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Last week, Mexico’s President Calderon called on President Obama to join the debate on legalizing marijuana. The US drug policy has lined the pockets of the drug cartels with billions of dollars, and they are threatening to destabilize not only Mexico but countries across Latin America.
In many regions, the drug gangs are seeking to replace the government, imposing their own taxes in towns they dominate.
Three former Latin American presidents — Cesar Gaviria of Colombia, Ernesto Zedillo of Mexico and Fernando Cardoso of Brazil — wrote an oped in the Wall Street Journal, urging the legalization of marijuana as a way to undermine a major source of income for cartels.
Recently, the U.S. Joint Forces Command warned that the Mexican government could experience “a rapid and sudden collapse” due to drug cartel violence. And the outgoing head of the CIA, Gen. Michael Hayden, warned that drug cartels “threaten … the well-being of the Mexican people and the Mexican state.”
The problem is so bad that following President Calderon’s statement, two Mexican cardinals have endorsed his call to open a debate on the merits of legalization.
There have been 28,000 people killed since 2006 in the war with the drug cartels, including 1200 in July – the deadliest month yet. The recent shooting in Arizona that triggered the debate between right and left over immigration was the result of marijuana smuggling, not people trying to get over the border to find jobs. It’s insane that the conversation instantly devolved into a right-left battle over immigration. The Arizona law does nothing to address the underlying problem.
Yesterday the Guardian had a piece on the push to end prohibition, including the Just Say Now campaign we launched last week. Further, the Guardian editorial board called on David Cameron and Nick Clegg to “launch a national debate on whether we should try legalisation,” and to “tear up the current policy. It has failed.” “That debate must be opened in Britain and the recent change of government provides a rare opportunity,” they say.
But as Peter Guither notes, although there is strong interest in the issue among both progressive and conservative voters, leadership on both sides of the aisle have been unwilling to address it. Most are terrified of walking into a meat grinder of social taboos left over from the culture wars, and they won’t brave it until the public demands it.
That’s why we launched the Just Say Now campaign. Over 30,000 people have already signed the petition to President Obama, saying it’s time to end the war on marijuana. America’s prison population has quadrupled since 1984 when Nancy Reagan’s war on drugs began, and the private prison system exploded.
Last fall, Eric Holder issued a directive that the DEA should respect state medical marijuana laws. But as Jacob Sullum notes, that directive had a lot of wiggle room and as a result the DEA’s raids on medical marijuana suppliers continue.
Please show your support and sign the petition asking President Obama to end the war on marijuana.




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Thanks, Jane, for your work on this. Since Americans appear to be the primary consumers, we have, I think, an obligation to help Mexico stop the killing. We have such cowardly politicians, I won’t hold my breath.
Already done Jane. :)
Do you believe a fortuitous side effect of legalizing marijuana could be some relief of the demonization and scapegoating of Mexican immigrants?
While one can argue that the WOD created the environment that produced the illegal drug cartels; What evidence is there that the violent criminals who man the drug cartels will stop being violent criminals if commerce and use of marijuana is legalized in the US?
Powerful post, Jane. God, this shit is eating us alive!
Btw am eagerly awaiting the mailman bringing my Just Say Now t-shirt ..
I absolutely do believe it’s critical to start talking about the real problem at the border, in order to stop the scapegoating of immigrants.
The idea that people coming across the border to find low jobs is what’s causing the violence is ludicrous.
Tshirts will be there soon!
They’re great: http://firedoglake.com/justsaynow/store/
I think you’re drawing the wrong conclusions here. No, legalizing marijuana is certainly not going to make the drug cartels less violent or make the right wing stop scapegoating people but as marijuana is estimated to be 60% of their income, it will make them less profitable and therefore less of a presence. Marijuana laws are FUNDING those violent crimes. We can debate the dangers of heroin or cocaine but no sane person would say that marijuana poses any dangers to the user that aren’t artificially manufactured by the fact that it is illegal. Certainly it’s not as “dangerous” as beer and it doesn’t come close to hard alcohol. People are going to smoke pot. Period. Why should that money go to supporting a bunch of thugs instead if assisting our economy?
