Spiro Agnew — sorry, Robert Gibbs — says “the professional left is not representative of the progressives who organized, campaigned, raised money and ultimately voted for Obama.” Well, the Obama in the White House is not representative of the Obama who organized, campaigned, raised money and ran for office, so I guess it’s a wash.
Gibbs does the only thing you can do when trying to defend a record of corporatist capitulation: triangulate against your critics as extremists. But the fact is, the positions Obama has abandoned aren’t the exclusive territory of Dennis Kucinich. Standing up to the banks and the insurance companies, reducing the political influence of corporate money, defending Social Security and ending the wars are issues that are broadly popular with the American public. That’s why Obama campaigned on them in order to pave his way to the White House.
I don’t recall Obama making campaign promises to increase the defense budget and cut Social Security benefits, order the assassination of American citizens without due process, or cut sweetheart deals with the pharmaceutical industry in exchange for political patronage. Where was the bold, inspirational speech where he vowed to give AT&T immunity for operating their own private corporate spy network, tax people’s health insurance benefits, abandon gay rights and throw a party in the rose garden for Bart Stupak’s presidential signing statement? When did he promise to re-appoint Ben Bernanke, protect the bonuses of bailed out bankers and keep shoveling money at Wall Street?
Marshall Ganz was the field organizer responsible for Obama campaign programs that motivated those progressive volunteers. During the health care debate, when it was clear Obama was abandoning his campaign rhetoric on health care, he said “If Barack had campaigned on the politics of narrow self-interest, he never would have won the nomination, let alone the election.”
Maybe Gibbs should stop and revisit some of those campaign speeches and ask himself if the guy in the oval office looks like the guy on the campaign trail. He might figure out why people are upset, and it’s not just the “professional left.” According to Gallup, Obama’s approval ratings among Hispanics was 73% in January of 2010 and is now at 54%. That’s largely over his failure to fulfill the promises he made about immigration.
Are they the “professional left” too?
Gibbs’ slam on progressives just as the August break begins means that Congressional Democrats across the country are going to have to bear the brunt of his comments as they try to whip up enthusiasm for their campaigns. They’re going to have to explain why they deserve support even as the White House holds progressives in contempt. Progressives are the people who volunteer, who donate, who vote, and the polls show a serious enthusiasm gap. Members of Congress are already angry that the president blames “Washington DC” for the country’s ills, and that’s a group that includes them. Pissing off the base like this isn’t going to help — it’s a self-indulgent, petty and ill-timed move.
But more than that, it demonstrates that the spokesman for the White House has no better defense of the administration than to try and brand their big, omnibus corporate-friendly legislation as “progressive,” and then point to a couple of female appointments. It’s hard to see how victories for PhRMA, Aetna, Halliburton and JP Morgan are victories for the American people. And if diversity at the top is the definition of “progress” we’re using, Condi Rice had a lot more power and access to the President than any woman does in this administration. Just ask Christina Romer.
Gibbs echoes the oft-heard refrain that George Bush left such a mess, and people expect too much change too fast. But if Obama were actually fighting for the change he promised and losing because of overwhelming opposition, the “progressives” Gibbs is whining about would be behind him 100%. The problem is not that he’s fighting corporate America and losing. The problem is that all too often, it’s obvious that he’s fighting for the other side.




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Was Gibbs
1) auditioning for a spot on Fox, where he and Juan Williams can duke it out for house liberal;
2) preparing for a future gig as PR flack for Goldman; or
3) carrying out Rahm’s plan for winning the morning?
Opinions differ.
(BTW, it’s “scoundrels.” Just wanted to point it out before Mark Kleiman does.
finally ! someone got my nattering nabobs snark
Jane – been wondering all morning if this outburst was the result of the “professional left” appearing to have ‘infected’ the major donor class with some doubt, and was thinking the Christina Romer – Summers/WH Boys Club talk was the subject.
Just as Bush was the front man and Cheney the real power, I increasingly feel that Obama is just the congenial corporate spokesmodel and Rahm Emanuel, with his corporatist truckling and utter contempt for liberals, is the real power. To hell with both of them.
p.s. should Bill White be “drug tested” ? :D
Hey Gibbs – Ari Fleischer called, he wants his pocket guide to public misdirection via false equivalence back – some sort of speaker’s gig with the Elks, or something.
Also, he says he left his red herring license somewhere on the podium – you haven’t seen it, have you?
;>)
shorter Gibbs walk back
“This is the operative statement. The others are inoperative.”
Didn’t Gibbs state we were uninformed and needed drug tested?
You must realize, since Obama blames Bush for all his troubles, he needed to have genuine Bush policies in place. He feels a need to be truthful and therefore had to have Bush policies in place to that he could feel honest about blaming Bush.
Therefore, you have mostly Bush’s third term.
In 2012, he plans on running the same campaign. “We must get rid of the Bush policies that have ruined our nation these last 4 years and change.”
This will allow him to use all the left over signs, ads and other campaign material from 2008 and save some money. Which, he can then use to take a nice vacation at the Ritz in Spain.
don’t know about “uninformed” but he did say we needed to be drug tested for firing Shirley Sherrod – oh wait :D
Not a big surprise. Someone made a good point on Common Dreams: has any of these sheltered Obama flacks EVER met an actual leftist/lefty in their entire life? Because Gibbs sounds like he’s describing aliens from another planet. We are regular people, asshole. Citizens.
Bingo. Biggest bait-and-switch ever.
IMO Obama has turned a generation of idealistic young voters into cynics. (Or maybe I’m projecting…)
difficult to believe a great number of kossacks haven’t been raptured by the Beijing Opera – you simply can’t believe the acrobatics and contortions defending Gibbs going on in a slink diary over there right now
Oh yes, and of course Gibbs quipped the view of the professional left as inartful.
inartful:
I see an office redecorating in Gibbs future…Lots of mirrors.
It will help with his psychological projection.
I think you’re right. I was an idealistic old voter there for a moment and it didn’t take long for me to go back to being a cynic – and perhaps, for the first time, a non-voter – at least at the national level. I will not be voting for Mr. Gibbs’ boss again in any case.
OK – I’ll give them the fair-pay legislation for women. By my count it’s a bit less than 101 and 101 was a lot less than expected.
A Cirque de Soulless ?!!
Obama: “I ran as a Progressive but ruled as a Fascist.”
Hey Gibbsy, so when does the mocking end and the begging for dollars, volunteers, and votes begin? I hope you enjoy November. I know I sure as hell will.
There aren’t enough drugs here in Professional Leftville to send me over there to look so you’ll have to keep us apprised.
STFU, retards, and Vote for Us!
The new Democratic slogan. I can feel the enthusiasm coming back, can’t you?
This is a BUSH moment! It is a failure to understand the miscommunication, to paraphrase the Great Deciderer.
But Gibbs needs to understand that his boss isn’t being lumped in with just Bush, He is being lumped in, more imho, with Clinton, and all the lousy greed-based anti-environmental hyper-security war state neoliberal and neoconservative bullshit ‘leaders’ and ‘experts’ that are dooming us as a people, a nation and perhaps a species.
But yeah right, it’s all so complicated. Do you think that is what your hundreds of millions of voters expect you to say?
Stop being so reactive, and so reactionary. This is just a perpetuation of the Bush fear-based nightmare that we wanted you to end.
Well, at least, he called us professional. That’s more than you can say for his performance.
Brava Jane. Nice smackdown
Pay the man, Shirley.
Oh snap !
“Pissing off the base” by pissing ON the base. Now there’s a bumper sticker.
I think you left out a biggie; killing the teachers union. However, I disagree completely that Obama hid himself from his supporters. Rather, I think his supporters just heard what they wanted to hear from the vague speeches of a machine politician. When Obama said he’d “fix” the social security “crisis”, I knew enough to stay away. When Obama presented this most rightward health care proposal in the primary, I knew public health care wasn’t his thing. When he said he’d “bring everyone to the table” in the health care debate, I knew that meant Pharma and Big Insurance were going to have the biggest seats. When he said he didn’t support “dumb wars”, I knew he was suggesting Afghanistan was a smart war. Obama’s campaign was deliberately vague. Obama may have toyed with his supporters, but I don’t think he really campaigned on being something definitively different than what he is.
Oilbummer has got to be one of the most tone deaf pols out there. He’s not ready for prime time, folks. Horrible leader. Horrible, horrible. Dude is out playing basketball while people are losing their jobs. He’d be fired by now if he was in the REAL workforce.
Worse than Carter. At least Carter cared.
This whole Gibbs thing makes me want to do a bong hit and worship the Aqua Bhudda.
It is now obvious that the Democrat party is not a progressive party, in fact, it is the chief obstacle to moving this nation in a progressive direction.
It needs to be replaced.
They are even getting in Jane Hamsher as part of the “professional left” as to who Gibbs meant.
Did you say Beijing Opera? Hmmm – I think I wrote about this one time…
I was an old cynic going in and remain an old cynic.
Gibbs can spit Obama’s words back on his lap in the Oval Office, or on the baskeball court smoking cigs.
Clean scrubbed Piggy looking Repug.
PEOPLE DONT HAVE F’IN JOBS. PEOPLE DONT HAVE F’IN TEACHERS. PEOPLE DONT HAVE F’IN HEALH CARE. PEOPLE DONT HAVE F’IN CLEAN ENERGY. PEOPLE DONT HAVE F’IN MONEY.
You want to talk looney Left? My dad has voted Democrat for about 50 years – and he does not any more.
You may think we are stupid, or you may only to pretent to think we are stupid – but in any case we are not.
You can take your sorry, or somewhat sorry and F off.
NO VOTE. NO MONEY. And I tell others the same thing.
TALK IS CHEAP. Next rally is going to be 2 million people.
:D
Do you have a link or title? I can’t find it.
And I am horrified at Gibbs’ “inartful” comments.
I’m with hotflashcarol. Won’t get fooled again.
I understand the sentiment, but I will not take joy in conservative glee in November. Vomit in my mouth, indeed.
I can’t wait for these motherfuckers to start sniffing around for re-election money. Go get from the wingnuts whose cocks you’ve spent your entire presidency sucking, asshole.
The rahmbama team … led by the dlc’s dynamic duo of deceit: the pope of hope (yes I know that obama lacks the dlc membership card; instead he is a “new democrat” … big fucking difference) and his kabuki directing, chi-town sidekick, emanuel … are at war with the extremist majority.
Z
“3) carrying out Rahm’s plan for winning the morning?”
.. enought of this Rahm crap & ObamaRhama crap. Obama is president (period).
I’ve been saying for months that Obama and Rahm hate the Left. Hate.
I think they are doing us a big favor by letting their guard down. Their hubris won’t allow them to take criticism from us without striking back. Come 2012, they are going to find themselves without a voting constituency.
