The Democrats have decided to once again go on the attack against Republicans for wanting to privatize Social Security. Even Steny Hoyer is banging that gong. They’ve apparently remembered that they kicked the GOP’s ass in 2006 on the same issue, and thought it might be a good idea to revive it on the eve of the election.
President Obama devoted his weekly radio address today to Social Security, saying the Republicans were “pushing to make privatizing Social Security a key part of their legislative agenda if they win a majority in Congress this fall.”
Democrats have been able to seize on the issue because of a proposal by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the top Republican on the House Budget Committee, that would allow younger people to put Social Security money into personal accounts.
Ryan’s idea is similar to a proposal pushed unsuccessfully by former President George W. Bush. It’s not been endorsed by party leaders and has attracted only a small number of GOP co-sponsors.
If Obama thinks Ryan’s privatization plan is such a bad idea, why did he appoint Ryan to the 18 member Catfood Commission tasked with dealing with Social Security? In fact, why did he stack the commission with privatizers and budget hawks in the first place?
Obama’s campaign/transition team advisers on Social Security, Nancy Altman and Eric Kingson, have called the commission “a Social Security death panel.” As they have pointed out, raising the retirement age to 70 (which Hoyer supports) is a 20% benefit cut. So if you “add” private accounts on top of that, it is in fact privatization. These “trims” to “save” Social Security are nothing more than a sneaky sleight-of-hand to trick the public into accepting something they very much oppose, giving the “unprofessional left” (i.e., the Jon Chait JournoList set) some nonsense to shove down their throats to pacify them.
If the President truly is interested in protecting Social Security from the privatizers, and not just demagoguing the issue for political advantage, he sure assembled a strange crew for the job. Extra points for appointing defense contractor CEO David M. Cote of Honeywell to the commission. It was recently reported that Cote opposed cutting defense contracting to reduce the deficit, and instead wanted military personnel to pay for their own healthcare.
No wonder the commission doesn’t want their deliberations open to the public:
| Member | Open to cutting benefits?
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Expressed support for privatization?
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Conflicts of Interest
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| Erskine Bowles, Chair | YES - Bowles is on the record that the commission will “mess with Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, because if you take those off the table, you can’t get there. | YES - Negotiated deal with Newt Gingrich to raise Social Security retirement age & some privatization under Clinton; deal was stopped by Lewinski scandal. | Sits on the board of Morgan Stanley. Wife Candice is on the board of JP Morgan Chase. Finance, insurance & real estate sector donated over $3 million to his unsuccessful 2004 Senate bid. |
| Alan Simpson, R-WY-ret, Co-Chair | YES - When asked about cuts he would recommend to the President and Congress on CNBC, Simpson said “We are going to stick to the big three,” meaning Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. | YES - “[A]s recently as 2005, Simpson…supported attempts by President George Bush to privatize Social Security by turning part of the pension and insurance program into millions of individual investment accounts, which by now would have lost 20 percent of their value.” (2/27/2010) | Simpson and Peterson were appointed to Bill Clinton’s Bipartisan Commission on Entitlement Reform in 1994. Both voted to recommend partial privatization of Medicare, and raising Social Security age of eligibility to 70, Simpson awarded “Economic Patriot” award by Peterson’s Concord Coalition in 1996. |
| Ann Fudge | Unknown | Unknown | Board member on the Council of Foreign Relations, where Peterson is Chairman Emeritus and Robert Rubin is Director/Co-Chair, fundraiser for Obama campaign, Novartis Board of Directors |
| Alice Rivlin | YES - Co-author with OMB director Peter Orszag of a Brookings report titled “Restoring Fiscal Sanity” advocating $47 billion in entitlement cuts, including an “increase in the retirement age under Social Security” and “more accurate inflation adjustments to Social Security benefits.” | Unknown | Board member with Pete Peterson on Committee for a Responsible Budget, Former board member with Peterson of Public Agenda (Peterson gave them $500,000 in 2009), Advisory Council member of Robert Rubin’s Hamilton Project, Senior Fellow at the Economic Studies Program at the Brookings Institute (position funded by Peterson Foundation/Concord Coalition donations). |
| John Spratt (D-SC) | Yes - “House Budget Committee Chairman John Spratt of South Carolina and his counterpart in the Senate, Kent Conrad of North Dakota….are promoting a “grand bargain” in which a bipartisan commission enacts spending caps on social insurance as the offset for current deficits.” (2/23/2009) | Yes - “Spratt favors supplementing Social Security with a private savings plan that would either be mandatory “or else so attractive that everyone would sign up for it.” He also advocates investing about 20 percent of the Social Security trust fund in the stock market.” (4/7/1998, per Lexis) | |
| Andy Stern | Unknown – Previously opposed to cuts, but said recently that entitlement programs “need to be re-examined”. | Expressed support for of “the possibility of add-on universal private accounts.” | |
| Dick Durbin (D-IL) | YES - Durbin admonished “bleeding heart liberals” to be open to program reductions to restore fiscal balance. | Unknown | |
| David M Cote | Likely – Cote is a Republilcan. | Unknown | CEO of defense contractor Honeywell. The defense industry has consolidated itself into a few big players, and they see their financial futures in competition with social safety net programs for government dollars. They won big when 9/11 blew the lock off the Social Security “lockbox.” |
| Paul Ryan (R-WI) | YES - Ryan’s recently released budget plan calls for “enormous tax cuts for the affluent and “very large benefit cuts… in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.” | YES - Ryan proposes to give people under age 55 the choice of opting out of Social Security into privatized personal accounts. | Ranking minority member on House budget committee. |
| Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) | YES – On Hardball, “Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) argued that to balance the budget Congress needed to consider reducing Social Security spending for yet-to-be-retired beneficiaries.” (2/2/10) | Yes - In a 2005 Congressional hearing, said that “the trust fund has already been raided 59 different times,” but that “with the exception of the great depression there has never been a four year consecutive period where the stock market has declined.” If allowing people to invest in half their Social Security in a personal account will “give them greater retirement security,” he said, “why wouldn’t we choose that plan?” | Second ranking minority member on House budget comittee |
| Dave Camp (R-MI) | Likely – Says he doesn’t want to cut current retirees’ monthly checks, but Diamond-Orszag plan being pushed by the Obama administration cuts benefits for future retirees who are now under 55. | Yes - “He was a strong supporter of Bush’s proposal to create private investment accounts within Social Security, despite the backlash the plan encountered,” per CQ Healthbeat, 2/2/09 (Nexix). Also a signatory to Republican Main Street Partnership 98-RMSP3. | Ranking minority member, Ways & Means Committee |
| Xavier Becerra (D-CA) | No | No | |
| Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) | No | No | |
| Judd Gregg (R-NH) | Yes - Gregg’s plan “would reduce the traditional guaranteed
retirement benefits for today’s workers. ” (USA Today, 7/27/98, Nexis) |
Yes - Gregg’s solution to “Social Security’s fiscal problems” included “large-scale privatization” and raising the eligibility age to 70 by the year 2029. | Ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee |
| Tom Coburn (R-OK) | Yes - “There are only three things you can do with Social Security,” Coburn said. “You can raise taxes on Social Security, you can allow option-out into private accounts or you can delay retirement age…I’m not for raising taxes on Social Security when you fix it other ways.” (4/25/10)
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Yes - “Coburn called for creation of private accounts that would keep Congress from spending the money.” (Oklahoman, 11/26/04, Nexis) | |
| Mike Crapo (R-ID) | Likely – Co-sponsor of the DeMint-Crapo Amendment, which would have “made no changes to the benefits of those Americans born before January 1, 1950.” Like Dave Camp, implied benefit cuts to those born afterwards. | Yes - DeMint-Crapo Amendment would have “provided a voluntary option for younger Americans to obtain legally binding ownership of a portion of their [Social Security[ benefits…I believe that individuals have the right to make decisions about their own money.” | |
| Max Baucus (D-MT) | Likely – Baucus said he was open to discussion if Bush would take privatization off the table | Unknown | Chairman of the Senate Committee on Finance, tapped by Reid to lead the battle against President Bush‘s privatization of Social Security. But according to Yglesias, “the Democrats’ only real victory of the last five years–stuffing the administration on Social Security–came after Harry Reid explicitly ordered Baucus not to negotiate with the White House.” |
| Kent Conrad (D-ND) | Yes - “House Budget Committee Chairman John Spratt of South Carolina and his counterpart in the Senate, Kent Conrad of North Dakota….are promoting a “grand bargain” in which a bipartisan commission enacts spending caps on social insurance as the offset for current deficits.” (2/23/2009) | Yes – “I think there is a kernel of a good idea with individual accounts because we do need to find a way to get a higher rate of return on funds invested in Social Security. But I cannot support a plan that is financed by massive new debt.…This administration is not collecting the taxes that are due now. Hundreds of billions of dollars a year that are owed that are not being paid. We should do that. That would give us a new revenue stream that could be applied to individual accounts and the other parts of the budget deficits that are hurting the country.” (This Week, February 13, 2005, Nexis) | Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. |
Update, 3pm ET: DDay points out that in the Executive Order establishing the Catfood Commission, Obama granted the right to the Minority Leader of the House to appoint three members, and that’s how Ryan made it on to the commission.
