Glenn Greenwald discovers a rather pernicious memory hole developing:
Yesterday, in The Washington Post, Katrina vanden Heuvel claimed that the pharmaceutical industry opposed the health care bill (“Missouri’s Roy Blunt, among others, stood with the insurance and drug companies against health-care reform”). As Tim Carney documents, the opposite is true: that industry emphatically supported the bill and undertook multiple actions — including spending substantial amounts of money — to ensure its passage. That’s an important fact to preserve.
We’re not talking the War of 1812 here. This happened last year.
Here’s a refresher course for those who might feel inclined to believe such abject balderdash, courtesy of Tom Carper. The video above is from a Senate Finance Committee meeting, in September 2009:
CARPER: I was not involved in negotiations with PhRMA but I believe that the administration was, obviously PhRMA was, and I presume this committee was involved in some way in those negotiations.
And what PhRMA agreed to do through those negotiations is to pay about
80 billion dollars over 10 years to help fill up half the donut hole. That’s my understanding. And they are prepared to go forward and to honor that commitment. As I understand it, the commitment from our colleague Senator Nelson would basically double what was negotiated with PhRMA.And whether you like PhRMA or not — remember I talked earlier today in our opening statements, I talked about four core values, and one of those is the golden rule, treat other people the way I want to be treated?
I’ll tell you — if someone negotiated a deal with me and I agreed to put up say, 80 dollars or 80 million dollars or 80 billion dollars and then you came back and said to me a couple of weeks later — no no, I know you agreed to do 80 billion and I know you were willing to help support through an advertising campaign this particular — not even this particular bill, just the idea of generic health care reform? No, we’re going to double — we’re going to double what you agreed in those negotiations to do. That’s not the way — that’s not what I consider treating people the way I’d want to be treated.
That just doesn’t seem right to me.
PhRMA got everything it wanted in the health care deal, and paid for it with $150 million in political advertising for Democrats. Harry Reid kept drug reimportation off the floor of the Senate until its failure was assured because it wasn’t part of the deal cut by the White House, and he was handsomely rewarded for his efforts.
I have no idea if people are saying things they know aren’t true when they make these kinds of outrageous misstatements, or if they just don’t know any better. In the end, I’m not sure it matters.




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“Indeed, the reality of Republican obstruction is that, in the midst of the Great Recession with the nation facing a dire crisis, they have served as the guardians of entrenched corporate interests, as opposed to the common good. And they have, with remarkable discipline, filibustered and obstructed every major Obama reform.”
This would be spot on
Katina sure summed it up here
“And that’s the unpalatable choice voters will face this fall. Return to the people and policies that, in Obama’s words, drove “the country into a ditch,” or stick with those people and policies that have yet to drive us out?”
That’s it – Obama’s major reforms haven’t been worth supporting in the first place, so it’s not like the Republicans were filibustering good legislation. All the Democrats had to do was actually deliver on their promises, but instead they give the same corporatist legislation that we’ve been getting for decades and in the WH the same shredding of the Constitution. There really isn’t much difference between Ds and Rs other than in matters of style – Smirky does it with more pinache than Chimpy.
Is this refresher course for your regular readers – I seem to remember quite a few posts about HC Reform – or is it for those people making the forgetfulness comments. Maybe it doesn’t matter. Either.
It does not matter which since the end result is the same regardless.
Katrina needs to correct her column.
It would be nice. Then again, The Nation was in the vanguard of the “we need a health care bill so Obama can have a ‘W’” group of Veal Penners, so I’m not holding my breath.
Exactly! Like everything else Orahmba and his DemoCritters ‘suck all the oxygen outta of the room with’, while the Repubs just inhale their self manifest noxious fumes!
Katrina has learned the language of Carl Rove – just pull any self-serving lie out of your ass and history is automatically re-written!