I think this is definitely change we can all believe in. I’m going to Wal Mart right now to kick fat people.
Yes Exactly!
Change we can believe in? A new way of doing things? Yes, we can! Naturally, he never meant to deceive on any of this.
Of course Gibbs got going on this because he was playing to the White House press who have always enjoyed a good lefty bashing. There hasn’t been anyone to call him when he says this stupid stuff now that they are deciding how to fill the latest vacancy. NPR? FOX? Yeah, that’ll make difference.
This was spectacularly tone-deaf timing too, as our CO DEM SEN Primary closes today, and Romanoff has had the momentum vs. Bennet.
The Dem regulars here are mightier than the OFA machine as far as the ground game is concerned, and this just might be the last bit of fuel needed to sink Bennet.
Let’s see:
-Indefinite detention
-Not renegotiating NAFTA
-Torture
-Not go after Bushco for war crimes
-Afganistan
-Secret prisons
-Back room deal on single payer
-No drug reimportation
-Watered down HCR
-Dawn Johnsen
-Military commissions
Oh yeah and FISA
I could go on, but you know the litany as well as I. Tell me again why I should support Obama?
left it in your FB in box, refuse to link it here
At least our eyes are opened to who our friends and enemies truly are. You can’t build something on a lie. Or a fraud.
We’re starting from scratch again. So be it.
I’m calling the printers now.
this “progressive” epithet namecalling is a great example of projection, i mean in the sense of doktor freud. gibsy doth protest too much. let the fundraising numbers decide who’s the “professional”.
apparently no one told Secretary Gibbs that Rahmadumb doesn’t start until tomorrow
ducks, runs out of room
I didn’t even think about that. Yep, spectacularly tone-deaf.
P R O J E C T I O N
im done with all of em
eh Michelle how was Spain?
Of course this is all a misunderstanding. People read vague promises and expected results. He said he’d get the troops out of Iraq and as soon has the job titles are all converted over to boy scouts – the troops will be gone. Kind like all of those Bushies changing the definition of words in documents. Documents that Obama has not bother to go back and return to their original forms.
Gibbs uses the term “Professional Left”
Mr. Gibbs what and who is the un-professional left?
Is Obama a member of the un-professional left?
Robert Gibbs fears that Obama lies some call campaign speeches is not going to work in 2012.
One would think that Obama would love being call Bush, this validates his status as a Trojan Horse, who mission was to destroy the Democratic party.
Robert Gibbs, Obama Rahm, David Axelrod, and the rest of the un-professional left should have focused on the Economy. But those from the un-professional left wanted to make sure they made Health Insurance Companies Rich.
Robert Gibbs, thinks he is furious? WOW! imagine how the Professional Left Feels.
Robert Gibbs you may want to have Obama speak in front of hand pick crowds in 2012, make sure you find a lot of un-professional progressives.
Robert Gibbs we put Obama in the White House and we will be the ones that kick him out.
Good Luck! trying to beat the Professional Left, with Hoover I mean Obama as your Boss.
does that mean i can expect a paycheck like his? professional disembler
The purpose of this BS from Gibbs may be to demoralize Progressives, and to begin laying the blame for losses in Congress on them. Obama would have a hard time continuing to govern as a corporate lackey if Dems made any gains at all.
groan :)
it was my very first thought when the story broke -
Send that my way, wouldja?
Please everyone e-mail the WH and let them know how you feel. This could be a firestorm if we make it one. Gibbs need to go.
If Gibbs thinks this would demoralize the left he needs to go back to school and start all over. Makes me wonder if going to the Village sucks one’s brains out.
*cough* … there’s this troublemaker called Hugh, who secret admirers also refer to as the Hughracle … he has a list that Gibbs should peruse …
I understand and agree that if you paid attention to his record and listened carefully to what he was saying, you could tell he was leaving back doors open for himself all over the place.
But there is no doubt that the rhetoric he was using was progressive, and the narrative he was casting himself within was the progressive one. He affirmatively campaigned to stop corporate domination of the political process, pass medicare drug price negotiation, cut defense spending, end the war in Iraq, put an end to torture and protect civil liberties.
People are right to feel that he promoted himself as a progressive hero, even if some people had good reason to suspect he was not.
only after we review your drug test :D
nah, it’s waiting for ya
I’ve been looking for an email addy for the Press Sec’s office but can’t find one. With the volume of email the WH gets this just might get lost in the shuffle.
That could be right. Have been trying to think about what provoked this particular outburst. Best I could come up with was the grousing over Romer, which was pretty loud.
Aw, man, I’m in deep shit trouble now.
If Dems do well, it will be because of his wonderful leadership. I agree, though, that if they lose, “unrealistic, professional leftists” will be blamed.
The corporate whore version of heads I win, tails you lose.
Gibbs is just the symptom, not the disease. Firing Gibbs, nominating Warren, hell even firing Rahm, it’s all window dressing.
Obama is Obama. An authoritarian, right wing worshiping fraud. From what he has “delivered” on the big issues, no firing is going to change my mind about him.
While it seems pretty obvious to me that essentially this administration is campaigning for the mythical swing-state “moderate”, they greatly overestimate their power to blow smoke up people’s rear ends. Essentially they are running the same playbook most of the corporate Democrats run- pretty words and pretend posturing while making sure that the actual legislation and policies they support reflect the interests of the corporations who are giving money to them. Over time, people catch on to this.
Sure Obama gives a good speech, but without action (or even worse, doing the opposite of what he said was going to do) his words ring hollow and once you have lost the audience it’s gone forever… and the guy’s broken so many campaign promises now that I just don’t see much hope of things getting better. In the end, all they are going to have is “we aren’t as bad as the other guys…” which, while most likely true, is probably fatal as a campaign slogan.
Thing is though–you can’t be president of the US without being right wing and believe in American Exceptionalism and the MIC. That’s why I knew Oilbummer was a fraud from day one. I thought he might throw the left a few bones, but that just hasn’t been the case.
Need a mass movement. Electoral politics in the US is broken. Matter of fact, nothing ever gets done here (look at US movements historically) using the ballot box. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for the righteous smack-down, Jane. The only “joy” I take from this is that somehow the disgusting scum of “small people” leftists have somehow gotten under the skin and/or up the nose of self-serving elitists like Gibbs & Obama, who have pretended to be ??? leftwing?? when clearly they are no such thing.
So they spank us and snap at us and tell us “retards” to STFU once again, as if, somehow, their (previously) voting constituents are not entitled to say anything about the government that we (the small people) hired via electing them. Thanks, Gibbs, for the info that I have no “say” at all anymore. Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.
Glad to have it all out there in black & white and on video: it should be promulgated far and wide that THIS is what your elitist corporate overlords think of us scummy, debased, lowly nonentity constituent voters… most of whom campaigend hard and contributed money to getting these rat-bastards elected. Thanks for the info, Gibbs: duly noted how you feel about ME. Got it.
Don’t come calling or knocking on my door for any campaign cash. The end.
It’s probably not just one thing.
-Look how dismal Axelrod’s response as the Prez’s mouthpiece to Prop8 was and Maddow bit on that one.
-People are stomping about Warren.
-And the whole Establishment had to come back to town to salvage the “special interest” of Teachers.
If you observed faction after faction in quick succession giving you the finger, you get some anxiety cooking.
Well said, Jane!
Shouldn’t that be
STFU, DRUGGY retards, and Vote for US!
it all goes back to the meme
well ya cant vote for the nutty repuklicans!
Obama started throwing us under the bus, as soon as he won the Democratic primaries. The die was cast in his appointing corporatist puppets.
Gibbs isn’t trying to win hearts and minds of liberals by calling them crazy and suggesting they are drugged. He is obviously trying to gain additional support from the right by stereotypical liberal bashing.
Jane is correct, it is Obama that morphs for political expediency. And it seems all winds start and end on Wall Street.
Over 500 comments!! No way I’m wadin’ through all that.
oooh me too !
the kind of thing that upsets the here’s your $25,000, now pass the brie crowd
The fact that the Obama WH is (apparently) oblivious to this reality says much about the way the machine runs…and it ain’t pretty. There’s a serious case of groupthink going on inside those walls. Maybe seeing the Democratic party get stomped in November will bring them around, but I wouldn’t bet that way.
Your pieces are always smart, witty, and insightful, Jane, but I am especially enjoying this one. Another home run.
I agree that it’s all window dressing, but I don’t think even they can any longer trust Gibbs. IMO, this is going to really hurt them.
WH is apologizing: HuffPo
Well said Jane! This administration better start to look in the mirror and see why support in nearly all areas is fading fast. It’s simple to me, I thought maybe we finally had a guy in the White House that looked out for the interests of roughly 95% of Americans, instead we got another 5%’er more worried about the new beltway madness of austerity.
I want to know how the left can get a “win.” If the Dems get plastered in Nov. it will be spun, not as a lack of enthusiasm (at least in the MSM, and then therefore the greater Democratic Party), but as win for the right and a call to move even further towards the rightwing’s madness. If the Dems win (which means not losing too many seats), then I think at best we can expect the White House to marginalize the left again or at worst still move to the right because there will be more Republicans in Congress. In the end the left has no voice and I think that is what leaves me in such a profound funk.
If Obama switches parties after the midterms it wouldn’t be out of character.
(Makes me think of Oscar Levant’s comment about Milton Berle’s switch to Christian Science: “Our loss is their loss”.)
And rightfully so.
there’s an earlier one that could easily pass as a case study in tribalism – truly frightening, but lovely photos from blackwaterdog
This post gets mentioned in the HuffPo article!!!
day late,a peso short…primary BACKTRAK OBAMA
I agree. Like many here at FDL, I had some grave misgivings about BHO during the campaign. But no matter how many “outs” BHO gave himself in his campaign rhetoric – and no matter how much we voters ‘get it’ that no pol ever delivers on every campaign promise – BHO ran as a progressive. And he did make quite a few “promises” that spoke to more progressive ideas and causes. And now what: BHO is merely Bush in drag, only worse.
And so? I’m not supposed to complain? Because somehow BHO used certain kinds of secretly coded wording in his campaign speeches, and I didn’t “get” it? Please!! Let’s hold BHO ACCOUNTABLE (which includes holidng Gibbs, as his lapdog, accountable).
Even Bush/Rove weren’t that stupid to piss off the base during an election year. Imagine, Obama/Gibbs/Rahm are dumber than Bush!
I guess this White House really wants a GOP Congress. Guess what, if they get one, impeachment WILL be on the table, in fact, it will be at the head of the table.
What on earth does “inartful” mean in this context? Silly
hee hee
How amateur. If this was a rebuke to the left and probably the feeling of this administration, why apologize? I mean this might (though doubtful) bring in a few moderates, but now it just says “just kidding” it doesn’t bring in moderates and just offends the base. Either fire Gibbs or say nothing at all.
