I have long held the belief that when Republican deficit hypocrites talk about “reducing the deficit,” they are simply using it as secret code for “exploiting regular Americans.” They almost never have plans that would actually reduce the deficit. Their “deficit reduction” plans are mainly schemes like taking Medicare and Social Security from middle-class people, not raising taxes on the rich or implementing policies like direct drug-price negotiations, which would reduce government cost but hurt the profit of large corporations.
Sadly, it appears the Obama Administration now falls firmly in the same camp of having “deficit reduction” just mean stealing from the poor to give to the rich. While the president talks about how we need to reduce the deficit, he has his staff and surrogates fighting diligently to increase the deficit by making sure hedge-fund managers and wealthy Wall Street investors pay a lower tax rate than teachers and police officers. From “The Wall Street Journal”:
In a CNBC interview late Wednesday, [Treasury Secretary Tim] Geithner said the Obama administration still hopes to hold the top tax rate on both capital gains and dividends to 20% next year – the level the White House has been proposing since taking office.
Of course, a 20% rate would represent a big increase over the current 15%. But it’s a lot better than the 39.6% top rate for dividends that congressional Democrats have signaled they were planning next year for higher earners.
This shows what a complete farce Obama’s Cat Food Commission really is. It might force hard-working janitors to labor two years longer by raising the Social Security retirement age, but what it really cares about is assuring extremely low taxes for wealthy people on Wall Street. The people who helped ruin the economy have the Obama Administration fighting to protect their low taxes, while the people they hurt are losing their retirement money. So much for shared sacrifice.
Until we adopt a more cost-effective health care system like single payer (which would completely eliminate the long-term deficit), end our wars, make real cuts to our bloated Pentagon budget, end corporate welfare programs and make Wall Street millionaires pay at least as much taxes as a school principal, no one in Washington, Republican or Democrat, should dare even think about cutting Social Security or Medicare to reduce the deficit.
Obama’s talk about wanting to reduce the deficit was just talk. His Administration thinks helping Wall Street is far more important. Good to know where we rank: Wall Street Millionaires > Corporate Welfare (PhRMA, for- profit hospitals, too-big-to-fail banks, military contractors and more) > Deficit Reduction > Regular People.



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Jon,
Time to come to grips with the obvious: Barrack Obama is a corporate shill and he will steal every plug nickel from the middle class and the poor to enrich his buddies on Wall Street………….
you must shame them into good behavior
I really find it stunning that the Dems will go into the mid-terms while the Democrat appointed Deficit Commission is doing the Republican’s dirty work. Do Democratic members of the House, and those up for re-election in the Senate have no sense of self-preservation at all?
Congressional Dems need to sue Obama for divorce or they will be in a world of hurt come November.
Better yet reduce the deficit by not spending so much on wars. We’re spending trillions of dollars chasing around a few hundred alleged terrorists by the Obama administration’s own admission.
March in the streets. They might fear we could become violent, and actually stop screwing us.
Can’t do that. They have no shame.
I agree. Vote green instead.
As long as the media keeps the scam going, most people have no idea what they’re really up to. The Dems will go to the mid terms blaming Republicans and everyone will get in line.
The way they all talk, you’d think there’s a Republican majority and President. Oh, wait. They’re DINO’s to the Right of Reagan.
And even so, Wall St. contributions to Ds are down 65% this year.
The sad thing about this administration is that it was elected under voter delusion and then proceeded to do the following:
They advertised ‘change you can believe in’, then stayed with the status quo in the financial bailout and Afghanistan (the two biggest issues of the day); thus, they alienated their base.
They ‘compromised away’ the ‘stimulus’ (criticized at the time as ‘less than half of what is needed); thus, they alienated working people who had been willing to take a chance on them.
They failed to even pretend to be ‘real change’; thus, they alienated first-time voters who came out and supported them (think ‘transparency’, ‘visibility’, ‘leadership’, etc).
Hoping to hide in the shadows and get a pass, they failed to step forward on immigrant rights and gay rights; thus, they alienated various minorities by not supporting their rights vigorously.
In the name of ‘bi-partisanship’, they devoted only half-hearted efforts to closing Guantanamo and trying illegally held prisoners in civilian courts – plus, kept ‘extraordinary rendition’ and other illegal practices as US policy; thus, they alienated more principled voters (because they either ignored or endorsed previous Republican profligacy, crimes, misdemeanors).
