Senate Democrats have again failed to pass a large tax-extender and jobs bill because of a unified Republican filibuster. The bill is meant to stop massive layoffs, make sure poor people don’t lose their health care and provide continued unemployment insurance to the many Americans hit hard by the recession. Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) firmly stated that she believes Republicans are destroying the economy and the lives of millions of Americas for political gain. From David Dayen:
Stabenow, whose state of Michigan has the second-highest unemployment in the country, did not mince words. “The Republicans in the Senate want this economy to fail,” she said bluntly. “In cynical political terms, it doesn’t serve them if things turn around (in the economy).”
Several left-leaning writers like Greg Sargent have all noted the basic game theory 101 involved. Voters will blame Democrats, and vote for Republicans, if the economy stays bad. So, Republicans have a huge incentive to block Democrats from passing legislation that would improve the economy, and Senate Republicans have the tool to do that with the filibuster.
My question is: If Democratic Senators like Stabenow actually believe Republicans are trying to destroy the lives of millions of Americans and our economy, why on Earth are Senate Democrats letting Republicans do it?
Forty-one Senate Republicans can’t constitutionally stop a bill unless the Senate Democrats let them. Fifty Democratic Senators plus Joe Biden can pass any legislation they want if they are willing to play hardball.
If they wanted to, Democrats could pass a budget resolution with reconciliation instructions that could be used for the tax-extender bill. They could than pass the tax bill as a reconciliation measure, which can’t be filibustered in the Senate. This process would be very time consuming but could in theory work.
Better yet, Democrats could just take to the floor and use the “nuclear option” to eliminate the absurd anti-constitutional filibuster once and for all. Within an hour, they could end the much-abused practice and pass the tax-extender and jobs bill that millions of Americans desperately need. If Democrats actually believe Republicans are using the filibuster to destroy our economy for political gain, then eliminate it—now. Millions are suffering so Senate Democrats can maintain the silly, destructive traditions of their chamber.
The Senate Republicans’ callous behavior disgusts me. Sadly, I’m only slightly less disgusted by the Senate Democrats who let them get away with it because they don’t want to change the made-up rules of their super-fun club. What is worse: ruining the lives of millions for political gain or letting others do it because you don’t want to change the rules that give you more power due to the 60-vote threshold for cloture?
If left-wing pundits are going to express their outrage about the Republican behavior in this matter, then they also need to direct it at the Democrats for letting it happen. This is not a game. People’s livelihoods are at stake. But I guess among elected Democrats and Washington pundits, that is a distant second choice compared with protecting the “proud Senate tradition” that served for decades to stop anti-lynching laws and civil rights legislation.




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How many votes would the budget resolution take under non-nuclear option rules?
I don’t totally disagree, but the nuclear option is really the only option in this case.
you can’t filibuster the budget resolution so only 50 plus Joe Biden
we need jobs, not unemployment benefits. unemployment benefits aren’t going to create jobs. Rather they are putting people on life support, keeping them in mortgages they can’t afford.
Flash. There are no jobs.
Yep.
Let’s have a really good old depression with college grads selling apples on street corners and riding the rails. Then call the hobos.
Just what kind of folks do you think are on unemployment?
Uh, what? These people had jobs. They lost them, presumably in large part, due to the economy. They need their benefits. Your comment assumes we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
Well said to such a heartless soul… sigh.. the old and tired diatribe…
” I got Mine & fU”. “Starve in the street I don’t care about you or your kids… unless of course you are pregnant”.
Not having unemployment benefits isn’t going to create jobs either. As I recall, all that federal stimulus money was supposed to create jobs. Trickle-down economic theory was supposed to create jobs. But the corporate Elitists in charge are keeping all the money, and trying to take more by tanking our unemployment benifits, forcing us to work lower wage jobs instead of allowing us time to seeking out career advancement. And by trying to gut Social Security.
Really, do you read anything, like actually read it? Or are you just skimming to pass the time?
Stabenow is the Designated Hero, much the same as Leiberman et al are the Designated Villains. Wasn’t it actually that POS Nelson (D) that is to blame? Stabenow’s just covering dem ass pointing at mean reps while Frank and Dodd give blowjobs to bankers in the cloak room.