However, here’s Clinton’s Presidential Order establishing the Danforth Commission. As it shows, the precedent is for “30 members to be appointed by the President.” Granting that authority to the Republican leadership for the catfood commission was, yes, something the Obama was responsible for. You say technically he didn’t appoint Ryan himself, but if you choose to set the parameters like that, of course that means Ryan will be on. Privatizing Social Security is his baliwick.
You can’t tie your own hands and then say “they made me do it.”




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Thanks Jane — glad you are exposing this disaster
Glad you wrote this, Jane. It’s exactly what’s needed and wanted right now. What are we 13,14 weeks shy of the primaries? There will be a huge thud in November…the republicans hitting the floor en masse. I assume you know the answer to your headline question, but for others, the answer is strategy. Keep on keepin’ on, Jane.
My first thought, on reading about this over at the Great Orange Satan, was, ‘SS is in real trouble. President Fierce Advocate is supporting it.’
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Jane, I want to get a Professional Left tag for my cubicle at work next year; we’re going to be sharing a floor with some people, one of whom is a birther/climate denier (and he doesn’t think schools should be publicly funded, either).
Ways to cut Federal Budget and/or raise revenues without touching Social Security:
Close the 750 or so US Military installations worldwide that are remnants of WWII and the Cold War.
Stop two wars/occupations of choice in Irak and Afghanistan
Stop outsourcing of DoD tasks formerly performed by GIs (cooking, cleaning, civil engineering, law enforcement/base and post security, infrastructure, accounting & finance, etc)
End tax breaks for companies that outsource US jobs to other countries.
End tax breaks and block from US contracts companies that incorporate in tax havens with mail drop “offices” such as the Cayman Islands, Switzerland, and Lichtenstein.
End most Cold War era DoD acquisitions (new aircraft carriers, new attack nuclear submarines, new bombers and fighter programs, new missile systems, etc)
Legalize most all psychoactive substances and end the so-called “War on drugs” (divert most of the funds to massive increases in treatment and education programs)
Tax Capital Gains (unearned income) at same rates as earned income.
Return tax rates to pre-Reagan era
This seems to be a start to “solving” the budget woes.
Why did he appoint Ryan? Well that’s easy to answer.
Part of his eleventy-bazillion dimensional chess strategy…
This must be some mighty complicated 11 dimensional chess.
If it were me, there would be no Catfood Commission in the first place…but if there was I would sure stack it with FDR Democrats and people whose only income was Social Security.
I’m sure they’d find other things to cut.
The guy’s all over the map. It makes me wonder what’s worse, having a newbie who doesn’t get how DC works, or someone who’s so deeply imbedded in DC politics and lobbyists that they can’t make any righteous, independent choices. Is it too early in the day for a big old harrumph!?
I see I owe you a Coke.:)
That’s a deal. ;-)
I’ll send you a soda for posting this thread on FB. MARGOT!
Why did Obama appoint Ryan? Isn’t the short answer that he didn’t? Obama appointed 6 of the 18 members. 6 came from the House and 6 from the Senate and half of each chamber’s delegation came from each party.
Didn’t the legislation creating the Catfood Commission mandate that a certain number of the catfood commisioners be elected Congress critters, and that both the Dem and Rep parties be represented equally? And then didn’t the Rep leadership (according to longstanding tradition) then nominate its own chosen members to the White House?
Just saying — it’s a little bit of a stretch to stretch to imply that Obama chose Ryan among all the qualified candidate out there.
That being said, you rightly criticize the White House for choosing a large number of proven assholes (hello, Alan Simpson!).
Y’know Opposite Day? Well, he’s Opposite President.
If a commission made up of a majority of people who support reducing or eliminating or privatizing Social Security concludes or is compelled to conclude that reductions in Social Security are not the answer to debt reduction, then I submit the issue is settled for a long while. At least 10 years. I know that is “Obama as Mind-fucker”, and I can’t believe he is that crafty to have wanted to take the risk, but think about it, if there is enough momentum to push this commission’s proceedings into the daylight, they’ll never get away with proposals that gut social security. People will come unglued if they start hearing this stuff on the news at night ” And in today’s Deficit Commission proceedings….” I think what we can do is keep pushing to force this thing into a public venue. I don’t think any public body should ever meet behind closed doors for any reason other than employee discipline. Keep up the pressure Jane. “Sunshine on the Catfood makes me happy….”
I guess Obama invited incurably insane people like Ryan and Alan Simpson in the belief that somehow, “reasoning” together would be a conciliatory gesture to the GOP that would help us move forward together. Get a clue. Sociopaths are in it for themselves and have no concept what empathy or compassion is.
Note to Obama: You cannot fix Stupid or the incurably insane and putting a thin veneer of respectability over the fraudulent premise of your “commission” still makes it fraud.
You are in business to serve the public interest, not the whims of the moneyed elite. Turn away from the siren song of these elitist Loreleis before you wind up crashing on the rocks.
Dean Baker reported on Grit TV last week that Clinton also wanted to privatize social security. Then the blue dress turned up and he had to pander to the base. Both parties are hellbent on breaking it off in us, only the Republicans are more open about it.
This mornings papers are full of Obama supporting the mosque at ground zero. I don’t believe it has a damn thing to do with religious freedom. I believe it’s a purely political move to energize the GOP base even more, thus assuring he has the republicans to work with when the time comes to kill social security. I thinkj he’s a devious, conniving asshole.
I thinkj he’s a devious, conniving asshole.
I’m not sure that Jane’s post was going that far. Perhaps you’re just pissed off this morning. Again. *g*
I don’t know how old you are, but I think I’m older than you.
I knew I would get blasted for my comment, but that’s all right. I truly appreciate the passion of this community. Although it can be frustrating for me to read some of the comments against the President and his team, I am confident that they are on the same page and that very little is done without Obama’s approval and consent.
