Baca used the platform — and his role as sheriff — to further the goals of the political campaign by railing against medical marijuana dispensaries. He said that they had been “hijacked by underground drug-dealing criminals” and that “it is no surprise that people are going to get killed … drugs and violence go together.”
Los Angeles Police Chief Charles Beck has disputed Baca’s claim. “Banks are more likely to get robbed than medical marijuana dispensaries,” he told the Daily News in January.
Beck’s department looked into the assertion made by Baca and others that dispensaries attract criminal activity to neighborhoods. The LAPD subsequently issued a report saying that just wasn’t the case. “I have tried to verify that because that, of course, is the mantra,” said Beck. “It doesn’t really bear out.”
Baca also claimed that as many as 97 percent of dispensaries operate as criminal enterprises, and that many buy their marijuana from Mexican drug cartels. According to Thomas Watkins of the Associated Press, “Baca presented no evidence to support his claim.” The DEA also said that they could not substantiate Baca’s allegations.
In the absence of proof, where is Baca’s overheated rhetoric coming from?
Baca, Scientology and Narconon
Baca is an enthusiastic advocate of Scientology’s drug treatment programs, which he actively promotes. Baca has close ties to Scientology, and claims to have to trained deputies in his department using Scientology materials. The Scientology website says that it “sponsors” the independent non-profits drug treatment programs Narconon and Criminon, which and are based on “The Fundamentals of Thought” by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.
According to a Time Magazine cover story:
Hubbard’s purification treatments are the mainstay of Narconon, a Scientology-run chain of 33 alcohol and drug rehabilitation centers — some in prisons under the name “Criminon” — in 12 countries. Narconon [is a] classic vehicle for drawing addicts into the cult.
Revenues for Narconon and other drug treatment programs are generated in large part by court-ordered rehabilitation for drug users, which would be dramatically reduced if marijuana prohibition ended. Much like other elements of the prison industrial complex, Narconon has campaigned aggressively against medical marijuana over the years.
California Department of Education Report Says Narconon Materials “Misleading” and “Inaccurate”
In 2005, California Superintendent of Schools Jack O’Connell urged that all California schools ban the Narconon education program, saying that “this program is filled with inaccuracies and does not reflect widespread medical and factual evidence.” He acted after a series in the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Narconon used their presence in public schools to introduce students to Scientology beliefs without their knowledge.
The California Department of Education issued a report, which indicated that Narconon’s program materials were “exaggerated” and contained “inaccurate and misleading drug-related information” that would “confuse students and be perceived as designed to arouse fear” — much like Lee Baca’s press conference.
Baca’s claim that medical marijuana dispensaries “dole out pot to people with no medical need for it” takes a page straight out of the promotional material for Narconon, which state that marijuana has “no legitimate medical use.”
View the California Department of Education report on Narconon
Following the release of the report, the Los Angeles and San Francisco school districts banned the Narconon program from their classrooms, as did Hawaii and Boston.
Baca Works With Scientology to Train Sheriff’s Deputities and Educate At-Risk Youth
Despite the California Department of Education report disputing the accuracy of Narconon’s program materials, Baca says he has used Scientology materials to train deputies in his department –who apparently use them to train “at-risk youth.”
You have been consistently reliable in helping me to achieve my goal for a safer Los Angeles County. In particular, your drug education means everything to the safety of our schools and neighborhoods. That is why we trained a corps of our own deputies in the use of your unbeatable program, so I want to thank each and every one of you for everything you do in helping me do my job—because today, crime in Los Angeles is at its lowest in 40 years.”
But according to a video of the event on YouTube, this is what Baca actually said (3:20):
You have been consistently reliable in helping me to achieve my goal for a safer Los Angeles County. In particular, your drug education means everything to the safety of our schools and neighborhoods. That is why we trained a corps of our own deputies in the use of your unbeatable program. This joint venture to educate youth at risk is one of the most important initiatives I could undertake as Sheriff of Los Angeles County. So I want to thank each and every one of you for everything you do in helping me do my job—because today, crime in Los Angeles is at its lowest in 40 years.”
Baca by his own admission used Scientology materials in a “joint venture” to educate “youth at risk.”
The Church of Scientology made extensive use of Baca’s statement and presence at the event as LA County Sheriff to promote and legitimize its programs.
Baca Continues to Promote and Legitimize Narconon
Baca has continued to work closely with Narconon on his “Safe Drugs Dropoff Program,” which allows the public to drop off expired drugs and controlled substances in boxes at their local sheriff’s station. The program was launched on September 29, 2009. According to news reports at the time, the event was hosted by Baca and attended by “mayors and councilmen and women from half a dozen L.A. County townships, joined by Narconon International.”
According to the Narconon press release, Baca invited Teddy Chambers of Narconon International to provide a “drug education and awareness back-up” for the program. Narconon also claims that they distributed their educational materials at the launch of the Gardena dropoff box.