No doubt about it. I would like to see FDL focus a bit more coverage on the cartel wars. Very nasty stuff in a whole lot of different ways. Charles Bowden might be a good guest to invite in.
WooHoo! Glad to see you’re using union made products instead of overseas sweatshop products Jane. You rock. :)
I continue to struggle with the impulse to support legalization of MJ while having misgivings about all of the promised advantages coming to fruition. In addition to the tendency of criminals to remain criminals even when the focus of their activities becomes legal, there is the problem of a plethora of trigger happy DEA agents that will need other focuses, perhaps transferring into intelligence and surveillance?
I have said that I had no problem with informed adults doing whatever to their bodies they want however I become reminded of the tobacco cartels that flourished so long while depriving consumers of adequate information as to the dangers of smoking through lies and obfuscation and enabled by corporate payoffs to politicians.
Perhaps a drive to legalization of MJ that includes a FDA oversight from the beginning would encourage those such as me to be more supportive.of the initiative.
Would that obligation include stop being the primary consumers?
Asking the government to make it legal might change the cost structure, and make the cartels less profitable, but on an individual basis, everyone could stop putting their money where their mouth is (sorry pun intended).
Many of those same arguments were made before prohibition ended and largely proved groundless.
If people choose to use MJ it’s not my business. I don’t fear it at all. All my kids smoked it and my 15 year granddaughter has tried it. None of them have turned into “Reefer Madness.” It has been my experience though that when you take the profit out of something, usually the problem goes away. The members of the drug cartels will probably continue to be criminals but would have their main profit removed.
That’s sad, it seems os avoidable.
Yeah! Because abstinence strategies worked so well with alcohol and teen sex and overeating, etc.
The Delicious mints in a metallic tin looks kewl. Can it double as a “cigarette” holder?
Did you read Twains comment at #1
I guess you think there’s no personal obligation there.
I believe that it could.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sectionfronts/politics/index.html?nid=top_politics
quick
over to the WAPO politics page (above) where they illustrate a story about Rangel with a pic and headline about Waters.
Those black pols, they all look the same to us.
Mod Note; to add even more off topic detail, it looks like they’ve already changed that page and the Waters story is now here.
while i am 1000% in favor of complete decriminalization and support the spread of MJ as both a recreational and medical plant product, i am not so sure focusing on the mexican wars is a good strategic place for JSN. if MJ were made totally legal tomorrow, a couple things would happen. one of them would be an intensification of the conflict down there. i really believe that, because any time you totally rearrange market realities, chaos ensues among those who were using for the former model. i can see some of the cartels trying to branch off into becoming legit providers and taking advantage of a new market “the old fashioned” way, and other groups using gang warfare to prevent them from succeeding. the people in these cartels aren’t going to suddenly become docile as nuns because they can now sell 60% of their products legally in the US.
But there’s nothing wrong with using marijuana, it’s the illegality that makes it dangerous and pricey.
So why should people stop now?
Though the price to nation, community and family of alcohol abuse and addiction too great to measure continues, I agree with your observation that people are going to smoke dope just as they are determined to continue to drink alcohol and prohibitive laws are impractical and often destructive.
It seems alcohol laws are now relatively realistic. I would like to see a commitment to effective laws to assure adequate regulation of access and accurate information being available to the public.
do you know much about where MJ comes from? i do, at least in the case of what is used by people in my circles. it’s organically grown, locally produced, and comes from a group of people very involved in the political and medical angles of MJ normalization. no one i know smokes poison-filled crap weed imported by gangs and hauled here from long distances.
I agree with your first sentence. I’m glad that I don’t know of anyone in my family that smokes, especially minors. But that’s primarily from a financial concern. Last weeks stat said the average smoker spends almost $8000 per year. We don’t have that kind of extra cash lying around.
I didn’t even imply that as you well know. I don’t always agree with you but you’re not stupid so your attempt at deliberately misconstruing my remarks is all the more shameful.
People are going to smoke pot. Period. Abstinence doesn’t work. Period. If my cat crapped gold, I wouldn’t have to be trying to make it on 300 bucks a week.
There is nothing in either of my comments renouncing responsibility or personal obligation.
And I would support, even demand that.
