyer and political conservative named Barry Obama. I believe he’s both for different occasions and like Joanne Woodward in the “3 faces of Eve” we’re seeing him morph from one to the other right in front of us.
I have been thinking that for a while myself.
Voting Green reflects my politics and principles, something sorely lacking in dems.
I would rather vote teabagger than vote for another dem who has no qualms about spitting in my face while endorsing republican policies!
I guess your willingness to vote for a bill that didnt include a Public Option didnt have anything to do with it, right Russ Feingold?
How convenient.
OF COURSE they’re going to mock the liberals/progressives, and OF COURSE the room fills with laughter.
You know why? BECAUSE THEY CAN!
That’s right, they know they can. They know they can mock, ridicule, cajole, fuck over, lie to, and then laugh out loud at us because they know they’ve got our votes. They don’t fear us, they mock us. Until the base makes them fear us, we will continue to get nothing and like it.
And there is only ONE way to make them fear us. Make them realize that we really will, no bullshit, NOT vote for the assholes.
Ha, but I expect that to happen like I expect to win the lottery this weekend. Sure hope it does though. I’m telling you if the Democrats lose majorities in both house, they won’t have any choice but to change their ways as they realize they’ve lost the biggest majorities in a generation in one election cycle. THEY WILL get the message, if we send it.
I just went to my email at Yahoo and one of their headline stories mocks the Democrats for their We’re-Bad-but-They’re-Worse campaign pitch. Too funny. Too true, actually. Is this pitiful or what?
You’re right, this election isn’t about Obama. It’s about the shitty party he belongs to. He’s just another product of that shitty party.
By the way, I know that those of you who are still trapped in your co-dependent relationship with the Democratic Party would like nothing better than to perpetuate the two-party dictatorship that has done such wonders advancing the progressive cause over the last few decades, but they do still in fact count the votes of those of us who vote for third-party candidates. I know you wish they didn’t, but they do. If you want our votes back, earn them.
Ugh!
Words fail me.
I think Barry believes that no matter what he can go over the heads of the so called activist Progressive base to the “lo info voters” and still win. He’s being advised poorly about this and it’s going to cost him and the Dims. dearly in the fall. They’re also hedging any defeat up front by blaming us for their defeat is what I’m seeing. How this will play out for him in 2012 will be interesting. The next two yrs. he’d better be prepared to lawyer up because the Right is going to go right for his throat and this time they’re not going to help him along by creating a boom economy. This time he will be trying to explain no jobs in 2012 to a really angry hostile public and blaming us for all of this will fall on deaf ears from everyone.
Hey, Seaglass, nice to see you, again. Sorry I haven’t gotten back. I will, I will. (If it worked for Obama, why not me?) I will, really.
Obama never thought he was a servant of the people. I’d bet a great deal–more than I have–on that.
Obama handed the Democratic Party their asses before he was sworn in. The gave conservative wall street tax dollars and kicked working class Americans down the road. If we had known what he meant really by hope/change we might have stayed home. Next time.
Mock all you want Mr. Resident, true leadership doesn’t comer for the top, it wells up from the depths of the human heart.
Nothing new in this. Im sure this occured to everyone else too but, isnt the “smartest guy” in the room aware that these comments will travel further than the those who paid the 30,000 dollar bribe to have dinner with him? I KNOW he dosent care about the people he mocks. But does he really want to fob off responsibility for all his failures onto Dems in congress? who are facing an election in the fall? i just dont get this guy. On the one hand it seems like cold triangulation. On the other hand it seems like bill clintonesque pandering, but with a little sour grapes Whining that clinton was too slick to ever have publicly indulged in. I dont think Obama is the smartest guy in the room, not even in that room full of proven idiots.
In game theory terms it’s called Tit for Tat, and it is the most effective way to negotiate in this kind of situation: you cooperate with me, I cooperate with you; you screw me, I screw you. Don’t we all know about human nature and incentives?
I hope you will join my Facebook page “Mad at Congress (for Progressives)”. We could sure use people like you on their to carry the conversation forward.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mad-At-Congress-For-Progressives/153444934672823
Progressive will never vote GOP, but we will be represented, sooner or later.
i dont think that thought (being a servatn of the people) ever entered his mind.
He he he, I’m patting myself on the back for spotting it last July, but I wish with all my heart that my gut was wrong on that one. :(
hahahahhahahhahaha
Hey, Dem….How are you? Was that for any particular comment? Couldn’t tell.
I am now a card carrying member of the Green Party. They are like the dems only not funded by corporations and a bit more environmentally concious.
Sounds like a bunch of jittery Wall Street party funders needed a Presidential visit to soothe their nerves over the Warren appointment.
His comments at a 30,000 per plate dinner, chuckling about how the 1 in 7 Americans that are living in poverty under his administration just can’t see the glass as 1/2 full, might as well have come with a Bushian snicker and shoulder shake. Except Bush did at least offer up a “mistakes were made” now and then, while Obama remains imperially unapologetic.
‘…essentially leaves the healthcare mafia in place, and handing them 31 million more victims is progressive.”
Thank you for the succinct definition of the backroom deal Obummer made in the tear before the vote. Crimes against people takes talent!
working the neigborhood? I’m not sure what that means. any detailed info that you can provide or point to? (books, articles, websites) that shows the steps to working the neigborhood without getting ripped into?
Great Job, Jane. You’ve compiled the all the necessary historical facts. Obama lied to us and tricked us. Now his Health Care Reform Bill is going to cost some of those Democrats their seats – those who toed the line. They also lied to us by signing a pledge to reject a bill without the PO.
Now they want our votes. Too Bad. They suck.
Perfect!
Obama: “…and we haven’t brought about World Peace yet…. hahahaha…because we’re war criminals who have broken all all our promises to stop committing war crimes and close our Guantanamo Bay Gulag….hehehehhe.”
You make a solid case. Obama has implied that he may be a one termer. And Hillary is in an excellent springboard position. The catbird seat.
This is just the guy laughing with his pals at the dumb bitch he’s just using for sex.
No question that Obama is a warmonger’s Warmonger. Easily on par with Dubya and Cheney. He knows all the right people and takes all the right pills.
texaschick is probably a DNC plant.
Feingold took a dive. Every single one took a dive. And they will pay on an early Tuesday in November.
Jane: Check out his speech today. In it there is a lot about how the Democratic Party will never allow us to go back to lobbyist written insurance legislation. It is really quite rich.
He may want to google Liz Fowler…and then fire his speech writer.
What’s always struck me about Obama is that he doesn’t really appear to care deeply about anything. I wonder if he even gets it that some people care passionately. It’s passion that turns out the vote not expediency.
Sure, the economy is bad but Democrats have earned defeat at the polls as well. There is piece in the NYT today about the demoralized union voters. You add peace voters, gay voters, green voters… where do they think they’re going to get voters?
I too am a registered Green. Fool me once, shame on…shame on you, if you fool me you can’t get fooled again.
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
This is progress, we’ve moved from being ridiculed by Gibbs to the President himself. Unfortunately for them and us, they are still going to be the butt of the joke this November.
Too bad, if they took more of our advice, they’d be doing a hell of a lot better for themselves, and for America.
Same story! New day!
As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it).
That really is the worst part. Its one thing to break a campaign promise, everybody changes their mind sometimes. But its John Edwards-league mendacity to keep making promises you know you’ve already broken and will continue to break.
Additional remarks from the speech include :
http://thepage.time.com/remarks-obama-at-dnc-event-greenwich-connecticut-september-16-2010/
“We initiated a financial regulatory reform bill that was obviously contentious — and a lot of folks in Connecticut work on Wall Street and so they’re folks who at some point felt like, are we attacking Wall Street? No. What we want to do is to create a financial system that is vibrant and dynamic and innovative, but also create some rules of the road so we don’t go through what we went through over the last two years. And if we had smart rules that treat consumers fairly and that promotes transparency, that’s going to allow us to stay the leader in financial services for years to come. And it means that we’re going to be able to finance businesses all around the country and around the world that help grow our economy.”
Sounds as he wants to make very sure everyone there knows he is definitely ” not attacking Wall Street”.
FDR: I welcome their hatred!
Obama: I welcome your campaign contribution!
Obama killed the Public Option. I am not making this up. The Public Option had over 60% public support but in Aug. 09 as reported by the NYTimes and corroborated by the White House, President Obama attended a secret White House meeting with Pharma and the Healthcare insurers. He promised them the Public Option would never happen. He then went on pretending to support it. Obama totally and knowingly sold out everyone on an issue that could have passed. He also in that meeting reiterated that there would be no drug re-importation. If anyone would like the like to the NYTimes article I think I still have it.
I’ve said before that I believe Obama was and is the corporate tool to make sure the generational shift that occurred with FDR and then with Reagan (argh!) in politics didn’t and doesn’t happen.
DUMP OBAMA!!!!
You know what? I’m getting really tired of being ripped off and then being insulted on top of it.
Insult to injury, that’s what they’re doing to us and then telling us that everything’s fine.
I’m also tired of MSNBC hosts yelling at me to “go vote” and then treating me like I’m a spoiled child “because I didn’t get everything I wanted”
How about “I didn’t get ANYTHING I WANTED!”
Screw them all
“John Edwards-league mendacity”
nice one
The good news he always punches us whenever he does something concrete. Let’s cross our fingers this concretely progressive action has to do with Warren!
And now we know who you are, Barack. Pity we didn’t know sooner. You’re a turncoat. And I for one do not take kindly to being betrayed.
Now you’ve got an attitude. Wave good-bye, Barack. Wave good-bye.
Obama always says “Democrats” as if it is the other party or as if it is just the “other” and that he is not. I’m sure the patricians of Greenwich who paid $30,000 a plate are neither Republicans or Democrats. They are the Elite who are above both wings of their corporate minion party. They are the Prussians. Otherwise he would say, “We Democrats”…
I was on to this guy in 2007. Read Paul Street, Blackagendareport.com, Kevin Alexander Reed. There are clinical names for what Obama is, but the common phrase is “full of himself.”
Jane, Your best post of the year, thanks for sharing your passion.
Change will happen when our elected Dems understand they can NOT run away from promises made during campaigns, not before. Now, let’s please stop fundraising for the cowards who refused to stand up to Obama when we really needed them to.
The right wingers in the White House keep telling us to vote for Dems. Consider the alternative, they warn. Well, the alternative is here and it is the right wingers in the White House.
The alternative is here and it is Barack Obama.
In the event someone (an intern probably) at the White House is reading these comments:
President Obama,
Are you insane!? Are you trying to single-handedly tank the entire Democratic Party in the coming election? Are you a Republican mole? WTF!!??? I was feeling all warm and fuzzy about the Elizabeth Warren appointment and was ready to forgive and forget and get with the program for November and you open your mouth and insert your foot all the way to the kneecap. What is the matter with you!? Do you need a handler? Why do you have to undo every single little bit of good you do by throwing in a bucket full of Hippie Hate immediately before or after?! Can you stop being a neolib just long enough to get us through the election? Please?
Respectfully,
A non-neolib/neocon (i.e., one of a vast majority of Americans)
Obama, Gibbs, and Axelrod, must all be strong supporters of the NOW movement, because they are all using!
Should a president be telling jokes when 1 and 7 are now poor? Probably Not!
Obama, Gibbs, Rahm, and Axelrod, don’t want to face the music!!! the USA is on life support, and the power bill is about 12 months pass due, and any day now the power company is going to cut the power off, and the hospital does not have any generators.
Obama, Gibbs, and Rahm probably should stop giving speeches, every time they speak lately results in more hate directed toward them.
Obama, Gibbs, Dems in congress, and Rahm are pissed that a large number of people know they are full of crap!!!
Obama aka Con Man, aka Mr Hope A Dope, aka Hoover wanna be, etc. you may want to leave the Jokes to John Stewart. Yes the 100, 1000, people in the room are laughing with you, the problem is the other 250 million HATE YOU!!!
Maybe Bush wasn’t that bad? At least he didn’t get my hopes up.
That we had the most productive, progressive session is a massive lie!
On every metric this country is less democratic, less fair, less just than when this man took over.
Perhaps it was the 8 years of Bush! Obama’s 1st 6 months were under the Bush budget. The financial meldown, and job meltdown happened under Bush. In 19 month Obama created more jobs than Bush did in 8 years.
Please, I am tired of neocons tryimg to rewrite history!
A Poem for Obama!
Obama and Flies I truly Despise
The more I hear about Obama
The more I like Flies!
Apt.
He just confirmed Rahm’s big “F” you middle class liberals.
Fool me once Barack Obama, shame on you!
My letter to congresscritters and Dem party:
Dropping support for instituting Single Payer then dropping demand for the Public Option without honest explanation has won the President great disdain.
Women are very familiar with “You’re just not living in the REAL world, baby” or “You’re living in La-La Land, Sweetheart”. Men and women alike will tell you that you win 0 friends with such attitudes and disrespect. Remember how well that went over when the repubs did it? Well, it’s worse when the Dems do it.