Moreover, in 2006 Baca wrote a letter of support for Narconon when local residents of Leona Valley opposed the construction of a Narconon facility in their community. In the letter, Baca said that “Los Angeles County requires effective drug rehabilitation services,” and that he is “very familiar with the Narconon program.”
“The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department looks forward to working with Narconon,” concludes Baca, who recommends that the Regional Planning Commission approve their use permit despite the objection of local residents.
Baca also served as the “Drug Free Marshal” of the 2006 “Say No to Drugs” race. Proceeds benefited both “Drug-Free Marshals” and “Friends of Narconon,” which was described to donors as “an international group dedicated to drug prevention for children in schools and has delivered educational presentations to thousands of schools using a unique approach which speaks directly and effectively to children. They produce and distribute videos to school systems nationwide that give children the truth about drugs.”
Drug Free Marshals is yet another Scientology-related anti-drug program, according the San Jose Mercury News, who report that “Scientologists promote the Drug Free Marshals program solely as a community service, but critics say it is one of several techniques the church uses to recruit new members and legitimize an organization considered by some to be a cult.”
The Narconon Program
According to the California Department of Education report, the Narconon program is a “four-to-six month, drug-free rehabilitation program that includes a detoxification regimen of aerobic exercise, dry-sauna sweating, hydration and nutrition supplements; life skills trainings; and personalized plans for after-graduation living.”
The report found that Narconon materials contain the following inaccurate information:
- drugs burn up vitamins and nutrients
- drug-activated vitamin deficiency results in pain which prompts relapse
- marijuana-induced, rapid vitamin and nutrient loss causes the “munchies”
- small amounts of drugs stored in fat are released at a later time causing the person to re-experience the drug effect and desire to use again
Narconon was widely publicized at the time of Anna Nicole Smith’s death, when Scientologist John Travolta said “It’s so sad. We could have helped her with Narconon but didn’t get a chance to.” The U.K. Daily Mail reports that at the time of his death, Jett Travola had been taken off the anti-seizure drug Depakote and was being treated by the regimen of “saunas, food supplements, Vitamin B and vegetable oils which, the sect claims, can dislodge toxins trapped in the body’s fatty tissues.”
Its sister program, Criminon, recently entered the headlines when Sharron Angle, the Republican candidate for US Senate in Nevada, was attacked during the GOP primary by opponent Sue Lowden for urging that Nevada prisons adopt Criminon “Second Chance” program. Harry Reid subsequently picked up Lowden’s line of attack.
William Miller, a retired professor of psychiatry at the University of New Mexico who reviewed the program at the request of the city of Albuquerque, says that Second Chance is a “Scientology-based program that has no scientific credibility.”
Drug Rehabilitation as a Profit Center
Critics of the Narconon/Criminon programs have accused them of encouraging tough anti-drug laws because it increases their customer base — and their revenues. The Department of Health & Human Services’ Office of Applied Studies indicates that 58% of the people in drug treatment for marijuana were referred there by the criminal justice system — a higher percentage than for any other drug, including alcohol. Of those, 36% have had no use in the previous month, and 61.6% have had no previous treatment episodes.
Narconon franchises operate as independent 501-c(3) non-profit organizations in numerous states. A 2008 Form 990 filed by Narconon of Southern California (PDF) indicates that they operate three drug rehabilitation facilities in the region. During 2008, they report that “400 persons completed the program.” The treatment facilities generated revenues of $14,515,454 — or approximately $36,288 for every person who completed the program.
Recently, Narconon International applauded the expansion of insurance coverage for “substance abuse benefits” in the health care bill passed by Congress, saying that “one result of these increased benefits has been that more people throughout the country have been able to use their insurance coverage to attend Narconon® drug treatment facilities.”
By choosing Lee Baca as co-chair of “No on 19″ and offering him a platform to advance the theories of L. Ron Hubbard on their behalf, the campaign has associated itself with claims of dubious legitimacy that serve the interests of a revenue-generating enterprise. Any medical treatment organization that demands the criminalization of is patients in order to guarantee participation in their program should be instantly suspect, as should those like No on 19 Co-Chair Lee Baca who proselytize on their behalf.




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nice racket he’s got there
I have a real problem with “medical” professionals who want their patients to be criminalized for their “illness” — especially if their revenues increase as a result.
Taking a page from the “christian” religionists that have been drawing people into their cult with Alcoholics Anonymous for years….with the approval and support of law enforcement and the courts.
No kidding.
Good Morning Jane and Firedogs
Scientology as Blackwater in the drug war –
I am suddenly re-interested in reviewing Feinstein, Diane over at opensecrets.org
I direct your attention to pages 125 and 126 of Lloyd Arthur Eshbach’s science fiction memoir Over My Shoulder, wherein the (now late) Eshbach offers up this account:
Priceless. Thanks
Only in America, Land of Opportunity, la, la, la, la is a ponzi scheming, free marketeer, tea bagger tasering “Peace Keeper” celebrated for keeping us safe from drug addled terrorists. May Jane! Vote CarlyMeg! Keep Issa inna House! Audit Jerry’s engrams!