Look! Look over there!
Blah.
Your argument assumes the Democrats actually care. Now I have no doubt some do, but it’s obvious that most don’t, or they would be doing exactly as you’ve outlined.
Hey Kris are you in NORCAL??
Mark Russell used to say the Republicans believe that your rights begin at conception and end …. at birth.
At some point in the past few months, I went to Wikipedia’s “States by Population” page and totalled up the US citizens represented by Dems, as opposed to GOP senators.
It seems to me that something under 40% of the population was represented by GOP senators.
Between gerrymandering House seats, and the Senate Seniority Rules, secret holds, and filibusters, we’re pretty much hosed.
But if I were a Goldman Sachs lobbyist, a UBS lobbyist, or a munitions lobbyist, I’d want it that way to keep the electeds on a short leash.
The title is wrong. It should be “Why Are Senate Democrats
LettingHelping Republicans Ruin Our Economy?”Yes. East Bay.
Republicans and the Democrats — two sides of the same coin. Stabenow and Durbin can blame the Republicans all they want, but I blame them for their failure to work around all this crap the Republicans are pulling.
Somebody shit on the coats…
At least one of the bigger-name posters at the great Orange Satan is wondering if the Ds are trying to lose their majority. I’m wondering myself.
Also, Holder is apparently looking to prosecute ACORN for something, anything, even while he’s ignoring all the very real crimes committed by corp-rats and two administrations (including the one he’s in).
Because Senate Democrats’ paymaster don’t want it done either, and this lets the Senate Democrats off the hook and place the blame on Republicans.
aka: Kubiki
Yep.
Yes. Unbelievable. I am old enough to have been there once before. The Republicans haven’t changed one iota. They have theirs and those who don’t are defective.
Why are the dims not really doing anything to offset the rethug obstructionism? Because the dims want to fail at helping the “small people.” The dims are as much in the pockets of the corps as the rethugs, so they just rotate around. The problem is that the rethugs really have a goal of destroying the Constitution and the middle class; the dims don’t have any goal except doing as they are told by their handlers. If a dim loses in 2010, no problem; there is a fat lobbyist job waiting.
I sure don’t recall President Bush and the former Republican congressional majority getting stymied again and again by Democratic filibusters. The country would be much better off now if Bush had been stopped cold.
For the same reason that Obama and the rest of the Democratic officeholders are. Ultimately, they agree far more than they disagree with the Republicans. This is not a bug. It is a feature. We need to get used to it and start thinking past it.
Corporatist one and all stick together like bird of a feather. All the pols are well healed and have little to lose while the great masses are disenfranchised. The economy is glued to a recession.
Looking to have a meetup here in RWC 7-31 or 8-7.. If that works nahanter at the google mail place and let me know… Suzanne is working on making it…
And they would like us all to just get over it and DIE!!
Very sad to see Ed Shultz saying on his show how we just need 4 more good Democrats. While that would be nice we don’t need a damn thing just a demand that Democrats end the nonsense.
Your right! We need jobs. So who is hiring right now? BP? Who else? Why is it that so many narrow minded conservatives think that people are unemployed intentionally? It is the same thing I heard constantly during the health care debate. “I don’t want to pay for those LAZY POOR people to have health care.” In their head POOR = LAZY. Why else would they be poor? Why else would they be unemployed? They must be lazy right?
Yes I’m sure there are people who are perfectly content to be on unemployment. There will always be those kinds of people in the world. But now, especially now, there are millions of people who were working and want to be working, but there are no jobs for them. Now many of them are going to lose their unemployment and their healthcare if they even have that.
The wealthiest Americans wrecked the economy and the rest of us suffer for it. Republicans blocked healthcare at every turn, they did all they could to block finance reform and now they block the jobs bill. The JOBS bill, when people need JOBS. What I don’t understand is why the threat of a filibuster is all it takes. Why not make them actually do it? Nothing is getting done in the Senate anyway. I think that forcing the filibuster to take place on this bill would be the smartest thing democrats could do right now. Why not make them stand up in front of the cameras and read books and do whatever they intend to do to stop the process. Maybe some of the ignorant masses who vote for these greedy a-holes will lose the only income they have now and will take notice of who took it. Maybe, but I doubt it.