Everyone makes mistakes, and there have been some that have gone off-script a few times, but I would bet that for the most part all has been caluclated. You think Gibbs went off the reservation? Not a chance. Even if he did on that first day (because he was sick, it was hot, his family life was tough, whatever may have been going on with him personally, you can rest assured he was given the ‘go ahead’ in subsequent days. It’s that make lemonade theory. If you don’t believe me, check in with an adept political strategist (I admit there aren’t many, but they’re out there) and he/she will fill in the blanks.
Many of the same people that derailed real HCR are on this new Obama appointed panel. Clearly Obama will repeat his past behavior of rolling over on whatever the right want after the election and saying the professional left are crazy.
Fool me once, shame on you, Barak Obama.
Ok, so I guess I should have watched the video first. He says he is against privatizing Social Security. He did not say he is against raising the retirement age, means testing and other things tossed around that actually reduce benefits.
Clinton-Gingrich pact described here.
(Uh, Jane does mention that in the table of commissioners, including noting Bowles’ role – and she has also pointed it out in previous posts on the Sovereign Default/Cat Food Commission)
He says no before he says yes. It’s all about November.
I’m listening to something else on another window, so I can’t recall specifics, but I have a vague memory from reading The Pact that Bowles comes across as a real dunce during the Clinton administration.
So, only two firm NO’s and all it takes is 4?
My question is why Obama set this up in the first place.
The dis-ingenuousness of saying the Republicans did it is astounding. You’d have to be really stoopid to believe that.
I hear that HRC mess is on the table as well after a year of wasted time and kabuki over that piece of dog excrement.
then Pelosi scheduling and Up or down vote which, I thi8nk would not even require the full house to be present looks like a lump of coal in old folks and the disabled stockings this Christmas.
Unbelievable people are even willing to entertain this idea after all the other looting in plain sight of the last two years.
I really think the gov has been replaced by aliens or replicants of some other species, they don’t seem human anymore.
If the “professional Left” hadn’t caught Alan Simpson out of doors, nobody would even know this was happening until it’s Waaaaay too late and the check didn’t’ come in.
I really think the aliens want a complete collapse of society and blood in the streets. They’ve sure got US divided enough for it to happen.
Recommended reading: BREATHLESS – Dean Koontz
It’s fast and sweet
I’ve been pissed off for 18 months; it didn’t just start this morning. It started with Rahm, Geithner, and summers and progressed to the boiling point during health care.
I’m 59, but I’m not sure what age has to do with a damn thing. I didn’t know right and wrong had anything to do with age.
was gonna do a seminal acct of this proposterous senario…Barry you speak with forked tounge
Obama’s weakest constituency are older, primarily not-of-color, middle-class Americans who are receiving SS and Medicare benefits that they have paid into all of their working lives. Hell, his maternal grandparents were of this constituency. No way on earth he will let them be punished anymore than they already have been by way of the economic collapse and the insurance industry robbery. In the next few weeks he will focus on this group almost exclusively, but he will also be attentive to minorities. The Democrats need to cement these votes, and since he’s the head Democrat, it’s his responsibilty to bring them on board for the party.
Hmmm… A “Straw Dogs” Commission? Maybe so.
I think it is more “in your face division tactics” get/keep everybody riled up. Can’t let anybody get comfy with each other.
Sacred ground, my ass. have they even got the monument put up?
Uh, I only have dial up internet service where I live. The wait time is quite frustrating and the table did not appear when I first logged on. I’m so very sorry that I missed Jane’s previous comments on this, but I don’t spend every waking minute sitting here waiting for something to appear on my screen. Be thankful for your high speed internet service, not everyone is so fortunate.
its all about kabuki theatre and crumbs to the audience
Obama is a far-right conservative posing as a centrist Democrat. This theory explains everything the Administration has done, and failed to do.
The Corporate Way
Jane, can you put “Fuck that moderate repulican Obama” on your professional left tag?
Did that dickhole create the catfood commission and give these professional assholes a platform to push their radical capitalist agenda on america JUST so Obama could look tough running against the radical capitalist commission HE FUCKING CREATED to get liberal votes?
He gave these fuckers a voice and a chance to implement policy so he could demonize how bad the policy is….which will probably pass thanks to the blue bitch moderate republicans Obama helped get into office….and they’ll pass it with 51-49 votes because dems won’t filibuster….
FUCK RAHM OBOMBER!!!!!!!!!
Scream it from the treetops…this guy is a corporate shark.
As long as he and his are OK and they are and will be, I don’t think he gives a damn about anybody else.
You have to know a few rich people to understand they think we aren’t worth spit
After the election, Obama can hide behind the commission. Can he be just a little bit specific about what he wants and would veto? He can say he is against privatization but he could be for gutting it and making it meaningless.
My health insurance jumper 38% and prescription medication jumped 10%. Just imagine what these increases might have been, if we didn’t have a global economic meltdown.
Finance Reform is a joke also. There are now fewer yet larger banks. They remain a systemic risk that will again need to be bailed out.
how disingenuous ,where has beeen for a year and a half?
It’s good to see places like Wyoming, Idaho, Montana and North Dakota represented
on the Commission, since usually they don’t have enough influence.
Oh, never mind.
Business doesn’t want to pay their 6.2% share of FICA, or on any increased celings over the current $106,000. Do people realize that if you retire at 62, you have to pay back one dollar for every two dollars you earn to SS, even if you earn the money at minimum wage cleaning toilets? And if you retire at 62 and get $50 million a year in dividends or capital gains, you keep all your SS, and pay nothing back. The poor working man or woman is raped and the rich get richer.
oh yes but we are talking about the masters/mistress’ of the universe (sarcasm)
That’s why it’s so important to steal SS and end Medicare to keep bailing out the wars and big corps.
Why do you think it took so long to get a minimal amount of aid to the states? Pelosi and the blue dogs put into the war.
the thing to keep in mind is this is how we lost America in 1912, when the Federal reserve act passed a lame duck congress where there were few present over Christmas recess. I fully expect we’ll lose SS the same way.
these “people” have been planning this for decades and it’s WAY bigger than ObamaINC
They are tasked with finding solutions to the deficit, which SS does not contribute to.
yup…oh my pass the Pozac
and the WALL STREET bonuses,were bigger than ever,when we were sharing bones with FIDO
Obama’s maternal grandmother was a high level bank executive.
they are squeezing people to death…nobody will have disposable income,wait till the little spill is history gas will be back at 5 bux a gallon
i did not know that….she taught him all about GREED
Yep since the SS act was passed. If you look at least the years of my lifetime it’s always been the money versus the people.
He started off dirt poor and worked his way up. I know lots of filthy rich people, filthy being the operative word. Most are not nice people, narcissistic, judgmental and hypocritical, but not nice by any stretch. It’s difficult for a majority of passionate people, like those here at FDL, to accept and understand the ugly components of politics. It’s not beautiful or completely fulfilling like the pure passion of an individual’s beliefs is. It’s been that way from the beginning of this experiment. The mini-series John Adams is a great learning tool into politics.
Until she wasn’t anymore. Middle class.
No it doesn’t.
And IIRC it doesn’t even add to the deficit for the next 20-25 years.
So let’s review. Social Security accounts for ZERO of the current deficit. Zero of the future deficit (for at least 20 years), so obviously we must cut Social Security to lower the deficit.
Only in America.
And this is the point I’ve been trying to drive home. I truly believe if every time the MSM mentioned the catfood commission they also mentioned the fact that SS hasn’t contributed to the past deficit and won’t for quite some time, that the sheeple will react to that. I think most of the folks are so uninformed that they here social security is in trouble and deficit reductin commission and just assume Social Security is part of the problem.
And informing the masses is SUPPOSED to be THE job of the press.