This country needs to be on Prozac. Jesus.
Always worth repeating and reminding of how this pseudo mish-mash started. The bigtime richie rich starz who subscribe to this junk get treated totally differently (like: night and day) from the average schmo who gets entangled in the maw of Scientology. But all are ripped off to the advantage of those at the top.
Thanks also for the post, which offers deep insight to at least one of the reasons why some oppose Prop 19.
In almost all cases, those opposed to it stand to lose money in one way or another. Simply it is another case of “follow the money.” The end.
How true “…mishmash of yoga, psychology, psychiatry and what-not is now labeled”:
New Age Spirituality or as some call it “Higher Consciousness”. Having been there and done that it is truly bullshit in pursuit of the greenback.
I think I get where you’re coming from, but being on prescription meds is a huge part of the problem in this nation. I would say that there’s a reason why Big Pharma pushes drugs like Prozac: to keep the populace compliant.
The rest of it is just Kabuki show put on by our corporate overlords to distract us from how badly we’re being ripped off.
actually laughing
Passage of the CA Proposition 19 will deal a serious blow to the Mexican drug cartels and to the “drug war” in general. It will also restore sanity to the California State budget by collecting sizable Cannabis revenues and eliminating the wasteful spending on the so-called anti-Cannabis “enforcement”. It is established by the science of addiction medicine that the so-called “gateway drug” theory, advanced by the opponents of the measure is a complete fantasy, as is the assertion that Cannabis is “physically addictive”. Cannabis is NOT physically addictive, as there is no clearly definable and reproducible PHYSICAL withdrawal syndrome, associated with its use, as opposed to truly physically addictive substances such as opiates or alcohol. In fact, the latest addiction medicine research reveals that Cannabis may serve as an “exit” substance with the potential of helping former alcoholics or hard drug users to abstain from alcohol, hard drugs, or even dangerous and physically addictive prescription drugs! It is also being established that Cannabis use may help prevent such serious illnesses as cancer and Alzheimer’s disease! Cannabis use also suppresses violent urges and behaviors. Let’s not be intimidated by the scare-tactics of the “opponents”, but be motivated instead by science, reason and understanding of these issues, and this means voting YES on California Proposition 19 on November 2!
Thank you for this post, Jane, and for taking on DiFi and Xenu. I’m glad we can count on you to be an SP and turn us all into PTS’s.
The Prozac comment was added sarcasm referring to Hollywood’s favorite ET:
A controversy erupted in 2005 after he openly criticized actress Brooke Shields for using the drug Paxil (paroxetine), an anti-depressant, to which Shields attributes her recovery from postpartum depression after the birth of her first daughter in 2003. Cruise asserted that there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance, and that psychiatry is a form of pseudoscience. Shields replied that she would not take advice from anyone who believed in space aliens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cruise
I hope anyone who struggles day to day with mental/emotional problems can find honest, empathic support.
Didn’t watch the vid. The sight of a major law enforcement officer and that backdrop has fulfilled my maximum daily caffeine requirement.
I am really curious about why DiFi injected herself into the Prop. 19 campaign. I doubt that she actually cares one way or the other.
1der, now you’re just being glib.
I find the contrast between Tom Cruise’ approach and John Travolta’s approach to spreading the word to be rather instructive.
Tom Cruise is obviously of the dictatorial True Believer stripe. The choice of denomination is irrelevant. We see Tom Cruise types in every religion.
Travolta simply offers information if he is approached by a seeker.
Two very different mindsets, no?
This is a superb article, well researched and well referenced. I attended a protest in Los Angeles during Baca’s reelection campaign, as he was trying to get approval for a Narconon facility in Bouquet Canyon.
It beats me how this sumbich got reelected; the public in LA seems to hate Scientology, and the dumb bunny rode on the cult float during the Christmas parade along with some B-List celebrity.
Yes, Narconon material is misleading and downright false. Exposure of this doesn’t seem to make any difference. You quoted NN material,
“Recently, Narconon International applauded the expansion of insurance coverage for “substance abuse benefits” in the health care bill passed by Congress, saying that “one result of these increased benefits has been that more people throughout the country have been able to use their insurance coverage to attend Narconon® drug treatment facilities.”
Prospective clients had better double check this claim. More than one victim has been suckered in because they were told insurance would cover a Narconon visit. This is not true. Most insurance companies don’t consider Narconon a legitimate treatment and will not reimburse applicants who mistakenly believed the nice friendly people who seem so concerned for their loved one’s addiction.
Things aren’t going so hot for Narconon lately. Narconon Newport Beach closed shop, after the city imposed very basic requirements controlling quality of treatment.
And for a real hoot, google Narconon Trois Rivieres, Scientology’s premiere showpiece in Canada. Oh, dear, they are gonna be in some trouble, as an ex-employee who left has gone after them with documents and logs outlining typical cult harassment; stalking, threats and slander.