It was deliberate.
1. Obama wants to run against a R congress i 2012, on the platform ‘Re-elect me, see what I’ve prevented,” after symbolically vetoing a few unimportant bills.
2. Obama is more comfortable with Rs. Then he can blame them for passing the corporate friendly laws, because “He has no other choice”. He’s going to get his bipartisanship, and really regret not using all the power of the executive to smash the Rs.
Obama, first black president, First indicted black president too.
Just another BS apology. They backtracked after the Halter/Lincoln election to when the “anonymous” official (who sounded a lot like Rahm) dissed the unions for wasting their money on Halter (who actually stood a better chance of winning in the fall than Lincoln).
Well said Jane! This administration better start to look in the mirror and see why support in nearly all areas is fading fast. It’s simple to me, I thought maybe we finally had a guy in the White House that looked out for the interests of roughly 95% of Americans, instead we got another 5%’er more worried about the new beltway madness of austerity
==========================
threw Shirley Sherrod under the bus for Fox Snooze
“Inartful?” Poor choice of words, there Robert. I would have gone with “Idiotic on a scale that boggles the mind.” But that’s just me…
Load of crap. Eff that. More non-apology than apology and certainly not owning up to anything. Typical “mistakes were made” bull hockey. Gibbs & his boss can take a hike.
They said it. They own it.
they merely think we have NO alternative
:)
Gibbs apology?
Because it can not be said better, please accept this as my response.
If you look at the system in the US, it is not constructed to allow for progressive change. The only recent prez I know of who was honestly progressive was FDR–and that was only because a militant left was at his throat. We need that now. Half-measures will not get the job done.
Justice Ginsburg is looking fairly old. Would Gibbs be confused if the “Professional Left” were not appreciated if Obama nominated Phyllis Schafly to the court? I mean, she has not-man-parts too, so that would be okay, right?
No, you are completely correct. Hell, I used to hate people who were cynics about politics. I really believed the Dems were on my side. I’m the last person I would’ve expected to become a cynic, but alas, I am one now.
The progressive movement has been set back again in this country, because now all those young people my age will be cynical the next time a politician says they will bring change. You won’t be able to repeat the euphoria that drove everyone to the polls in 2008, atleast not for a while.
You weren’t paying attention during the campaign, then.
I agree with your assessment of Obama’s presidency, though you may be a bit too kind, but his campaign was clear: corporations would dominate the economy and foreign policy would look pretty much like it did under Bush.
Obama said he was gonna raise defense spending and he did. Etc.
Jane, excellent smackdown, as well!
Permit me to posit three things from here in the Sonoran Desert and from a Spanish-speaking person.
1. On election day in 2008, we polled over 1,000 Hispanic families, and the full-time employed head of household voted for Obama at a 85% clip. The spouse voted at a 76% level. And to put this in proper context, Hispanic Republicans represent 7% and their rationale is always premised on “the line being shorter on the Right and access to ‘government contracts’ are far easier to achieve.” Thus, Republican “public polices” are deemed irrelevant by these Hispanic Republicans.
2. Now, Obama is doing his polling as well on Hispanics in particular, and his numbers on Hispanics has to be far worse that what is being reported by Gallup and other opinion pollsters, and in this vein, pollsters with a considerable depth of knowledge of Hispanic voters and the community, writ large, are finding their numbers to be disasterous for Obama. And when Obama had his ‘hold me accountable’ moment, he was attempting to shift the focus away from members of Congress and onto himself, as his form for political noblesse oblige. Of course, “I’m a great guy, aren’t I?” was Obama’s bottom line.
3. Today, you can’t find a Hispanic member of Congress speaking of Obama in any negative terms or relative to his agenda since they are all from “safe” districts. In the past six months, only two have spoken out forcefully, and that’s Grivalva of Arizona and Gutierrez of Illinois. But what’s deemed even more important is that the Hispanics serving in the White House have been encouraged to resign, but the response has been that their “success” will found in being a dutiful soldier and for being rewarded in the future by a Democratic administration, once Obama walks off the national stage. To wit, the Clintonistas have been rewarded by being part of the Obama administraiton.
In closing, the ‘public’ numbers do not tell much of any Truth, other than what the White House wants the public to believe. Perhaps, the White House should put a ‘fence’ around their propaganda, so that the general public can decide for itself, what’s to be deemed important. And the national news outlets, are not much of any help in getting at to the ‘truth’ since they need ‘access’ to decision-makers and done in order to keep themselves in business.
Jaango
Bingo.
I love The Rude One. He certainly doesn’t pull his punches.
Bingo.
did you get my tweet ?
Shorter Gibbs
Guess BHO doesn’t care about that. Tie up the Congress in useless b.s. and get nothing done. Seems to be corporate plan at this stage.
I don’t think BHO gives a shite about pissing off his base, and he certainly doesn’t seem to care whether he wins again or not.
Guess that’s why Michelle went on her RITZy European vacay during the height of the recession: this might be her only opportunity to swan around Europe with her gal-pals sporting her designer togs and doing lunch with Spanish royalty… all courtesy of me & you, the dumb, unprofessional, inartful and retarded US taxpayer who’s paying her way to stay at a very expensive resort that most of us couldn’t afford. ‘Schelle got hers: eff you retards.
The bottom line of Gibbs’ Hill interview is that he should have said nothing if he were a true professional. So, it begs the question, “Why?”
What is the strategy?
The “I was mad and tired” at CNN misrepresenting facts has nothing to do with being mad at the professional left. The professional left had nothing to do with legislation to prevent teacher layoffs being described as a “bailout” and getting misrepresented in the MSM.
Then why did he not get mad at cable and the MSM? Why did he not gear his comments toward the MSM.
The professional liberals actually got the “story” on the legislation correct. We know it is not a bailout because, we are informed.
His “backing up the story” is quite hollow and makes no sense.
Right fuckin’ on!!
There were at least three campaigns with various shadings. Obama co-opted the meat of the John Edwards appeals during the early phase. Then he ran as the alternative to Hilary Clinton. Finally, all he had to do was show up.
“Inartful” means “I meant exactly what I said, but said it poorly”. In my world, that is not an apology, it is a confirmation of intent.
Keep on complaining about Obama and you’ll get Sarah Palin next.
Jane, if perchance you should read this -
Late last Friday, upon Glenn Greenwald’s urging I sent you an email – subject header was something like “GG suggested I email you directly”.
I hope you get a chance to look at it. If you can’t find it, GG would know what (bamage’s Just Say Now message) pertains to.
$20 bucks says he picks his nose…
Oh noes! That’s a real winner of an argument there.
Didn’t gibbs make the ad that morphed howard dean into osama? a true progressive, of course.
IMO, I don’t think they’re stupid or that they made a mistake. I think this is all part of the Kabuki show to keep this country in the stranglehold of the corporate elite.
The progressives are the only ones really making any factual sense and really pushing back (albeit in our paltry way) against the powers that be. I often feel like the left (such as it exists) is this tiny chihuahua nipping and barking at this giant mastadon who mostly ignores us because it can.
So I have to say that I’m a bit surprised that BHO – via Gibbs – found the time to even notice us. That is interesting.
oh thank god you’re here
nice backbend btw. but the professional left judge gives it a 6.5
hehehe
A-fucking-men.
The more I think of it, the more I’m convinced this is all “Good Cop, Bad Cop–The Political Version”.
Obama now gets to come out and attempt to make nice with the offended progressives just in time for the elections.
ROFLMAO
Geez, what a great argument for voting for BHO. Why didn’t I think of that?? /s
:D Put me down for two stickers! want to send one to the White House
Yeppurs.
*sighs* Truest, most insightful comment on this. Civil society is being strangled by the assholes and hacks who are drawn to administration. There is no innovation or critical though there anymore, let alone empathy with those over whom you have power. That’s the paradigm.
given the news cycle, if that were the case, their timing is even worse than their ears
How would Palin differ from Oilbummer? What could she do that Barry hasn’t? He’s about to eviscerate Soc Sec and Medicare–and destroy public education.
After I stopped laughing I had to reply… If we complain about Palin who will we get?
I hope Rachel talks about this tonight. Keith probably will.
When he “makes nice” with his Republican buddies though, some progressive gets thrown under the bus.
Thanks. Hey, system analysis went out with the Sixties. Remember…the hippies used to say the Man and the System were the problem. They were on to something!
Indeed. Agree with both of you. That is the paradigm. Blaming dfhs for being “stupid” to vote for BHO is a waste of time. We tried; it’s turned out to be a big failure for the most part.
Now what? We have explored different avenues here at FDL, including the push to get rid of Lincoln in AK, which was somewhat successful.
But what next? Other than not voting for BHO simply out of the fear that Sarah Palin might get in. At this point, what difference does that make?
HuffPo
“Change we can believe in? A new way of doing things? Yes, we can!”
You are making my point. None of that actually means ANYTHING! It’s empty rhetoric. It could mean anything to anyone.
When can we begin to talk about a liberal primary challenge to Obama in 2012? If the republicans do take one or both houses of congress in November, expect the administration to pull a Clinton and tack right on a variety of issues (cutting social security, deep cuts to public safety net, egregious copyright laws, tax cuts for business, international trade deals, privatization of government services, further draconian laws that undermine civil liberties, greater assault against education and teachers, etc…). A high profile primary challenge might keep Obama in line, like it briefly did for Lincoln. The point is, if this is going to happen, we need to start putting our feelers out there. Any suggestions?
Look, I am all for holding Obama accountable as he should be. And I am not all too pleased with him, because he isn’t doing everything he said and he should get rid of Rahm, etc. But at least he is trying to do something to put this country back together again against all odds and republicans who would rather see our country go down a deep dark hole just so they can stay in power. You think we’re dealing with rational people up there in Washington? Everyone has an agenda and thinks theirs is the one to follow. How can we wish that he was more like Bush the dictator? Because our view is the right view?
“Inartful” in this context means Gibbs meant to tell us to go to hell in such a way we would look forward to the trip.
Unlike being a one term President as Obama likely/hopefully will be, she’ll probably quit halfway through her first term.
well put Jane…
It is sad that the Obama Administration cannot come to terms with the fact that they are pushing a corporatist agenda, similar to the previous administration. No amount of whitewash can cover the administrations actions, no matter how much they try to sell it as a “progressive agenda.” I do think it is great and well timed that Gibbs decides to run his mouth off again and attack their base, which is already unhappy and disappointed with the administration.