The law of the Land is what Congress SAYS it is. Period. The fact that Congress, the Admin, and the Corps think they have to agree is a false paradigm. The Corps have no official role, and any President is a creature of politics. THis is why the Founders gave the responsibility for legislating to the Congress. Act like it. Reality is what we all create together, and it can change on a dime for the positive and the negative both.
The general American public has polled far more liberal than Congress over the last 30 years. In this day of extremism from the Right MINORITY, the general public has not become more conservative. There truly is little “middle” ground. It’s a mistake to waste the opportunity for the ideas of “change” which ushered the President into the WH with high winning numbers.
Wake. Up.
P.S. The new logo and tagline are rank commercial corporatism. I’m a small d progressive democrat (for now) looking for a party which actively pursues superior, honest legislation for sustainability and humane policy. Cheerleading was george bush’s purview and I’ve had more than enough of that.
I am sad I worked so hard for Obama and he feels he can pass bills that do little for progressives and WE are the ingrates.
Not only did the health-care bill have no public option, it did nothing about the 64 year-old government monopolies called the Health Insurance Industry. They got a windfall, we got the shaft!
The Wall-Street reform bill did nothing about the too large to fail entities and still not one anti-trust suit that I know of has been filed.
Finally, we ingrates who want to stop the tax-cuts for the rich, that even David Stockman (the Author of Reagan’s “Voodoo Economics”) are being chastised by Democrat’s and the president, which if no allowed to sunset, will become a Democratic issue in a presidential election year. Then we will see much of the budget deficit become a permanent fixture for those who pay little in taxes anyway.
Between the president, and the nut-cases on the right, I am totally at a loss what needs to be done to get people like the presidents attention. I would vote him out of office if Clinton would run!
I’m surprised he didn’t find the WMD’s.
The way he, the President, has comported himself and his White House, says to me he is prepared for a republican congress. It seems like he is trying to torpedo the dems, but the first to go will be the blue dogs, so good riddance and I hope he has a miserable two years writing letters to Darell Issa.
For me, BP is the prime example of his complicity with the corporations.
For what most of us thought we had voted for, there would have been some wall street perp walks by now.
One would have thought there would have been a lot of justice department activity about fraud on wall street. Instead, they dropped the AIG case, refused to ‘look back’ on war crimes, and now they have ignored the probable long range damage to the gulf, let alone the deaths of 15 workers.
With BP, the Administration did everything they could to allow BP to obfuscate the damages.
How different would all of this have been if the republicans controlled Congress?
With a republican congress his cat food comission will be given a big listen.
public option – what a vague and nebulous concept. it set itself up for mocking.
medicare for all – much simpler, and easier to grasp
Very well said, Neaguy.
Glass half full, eh?
At least he’ll be happy when, in 2010 and 2012, I vote for half of the ticket–the state and county half–and write in “Public Option for All NOW” in the federal-office slots.
What is it about Democratic leadership that makes its members think that effective, reasonably priced healthcare, a healthy economy, peace, and civil liberties are favors that they are doing us? These things are their JOB. What makes them think that we should joyfully accept the pitifully minute results of their meagre efforts as payment in full on the debt they owe us? They may see delivering 50 cents on the dollar as more than satisfactory and 20 hours as a reasonable effort in a 40-hour work week. But I expect to fire them.
Is this guy smoking crack?
Yeah. Thanks for the historic Health Care Bill. My premium went up by nearly 50%.
And thanks for the Credit Card reform. My APR went up too.
And thanks for HAMP. It would have really helped, but my lender was allowed to “opt out”.
Your policies actually caused damage to my family. Thanks. Dick.
An impeachment of President Pinhead might be seen as doing something constructive for the nation in a convoluted sort of way.
President Pinhead will be telling the public when Social Security is “privatized” that Fancy Feast is in fact pate fois gras.
“Where the left sees the can of fancy feast as half empty, I see it as half full.” My cat actually likes Pro-Plan, that is what I will recommend to the woman who lives below me, a custodian in her 70s making $7 per hour to supplement her late husband’s SS.
It really is a dilemma to try and figure out how to vote this November, as well as how high up the ticket.
Here in PA, we’ve got Sestak trying to best Toomey. Will he succeed? Hell if I know.
“Bon appetite, Suckers.”
“…comfortable around conservatives…”…yes, since his Harvard Law School days. See this link for praise from his conservative colleagues there: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/obama/harvard.html#spurell
I can’t decide whether this dude is Garlic Texas Toast, Parmesan Texas Toast, Mozzarella Monterey Jack Texas Toast, or Five Cheese Texas Toast.
I’m glad he laughed at our expense with the many wall street folks who were likely in attendance. It confirms, (as if that was needed) that his office culture of ‘effing retards’ goes all the way to the top.
I’ll forward you a copy of my new cookbook coming out right after President Pinhead passes the legislation “saving” SS. Loaded with recipes for turning economical ingredients, grass, dog and cat food, sawdust, road kill, etc., into exciting, nutritious and pleasing to the eye meals for the Obama era and beyond. Still working on a title, “Obama’s Repast”, “The Neo-liberal Diet”, “It Ain’t Cake but You’ll Learn to Love It.”
Stealing this from a comment from Glenn Greenwald’s article referred to in the update.
This is an excerpt from FDR’s 1936 speech. The entire speech can be found here. It’s worth reading now, but it will make you even sadder and angrier at Obama:
“If you turn Congress over to the Republican Party then nothing will ever be accomplished.”
I am not seeing that as a bad thing right now. Gridlock is looking pretty good and nothing will expose the real Obama like the need to use the veto pen.
After the dems get badly defeated in Nov. I wonder if Obama will use that to cut Social Security. In other words, his dislike for the middle class and poor and their rejection of him will prompt the gutting of social security even further. Yes, I am saying he is vindictive.
I still maintain an impeachment by a new Congress would be a good thing in a convoluted way. Of course they won’t happen once he let’s the Republicans know that together they can take credit for destroying the last legacy of FDR’s New Deal for the working and middle class.
Nope, not a DNC plant. However, this thread looks more like a right wing Republican thread.
But, ya know what? I didn’t see any big marches in Washington demanding a public option……not one! And, I called everwhere I knew to call begging for someone to organize one. The Tea Party sure showed up to defeat the public option, now didn’t they? Where were we?
Rahm, is that you in drag? It wasn’t the baggers that destroyed the public option it was the President himself.
If you are suggesting that the people here did not work for a good, dignified health care reform bill you are absolutely Wrong. And the news media doesn’t cover liberal marches very well.
“…comfortable around conservatives…”…yes, since his days at Harvard Law School. See this link for praise from his conservative colleagues: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/obama/harvard.html#spurell
The last thing this President wants is to offend the rich, pampered and privileged elites. He wants that for himself. FDR puts this guy to shame.
He wants to be part of the rich corporate plutocracy.
This is just more confirmation of my belief that he campaigned as a progressive or, at the least, a semi-progressive, and was a phony baloney- he is revealed as a climbing-the-ladder member of the corporate plutocracy (or oligarchy, if you wish).
Yes, he’s the lesser of two evils between a Republican, but that’s not good enough anymore.
I don’t think he does, I don’t think he understands who elected him and why.
I emailed my representative and senators twice a week during the HCR negotiations urging support for Medicare-for-all. Once in a while I got an automated reply. Isn’t technology wonderful? Nevertheless, you make a good point. Emails are not telegenic, and the media’s herd instinct amplifies coverage of Tea Party tactics. Progressives need to steal (steal back?) the TP’s tactics. By voting for non-establishment candidates, TPers have monopolized the attention of the Republican leadership and of the media. Progressives need to do the same – in the voting booth. If a Republico-Democrat loses an election by 100 votes in a district where Elizabeth Warren gets 101 write-in votes, maybe the Dems will get the message.
Need I say it again? Nader was right ten years ago. Give the man his due. I worked for him in 2000 and I took the guff from the lame Demos. Nader was fucking vindicated as I knew he would be.
I’m glad people are waking up.
How many more years do we have to wait before we act??? That’s the question my friends. The capitalist system is broken. Where is our glasnost????
Good luck in November.
The people who vote green on the Congress line will help that to happen.
There are a lot of good people down ballot. You shouldn’t punish them just to punish a President who isn’t running. Don’t believe me? Here’s one. In Iowa we have The Egg Problem. Our Secretary of Agriculture is a tool who is funded by Monsanto and the Koch Brothers. His opponent is an organic farmer and PhD who Big Ag is doing everything in their power to defeat. Vote Democratic and you could actually do something for safer food and renewable energy. Vote green and you indirectly vote for the guy who brags about supplying eggs for McMuffins.
Once again, what OFG said.
And no, I’m not his mother : )
Yes, things may then get bad enough that progressive/liberal candidates will have a chance to win in 2012. That’s how the Dems won in ’06 and ’08.
Heh, I edited it out.
Come November, I will not be voting for or against President Obama’s weird watered-down version of progressivism, but I will be voting straight Democratic Party ticket in an attempt to stop the right-wing nuts from doing even more damage to our democracy over and above the severe damage they’ve already done.
In the 2012 Democratic Party primaries and the November 2012 presidential election, on the other hand, I will look at President Obama’s record, including what liberal principles he fought for tooth and nail in Congress, and then decide if he deserves four more years, or if a less Blue Dog Democratic Party candidate, one with more solid liberal ideals and a more consistent, less-compromising liberal track record, deserves the Democratic Party nomination.
In the meantime, I will always vote for any Democrat running against any Republican, because any vote today for any Republican is a vote for the Tea Party nutjobs, who are as clueless as George W. Bush was and as mean as Dick Cheney was. It is time to stop this Tea Party madness before this conservative cancer gets even more virulent and destructive to our democracy and the future of our nation’s children.
So progressives need to distinguish between nominees on the Dem ticket – some are really progressive and others are cryptoRepublicans. Sounds reasonable.
Yeah, right. I can’t remember one thing in my forty some odd years that the Dems have done to help ME or regular slobs getting by on a slave labor pay check. Epic fail, as the young uns say. Sell that crazy to some other gullible fool.
The 2 party state is all for the big jowled white man in a bidness suit. Barry Oilbummer is their leader.
Hmmm,,,,empty words or not?
I just saw on “The Rachel Maddow Show” That at that same fund-raising dinner, he said, “We’re not about to let this government be taken over by the corporations.”
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If I had known someone had already responded to it, I wouldn’t have edited it out. But I just thought it really wasn’t worth it. Texaschick is a partisan Democrat, not a progressive, and talking to an extreme partisan is probably a waste of time.
So I edited it out. Sorry about that since it looks weird now after you responded.
Hostis humanis generis. Too bad about the Preemptive Health Insurance Bailout bill, but given unconstitutional kill lists, torture coverup in violation of international agreements and national law, indefinite detention, selective trial by kangaroo court, and state secrets uber alles, I believe there are a few more pressing problems.
Sometimes it appears as though Obama wants a GOP Congress. He then can blame everything that follows either on them or us for handing them power by not coming out. Of course he’d better lawyer up because Issa and the rest are going to be wanting to take a closer look at that Birth cert among other docs. No boom this time to save this guys sorry ass like it saved Billy goats in the 90′s. This time they want a J. Carter type scenario with another movement Conservative ( AKA Sarah Palin) to ride to the rescue singing, it’s morning once again in America.
New here to FDL. What a great group of true progressives. Thank you so much Jane for kickin’ some serious ass on this article and on (Cenk) the Dillan Radigan show today. It warmed my heart to finally see someone speak the truth on MSM as to why we are pissed about the HCR bill. YEAH, we’re pissed because it did virtually nothing for US!! No Medicare for all, no public option, just more give aways to the corporatists. Again, great work Jane. And great comments by all.
I voted for BO and will not make that mistake again. Everyone here pretty much covered all my other feelings on the matter. As a life long (d)em since ’71, I will never associate with the two party fraud system again.
Registering as an Indy forever more. They will not take us for granted ever again. F-’em.
… maybe they’re just smart enough to know when they’ve been conned….
But maybe not shrewd enough to realize when they’re getting conned.
Nice try, but not good enough anymore. I couldn’t care less if the Tea party takes over Congress. They’ll move right on to Impeaching Barry and we’ll all get to watch as he spends all his time answering lawyers questions. The GOP isn’t going to allow any job creation for another 3 yrs. at least so they can campaign in 2012 against a failed president and his dying party. No boomlet for Barry just lawyers and legal briefs.
The guy who came up with the idea of writing in “public option” or voting for a left party in national races (US Senate and House) does NOT recommend that for downballot races.
No worries.
I read through a bunch of comments and made a mental note to respond to yours @ 111, since it summed up my feelings so well. In my haste I may have gone back and responded to the wrong one.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
For the people who say we must support obama: where do you draw the line? Is it lying, murder, child rape, what?
There is only one party. It has two faces.