They went into months of ‘reflection and analysis’ only to come out and escalate a meaningless and fruitless war in Afghanistan; thus, alienating themselves from all but the loonatic fringe.
They couldnt even get behind real financial reform and gutted or deleted all significant reform measures (no Glass-Steagle, no ‘too big too fail); thus, alienating themselves from any thinking person who still believed government could act in the best interests of the people.
They continue to fiddle around & not pass a jobs bill and now cant pass an extension of unemployment insurance; confirming money spent by the Democrats on financial bailouts and mindless wars is fine , but money spent by Democrats on people is ‘budget busting’ and, thus, alienating most everyone (except Fox news viewers – whom I dont think will vote for them anyway).
The kept hostage real health care reform by rejecting the only option that would have simultaneously extended coverage and cut costs (single payer); creating years of court challenges, keeping health care costly (80-85% of your premium goes to things other than providing health care services), and, thus, alienating most informed voters (who needs ‘em, eh!).
They will balance the budget on the backs of the middle class, and will likely have a strong Republican Congress to help them with their ‘bi-partisan agenda’ – scalping the middle class.
Through their wishy-washy, non-reforms, they’ve squandered the ‘willing suspension of disbelief’ that independents and some Republicans had bestowed on them. And alienated their base.
The problem is not that there needs to be more ‘bi-partisanship’.
The problem is that their needs to be a Democratic Party, and there isnt one.
Would that be the Green Party that couldn’t seem to get a headline up about on its front page about the BP gusher?
Can’t resist this early OT, as it’s just too precious for words. I apologize.
Link.
Can’t shame sociopaths. I’ve long….held the notion that Obama is just a seat warmer for the next republican Genghis Khan. He hasn’t even bothered to replace Bush admin functionaries; just the “people” at the top.
They’ll pull this even tho there seems to be a rising tide of a sort of populism in congress. Sorta a “we can’t kill ‘em all” kind of attitude, especially vis-a-vie the wars.
Combine Obama with a runaway Supreme court and the froggie in the pot (US) is cooked.
Thom Hartman was opining today that he thought Obama’s actions with BP in the Gulf was so he wouldn’t look like he was acting like Bush during Katrina, but that is exactly what Obama is doing.
Where do they find these “people” do they groom them. It seemed like O had some fairly decent parenting. How did he turn into the Visigoth he’s become?
Increasing the tax rate on qualified dividends and capital gains does not equate to stealing from the poor and giving to the rich.
I have a feeling this might be a tactical error, it may force dems to pander to us again, and ‘we’ll’ be needing some concrete action this go around.
What part of reducing soc sec benefits to balance the budget, while holding tax rates for the rich below those for the poor do you not understand?
trying to reduce the deficit but only putting in place things that hurt mainly the poor/middle class while not doing things that have the rich pay their fair share is the same thing in almost all but name.
The whole system is one huge cesspool.
Nothing’s gonna change till they’re ALL banished from power
in one fell swoop. Supporting any of them is rather masochistic.
I refuse to reward failure. That would be a really stupid move.
He has trouble with the idea that this guy could really not be what he said he was. Denial is NOT a river in Africa.
I wouldn’t count on that. I’m hearing from friends across the political spectrum that they are fed up and are in no mood to re-elect any incumbents of any political stripe. Obviously this is purely anecdotal, but some of these of people are died in the wool labor union Dem supporters and they have had it.
No matter how much the MSM may spin things, there is no denying what everyone can plainly see, infinite money for the rich, and less than nothing for the rest of us.
It sure does if you raise FICA taxes, or Cut social security benefits to ‘lower’ the deficit when SS is solvent for another 25 years!
Figure it out.
Good luck, Rupert.
Your last attempt to cozy up to a repressive regime didn’t work out so well.
Even with marrying into the ruling class.
Well, my dear phred, you’ve given me a glimmer on a very gloomy day.
We’ll see, though. It’s hard to break bad habits. Takes a constant vigilance to see through their bullshit. They are master liars and manipulators.
Responding to #15 and #16:
I was commenting as to what Geithner actually said as opposed to what you speculate might happen regarding the Commission.
Ah, ‘emphasize uncertainty’. There it is again.
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=%22emphasize+uncertainty%22+dell&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
oldgold, why shouldn’t capital gains be taxed at the same rate as a paycheck?