That’s not in the script :)
This post makes the huge assumption that Democratic policies will improve the economy. Up until this vote, Democrats have largely gotten exactly what they wanted on the economy. Yet, not only don’t we see much of an improvement, but the chance of heading toward a double dip.
Let me point out that after the huge crash of 1987, there was no big recession. So, the bank problem can’t be blamed totally for no recovery and a general malaise.
Aside from that, when did the real crash occur? Yeah, that’s right. The week after Dems in the House played politics, especially Pelosi, and didn’t pass the bailout. Dems could have passed on their own in the House, but didn’t want to take political heat and wanted to pass political heat on.
Now, you might say some heat should have been on the GOP, but isn’t delaying a bill in order to pass on the heat playing politics?
Aside from that, since Dems were in charge of the banking committees for nearly two years prior and never sounded any kind of warning bell–at least that the general public heard clearly–they certainly also deserved some heat.
We all know the the unemployment benefit extension will be passed. The delays simply points out that Dems have no intention of handling the deficit except by raising taxes. That may be good or bad, but at least the public should know it clearly.
The public will also know that the GOP is willing to delay the extension for the purpose of getting an offset.
so, in Nov. they will judge which is the approach they favor.
The pathetic game that the Democrats play to keep their corporate gravy train rolling while appearing to be the champions of the little guy has been laid so bare in the last 2 years that all but the dumbest of stumps can see it. Unfortunately, the Reagan education system has seen to it that a great preponderance of stumps have yet to be plowed under in this country. When the oil industry and a couple of Republican governors can tell the federal government to shove it up the rear with regard to a temporary drilling moratorium, you know big business has completely taken over. And guess what? I think the Obama Administration is playing the same DC game in this instance. They really don’t want a moratorium, they just want some one else to take the blame for ending it. What is worse, a party that openly supports perpetual war, or one that will allow it because they don’t want to rock the military industrial complex’s oil rig? It is time for them to go.
Spoken like the truly clueless, not to mention employed. Hey, how many “unaffordable mortgages” do you suppose are being kept up with on 320 dollars a week? I’m going to self moderate here…
Ya might as well vote Green because these dems aint worth shit. At least with rethugs in you are under no delusion that we are in a world-a-hurt.
But, but Mr Bipartisan is trying to work with them! It’s not their fault that he doesn’t know the Republican definition of “compromise”. /s
We just advertised a very part-time job that pays not much. It’s an ok job but very entry level. Needless to say we were Flooded with resumes within the first 15 min of putting it on Craig’s list. We got so many resumes in the first 16 hours that we only posted it for 24 hours.
MOST of the resumes we got were waaaaaaaaay overqualified for this job. However, we feel so sad and sorry (yes, useless feelings) bc we know what this signifies: people are out of work and desparate for anything. Wish I had a dozen more jobs at good wages to offer.
It’s disheartening to hear conservatives (mostly) still whining about the poor and dissing unemployed as if they’re just lazy bludgers out to milk the system. That’s certainly not what’s happening.
I heard a blip of a report on NPR the other day – there was a comment about how much US businesses were quite “cash rich” these days, but allegedly due to “fear” were not creating any new jobs. I thought: yeah right! The lack of job creation is not due to “fear.” Indeed, jobs are not being created bc our corp overlords are looking for any way to force US workers into cruddy low-paying jobs in unsafe conditions. More $$$ for the fat cats, and the rest of us can work ourselves into an early grave.
Democrats don’t give a $***. They aren’t into “stopping” or “letting” the Republicans do whatever… they’re working hand in glove with Republicans, and whatever is “happening” in Congress right now is EXACTLY the way the Obama Admin and all of the Democrats want it to happen. Make no mistake: this is what the Democrats WANT. It’s their show.
Wonder whether the still-employed and still-home-owning have considered what’s likely to happen to their homes’ market values as those losing unemployment benefits are forced to sell their homes, at the rate of 25,000+ new listings coming onto the market per week.
That’s the only thing they may have considered but unfortunately being conservative not only means being a bit of a sociopath, it also means being unlikely to be able to imagine the future impact of current events.