The current plan is for the Republican face to gain control of Congress to give cover to the Democratic face for the next agenda item which is the destruction of Social Security.
Agree.
Interesting to see the posts about how there is “no other choice” but to vote for Dems to save us from the scarey Republicans and then to read this AP piece
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100918/ap_on_el_ge/us_desperate_democrats
where the strategist is telling the Dem party gurus that they have to get out there and pound home the message that … the REpublicans are really scarey and there is no other choice but the Dems.
I get more and more of a feeling that this administration wants a GOP Congress and Senate win in November. All language coming from the WH just says this to me. I really don’t think they care about the base because this is about Wall Street, not working people.
In his article, “Democracy in America is a Useful Fiction”, Hedges defines “inverted totalitarianism”:
“Inverted totalitarianism represents “the political coming of age of corporate power and the political demobilization of the citizenry [...] Inverted totalitarianism differs from classical forms of totalitarianism, which revolve around a demagogue or charismatic leader, and finds its expression in the anonymity of the corporate state. The corporate forces behind inverted totalitarianism do not, as classical totalitarian movements do, boast of replacing decaying structures with a new, revolutionary structure. They purport to honor electoral politics, freedom and the Constitution. But they so corrupt and manipulate the levers of power as to make democracy impossible.”
Obama never really wanted to fight the health care fight. Hillary and others had to drag him to wanting Universal Coverage. Historic bill that is already being fought over the tax provisions–not to mention those pesky constitutional law suits. The only thing I don’t understand from everyone is this Clinton was not a true Democrat stuff. Sorry but he was a good and could have been great President (if he kept his fly zipped).
Also don’t look now but I like Chris Christie in NJ too!
Democrats need to get real about Education reform (yes this means the teachers unions need to be fought) and anyone who is abusing the system. Christie’s said public employees who have abused the pension and benefits system should be stopped. Nothing wrong with that. And guess what its time for public employees to join the world as we know it. Employment has changed in the past 20 years and they need to change too.
Nah. Maddow’s accusing Bill Clinton of being the “best Republican President” was absurd. The Republicans were not about to raise taxes on the rich,the health plan that just passed was the Republican alternative to Clinton Care, no Republican, indeed few Democrats, in that time were arguing to allow gays to serve openly in the military, Clinton allowed Newt Gingrich to shut down the federal government to save Medicare from draconian cuts, and he was a competent excutive. He’s not a Republican. And, for Maddow to argue that, and then in the same breath argue Obama has passed the most progressive agenda since FDR, is an insult to reason.
My illustration of Barack Obama’s imperial arrogance.
I too voted for BHO (& worked for his campaign)! AND (ARRGH!) even gave some money!! How foolish … well, no more. I will never vote for Repugnicans, and will vote for Boxer & Jerry Brown, but mainly against Carly & Meg. And I will actively support a primary challenge against Obama!
Let’s see if I’ve got this right…..Today, the so-called Progressive Movement gets a TRUE champion to build a consumer protection agency with “juice”….The appointment includes a “Special Assistant to the President” designation (the same designation that Rahm and Valerie Jarrett have)…The appointment is a smooth move that beats back the Barbarians while insuring that the Agency get’s up and running WITHOUT 100 “experts” in the Senate, gumming up the works…On this very day, our favorite blogger is lashing against the POTUS for calling out SOME in his base for the “half empty” view….Gee, I wonder how he could have come to THAT conclusion?
Given Obama’s history of moving every independent power base in the democratic party that he could into his hands, I’d say you are correct.
If the glass has three drops of water in it, is it half full or half empty? Which view is closer to the truth?
For the most part voting for the democrats will do no good at all. We need to start working now at the grass roots level to control the party, but the end result won’t be seen for years, unfortunately. Voting for people who actually lied about health care, and about the wars and about torture and about regulating the financial industry. What will that get us. Not a lot. But as has been said if we vote and work for them after they’ve laughed in our faces then we deserve what we get.
Experience is a good teacher, we’ve been let down too many times already to see this as more than window dressing until proven otherwise. Even this moron gets it.
Edit: sorry, this was supposed to be a response @223.
It’s easy to see how “Clarence Thomas” Obama came to that conclusion, he read it on a card.
It’s a small bone, diggy, that’s all, nothing more. Are you honestly comparing the impact Warren’s appointment can have to the lost opportunity of the SHAMEFUL HCR (in name only) Bill Obama pesonally pushed through? Obama sold for beads a once in thirty year chance to effect real, critically needed HCR change and you’re suggesting we should get excited by the temporary appointment of EW to work UNDER GEITHNER?
If you want excitement check out how much PHARMA stocks went up leading into the passing of the HCR Bill & how much Finance stocks went down leading into Warren’s appointment.
…Reddflagg…..You’ve just confirmed Obama’s point…. Completely.
Wow, I clearly don’t belong on this site since I like Obama. However, I will grant you this…you will get your wish. Republicans will take over the Congress (my guess is both houses) and the health care reform bill will be defunded right out of the gate. So now we’re back to square one.
However, here’s the problem. Republicans are also going to inhabit the majority of governors seats so, also right out of the gate, they are going to redistrict out all the democrats. Democratic congressional majorities -much less progessive democrats – are therefore out for at least the next decade. So what’s left? Either 1) try to see if single payer can be tried in those few democratic leaning states that will be left after this election and hope that if it’s successful, it will catch on 2) Try to make friends with the tea party who will be running the show for Republicans from here on out. However, based on how the tea party town halls referred to the uninsured and “anecdotal health insurance sob stories” I’d try the state route first.
You’re right that the thread looks like a right wing thread with your attempt to empower the Tea Party.
“The appointment is a smooth move that beats back the Barbarians while insuring that the Agency get’s up and running WITHOUT 100 “experts” in the Senate, gumming up the works…On this very day, our favorite blogger is lashing against the POTUS for calling out SOME in his base for the “half empty” view….Gee, I wonder how he could have come to THAT conclusion?”
By your own description Obama is evading the checks-and-balances enshrined in our Constitution.
“Republicans will take over the Congress (my guess is both houses) and the health care reform bill will be defunded right out of the gate. So now we’re back to square one.”
You’re doing a good job talking up Republicans. I’d certain rather be at square one than be transported back to the middle ages by being turned into a WellPoint serf.
“Democratic congressional majorities -much less progessive democrats – are therefore out for at least the next decade.”
So let’s see with Democratic majorities they pass trillion dollar corporate welfare and cheer on as the President assassinates citizens and indefinitely detains whoever he wants – so tell how it matters whether the party that controls Congress begins with a D or an R.
It appears that Obama is not the most attentive person in Washington. Last night at Conyer Farm he said with a straight face:
He should look at who wrote his own Health Care Bill. Does he actually think we still believe a word he says?
We are the ones they’ve been blaming for…
the lack of enthusiasm
the bad polls
the elections loses to come
and etc.
A health care bill without a public option is worse than nothing, and can’t reasonably be considered “a glass half-full”. Not only will I still not be able to afford access to health care because I cannot pay a $5k deductible, I will be fined $900 by the IRS. Worse than nothing.
Very good. Really captures his haughty superiority complex. A fitting title would be President Pinhead.
The 1st mate on the Titanic really liked Captain Smith.
Clinton:
* got rid of Aid to Families with Dependent Children,
* passed NAFTA which cost many American jobs,
* deregulated Wall Street, which led to the subprime mainia that has cost the baby boomers their retirements: wiped out their equity in their homes, deflated their 401K by half, and left ther pension programs underfunded by trillions of dollars.
His economic policy of deregulation was essentially an implementation of Reagan’s neoliberal battle cry: “Unleash the miracle of the unfettered free market.”
It’s absolutely fair to call those policies Republican.
It’s a bad habit with our Pretendident. Back when he was still the “presumptive nominee” he told Hillary supporters the same thing -
I agree – a better response by Obama would be to throw the “professional left” a bone or two -
but that is not going to happen – we are just a laugh line, and indeed past promises made to us are just laugh lines.
At the same time that we get Elizabeth Warren, we get this Milton Freedman acolyte/comedian for balance as chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers:
‘Irresponsible’ Mortgages Have Opened Doors to Many of the Excluded
A study conducted by Kristopher Gerardi and Paul S. Willen from the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston and Harvey S. Rosen of Princeton, “Do Households Benefit from Financial Deregulation and Innovation? The Case of the Mortgage Market” (National Bureau of Economic Research Working Paper 12967), shows that the three decades from 1970 to 2000 witnessed an incredible flowering of new types of home loans. These innovations mainly served to give people power to make their own decisions about housing, and they ended up being quite sensible with their newfound access to capital.
These economists followed thousands of people over their lives and examined the evidence for whether mortgage markets have become more efficient over time. Lost in the current discussion about borrowers’ income levels in the subprime market is the fact that someone with a low income now but who stands to earn much more in the future would, in a perfect market, be able to borrow from a bank to buy a house. That is how economists view the efficiency of a capital market: people’s decisions unrestricted by the amount of money they have right now.
And this study shows that measured this way, the mortgage market has become more perfect, not more irresponsible. People tend to make good decisions about their own economic prospects. As Professor Rosen said in an interview, “Our findings suggest that people make sensible housing decisions in that the size of house they buy today relates to their future income, not just their current income and that the innovations in mortgages over 30 years gave many people the opportunity to own a home that they would not have otherwise had, just because they didn’t have enough assets in the bank at the moment they needed the house.”
I think the Republican Party is about to implode. And that’s being counted on. A great deal of non-extreme GOPers, in 2012, will cross over, having feelings that Team Red has left them. And, at the same time, those on the left/progressives aren’t going to deny Team Blue their presidential vote.
We’re going to see an Electoral College victory for President Obama in the 400s. (The first since 1988.)
2010 is overrated. Just as most midterms are. I believe this president and his administration and trusted advisors really don’t have a problem with not only losing the congressionals but in seeing the other team take over at least one of the two houses in Congress. It’ll give Americans a reminder of what [Republicans] have to offer. And it’ll be quite interesting seeing them be blended with tea-partiers.
Progressive policies, for both social and political, aren’t happening not because they can’t sell. It’s because of big-money. That’s why the Democratic Party is craven. The cycle just continues.
disagree – indeed feel it is nonsense
What you list is basically listening to Greenspan and Rubin – in an era when MIT’s Samuelson had not yet shown that trade treaties are not always good for everyone. Indeed NAFTA does not show job loss – but it does show lower paid jobs replacing higher paid jobs – and in that sense is a failure. Wall Street was regulated by the FED – not Clinton – and Greenspan refused to regulate it and with GOP controlling Congress Greenspan could not be fired. G-S never applied to investment banks – and it was investments in the US and across the world that led us down the hole – faster after Bush remove what little restraint there was in effect. The Welfare reform was a success – a better life seems to have evolved for those in the system. That piece of the safety net seems to have had whatever tears the reform caused fixed quickly. Clinton has stated he was in error to listen to Rubin (he had no choice on Greenspan). Why Obama chose Rubin disciples after Clinton told him not to I credit to the staff’s “hate Hillary” mind set.
Rachel and Susan are a wonderful couple – and I have supported Rachel for a decade. But this one she screwed up on by believing the liar Newt and books that quote Newt.
I was so irritated at the Democrats attitudes and rightward shift, I made one of those text-to-movies about it:
http://youtu.be/9qq3Jb7BpWs
It’s going to be a loooooooong next 2 years….sigh…
I’m not talking up Republicans.. just reading the polls and looking at voter turnout to date. The problem of being back to square one is that while I know you hate the current bill, I don’t see your serfdom status changing anytime soon with Republican majorities. As for your other comment, fine..if you feel that way then either don’t vote or vote for whoever you want that best speaks to your point of view. All I’m saying is that the perceived very liberal McGovern got crushed in 1972 in an anti-war era and Ralph Nader got a smidgeon of the vote in his elections. Tea Party candidates did much better than expected while progressive candidates with the exception of that woman in New Hampshire did not. I’m just realistic. Based on what I’ve seen, this is not a country that will ever embrace a progressive or liberal agenda on a national level.
Welfare reform was an unfair policy, in my opinion, however, I would just like to hear one Democrat on the national stage ever make the case for re-instating is. Howard Dean hasn’t. Barack Obama hasn’t. John Edwards in his progressive stage didn’t. NAFTA was not only supported by the Right. That’s just not true. Such notable Righties as Paul Krugman supported it. Indeed, few economists, Left or Right, are against global trade. As for Glass-Steagall, Bill Clinton should not have endorsed the repeal, at least not without significant new regulations, there’s an argument to be made that GS was outdated, at any rate, do remember that it was passed by a veto proof majority. It wasn’t the Bill Clinton Glass-Steagall repeal of 1999. Finally, it is STILL absurd to claim Bill Clinton was the “best Republican President”. Here is a President who, among other things, appointed Breyer and Ginsburg to the Supreme Court, easily the Court’s most liberal justices. What Republican President was going to do that? Heck, Obama’s picks have been to the right of these two.