For some reason, unqualified people are allowed to impose creepy and dangerous medical treatment on unsuspecting, vulnerable people. Narconon does not work. It does not have a 70-80 percent success rate. It recruits vulnerable people into Scientology while turning their brains to mush with excessive vitamin dosages and sauna sessions.
The problem is, in part, Narconon’s huge web presence; hundreds of websites promote the program. Some pose as “consultants” who will recommend a drug rehab. Surprise! Narconon is the only referral on their list!
It is dangerous, dishonest and fraudulent. Narconon should be avoided because the only thing effective about it is the PR that gets people through the door.
Same reason Harry Reid injected himself into the Ground Zero mosque debate.
Their compasses don’t point to magnetic north but are in free spin.
Without having done any research, I would guess it would be either the prison or pharma lobbies or both.
Why do GOP religions get to be taught in schools and we get protests if a school even has a book they don’t like?
Filled with inaccuracies but the Program is still taught? Who proposed the program be taught in the first place?
Who got this program passed? Who is their Clout? Find their Clout investigate them take them out.
Wow, thank you for sharing this! Of course, we’ve always suspected this of him and others, but how nice to have it validated.
Remember everyone: you can’t argue with God! And he’s on my side. Pay up.
Ours and the Authoritarian
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post ready: Obama Draws Line on High-End Bush Tax Cuts
It’s long past-time for a generic post about cults, their leaders, and their attributes. Especially, how they do not permit any outside information into their sphere of influence.
I’m not sure you can characterize the evil cult of Scientology as a GOP religion, what with all its glitzy Hollywood adherents. Money and power are the only things that matter to them; they’ll take anyone who is willing to be tricked into indentured servitude. Their dogma is just a front, although maybe some of them (Cruise?) are true believers. Scientology leaves more traditional religions in the dust when it comes to infiltrating schools and prisons and other institutions that are susceptible to free “tough on crime” propaganda and services.
Google scientology aleister crowley About 20,800 results (0.18 seconds)
Do the anti Pot politicians really want to be tied to a group that looked to black magic and secret cult techniques to attract and keep members? Does DiFI want to be linked to bringing there ideas to be taught to kids in our schools with our tax dollars?
Is Scientology to the Blue Dogs what the Moonies and Fundies are to the GOP?
A GOP, Blue Dog Religion ?
True. One of the creepiest things I ever saw was an expose on Scientology (maybe on 60 Minutes, can’t remember for sure) that told the story of how they overwhelmed the Cult Awareness Network (CAN) with lawsuits (which they never won), then bought their assets in bankruptcy court. Now CAN is operated by associates of the Church of Scientology.
As a product of the justice system, Criminon helped me get back on my feet and allowed me to embrace the tools necessary to stay out of the system…I didnt know anything but crime yet thanks to my Christian faith and to Second Chance I was able to love myself and discover my true potential. Assume as you may, the results speak for themselves in the transformed lives of people in need.
I worked for an ad agency run by Scientologists in Southern California (didn’t realize that until I had already taken the job). I was the only non-Conehead (my pet name for them because they spoke in their crazy fucking stilted elron speak). Despite the fact that I was an atheist and very skeptical of any sort of new agey, self-improvement pitch, they fooled me into signing up for some Dianetics class. The pretense was that it was part of my job. They took the fees for it out of my paycheck and I later found out that while they had taken taxes out of my check as well, they had not actually given the money to the IRS. It took me nine months to get out of that job and they still came and left creepy notes on my car for a few months thereafter. They don’t operate like a religion per se, so they appeal to a wide range of people who for any number of reasons may have their guard down. They are utterly contemptible. Germany has the right idea in banning them.
it has been reported here at FDL that Prison Guards are staying out of this campaign
Thanks, you’re right, I missed that.
Not sure if you are seeking information or just wanting it posted here at FDL. But here’s a useful link if you want one: http://www.cultwatch.com/hcwindex.html
Holy crap!
Sounds like tax fraud among other things.
No.
Travolta was quite actively promoting Scientology back during the Clinton administration.
Curiously, he stepped back and TC came forward when Bush was elected.
Since then, Travolta has learned that Scientology “tech” doesn’t work when his son died. He may not be the best person to promote Scientology since that incident, because it raises many uncomfortable questions.
Like, why did JT hire a wedding photographer to take care of a kid with special needs.
Yes. I didn’t find that part out until years later. I no longer lived there and it wasn’t worth getting involved with them again. I’m sure they count on their victims being too traumatized to challenge their behavior.
Tax-exempt Church business on the public dole is big business, indeed. Nice to catch one on the take, thanks to the dumbass loudmouth yahoo chew Baca.
I had seen this, or something similar, years ago and could never find it again. You’ve made my day, PW! Thanks!
Frakin’ Scientologists are always posting pieces at PhillyIMC. We’re free speech hard-liners, so we decided I shouldn’t delete their pieces, but could post critical comments in response. It works pretty good. The Scientologists can’t attack me in a legal manner as I just post other people’s pieces, but our audience gets educated.