*sigh*
I was lucky enough to get off dial-up last month and I can attest to your statement that Jane’s chart would have taken forever to upload on my computer back in the day.
On another note and I probably will catch all kinds of comments on this but Congressman Raul Grijalva (Arizona) sent a letter to Obama yesterday from the Congressional Progressive Caucus saying that “any attempt to slash entitlements is ‘dead on arrival in the House of Representatives’”
My letter to him concluded:
“Congressman Grijalva, thank you for your letter to the President today letting him know that any attempt to slash entitlements is ‘dead on arrival in the House of Representatives.’ I am a proud member of the ‘Professional Left’ and I salute you for your efforts on our behalf.”
As evidenced by his political campaigns, the dunceness is not limited to his time in the Clinton WH.
Dirtybird Quayle of Big Pharma
Fire and Imagination – Bob Herbert
He might as well be talking to the wall
Bull’s-eye. My compliments on your succinctness.
I guess if you compare state level banking executives as dirt poor in comparison to where your values lie Obama was dirt poor. I have a somewhat different definition and experience of what “dirt poor” really is.
That said why is it such a virtue to so many people to go into politics after having been born in the metaphorical “log cabin?”
Then why did he create the commission in the first place???
Please don’t say to placate the Republicans. The Republicans don’t have any power to force a commission like this. Obama CHOSE to create this commission, and he CHOSE to fill it up folks intent on gutting Social Security.
So why did he do that?
clapping loudly!!!!
IF they’re all there when Pelosi brings it to the floor….highly uncertain
agreed,heard him on the tebee…dim bulb!
See comment #25
Thank you.
Spot on comment.
I was just responding to the post at 28 and didn’t see yours but yours is perfect.
[modnote: no exhortations of violence, real or imagined.]
Tucker Carlsons family Birdseye…right in there
That’s a great question, but typical of Obama’s penchant for saying one thing (stating a position) in public and then doing exactly the opposite when and where it matters.
Tucker relative was a traitor? Guess we saw who he got his genes from.
You have a choice every day to be so pissed off. You’re the one whose handle is OLD….that’s where my comment came from. Some people of age get more tolerant, some get more pissed off. That pissed off place isn’t exactly the place from which to make changes. That’s my point. Guess I had to tell you, since you asked.
What does age have to do with it? You must be kidding.
If I had to guess…to expose their agenda to their strongest constituency, get them naked, clothed only in their hypocrisy. Wunderkind Ryan is a fraud. That exposure started during the HCR debate. Obama et al is in the process of taking him down. It was a huge Republican mistake going all in with that one. They banked on his relative youth, good looks, and self-proclaimed understanding of economcics to counter Obama. Fail.
http://www.counterpunch.org/nasser10032008.html
Congratulations on getting off the snail service.
Also Bravo on your letter to Congressman Griljava.
Lift the income cap on SS tax.
Problem solved.
Next issue.
Jean, you asked me a question and I answered. So? What? Maybe you didn’t like the answer? PS, we’re almost the same age.
I could have written this myself, and I am exactly your age. Only difference is that I moved from dial up to DSL awhile back. And I would throw in the civil liberties, indefinite detention, and other imperial presidency continuations/worsenings from Shrub as being my breaking point.
I’ve said repeatedly that Obama’s actions are easier to explain if you assume he’s really a corporatist posing as a progressive versus the guy he campaigned as. But this debt commission deal is so obviously a corporatist attempt to create a social security issue where there is none so as to raid it, that he’s got me baffled. The surplus built over decades is legally bound to social security, will not be exhausted until 2037, and practically any time between now and then can be extended simply by increasing the income level at which social security taxes are not paid. Done. So-called problem solved. So this whole exercise is clearly a very transparent ruse to further reallocate money from the bottom 99% to the top 1%. Or could Obama be setting a trap for Republicans? Lord knows they’re stupid enough to fall for it, as they consistently demonstrate on the subject of social security. Pity we can’t trust him, as everytime we look behind the curtain he’s selling us all out.
I was referring to his mother. He lived with her part-time, too, and in some extraordinary circumstances. Yes, he lived with her parents and was afforded amenities that others less fortunate than he didn’t have. Look at the bigger picture. His ethnicity, and the ramifications thereof, created a mindset that, I venture to guess, many cannot understand.
WRT his grandmother, think of the American economy during her “reign” as a high-powered state bank executive. Come on.
Sorry Mod, but only one other period comes to mind when I hear CEOs screwing their employees and raiding retirement plans to get golden toilets.
What other point in history were peasants ****ed so the masters of the universe could crap on gold?
Shucks ;^)
Some of you are just pissed because you’re not getting everything you want, all the time, and immediately. We really have become a instant gratification society.
More like a trap for us.
When I saw those poor people in Atlanta the other day leaping for APPLICATIONS for section 8 housing ( just a CHANCE at it)and surrounded by Nazi riot police, I wondered how many in DC were grinning at those feeds.
That’s just not true. You should be careful about what you say.
strawman
strictly my opinion,but thats what bankers are all about,ive known many
in fact,ive never known a decent banker
well maybe Jimmy Stewart in Its a Wonderful Life
No we’re pissed because this guy told us one thing and has done, literally a 180 degree turn of nearly everything he said and then blamed the other side for his ineffectiveness/effectiveness??
I guess you haven’t been paying close enough attention. He’s not your Daddy, you know.
look at how he helped BP cover up the Gulf Oil disaster so people would take it on the chin and limited BP’s liability. And that’s just ONE thing; pretty big, tho.
To expose their hypocrisy??
So that explains why all of its operations are in secret? To expose something?
This is laughable. It sounds like what someone on drugs or Blue Kool-Aid would say.
Barry doesn’t do eleventy dimensional chess. Or did you miss the part where he claimed to be FOR the public option while behind the scenes he killed it in a deal with the insurance industry? That wasn’t eleventy dimensional chess, it was him doing what he does.
It’s not eleventy dimensional chess when he continues renditions and indefinite detentions with no habeaus corpus. He didn’t do those things to expose how bad they were and how bad the Republicans were for starting them. He did those things because he too agrees with them.
Just like he agrees with no public option. No single payer. No EFCA. No real stimulus.
That old saying is true. Most of the time the most obvious explanation is the correct explanation.
Now what’s the most obvious explanation for creating the catfood commission and filling it with social security cutters?
Come on. It’s an easy answer. Especially when you remember they kept all proceedings in secret AND they scheduled the vote for a lame duck session of Congress.
Look at the evidence. Don’t try to bend the evidence to fit your view, bend your view to fit the evidence. Obama (and the Democrats) want to cut social security and/or privatize it just as much as the Republicans and just as much as Clinton did.
Dear lord. Why do people wonder why people are so biased.
My experience is that people who care more for animals have issues with humans. Okay?
Words from The Bellamy Brothers classic “Old Hippie”.
“He’s an old hippie and he don’t know what to do
Should he hang on to the old, or should he grab onto the new.
He’s an old hippie, this new life is just a bust
He’s just tryin’ real hard to adjust.” (best I can remember)
Old doesn’t have to mean 89. To me 59 feels damn old. I’m so very happy that you’ve apparently developed such a Pollyanna attitude in your old age. You have not lived my life, nor I yours. So judge away if it makes you feel better. Licking boots does not beget much change either.
And no I was not kidding about age having anything to do with right and wrong.
Sorry, no. I’ve been around here for a long time. No straw about it. Same ones, saying the same things, all the time. But, like I’ve said a couple of times this morning, I respect your passion.
Who would those someones be?
And btw, which is more childish: Being pissed about not getting what we were promised or blindly following a person/party no matter what they ever do because they’re always right?