Sorry, Rachel Maddow is wrong. Bill Clinton was NOT a Republican President. He may not have been a liberal President, BUT he was no Republican. And, Obama, has not passed the most progressive agenda since FDR. Both arguments are absurd.
Wouldn’t it be nice if the Democrats all said “No” for 2 years!
That won’t happen. They can’t even say “no” to the Republicans who are outnumbered and not in power. Perhaps a rename to the “party of Wimp” is in order!
And the same would go for you if you support someone in 2012 who is going to get 3% of the vote.
Now that Obama is unapologetically trying to feed democratic progressives to the american right wing like they were a can of Alpo, it’ll be interesting to see what the loyalists like Kos and Digby have to say about that little comedy routine he ran at the dinner.
I suspect they’ll ignore it…just as the bush supporters ignored George Bush’s ignorant perversion of the truth.
Now wait a minute, ‘Blue; you’re posting on a thread which is focused on the FACT that Barack Obama just came out of the Benedict Arnold closet and ridiculed progressive democrats to the world…and on this thread there are a couple of hundred posts basically telling him to go shit in his political hat, practically all of them coming from people like me who supported him and were delighted with his big win, and you’re talking about the REPUBLICANS imploding?
I admit they have their own problems, trying to hang onto the likelihood of a historic resuscitation of the GOP while their crazies go about the business of scaring the living shit out of a substantial majority of american voters, but they don’t have to deal with a president, one whom progressives were instrumental in putting into the White House, who has now turned on them like a smiling-but-rabid cur dog.
In the next few months, you’ll have a much better understanding of the meaning of the word “implode”.
Palin/Beck in 2012!
Since when did the right ever create a “Boom Economy”? Seems to me is all you leave are massive deficits and post-election recessions in your wake. Perhaps you can tell us where republicans were in Eco 101 when they talked about a balanced budget as it seems you have never passed one!
The only thing that Republicans have ever done is used the backs of laborers, including children, ad nauseum!
Location where those comments made and the laughter which ensued shows how far from the reality President is. I am beginning to wonder what sort of universe they are in. Obviously people there are loving it and laughing because of the gravy train filled by hard-working people brought to them by the Executive Branch for a token campaign donation and probably corporate positions for a chosen few in the administration.
Jane, thanks for all the work in putting country on the right path even-though not successful always. Without fight it will be even worse. We would have had mother of all regressive taxes like VAT. It is because of people like you we have the Audit the Fed, Government run student loan program, Partial Derivative oversight, recently a token victory in the selection of Mrs Warren to the inner circle in a minor position, enlightening the congress on catfood commission scam and its long term consequences of its undemocratic, illogical, immoral unmandated agenda trying to make our economy Depression Prone removing the only huge thing immune to Wall Street hissy fits i.e. 30 to 40% of our economy which runs on social security payments by treasury. Still the financial bill was not even perfect. As a blogger pointed how can SEC provide oversight on wall street when it cannot explain how the 30 min steep drop happened in may. We in the blogging community know the context when it happened and could make a good guess.
Coming back to Public Option it just required a minimum majority and it could been passed with budget reconciliation vote told many many times. Gov. Dean was the only one who was pushing for that approach. I could see the anger I was feeling when it was dropped reflected in him too on the TV when he said the kill the bill. No wonder paid MSM keeps on making fun of his campaign speech which I never understood till I saw during HCR bill WaPo editor was soliciting funds to write for or against the issue. I guess above Greenwich crowd will not love anybody who puts a stop to these sort of Gravy trains.
Government enforced Mandates for any sort of Private sector which works for shareholder profits is not good long term health of our Economy and its supremacy in the world. If every sector of our economy does it citing that as a precedent we will become a rightist totalitarian country. I am hoping our courts will toss it out or else Republicans do it.
Shops keep bounced checks as a warning to others. Can we keep this campaign promise and opposite action as a collection against major politician name icons in a folder always available to ensure some accountability & honesty on congress, senate and executive branch which we are trying to get.
Even worse is every company in the country will try to get the same benefits citing above mandates as a precedent. They do not have to compete for our business. Just sit and demand money for a crappy product.
Sooner the courts kick this mandate out it is better. Or else Republicans will do that which is even worse for Democrats in future races.
and that is why we have Third Way Democrats running the better portions of FDR’s legacy into the ground?
Third Way! – Clinton, Obama current crop of our reps in both houses avowed centrists. Are you a centrist or a progressive?
Beautiful!
“Palin/Beck in 2012″
With you there, Bayroad. The only hope we have left is that the republicans are lunatic enough to run this pair who are as crazy as a couple of shithouse rats…
(As Steve Gilliard used to put it, rest his good soul…in fact, if he were still here and blogging, he’d be tearing Obama a new asshole, 24-7.)
I see what you’re referring to but I don’t think it was meant that way. Syntax in haste, re-write at leisure.
What’s really funny is that on the day that FDL gets its most fervent wish that it has been bitching & moaning about for months and Elizabeth Warren is named a presidential adviser and head of the new Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection…Jane chooses to post about a perceived slight in a lighthearted speech by the president. It’s almost like the mission here is nurturing grievances rather than acknowledging that something that progressives wanted done by the administration, you know, GOT DONE. It’s almost like nothing that Obama does will ever be good enough for the former Hillary/Edwards/Dean/Kucinich/Nader/Any Given Backup Quarterback supporters around here who worked sooooo hard to elect Obama (ahem) because there will always be a movable goalpost to whine over or a bit of perceived disrespect to get all huffy about. Oh wait…that was the President’s point in the first place.
Yeah, they don’t count the Green votes. Great democracy we’ve got.
There’s some truth in what you say, until you examine the electoral climate.
Obama sends Biden out to the Maddow show to chide Progressives and beg them back into the process, and two days later Obama himself raps the Left for expecting more than was their due, even though he explicitly signed on to what the Left is hounding him about.
He is the worst message President I have ever seen.
I have to agree.
And I will take exception to your use of the word “beg.” IMHO, “finger-wag” would be closer to what I saw him do. Do these Democratic leaders think that can mock and finger-wag us into enthusiasm? I’m seeing a constant parade of this stuff from Gibbs, Biden, Clinton, Obama, Lanny Davis, and I’m sure there’s a lot more going on.
I stand corrected by a little more than 50%. It was a beg, but it was also a wag. And a threat.
Sometimes I wonder who is more clueless to reality. The teabaggers or the Obamabots. Damn it’s a close one.
We GOT Elizabeth Warren?
What we got is an “adviser” who is going to have to kiss Timothy Geithner’s ass for permission to the lady’s room.
Obama spent a month or more dangling her in front of progressives like a little piece of costume jewelry. Jane, and most progressives, wanted her to have that bureau free and clear, with full independence and reporting only to him.
Now, he’s given her a desk in the Oval Office broom closet and a toy computer. That she allowed herself to be used like this, and then licked Obama’s hand while he was doing it, DOES make me glad that this whole thing is like some static Kabuki-in-ice-sculpture. It’ll melt and go away. After his stand-up comedy last night, as his presidency is doing the same thing, it will be poetic justice, and will also give us the chance to try to repair not only bush’s lunacy, but Obama’s, in sustaining so much of that lunacy.
New Democratic party plank:
Let’s find all the people who were right, and let them run the joint.
in my dreams
Newt, it wasn’t, and aint, rocket science…there are a lot of us. :o)
I’ve totally given up on the idea that he’s been bamfoozled into taking a weekly crap on progressives. Last night, that train got hi-jacked down to a bogus “ranch” in Crawford, Texas. He knows exactly what he’s doing.
By feeding us to the right wingers, he’s hoping to hang on to enough seats to not lose both of his duck-legs in six weeks. He’s a very slow learner; throwing democrats to the GOP hounds only increases their appetite for more.
God bless you, Jane! Keep up the good fight!
Agreed. The dream that Obama ‘surrounded himself with spectacularly incompetent dolts’ as explaining his complete dissonance to public policy, is dead.
And to papau @ 244
FWIW here is exactly what Rachel said:
[emphasis mine]
The point is that she was talking about “the policies that he passed” and not, for example, his supreme court appointments. Ronald Reagan’s key campaign issues in 1979 and 1980 were:
* “Welfare Queens” Clinton repealed AFDC.
* “Unleash the miracle of the unfettered marketplace.” Clinton repealed GS and many other regulation.
* “A North American Agreement [that will produce] a North American continent in which the goods and people of the three countries will cross boundaries more freely.” Clinton passed NAFTA.
You may approve of those policies, but they were introduced into presidential politics by Ronald Reagan, making them “Republican policies.”
I doubt Obama is going to run for a second term anyway. Who in their right mind would want to put their family thru the hatred and vile smears and lies that the Ingrahams, Limbaughs and Hannities continually do via Fox news. Laura Ingraham is the phoniest so-called Christian of all of them just for the mere fact she wears her religion on her sleeve. They and the rest of the teabaggers are wolves in sheeps clothes.
I started to write a diary on Biden’s display of attitude that evening but ran out of energy. By the next morning Greg Levine had said everything I wanted to say and much more far better than I could have said it. I was most grateful.
This isn’t a good strategy. Try to take a step forward that doesn’t involve voting for Democrats.
That traitor Leiberman was the main phony Dem. that got the public option axed. Then Republican Blanch-Lincoln was the other on the house side. Yes, she is a Republican. After that, Obama and the rest fell in line. If this crap happens with caving in the the tax-cuts for the wealthy, I will be at the registars office the next day changing my affiliation fro Dem. to Independent. That’s a promise.
It would be nice to think that. It’s easy, though, to think that they will get things accomplished, and to not want to think of what they are.
I saw that. I think I detected steam under a lot of pressure in that post.
Who needs voters when you’re set for life?
It was a really good week hearing Rachel’s interview with Uncle Joe, Warren’s appointment and then hearing Obama warning about the Corp. takeover. When he said they shouldn’t be allowed to write laws I began to wonder what he was talking about as they are writing laws and he should have said that he wants to get them out of the process.
Jane has brought reality back into focus and I am just going to keep focused on those who keep their promises.
I guess I’m back to my rant about who’s able to mount a primary challenge against the Pres.??
Actually Obamarahma killed the public option long before Droopy Dog took the fall for it.
You don’t think Obama has an EGO
Aren’t you the least bit suspicious of the Obama administration’s DLC core?
Who wouldn’t?
Dear Glenn, if Barack Obama thought that the republicans and their attack dogs were going to cut him one inch of slack, then he’s even stupider than he’s shown all along.
I’ll go you one better: if he had hit the ground running when he came in; if, in his first 30 days, he had begun the closing of the prison at Gitmo, and finished it in 60 days; if he’d run a good, stout, HCR bill, with a real public option up to the hill and dared the GOP to filibuster it, and if they did, KEPT running it up; in short, if he’d confronted the assholes at every turn, instead of bending over for them, then he would have looked like Captain America to the legions of people who voted for him.
And THAT is what would have kept the asshats like Limbaugh and Beck and Palin under the troll bridge.
Instead, he’s created this leadship vacuum the size of the Grand Canyon, and the right wing jerks that he’s done rehab on, are only too happy to fill it with their bullshit. Now, he’s got the idea of demonstrating his “leadership” by dumping on progressives. I have no interest in being his buttboy while he moves to the right even more.
And I don’t care who else’s mileage may vary.
jim Hightower ?!
This is indeed very likely. The country will be worse off for it, of course.
If you want to meet the real loyalists, look st the Rec List over at DailyKos.com — some of those people make Kos look like Che Guevara.
Exactly. And Jane even predicted months ahead of time that Obama would get Lieberman to do the honors, so his own finger prints would not be on the public option’s corpse.
I’d support him.
Exactly. I’ve never seen such hagiography as I’ve seen over there. To many of them, Obama is God’s gift to progressive politics. On the other hand there are plenty of kossacks who are now getting it.
Yeah, the problem here is that the whole of the Democratic Party looks at present like it is on the Martha Coakley Plan For Victory. Sure, they’re better than the Republicans — there is, however, no future in them either.
Indeed there are many Kossacks who are getting it. Kos’s website is not to be dismissed — it has a reputation for getting an extremely high hit count, hundreds of thousands of visitors per day or something like that… sorry, I don’t have exact figures…
Not to mention being the first Black President in a country full of racists. I concur.
Thank you Jane. I suppose the last president who stiffed his base like this was George H.W. Bush breaking his “read my lips, no new taxes” pledge. The GOP base revolted and it was the impetus for Pat Buchanan launching his 1992 primary challenge. Presidents who face serious primary challengers don’t get re-elected (Taft, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Bush I).