It is sad when I think about what could have been and wonder what happened to the Obama that campaigned for President…we thought we were getting another FDR or Kennedy and ended up with Clinton
Sharron Angle
Robert Gibbs needs to get a life. And I’d like to invite him to live mine for the next few days. Tomorrow we will get some drugs — the toxic chemo kind that the pharma/medico complex believes is cutting edge therapy. I won’t mention that research is in the dark ages because inquiring minds are stifled by corporate need for fat juicy stock shares. Thank you Obama Administration. Middle America is dying out here to stay alive and on every issue our politicos are, by and large, liars and thieves. Mr. Gibbs and his snarky cynicism are the least of it. He and the rest of the leadership should remember we are listening and watching very carefully.
And mostly: He should be ashamed of himself.
Next presidential election is in 2012. We’ve got a lot more important things to do between now and then. We’ve got 2 years to identify, promote and elect real progressives to the House in 2012.
GirlsJANE kicks a$$!Q: How can you tell if an Obama administration official is lying? A: His lips are moving. To hell with them all, reap the whirlwind assholes.
As a hippie boomer who’s done a fair share of protesting against the system, I feel more and more that we were “on to something” in the 1960s. Our parents and other powers that be kept admonishing us that we needed to work for change “within the system.” Well bugger that for a joke. Here we are in 2010, and here you see what “working within in the system” has wrought: a rightwing dominated govt’ beholden to greedy elitists who have us all by the short & curlies. Endless wars enuring to the benefit of the elites “fought” mainly as a force of dominating and controlling and cowing under the US population.
We are rapidly on the downward slide towards 3rd world status, plus climate change is happening whether the churchy types want to believe it or not.
So, how’s that “change within the system” working out? Not. at. all. Sticking to trying to “change with the system” ends up being co-opted by the system. It’s ok if you’re at the top of the pyramid, as the Obamas and Gibbs’ are. Not so ok if you’re not at the top.
Yeah, well, in the spirit of the Rude Pundit, Obama can suck my dick.
This really effing pisses me off. They weren’t getting my vote anyways, but now I will be doing everything I possibly can to make sure that everyone I know votes third party. So I suppose Obama and Hamburglar think that my Uncle, who is dying from cancer and can’t afford treatment, is part of this “professional left” and needs a drug test. I suppose I’m a professional leftist who needs a drug test too, because I haven’t been employed since I graduated college two years ago. What a load of shite.
Excellent bird! This is the picture.
No wonder Gibbs said what he did, if you don’t know the difference.
Now I get it Gibbs is setting us up for Obama’s complicity in the effort to Destroy Social Security! You know after all They have done for us we shouldn’t complain about a little Cat food for Old retired progressives now should we. OH! To Mr Gibbs: Non apology, apology not accepted. Please resubmit with Sincerety, humility and honesty in you heart. Holding my vote in anticipation of your forth coming penitence.
Welcome. if you haven’t seen it already, you might dig this diary
Comparing basketball players, are we?
Anyone remember Senator Bill Bradley who lost to Gore in the 2000 Democratic campaign? All-America from Princeton, Rhodes Scholar, NBA Hall Of Fame. Bet he would’ve won Tennessee and Florida.
OK:
Perhaps seriously: What exactly has he tried to do to change from Bush? Is continuing renditions (which does not involve Congress in ANY way) changing from Bush? Is saying he can assassinate Americans an improvement from Bush? Is continuing GITMO, which can be closed without an act of Congress just like Bush opened it without an act of Congress different from Bush? How?
or a less serious answer: It would probably be far too dangerous at this point to just quit the Kool-Aid cold turkey. So I would recommend you start by decreasing to one gallon per day starting tommorrow. Wean yourself off slowly so you won’t have any adverse reaction when you see reality once again in all it’s glory.
Sure, I’m there. But it is still more of “working within the system,” and I’m thinking more and more that we need to come up with something else… something different. Not sure what, though. Just musing “out loud” as it were.
Oh please. If you think Obama is “trying” that’s you’re right. I don’t see any difference. BHO is a corporatist thru and thru.
She might have already attacked Iran. She might push for actively hunting down gays in the military and have them discharged. With her it’s easy to imagine everything being worse. The best you could hope for would be like OldFatGuy predicted, she quits.
If anything, the Obama presidency has reinforced the fact that working within the system is a fool’s game. I hope this will spark a change within the left (is there a left in the US?) and we no longer think a messiah figure will wave a magic wand and make everything better. This is pure fantasy. If you must vote vote–but it won’t change a thing without an external movement–angry and passionate–nipping at the heels of our corrupt elite.
Thanks, OFG. Seriously, this “fear Bible Grifter” meme is off the charts. First I’m supposed to think that Gibbs is “on to something,” and then I’m dumb bc I don’t “fear the Grifter.” spare me.
The Republican agenda still rules. They set the agenda and everyone including here goes along with it. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! We’ve (I’ve) been fighting against republicans ruining this country and now that we have a Democrat we still FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! Can’t we change the tone now? We need to get this country moving in the right direction. It’s going to be a slow turnaround and not everyone is going to get what they want right off the bat. We are our own worst enemy. Rabid! I feel like I am posting on a republican board.
At this point, I sincerely believe it makes no difference. See my comment above @ 132 and veganrevolution’s at 72.
Another serious question for bellesouth: I know it’s horrifying, but imagine that
Doll Arms and Bible SpiceMcCain and Palin had won. What exactly would be different, or worse, today? The Democratic majorities in the House and Senate may very well have stood up to them and said no to some of the watered down bills and egregious policies the Obama administration has enacted.Who is this Democrat you speak of?
Best one-liner I’ve read today on Baghdad Bob.
Best idea for a bumper sticker I’ve seen lately.
Pardon me for consistently failing to understand how these Obama guys think, but do they really think O’s slip in approval ratings is because the “moderates” in the “center” think he’s just not compromising enough? These guys can’t be so stupid that they believe the droves that have left him from the time of his election until now are any other than the progressives. So if stupidity is no explanation, the only thing left is that they not only hate us, but that they hate us so much they sometimes lose control and act in ways that are not in their electoral self-interest.
Obama must be primaried. Who will do it? What are they doing now? How can I help?
Exactly. I think it’s also why the corporate owned media has made a huge effort to suppress what protesting on the left that does happen. The media almost exclusively follows the T-party ersatz ginned up protests, inflates the numbers, and focuses on the most extremist elements of them (rather than focusing on some of the protesters who do have more mainstream and reasonable comments to make).
There have been anti-war protests this year, but you never see them bc they’re suppressed. We’ve seen some protests against the draconian AZ anti-immigration racist law, but even those events were given short shrift in the media.
So we have to be having some effect, even though it doesn’t seem that way. Why would Gibbs make his stupid nasty diatribe attack if we didn’t have some effect. We have to seize moments like these and make the most of them.
Or, even worse, how about asking if the guy in the oval office looks like the guy in the oval office:
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/president-obama-strongly-supports-publi
- Tom
Would I sound “professional” if I just say GRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrr??????????
Unless and until a viable national 3rd party presents we’re stuck with working within the system. I don’t like it any better than anybody else but the reality is that’s what we have to work with.
And how exactly would a 3rd party ever become viable if we all keep working with the system?
Exactly!! We’ve been blogging about just that during this whole inane and infuriating admin. Democrats have been responsible for pushing the line against abortion – via Bart Stupak in the HCR – not Republics. What have we gained from having BHO v. having McCain/Palin? What we’ve gained is a bunch of Democrats who are corporate enablers, and apparently no ability from the few Democrats who are somewhat more marginally “progressive” to stem the tide of the ever rightward push and corporate domination.
I don’t want a Republican admin, but I’m stuck with one now. So what’s the difference? They’re all Republicans. Living in a fantasy land that BHO’s “really nice” or “trying” is just that: living in fantasy land.
That Dennis Kucinich, whose views should be mainstream in the Democratic party, is used as the benchmark of crazy extremism shows how insane we have truly become.
Right, and with that kind of attitude, we will surely never have a third party.
Say! I thought “professionals” got paid? Where’s my dough?
Oh, now they’re trying to drag it back:
Robert Gibbs Clarifies “Professional Left” Criticism, Calls Initial Comments Inartful
These people have their heads up and locked.
do they review these statements or just…blurt them out?
So how do you plan to hold Obama accountable if you still plan to vote for him. A sternly worded letter perhaps?
Anymore, that is my question, too. I get the feeling that we “have to work with in the system,” but it’s a failed strategy imo. We need to find a new way. Working within the system does. not. work.
That Dennis Kucinich, whose views should be mainstream in the Democratic party, is used as the benchmark of crazy extremism shows how insane we have truly become.
THAT comment deserves repeating. And bolded. And if I knew how to make it larger letters, I’d do that.
Thanks Imka.
Dead on comment.
EDIT: Doh, forgot again to hit Reply to Imka at 175 button.
I don’t see how that changes anything. Historically, that has never been the case. You need to form a movement outside in order to change the culture. This is why they have tried to destroy the example of the Sixties. Nobody sucked up to LBJ re Vietnam. No one cared he was a Dem and he was beyond criticism.
you godless socialists have infected me with the notion that we place far too much emphasis on national electoral politics dot dot dot to the detriment of local organizing – a big reason I am so excited about the Just Say Now ! campaign
We WERE onto something….and too many of us were also ON SOMETHING!!! :^)
You’re forgetting that Palin would not be a dictator. She couldn’t hunt down and kill all the gays unless congress approved it. That’s called checks and balances and was incorporated into our system to prevent dictators. Again … how would she be different than Obama?
Now there is a good reason for me to stay away from WalMart.
What, you can’t work to build a 3rd party while still working within the system? Is everybody supposed to stop working/voting for Dems or Independents while they try to build a 3rd party. Look at the Greens, probably the most well known 3rd party. Just how many Greens have been elected to Congress? Do you think some Nader-type dude is gonna drop out of the sky and suddenly we have a national 3rd party?
Gibbs is bringing the wars home. He accuses the “left” of wanting to get rid of the Pentagon and then slanders them by playing the “drug” card. This is just more justification for the Pentagon and Gates War On Americans, who oppose the war profiteers. They are not bringing the troops home in 2011 or 2012 or 2020.
No. We are not you. That’s what you all need to understand. You had the real leftists in this country in your tent with you for awhile and you started to assume our goals are the same as yours. They are not. And we understand the nature of an alliance with established power, but if you won’t throw us a bone (ending drumming people out of the military over sexual orientation doesn’t seem like such a reach) at all, the relationship is over. I would say “good luck in November,” but I don’t mean it, so I won’t.
(glenn greenwald)
Not so here.
Talking about a 3rd party isn’t building one. Are you building one or just shootin’ your mouth off?
Back to work.
Namaste
Sadly, yes. And that should also be a rallying cry. It’s just another tool and way to marginalize the true leftists and progressives out there by saying that we’re “crazy,” and “stupid” and “out there” and “nutty.”
Listen to Kucinich, and then listen to Sharron Angle.