I’m willing to pay for 1,000 buttons of “Proudly Professional Left”
Please send me the logo.
The sad thing is his “ethnicity” is really more that of an expatriate. This is driving the notions of abominable right wing birthers because their is a hint of the exotic in his upbringing that is authentic..
He shares nothing in background with the Shirley Sherrods of this country. That is why she had a lot of things to tell him.
When we stress his genetic heritage and skin color this stirs the claim that the people are struggling with bridging racial barriers. But he is not really a part of that.
I dare not speculate on how all of this may have influenced his personality.
I may have said this poorly and hope there is no offense.
Sorry your life sucks. I’ve had some challenges myself. How does it help the world to share all your angst with every comment. Glad you think I just developed this pollyanna attitude. You don’t know me, as you said, so why would you assume to say something like that?
Go ahead and hide behind the words of someone else’s song. Go ahead. Whatever, but your words impact many people every day. Do you know that?
PS, I don’t usually appreciate passive agressivity. Still don’t.
My Daddy? LOL! Typical. Start throwing barbs when presented with an opposing view. Despise me if you must, but try to have a good weekend, if that’s possible in your world.
The Oligarchs are definitely in charge of this government. The GOP doesn’t even try to hide it. Yet it seems that the Democratic party and Obama in particular are still trying to act like they care to dance with the people. It’s all show. The Oligarchs are determined to bleed this country dry.
we the people,have pretty much destroyed the planet for ALL animals it seems,and will continue to do so,i have a big problem with that,since i like to breathe occasionally
clapping loudly,you are swell
Just who threw the first barb about lots of people just being pissed cause they didn’t get everything they want, like a child?
Dood you’re killing me.
He’s mandated to represent and work for the best possible outcomes FOR ALL, not just you.
I understand that it’s a good thing to love animals, but I just wish you had more compassion for the humans, too. You don’t have to, I just wish that for you, sadly. Hug?
You may be right on BHO’s comments about the proposed Islamic cultural center in NYC, but I think it’s also the following:
Michael Bloomberg. As tone deaf and ostensibly stupid as this administration appears to be, I don’t think for a minute that it hasn’t crossed their minds that Bloomberg may make an independent run in ’12. The guy’s a gazillionaire and has financed his campaigns in NYC. Ergo, no need for campaign contributions. This is not to say that the fact that he’s Jewish and the so-called real Americans don’t know him and wouldn’t vote for another one of them there “elitists,” it’s my two cents on Obama’s sudden talkiness on the subject of the Center.
Edit:
I should have said though his color is raising issues of struggle with dealing with racial barriers; he in fact is not characteristic of those who suffered the consequences of growing up in America as black, nor does he have the family history.of those who sowed the seeds and struggled for civil rights.
Duh. Did I suggest otherwise?
What’s your point?
The list is pretty endless.
My chnaces of getting off dial up are slim to none, I live in a mostly Amish community and you know how big business operates; no money to be made, too damn bad. So I will put up with this until my head explodes.
dear demi,you dont know me,and all i do for other people…so its not my nature,to tell ALL i do,ill wager …oh never mind
yup
i had dial up for 8 years…just tell peeps,and they can kinda relate what the missing pieces are,and this dem administration is very frustrating i agree
I was wishing you well. So, I guess no hug, huh?
I said ‘some’ of you. Apparently, that hit home. Uncle. I give. I humbly ask that we agree to disagree WRT President Obama. I like the guy. You don’t. That’s fair. I have to go now, but I’m not running away. I’ll be back commenting from time to time, and I lurk daily. Please have a nice weekend. PEACE
i, break my back daily for many seniors that live around me,i send $$$ to old friend who sound suicidal on the telephone…i do…. endless services for anyone who asks that im aquainted with…jusdt sayin
Hiding behind the words of someone else’s song, huh. I wasn’t aware that a simple user name conjers up images of someone hiding. But whatever.
My words impact damn few people because I don’t interact with very many people out of choice. Days go by without me having to talk to anyone, and I’m just fine with that. I much prefer the company of my cats and my books to the human race.
like him or not…let him just do his job….period
A person doesn’t have to be sad, or fat, or old to take comments personally. I wish you all well. We all deal with things differently, and if I choose to have a half full glass even though I live in the same world as everyone else, have had my shares of tragedy, well, it’s my choice. White light to all. Laters.
And I didn’t say you threw it at me either, I just said you threw it.
You have a great weekend too. And stay safe.
Peace.
hahahahahaha me too,guess thats obvious…enjoy!
It wasn’t your name, it was a response to the song you had quoted. You post here everyday and do you know how many people come and lurk here who don’t comment? Do you? Good grief, woman.
Stop, breathe and consider before you write something. My comment was a response to the song lyrics you published. I give up.
Purists are everywhere, TS. It’s sickening and dangerous.
I agree with O.F.G.
Disclaimer – I am old and fat.
Clarence Thomas Obama appoints a commission of Social Security haters to come up with a recommendation for a lame duck congress. The congress is not allowed to amend the commission’s proposal but must vote it up or down. How stupid do you have to be to think that Social Security will not be cut or privatized or both.
But but – the voters……
The voters have a choice. They can vote for the party that cuts Social Security. Or the other party that cuts Social Security.
Beautiful! Awesome! Thanks.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh DANGEROUS! BE VERRRRRRRY AFRAID!!!
well that about sums it up…G
You can bet there’s a calculated motive behind his boldness on this issue.
mustgo……………… an eye opener as usual
take care yall
Peace to you.
Facts are “purist” to those who prefer mythology. I have great admiration for Obama’s history and indeed his family. But you do not favor by making up a story that bears little resemblance to the true inspiration in the real story.
Wow! If you only knew about me as a person, you wouldn’t have taken that tack in your comment. I’m not trying to perpetuate fear, just reality.
First it was my name, especially the “old” part. Now it isn’t my name. I apparently am too bitter and inconsiderate to understand.
No, I do not comment here every day because I can’t take the frustration.
Right on.
Not sure you saw my edit.
Thanks, I’m having a wonderful weekend and life, too. appreciate your sentiments.
sorry you took that as “a barb”; it wasn’t intended as such.
x2
Appreciate the table.
This guy is such a duplicitous f’king liar.
At least with Bush & Cheney & Raygun -
- I EXPECTED LIES
- I EXPECTED RICH PIECE OF SHIT PIGS TO BE UNACCOUNTABLE
- I DID NOT F’KING FOR FOR THEM!
0.K. 0-bummer, now you’re NOT going to $ell u$ 0ut … yawn.
I understand how the naive believe him, and I understand how those who’ve given up most hope can’t just throw ALL hope out the window, BUT, when do you turn into a drooling f’king idiot little better than the birthers?
rmm.
What I want to know is which of those were appointed by Obama, which by the dems, and which by the reps? Is that information somewhere?
Well, neither of us know Obama’s heart or thoughts even though he divulged a lot in his books. I don’t want to speculate on the unknown. I have thoughts, memories and feelings in me that I keep for me solely. I think everyone does. The true privilege of being human.
Reuters article from April shows who appointed whom.
Yes. As I said in the earlier post I would never seriously speculate on his deeper thoughts and character.
I think much of the criticism Obama is receiving from the left is because we forgot that and assumed, perhaps somewhat on the basis of skin color, that we were electing someone whose perspectives were nearer our own. We expected MLK and got a sophisticated vigorous young man and a globalist.
Kick ass, thank you so much!
So, Obama appointed:
ERSKINE BOWLES, ALAN SIMPSON, DAVID COTE, ANN FUDGE, ANDREW STERN.