I’m happy to bring you a bit of good cheer : ) I am not often accused of such things when the topic is politics ; )
But the fact that the commission was ACTUALLY created to help solve “long term deficits” proves they’re worried about deficits, while simultaneously ACTUALLY fighting to keep the tax rates for Wall St. cronies lower than the rates paid by their secretaries, PROVES they would rather anyone other than their Wall St. pals sacrifice to get the deficits under control.
Whether it be Social Security, Medicare, or any other recommended cuts from the commission, they’re going to be cuts that affect middle class or the poor while they insist on keeping the taxes low for Wall St. MOTU.
You’re a smart guy, eventually you’re going to realize what a tool for the rich and powerful Obama really is. He’s shown his hand several times now, from working WITH the insurance industry to kill the public option he claimed to support, to working with the PHARMA industry to kill drug-reimportation, to fighting behind the scenes to weaken the FINREG bill, to keeping the taxes paid by the MOTU below the rate their own secetaries will pay… if a Republican had been doing these things you’d be screaming your head off (rightfully so), admit it.
What delusion?
McCain and Palin were frightening real. Four more years of Bush would have been too much to bear. Obama may not be much but he’s better than the alternative.
Really? I seem to recall Bush and Cheney shitting all over the Constitution and our civil liberties, including trashing the basic human right of habeas corpus….. but I never heard them claim they can assassinate American citizens whenever they like.
He’s better alright, he’s extended all of those bad examples and added onto them.
I respectfully disagree. Had Republicans continued in the WH, Democrats would have continued in opposition. Now, we have no opposition to the unitary excesses of the executive nor the corporate excesses of Congress.
I am not arguing that human capital and other forms of capital should or should not be taxed differently. Or, if they are taxed differently, what the appropriate difference should be.
I am only making the observation that Geithner’s remark about increasing taxes on qualified dividends and capital gains is not Sheriff of Nottingham rhetoric.
Exactly. I think the Democrats are better in opposition than in power.
Kudos to the editor who chose the statue of Robin Hood in Nottingham. Mr. Obama and Tim Geithner bear more resemblance to Prince John and his sheriff than to him. Then again, in Robin Hood’s day a bishop spent more time collecting tithes and taxes than administering to his flock, a task few in the clergy thought doing, since apart from the king, and a few of his nobles and clergy, their lives were as Hobbes described them: solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short. Plus ca change.
Ha! Same here.
A veritable cynic savant.
Without a doubt. Another reason they must lose BIG.
We’re in a death thro anyway, so bring on the Thugs.
Maybe the Democrats had sound bites that we all agreed with back when they were the so-called opposition party, but Bush (or more accurately, corporate interests) got everything he (they) wanted. Democrats in Congress and the WH are either terrible at their jobs or they are accomplishing what they set out to do.
Bingo on the latter. They’re gettin’ it done and blaming the easiest target for their own agenda, the Republicans.
Hmm, it may not be Nottingham rhetoric, but it is Nottingham actions.
Please, Obama is four more years of Bush. Worse in my opinion, Bush didn’t have an assassination program targeting US citizens.
They have no shame.
“The problem is that their needs to be a Democratic Party, and there isnt one.” Amen!
That only works with people of conscience. That circumtance is not in evidence here.
The latest set of formerly-Republican, older-than-35 CEOs working in their posts for free while they watch their childrens’ fortunes/health states failing are … PISSED. The last one with which I spoke a few days ago ranted about the abject corruption of the Congress. He couldn’t decide if it was the worst since Reconstruction.
These dynamics (and the PISSED-ness) are not just going on in the US but across the EU as the housing bubble was created to be an international one (e.g. regarding data points on Denmark, read “Economic signs point towards growth” and “Golman Goes Bearish On Dollar; Time To Short Euro Again“).
IMO, we are seeing the tail of an international heist to beat all heists!
Eli is upstairs!
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I can’t imagine anyone is too concerned about the bleatings of CEO’s. They’re not particularly inventive. I think a heist has occurred, but that’s only if the game keeps rolling, which I doubt they’d object to. What we’ve got, imo, wasn’t intended by anyone and the politicians are running around desperately trying to figure out who to pander to. Embarassing. Sooner or later, we’re going to have a showdown between the bankers and industry.
Woo.