On another note, I was driving home this evening and, out of the blue, started laughing about the opening credits of American Maniacs, where Robert Downey, Jr. (as the Geraldo-like host) is shown personally kicking in a door for a police raid (12 seconds in). Hilarious! I hadn’t seen it since Natural Born Killers came out and I just now remember you produced that, so thanks for that too. :o)
There are already expensive media buys for Hillary ’12. The economy however is likely to implode before then. So, if there is gridlock in congress, it will be impossible to ascribe blame to either Party for the subsequent misery. That may be the bipartisan plan right now.
Not to mention Ross Perot!
Really? Where can I find out more about this?
Oh great, another DLC third-way Democrat. We need a different system.
I was treated to a 30 spot – LA market.
Someone who has transcended his grasping ego.
Are you expecting a President to be someone of that sort?
Have you read Murray Edelman’s “Constructing The Political Spectacle”? Edelman lays out the secret of success in politics — the shortest route to appeal to the masses (while at the same time filling one’s campaign treasure chest with the proceeds from the richest) is by creating political spectacles. Political spectacles are fantasy exhibitions in which “good guys” and “bad guys” are staged in the political realm, and “problems” are invented which demand “solutions” from the “good guys.” Political spectacles are generally harmful to anything you or I would call real politics.
Barack Obama, like all successful politicians, made his success by parlaying his acquisition of political offices through the persistent use of political spectacles.
Now, I’m gathering that if this is the process, grasping egos are the norm.
Could you translate this for me from jargon to conversational English please?
The tone of the Obamabots is either sneering/condescending or passive aggressive/patronizing.
And they expect that to close our “enthusiasm gap”?
“A dentist from Chicago created a television advertisement promoting Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as a candidate for president in 2012, Politico reported Friday.
The ad, which cost William DeJean $5,000 to create, declares Clinton “has more experience working in and with the White House than most living presidents,” and calls her “one of the most admired women in our nation’s history.”
“Let’s make sure the president we should have elected in 2008 will be on the ballot in 2012,” the ad reads.
The 30-second spot concludes, “Start now. Where there’s a Hill, there’s a way.”
“I’m a dentist, and I don’t think this country is headed in the right direction,” DeJean, who contributed to Clinton’s failed 2008 White House run, told CNN.
The commercial first ran in New Orleans on Wednesday, and DeJean said he hopes to also air it in Washington, New York and Los Angeles.
Clinton has said she will not make another presidential run, and most Americans agree with that decision. According to a Fox News poll released Friday, just 12 percent of voters would want Clinton to run for president in 2012.”
$ 5000 to create but who is paying for the major market placement?
But there it is; an educated man, a dentist does not appear to understand that New Democrat, DLC, Third Way, is all the same Reaganite, Thacherite free market voodoo economics that has given us this already 1st fucking lost decade!?
It’s appalling and pathetic. Rahm is like some has-been punk rock act playing the state fair: “aw, c’mon assholes, you know you love me” as the three people left in the audience boo and throw cups of beer at him.
He’s too busy charging $1,500 for a root canal.
Haim Saban?
Thanks.
Someone with lots of leverage loves him.
Does it not get much clearer than the obvious?
“The New Democrat Coalition was founded in 1997 by Representatives Cal Dooley (California), Jim Moran (Virginia) and Timothy J. Roemer (Indiana) as a congressional affiliate of the avowedly centrist Democratic Leadership Council, whose members, including former President Bill Clinton, call themselves “New Democrats.” As of July 2009, the House New Democrats are chaired by Representative Joseph Crowley (New York), with Vice-Chairs Representatives Melissa Bean (Illinois), Ron Kind (Wisconsin), Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania) and Adam Smith ( Washington), who also serves as chair of the group’s political action committee.
The Senate New Democrat Coalition was founded in the spring of 2000 by Senators Evan Bayh (Indiana), Bob Graham (Florida), Mary Landrieu (Louisiana), Joe Lieberman (Connecticut), and Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas).[2]“
True that — he sure doesn’t need our love. I’ll bet every corpse in Cook County is voting for him.
Other things being equal, I prefer Republicans to centrist Democrats, because Republicans don’t get a say in who leads the Democrats.
heh, – share your feelings.
What is it with Obamabots and Democratic Party loyalists that they flat out refuse to see the obvious in this 30 year trend line plotting the demise of the middle class??
http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/manufacturing.png
Why can’t the middle class themselves see it. Why do they have to worry about gay marriage when their class interests are at stake.
Obama commission of vampires that we sent to overhaul the blood banks issues their recommendations of December 1. This is not going to be good for the middle class.
Perhaps Elizabeth Warren can drive slay them.
Fuck middle class tax cuts. What America needs are middle class jobs.
Actually, placement costs for a limited run can be far, far lower than you’d expect, thanks to a government reg which requires stations and broadcasters and cable outlets to sell ad time at the very lowest (non-profit late night) rate during defined election cycles. (Defined election cycles mean from “X” number of days prior to an election, and lowest rate means that they have to sell you the 3:00 a.m. price even during prime time.) With cable (i.e. CNN, ESPN, MSNBC, etc.) you can buy specific local areas for fabulously cheap rates. I’ve been involved in local city council races (town of 65,000 people) where a spot on Time Warner cable during a CNN show ran for like $45. I mean, at times it can be really, really cheap.
The cost comes in when you need to saturate an entire big state.
DUMP OBAMA!
Dump him hard!!
We need a president whose heart is not half full.
Time for a Dump Obama movement
The Welfare reform was a success – a better life seems to have evolved for those in the system.
what in gawd’s name are you talking about? clearly, you know 0 about life on welfare today, or what it was like before “reform.” or the fact that fewer and fewer people are allowed to qualify for benefits. sorry, that’s just so incorrect i had to point this out. i mean, krist. they’re kicking off 17 and 18 year old orphans, in my state. it’s that bad, and if you’re down on your luck, good luck getting anything from the state that’s even close to enough to support your family.
So much happier as an expat.
“The Welfare reform was a success – a better life seems to have evolved for those in the system.”
I guess papau doesn’t get out much.
To him/her I say: Your idea of success apparently differs from mine. Bill Clinton’s so-called “welfare reform” was a reenactment of the welfare policies of Adolph Hitler’s Nazi Party. You can read about it in Richard J. Evan’s book, The Coming of the Third Reich.
The economic goals of a corporatist (i.e., fascist) government were the same then as they are now.
“We need a president whose heart is not half full.”
Very nice. But it begs the question of what his heart is half full of. I would suggest it to be half full of bullshit to accompany the other half which consists of empty promises.
Wow!
Remember when Obama’s campaign of change & hope was billed as a grass roots effort backed largely by the largest donations coming from those contributing less than one hundred dollars.
Of course that glass is half full in Greenwich, CT. They are the bankers, titans of Wall Street, the ridiculously wealthy who got the tax payer funded bailout to cover their wild and dangerous speculation. They have been unfairly rewarded by Bush and Obama for their crimes and absolute incompetence.
Shame on you Barack Obama for being insensitive to the 1 in 7 Americans who live in poverty due to the game of pay to play in Washington. That is the corrupt system you promised you would change by exposing and ending it.
All I got out of your HCR is a 38% increase in premiums and a 10% increase in prescription drugs. Financial reform? There are less banks. They are a bigger and pose more of a systemic risk than before.
And let’s not forget the greatest threat to mankind is global warming, which you get an “F” on for lack of leadership.
Three weeks before the BP disaster, you tried to sell America that offshore drilling is safe. So maybe you are really not any smarter than Sarah Palin who tried to do the same.
Nice Job! That would look good on a DUMP OBAMA t-shirt.
I think the Democrats already ARE a conservative party.
This is an even better reason to write-in Public Option on election day. The President himself seems aware of its significance, and it will express the disgust of this formerly registered Democrat quite clearly.
Well, it’s certainly nice to see such an overwhelming majority of those here on the same page (the page I’ve been on for the past 6+ years, so I’m pretty used to the shrill castigations by establishment Dembots that are still getting interspersed here – though thankfully pretty rarely now).
Which begs the question, what are we going to DO about this? How do we get the message out beyond the cloistered halls of FDL, especially given how often these halls are getting ridiculed by the Democratic establishment these days (I include Maddow in that, though she still sometimes puts on a decent show when it doesn’t hurt said establishment)?
I do like the move to encourage people to ignore candidates they don’t find acceptable and instead write in what they WANT (Medicare for All, Public Option, Bring The Troops Home, Jobs NOW!, etc. – an expanded version of TheCallUp’s and the malcontent’s Public Option idea), and believe that could take flight well beyond FDL with relative ease. If it can seduce me into breaking my written pledge to the Democratic leadership to vote Republican until a Public Option becomes law (I’m more than happy to have found a reasonable alternative to that), it clearly has the potential to inspire others as well. The beauty is in giving people an opportunity to express what they really want rather than just suggest that they stay home in disgust or vote for some candidate with no hope of winning and no real party structure to help grow: it feels so much less fruitless.
But I’m certainly interested in other ideas as well – and especially in how one goes about spreading them effectively (something Jane appears to have some experience with).
“It’s almost like the mission here is nurturing grievances rather than acknowledging that something that progressives wanted done by the administration, you know, GOT DONE.”
So to show that you’re mission isn’t to FUD FDL, show me one post of mine prior to Warren’s appointment as “advisor” where I ever wanted that, let alone that it was my most “fervent wish.”
vote his worthless ass out in 12 and send the message that the next liberal to get elected better damn well be a real liberal …alan grayson stands at the top of the pack
“….what are we going to DO about this?”
What indeed. We may have lost this country forever to fascism, never to get it back. RIP democracy? THEY own the airwaves and control the message. What is needed is a Superman to fight for “truth, justice and the American way”. BO (an ironically appropriate designation now, there is a distinct aroma) came out in a cape but has not returned to his phone booth to don it since his election. It turned out not to be real, just a costume jewelry outfit rented short term. I wonder if he knows that he was positioned for greatness, that he could have made his time – even if only one term – a barn burner for the ages? An FDR. I think we are on our own now as individuals until the real deal actually appears. Probably not in my lifetime. Hope I’m wrong. We need a Dennis Kucinich with charisma and political savvy because being right is never enough all on its own. Personally, I’ll just continue to support what I see as truth and justice. These may never have been the American way but must be recognized as our ideal for it.
Sometimes adults are worse than children when it comes to getting what they want. We all watched the healthcare debate and the opposition to it. The votes were not there for a public option no matter how badly you or I wanted it. Some dems were opposed to it as well; however, if you know anything about our government our history tell us every bill can be amended as has happen with Medicare and Social Security.
How does not voting help your cause? Will the GOP get you a public option? Or does it make better sense to elect politicians who believe the way you do.
Grow up, you can’t always get what you want, when you want it.
Yawn – yet another clueless defense of the indefensible.
The time to pass the public option was when the votes WERE there – during reconciliation, when only 50 Senate votes were required. That’s when Obama, Pelosi, and Reid stepped up to the plate and squashed it dead, overriding the efforts to get it back on the table now that it was actually passable.
Of course, had Obama actually worked to get it into the original Senate bill (you know, the way he arm-twisted reluctant progressives at the end to pass the resulting sham), it might well have passed earlier. But since he had already sold it out in a clandestine deal with industry that wasn’t a much of a priority for him.
But thanks for playing.
Over 70% of the public wanted the public option, so it was possible, except Obama gave up on it behind in his closed door meetings. I am so tired of the excuses, while innocent people die in a broken system of corruption.
It’s been pointed out to them a number of times over at DailyKos.com — the standard alibi is that “they’re better than the Republicans” and “look at Obama’s big resume.”
the only thing this leaves out is: why? For campaign contributions? Doesn’t ring true especially so long ago. Seems so …. inadequate. If this could have been passed with reconciliation, it is inexlicable. I would like Obama or his staff to weigh in. I always thought (apparently wrongly) that this bill with the public option could not be passed with reconciliation and there was a gang of 5 dems and all repugs in the senate who would not vote for it.( and this was after Scott was elected I recalal)I guess I will have to hold judgment aside for now. But it does not change one thing: we (I) need to keep the dems in power or we lose it all. Obama’s day of judgment is two years off.
Also see Collins and Mayer, Both Hands Tied, for an ethnographic evisceration of the Welfare Bill. Real people are hurt by this stuff, and by its apologists.
“What are we going to do about this?”
Well, I think the first thing we should do is recognize that Barack Obama’s main value to progressives is as a goat to be politically sacrificed into history’s dustbin. The first big step in that is going to take place in about 6 weeks, as the same american electorate that nearly two years ago, in no uncertain terms, hired him to mount the salvage operation, is going to begin the process of firing him…again, in no uncertain terms.
It won’t be pretty, and we’re going to lose big, but the alternative of continuing to fight for him against the idiots that he is so diligently re-empowering with every passing day, is a level of lunacy that I, personally, will not descend to.
It’s not a matter of actually losing one or both Houses of Congress; with those big margins, the bogus “reforms” that he and the rest of the “leadership” have cobbled up, are nothing but a Kabuki show using dogs and pony’s. Once those majorities are halved (if we’re lucky…) is he going to do better? Put it like this: is his leading us into a mid-term debacle going to make this faux “centrist” move to the left, one night after he did his George Carlin routine, using progressives for the butt of it?
