But, but, but, he wrote a great speech against it before he was a Senator.

Yep. It’s the same as being shown and paying for a Mercedes and getting a Yugo delivered to you and then being told “it’s the same thing, really”.

He spoke against war before he spoke on behalf of war.

Ouch, is that your palmprint I see on his cheek?

Really, Gibbs just set his boss up for this.

I was hoping someone would start doing this.

thanks.

I was just over at the daily kos and apparently all of you people need to stop criticizing Obama because he’s had some progressive legislation, etc. Or maybe it’s you’re not allowed to criticize Obama unless you first congratulate him for all that he’s done for you. One of the two.

We elected Barack Obama we thought a “man of the people.” But as we’ve all come to realize here, that was just the election version. In a classic example of bait and switch marketing , once we got the product home and opened it up in reality it wasn’t at all what we thought we’d bought. Of course the BIG Corps. that sold us the Barack Obama President action figure have all said, had we read the fine print we’d have seen that they’d never really misrepresented him after all. That in fact he was a CORPoratist stooge all along and we’d just deluded ourselves to think other wise. In other words, we had no one to blame for our disappointment but ourselves. Actually, I hate to say it but there is some truth to this. Barack was just another clever scam sold to us by the same people who sold millions of us those funny mortgages that have exploded in our faces or the other cleverly constructed investment “instruments” that have enriched a few and destroyed the economy. You can bet that the Lords of Wall st. and of the MIC and the OILY realms are all having a great big laugh @ how Barry has turned out for them. Just when we all thought we had these people on the run , they sell us the ultimate hedge the Barack Obama action doll and we buy sight unseen. All they need do is pull his string and the BS flows forth and we all believe and many still WANT to believe. So, now were the ingrates and the whiners you see drug addled hippies who just don’t GET it! This is how it is and we’d had better STFU and go along with the program or these same people will replace Barry with something far less palatable. The Sarah ” Mama Grizzly” action figure, that eats Liberals for breakfast.

They can find the answer in the gap between what he sold himself as during the campaign, and the policies he has affirmatively pursued as President.

Definitely! He doesn’t need any Republican Senators to not put a man who was captured and tortured as a child on trial for “terrorism”, he doesn’t need to persuade anybody to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, he doesn’t need to convince the DC establishment to allow him to support full equality, he doesn’t have to have the Democratic Party behind him to stop capitulating to Republican whims like he’s ever going to pick up even one Republican vote…. We got sold a bill of goods but then we got something else entirely and neither Rahm’s nor Gibb’s scorn for Liberals is going to change that.

I’m tellin ya gal, we should have locked up that Jane Hamsher VooDoo Doll – DC franchise years ago – we’d be rollin in the dough

Greg Sargent posts the following claim from Dem firm Public Policy Polling.

On the national poll we’ll release this week 85% of liberals approve of the job Obama is doing to 12% disapproving. 88% support his health care plan looking back with only 7% opposed.

Evidently Greg buys into the assumption that Obama supporters (aka Dem partisans) are by definition “liberal.” As my dear grandfather might have said, he isn’t smart enough to pour piss out of a boot.

Not everyone here went to the Markos’ Netroots Nation Convention. They missed the talking point memos.

just saw on twitter – KO is rolling out a Gibbs ‘Special Comment’ tonight. yeah, I know he does it for ratings, but it’ll make the fierce pragmatists cry so good on him

per the idjit reporter from The Hill, they all went just to “grouse”

Maybe it’ll make Markos finally stop whining about being banned from MSNBC.

A week after the March 20th antiwar march in D.C. President Obama went to Afghanistan to reassure his ‘partners’ there that the war was still on. A week after the release of damning documents from Wikileaks showing the failure of coalition soldiers to protect civilians and demonstrating the weak alliances and corruption in the Afghanistan government, President Obama dismissed the news as old hat and not meaningful. And he lets his Secretary of Defense bully the messenger, arrest the whistleblower, and blow life into the 1917 Espionage Act. But President Obama’s spokesperson equates my interest in ending the wars with putting the Pentagon out of business? Desperate man, that Obama.

Do you mean they have moved from the veal pen to the chicken coop? lol

But, but, but, he wrote a great speech against it before he was a Senator bought and paid for.