Who, really, is “crazy” and “nutty” and “out there”??? But who’s getting dissed, and who’s getting the corporate endorsement??
Do the math. Figure it out.
Kucinich has a brain and will push for “real” changes and things that are improvements for the “small” people. Angle, should she win, will be bought and led around by the nose to do what she’s told by the powers that be, much as Sarah Palin is. Palin was at least “smart” enough to get well paid for being a corporate whore. I have to give Palin that much, as much as I cannot stand her. She did get hers.
So Kucinich stands up (most of the time) for the voters. Angle will stand up for the corporations.
Who’s being dissed by Gibbs & Obama? And do you still think Barry’s YOUR friend???? Who’s crazy now??
It means ‘Ain’t gonna pee pee in no cup, ‘less Robert Gibbs is going to drink it up’.
;>)
Hey, I didn’t vote for Obama in 2008. I saw the caveats, the reneging on filibustering the FISA Amendments Act, the Reverend Wright affair, and after the election the support for TARP and the Cabinet selections. But Obama went even further to the right than I thought he would. I thought he would work with progressives at least on some issues. Instead he shut us out across the board. Obama was being deliberately deceitful in his campaigning. The change was change from Bush. However, what we have gotten is more of the same.
Obama doesn’t get a pass simply because on page 52 subsection 23 of some campaign statement somewhere he might have said, “And oh by the way, everything you really thing I stand for is all just BS.”
Clinton supporting Romanoff versus Obama supporting Bennett
It will be an interesting primary.
you have more FB mail
Oh, he doesn’t get a pass from me at all. I just don’t think he was deceitful as much as deliberately vague.
CNN has confirmed his death…
Seems to me the Obama Campaign, and many bloggers that attended the NRN, only got their talking points down. The same “professional left” that shoved him down our throats in the Primaries will be back to praising him soon enough. Maybe Chris Matthews can even do a followup as to why “Obama makes my leg tingle” or “Why it doesn’t tingle anymore” or “Wasted Tingles. I just wish I could get it back.” Let the faux debate begin!
You may have been snookered by the media’s language fuckery. In the 1960s/70s there was an ‘anti-war movement’; there were ‘war protestors’; ‘anti-war demonstrations’.
Now our media says and writes ‘anti-war protestors’ -probably by analogy to the mind-numbing locutions of ‘pro-life/pro-choice/pro-abortion/anti-life/anti-abortion – and you pick up the language without thinking. Be more careful, please?
Not true. If Barry’s done something right, it has been acknowledged. It’s easy to just paint all of this with a broad brush. It’s not like that.
Speaking for myself, I don’t appreciate being attacked for standing up for what I believe in, and I will call a spade, a spade. I very much resent the POTUS’s spokesperson speaking to me in the way that Gibbs did, and it’s not the first time it’s happened. I have a right to voice my opinion.
You can do whatever the fuck you want, but I am done working within the two-party system. I am not going to give money or time or vote for a Democrat for national office ever again. Period. No kidding. Not even my representative Barbara Lee, who was sucked far enough into the borg to tout the “healthcare bill” on her website, as if it was something good or useful. I’d certainly consider working and giving money to a third party but honestly I think we are at the point where only massive civil disobedience is going to result in any significant change. Democracy in America is a sham.
[modnote: please, dial it down a notch.]
figaro, are you suggesting Congress would NOT vote to hunt down/kill gays? ;)
Miss me yet?
Not at all. With this crowd, anything can happen;) I’m merely pointing out that this fear of “What if a Republican gets into office,” is predicated on some unrealistic expectation that any Republican will have a free hand to do whatever they want.
But now that I think about it, Bush had a free hand because the Dems were spineless so maybe I’m completely wrong on this point.
Ok, I guess. What I speak of were protests that happened in quite a few cities, including Wash DC, this past March on the anniversary of the start of the Iraq War. Speaking only for myself, I never saw a peep about these protests in any so-called “mainstream” media outlets – tv, newspapers, or radio. I only knew about them mainly thru word of mouth and via some posts on FB and the Internet.
Later I’ve witnesses rightwing people come here to FDL to “chide” us lefties for not protesting the wars any longer in public style anti-war protests… and turning that into a meme that we lefties no longer are “against the wars” bc Obama, as a so-called Democratic POTUS, is in power.
That’s the kind of stuff I’m talking about. I was probably too vague in my last post. But I find that “interesting,” in that have been anti-war protests in the USA in 2010; I have not seen much media attention paid to them; yet then there are rightwingers in various outlets stating that “leftists are no longer protesting the wars bc Obama is POTUS.”
It’s all part of the corporate agenda to stifle our voices and manipulate the information. Will try to be more clear in future. Hope this helps. If not, let me know.
how can we miss you when your policies wont go away ?
“We thought we were getting another FDR or Kennedy and ended up with Clinton.”
Barack Obama is not fit to lick Bill Clinton’s boots.
Did you see emptywheel’s article ‘here’ a few days ago? Or do you mean only this ‘here’ particular thread?
They would much rather have “progressives” focus on Kucinich than, say, Bernie Sanders, who would not have to primary him and could run against him as the registered Independent that he is.
He’s got two more years. Let’s try a more effective way for the next two years to work with him. Bashing him is not helping.
Why would we need to have a national third party overnight, wouldn’t having, say, representatives from progressive areas like the west coast do the job? Something like the NDP in Canada, which gets most of its MPs from the prarrie provinces, and by the way was responsible for single payer. I live in Orlando but do not view Suzanne Kosmas as “my representative” (nor Grayson, after his telecom sellout), I wouldn’t mind that “my representatives” were 2000 miles away, I just want a progressive, non-sellout voice.
No, I don’t miss Bush, yet, bc Obama’s just carrying forward his programs and doing pretty much the same as if it’s W’s third term. What’s to miss?
Oh he gets kudos here. When he announced the new, higher CAFE standards he got a positive reaction here.
You may be confused because most of it, and nearly all of it lately, has been negative.
Now why would that be??
In your opinion what’s been his best, or one of his best, acts/decisions/appointments/orders of the last two or three months? If you bother to respond to me (which apparently you aren’t) then I’ll respond with my list of disappointments over the same time period.
And then we can look at the evidence and make an informed overall decision about Obama. Or are you saying when we make a decision we should only look at his pluses and ignore his negatives much like the Republicans do with their politicians?
Here at FDL not emptywheel.
I like your passion! Now we need millions more to second that emotion!
Obama is an abject failure, the only thing he can do now is leave.
YEP!!
I have found this thread to be quite interesting, so I will do an “add-on” to my post @107.
America’s Spanish-speaking community is ‘changing’ American politics for the better, but understanding the baseline is of primary importance and that being, “Democrats are Worthless!” is critical, and perhaps, with some well-placed cynicism. To wit, Democrats are required to “prove themselves every day” and this yardstick is predicated on LBJ, not Kennedy, Clinton, or Obama. Thus, Obama has already failed this test. He surrendered his agenda and legacy to the Senate Democrats and did so willingly.
Consequently, Hispanics are ‘framing’ their message in the form that if you are a “shit-disturber” of sorts, you are an “aggressive” Moderate and this is which differniates Obama for being a “regressive” Moderate. So, if you want to call yourself a “progressive” or some identical label, you don’t know it as yet, but Hispanics are leaving you behind.
Take, for example, here in Arizona, when the majority of white Democrats overwhelmingly support both SB 1070 and its campanion piece, HB 2281, the Navajo Tribal Council quickly passed their two resolutions in opposition, and thusly, gave the white Democrats their proverbial “middle finger salute” and I might add on my part, this was a well-deserved salute too.
And next year, two more campanion pieces of legislation will orginate by the arch-conservative and Republican-led state legislature. And so, all this will be repeated and the White House and Obama’s administration will be defending itself from these arch-conservatives, but won’t defend the “shit-disturbers, and as now indicated by Gibbs. As such, we take Gibb’s statement at full face value and he will receive no discount on his ‘price point’ and Obama must pay the due bill and in full. And the self-identified “progressive” community, won’t be part and parcel to this decision-making, and because being “aggressive” is far than just a mere label. It takes conjones to critique Obama from here in the Southwest, since we know the cost can exhorbitant.
Jaango
Respectfully Submitted.
Jaango
What is this “more effective way” of which you speak? Should we shower him with praise? Should we defend him against all criticism? If there is a more effective way for us to push him to the left and get him to honor his campaign pledges I’m sure we would all be very interested in hearing about it. I’ll be the first to jump on board!
PLEASE! Tell me what this “more effective way” is so that we can implement it immediately.
We would not have any healthcare reform at all, we would not have any financial reform at all. Sotomayor, Kagan seem pretty good. Are you saying we should ignore his pluses and only look at his negatives?
I do not think so. Bashing helps. It is easy. This Gibbs needs some more bashing.
I will not stop fighting to end the torture, wars and Super Unitary Presidency who can kill anybody anytime. Obama does work with British Petroleum and PhRMA and AIG. Why would these people work with us pro lefties.
Emptywheel is part of FDL.
Having fun only answering the posts you like without having to actually defend Obama’s decisions?
Come on, let’s here your defense of continuing renditions, continuing limitless detentions (or end of habeas corpus), assassinating Americans, passing a Heritage foundation/Republican wet dream health insurance profit protection act, etc. etc.
Can you defend his acts or do you merely like the letter after his name?
We get that you are an Obama troll. Obama came in with a popular mandate to repudiate the policies of Bush. He had the biggest majorities in Congress in 80 years, and he proceeded to embrace Bush’s whole agenda. And even if you can overlook his having the biggest majorities in 80 years in Congress and still flog the fantasy that he couldn’t enact his legislative agenda, there were many other non-legislative areas he could have acted in. He didn’t have to open Guantanamo East at Bagram. He didn’t have to embrace indefinite detention. He didn’t have to fight every habeas petition. He didn’t have to continue and expand Bush’s domestic spying apparatus. He could have investigated Bush era criminality. He could have investigated the banksters. He didn’t need Congress for any of that. But he went ahead with all that anyway.
In this instance, Obama bashed me for no reason. So now I’m supposed to “make nice”? Seriously? We here at FDL have done a lot of things to support, back up and help Obama. But we push for our agenda – much as the Tea Party pushes for their agenda.
Agree with the Tea Party or not, I surely don’t see any conservative politicians calling those constituents “retards” or “unprofessional” or “drug addicts” who should STFU.
And yet, we here at FDL push for a progressive agenda that Obama (albeit vaguely, it’s true) campaigned on and took money from us for, and now I’m supposed to “make nice” to “help” BHO over the next 2 years to “do the right thing”??
Oh please. Enough. Wake up. Obama is NOT my friend, that’s for sure. He sent forth Robert Gibbs to tell me so specifically. I’m not crazy.
Enough. Back to work.