Ku, ku, ku, ca, ca, Catfood… Has a nice ring to it, for cats… Why did O? Because O. is 68% corporate and 13% progressive, the balance being traditional, liberal, conservative, imperial and Royal…
Don’t forget, O. is basically Hawai’ian; he grew up in Honolulu, Hawai’i and Jakarta, Indonesica; he never suffered discrimination for being half “black” because he was just another guy in these multiracial societies. O. did not grow up in the Deep South or in any big mainland cities, so he does not have the more typical black American experience.
o/t:
the point of the never-ending US imperial military occupations is to provide cover for the transfer of millons of American taxpayer dollars into the pockets of corporations, such as Blackwater and Halliburton, and into the pockets of hundreds of thousands of private contractors, mercenaries, terrorists and miscellaneous Hessians. Heck of a job, Bush and Barack…
In other news, in the face of awful floods in Pakistan, the Obama drone murder machines are still doing their dirty work.
Yahoo story today: Officials: US missiles kill 12 in north Pakistan. So Obama is saving some Pakistanis with his flood relief efforts and is murdering others. Is this dual track program of US psychopathic and schizophrenic?
Don’t worry about it. I gave up looking for approval from others long ago as I thought it was more worthwhile just to be my genuine self, for better or worse.
Just be yourself then. If that isn’t sufficient for others that’s their problem, not yours.
I voted for Obama because I didn’t have much choice. I would have been extremely embarrassed as an American if my country elected GetOffMyLawn! and ThatMILF! after 8 years of Bush.
His complexion was not a factor for me.
“We expected MLK and got a sophisticated vigorous young man and a globalist.”
Ha. What we got is a lying little corporate toady. Looks like ol Jesse Jackson was right about “that little cocksucker”…
The article would be a bit more credible if the author would get off the idea that Newt is a truth teller or framer of the Clinton years – Erskine Bowles did not negotiate a deal with Newt Gingrich to raise the Social Security retirement age & do some privatization under Clinton with the “deal” being stopped by Lewinski scandal. As an actuary I was on top of this – and the mortality improvement discussion amongst the actuaries – not in the WH – led to the conclusion that the retirement age should be put on auto pilot to rise with with improvements in life span, lest the funding get out of wack – and we are talking about at that time adding one month a year beginning in 2038, but only if the annual actuarial studies by the SSA actuaries justified that action. The WH never bought into the idea – and it never got Newts support – Newt just wanted to cut Social Security. Kara Hopkins in Human Events on Aug 21, 1998 complained that Clinton refused to cut the payroll tax and use the cut to fund private accounts. The actuaries did buy into a one year phase in beginning in 2040 because the data indicated the life span increase since 1940 was 3 years, not the two years used in the Reagan age 67 normal retirement age phase in law.
As for “part privatization of Social security” – THIS IS TOTAL BULL SHIT. and yes the caps are meant as yelling because the author can’t seem to take the time to go back and read and understand the USA Accounts which Clinton endorsed in 1999 http://www.network-democracy.org/social-security/bb/proposals/usa_accounts.html – a 401k type VOLUNTARY payroll deduction plan that was to be an EXTRA benefit on top of an UNCHANGED Social Security – with a total of a billion dollars given pro-rata to everyone as an annual contribution from the developing surplus – the billion dollars being a deposit to the America Saves account allocated to everyone with a Social Security account. It was killed by Rubin and Greenspan – neither Newt or Lewinsky had a damn thing to do with its dying. It never got to a vote in either House – just speeches and discussions. http://www.network-democracy.org/social-security/bb/proposals/usa_accounts.html
Perhaps what the author refers to is the fact that in 1997 Clinton’s appointed bipartisan commission brought forth possible Social Security benefit cuts via changing indexing formulas to raising the retirement age, plus an option to divert 5 percentage points of their payroll taxes to personal accounts — this was the first such proposal by a government commission and it went nowhere with Clinton for reasons that Newt and the author can’t seem to understand.
See the following State of the Union: 1998 – http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/sotu/transcripts/clinton/ and 1999 – http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/01/19/sotu.transcript/
call to allow Americans 55 to 65 years old who are left without coverage when they lose their jobs to buy into Medicare, which he says “won’t add a dime to the deficit.” (384K wav sound) http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/sotu/main/healthcare.wav
On health care, the president reiterated his recent call to allow Americans 55 to 65 years old who are left without coverage when they lose their jobs to buy into Medicare, which he says “won’t add a dime to the deficit.” (384K wav sound)
He renewed his call for Congress to enact campaign finance reform, and said he would ask the Federal Communications Commission to ensure all candidates had free or reduced-cost time on television.
On the environmental front, Clinton suggested a new Clean Water Initiative to clean the nation’s rivers, lakes and coastal waters.
And declaring environmental and economic interests not to be in opposition, he called for $6 billion in tax cuts and research and development to encourage more efficient cars, factories and homes. (320K wav sound) http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/sotu/main/environment.wav
In sum – USA accounts were addon, no cut to Social Security benefits – they were to be an additional benefit -the USA Accounts http://www.network-democracy.org/social-security/bb/proposals/usa_accounts.html idea – a 401k type VOLUNTARY payroll deduction plan
and the 97 commission went nowhere – despite Newt saying he had an agreement with someone.
So if you want to say Bowles is pro-cuts in Social Security because Newts says so, have at it. But do not re-write history trying to imply the Clintons or the actuaries of that time were trying to privatize Social Security.
Learning to play basketball, for example among all sports games, when you’re ready to dribble, you learn to fake your direction, sometimes called a ‘juke’. Or you mean to shoot and juke instead. At a certain level of play, the opponent is wise, so the juking has to be complex. Fake-fake, go-fake, go. Whatever. Ricky Henderson (MLB, Oakland A’s) was the best ever.
Practiced often enough, the techniques become ingrained, and for some, a way of life. Outside the sports realms, we know it as bullshit.
Of course, as an actuary, I assume you’re aware that at least one of the significant if not primary reasons for the increase in mortality is due to the improvements in infant mortality rates (meaning – hey – life expectancy increases!)
And I think Jane Hamsher (“the author” you refuse to name but seem to be delighting in mocking) is most likely at least as aware of things.
Especially since she has quoted Bowles himself on how Bowles worked with Gingrich, and not quoted Gingrich alone.
See FDL Book Salon from May: How Monica Lewinsky Saved Social Security: Clinton, Gingrich, Bowles and “The Pact” for an example of someone other than Gingrich who quotes Bowles on how things were supposed to happen pre-Monica
“Investment Choice. Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), a 401(k)-type plan for federal government employees. Individuals would be able to choose among a limited number
of broad-based investment options similar to those offered in the TSP
and in many private sector 401(k) plans. We look forward to working
with Congress and experts from the private sector to devise the best
way to administer the accounts, as well as to explore whether it would
be possible to provide account holders with the option of investing
directly with private sector fund managers.”
http://www.network-democracy.org/social-security/bb/proposals/usa_accounts.html
Another slush fund for Morgan Stanley et al to play with, doubtless with some campaign contributions as a tip. I’m also failing to see how honest actuaries equals honest Clinton.
“…and we are talking about at that time adding one month a year beginning in 2038, but only if the annual actuarial studies by the SSA actuaries justified that action. The WH never bought into the idea – and it never got Newts support – Newt just wanted to cut Social Security.”
Do you think the two might be related?
Btw, I really like your posts, papau, thank you for them.
Thank you for your response. I do not comment very much myself, and have noticed that initial comments (here and other sites) pertain to the content, while later ones seem to get personal. Enjoy your cats and books, and I will do the same, plus one frisky dog.