I don’t think he “mis-spoke”; I think he knew exactly what he was doing. It was another calculated move to suck up to the american right, and to protect the status quo. For me, that transcends any fear of republicans. After an historic win in 2008; in 20 months and change, Barack Obama has gone a lonnng ways toward, not just undoing that, but toward ruining the democratic party. Rewarding him for doing this with continued support would be an act of political masochism that i HOPE no decent progressive worthy of the name, is willing to do.
tanbark @ 251 writes:
I know what the issue is; but at this time of the year, congressional elections are also at the forefront. And that begets talk of re-election in 2012.
Barack Obama is poised to become the third post-World War II president elected, as a party-pickup, to arrive in the White House with same-party majorites in Congress — only to lose them after Year 2. This happened with Dwight Eisenhower in 1954 and Bill Clinton in 1994. Both won decisive re-elections two years later.
2010: Democrats lose congressionals. 2012: Republicans lose hopes of unseating the president and his party … and get landslided. If you want to disagree — and believe this GOP will have another Gay and Grand Old Party[ing] on Election Night 2012 — don’t bet too much money. You wanna believe 2010 “resuscitates” the GOP, fine, but consider 1898 and 1970 Democrats — both having been soundly defeated in the presidential election two years earlier which were, like 2008, realignment presidential elections.
That cult has nothing new to offer. It has no electable figure poised for nomination — no matter which freak or has-been it nominates. And we’ll be looking at either a landslide in terms of the Electoral College — or both the Electoral College and the U.S. Popular Vote — favoring the Democrats and President Obama.
Having written all that, I wouldn’t be here if I disagreed with what Jane Hamsher expresses about the quality in leadership and concerns over the issues and the social and political policy of this president and the Democratic Party. In all honesty, I’m kind of tired of “centrism” and disappointments — they don’t surprise or offend me because I think it’s some twisted strategy. In November, I intend to vote outside the two-party system and let the chips fall wherever they will.
Thank you Jane for the shot of adrenalin. What about Grayson/Weiner 2012? I’ve stopped all contributions until I get the public option.
Oh, but we’ll never know that because the Democrats were so busy covering for each other. Care to tell us how the vote would actually go had a public option been placed for a vote? It would also be nice to know how a vote for the public option would have gone had Obama actually supported the thing, rather than cutting deals to get rid of it.
Elizabeth Warren, and any possibility that she’s actually going to inconvenience our economic lords on Wall Street, have just been co-opted like a little kid who’s been handed an ice cream cone to get them to behave.
Not likely. Obama will be remembered as the first Black President regardless of what he has done or does. What will also be remembered, however, is the general inappropriateness of Federal-level policies after, say, 1979 and into the indefinite future…
Fuck Obama. Hope he gets historically humiliated in 2012, and I’ve voted straight Democratic since McGovern ’72. He & the Clintons have destroyed the Party. Barack Obama is probably the biggest, phoniest, most unprincipled asshole in U.S. politics, Republicans included. S.S.-cutting SOB, he makes me sick.
Coolblue:
Equating the political climate for Clinton and Eisenhour with what’s going on today is abject nonsense.
Neither one of them was in serious trouble with his respective party’s base.
Unemployment numbers were relatively low.
There were no bloody, expensive, and seemingly unending wars going on.
Neither of them was the first black president, with all of the implications for success or failure that that implies.
Politics, even during Clinton’s presidency, had not reached the level of irrational idiocy that characterizes so much of what we’re seeing today.
Do you seriously believe that when (Not “if”…) the republicans cut those big democratic majorities to the bone, or perhaps end one or even both of them, that Barack Obama is THEN going to get his slack ass in gear and be able to take the “radical” steps (IF he wanted to, which, clearly, he doesn’t…) that might enable him to win another term?
That, somehow, the republicans on whom he has done such wondrous rehab, are finally going to be overcome with bipartisan feelings and proceed to help him turn this economic and foreign-policy Titanic around, just as it closes on the iceberg? Please tell me you don’t believe that.
The simple truth is that Barack Obama and the democrats had an historic opportunity in 2008. Instead of seizing that opportunity, they have screwed the pooch, big time, and they’re about to pay for doing it, and for betraying, as Jane so accurately showed, the principles that got them that opportunity. That’s what these mid-terms about, and once the results are in, the notion that Barack Obama is going to be anything but the lamest lame-duck president in a long, long, time, is two things:
It’s whistling past the graveyard…
And it’s helping to suborn and support Obama’s (as we saw last night…) willingness to use us and then turn square around and feed us to the assholes he’s now unspinnably in bed with.
“Not likely”
Check back on November 3rd. If we’re fed up with him, what do you think the “moderates” and independents who helped him win in 2008 are thinking?
That thing about his being black? That’s going to be the big footnote on him. I feel better about him already, just typing it.
Not….only was I pissed off then…..and since, but,am still pissed off! What r the chances that I’m going to vote Democratic again…..depends! Going to be any changes in the Presidents attitude toward the “professional left”?
Wag; spot on. All Obama had to do, early on, was run the real Public Option up to the hill, and KEEP running it up everytime the GOP filibustered it.
In fact, all he had to do to keep the republicans under the troll-bridge, was confront them…early and often.
Instead he gave them ass massages and the media, looking at the thrashing that the GOP got in the general, quickly got onto the idea:
“Oh! This president sitting on top of all that clout thinks the repubs aren’t so bad after all? Cool! We can do that.”
And the rest, along with Obama’s presidency, is about to become history.
Yeah the weird part was when it stopped looking like parody because reality TV caught up with it.
That remains the official story. It has been pretty well confirmed that the White House cut a deal with at least the hospital cartel not to have a public option. The point is that they didn’t try. I doubt that ten Democratic Senators would have gone on record as voting against the public option, and if the White House wanted it, they and Harry Reid would have forced them to do so. The reports are that the White House worked against the Public Option, and they certainly did not force the holdouts to take their lumps from their constituents.
We counted 53 Dems in the Senate who had said they would support a public option. Passing the health care period without reconciliation became impossible after Scott Brown’s election. When they decided to go the reconciliation route, they only needed 50 votes to pass it (Biden as VP was the tie breaker). Reid started saying he “didn’t have the votes” to put the public option back in (it had passed the House) but you are right, nobody would say who those Democrats were who would now oppose it.
So far in this thread, the only constructive comment I’ve seen is the call to work to elect progressives at the local level and hope that will lead to more progressive congressional candidates. Other than that, all the venting and threats of writing in “public option” as your candidate aren’t going to advance the cause.
I think we need to start by asking what the WSJ reported after Anne Kuster (progressive) won her primary in New Hampshire – why have challengers from the left not fared nearly as well as challengers from the right? If Democrats around the country are as outraged about Obama as this thread implies, why weren’t they able to mobilize to “throw the bums out” or keep those they love elected? Harry Reid got 75% of the vote in the Democratic Primary. Meanwhile, progressive icon Alan Grayson is struggling to hold on against a hard right theocrat. Until you can answer that, Barack Obama and others like him aren’t going to be too worried about the left…which is why their focus is much more on placating the right and independents.
Thanks for the timely reminder : ) Now that we are on to step two, looks like there is just one left before we get to “then you win” : )
I’m game : )
Looks like you hit a nerve Jane, 350 comments? Yep, we’ll win : )
Can’t wait for November…
IMHO, the place to take a stand is when the Catfood Commission files its recommendations that Social Security and Medicare benefits be cut. That will happen between the elections and December first, and Congress is scheduled to vote on them before Christmas recess.
That commission is Obama’s baby, he came into office promising, before his inauguration, to make entitlements a major portion of his administration’s agenda. Within a month after the inauguration, he had scheduled Pete Peterson, a reactionary billionaire who had pleged a billion dollars to cut back entitlements, to be a keynote speaker at his fiscal responsibility (Catfood) summit. Jane broke the story, and Peterson was disinvited. She said at the time that Democratic leaders had told Obama not only “no” but “hell no” to the idea of a Catfood commission. Obama’s White House kept working on it and by October they had Senators Judd and Gregg working on a proposal. It was submitted in December and defeated in January. Whereupon Obama decided to go ahead and create it anyway by executive order. He appointed six of the 18 members, including the two co-chairs. Reid and Pelosi each appointed three, as did Boehner and McConnell. Predictably, of the 18 members, 14 are deficit hawks. In effect, Obama has commissioned vampires to overhaul the blood bank, and the vampires will proposed what vampires propose. And Reid and Pelosi have promised up-or-down votes from the lame-duck session.
At that point, Dems will likely be upset by their congressional losses, the poverty levels be ever increasing, and “the lesser people” will be infuriated at the prospect of their benefits being cut. And Obama will be reconsidering his prospects for 2012.
That’s the time to launch, not just a dump-Obama movement, but a campaign for someone else. Jim Hightower, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, … whomever.
Sorry, but racism is not a footnote in American history, thus also the first Black President not a footnote either.
Because “Democrats around the country” are in (or support) the VEAL PEN. Read Jane’s signature pieces:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/rahm-goes-apeshit-on-liberals-in-the-veal-pen/
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/
And welcome to Intro to FDL! It’s good to see you here.
If they lose both houses of congress because of the “enthusiasm gap,” they might get a clue.
“Other than that, all the venting and threats of writing in ‘public option’ as your candidate aren’t going to advance the cause.”
Perhaps it doesn’t advance your cause, but it certainly advances the cause of those who don’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils becaues they don’t want to support evil. If you wish to vote for evil, that’s your problem.
Rep. Grayson is up by 13 points. Thanks for playing!
BTW, how is Blanche Lincoln holding up?
Indeed. BTW would those of you who post on other boards (e.g. HP) please spread the word about this policy? Perhaps a long article describing the logic behind it?
“What to do?”…
If a Republico-Democrat loses an election by 100 votes in a district where Elizabeth Warren gets 101 write-in votes, maybe the Dems will get the message. Potential progressive candidates for 2012 certainly will recognize the support, and you’ll NEED a champion in 2012, like Gene McCarthy in’68. BO won’t quit just because he wins in Iowa by a vote of 5 to zero; that’s still a win.
The answer is a write-in campaign, and the two obstacles to its success are, one, agreeing on one (or a small number) of names to write in and, two, spreading the word and getting media attention. A pithy name is important:”Tea Party” was a perfect choice for the other side. How about “New New Dealers”? Suggestions are welcome.
We also need to get all of the websites for folks sympathetic to this view to communicate with each other, so if you know of any other appropriate websites, please list them here so we can fan out and spread the word.
Once it’s started in a given Congressional district(Some districts are better for this action than others.), get the progressives to email their intentions to a reporter at the local newspaper. When the reporter gets a hundred or so of these emails, a story will appear in the paper…
Someone is way ahead of you.
The good and evil crowd. Sounds like I’m at the Values Voters Summit. But go ahead with your symbolic gesture. I still don’t see how that helps except to make you feel good. As for voting for Democrats this fall, it’s not a problem for me at all. I will continue to deal with reality and work to change it from within. Unfortunately, that will be a much harder task after 11/2, but I’d still rather struggle than check out.
Wow! That’s good!
The only way to win a negotiation is to be willing to walk away from it. Until the democravens know that we take issues such as the PO seriously they will cater to the interests of their wealthy donors rather than us, because they know they can ignore us without repercussions. Writing in “public option” in sufficient numbers to make a difference in the election this fall will be evidence to the contrary.
Good. I hope he holds on, though from what I read he needs the tea party candidate to take votes away from the Republian in order to do so. But how many of the “establishment” Democrats had serious progressive challengers? (serious in the sense that they posed a serious threat)
Nope. They’ll blame it on the loss of independents.
Thanks for the reference, reddflagg!
For my next trick…has anyone invented the light bulb yet?
I’ll quibble about a few items – DADT is, I understand, a law and as such can be repealed or altered only by Congressional action, not by Presidential fiat. In the same vein, a President cannot create by executive order a WPA nor can it be funded without Congressional action.
In any case… has anyone identified which Congressional districts provide the best opportunity for this action? How about which reporters to notify? Has anyone here contacted 20 friends to start the movement, as the link at 361 suggests? (These questions are for anyone, not justreddflagg.)
Visibly, the White House knows that the biggest election-day danger to Democrats is the so-called “enthusiasm gap,” especially among those in the Democratic wing of the party, i.e., those who think that FDR was the best president ever. The White House also knows that mocking, finger-wagging, and scorning people does not build their enthusiasm, but they are doing it anyway.
I’m forced to conclude that the White House (and/or those to whom they report) don’t really care whether Congress is controlled by Democrats or Republicans. If Obama has a Republican congress, he will have an even more solid excuse for doing nothing progressive and for implementing his extremely conservative policies.
I think that you are right in the second paragraph.