They head faked opposition, then wrote the bill with the insurance companies. I guess Katrina is siding with the Obama version of things in a way that denies Obama got just the package of legislation that the corporations wanted/demanded. Obama’s ‘reform’?? Are you kidding me? What reform are you talking about, Katrina?
And Liz Fowler at Wellpoint is just a really smart, talented woman. Her corporate connections just mean she has good experience! She’s practically a progressive hero! We all should be proud Obama brought her in to help implement the new health insurance laws.
Jeeze I don’t know about that. She wrote
which is correct. The drug companies were against the so called health bill. They came to a compromise but they did not, unlike some have stated, support the bill. I think, if one reads the article carefully one can see that Katrina was meaning the entire bill and yes they were opposed to it but were “willing” to compromise in specific areas. I do believe that Jane is doing her “I am the only on who is right” tap dance for whatever reason….maybe her ego needs a little massaging or maybe she was not invited to The Nation cruise?
Yep, IMO Katrina lost all credibility at that point.
Might not be pertinent to the current topic but do you recall what the issue was that prompted KVH to use a “big tent” analogy to defend her actions when questioned by Jane? Afraid I’m having a memory lapse in that regard (old age, I’ll be 49 soon).
It seems to me there is a world of difference between being against health care reform, and being against the health care bill (which was most certainly not health care reform). The insurance industry and big Pharma were against health care reform as Katrina vanden Heuvel correctly claims. They were not against the health care bill as Jane correctly claims. All smoke and no fire.
no PhRMA did endorse the bill.
As already noted a few floors down, the appointment of Liz Fowler, bill architect and ex-VP for WellPoint, should somehow, someway make it obvious to anyone, even Katrina vanden Heuvel, that the winners of this insurance scam are as well placed as possible to make sure that companies profiting from others ill-health can now really clean up.
The Nation, MoveOn, the majority of the poser semi-liberal websites, most of the liberal-lite MSM press. The supporters of health-insurance-as-care supporters should have known that the PhRMA and Insurers like WellPoint were head-over-heels happy about those supporters efforts. The standard test applies: either liberal supporters knew and thus colluded or they didn’t know and they’re vacuous dups.
Nonsense. Not only did PhRMA endorse the bill, they were consulted far more than any progressive groups about its contents by the White House.
What’s the matter? Weren’t you invited to the FireDogLake cruise last year?
Well, that’s true.
But it is an error of fact, and Ms Vanden Heuvel should not let it stand.
Might be interesting to have a gander at Katrina’s stock portfolio.
You were watching a different movie than I was. They wanted a ban on drug importation and promises that the government not directly negotiate prices and in return they promised to spend money promoting the end product. This deal came out of the White House.
Yeah, I know if there’s one person losing sleep over not getting a “NationCruise” invite, it’s Jane Hamsher….
The drug companies supported the bill. There’s no counterfactual evidence you can produce to support Katrina’s statement. They made a deal, it’s well-documented in the New York Times and the Congressional Record, by Senator Carper.
I can’t imagine what universe you’re living in. Are there WMDs where you are? Is Saddam meeting with Bin Laden? Is there yellowcake on its way from Nigeria to Iraq?
Shocking to see major corporations influencing things in DC
Sadly, this is why this country will never actually change
Companies will continue spending to make sure they are assured of profits ahead of everyone else
Include the Congress, the Senate, the White House along with the pretend liberalish press. Of course we probably know the result.
And Rushbo also said the BP disaster was due to over-regulation and that oil spills are good for our waterways!
Can someone explain to me why so many Americans listen to this shmuck?
In Nov, voters can:
A) vote for the corporatists of Party x.
B) vote for the corporatists of Party y.
C) vote for candidates of a third party.
What part of that choice is Katrina not getting?
Katrina has no objection to corporatists, provided they have a “D” after their name.
Birds of a feather.
They did more than endorse it, they ratified the deal at the June 19, 2009 meeting of the Board of Directors:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061900280.html
For the Google-challenged:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/phrma-backs-the-baucus-plan-with-150-million-ad-buy.php
Since their deal was cut in June and that was well before either the House or the Senate bill was written, and the deal never changed, one wonders when PhRMA ostensibly “opposed” the health care bill.