Agree with your assessment in all other aspects, and nicely put I might add, but I don’t think they’re connecting ending UI with sending their own mortgages upside-down.
I fully believe that many Democrats are gleeful about the continuing Republican filibuster because they want to use it to cudgel Republicans with in November.
What a phenomenal misread of recent history. You must have been educated in Texas.
Nope. They lack the imagination to have foresight.
I was educated in Texas, thank you.
But of course!
Wasn’t creepy Rahm on the Sunday shows recently admonishing us all about why it would be ever so much worse if Republicans were in charge right now??
I didn’t bother to listen further than that. That’s all I needed to hear. Pfffffffffftttttttttttzzzzzzzzzz (Margaret: I leave it to you to fill in the blank, m’dear).
Yeah really.
But otoh, the super rich would LOVE it (seriously) if all of those unemployed people barely hanging on had to up & sell their homes at pennies on the dollah. LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE it!!!
So just put that in yer pipe and smoke it.
I really think that’s part of the reason why the “big” scum want to wring blood out of the turnip and for-real turn folks into hobos and bums.
If their homes go on the market cheeeeaaaappp, these scum will be there with CASH to buy & hold. Seriously, in large parts of CA these days, the really cheap houses are all gone; the prices overall have climbed recently; and I think that may be true in other parts of the country.
My friends here in CA who work in real estate (and I’m just going on word of mouth gossip type of info) keep telling me about buyers swooping down on the low prices homes, creating bidding wars, and paying the whole price in cash.
The super rich really want to take the biggest advantage of this downturn that they possibly can and make as much $$$$$$ as they can. And if someone gets sick or dies or becomes homeless, then they revert to Dick Cheney’s mantra: SO??????!!!!?????
LMAO! If Rahm was on the Sunday shows, then I missed him. All the more reason not to watch that crappola.
Of course! To the rich, everything is a money making opportunity, every action is judged on how profitable it is and every person is judged on how much money he or she has. On Star Trek, they are called Ferengi.
lol
Margaret, are you trying to put me out of a job? ;)
And just for giggles and sh*t, John McCain stars again on Meet The Press Sunday – *rolls eyes*
I think they are in on it together. It is crazy vs corrupt. It is a long standing pattern good cop bad cop. You could see it in the Keyes vs Obama Senate race. Reid is a piece of shit but they just happened to find a crazy opponent now so all you dems will slavishly vote for him, like good little sheep. They collectively forcing the lesser evil choice. This is why I am green now. I believe if the crazies win their masters will rein them in. If the sane but corrupt dems win their same masters will prevent them from governing on the platform they won on. I simply will not except the crazy vs corrupt choice. I won’t play their game. I vote green.
Indeed. It might’ve even been last Sunday, perhaps in response to have fantabulously O was dealing with the BigOil crisis (even as Tony Hayward was shrieking “let them eat cake” from his snobby yacht) – comparing O “positively” to mean old Barton, who apologized to BP.
Kabuki much? Waste of the space time continuum, and I got better things to do on a Sunday am than listen to s*** on a shingle.
Of course not! I spend my time on the talking head thread, rather than watching the actual talking heads. I’d rather enjoy intelligent conversation as opposed to the babble of the PVC bobbleheads.
High FIVE! and Ten points for Ferengi reference, although to compare these parasitic vermin to Ferengi is disrespectful to Ferengi.
ACK! Not Walnuts!
Q. Why Are Senate Democrats Letting Republicans Ruin Our Economy?
A. Because both major parties are on the same team that represents rich people, who would rather let working families and the poor starve and freeze because they don’t want to pay more taxes.
Isn’t it time to stop treating politics like a team sport. Don’t focus on party affiliation. Look at the interests that are being promoted. In other words, wake up.
Well, not quite. My sister is a RE agent, and actually there is a huge huge amount of ‘short sale’ inventory that’s already nominally on the market, and listed at very low prices. But it isn’t really being sold. The real estate industry owners of them are waiting for something to change in the market, or the law, because if they actually sell the houses at these low prices, then they will be forced to admit their aggregate corporate assets are worth a whole lot less than they’ve been saying they are for many years. In short, if they sell and realize the losses on their books, they’ll be bankrupt, so they’d rather delay that reckoning than get the money from the sale. So, lots and lots more houses going to short sale due to ending UI payments won’t necessarily make those houses available for rich people to scoop up until that dynamic changes — and in the meantime, the apparent oversupply of homes is driving down home valuations generally.
