Obama’s top Terrorism adviser John Brennan recently suggested that there could be “dozens” of Americans who have been targeted for assassination, and Glenn Greenwald appeared on the Dylan Ratigan show today to discuss the implications.
Ratigan asked Glenn Greenwald if Obama’s actions create “a massive cognitive dissonance that actually allows him to get away with more than George W. Bush could when it comes to encroachment on civil liberties,” whether it was “facilitating theft from the American people, or potentially calling you or me a terrorist and trying to have us killed”:
GREENWALD: I know that that’s the fact. The Republicans are at least being consistent. When Bush was president, they said “we think the President should be able to have whatever powers he wants in an unchecked fashion as long as it’s justified by terrorism and war. The Democrats, though, said that they were against those things, that the President shouldn’t have powers to exercise in an unchecked fashion. And again, if you look at what Democrats including Barack Obama objected to, it was merely things like eavesdropping on Americans and detaining them without due process and without charges. And now Democrats have completely abandoned those objections now that there is a Democrat in the White House. And apparently not just detaining and eavesdropping on Americans, but targeting them for murder is acceptable to the Democratic party now that there is a Democrat in the White House.
And again, if you justify that — targeting American citizens for assassination without any due process – what don’t you approve of?
That is a very good question.





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So why aren’t we sending someone to ask Russ Feingold or Dennis Kucinich or another member of congress to do something about it? Where are our guerilla reporters? I’ll donate 20 bucks if that’s what’s necessary.
I heard Dylan on Hartmann’s show Friday and he sounds like the real deal. He is absolutely right. Hopefully you’ll be on his show Jane. I’ll have to see what time he’s on in California.
That’s an easy question. I DON’T approve of Democratic voters who will rationalize sending THEIR Democratic Incumbents back to Wash. D.C. for another term.
Defeat every one of them, starting with Barbara Boxer AND Russ Feingold. Remember Barbara Boxer, she’s the great supporter of women? Remember Russ Feingold, who loudly stands up against the bogus financial reform package (WHEN his vote doesn’t matter) and refused to stand up against the FRAUD of an HCR Bill (WHEN his vote did count)!
No question about it, Dylan Ratigan has THE BEST show on TV, BY FAR!
There was a reporter on Washington Journal last week, waxing eloquent about how great drones were and how everyone (“law enforcement”) wants them. I sent an email Q: How soon before the U.S. president orders assassination by drones of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. Don’t know why they didn’t choose to read that Q on air.
This stuff is so sickening. Talk about dictatorial powers. What excuse do they give, if any?
I’m eagerly awaiting them here on our borders! Lets see how long it is until some type of colossal fuck up occurs here! Odds, anyone? You know it won’t take very long.
Of course, we would never use these implements of death anyplace where we actually cared about the sanctity of human life, say, patrolling the air space above DC. But they are wonderful for controlling those folks along the border…
Hijack their video feeds. Iraqi insurgents were able to do it, I’d be hard pressed to think that some enterprising Americans couldn’t accomplish the same feat. Then live stream them to the web.
This is so outlandish that I don’t even understand. Why would we need to/have to/or want to kill Americans? If they have broken the law, why don’t they deserve a trial – or am I really missing something?
Well, Feingold has been notably silent about it. The only Congresspeople who’ve put up a stink are Kucinich and Ron Paul.
http://www.thenation.com/article/kucinich-white-house-assassination-policy-extrajudicial
Whatever the political-legal implication of his targeting American citizens, there’s, of course, no moral difference between this and his killing foreign suspects, and Obama is not merely killing people, he’s killing people who have no connection to 9-11. Here’s a rare report of one of Obama’s killings.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/09/14/foxwirenavy-seals-kill-wanted-terrorist-somali-raid/
You hit on a key point bailey. These so called progressive dems like Boxer, Feingold, Kucinich (remember he was against the healthcare bill then voted for it!) talk the talk and vote when it doesn’t matter.
The moment they have to walk the walk, you can’t find these people.
David Dayen is upstairs!
Obama Catered to Scott Brown on FinReg, Now Brown Opposes the Bill
Ratigan, in an effort to paint Republicans in a positive light, implied that the media would have excoriated Dubya for waht Obama is doing. Greenwald was too smart for him.