Well beating him over the head is not working, probably just moves him more to the right.
Gotta run but thanks for the great entertainment this morning. Great thread.
As always, thanks for all you do Jane!
Health care (which is a negative not a positive)
Sotomeyer
Kagan.
That really the best you can do?
Damn, I can do better than that.
Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
Increase in CAFE standards for the first time in years.
Some of the credit card regulations are very helpful to the consumers.
Come on, if you want to do this you’ve got to at least make it a challenge.
Get on the Netroots Nation Page, brother. “Clinton would be worse” is no longer the talking point. That is so 2008. Did you not get you talking points memo or understand why all the “professional left” articles are coming out about Clinton replacing Biden.
That’s not an answer to my question. I want meat.
I am sorely disappointed with Barack. But I was nearly suicidal with Bush in office or maybe John McCain. It is this kind of eating our own that gets us those two.
To the moderator and to Jane: I have seen several moderator notes lately at FDL regarding what (to me) seemed like rather vague threats of violence from various commenters, and now you’re asking me to dial it down when I mention civil disobedience. Can you please be more direct and specific as to what you have a problem with? I’m not trying to be confrontational, I am sincerely confused.
[the tone of your reply]
WALOC
Jane hits it out of the park with this piece!!! WOW! Let em have it Jane!!!
I don’t know about you, but I can get healthcare now where I couldn’t before.
Oh please President Obama do not go more to the right. That will hurt my feelings. That will hurt the innocent victims of Obama’s current wars. It will hurt the torture victims. It will hurt the victims of Obama’s next war. But it will make the right wingers happy. They intend to impeach him anyway.
Wow, what’s it like in 2013? The rest of us are still here in 2010. Are there flying cars yet?
The phrase “professional left” didn’t generate on Gibbs’ tongue spontaneously during that interview.
Sure, if you have enough money to pay for a very expensive policy.
oh sorry, I did not get my talking points, I will have to rectify that situation…now I feel so embarrassed about being too out of date…
Well, after all, I am a drugged-out fucking retard who refuses to work within the system and thinks that some magic 3rd party candidate will fall out of the sky, what do I know. I’ll try to watch my tone.
Good for you. Can you afford to use the insurance coverage? And what are you having to give up to pay for it?
You’re on the right track. I’ll take it further – the original kabuki performance (hill article) plays to many audiences. Some progressive lefties get more demoralized & sit out nov. elections (an absent vote is better than an against vote). Middle of the roaders, rally behind their beleaguered set-upon hero (“look at all the ‘historic’ legislation he’s accomplished!”). & Corporate $ always approve of slamming leftie truthsayers.
Now the apology is meant for a much more narrow group, specifically the the most popular left leaning media, probably Maddow, Stewart & Colbert. Rachel will criticize O’s war & gay inaction, but otherwise, she’s a major cheerleader for his grand domestic agenda. Stewart, being a little older, wiser & out there for laughs doesn’t buy into the bs as much, but does play along on occasion, ditto for Colbert. The ultimate goal of securing M, S & C support is their target (young) audience. O’s future is the young (his legislative accomplishments so far are ‘teachable moments’ for the idealistic neophytes that he fired up – see, this is how politics work, it’s always about the lesser of 2 evils), people of color (immigration reform is just around the corner!) & any progressive boomer making 7+ figures (didn’t mean to offend you & your campaign $). All the rest of left isn’t even a blip on their radar screen.
I’d say you’ve pretty much summed up the situation in DC as I tend too see it these days. I think Barry hates us a lot more then he hates the right. I think he’ll be very comfortable with a Rethug Congress. It’s obvious Gibbs rant was a set up so the WH can blame all of us when the Dimocrats get their heads handed to them this fall.
Obama’s positive accomplishments are so meager (and likely inadvertent) compared to his negative (mostly intentional) achievements that they aren’t worth mentioning. Humor the Obots all you like although I fail to see the point. They have their Dear Leader, so you needn’t throw them any bones.
Also wonderful how Gibbs used right wing frames to denigrate the Left. “Liberals” as a pejorative, “Canadian Health Care” (socialist!), and doing away with the Pentagon. The last one a straw man.
Excellent point.
OK fair enough.
Sorry if I overreacted.
You do have a point in that the left does have a history of “eating it’s own” and shooting itself in the foot.
But, IMO, that’s NOT what is happening here. Read Hugh at 225 for a very good reading of the Obama administration.
In almost every way imagineable for progressives, this admin has failed. And so we must ask why. If it were because of Republican obstructionism our anger would be directed there. But you can’t blame the Republicans for any of this when they have the smalles minorities in over a generation. And you can’t blame Congress at all for all of the decisions the admin has made that requires no Congressional input.
When I, and many others look at that evidence, we see a mostly right wing administration posing as a Democratic one, and that pisses us off. For one, we want our party back from these corporatists. We also know that the times we live in require some real changes instead of continuing our drive toward the cliffs and net getting them pisses us off.
Obviously YMMV, but I’m quite comfortable in my reviewing of all of the evidence and coming to the conclusion that this is NOT by any stretch of the imagination a Democratic administration, and this is NOT by any stretch of the imagination an administration that’s doing “good” for the country, and therefore I CANNOT in good conscience support it at all.
Hilarious. You win one free internet.
eating WHOSE own, bellesouth? Certainly not mine. This imposter in the White House bears zero resemblance, ideologically, to the rhetoric he spouted in order to get elected. So don’t call him “ours,” because most of those here will refute that in a heartbeat.
I can conceive of few things as dangerous as a candidate who says one thing on the campaign trail and does the opposite in office. At least Bush warned us: “I’m gonna continue to torture, and tap phones and look in your windows whenever I want – and if you don’t like it, you’re against us.”
That kind of honesty at least helps me decide whether to remain in the “land of the free.” Obama said he would end all that and has extended it instead. HE LIED. That’s all I need to know.
Not surprising, Gibbs and his boss ARE right-wingers, despite the GOP’s continuing effort to portray them otherwise.
No, your points are very clear. Many years ago, in Remote Control: Television And The Manipulation Of American Life, Frank Mankiewicz and Joel Swerdlow identified the effect you describe as “certification”. It’s the notion that something has to be on TV before it’s ‘believed’ or considered real and true. The converse also applies: If it isn’t on TV it didn’t happen or isn’t true.
The point I was emphasizing is that the media have made the phrases ‘war protestors’ and ‘anti-war protestors’ mean exactly the same thing. The media know how to glaze your eyes over, how to shut down attention – and how to get your attention. They scream at you. Their written scripts have ALL CAPS where the on-air reader’s voice should rise and be louder. Most newscasters sound like they’re reporting an exciting sporting event live.
(I detect Appalachian DNA in your comments, btw.)
But can you afford it?
I think I am more suicidal with Obama, because I believe this is truly the very best we can hope for in today’s America. When it was Bush, we were fooled into thinking that if we could just hold out four more years, things would get better.
Wasn’t it Obama himself that once admitted he had done COKE back when?
Jane — Great post.
Jake –
Absolutely correct. But you left out a couple of key descriptives for Obama: egomanaical sociopathic
Please explain.
Are you using one of the new community health care centers? I wasn’t aware any of them had opened yet, but could be wrong.
Would you care to elaborate how the Health Insurance Profit Protection Act (HIPPA) made it so you can get health care (not insurance) now whereas you couldn’t before?
The unending investigations of the Obama admin, and possibly impeachment, if the GOP take over the House will be a shitshow worth sticking around for. Wonder if the DNC will kick Nelson another $500k if he votes with the GOP for impeachment?
Just sayin”. If they keep the faux debate up about putting her on the ticket so people might be tempted to get on the unity pony, you will have to move onto another meme.
I am afraid to ask.
To OldFatGuy: I was deemed uninsurable. No health insurance for me for the last six years.
Nice thing about flying cars, it will be better for our rulers not having to drive past all the foreclosed homes. What used to be the American middle-class will look like ants from their perspective. Oh, they already do? Never mind.
There is something that bugs the hell out of me. A wise woman once told me that there are two ways to make a change. One is to effect something. The other is to set an example. Obama has done neither.
Carol –
Jane complains about tribalism, and sure, FDL supports primary challengers (Halter, Romanoff, etc) but in the end it’s support the Dems or else. The idea that people should engage in civil disobedience against a Democratic administration is just going too far.
Right. So, doesn’t it strike you as mildly ironic that our president went, in 2009, from decrying the “greed” of the insurance companies and declaring the health care system “broken” to, one year later, signing a bill requiring us all to purchase policies from those same greedy bastards? How can that NOT piss you off?
Very true. I was stuck somewhere while a TV was showing the ABC national newscast. I never watch that shiat. Anyway, they did a segment (3 minutes) on if the extremely hot summer was proof that Global Warming was true. I thought, well, this should be enlightening.
The scientists that were shown talking about Global Warming were shown using fuzzy footage from webcams for some reason, with the audio all whacked out. Then they had a reporter talk to Inhofe, shown in a suit, talking about how we are in a cooling period. The presentation difference was straight out of Pravda.
Absolutely. The most depressing aspect of the whole sorry mess.
I watched Obama when he was in the Senate. He wasn’t forceful enough then and he isn’t now. I had to vote for him because I was afraid of McCain and then I was afraid McCain would die!
It does. Put the republicans back in office and they’ll repeal everything.
Wow, a mind reader. Let’s see if you’re right.
I think of FDL as an evolving effort, and fully expect it to deepen its commitment to progressive ideals over idols, be they individuals or whole parties.
“We”?
Too many citizens regard the POTUS as The Most Powerful Leader Of The Free World. He gets more ink and face time than any hundred people. Most of it is gossip of the third-rate political sort, who’s up, who’s down, what’s in or out or on. In fact, he’s a functionary, a public-relations chief executive of the government. Every president has been hamstrung by real political pressures, especially from Congress. These days, Congress is pressured by corporate interests more than usual; so it looks like nothing works right.
A lot of commenters sound frustrated, which is what happens when a candidate like Obama raises expectations maybe as high as he once believed possible, which we all know were very high. He was naive, he hadn’t been in big-time politics for more than a few years. He found out fast that he can’t do jackshit. It’s not his fault alone.
If popular revolt doesn’t do it for them.
I know. Just as Robert Gibbs tries to keep the Professional Left in line with ridicule, so do the designated ridiculers here at FDL whenever someone suggests that we should stop voting or participating in the existing system. Was my comment to SouthernDragon deemed inartful because I said fuck, or was it because I said stop voting for Democrats?
Well, if you are going to get picky about it, you’d probably have to include “evil elitist prick”.
I wonder when the Ivy League geniuses over there are going to figure out that Right wingers will never vote for him no matter how much he panders to their idiocy.
sorry, but i’m goddamn fed up with the “lesser of two evils” and “let’s be realistic” arguments. the lesser of two evils is still evil.