Young people are going to try it no matter what we do. I would much rather my granddaughter smoke pot than drink. That really scares me. I am 76 years old and have lots of pain. If it becomes legal you can bet you life that I am going to at least try it so that I can be more comfortable. Hope it works.
You’re quite right, Margaret. Legalizing marijuana will cut into cartel profits somewhat, but will not make the well-armed cartels less violent. They are certainly not going to go away and will continue to prey on the Mexican people in whatever way they can. Unfortunately, the extreme poverty in Mexico works in the interests of the Mexican and US upper classes, which can draw on cheap labor on both sides of the border. The problem is not, and never has been narcotics or illegal immigration. The problem is the terrible, grinding poverty afflicting so many of the people of the Mexico – which has only grown worse since NAFTA.
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post available: Undocumented Students Not Being Deported
It seems recent that (1) the term ‘drug cartels’ applies to marijuana trafficking, and (2) so much violence and murder is associated with marijuana. US users have been using pot from Mexico more than from anywhere else, always. Isn’t that so? Why is this mayhem happening now? It didn’t happen a few years ago or for decades.
(I signed and I’m not high.)
If I had some pot to smoke right about now, I betcha I wouldn’t be so depressed. I have to make lists and force myself to do everything. I’d rather do it willingly and have some fun doing it.
Big sigh.
Simple. If you take the profit out of the picture by legalizing, those guys will have to find a job or find another product. To prevent this, all drugs should be legal. Wherever drugs have been legalized the use has gone down.
A common practice in corrupt and impoverished countries the criminal element turns to kidnapping and piracy.
It’s not a criminal activity.
The barons have enough money to challenge the king (the central government), because the king is challenging them (trying to prevent their behavior).
The Barons, the Drug Lords, are demonstrating that making a profitable activity illegal does not prevent the profitable activity; it just changes the activity’s risk/reward ratio. Profit seeking knows no boundaries, nor obeys laws.
It’s a civil war. A challenge to who will run the state.
The drug lords are the best, most successful entrepreneurs in Mexico and have build a multi-billion dollar business meeting customer demand.
This is a fight between those who have made their money, the current establishment, and those who are now making their money.
Both side will have to come to a compromise, as neither will win this civil war.
Should the “Just Say Now” campaign succeed, the drug lords will re-brand themselves as legitimate businessmen, and then enter the new legitimate business.
It’s just business. Illegal or not.
What other laws do we have that make behavior criminal, cause us problems, and not eliminate the behavior. Prostitution is one. Others?
Don’t be silly. It is a human need to alter their consciousness. Kids, when they learn to walk alter their consciousness by spinning in a circle to get dizzy. That is altering their consciousness. Throughout history people have used drugs to see things they do not normally see and many through that mechanism have brought new things and ideas to the world.
All drugs should be legal and taxed.
Hey Jane, thx for the work on this issue.
However, the “War on Drugs” was initiated by Richard Nixon, in 1969, and was established as a policy during his term. As a boomer, I was in my early 20s and involved in the first initiative in Oregon, in the early 70s (during Nixon’s term), to decriminalize simple possession of marijuana. Though that initiative failed, it goaded the legislature to enact a similar statute, making Oregon the first state to do so. Oregon was also one of the first to legalize medical marijuana, and we have an initiative on the current ballot to allow dispensaries.
Clearly, prohibition has NEVER worked, costing many folks ruined lives through criminal prosecution and incarceration, and both the federal govt and state govts billions of dollars to support these policies. At least you’ve opened the box on the conversation that needs to occur around the issue.
Not entirely. They also run banks and then buy or overthrow the Government. Looking for an example…where?
You make my point but much more clearly. The main difference between drug cartels and legal businesses is there is less restriction on the use of violence. Otherwise I see little difference between them and the legal purveyors of tobacco in the US until the past few years.
Try as I might, I cannot find a hole in your post, bravo.
Yes.
There is also the aspect that these countries who produce marijuana and other illegal drugs conduct their own wars on the producers and purveyors primarily because of the heavy hand of the US government demanding it.
Another big benefit of legalizing drugs is the reduction of prisoners in prisons. We can close some prisons and fire some “jails for profits” companies. We have like 5% of the population of the world and 25% of all the prisoners. That is a crime.