I’ll definitely remember to use this piece in response to their next post.
Pathologizing the use of pot makes many people a boat load of cash. Reason and compassion have gone the way of the horse and buggy.
(boat, horse, buggy, what next? a spaceship?)
Thank you for the report, Jane. I prefer the word, “unconscionable.” Whatever happened to that “Golden Rule” stuff?
These days, the “______ as a Profit Center” too often includes the “captured profits” meme which means, if there is a real cure, these folks will never get it by design because, you see, “compassion” is only available to the monied class regardless of what they did to get there and what they do to stay there (no accountability ever).
If 10% of the stuff on this website ( http://www.xenu.net ) is true, then Scientology is a criminal enterprise, infintely more dangerous than any of the pot-related crime Baca thinks he’s surrounded by.
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As a Christian who takes seriously Jesus command to do unto others what I would have them do unto me, I know that if my child were using marijuana, I’d want to work with him or her as a parent rather than seeing him or her with a criminal record, in jail with the sexual predators, lose their college financial aid, and all of the very real harm that would be caused, not by the marijuana, but by the law. I would hate for that to happen to anyone’s child, but it does, every day. Every single day. It’s the law.
Likewise, if my aging parents were to try a little marijuana to ease the aches and pains of growing older, I would not want to see the police confiscate their home and sell it under the property forfeiture laws. I’d hate for that to happen to anyone’s parent, but it does. Every day. Every single day. It’s the law.
All the anti-prop-19 arguments boil down to “it’s better to put people in jail than to let ordinary Americans grow a little marijuana in their own back yards.”
The key to putting an end to this mess: Register to vote. You’ve got to register well in advance of election day; it only takes five minutes (even if you have to download a form and take it downtown, it’s well worth the effort). All of these links use the usual h t t p : / / w w w prefix:
California:
sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm or to vote by mail
sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_m.htm
Vermont
vermont-elections.org/elections1/registertovote.html
South Dakota:
sdsos.gov/electionsvoteregistration/registrationvoting.shtm
Arizona:
Voter info:
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Register: azsos.gov/election/voterregistration.htm
Michigan: michigan.gov/documents/MIVoterRegistration_97046_7.pdf
Oregon: oregonvotes.org/votreg/vreg.htm
Others: Google your state name and “voter registration.”
College students: You can usually register as a citizen of either your hometown or your college residence town. Share the voter registration info through your student newspaper, twitter, etc.
Everybody: Most states allow early voting and/or vote-by-mail, so once you’re registered, go ahead and request a ballot (at the voter info site for your state). Save a trip to the polls and get it done while you’re thinking about it.
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I’m alluding to a JT response in an interview before his son’s death, if that makes any difference. But I didn’t know about the active promotion during the Clinton years, so I stand corrected.
BTW, I was only referencing a diff in TC and JT’s response to nonbelievers. I’m not delving into all their life choices.
I am a Multiple Sclerosis patient and Im shell-shocked about this. How dare this cult dictate to me what medicine I can and can’t use. A doctor evaluated me and asked me if I would be willing to try cannabis. I never used it but at that point, loosing my mobility and experiencing continuous leg cramps, I had nothing to loose.
I began to use medical cannabis, and use it daily. I am very glad to report that it relieves many of my symptoms, especially uncontrollable cramps which are my specific problem and is incredibly painful.
HOW DARE Scientology try to deny me, a person who is not of their religion of my medicine. HOW DARE Sheriff Baca lie about the Cults Narconon program, which whenever studied, showed that it’s claims of 75-80% effectiveness are utterly and absolutely false.
I’m just shocked that Sheriff Baca is either so completely unaware of the reality of the treatments he’s advocating, or has been well paid for his opinions. Why is this man the Sheriff again? Where is the accountability to his constituents? Why does he have such a cozy relationship with a damn freaky cult?
I guess since I dont have millions upon millions of dollars, my opinion counts for naught, however Mr. David Miscavige seems to have the ear of our Sheriff whenever needed.
PATHETIC.
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Best regards,
Shana Tova!
Loretta G.
yeah, no kidding. Each of the bulleted “facts” are very common, really old tropes among Marijuana smokers. Of course there’s nothing at all scientific about scientology. any scientologists out there today that want me to explain your belief system to you? How Hubbard took the ancient gnostic magical beliefs he learned from Aleistair Crowleys OTO and grafted spaceships and rayguns onto them, then sold it to desparate suckers?
“Pathologizing”- good word. I’d like to borrow it.