The lesser people, the little people, the voters , know in their guts that O and the Dems have not delivered. And it is a damn beastly shame because thet (we) were brought to such a high place before we were dropped. The result willbe that the Dems will get creamed, lying veal penners to the contrary and not withstanding.
Do you think if you say it enough times it becomes true??
Are you now running out of ways to defend the great and mighty O so that you have to turn to outright lies pulled out of thin air to rewrite history??
Good luck with that. But some friendly advice. Before you post such stuff in the future, you should consider teh Google as your friend. It may just save you some embarrassment.
Unfortunately, more time then not, that is what happens.
Pfffttt … the least *YOU* can do is move your feet, your money/cash-flows/investments and the rest of your life energy away from all that rots. You don’t have to apologize for or in any other way enable the zombie dancers depicted at timepoint 8:00. By the way, friends don’t help friends do abduction, bastilles, slave-trade, torture, murder, war, systematic pillaging and the associated scorched-earth tactics of willful environmental destruction eradicating as much life as possible.
Nonsense. Pharma only cares about the portion that effects Pharma and that portion was the only one they could compromise on because they weren’t involved in negotiations on the rest. Why would Pharma give a darn about pre-existing conditions or ER visits? The insurers were in the same position as well as the hospitals. They all supported the overall “reform” package as a condition of the deal they each received, which included the millions of new paying customers they could each expect.
Blunt wasn’t standing with anyone but other Rethugs, if they could be said to have stood at all.
Thanks Jane.
vanden Heuvel enjoys the plaudits of many on the left, but I’ve never been one of them. She has always struck me as a straight-down-the-middle, tow-the-party-line kinda gal, certainly not the person I want editing what bills itself as one of the most unapologetically lefty journals in the country. In short, she’s a neo-lib, with all the attendant IMF and free-market connotations that carries – and she doth apologize too much.
Off topic
“The United States constitution does not provide for referendums at the federal level. A constitutional amendment would be required to allow it.”
was talking to someone from Switzerland yesterday … I was surprised in what they told me ~citizens can @ the federal level force a vote by the people on an issue … even on things that are not being considered by the legislative and executive branches of their government … and if the government passes a law which the people disagree with … this process allows the people to say no .. and overturn what had been passed by the government @ the federal level …
the folks I talked with really felt like they had a voice …
I found this on Wikipedia …sounds like what was described to me ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Switzerland
Any federal law, certain other federal resolutions, and international treaties that are either perpetual and irredeemable, joinings of an international organization, or that change Swiss law may be subject to a facultative referendum if at least 50,000 people or eight cantons have petitioned to do so within 100 days.
they told me there are criticisms of this form of government as change is slow to come since the people in affect have a veto … I laughed … slow from whose perspective … the TMOTU or the people. any way … off topic I know but was blow away the people can force a referendum at teh federal level on an issue of the peoples choosing.
could you imagine Jane with this instrument of citizens’ participation at her disposal … change we can believe in LOL.
thanks for all you all do here.
edited
Perhaps you missed the part where it’s vanden Heuvel, the editor of the Nation rag and noted veal pen chickenhead that is making this shit up. Believe me, I do understand if that’s the case, but the facts need to be kept straight.
lol.
Jane Thank you so much.
Katrina vanden Heuvel there is something about this person that just doesn’t “saddle up” good with me.And no surprise to she is re-writing what happened a year ago.
She reminds me of Bill Press…..who has taken to calling those of us who thinks Obama hasn’t done enough for ordinary Americans, whiners…..yeah those of us who have lost our jobs,losing our homes & being cheated out of our unemployment Insurance are whiners for not going along with the President Corporations over people agenda.