This is Mexico being discussed. You can walk there from here. (It used to include California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.) Last time I looked, Mexico was our third-most provider of imported crude oil (Canada is first-most). Last time I looked, Mexico’s farmers were trying to refuse to accept the US-patented GMO corn seed, asserting their rights not to have their ancient crop base destroyed forever. Last I noticed, the US began to reinforce the borders with National Guard troops. What happens if shooting starts? This is not a prelude to a kiss.
Hey Man! We could march right in and win their hearts and minds over thee cups of Tequila.
“… they are threatening to destabilize not only Mexico ….”
I don’t know anyone anywhere who believes Mexico is “stable” now.
Operation Intercept, summer of ’69. Nixon closed the Mexican border, no marijuana came across. Heroin use and addiction exploded. Cut to: SE Asia, opium flown out by CIA, processed into heroin by French refiners on ships.
Where I live, I can walk to James K. Polk’s birthplace.
If we legalized it here we wouldn’t have to buy it from the Mexicans because so many Americans would immediately start growing it here. Most of us either smoke it or are intelligent enough to realize the vast profits to be made from the plant, and since our country is all about getting the green (pun intended) what makes you think we’d rather buy from another country anyway? Let alone known Mexican criminals.
If you really have an issue against MJ you should read The Laguardia Committee Report. It was a study done by the mayor of New York in the 40′s and showed that nearly everything bad that had been said about MJ was false, and that the majority of users were African-Americans and Latinos. The southwestern states pushed for a federal law banning the plant, so they could legally kick out the (non-criminal) Mexicans. Now they ARE criminals and they have resulted to mass violence 60+ years later. We made them criminals and we can just as easily at least start to revert them back to non-violent producers of our favorite crop.
Jane,
Four things that are far more important for the survival of America than legalizing marijuana:
1. Bringing about a peace dividend through ending Obama’s senseless wars around the world (Afghan, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, etc.) and forging a sane and rational national foreign policy.
2. Restoring American industrialization by ending so-called free trade agreements that makes the middle class and the working class poorer by the minute.
3. Restoring civil liberties to the American people by ending the idiotic lunacy called the war on terror, the Patriot Act, off-shore gulags, preventive detentions and enemy combatants, extraordinary rendention, and the like.
4. Dismantling the endless bank and wall street bailouts for financial elites who contribute nothing to the national economy…………
Jane, the liberal class and the old-style conservative class should be hard at work joining together in a coalition for the benefit of the
country by taking on these four issues…………What say you?
Yes. In this country everything seems to ultimately boil down to race and money.
In that case you can just hike over into the Smokies and get your own private supply of weed.
Incredible systematic corruption in Mexico. Only in the past few years has Mexico tried to break the cartels, before that the government turned a blind eye letting the cartels grow big and wealthy.
good source for articles by reporters in mexico concerning this and related subject is
http://www.narconews.com/
You might be surprised to know that many folks are capable of multi-tasking and dealing with more than one issue.
As well, you might be surprised to know that all of your issues have been addressed by jane and others at FDL many times over the last five or six years.
Signed up. Thanks for your efforts. It’s funny that the resistance on this comes from the same corporate war monger crowd. What? They think if people get stoned legally they won’t sign up to go kill brown people the same as if they got stoned illegally.
Wonder how much of the black op drug trade players are in the background of the resistance here as well and maybe even some drug money laundering banks. I don’t see the CIA supporting drug legalization of any sort due to possible revenue losses.
The strange thing is they can always get the dupes to take their side sort of like with Bush Tax Cuts in terms of dupe support. Maybe progressive causes should look at ways to detour along the low road and spend a little time duping the dupes for good cause.
This is why I think to have a political movement, party or group to become identified solely with the drug issue is to risk being trivialized. I think drug legalization really impaired the Libertarians being taken seriously for a number of years and they dropped it in recent years.
I do think highlighting the connections between the current criminalization and the corruption of governments and business will stress the issue’s hemispheric, if not global, importance and show it as an aspect of the problems you list. Addressing those from this different perspective could really be a winner.
Well, just one giant gaping hole.
Americans consume $113 billion worth of marijuana per year. Half of that comes from overseas.