It is important to note that taking from the poor and middle and giving to the rich was this Administration’s plan from the beginning. It wasn’t just the deficit. The bailouts to Wall Street stuck ordinary taxpayers with the tab. The whole fiction of letting insolvent banks cook their books, gouge their clients with fees and charges, dump toxic assets on the Fed, Fannie, and Freddie (and ultimately the taxpayer), and borrowing money at ZIRP from the Fed (and again ultimately the taxpayer) to gamble in blowing new bubbles, the plan was always to have banks earn their way back to solvency on the backs of ordinary Americans. Obama’s deficit hawkism is just the latest example of this policy. It is hardly the first.
Actually if you remember back to the Bush years, they were pathetic even then. They were always keeping their powder dry for the next fight, a fight which never came. All the time they would whine about how they didn’t have the votes and how we needed to elect more Democrats, and then we would see. Well, now we have seen. We have seen them in the minority and in the majority and they do nothing, stand for nothing, fight for nothing no matter where they are.
I like Brad Sherman. The rest can fuck off, Grayson included.
Shouldn’t Geithner be in prison for the heckuva job he did as head of the New York Fed?
Obama has been a disaster for America. He had a huge opportunity when elected and went straight to the new corrupt status quo.
From now on, Americans know that “hope and change” is just election propaganda. If a politician actually changed things, then people will think something is wrong.
And what billjanes @ comment 10, was on the money.
Yes, Timmy belongs in jail. We have the inmates running the asylum.
These folks just cut lifelines to millions of Americans without so much as blushing.
The folks in Washington don’t need to be shamed, they need to be replaced. Starting with Obama and much of his administration(certainly all of Treasury needs to go). Obama needs to be Nixon’d… get him out of there ASAP.
We know exactly what that commission is all about. It’s not speculation when you have long track records of words and deeds regarding 14 of the commissions members.
And we know that the Whitehouse and Congressional leadership have basically locked in the vote on the commissions recommendations to occur during the lame duck window in December.
If we simply take our politicians latest proclaimations at face value without measuring them against past words and deeds then we are done for.
And regarding taxes, doesn’t that depend on what you consider the alternative to be? If you consider the alternative 15% then 20% sounds like an improvement but if you consider the alternative to be 39.6% then 20% certainly sounds like a huge tax break for the rich. The article does point out that Congressional Democrats were planning a move to 39.6% thus that would have to be considered an alternative to Timmy’s 20%.
Here’s a rundown on the people Obama chose for his Deficit Commission.
Obama’s Deficit Commission
Read it, it gives a good rundown on why so many here believe thier views on the Deficit Commission to be informed opinion based on conclusive evidence rather than mere speculation.
What we need to understand is that the 2 party thing…dems and repukes…is over. Oh theres a few stragglers like Kucinich who seem to still be part of that old system but by and large the the 2 party system is dead. Its now one party and that is the Corporate Party. The dems have to approach the agenda differently than the repukes in order to maintain the illusion of 2 partys but there is only ONE PARTY.
If you watch Fox News for any length of time it becomes quite clear…they are not shilling for republicans as much as they are shilling for The Corporate Party. Yes they demonize democrats but again it feels anymore like a script meant to keep the nation believing the 2 party system is still intact.
It is not. The last 1.5 years should make it perfectly clear whos calling the shots and it aint us. And it aint the puppet politicians. Its the Corporate Party and their overlords. ONE PARTY…The Corporate Party…runs this nation and sets the agenda. The corporate media supports and promotes the agenda unfailingly (the perfect example…I watched the PBS Newhour for the first time in literally years the other night. What was I exposed to? approx 30 solid minutes of deficit hawk BS from profiles on Demint and Bennet followed by a story about the French needing to cut health care costs because its going broke or some such shit)
As long we keep believing there is a 2 party system we are doomed to keep getting whacked. Next up…some killer bio-created strain of corn courtesy Monsanto.
Does anyone believe that our vote means anything? We are nothing but shills for the corporate elite(top 1%). Both parties are in Washington for one thing$$$$$$.
It is so funny to watch and listen to the kool aid drinkers supporting their beloved dems/repugs.
We must get money out of politics. Until we do that we the “small people” are screwed.
The solution is a massive march on Washington and present a simple bill to get money out of this system and anyone taking bribes or jobs or trips, etc. goes to jail. The Congressional ethics committee has no say in this matter. Hey we stay until they pass our bill(we the people).
Who is giving Obama his orders? Is Emmanuel actually running the government? Is the HW Bush mafia still in charge?
Democrats would have continued in token, ineffective, opposition, you mean – with McLiar at the top and Palin a heartbeat away.
Exactly.
Like Bill Maher said, We the People “need a first party,” one that will represent the public interest.