As for motive, I suggest that attacking the liberals, who are perceived as the “extreme” element of the Democratic Party, is a way to appeal to independent/centrist voters, and that BO et al believe that there are more independent/centrists to win over than there are progressives to lose.
Well, I guess we’ll just have to see if your strategy works. I still believe it will only amount to years of protest votes without getting what you want. Maybe Progressives can turn the Democrat Party the way the Tea Party has converted the Republicans. I just haven’t seen any evidence of that happening.
Perhaps the White House believes that independents are as amused as the Washington Press Corp at watching them beat up on hippies. Their poll numbers do not reflect the accuracy of that belief.
I agree.
Dems seem to think that they can win election by running as lukewarm Republicans. Of course, Republican voters will still vote for real Republicans, progressives won’t vote for quasiRepublicans, and the folks in the middle will split – leaving the Dems to lose. Dems have forgotten that they won in 2008 by running on an apparently progressive platform. It reminds me of LBJ who got us into Vietnam in large part because he was afraid of the Republicans – whom, incidentally, he had just trounced.
Actually the fact that so many have spontaneously come up with the same idea shows its viability, I think. I had been thinking along the same lines, that just staying home is not a clear message (are you not voting because you love things the way they are now and so don’t feel a need to get out and change things? Are you a wingnut who wants a candidate farther to the right? Who knows?). But writing in public option makes the size of the left vote and those who care about the PO etc. clear. In a follow up post the author said that he didn’t suggest it for down ballot races (Governor etc) and that if a left party was running in a race (socialist, Green, etc) that voting for their candidate would probably send the same message.
I agree about the viability of the idea.
I agree about the downballot issue also. The importance of reapportionment in this 2010 election outweighs anger over other national issues when it comes to state and local races. The revolt this time around must be aimed at Congress.
Perhaps there is a superficial resemblance between Obama and LBJ. LBJ did not, however push for Federal Romneycare, nor did he forgo the Great Society in favor of tax breaks for businesses.
From what I read, Elizabeth Warren is Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. That’s a far cry from “head of the new Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection”; she will advise the Secretary of the Treasury and her ideas may or may not be implemented. And FWIW, my most fervent wish was that our President was the man who campaigned for the job, not the 1980′s Republican who is inhabiting the White House.
Yes, LBJ feared the Republicans on defense issues only and moved toward their position only in that area, at enormous cost to his presidency and the country. BO et al do the same across the board and thereby come across as lukewarm Republicans, unappealing to most voting blocs. For both, being a Republican, a little or a lot, is a bad thing for a Democrat to do.
You know, I’ve lost a lot over the last 10 years–my job, a great deal of my income and savings, in fact just about everything but my vote. And while I still have my vote, I’m going to vote for a candidate who stands for what I believe in. I’m certainly not going to vote for a Democrat: they oversaw my job being outsourced, my healthcare being stolen, and now they’re after my Social Security.
Clinton did some things I did not agree with, however there is a big difference between him and Obama. When Clinton compromised he did it with the republicans owning both the houses of congress and a very hostile press. Before the reps took over he worked to get progressive legislation passed.
Obama had two years with unassailable democratic majorities and he knee capped progressive legislation anyway.
Clinton often compromised to keep something worse from being passed, as in DADT. Obama seems to do it because it is his political philosophy. He sees himself as the guy who can bring everyone together. But his results have helped almost no one.
Obama is simply “holding his enemies closer.” But you saw what he did to Dawn Johnsen.
He knows only one play: fake left and run right. I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect that this is simply a way of neutralizing her. Later he can put her onto the Economic Recovery Board.
That’s standard Obama practice. Per Matt Taibi:
I’m guessing that the Rubin and his acolytes, Summers and Geither, will have no difficulty rendering her ineffective. However, Austan Goolsbee has been promoted:
Again, in spite of its impressive title, the CEA is not particularly influential in the Obama White House, but it might gain influence as events unfold.
I was laid off twice – 2002 and 2006 – in the last decade and paid $600/month for COBRA after one of those. I can relate. But if don’t want to vote for a Democrat, and I assume you don’t want to vote for a Republican, then your choice is either the symbolic protest vote or working locally to get someone like Bernie Sanders into office. But Bernie is truly an exception. Maybe the write-in campaign of Lisa Murkowski will inspire progressives to try the same with a candidate. I’m just not in favor of the “public option” candidate.
If Bernie is not running for office in your area and you don’t want to use “PO” or some other name, how else can you register your preferences? There are no Bernies running now in most areas, and none will run in 2012 unless we demonstrate support now.
I have seen and had ENOUGH failure from the progressive side of politics. I want progressives to succeed. We cannot play nice with conservatives. I save my compassion for the poor, the working man and woman, the unemployed, the retired elderly and disabled and the disenfranchised.
This failure comes from the REFUSAL to use consumer boycotts against conservatives and their friends by progressives suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. In fact I now refuse to help so called progressive organizations that will not boycott the friends of conservatives in order to put pressure on the conservatives to do as we demand.
I do not have compassion for bull headed conservatives bent on ruining other people’s lives.
The way we do not play nice involves what Gandhi would do, namely shun those and their friends who seek to ruin other people’s lives. I did not originate boycotts but I appear new in adapting the boycott to legislative outcomes.
I have created a new liberal legislative political party: The Liberal Democratic Party of the United States.
We do not raise money.
We do not handle money.
We do not break up your Party. You remain in your own chosen party for the purpose of elections but you also join mine for the purpose of getting needed legislation and political action.
We tell you how not to spend your money and get legislation for
not spending money with well known conservative contributors.
It costs nothing to join this party but some of your day
sending these emails and getting many others to send these emails.
We can get progressive legislation with a new strategy.
Please pass this email to your friends as soon as possible. Thank you.
Instead of petitioning a corporate corrupted congress for legislation, petition the corporate friends of conservatives in both the GOPranos and the Democratic party for legislation and include a boycott threat in your email petitions as you see below. Spread the word please.
You can find the full list of emails here
http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/help-me-change-america1.htm
Below, you can see some of the examples of emails found on the web site.
send this email to contacttheboard@riteaid.com at Rite Aid for a strong public option.
To the Rite Aid CEO:
I join with many other people who demand that you get congress and the President to enact a single payer health care plan that will work like HR676 but will not ban private insurance. Your company PAC has given money to conservatives over the years.
This public option will get fully funded by US government general federal taxes.
People will have no monthly premiums, no copays, no yearly deductibles, no coverage gaps, no means tests and no yearly or lifetime caps for coverage.
This public option will cover 100 percent of the cost of: all doctor’s visits including dental visits, all generic and patented medications, surgery and all hospital visits, hospice and nursing home residence and abortion, contraception and other family planning costs.
People can choose this single payer public option health care plan at will even if they had or have private plans presently.
People will have the option to choose private plans or keep the private plans that they have now.
This legislation should appear implemented as amendments to HR676
Until this legislation gets enacted into law, I REFUSE to do business with Rite Aid Pharmacies
Do as I demand, or you will lose my business and the business and income from many other people as myself.
Good day.
send this email to Brown-Forman@b-f.com at Brown Forman to stop conservatives from filibustering legislation.
To the Brown Forman CEO:
Your company PAC has given money to Sen. Mitch McConnell in the past. I will not buy Jack Daniels Whiskey and Southern Comfort until you convince Mitch McConnell to stop all filibusters on legislation and holds on appointments for the duration of the Obama administration.
Good Day.
send this email to contacttheboard@riteaid.com at Rite Aid for a Real prescription drug benefit in Medicare Part B.
To the Rite Aid CEO
Congress and the President must enact a new prescription drug benefit in Medicare Part B covering 80% of the cost of all patented and generic drugs with no extra monthly premiums, no extra yearly deductible, no means tests, no coverage gaps, no late sign up penalties and remove the means test for Medicare Part B and this benefit will get administered by the government and not any private company and until that happens, I refuse to buy ANYTHING from Republican contributor Rite Aid Pharmacies.
Good day.
send this email to john_barker@wendys.com at Wendy’s corporation for a $10 an hour minimum wage.
To the Wendy’s CEO
Congress and the President must enact a $10/HR MINIMUM WAGE into law and until this happens I will not go to any Republican contributor Wendy’s Restaurants.
Good Day.
send this email to Brown-Forman@b-f.com at Brown Forman to get the employee free choice enacted into law.
To the Brown Forman CEO
Brown-Forman of Kentucky, the maker of Jack Daniels Whiskey and Southern Comfort gave Mitch McConnell money for his campaigns. SENATOR McCONNELL MUST MUST GET CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT TO ENACT HR 1409,S 560 THE EMPLOYEE FREE CHOICE ACT INTO LAW AND AND UNTIL THAT HAPPENS I WON’T BUY JACK DANIELS WHISKEY OR SOUTHERN COMFORT OR ANY OTHER OF BROWN-FORMAN’S PRODUCTS.
Good Day.
send this email to war contractor General Electric Corporation at gary.sheffer@ge.com and demand a resolution from congress ending the Iraq and Afghan wars.
Dear Sir
I demand that your CEO get the Congress and the President to enact a resolution to end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and remove the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan and until then I will not buy any consumer items from war contractor and Republican contributor General Electric Corporation.
Good day.
We got a health care law that enriches health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies. A Republican could have proposed this law but only when they got in power, as they don’t want Democrats to succeed.
The glass appears 1/20th full.
I will probably write in Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa in for President in 2012.
I find President Obama very disappointing. Progressives got deceived by the Democratic Party.
That’s why I started my own political party, the Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America at http://www.democratz.org a strictly legislative only party and we do not handle money.
Most progressives suffer from Stockholm syndrome, even here at FDL and these people will not organize a boycott of companies that fund conservatives in both parties and demand progressive legislation from their CEOS.
what the fuck is Matt talking about with regards to Goolsbee?!
This Goolsbee of March 29, 2007:
“…And this study shows that measured this way, the mortgage market has become more perfect, not more irresponsible. People tend to make good decisions about their own economic prospects. As Professor Rosen said in an interview, “Our findings suggest that people make sensible housing decisions in that the size of house they buy today relates to their future income, not just their current income and that the innovations in mortgages over 30 years gave many people the opportunity to own a home that they would not have otherwise had, just because they didn’t have enough assets in the bank at the moment they needed the house.”
I’m confused by your Rite Aid letter. If the public option in your plan requires no means testing, 100% coverage on any and all services and no financial contribution by the patient other than taxes, why bother to throw in that someone can keep their private insurance? There obviously would be no incentive to do that. Is it just to look like you’re not advocating socialized medicine?
I think there are alot of positive steps that could be taken without going to what I consider – and yes I’ll just say it – such an extreme position. However, since you mentioned that I suffer from Stockholm syndrome, I decided to check out Sweden’s healthcare system. While it is considered universal, even it requires patients to pay out-of-pocket fees and clearly not all services are covered (which is why private plans are offered.) Even dental is only free until you’re 19. Do you really think the US is ready to offer even more than one of the most popular examples of a universal healthcare system?
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7172673/
Fast forward to Jan 2013 and your wish is realized, Obama is out of office and GOP has the White house, congress, and let’s not forget the supreme court. Do you honestly think a celebration will be in order? Wise up folks and understand you’re trying to change the rules of politics from the top down…that WILL NOT HAPPEN! One post asked where was the movement for the public option? How many senators felt the pressure (from their constituents-us) to vote in favor? Where were the protests? Face it, he needs our support as much as we need his. Yes we voted him in but our responsibility did not end there. The rules will only change from the bottom up. Instead of acting surprised that BO is being a politician, be outraged that we never brought this fight to congress…so sit back again and let these GOP plants here dictate the outcome in Nov, you’ll have much more to gripe about.
It is clear that being more neocon than GW is perfectly acceptable to them.
Sayeth the Obot troll:
Obama betrayed you because you didn’t show him enough love and that is your fault, not his.
Anyone who complains about being betrayed is a GOP plant.
And, boo! Watch out for those scary Repubs!
~~~ModNote: There is no need to resort to name-calling. Make your case with data and not invective, please.~~~
That was my equivalent of “GOP plants”.
Sorry if I crossed the line.
Not for nothing, but when what’s left of the Democratic party lies a smoldering ruin after the upcoming elections (no matter the measure of vengeance extracted), there will be no celebrating in my house.
This is a terrible choice to have to make, and for all the rigor with which TeamObama™ has slapped their ‘base’, what remains on the morning of November 3rd will not be pretty.
Whatever the Repubs end up with, it won’t be big enough that the Dems can’t stop them, if they wish.
Past history implies that the Dems will resist the Repubs to some degree, if for no other reason than to be able to distinguish themselves from the Repubs come the next election.
After the last 20 months of rolling over for neocon Obama, I’m betting that resistance will be a net win for the country.
You could be correct.
I would suggest however, that the best excuses Barack Obama ever had to move to the Right is that the Republicans are so friggin crazy that it is possible to swerve in their direction, and also that if you are a pronounced ‘bipartisanist’, you have some cover.