And you think that is a disincentive for us? Repeal this horrible HCR? “Finance Reform”?
Yes, you DON’T know about me: I still cannot afford access to health care (going on 19 years without insurance) and I STILL will not four years from now. Calling something that was essentially a subsidy for the health insurance mafia “health care reform” doesn’t mean anything.
Medicare Part D requires seniors (and people on Disability) to purchase prescription insurance from private companies at the time they become eligible or pay a penalty if they decide to enroll later.
Dems examined this Republican blueprint as a model for their health care reform package and apparently the only shortcomings they could identify were that it did not require EVERY American to purchase a shoddy product from a private corporation and that the penalty for non-compliance did not take effect immediately.
Needless to say, their version corrects those shortcomings.
And forcing uninsured Americans to purchase insurance from private corporations is not the same as “providing coverage to uninsured Americans.”
Dems can spin it that way until hell freezes over. If a few people believe them it’s merely because they haven’t yet received the bill.
Yes, this is why Bush-Cheney were completely unable to enact their agenda. Of course, the reason they failed no doubt is because they had even smaller majorities than Obama. /s
Carol, before 2008 I was pretty much a liberal, but after the crash and Obamanation, I got radicalized–started reading Bakunin, Goldman, etc. Folks back in the 19th century had the right idea. The vision for a peaceful, productive, happy society is there in the old books! Non-hierarchical, decentralized society based on mutual aid. We are heading in that direction anyway. The powers that be are already having a hard time keeping the house of cards up!
Alright.
But now that you’ve seen Obama continue renditions (and the ONLY reason to be interested in continuing renditions is to continue torture, it’s just some other country doing the torturing), continue to deny habeas corpus (a UN sanctioned basic human right), say before the Congress that he can order the assassination of American citizens with no due process, refuse to hold pass lawbreakers (Bush, Cheney, Yoo, etc) accountable thus rendering the “rule of law” meaningless… seeing all of this and then deciding to vote for him again means you support those things.
I will never, EVER, vote for any President or Presidential candidate that supports those things and thus will sleep well at night knowing I can’t be blamed for it. I wonder how well those that vote for Presidential candidates supporting those things sleep? I already know the right wingers sleep well, hell, they get off on that shit. But folks claiming to be enlightened, could support THAT???
Not I said the old fat guy.
Isn’t it crazy that you have to characterize a “non-hierarchical, decentralized society based on mutual aid” as radical?
At this point I’d rather have Republicans in charge…they can’t govern either, so at least they’ll get the blame when their insane policies fail. It’s better than watching the current administration fail and have the failures blamed on ‘progressive/liberal’ policies, when Obama is anything but. It was also much better getting ignored by Bush than being singled out and called ‘retards’ or druggies by team Obama.
I felt that prior to 9/11 the Bush/Cheney agenda was in some jeopardy because of the looming recession. 9/11 appeared to hand them a blank check(book). I’m not one of those people who believe they orchestrated the attack but when the opportunity arrived they certainly made the most of it.
Isn’t it also crazy to characterize Canadian style health care as crazy???
I mean that’s exactly what Gibbs did when he said something about the left not being happy until we have “Canadian style health care and no Pentagon.”
See how slickly he equated Canadian style health care with being equally as crazy as having no military?
What bizarro world are we living in when suggesting we use a health care system that works better in terms of outcomes AND costs less is as crazy as suggesting we do away with our entire military.
What an asshole.
Nope, no Appalacian in my “roots” at all. Come from a very authoritarian, fundie family, though.
Thanks for the response. I get what you’re saying about language and about the junk that passes for “nooz” on the tv, radio & print media these days. I pay little attention to it, myself.
However, many citizens do watch and listen, and I *guess* they believe that they’re getting most of the “news.” To be redundant, there have been protests against the wars in 2010 in various cities, and the rallies were of a decent size (eg, not just, like, 10 people). IF there’s no coverage at all, *many* citizens are completely unaware of them, nor are they aware that, in fact, citizens are protesting the wars.
This then leads to the rightwing coporate propoganda that the “left” no longer is “protesting against the wars” based on the simple fact that “leftist” Obama is in the whitehouse. Ergo, the left now “supports” the wars bc we have a “Democratic” POTUS.
I feel compelled to repeat this because I’ve seen this meme promulgated both by rightwingers posting here at FDL and other blogs, as well as witnessing it promulgated in the corporate media. Just saying…
Well, it is considered radical, as you know. The reason, of course, is because everyone believes capitalism is the alpha and the omega of human society. Perhaps we are reaching a crossroads in history. I hope so. We need to try new things. Capitalism is killing the planet.
I’m not one of the people that are there yet either, BUT, I go get tired of the labels of crazy being thrown at people who do wonder.
There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that the Bush administration benefited from 9/11. None. Their approval ratings and ability to get stuff they wanted, was, as you said, very much in question prior and then things TOOK off after.
So whenever someone directly and in a great way benefits from something, I think it’s a GOOD thing to question whether or not they are involved. If a 78 year old multi-millionaire married to a 24 year old centerfold is found murdered, who do you think the police look to first???
Thanks for that comment. I meant to say something about that previously (honest). That also pissed me off!!! Really slick that to slip in the Tea Party rant that the Canadian health care system is incredibly awful and bad for you and will result in death panels for granny.
Now ‘splain again why I should view Obama (via his mouthpiece, Gibbs) as a traditional “Democrat” or as even marginally “left,” and why should I try to “help” these corporate hacks push forward their rightwing agenda?? Why would I DO that?????
A well written response Jane! You covered everything that was in my heart and on my mind. Your opening statement is right on-target:
“The Obama in the White House is not representative of the Obama who organized, campaigned, raised money and ran for office…”
It’s TRUE. Not sure why they are having such a hard time UNDERSTANDING this. They resist taking responsibility for shortcomings, always placing the blame on GW or Progressives – their favorite problem children. Talking down to us + wagging a finger in our faces ’cause we are soooo bad don’t you know.
I organized, campaigned, raised money, and donated to a cause I believed in. At this moment I refuse to organize, raise money, make calls, or donate to any DEMOCRATIC cause/candidate. What the Obama Presidency has PROVEN to me is how corrupt the system is and how Corporations are the masters. Our problems transcend Party. I no longer BELIEVE in the system. Our HOPE and CHANGE must come from outside the exisisting power structure. I am putting all on my efforts, my money, and my time on building an alternative solution.
I say this is a failure of the inner circle of advisors and of a President who has put too much faith in these men.
Foul! Isn’t there a referee for unfair snark?
Will the gentleman yield? From 2004 on, the Congress and the Executive held a Mexican Standoff. I mean, when the new Speaker was elected (and 1.5 heartbeat away from POTUS), she had to say that Impeachment Is Off The Table, meaning, of course, that it would always be on the table. Yes, the Bush-Cheney agenda prevailed in its first term and its momentum couldn’t be thwarted. It could have been worse, and would have been. Thank heaven for Pagefuckergate.
The Spanish Revolution
Also note the deception in Gibbs saying we’d ONLY have settled for single-payer. While it was disappointing that single-payer was never considered, most of us would have been very pleased with a robust public option.
As it turned out, the public option was never (really) on the table either.
The powers that be here in the United States of Amnesia hate anything that helps people in a direct way. That, of course, is Socialism and must be stamped out! They apply labels to misdirect. I remember Billary Clinton wouldn’t meet with the Socialist candidate against Sarkozy (sp?) because she was…yes..a Socialist!!!! Ewwww cooties.
I’m down with that.
When the opportunity arrived, they did nothing to prevent it. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Bush went on vacay, per usual.
And then when the special ops had ObL in their sights in the Tora Bora Hills of Afghanistan, W, via Rummy, pulled them back.
Those are facts, not suppositions.
They spent the rest of their time in office ginning up fear, plus rah-rah for the USA stuff that the authoritarians go in for. It definitely worked for them and they’re laughing all the way to the bank.
Great comments here by all of the Firepups. Keep on keepin on. Gibbs should go back to Alabama where he belongs. He has no idea how pissed off real people out there without jobs are. There’s that old story that a press person asked someone at Roosevelt’s funeral whether he knew Roosevelt. He said “no, but Roosevelt knew me.” How many people out there would say that about President Smartypants and his smarmy aides?
You can’t convince me that there is any substantive difference between the the Republican agenda and the (actual) Dem agenda. One corporatist party with two marketing divisions.
Sometimes they accidentally show their true colors. I am nevertheless unpleasantly surprised that I find myself, so soon, holding a Democratic press secretary in the same contempt as I held Lyin’ Arie. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I’m sorry for your disappointment, and I hate to disappoint you further. IMO this isn’t about BHO being “misled” in some way. This IS who BHO is. When BHO campaigned, he lied. What you see is a feature, not a glitch.
I agree, and I could definitely be wrong, but my feeling is that the two “parties” work more in concert than one would be led to believe if one paid much attention to what is said in the corporate “nooz” including folks like RM, KO, Jon Stewart, etc.
Now THAT sounds like a bumper sticker I can believe in!
Thanks Jane…right on target and righteous!
Dear FDL pups with each and every passing moment, hour, day, this cast of characters led by HopeyChangey cast their cards on the table with such deliberateness and sick vigor, that one would have to be completely blind not to recognize that the only thing they are truly obsessed about is the big WIN! No matter what it takes, no matter how degenerate and immoral in playing the game, and no matter who attempts to get in their way.
As per so many comments here and elsewhere, the anticipated glory of it all will be that the huge truck full of FU’s that are coming their way in November, is not on their radar…and if it is, and they are simply unafraid, then that simply adds more credence and validity to the fact that the fix is in and nothing really matters compared to the big WIN! …and more frightening is the prospect of the RepubReich taking control again… Looks like LOSE/LOSE to Amerika, regardless.
Even if I vote in protest with a write-in, will it really matter? Answer this please?
Thank you Jane, you summed up my emotions exactly! It’s not the end result that’s the problem, we on the left understand policy and policy making. It’s the fact this president opted for capituation instead of an all out fight. He caved in too many instances and opted to follow too many of Bush’s policies. As you said, if this man would’ve fought and gave his base something to hold on to for the next election, we would be with him 100%. As it is, he throws us under the bus and then expects us to be ok with it. That’s not good enough.
This country has been heading in the wrong direction since the Reagan revolution. What we need is a “strong” progressive president to carry the mantle for progressivism and liberalism. If we are to turn this country around and head in a completely different direction, it can’t be by coddling the interests who’ve destroyed the middle class and the constitution. It can’t be by taking baby steps, afraid of angering the interests who clearly have no interest in a change in direction. What Obama needs is the guts of FDR and JFK when they made speeches taking on their detractors and making a full throated defense of liberalism. Cowardice and capitulation doesn’t make for a strong leader. Attacking the people who worked to get you elected to office is just plain STUPID!