Not only will the price go down if prohibition ends, but not being illegal any more, marijuana can be safely grown in the USA.
There are lots of criminals in the world. The problem with the Mexican drug lords is that they’re rich criminals. If the money stays in the US and does not go to overseas marijuana cultivation, they will have to find a new source of revenue, and ones worth $60 billion a year are hard to come by.
As always, well said Jane. It is just that kind of framing that IMHO will present it as the more substantial issue than it appears at first glance. .
I am not talking about one time forums for people to rant for a day or two and then it’s “case closed” and “time to move on”. I am talking about a long-term, sustained effort, built to last, and making it stick. If by your meaning of an issue being “addressed”, I don’t think that the abolitionists would have ever succeeded……….
And you obviously weren’t around here for all the posts that have been done over these five or six years on the topics you list.
It is more than just a “one or two day” thing
I have already posted sympathy with your concern re a movement that is unidimensional.
It takes a long time and I am still long away from understanding all the different folks and how they fit in this political mosaic.. With time you will see that most posters are serious and very bright and most are far from just single issue people.
I read somewhere(?) that when Calderon took over he refused to pay the hush money and petty bribes to the smaller cartels, reporters, and low level government employees that the former political party (PRI) was paying. It resulted in a vacuum and led to the larger more dangerous sinaloa cartel fight to take over the whole thing.
This may or may not be entirely accurate, but it did pick up decidedly when Fox lost the presidency.
Actually it was prohibitions that destroyed American civil liberties. First wiretap was about alcohol prohibition. Almost every case expanding the right of search and no knock warrants was drug cases. If you are unaware how drug law has destroyed your civil liberties it is time to get educated.
Its time to end this “war” on a provenly beneficial plant. Ending marijuana prohibition will be the first positive step in the right direction for America in a long time. It is time for our government officials to start working for the people again and not for their party. End this fight with this harmless plant and begin to fight for the people. Peace.
Jane, your petition calls for Uncle Sam to “drop its active opposition to marijuana legalization”. I hate to quote Dr. Phil but you’ve got to name it to claim it.
The Administration already has the unilateral authority to legalize marijuana at the federal level. As with alcohol, states would still be free to regulate marijuana as they wish.
The United States Code, under Section 811 of Title 21,[14] sets out a process by which cannabis could be administratively transferred to a less-restrictive category or removed from Controlled Substances Act regulation altogether. The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) evaluates petitions to reschedule cannabis. However, the Controlled Substances Act gives the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), as successor agency of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, great power over rescheduling decisions.
After the DEA accepts the filing of a petition, the agency must request from the HHS Secretary “a scientific and medical evaluation, and his recommendations, as to whether such drug or other substance should be so controlled or removed as a controlled substance.” The Secretary’s findings on scientific and medical issues are binding on the DEA. The HHS Secretary can even unilaterally legalize cannabis: “[I]f the Secretary recommends that a drug or other substance not be controlled, the Attorney General shall not control the drug or other substance.” 21 U.S.C. § 811b.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_cannabis_from_Schedule_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act
There is a grammatical error in the petition–”police officers lives’ are put in risk” should read “police officers lives’ are put AT risk.” If we expect to be taken seriously by an administration with a history of making fun of its own supporters when they question the status quo on drug policy, getting details like this right is important.
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I am fully aware how “corruption” has allowed the drug war to get out of hand. You are clearly missing my larger point: and that is people usually need jobs and other sources of income. Recreatinoal drugs are not a necessity for human survival and prosperity. What is wrong with people in this country rejecting marijuana, cocaine, heroin, crystal meth, etc.? I would rather have a good paying job than worrying about my next “hit”.
I am talking about more than “rant threads”, I am talking about sustained organizations and actions that will bring about the desired results…….
But doesn’t it make more sense to stop throwing people in jail for these substances and instead fund treatment and education programs? It would be a lot cheaper, take away large amounts of the associated violence, save money, cut down on prison populations and stop turning people into criminals for personal problems of substance abuse.
Most everyone would prefer to have a good paying job rather than looking for their next “hit” (not a real good strawman argument there – a bit of a non-sequitor actually).
And folks would do just as well rejecting cigarettes and alcohol as the substances you name.