Papau was on that thread, too, and has had the Bowles quotes pointed out many times. It doesn’t do any good. The blindness seems to be willful.
Wasn’t it The Eagles in Life In The Fast Lane?
Hey Jane, nice riposte to the ‘Professional Left’ bleat. Very clean.
: )
Juke (11th dimension chess) = bullshit. Well put.
On most of the progressive sites I see annoyance with Obama’s corporatism and rightly so.
However I see virtually no proposed solutions.
I have a solution.
Go to any search engine but Google and type these words in quotes
“Help me change America”
A copendium of my favorite short, pithy, and appropriate comments:
oldhippiejean
he’s a devious, conniving asshole.
wagthedog
his past behavior of rolling over on whatever the right wants
perrylogan
Obama is a far-right conservative posing as a centrist Democrat. This theory explains everything the Administration has done, and failed to do.
To answer Jane’s question, Ryan is on the Catfood Commission because Obama intends to screw Social Security and Medicare, then ride off into the sunset in 2013 where he will make more money than Clinton ever dreamed of. Barry will be well-rewarded for his treason.
If you actually read the comments, you would know who was reading and responding and who was making personal attacks. We all see reality through our own screens, purviews. But, some choose a side that they can better relate to without having to do the heavy lifting.
In my opinion, Obama’s creation of this Commission and his emphasis on how he won’t privatize Social Security is not about whether he is being a business loving, small government type of free enterprise ideologue, or not. President Obama’s actions embody the philosophy that each person is on their own in our society. Since he assumes no inequalities of birth families, economic status, education and work opportunities, healthcare and housing, each person is responsible for taking care of themselves in their old age to whatever extent that they were able to prepare for it through savings and investments. His assumption is that we are all competing against each other for a limited amount of resources (education, money, jobs…). The idea that we should provide a basic level of resources to each person so as to lessen the strain of misfortune, differences in ability and opportunity, illness and old age, is not something that President Obama is at all worried about. His HCR bill as template expresses his described philosophy well: healthcare to each according to their wealth, the illusion of healthcare to the great middle/lower working class with high deductible insurance, and Medicaid/triage and cheetos for those below a designated new poverty line. So when he approaches Social Security with the same charmless grey detachment as he did for healthcare, he intends to make it less accessible to those who need it, and less effective to those who qualify for it. I have no proof or evidence to offer as evidence, only his treatment of healthcare and who he has promoted to this Commission. The appointed members seem to be all ‘cutters’ of one type or another. I cannot prove that what I am saying is true or will happen, but he did not say, “And I won’t raise the retirement age and cut your benefits too.” He did not reassure me. Did he reassure you?
I bet it’s making pakistani’s love us when they hear that the taliban are feeding and sheltering flood victims while we rain bombs down on cities…we’re winning the hearts and minds after they’re blown out of our victims bodies.
Your Weekly Radio Address
That’s what appeared on the screen when I watched the address on the C-Span clip. I double clutched while I tried when, trying to figure out why tbat title irritated me. Then I listend, carefully, to O, and I understood.
This is ‘Your Weekly Radio Address’. The rest of the week, I spend hanging out with plutocrats, figuring out to best to serve their interests. This little clip is what you, the peons, get.
I am not going to see that you have dignity in your old age. I’ll see to it that you get a measure of dignity. That’s different. My handpicked commission is doing serious work. (‘Serious’ is code for ‘most people are going to get screwed.’) I deploy dorks like Gibbs to degrade my critics in the eyes of their communities. I will not accept dissent or criticism of any kind. I am skillful enough to frame my rape of Social Security as saving it. Corporate media will back me up. And the professional left, which I do not need any more than I like, will be silenced.
There. That is Your Weekly Radio Address. Suck on it.
LOL.
Actually, extending a streak I’ve been on recently, I just re-read the whole thread and discovered it was…… me.
Ugh.
*bangs head against wall*
I threw the first barb when I said something about being on drugs or Blue Kool-Aid.
And then had the nerve to accuse kdh22.
*bangs head some more*
Dr. King didn’t live to see his 40th birthday.
Would you be surprised if Obama moves to Indonesia after his presidency, and runs for president of that country?
Listen to how benign Bush’s privatization push of Social Security sounds compared to Obama’s drive to take 20% of our money (by raising the retirement age to 70)…
From the Economist 11/4/06 (no link)…
“Mr. Bush spend much of early 2005 promoting the idea that Americans should be allowed to shift some of the money they currently drop in the common retirement pot into private accounts, to invest as they please. The public was at first ambivalent; but the more the president campaigned, the less popular the idea became, until the Republicans ran for cover, and reform died.”
Geez. Give me the private accounts. I’ll take that all day any day compared to a 20% cut.
Democrats “supporting Social Security” are pretending it is the GOP that is trying to do this. It isn’t obviously. Until they are prodded to calling out the “Democratic” President on this, it is going to be much harder to “Jane stop this crazy thing!” (our rallying cry on Firedoglake?)
I do read all the comments before I post. Perhaps that is why I do not post very much, as I feel no need to write something again. I stand by my observation about what seems to occur later in comment threads, and not only on this site. Back to LURKING.
I have no idea why you see fit to instruct me on Dr, King;s age. (Not only did I know Dr. King semi-personally I knew hi age.)
At the time of his death Dr. King had worked constantly for years toward his goals and had wisdom and understanding of human nature, not only way beyond his years but I suspect way beyond what Obama can ever achieve.
I will be surprised if Obama does anything outside Wall Street once he leaves office.
Clinton was guilty as charged as to investing funds in Wall Street – he wanted to do so and spoke on this – indeed I supported and do support the idea simply because other countries do it with safety net trust funds – an index fund for the Trust (there were no individual accounts in the idea) is simple, low cost, and requires little churning – it is not a Wall Street ATM. Indeed it removes the claim that SS Trust funds are worthless IOU’s from the gov. Those “worthless IOU’s from the gov” are then owed to China. Asset class coverage is just as easy. There is of course more volatility, but the extra risk buys extra return making SS cheaper in the long run (here, the cheaper because of better return idea, I disagree with Clinton’s advisors apple pie analysis – but no matter – getting past the “worthless IOU’s” is enough reason for me). The Clinton idea was a percentage of the fund not in gov bonds – I forget the exact percentage – it was not that large – but he was guilty of suggesting in something other than gov bonds.
Infant mortality has NOTHING TO DO WITH LIFESPAN AFTER 65.
As too using “author” I had a senior moment and could not remember her name – not mocking – just trying to not lose my train of thought by going to the start of the post.
As to Bowles, I do not know of his quote that you refer to. His current quotes revel his lack of knowledge on Social Security. In the 90′s it would have been hard to imagine him being in the conversation or his thinking he had the power to agree to anything. Newt is a proven liar – many more times than just once. His saying Bowles said something to him is proof of nothing. Indeed in terms of the dynamics of the time, Greenspan and Rubin – both lacking in knowledge of SS – led, but Clinton decided and per Myers (a friend that was a former Chief Actuary of SS), Clinton listen to the SSA actuary’s reports.
I agree Bowles is blowing smoke.
There are also some good data out there that compare life expectancy at various ages in various nations. The US is well below most developed nations in most groups. However our 65 and plus age groups approach the rest of the world. Maybe because of Medicare? and SS? I think so.
When will Josh Marshall notice that Obama is running one of the Republican plays on the issue of SocSecv?
When will he call on his readers to call their Congress critters and demand they take a firm stand one way or another on protecting and defending SocSec?
He’ll probably say he doesn’t know YET what the Cat Food Commission will recommend…or some weaseling out like that….