Most short sales fall out of escrow, often multiple times, because the REO seller doesn’t really want to sell. Another trend: More and more cash buyers of non-REO properties are making their deal, but then adding expensive demands afterwards in bids to force down their cost. Not decent.
Well said.
Interesting. As I said, it’s just what my friends had told me. I’ve heard that rumor for a while – that people were swooping in and snapping up the cheap properties for cash. But we all know how the rumor mill works.
That said, I’m sure the super wealthy won’t be sad to see RE values go down. Seriously. Most of the uber rich are well protected. Their property values won’t decrease that much, and some will make a killing on devalued properties if we go into the fabled double-dip.
Totally OT, but just a shout out to Australia who now has a female Prime Minister, Julia Guillard:
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/shell+shocked+Rudd+bows/3198977/story.html
Some dirty pool in terms of how she got in and Kevin Rudd got ousted. Still interesting to have the first woman PM of Australia. FYI And Aus still has troops in Afghanistan, btw.
Good point. Even Ferengi have the Rules of Acquisition, rich people have no such scruples.
It’s pretty pathetic when you make Ferengi look good! And these days, eh, well… Ferengi are looking like divine beneficent beings of enlightenment in comparison to the ugly uber wealthy of our planet.
Yep. Two words: False dichotomy. Republicans win. Democrats win. Their rich patrons win. The American people lose
I repeat, make them actually filibuster, instead of caving to the mere threat. Make them stand up and provide progressive campaign ads.
It’s a nice thought, but it’s all political theatre. The Democrats are doing exactly what they want to do, nothing more. They are just using the Republicans as “cover” or an excuse for their behavior. There’s really no difference between either party. All of these pols, esp at the federal level, are paid off by the corporations.
They are not there to represent you or me or any of the other “small people.” Their constituents are the fat cats and the MIC.
Off for Friday night hijinks and other fun stuff. Toodles to all at FDL and watch out for those high sky spy thingies….
behave yourself — or not :)
You are having a hard time understanding the meaning of “stimulus”. Unemployment insurance is a great creator of jobs. Almost all of that money gets spent on staying alive and that spending keeps local people working. An even more efficient stimulus is food stamps. Every penny is spent on groceries. What wastes stimulus money is stupid stuff, like tax cuts which just saved, that is taken out of circulation.
Peterr is upstairs!
First They Came For the Nuns, But I Didn’t Speak Up Since I was not a Nun
It’s more than that, they get to buy up all the resources of bankrupt america for a song. They are oligarchs, just like the Russian variety.
Thanks! Hadn’t seen the news about the Australian PM shakeup elsewhere on FDL and wondered. I’ve been following this news, but I didn’t see it as dirty pool. I rather see Rudd as their version of Obama following John Howard as their version of Bush. I wish we had our version of Julia Gillard here.
So I guess they’ll turn what’s left of the economy back on once they’ve bought up all the property and have us all herded into section 8 housing.
These folks are mafia. I really don’t see any room for negotiation with these types.
There’s a lot of rebellion going on these days, it just hasn’t hit the US yet.
Romanian’s stormed the presidential palace over new IMF austerity measures and riot police had to be called in to repel them. Fortunately for the Romanian public, thier courts have now ruled the new IMF austerity package unconstitutional.
Zero Hedge
BBC
There’s also been recent riots in Greece and Thailand. Particularly violent in Thailand’s case.
And based on what I’ve heard from Oliver Stones “South of the Border”, South America is in open revolt against the international bankers.
So I suppose that our banking parasites are running out of foreign hosts to suck dry so are redoubling thier efforts back here in the United States. They will likely push things beyond politically viable extreme’s here at home too.
The Democrats outnumber the Republicans by a great deal in both the House and the Senate! What is this, blaming tyranny of the minority? The Democrats should be passing loads of legislation, and would actually be able to do it if they attempted more moderate proposals that could attract even 1 single Republican.