The media ignored the fact that we were lied into two wars (still ongoing thanks to the Change We Can Believe In). It ignores the fact that Obama intends to kill some Americans without due process.
I do so want my habeas corpus back. The government still killed people, but it didn’t do it overtly or legally.
Correction:
Much of the Media proactively helped to promote the illegal, unnecessary war effort. The NYT and Judith Miller; Dick Cheney and go to source Meet The Press; NPR and many more.
That’s one of your best!
Marcy Wheeler is upstairs!
Erik Prince, Sanctions, and Mineral Wealth
Silly Twain. We don’t dignify terrorists with trials–that would show us to be weak. And we all agree who the terrorists are–they’re whoever it’s politically expedient to characterize as such.
It’s hard to run a democracy without a decent press to keep the citizenry informed. But Glenn and Jane and Dylan are shrill, don’t you know.
Btw, Glenn’s takedown of Lara Logan today was about as concise, clear, and compelling an indictment of our corporate media as you will find.
I don’t think the majority of Americans will object to assassinating Americans as long as those who are killed are muslims. Start killing non-muslims and there will be a backlash.
Can we start a fifth’rs group here? I mean jeez, can all the ‘constitutional’ voter start with this issue.
Non-MuslimsNon Browns or Whites if you likeIsn’t it funny how the Obama defenders never show up in a thread like this???
Funny that.
Man it would make my day knowing this was cross posted on DKos. Make. My. Day.
Josh Nelson is upstairs!
What Role Will Senator Murkowski Play in Climate and Energy Negotiations?
To be honest, I really don’t think skin color matters. The only color these assholes are interested in is green. If you’re poor white trash, you’re the same as poor brown trash to them. They couldn’t possibly care less about either.
Assholes.
Oh, of course. It’s rather like seeing Bell Curve fans calling out Bobby Byrd’s dead body for racism.
obama and bush neck and neck…The follies continue in this theater of the absurd where reality is handmaiden to tragedy. Think I will call my children and tell them how much I love them.
how can anyone really take the media seriously anymore? The simple fact that they can call Fox the most trusted name in news should tell you that honest reporting on either side is dead.The reporter know enough not to cover any story that their masters don’t want the public to know about.
What is their to really defend? It’s not like you you can even use the excuse that the glass is half full, because it’s half filled with oily water. Nothing is going to change until we hold our elected officials responsible for how they vote. The fact that we still have the so called blue dog Democrats around after they’ve repeatedly screwed us over is a travesty. we need candidates that stand for the people that voted them into office.
In my neck of the woods their districts are so gerrymandered it is not possible to unseat thenm.
Here is an example of the kinds of people who might end up being targeted.
Spy Vs…Lawyer?
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/07/john-sifton-guantanamo-aclu
Personally, I would prefer we ALL just go by the constitution instead. I’m tired of the idea that SOME people are special and can get a special job that lets them be secret murderers.
Legalizing torture doesn’t sit well with me either.
Good to hear sane views on this topic making it onto mainstream TV. I cancelled my cable subscription 5 years ago because at that time it was complete garbage.
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The more they steal and the greater the inequality they wish to cultivate, the more violence they will need to maintain order.
The Patriot Act, homeland security, no fly lists and the rest of it… they aren’t about “fighting terrorism”.
I just read that piece. We are an Empire lost.
Don’t forget the new Supreme Court decision that packin’ is Amerikan. If you’ve got guns, you’ve got freedom.
They also do torture of American citizens, don’t forget about that little twist. I bet the APA is heavily involved. In fact, I know it. I have been through their wringer.
This is why I will not vote for Obama in 2012.
I keep DNCC fundraising emails that tell me how awful Sarah Palin is, and how I need to give money to shut her down.
So, I see now why this Tundra Tart has survived far longer than the 15 minute shelf life she was supposed to. She has been manufactured, in the media, as the straw woman. She is the baser evil that will make Obama look good. So, despite her ethics violations, her lack of policy knowledge, her caustic way, her lack of ability to keep her seat in Alaska, her failed career, etc… she is elevated to the equivalent of a heavyweight through sheer media manipulation.