Fixed it for ya.

You mean his underpants might have time to dry? I’m betting there’s another pissy fit right around the corner.

I’m betting there’s another pissy fit right around the corner.

Do they ever end?

Hey, he payed for his jobs. Give the man some slack.

I remember Obama talking tough very early on, saying he wouldn’t rule out a pre-emptive strike against Pakistan. It wasn’t ‘campaign rhetoric’, it wasn’t in his stump speeches; but it was the sober statement of a Democratic candidate who wanted to be taken seriously as not being ‘WEAK ON DEFENSE’.

As my dear grandfather might have said, he isn’t smart enough to pour piss out of a boot [with instructions printed on the heel].

My dear grandpappy always included that last little bit in the blocks too!

Don’t you mean Iran?

This is your brain.
This is your brain on pundits.

Any questions?

Qui, moi? No, I mean Pakistan.

In fairness, I suppose I don’t veally know what Greg Sargent thinks.

I recall that as well. think it was soon after he secured the delegate count – it was around the time of the Georgia invasion

Okay, I take neither Obama. Even the one in 07 is seen to be carefully choosing his words so that he is critical of how the war is being conducted but supportive of our right to occupy the planet anywhere and at any time we choose.

The man is pathetic.

Yeah Greg Sargent is just like Josh Marshall. Both of them think that a person like Lanny Davis is interchangeable with one like Glenn Greenwald. Democratic voter always equals “liberal” to them.

The Obamabots will easily disregard this by saying:

But, but, but in 2007 he was talking about Iraq!! The more recent quotes were about Afghanistan! They are soooooooooooooooooo different!!!

The next time I see someone come here and call FDL just another Lefty Blog that supports or defends the President, may I refer them to this thread?

Four Essential Missions

HOMELAND DEFENSE. America must defend its homeland. During the Cold War, nuclear deterrence was the key element in homeland defense; it remains essential. But the new century has brought with it new challenges. While reconfiguring its nuclear force, the United States also must counteract the effects of the proliferation of ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction that may soon allow lesser states to deter U.S. military action by threatening U.S. allies and the American homeland itself. Of all the new and current missions for U.S. armed forces, this must have priority.

LARGE WARS. Second, the United States must retain sufficient forces able to rapidly deploy and win multiple simultaneous large-scale wars and also to be able to respond to unanticipated contingencies in regions where it does not maintain forward-based forces. This resembles the “two-war” standard that has been the basis of U.S. force planning over the past decade. Yet this standard needs to be updated to account for new realities and potential new conflicts.

CONSTABULARY DUTIES. Third, the Pentagon must retain forces to preserve the
current peace in ways that fall short of conduction major theater campaigns. A decade’s experience and the policies of two administrations have shown that such forces must be expanded to meet the needs of the new, long-term NATO mission in the Balkans, the continuing no-fly-zone and other missions in Southwest Asia, and other presence missions in vital regions of East Asia. These duties are today’s most frequent missions, requiring forces configured for combat but capable of long-term, independent constabulary operations.

TRANSFORM U.S. ARMED FORCES. Finally, the Pentagon must begin now to exploit the so called “revolution in military affairs,” sparked by the introduction of advanced technologies into military systems; this must be regarded as a separate and critical mission worthy of a share of force structure and defense budgets.

Rebuilding America’s Defenses, Chap 2

Written in 1997 it’s still the agenda of the US government. Endless war.

Actually, this one might be an even better one to refer them to. If you want.

My blog – right or wrong – it’s my blog. Blog free or die. Don’t thread on me.

The HuffPo video isn’t without pity. “War is always tough,” President Obama says. Like us, he once had the luxury of pointing out the absurdities:

“It seems as if a solution to the problem is always six months away… we continually say that we’ve got assurances that it is going to be different this time.”

Now, as Commander in Chief (of the military only, not the rest of us!) he is stuck with the responsibility of finding a way out of Afghanistan that doesn’t set us up for more foreign policy catastrophes.

That said, the doubling of troop deployments and the announcement of a counterinsurgency strategy just seems strategically brain dead. Now he’s compounded the fiasco.