Keep in mind Bill Press is a very wealthy, guy he knows nothing about what ordinary Americans have to endure….. ask yourselves why the heck do you listen to this faux progressive radio talk show host(Bill Press) anyone who calls Tucker Carlson & Pat Buchanan his best friends ought to tell you something about this creep.These people play progressives on TV folks,in reality they are not.
As regards Katrina vanden Heuvel,there is a reason she is on the Tv shows often…..you really think the Corporations would permit real progressives heros on their TV networks…..and is there any wonder she is re-writing last year’s Health Care debate history.
It appears the only person who writes for The Nation without “cognitive dissonance” is William Greider.
I think we lost programming with “real progressives” the day Bill Moyers went off the air.
Given your nonresponse to various rebuttals over time we might assume that the rule of the supporters of neoconservative/neoliberal history rewrites is: say an untruth over and over and over until it appears no one reacts. At that point assume that it is a job a well done and move on to the next topic. True or false.
Hmmmmm . . . living, as I do, in a state that practices a great deal of direct democracy (initiative, referendum, recall), I have you caution you vigorously against it. It can–and almost inevitably does–come back to bite you in the butt in most unpleasant ways.
With you on this
She fought hard against that bloody invasion of Iraq, she is often so spot on that she blows my mind with her keen intellect and ability to deliver the message
This post, and the two to which it links, whips up a lather of indignation over a statement that VandenHeuvel never made, and the only commenter above who gets this straight is yellow @13. Read the actual op-ed, which — some here may be surprised to learn — barely mentions health care reform.
VandenHeuvel never said the drug companies opposed the health care bill, only health care reform. How is that a controversial assertion? Of course they threw in a bunch of cash and promissory notes in nominal support of Obama’s efforts. That was their ticket to free access, with the aim of preventing real reform from creeping into the bill.
Mission accomplished. No discounted drug importation, 12 years of data exclusivity on biologics, and no public option, robust or dilute. The only major restriction on pharmas of which I’m aware was inclusion of the Physician Payments Sunshine Act, and even there, the version passed was the weaker one put forward by Grassley and Baucus.
Indeed, despite all the wins, plenty of pharma companies and executives still opposed not just reform but the gutted bill that eventually passed — no small factor in Billy Tauzin’s early retirement as head of PhRMA.
There may be plenty to criticize in VandenHeuvel’s op-ed (eg, any comparison between Obama and FDR). But this commotion over something she didn’t write is just silliness.
Her opposition to the Iraq invasion does not impress me as “keen intellect.” What else you got? Closely read, her comments and columns consistently betray her true allegiance, which is solely to the DNC’s talking points.
And here’s a case in point, from the summary of a blog post she wrote just a couple of weeks ago:
“…forces President Obama and centrist Democrats…”?? The failure of these men and women to stand firm on HCR or FinReg or DADT or – well, name your issue – is the FAULT of the political environment and lobbies? I guess Katrina watched a different election night and inauguration than the rest of us. This president was elected to change things and he NOT ONLY shrank from that duty – and it is nothing less than a duty, one of his OWN CHOOSING – but he and the (so-called) centrist members of his caucus have compromised legislation in favor of corporations (lobbies… KVH at least seems to get this piece). But they were “forced”?? By – what? Other than complete spinlessness, an unwillingness to take the same bold steps GWB did and say to the other side, “Too bad, we won, go fuck yourselves.” (Oh sorry, that was Cheney.)
It is this apologetic vein running through the acceptance of Obama on the part of all party-line Dems that disgusts me, and it is acquiescence to this indefensible “logic” by supposedly brilliant people like vanden Heuvel that enables it – and with it, our descent into less-worseness, rather than aspiring and ascending to “best.”
Everything I have ever read by her or heard her say about health care, Iraq, Iran, bailouts is spot on. Has she made mistakes. I’m sure. Although I have never heard or read one.
Katrina on Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFO-7vfhJc
cost of war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Jw2_MaHvM
katrina on Russia Democracy now
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=kyI1uCSoJR8&feature=related
katrina
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=kyI1uCSoJR8&feature=related