Less than 10% of this nation likes her. But she is the classic straw woman.
I saw the show, “The Good Wife” where Hillary Clinton got lots of name recognition as the female attorney/partner democrat’s role model. And the guy she dated was a Marlboro man-type, whose hero was… SARAH PALIN! And that imagery was repeated in at least 3 episodes. This show was obviously written with a Democratic party bias, taking place in Chicago, with all the protagonists being Democrat, except the one man she dated being a Sarah Palin type Republican (he also was a protagonist).
So, to make my point – this is the tactic used by the Obama/Establishment. Create a Sarah Palin panic, so that Obama is the lesser of two evils.
Well, how about we all do something to turn the tables? Since nobody who is a Democrat will want Sarah Palin to have the power of presidential extrajudicial assassinations of American Citizens, and everyone in the left-of-center will scream bloody murder if she has that power, then lets make sure we do the right thing. To ELIMINATE THE USE OF THIS POWER BY ANYONE, lets make sure we put someone like Sarah Palin in office.
Give Obama his nightmare. Show him that we are not stupid. LEt her have it. Then, we’ll see the end of this power once and for all. And I think we would all be happier to see the daily exposure and vilification of Sarah Palin as the fool she is than to have the veil of wilful obtuseness pulled over our eyes by the MSM.
Its a counter-intuitive thing to do. And it has short term painful consequences. But, it has some LONG TERM upside.
We have to teach these corporatist demorepubs a lesson. No more bluedogs. No more conservadems. No more neoliberal warmongering. No more.
Because this “cognitive dissonance” is what is killing America. Obama has the cover of his charisma and the loyalty of low-information democratic voters to get away with murder. Whereas Sarah Palin would never have the freedom to get away with it. We have to put someone in the oval office who can be scrutinized.
Most of the repeat votes OBama is hoping for are the low-information voters who haven’t paid attention to OBama since his Indianopolis speech in October 2008, where he had a “Righteous Wind” at his back, or perhaps they saw him Election night, and their hopes were realized. They watched him on January 20, 2009, and then tuned out until 2012. They have been played by Obama, and they don’t know it. They don’t realize that Obama has become worse than Bush. And that SARAH PALIN is actually a BETTER choice only because she won’t have any cognitive dissonance.
WE KNOW SHE IS CRAZY. So she will not get a lot of wiggle room like OBama was given.
I’ve got a better idea. Let’s put Kucinich, Nader, McKinney, or some other LEFT-WING politician in office — someone with a history of walking the walk in addition to talking the talk. Voting in an insanely evil thug like Sarah Palin would only guarantee that America completes its transformation into the next Nazi Germany (right alongside Israel, the other Nazi-run lunatic asylum).
Stop voting for fascists. Stop letting them come to power by voting Democrat or staying home and not voting. Vote for the genuine articles, the REAL progressives. THAT is how you send your message. Think about it. The far right controls the GOP precisely by demonstrating its willingness to abandon its disfavored candidates in elections to support those who more closely represent their evil agenda. We on the left, who believe in things like jobs and justice and compassion for the downtrodden and civil liberties for everyone (not just the filthy rich), should do likewise. Anything less is to continue the failed strategy that brought us to defeat time and again.
Jane,
Everybody ends up getting what the majority deserves, as the old adage goes. The majority voted for Bush’s third term in the form of Obama and now they are getting exactly what they deserve, neverending war and bailouts for criminal bankers that are sucking the treasury dry, job killing trade agreements with high unemployment, and now the coup de grace, mass murder of American citizens without due process of any kind, based solely on the say so of Barack Hussein Bush. Ya gotta love this insane assylum, the good ole USSA………………
Dylan Ratigan is the real deal. I try catching his show everyday at 3 pm central time. He is essentially the media version of Ralph Nader and he is using his platform to the utmost. I hope he keeps the pressure on both criminal gangs, the Ds and Rs…………….
Very intelligent analysis. You are spot on. Sarah Palin would be scrutinized more. But may I suggest a third option? How about supporting a candidate outside the two criminal gang straightjacket? Time to put the Republicrats to sleep, permanently…………
I understand people who tell me that I should put a true progressive in office instead, and not put someone like Palin in. I wish it were that simple.