And don’t forget this accountability moment by The Daily Show:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah

- Tom

You know what else is pissing me off about this “expectation gap” thing is that we’re supposed to be grateful for what he wave gotten.

That’s really grist for an episode of Sam Seder’s “That’s Bullshit.”

Like most here, I had my doubts about Campaign BHO, but with some misgivings, I donated some money and voted for him. Now that I try to hold BHO’s feet to the fire, I’m arrogantly dissed and abused by this corporate hack, who I hired to do this job (yeah, yeah: I know. that’s a joke; whatever).

OTOH, it’s unsurprising. OTOH, I’m still gobsmacked that BHO – via his mouthpiece Gibbs – feels arrogant enough to play smack down this way. Guess BHO’s showing us who’s the boss. Us dfh’s sure aren’t the boss; the banksters & Wall St & the MIC are the boss.

Cold comfort: knowing that we “got” to them enough to smack us down. Still finding that, uh, ‘interesting.’

I find myself rooting for the Darth Vader doll now…

http://gizmodo.com/5136576/best-obama-action-figure-ever-battles-darth-vader-terrorists-dick-cheney

the lesser of two evils is still evil

Can you say big, fat, lying hypocrite?

All the good stuff that “Obama did” occurred thanks to huge D majorities in Congress. It would have happened if Joe Biden or eeeevil Hillary were President.

If good things happen, it is solely due to the greatness of the best President since FDR. If bad things happen, (or good things fail to happen) then the Pwesident is just soooo weak. 60 votes, Fox news, etc.

*heh* From Kos,himself…

…So when the various pieces of legislation have passed, whether its the health care or financial reform laws or whatever, the sense hasn’t been jubilation, but relief…

…Much of this stuff is definitely “first step” kind of stuff. Nothing here is to suggest surrender or dismissal for whatever accomplishments have been made. But we were asked to hope, and we did, and our broken legislative system (like the Senate filibuster) made cynics of too many people, too quickly.

*gah*

Btw, when I was blogging at M&C, I know I’d posted that Cspan clip of Sen. Obama a few times… In arguing, why I liked Obama over Hillary…! ;-)

I wonder if KO took offense at the ‘Professional Left’ slur…! ;-)

Do you suppose that Gibbs will be watching…? ;-)

*oof* KO came out swinging for the fences…!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJPwM8nehkQ

I couldn’t find just the audio.(being lazy ;p)

Eli is upstairs!
Looking For A Bipartisan Campaign Issue?

Oh, so that’s where the nimrods who posted in the comments on Jane’s last article are getting their talking points.

Also the 23 year olds who are spouting the “poor, poor Obama” meme.

Do you think Marcos self-identifies as a “professional liberal”?

Heck, I’d think he’d be on Gibb’s side!

The lesser of two evils is probably just staying home in November. I don’t think I can stomach voting for another lyin’ SOB.

In your remarks I am sensing that you are not happy with the numerous crumbs which were swept from the table in your general direction which you could have used to your advantage if you were not lazy and not just looking for a free ride.

Got it, you f’ing retard.

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and help get your next generation ready to go be killed or maimed in a senseless war and some of the insults directed at you may be softened. Also, do more to get by with less cause that’s all your getting.

The definition of a TWO FACED BASTARD.

/s

There, I closed your open snark tag.

You’re welcome.

Thank you. I don’t know that convention but I appreciate any help I can get. I also don’t know how to do the quote inset.

Clearly, the bubble that takes over whichever POTUS is inhabiting the Oval Office… is the “Commander-in-Chief” bubble.

It’s always more of the same-old, same-old.

The Pentagon never has to have a bake sale because their budget is in the billions (or maybe more?), but schools must fire or lay off hundreds of thousands of teachers and millions of children and women with small children must go hungry.

And millions more must manage to get along without health care because the gatekeepers are greedy corporate entities.

I’ve come to wonder if the ex-military Markos Moulitsas was all this time just running a psy-ops on the left. Was he funded to establish that operation so that when a useful pupper like Obama was slipped into the house, his operation could run interference to cover him? Is that his role in life? Was he just a psy-ops guy all along?

I think so. Kos is about making sure that when Democrats pave the way for Republican victories, none of the “Fucking Retards” gets to complain about it. That is Markos’ mission.