Jane, thanks for a good, solid post on this important issue. This should be front paged on every left blog from now until November — and pushed even harder once the Cat Food Commission comes out with actual words on paper. Push all Dems beginning right now.
But the obamabot will say that nothing has been decided yet. You have to wait for the decision to be made first. Then you can protest.
Could the tea party on PCP end this madness? No one else seems able.
Clinton and Bush pushed privatization because they knew American jobs were going elsewhere, but the profitability of business would continue to increase as it outsourced.
Didn’t it look like you were positing a contrast or an antithesis, omitting the implied ‘instead’ at the end?
For all that, though, Dr. King was older than most of us then, and now Obama is younger than most of us (here in this thread).
Syntax cannot always be perfect in this medium. I am grateful that so many seem to work around the errors to understand the thrust of the message. It is a relief from writing for print where the message is often lost in the service of perfection.
What I was intending to suggest is that Obama is an ambitious young stud who is a citizen of the world. King was a muture man with a mission of service to mankind.
uh yep, little pathfinders beginning to plant those flags all over the interwebs – Raising the age seems to be the winner, so neat and tidy in it’s ‘logic’. already saw some l’il green sprouts over at Big Orange and TPM
Damn…this is sure a fiery crowd this evening…if we could only get this type of dialog and back and forth happening with the general public who consistently seem asleep at the wheel!
Yup, and Alice Rivlin… you missed her!
I liked the tone of this Obama speech much better than the one he gave at the Hamilton Project back in 2006. Back then he talked of baby boomer retirement.. adapting… outdated policies… tired ideologies… the need to “modernize” programs written in the 1930′s.
Is Obama our President or is he just the guy hired to read the MOTU’s script from the teleprompter? If Obama is our President and he truely believes in Social Security then he could just cancel the catfood commission which he created. Until the commission has been cancelled, he’s Teleprompter-man in my eyes.
Teleprompter-man, Teleprompter-man, conveys whatever a teleprompter can,
Spins a tale, any size, herds the sheep just with lies,
Look out! Here comes the Teleprompter-man.
I’ve been saying that. How can Obama trash the GOP for wanting to destroy Social Security when his own cat food comission (and Hoyner himself) have said they’re “open” to the idea of cuts and raising the retirement age? Obama thinks we’re extremely stupid. Maybe he thought the left would just STFU and accept it.
Maybe this is why Gibbs was so frustrated at the “professional left” the other day because it’s politically impossible to slash Social Security now because the left is really pissed off about it. The left is thwarting Mr. Bipartisan’s plans.
Damn those meddling leftists!
Marshall has no principles other than excusing any and all behavior from politicians with a (D) behind their name. His absolute silence on this issue invalidates his efforts in 2005. He’s a partisan flunky.
Every day I listen to a lot of Louis Armstrong, whose ‘syntax’ I value above anyone else’s. If I were a religious person, I would worship Louis. Hell, I worship him anyway.
From a recent biography:
“How’s it going, Louis?”
“White man’s still ahead.”
I disagree with all of that without exception. Do this, hit the link and click on ‘All’ on the top edge of the chart. I think you have to have javascript on.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI&client=news
Eyeball that chart and tell me you want your retirement in stocks and not treasury bonds.
If at all we needed commissions right now
1. It could have been about how the tax cuts generated in the promised jobs in
USAcorrection couple of totalitarian regimes which generate super duper profits with captive labor.2. It could have about those WMDs in Iraq which lead to our brave troop invaluable lives and trillion dollar spent counting for no apparent national security reasons.
3. It could have been about what sort of benefit society gets besides creating spoiled kids by reducing estate taxes aimed primarily at rich above 5 million dollars.
4. It could have been on how to smartly catch or eliminate terrorists at a low cost and make the nation of Afghanistan a true, stable & democratic country without requiring major American presence in the future. Besides that every nation in the world is directly affected with these illogical thinking people created by harsh conditions similar to depression conditions in that country and they should pay for this fixing effort either with money or if poor with man-power and not just NATO providing money and man-power.
Social security is the peoples savings put in government as bonds. With some simple calculations my economics teacher once showed me how America is the most saving nation in the world par none socking away 12.4% of annual income for retirement just contrary to what paid MSM talks about. Precisely it is those seniors injecting their few hundred dollars monthly in to the local economy saved our economy right this moment from total collapse.
Glass Steagall Act when they repealed all those congressmen might have got hors d-overues for a great job done but after a decade even their savings, their children savings have halved. Paradoxically the company for which Glass Steagall Act was repealed i.e. Citi is on the Government support now.
This is what happens if they alter social security structure. After two or three decades it will result in such depression that all the chamber of commerces will not exist and the whole society will be in chaos.
Social security, Glass Steagall Act, Estate Taxes & Progressive taxes (which will fix the executive greed for good by taking out the current excessive reward factor with less risk forcing them to act as better individuals) are truly progressive concepts brought by Republican and Democrat Presidents and they did not come in easy to reality. In my opinion it should not be touched and the ones removed should be reinstated.
I do not know how to get President to hear contrary logical view-points of main street or whether he gets a chance to hear any when he is surrounded with executives from Wall Street, Honeywell, Monsanto and what not doing public service providing advice benefitting their prior companies 24×7 to him. I am feeling more that this viewpoints are getting altered by the constant barrage of corporate opinion. It will do a lot good to his presidency if he visits some American towns by choosing them randomly and spend time with normal people who will tell him their hopes, most importantly criticism and concerns by which he can adjust his policy making.
If Obama’s Cat Food Commission recommends cutting Social Security benefits such as Bush’s progressive price indexing (which basically cuts benefits for a $100,000 a year programmer in Utah the same as Bill Gates) then he will never win re-election and will go down in history as the most hated United States President.
The American right has worked for the repeal of SSI since its inception in 1935. It’s disturbing that a president of FDR’s party might now enable them to move towards that goal. More disturbing than that, however, is that in doing so, he would be giving the right a huge payoff on the tactic which they chose in the pursuit of that goal.
It seems no accident that, contrary to their balanced budget rhetoric, every budget signed by a Republican president in last 30 years has put the nation deeper and deeper in debt. The same party that piled up that debt has, then, repeatedly turned around and used the pressures that it has (or, most recently, could — really, US debt now sells at lower interest rates than it has at any time in my 50 or so years) created to justify cuts in programs that they opposed, usually those providing for social welfare, and the enactment of policies, like the privatization of government functions, that they support. Once that was said and done, the same Republicans would again enact tax cuts and spending that required deficit financing that would again provide the rational for more cuts.
As there would seem to be a consensus in the country that the benefits of these New Deal and Great Society programs justify their cost, I would imagine that other options for balancing the budget would have priority. Certainly, reversing the mechanisms that were used to create this crisis — tax cuts which leave members of the wealthiest strata of society paying at lower rates than their secretaries, programs paying private entities for services that could be provided more cheaply by the government, like student loans, and military adventurism, to name three — would be a good place to start.
Jane,
I am a little confused by who appointed whom to this commission. I e-mailed this article to a friendly Obamabot who promptly e-mailed back that Ryan was not appointed by Oboover, but by Boner and Mitch McCongrowl. This apparently makes all the difference to her and proves the Republicans are running this commission and They’re the ones who want to trash Social Security. People are just not getting that this is Rosebarry’s baby. BTW, I have a T-shirt I would love to send you that says “Obama World Billions for Foreign Wars, Cat Food For Americans.” Graphic shows an elder person sitting down to a can of tuna and beef.Let me know where I can send it. I’m giving them away to try and enlighten folks.
See the linked Reuters article from my comment @ #137 for a list of who appointed whom to the commission.