They divide the electorate to facilitate conquering it, lest we the lowly realize our common interests and throw all the bums out.
They might suck at good government but they are masters at protecting their turf.
Boy, has Verizon and Google already ended net neutrality???
Man FDL is loading slower today than it ever has for me.
Could not agree with you more. Some got mad at Jane, who at one point suggested attempting to work more with the Tea Party bc we do have more in common with them than meets the eye. Some decried Jane for doing this. Not so me; I “get” (I think) what she wanted to do. We can quibble about the means.
At this point in time, I would say it’s fairly hopeless to consider trying to work with Tea Party bc they’ve been co-opted and astro-turfed by their corporate backers.
That said, it’s too bad bc almost everything is a set up to divide and pit the “small” people against one another… as is evidenced by the current rant against the so-called neoliberal nanny state and the prefidy of public sector employees, like the police, having the nerve to get pensions.
guh
the lesser of two evils is still evil
(Sorry for losing the quote . . . still sounds like a great bumper sticker or a 3rd party campaign slogan.)
When a comment thread gets above 200 reloading becomes noticeably slower. May have less to do with the innertoobz than with our CPUs and browsers.
LOL
Yep, I was just about to edit my comment RF!!
I got out of this thread and then it was like old times again.
Sorry for the misplaced conspiracy theory folks. NN ain’t dead yet. I hope.
People characterized Jane having signed a letter with Grover as if it constituted a total merger. We should be able to link with anybody, even the “Tea Party” on a single point of mutual agreement. Unfortunately, since the HCR debacle revealed that there are a lot more Dem partisans than actual progressives, doing so will inevitably incite a lot of vitriol.
Great post, Jane!
No money from me to any candidates this year. Besides money just being too tight, there isn’t anyone I’d want to donate to. I’m fed up with being lied to during rousing and supposedly inspiring campaign speeches.
I am volunteering, though, for the Democratic candidate trying to win Joe Sestak’s seat. I figured that was the least I could do. The last thing we need there is another GOP career politician. And this candidate seems like a decent enough guy. Haven’t seen any arrogance yet.
Will we ever know about 9/11′s aftermath? All we know for sure is what we could see with our own eyes, which everyone could see.
As time passes, it seems more and more that the attack was a proof-of-concept threat with demands attached to it. No more attacks like that if the US removes its porkeating military presence from Saudi Arabia. Check. Removes that secular bastard from Iraq. Check. Lets Bin Laden remain at liberty. Check.
I know I can’t convince you because I agree with you. On the other hand, there is a difference between the Congress and its sense of itself, and the Administration’s sense of itself. Also, there are large differences between the House’s sense of what matters and the Senate’s.
They each have a different playbook but they move the ball in the same direction. Also, every play appears to involve trampling the interests of average Americans.
Well, Obama’s rise was meteoric; he must have believed in his blessedness. All those young people who never had anything like The Beatles now had their own. The Beatles had a lot to live up to, a lot to ‘prove’. They worked hard and were given the opportunity – with unspeakable money and carte blanche – to grow, develop, and hone their art.
Obama got no and gets no such opportunity, plus he’s not a very good politician with any constituency simply because he lacks the experience only time can provide. He never had the opportunity to develop long-standing political ties, loyalties, and friendships. He’s a nobody in office. His being a nobody as a campaigner is what attracted his followers.
It was only John Edwards whose last-ditch stump speeches unmasked the corporate ownership of politics. Great stuff, but who cared? He came in third in his home state.
One minute Obama is marginalized and has no power, and then the next he has all the power in the world. I don’t get it. Your argument depends on the premise that he is actually a progressive. He’s clearly not. He’s done things that he didn’t even have to do, but took the initiative all by himself, i.e. unconstitutional assassinations of US civilians, cracking down on whistle blowers, and expanding the war in Afghanistan. Those are three things that even Bush wouldn’t do.
Sorry, but I don’t agree that BHO lied to get the job.
The “job” as it turns out is for suckers. The Corporate machine is too powerful. All are powerless in its presence.
Even the very best intentions (including HOPE and CHANGE)supported by millions are no match for this monster. It’s like believing that raindrops falling on red hot asphalt pavement at 3 PM on an August day in Laughlin Nevada will actually freshen things up a bit.
Remember the Bill Hicks version? As soon as a new POTUS is inaugurated, and before he has the reception and the luncheon and all, he’s taken to a room and seated before a video screen, with only the Joint Chiefs of Staff also present. He’s shown a video of the JFK assassination from many different cameras, none of which has ever been seen or even known about. The video stops. The lights come on, and the Chairman asks, “Any questions, Mister President?”
Reading everything off telepromters that are designed to be invisible is a form of deception. Probably his threshold for ‘lies’ and yours are miles apart.
He knew about the Corporate Machine long before he was elected, before he was even a viable candidate. No one too naive to know the extent of corporate influence on our government could ever become a contender.
I won’t say Obama lied to get the job, there might simply have been a mix-up at the printer. Perhaps the campaign banners were supposed to read, “No Hope Or Change We Can Believe In.”
Man, we could use The Beatles, CSN&Y, Joni, Joan, Neil and friends right now.
Guess we were foolish to HOPE and to BELIEVE that an outsider just might be able to pull it off!
After all we went through on the GW front, our little hippie heads and hearts were mush.
Hey – Just say NOW y’all!
Joni. Omi. In 1971 she wrote “It was just a dream some of us had”. And Richard? He got married to a figure skater
and he bought her a dishwasher and a coffee percolator and he drinks at home now most nights with the TV on
and all the house lights left up bright.
Camus warned about ‘hope’, telling us it was the worst of all the evils that escaped from Pandora’s box.
The Beatles? Forever. Louis Armstrong also forever. These days I’m listening closely to Melody Gardot…
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then oh why can’t I?
WooHoo! We’ve gone from “Dirty F-ing Hippies” to “Professional Left.” Who knew it could be done so fast? Being a hippie, living in daddy’s basement — to being a working professional — in just 2 years! No wonder Gibbs isn’t sympathetic for the un-/under-employed. Silly rabbits! You can get educated and have years of job experience in just 2 short years!
Excellent article. I agree 1000% with your last paragraph. That’s the point that I can’t get over.
If I felt like the Dems/Obama were giving it all they had, using the bully pulpit to make their case for structural, real change, fighting it out in front of the cameras and on webistes….and making it clear where they stood. If they then lost because of GOP/ConservaDem opposition it would suck, but I wouldn’t hate them. As it stands currently, I think that the GOP/ConservaDem opposition is used as an excuse to not do the hard work of pushing through good legislation, and BTW it also keep Corp America happy…..which is their real constiutents…NOT us.
The Republicans in the Senate will not permit any legislation to pass. That’s an extreme statement and the fact of the matter. It’s their strategy. For a while, it was assumed it was all bluff and jockeying for some crumbs. So, Obama sincerely tried the ‘bipartisan’ reach around. The Senate Republicans are recalcitrant. There isn’t anything anyone can do about it.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/09/100809fa_fact_packer
Sure the Democrats can do something
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there are two ways to hold up legislation in the Senate; one is the filibuster and the other is a hold. Both of which are only Senate rules (not law) which can be voted down by simple majority before the beginning of every Congress or by simply using the Nuclear Option to remove these impediments. And if the Republicans complain about the Nuclear Option, you can just throw their own arguments back in their face
pdf – http://rpc.senate.gov/public/_files/Apr2505ConstOptSD.pdf
a thousand times no. We will never field enough ‘progressives’ in either chamber to effect a difference. What kinda signs do we need so we all will realize this. I am sorry if you have vested a lot of time, money and effort (as many of us have) in an effort the save the democrats (from themselves)but we will NEVER have a voice in DC by playing the within the game they construct. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
I agree 100%
The New Yorker piece covers those two methods of changing the game. According to Senators who were interviewed, and the Senate historian, the game won’t be changed. Senator Udall says the Senate can change its rules when the new session starts, and he intends to propose such an action when that time comes. He’s been told by another Senator that if he wants to belong to a parliamentary body, he should have run for the House. And, What’s he doing in the Senate if he wants the House’s procedures? Good article, you should check it out.
This unserious hippie is with Jane.
I’d really like some more data on this.
A couple of weeks ago I had dinner with some friends in LA. We’d all been Obama supporters, and groused about his failures. Their 23 year old daughter piped up with every cliche uttered at Kos and the DNC: can’t be impatient; you expect too much too fast; Obama would be assassinated if he tried to do more; yada yada.
I was wondering how representative of the “idealistic young voters” she was. My 22 year old son, present at the same discussion, says she’s not.
But I wonder.
I hope, Kelly, I hope!
My 23 year old daughter and her boyfriend couldn’t believe I towed the Obama line for as long as I did. They were gone at the “Nobel Peace Prize.” She told me their friends are talking about if it is true or not that someone could get dental care by committing a small crime and going to jail. Obama should be very proud.
Thanks for the link.
Unless I missed it not one person has been held accoountable for any of the false pre war intelligence crammed down the throats of the American public before the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. Has someone been held accountable for those Niger Document or the rest of that “pac of lies”
I know it is no big deal to most of the folks in D.C. that close to a million people are dead, injured, millions displaced as a direct result of that invasion.
we have yet to witness any accountability in regard to rewriting torture laws, torture, Libby is the only one who took even the slightest hit for outing Plame. And we are all expected to be so thrilled with all of this moving forward over the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi bodies.
Very well said, although you sound like one of those reality-based people to me :)
I just wanted to add that if the Obama White House thinks it’s a good strategy to have taken our votes, our money and our volunteer efforts and then spit in our faces, why then that’s what they should continue to do. Let’s see where it gets them.
Coming back at us saying “look at the alternative” The idea that this may be as good as it gets. I think their theme will be “give us more time” Look at what we have done.
Just think this endlessly repeated thems of “move forward” rings hollow when we are rolling over all of those dead, injured, tortured bodies with little to no accountability. Down deep Americans know this even if they are not able to articulate this. Anyone with a conscience knows this.
I just do not think the troops will be easily rallied the next time around without accountability for some of the crimes committed during the Bush administration
” thus rendering the “rule of law” meaningless”
I attended the Eric Holder nomination hearings. “no one is above the law” was repeated so many times by Holder, Leahy, Feinstein, Whitehouse I lost count. Holder said it at least 15 times. How many times has Obama said it? It’s one of those mantras that they repeat so the peasants will believe. But they don’t. A completely different set of rules for the crimes committed during the Bush admininstration some of those crimes continuing to be committed by the Obama administration.
The rest of the world knows and even the peasants in this country are starting to really get it. No one is above the law. Complete hooey