NARCONON is yet another rip-off/Scientology indoctrination and recruitment efforts. Hubbard wasn’t a medical doctor, a nuclear scientist, or any other diploma mill titles he assigned to himself. I just googled about what Narconon’s method of treatment is, and here’s what was revealed:
DRUG TREATMENT:
Hubbard’s purification treatments are the mainstay of Narconon, a Scientology-run chain of 33 alcohol and drug rehabilitation centers — some in prisons under the name “Criminon” — in 12 countries. Narconon, a classic vehicle for drawing addicts into the cult, now plans to open what it calls the world’s largest treatment center, a 1,400-bed facility on an Indian reservation near Newkirk, Okla. (pop. 2,400). At a 1989 ceremony in Newkirk, the Association for Better Living and Education presented Narconon a check for $200,000 and a study praising its work. The association turned out to be part of Scientology itself. Today the town is battling to keep out the cult, which has fought back through such tactics as sending private detectives to snoop on the mayor and the local newspaper publisher.
“Narconon’s program is not safe,” the Oklahoma Board of Mental Health said in a 1992 rejection of Chilocco New Life Center, a Scientology residential hospital on an Indian reservation in Newkirk, Okla.
“No scientifically well-controlled studies were found that documented the safety of the Narconon program,” the board said.
http://www.Stop-Narconon.org
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/whatisnn.htm
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/le-nouvelliste-very-bad-memories-july-12-2010-a-69265/
http://www.prlog.org/10830624-david-edgar-love-vs-narconon-trois-rivieres-the-wheels-of-justice.html
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/archives/4722
So what can I surmise? Narconon is not only medically dangerous, it’s also a rip-off, and a scientology recruitment vehicle.
Terrible.
Loretta
Well your guess is wrong, she is a big time drug warrior from way back. I emailed her years ago telling her I figured out a solution to war in Iraq. The answer back was a Blackwater helicopter with machine guns, etc. She is not nice at all.
A note on prop 19.
Please have some FDL person check the website for buying prop 19 stuff, I get an error message telling me to contact you.
I may not be in good with paypal, is there some other way for me to get a Just Say Now hemp T shirt? I have a feeling I’ll still be wanting it many years from now. As a reminder.
[modnote: fixed, thank you.]
Alcoholics Anonymous has saved millions of lives and families. Without religion. Look it up.
I know someone who did the Narcanon treatment program. It saved their life. They have been off of all drugs for 10 yrs now. The program not only gets you off of drugs, but rehabilitates self-respect for yourself and others. It gives a drug addict tools that he can take into life and apply so as to not fall back into the drug rut. You shouldn’t knock something that you’ve never tried.
I live down the street from a big church here in LA. The people are very friendly, mind their own business. They do many outreach programs in the community. They have tutoring programs, arts programs, etc. They do not force anything on anyone in the community. They are hugely against drugs, or any kind, unless strictly for medical purposes. Maybe they don’t consider medical marajuana in that category????
Personally, I don’t ever take any drugs of any kind for any reason, unless medically necessary. (surgery, etc) However, I think it’s a personal choice that people have to make. By having them be illegal THAT increases crime, folks in jail, etc. I grew up in the 60′s, my parents had a huge pot farm on the Sacramento river!! LOL I’ve never personally observed that making drugs illegal makes them any less available, or purchased, or used. If people want to get stoned, they’re gonna do it.
The reason I’m so anti-drug….because I watched my usually very responsible, upper-middle class, well educated parents go crazy on drugs every weekend with their friends. They were sexually promiscuous, and quite neglectful of me (only on weekends!) I didn’t like it, and decided at age 10 that I would never take street or mind altering drugs. I’ve never wavered.
YES!!!! My mother, auntie, uncle and cousin…..all of whom have been alchoholics, as well as drug addicts have done the AA program. ALL are free of booze and drugs COMPLETELY and have been for 10-20-30 yrs now. It gave them a program to follow, a buddy to call if needed 24/7, and a way to forgive themselves for all the shitty things they did to themselves, and a way to ask for forgiveness and/or make amends to those who they screwed over.
They are all productive, wonderful, intelligent, liberal members of society that have happy and drug/booze free lives. NONE of them are religious at all. None of them did any kind of religious program with AA.
Religion doens’t have to be bad. Drug treatment programs don’t have to be bad. AA, Narcanon and Criminon save peoples lives. Don’t knock something you’ve never done.
AA does not charge anyone a dime and certainly doesn’t advocate for people in the program being treated as criminals. Don’t compare the two programs.
I didn’t say they were the same.
Narcanon does not advocate that the folks doing the program be treated as criminals.
Just because a drug treatment program costs money, doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with it. It either works, or it doesn’t.
Thank you Jane. The reasons that AA and NA work are fundamentally different from most other rehab and treatment programs. They don’t charge, they don’t make demands, and they foster an environment for you to develop a belief system free of anyone else’s.
Narconon and Criminon demand payment and the following of strict criteria. AA and NA make suggestions.
The 12 Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous(.pdf) including
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When you have John Travolta and Tom Cruise and Lee Baca promoting your program, you’re doing it wrong.
There is nothing wrong with following strict criteria. Alot of folks do very well with that sort of structure. There is nothing wrong with charging for a drug treatment program…particularly if it works.