By the way, give that little tidbit to Nancy Pelosi. A bill can’t be “bipartisan” if someone from the other party doesn’t support it.
Ever since we went off the agricultural economy we have depended upon the natural interest (and really greed) of businesses to hire people, invest in R&D and produce product they can sell for profit. So, letting the current situation ride without helping unemployed (who have no short-term opportunities) is to deny them life sustenance. They aren’t going back to the farms.
What is strange here is that the Republicans are using the filibuster so forcefully (a first) and that businesses don’t seem interested in the usual business activity and hiring.
In a free country we don’t force people to put their wealth at risk via business activity, so things have been turned upside down.
If all the business leaders are Republicans they can work in lock-step to destroy America, but for what? What do they gain? Already Obama has been hamstrung by the Republican filibuster. Is it that there are a few stray R senators who will work with Obama on this or that? Is it that their crazy radical ideas are too much for a few senators?
If we can suss out whether this is the game of businesses we can know whether things will soon change or if we must take more immediate forceful measures, such as the so-called nuclear option.
Saving the economy is only a way to protect Americans, so if other means are needed the government has no alternative. But, there’s no delight in acting without knowledge of what is going on in businesses.
Great Depression II was prevented. Dems got what they wanted because they had 60 D votes until Mass elected Scott Brown. Since then it has been hit & miss and watered down legislation which passed.
And, the bigger thing in some ways is this — since when do banks not lend and businesses not hire? This is a first isn’t it?
Dems have cut taxes for 95% of Americans. There’s no indication they want to raise it. You just make up crap.
Dems like to be responsible with the budget (Clinton balanced it), so some spending cuts are good. I suggest cutting Defense, what do Republicans go with? They simply say “No”.
Give us a judge who will let the moratorium go on and just watch.
Being able to pound Republicans may be rewarding, but being able to pass needed legislation and get appointments through is even better.
captjjyossarian:
There’s a lot of rebellion going on these days, it just hasn’t hit the US yet..
Truth is…it never will. We have a general populace that is asleep and drugged by the shiny objects that are dangled in front of them to keep them complacent and quiet. If the events that surround us everyday, day in and day out are not enough to stir the anger and angst into action and conscious refutation of the bullshit, then sadly nothing will.
Can we at least STOP fooling ourselves…there is no fucking difference between the Dems and Repubs…they are all like jackals, mesmerized by the kill, only difference is what pack they eat and shit with.
If we are really honest with ourselves and look deep inside that place we do not want to recognize, we know the game is well on it’s way to be over. The darkness has not reached it’s peak, and we waste time talking about when it is finally going to arrive in all it’s sick glory.
When the darkness blinds us all, the only way to find your path out is to light the flame of justice and rebellion! As I remember history, that’s how the damn country was established.
Precisely. This is why the Republicans are killing UI benefits — they know it would help the economy.
Why, you ask? Because they are simply a pack of nutless, gutless, bastards. Show me where I’m wrong.
You are right. They really think we are stupid. If the dems wanted to get this done they cld. They dont want to do it it either and are happy to blame the republicans for this.
It will, but it may take some time. In living memory, we haven’t felt IMF style pain the way that some of these other countries have.
If the elites keep it up, the anger will grow in expodential fashion. They could probably have gotten away with trashing the bottom half but instead they decided to trash the bottom 99%.
Simple:
The Republicans AND Democrats are simply the “curtains” the “wizard of OZ” (corporations) hide behind.
When we are looking for the wizard on the “right”, he is hiding behind the “left” curtain.
When we are looking for the wizard on the “left”, he is hiding behind the “right” curtain.
Bottom line:
Neither party is on “our” (the people’s) side.
“The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of [private cartel] lending institutions and moneyed incorporation’s.” – Thomas Jefferson
The federal reserve runs this country. When Americans figure this out, we will be able to break down the system that sucks. And sucks. Somebody with balls should get on the highest mountain and scream. The fed spends our money, and we are not even allowed a peak into this unconstitutional scam. The fed is nothing but bankers helping out bankers. This is Woodrow Wilsons baby.