I suggest that what lies ahead for governance is an even more Right-tilted direction, and no one can dispute that Obama is more than happy to go that way for a number of reasons.
It may be good in the very long run, but it is no celebratory moment to me.
It is interesting to surmise, one way or the other.
In any event, my convictions will not allow me to vote for any party that allows the president the right to assassinate citizens at will.
So, after I cast my third-party and write-in choices, I’ll know that if either your scenario or my scenario occurs, it will be the result of voters who chose to support one of the two neocon major parties.
No argument there.
Funny you would imply the GOP plant reference was directed to you, but since I’m the troll consider this: how much of an impact do you think this “resistance” will have on the country during current economic conditions? How is a deadlocked congress beneficial to economic recovery? Why do you think that a Dem minority can stop a GOP majority, even tho they can’t/won’t now as the majority? I think you choose to ignore the rules of politics and the true role the lobbyists play. Guess this makes me an American troll.
I frankly wish it HAD been deadlocked when they passed that insurance mafia’s wet dream of a “health care” bill.
400!
Obama really seems to enjoy belittling the very people he was so assiduously courting to be plucked from obscurity and made President. This shameful mocking performance from Greenwich is just like one he did early in 2009 in San Diego mocking LGBT activists demonstrating outside the swank hotel he was doing a fundraiser in for telling him to keep his promises. His punch line that night was “which promises do you mean?”. His contempt and arrogance were palpable. This ass clown needs to be returned to his deserved obscurity by being voted out of power. Vote Green. Vote progressive. And if they are neither of the above, withhold your vote. You aren’t depriving “Democrsts” of your support. You are boycotting corporate fascists. I see no fundamental difference between the sellouts running as Democrats and their Rethug brothers in arms. They are equally corrupt and do not deserve support. The sooner the whole rotten edifice crashes–and it is inevitable at this point–the sooner the rebuilding can begin. Let it crash now.
In response to ncite45 @ 399
Funny? No such implication from me.
What’s funny is that you label my refusal to support a party that goes against my beliefs and principles “resistance” and then try to make me responsible for the unwillingness of politicians to solve our problems.
It’s also funny that you can’t do better than trotting out straw man arguments. Based on the success of the current congress, I have every reason to assume the next congress will do no worse. It’s also a laffer that you are trying to make me responsible for your self-proclaimed inability of the Dems to stand up to the Repubs.
It’s funnier still that you claim that there are some type of “rules of politics” and the “true role the lobbyists play” that I must also place above my convictions and principles.
It’s simple for me. I will not support any party that goes against my principles.
If you are willing to base your votes on some kind of numbers game, that’s your business. But trying to blame me for the actions of a party I don’t even support does strike me as rather trollish.
Without the need for name-calling, there are merits to both of these arguments.
Some of us are thinking about the long-term effects of restoring Republicans to rule in the House & Senate, or at least giving them an even bigger hedge against reality. But the short-term consequences are not to be ignored.
It took George Bush all of five minutes to destroy what was left of what we used to call governance. It is easier and faster to tear it down than to build or restore it. So there’s a lot to be considered in the short term.
Yes, Obama has revealed himself to be downright Reaganesque, and the prospects for decent public policy being pursued by a President seem a long way off.
But there is about to be a 112th Congress, and what could become the majority appears to relish slash-and-burn of a fashion we have literally not seen. Ever. We would do well to remember this as the next session begins, but even better, to think about it now.
Neither of you are wrong, IMHO.
In response to newtonusr @ 403
For one thing, I don’t buy your premises.
George Bush couldn’t have done anything without a measure of, and in many cases, substantial, Dem support. And whatever GW destroyed in his 5 minutes, Obama and the Dems have quite capably perpetuated and strengthened.
I think we will actually be better off if the Repubs win back a few seats. If the Dems lose their majorities, many of them will go out of their way to cross the Repubs to show the voters that they are different. That will be better than the situation we have now.
The biggest faulty premise of all is that I will somehow be responsible because I choose to support neither the Repubs who do right-wing things, nor the Dems who also do right-ring things, simply because you think the Repubs are scary and because you also think the Dems are too ineffectual to stand up to them.
Beyond doubt. Which makes my case, strangely enough.
If you think the Democrats are going to suddenly discover their Progressive roots when confronted with a Bush-like (but far more radical) Republican majority, I think you are mistaken. What has been a drift to this point will become a full-speed sprint.
And that will impact everything that comes out of the Congress.
I am not suggesting that we return Democrats to a glorious majority. I am saying that punishing them now for long-term gains will inevitably yield some very draconian pain in the very immediate future, and it is wise to understand and prepare for that as we move towards the 112th Congress.
Please show me anything I said that even remotely implies that is what I think.
While you are at it, dig up where I said I wanted to punish anyone. I did say more than once that I base my support on principles.
In any event, you see “draconian pain” in the near future and all I see is business as usual.
Please show me anything I said that even remotely implies that is what I think.
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As far as punishing them goes, ‘I’ want them punished, but I think I know what the result of that punishment will be, and that is not unimportant.
You think I disagree with you that the Democrats deserve a surprise at the polls. I do not. I think the long-term health of what remains of the Left demands it.
I DO think that when it is delivered and the electoral map is shaken up, we should not be unprepared for the kind of legislation that will result.
Sorry, no cigar. The fact that I believe that some Dems will resist the Repubs simply to differentiate themselves from the Repubs reveals my cynical view of their motives and nothing more. This “progressive roots” idea is straight out of left field.
It is puzzling that you keep returning to this notion of punishing the Dems since it is something I never said.
Another thing I never said was that the “Democrats deserve a surprise at the polls”. However, now that you mention it, I will say this – the Dems deserve whatever they have earned and I don’t think it will come as a surprise to anyone.
In any event, as I did say, you see “draconian pain” in the near future and I see business as usual.
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Yes, let’s get abnormal – it’s getting late.
Thanks. I posted the image on HP, and they didn’t like it so much…
tanbark @ 344 writes:
I’m not equating on the points you’ve suggested.
Not in “serious trouble”? Well, they both lost Congress because, in part, the base didn’t turn out. So how do you figure they were not in “serious trouble?”
Unemployment numbers were really high for Franklin Roosevelt [D-N.Y.] — and do you recall him going down in defeat in his bid for a second term in 1936? Especially when neither he, nor the Democratic Party, brought on the Great Depression?
Which president — George W. Bush [R-Texas] or Barack Obama [D-Illinois] — got us into Iraq? 40 years ago, which president — Lyndon Johnson [D-Texas] or Richard Nixon [R-California] — got us into Vietnam?
Please be more specific.
Please be more specific.
“Cut those big [D]emocratic majorities to the bone?” According to Nate Silver, and Charlie Cook, Republicans are in a position to win over a majority in the House in the mid- to upper-220s (the minimum 218 plus, est., 5%). I have been thinking, actually, a reverse of 2006 — getting into the 230s (the minimum 218 plus, est., 10%). And in the Senate, latest projections has the Democrats retaining majority control with about 51 or 52 seats. I am thinking Republicans will win that 51st seat. As University of Virginia professor Larry Sabato notes, for each of the six times the House flipped party control after World War II (1946, 1948, 1952, 1954, 1994, 2006), so did the Senate.
Now, you are certain it is over for President Obama and the Democratic Party — correct?
What is your view of these Republican Party’s past presidents: When Dwight Eisenhower had majorities in only his first two years in office — and lost them afterward? Richard Nixon, whose party never had majorites? Ronald Reagan [R-Calif.], whose party only had the Senate up till Year 6? George W. Bush, whose party had the House till his Year 6, and the Senate from part of 2001 and again in 2003 till his Year 6?
On the Democratic side: After assuming the presidency after Roosevelt’s 1945 death, and losing party control of Congress in 1946, was Harry Truman [D-Missouri] impotent and unable to win election to a full term in 1948? Was Bill Clinton destroyed after losing party control of Congress in 1994?
Were they each rendered ineffective and “lame ducks”?
You should address the issue of realignment presidential elections (which I menitioned earlier) — and tell us, which of the two major parties has the greater electoral power?
Bush Jr. is Herbert Hoover [R-Calif.] for this generation, tanbark, and the Republican Party won’t be getting back into the White House as soon as 2012? I don’t care what kind of noise is made, and how much one feels threatened by that noise and Fox News Channel. You can see it in the loser cast of “candidates” they potentially could nominate in 2012. And it’s going to be a delight watching some tea-partiers muddy their waters even further.
Are you done with President Obama? …The Democratic Party?
By the way: What do you think about the possibilites of “progressives” voting Republican in 2010? …2012?
mattcarmody is correct about Social Security. Obama does not care about having a Democratic majority for his next legislative fight. Having Republicans control Congress will make it easier to cut Social Security to insignificance (if he cannot get the lame-duck Congress to pass on his budget cutting committee’s recommendations). Obama is a coward who is making economic war on working people because that is what he was hired to do.
There is probably no formal conspiracy. Obama and his ilk are smart enough to know what needs to be done without needing to be told.
Well, to answer your last question, as the degree of their perfidy became obvious at the end of the health-care fiasco I pledged in writing to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and my own Congresscritters to vote Republican for national offices until such time as a strong public option was passed. The only reason I may break that pledge is if I can join a movement (such as the ‘write in a policy you actually want rather than vote for someone you don’t want’ initiative) which is likely to attract other people who would otherwise vote Democratic (thus changing the voting balance by at least the same amount that my voting Republican would have: that’s a far more attractive solution for me, and without it I indeed WOULD have been voting Republican until some real reform of health care occurred).
A few others here have voiced similar sentiments recently. It really doesn’t matter whether you ‘get it’ or not: it’s real, and we’ll see whether it has any actual effect come November.
When the new Congress guts Social Security and repeals HCR, the popular uproar will be astounding. Progressives need to be ready to argue a case for restoration of SS and for real health care reform and to offer candidates and platforms that will lead to electoral and policy success in 2012.
See:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100919/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_republicans
Now for the provocative part. Under the Dems, correction of the HCR will take another generation. With Republicans in place, BO’s HCR will be repealed, and progressives will have the opportunity to make Congress do it right (Medicare for all). It will not be an easy task, and, yes, there is a danger that things go badly. Nevertheless, the opportunity will be available and it must not be squandered.
Follow-up to 415:
Now, or soon, may be the time to form a third party – wait! please stay with me on this for a moment – the Medicare For All party. The name incorporates the platform, and the platform appeals to all except the plutocrats.
Follow up to 416:
Who would vote for this party? Fifty million citizens are uninsured, and let’s say that half of them are adults. That’s 25,000,000 votes. Not enough for you? Who could look at a ballot that lists Republicans (who repealed health care reform, such as it was), Democrats (who passed “HCR”), and the Medicare For All Party and not vote for MFA? That’s everyone under 65.
Hey Jane,
putting this here so I can tweet it to ya – a FB friend sums it up quite nicely:
So now that we’ve got everyone’s attention (and only the brain-dead log onto DKOs — how much longer is that sewer even going to make poor Markos any money) can you, Jane Hamsher, start a real conversation about challenging this guy?
Seriously Jane, you have all the credibility in the world. Use it, I’m begging you!
Um, we probably will get fooled again.
It’s okay, being fooled again still beats being a Limbaugh fan, which involves being fooled only once but forever insisting that you haven’t been.
To take up where I left off in my message February 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am,
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/02/04/obama-personalizes-health-care-to-get-it-done-but-describes-process-lasting-several-weeks/
This I promise: I will not vote for Obama again. Either I will vote for someone else in a primary or I will leave that part of the ballot blank or write in my own choice in the general – even if that were to mean even a Palin Presidency – the silver lining of even that being it means we have a chance to much sooner put in the White House who we thought we were with Obama, the next FDR, someone who will TRULY FIGHT FOR US against The Corporations.
On FDR: FDR fought for the common people such that he even threatened to add 6 seats to the US Supreme Court if necessary to get things done. Also Google “FDR Second Bill of Rights Footage” and then go to youtube to view it, which is from FDR’s last State of the Union address, delivered in early 1944 as what was also his last Fireside Chat. All those people went to vote for Obama thinking that this was what they were getting, someone who would take up where FDR – and then Johnson – left off. They got something else. (Thank-you Michael Moore for finding this footage in your research for your documentary on the moral obscenity that American capitalism has become.) Those talk-radio-FOXNews right-wingers insult the memory of FDR by spewing that Obama is the most liberal President in history. They need to see this footage and read history.
I’m not part of the “the Democratic base” that knocks on doors and all that. I’m just an average liberal or progressive who has been lied to and betrayed one time too many – I’m like those very many liberal or progressive voters in Massachusetts who handed Obama the Massachusetts Message, part of which is, “You lied to us and betrayed our trust to TRULY FIGHT FOR US against The Corporations, those of us who trusted you. You cannot do this and not expect to reap what you sow.”