I’m a huge proponent of both AA, and Narcanon. I’ve had close fam do AA very successfully, and it’s worked long term for them. I have a friend who did Narcanon successfully, and it’s worked long term. The Narcanon friend needed an in-patient, structured environment due to the severity of his issues. This program worked beautifully for him.
If something works, there is no point in knocking it. Drug addicts and alcoholics aren’t any good to anyone. If a program works to get them off of the drug……DO IT!!!!!!!
They absolutely do advocate against legalization, even of medical marijuana:
Here’s Mary Reiser, Executive Director of Narconon GA:
Their rhetoric is as hard-core anti-legalization as the hardest-core culture warrior.
You said: “certainly doesn’t advocate for people in the program being treated as criminals”.
Which I took to mean that you thought folks who were doing the Narcanon pgm were treated as criminals. Hence, my reply.
I’d have to see the whole quote from this Exec Dir b4 saying if I agree or not with what she says.
However, both Narcanon and AA work. I am all for any program that has success at getting people off of booze and drugs.
If you are a recreational user and get stoned after work at night, that’s your business. But too many people fall into the trap of real drug abuse, and it ruins lives, livlihoods, families, etc. I can see why a drug treatment program might take a very hard line on the subject considering who ends up being their patients/clients.
This rhetoric comes almost verbatim from ONDCP. Maybe it’s just that Scientologists are easily brainwashed.
“The lie that medical marijuana is safe”
http://www.theantidrug.com/pdfs/resources/marijuana/Marijuana_Strategizer.pdf
“Anyone who uses marijuana regularly is more likely to be violent”:
http://www.theantidrug.com/pdfs/TeensDrugsandViolenceNewsletter.pdf
Narconon invariably makes claims of very high success rates – anything up to 85%, a remarkable figure when one considers that conventional drug rehabilitation programmes achieve only a rate of around 20-30%. It is, however, extraordinarily difficult to obtain the source data for such figures. They appear never to have been published.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/studies.htm
The 84.6% percent figure quoted by the Narconon and the Church of Scientology corresponds to 11 out of the 13 people interviewed after completion saying that they were not using drugs presently. The alternative figure of 78.6 percent refers to 11 out of the 14 completions (but is skewed due to the uncontactable 14th person being counted as a failure). This is, to say the least, a very partial presentation of figures which overall are extremely unflattering for Narconon:
* 77% of those who enrolled on the course quit before completing it.
* 50% of those who did complete it went back onto drugs afterwards (and another 14% somewhat mysteriously didn’t know if they had or not).
* 54% of those interviewed afterwards who did not complete it went back onto drugs.
* 34% of enrollees said they had completed the programme and relapsed but claimed to be drug free at the moment.
* 6.6% of enrollees said they had stayed totally drug free for one year afterwards.
If you support prohibition then you’re not only a follower of a strange Cult, a black market profiteer, a sadomoralist, a socialist or a fake-conservative, you’ve also helped trigger the worst crime wave in this planet’s history.
Based on the unalterable proviso that drug use is essentially an unstoppable and ongoing human behavior which has been with us since the dawn of time, any serious reading on the subject of past attempts at any form of drug prohibition would point most normal thinking people in the direction of sensible regulation.
By its very nature, prohibition cannot fail but create a vast increase in criminal activity, and rather than preventing society from descending into anarchy, it actually fosters an anarchic business model – the international Drug Trade. Any decisions concerning quality, quantity, distribution and availability are then left in the hands of unregulated, anonymous and ruthless drug dealers, who are interested only in the huge profits involved. Thus the allure of this reliable and lucrative industry with it’s enormous income potential that consistently outweighs the risks associated with the illegal operations that such a trade entails, will remain with us until we are collectively forced to admit the obvious.
There is therefore an irrefutable connection between drug prohibition and the crime, corruption, disease and death it causes. Anybody ‘halfway bright’, and who’s not psychologically challenged, should be capable of understanding that it is not simply the demand for drugs that creates the mayhem, it is our refusal to allow legal businesses to meet that demand. If you are not capable of understanding this connection then maybe you’re using something far stronger than the rest of us. So put away your pipe, lock yourself away in a small room with some tinned soup and water, and try to crawl back into reality A.S.A.P.
Because Drug cartels will always have an endless supply of ready cash for wages, bribery and equipment, no amount of tax money, police powers, weaponry, wishful thinking or pseudo-science will make our streets safe again. Only an end to prohibition can do that! How much longer are you willing to foolishly risk your own survival by continuing to ignore the obvious, historically confirmed solution?
If you support the Kool-Aid mass suicide cult of prohibition, and erroneously believe that you can win a war without logic and practical solutions, then prepare yourself for even more death, tortured corpses, corruption, terrorism, sickness, imprisonment, economic tribulation, unemployment and the complete loss of the rule of law.
He ran unopposed. You either voted Lee Baca for Sheriff or you didn’t vote for Sheriff.
You’re demostrating your ignorance on the subject here. Alcoholism and drug addiction are diseases. A physical allergy accompanied by a mental compulsion. They are a recognized clinical condition that cannot be cured or treated by medical means.