I will more than gladly vote third party, or vote for the TRUE progressive, if they should be nominated. But I will not vote for Obama.
If I and enough others vote for a third party candidate, I realize that it is very likely that we will pull votes away from Obama. Just like Ross Perot pulled votes away from Bush.
And we will very likely indirectly elect Sarah Palin as a result.
And that means that we have sent a MESSAGE to the Dems and Reps: That our vote mattered, and that a sizeable propotion of Americans were willing to go to a third party. And the other result will be the one I explained in #36. That Obama will be out and that someone with a lot less wiggle room will be in.
As I say – I know this will have short-term painful consequences. Of course. But the long-term goal is the very survival of the American Republic. If we don’t take some drastic measures, and SOON, there will be no America left to save.
We cannot keep doing things as business as usual. We cannot keep believing the lies of the Democratic Party. WE CANNOT. I bet if Alan Grayson was nominated, somehow, someway, the thugs that run our government would either (1) blackmail him to become a corporatist, (2) threaten his family, (3) assassinate him for failing to go along with their agenda.
I am that cynical about America now. I am ready to leave the nation permanently and find another home for myself and my family. There are places in Europe that may at least be better.
So, I admit that I am at wit’s end. But I think that the alternative is MUCH MUCH WORSE. I fear that when it DOES become too late, and Americans finally wake up from our Soma and distractions, that we will find only one option left, and it will be the worst and last option of any oppressed people. And we will see something that hasn’t been seen since the middle of the 19th century. And we will have no idea of whether that can succeed.
I don’t want to see that happen. I would rather endure 4 years of a Palin nightmare (wherein the advocates of the CONSTITUTION will beat her back with all we’ve got) than the alternative.
If the Palin thing doesn’t work, then I suppose there is no hope. But I don’t expect a Kucinich or Grayson to ever make it past the Diebold voting machines. Those things are outlawed in Europe. Just as antibiotic fed meat is outlawed. Just like GMOs get outlawed. But in the US, Grayson will get Alvin-Greened before he can win a nomination for President.
So, I am willing to risk a Palin nightmare.
At the end of the day, we thought our best hope was Obama. And he has so fully betrayed us that it still isn’t quite sinking in for so many of us. I think people still believe in our democracy. People still think we can vote Democrat and somehow get a better result. The Rahm Emmanuel Blue Dog strategy has so gutted our party that we are not the WellPoint Party of Max Baucus and Liz Fowler. How is that possible?
I see what they did to Howard Dean. They DESTROYED him for proposing reconciliation. You think we can stop Obama from assassinating US citizens?
I bet most of our IP addresses are already being logged. I expect the cleansing to begin at some point. I think the proverbial dung is about to hit the proverbial fan. The War on “Terror” is really the war on “dissent.”
I think another hopeful trend lays with people like the founder of Wikileaks. Where enough truth is shown to the world, and international outrage can spark enough pushback. Because Americans are not going to have the ability to do this on our own. Not from within. Where the US has become a prison of police-state surveillance, bribery, corruption, and state-sponsored terrorism. Which is what Obama has become with his policy of US citizen assassinations. He is no different now than a Mullah putting a fatwa on the heads of those who draw cartoons or write books. We Americans will need all the help we can get from the other free peoples of the world, who are willing to do what they can to prevent the complete fall of the US to Fascism.
http://www.wikileaks.com/wiki/Reading_mission_control_data_from_Predator_Drone_video_feeds,_20_Dec_2009
I guess in case any drones are used to target civilian populations in the US, or even used to target “Suspected’ criminals/”terrorists” in the US, this link may prove useful to people who want to know what happened. Maybe we can’t stop them, but at least the world can know how and when it happens so that the public at least has a chance to be outraged…
This is what we have become…
http://www.wikileaks.com/wiki/Torture,_interrogation_and_intelligence
If the founder of this site, Julian Assange, ends up dead, we will know that the United States was behind it. And his crime?
Telling the truth. Exposing the hypocrisy of the West.