Tell that to my employer, or my wife. Or my children. I haven’t touched a drink or drug in almost 9 years, and, God willing, I’ll be able to make a similar statement (adjusted for time, of course) the day I die. But I am, and always will be, an alcoholic. And a drug addict. I’m just not actively drinking and using.
Narconon claims to cure something that’s incurable. They lie to our youth and exploit our public officials. This is not the way to go about helping folks.
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How have I displayed ignorance?
I have family that have successfully done AA. They are clean and sober for 20-30 years now. I have a friend that did Narcanon successfully, and has been clean and sober, and drug free for atleast 10 yrs now.
I’m all too familiar with druggies and drinkers. You don’t own this subject KrisAin. There are many others of us that watched our fathers act like crazy people and rip cupboards off of kitchen cabinets in a drunken rage. Or who have watched their mother shoot-up heroin in the front living room with friends. Time to get off your high horse, honey.
You can call it a “cure”, or “treatment” or whatever the hell you want. BUT….when my fam and friends got off of the their drug of choice and started becoming the wonderful people that they are I was hella glad. I can’t fathom what your problem is with anything I’m saying!
Specifically as an ex-drunk, I’m surprised that you would argue about another drunk or druggie successfully getting off of the booze by whatever means works for them.
Again, you’re missing the forest for the trees.
Active members of Alcoholics Anonymous will be the first to tell you you don’t “successfully do” AA. It’s a lifelong process. AA is a “daily reprieve contingent on the maintenance of our spiritual condition”. It’s “practice, not perfection”.
Scientology is a cult. It’s like replacing drinking with heroin. Or heroin with gambling. It’s setting people up for another fall. Narconon teaches a method of recovery grounded in the principles of Scientology. Are you following me here?
I’m glad you have friends and family members that are clean and sober. I’m glad they’ve become productive members of society. That puts a smile on my face. I’m not trying to argue here. I’m simply correcting your misconceptions.
Hey KrisAin,
Thank you for the response. Appreciate the sentiment re my fam/friends. Congratulations to you on your sobriety as well. :)
I am familiar with the “daily reprieve…” status of an alcoholic/drug abuser. Maybe I threw around the words “cure” or “treatment” too casually with regards to recovery. I can see your disagreement with me doing so.
My fam has been clean & sober for so long now, that I think of them as cured. However, I know they don’t! They fully embrace what you say, and live by it, every day. Thank goodness!! :)
Re Scientology/Narcanon…I have to disagree with you on this one. It’s not been my personal experience. I can’t deny the benefits that I’ve observed from the Narcanon program. My friend, and others he met on the program have been clean and sober for many, many years and doing very well in life as a result.
So we may not agree 100% on it all, but I feel that I understand where you come from much better, and I can see why. I hope that this reply communicates effectively my thoughts, and you can feel in kind towards me. :)
Yeah, so what if Narconon is only a Scientology front-group whose purpose is to make people addicted to Scientology, who cares if it’s only proof are “success stories” that are sometimes extracted under duress and are basically just marketing. It also doesn’t matter that the only people who say good things about Narconon/Sceintology are the Scientologist who patrol the internet for criticism.
I’d like to remind the psych and BIg-Pharma sponsored bigots that I have successfuly used L Ron Hubbard’s workable technology to keep large asteroids from striking the Earth in the past two decades. See, it hasn’t happened, so if there wasn’t anything to Scientology/Dianetics how could this be possible. And hey, if we can protect planetary intergrity then I think we could at least get 80% of people off drugs.
I think what we had here was a failure to communicate, and I was probably a bit overzealous. I owe my life to AA, and it doesn’t ask for anything in return but to be there for the next person that’s suffering. So if I offended, I’m sorry. I wish you and your’s nothing but the best.
I’m sure that Narconon has helped many people recover, but for that they demand payment. I just think that’s fundamentally wrong.
Scientology has been supporting Sheriff Baca for a long time, and it flows both ways. The sheriff rides in the Scientology float in the Hollywood Xmas parade and is often at their fund raisers. I look forward to voting him out of office.
Narconon is a gateway drug to Scientology, and advocates “Purif” a program of saunas,drinking vegetable oil and taking increasingly higher doses of niacin which allegedly remove toxins–including radiation, facepalm.jpg–from your body.
Google Peaches Geldof scientology sauna to get a good idea of how effective the program is/NOT
Afternoon!
I agree re “failure to communicate”. It’s difficult to express thoughts sometimes on the computer with someone you don’t know.
Your zeal is completely understandable, and admirable. You fight the good fight every day. :)
Best to you and your fam.
The difference is Alcoholics Anonymous doesn’t cost you anything, nor do masquerade pseudoscience as fact in a manner that is dangerous to its participants.
Narconon forces you to overdose on Niacin, spend hours in a sauna, and claims to treat drug addiction through vitamins and exercise. Not only that, they have the gall to make you pay thousands of dollars to destroy your body under the ruse of helping.