(The following is the text of my speech at the Personal Democracy Forum on Thursday June 3, 2010 in New York City — jh)
Thank you to Andrew and Micah for inviting me to be here today, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak on today’s topic: “Can the internet fix politics?” Which raises the obvious question – who broke it?
I guess this is the appropriate moment to mention what an honor it is to follow Newt Gingrich.
Moving right along – well, whether the internet can “fix” politics does depend on what you think is wrong with politics. And as someone who has spent the past several years working in online activism, I would say that the problems in our political system are monumental and spin out from what I call the Cycle of Decay:
Not to be overly melodramatic, but at the moment, it’s becoming more and more apparent that corporate America and political elites of both parties are locked in an embrace that threatens to scuttle the world economy, the environment and our system of representative democracy.
And we don’t even have a language to talk about it. We measure every political debate along a right-left axis, with rhetoric left over from the culture wars of the 90s. But in doing so, we’re firing past the true villains — the Masters of the Universe who skillfully manipulate tribal prejudices to insure that it is their interests, and not those of the public, that are the ones always being served.
So how does this system work? Well, it starts with crony capitalism –defined as “an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between businesspeople and government officials.”
And are they ever close. During the past decade the most hotly contested political battle in Washington DC has not been over gay rights or abortion or taxes or the war – it’s been the battle for PhRMA’s money.
When George Bush was in the White House Congress passed Medicare Part D, with the caveat that the government couldn’t negotiate for pharmaceutical prices. Now how does a Congress obsessed with “fiscal responsibility” pass a law forcing the government to pay whatever price an industry want to charge them?
And yet, they did.
So when the Democrats took back Congress in 2006, they made a big show of passing drug price negotiation, championed by Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama. But since George Bush would never sign it, there was no danger of it actually passing.
And when Barack Obama could sign it, the Democrats cut a deal with the pharmaceutical companies that guaranteed there would be no prescription drug price negotiations – in exchange for the low low price of $150 million in political advertising.
At the time, my blog FDL was engaged in an online campaign to provide competition and control health care costs by passing the public option – something that 80% of the country, the President and a majority in both houses said they supported. But as I watched the debate on the Senate floor with my colleague Jon Walker, we shook our heads in dismay and realized the problem was much bigger than we’d ever imagined. It was clear that there was nobody on either side of the aisle who was willing to tell the truth and speak up for the people they were elected to represent, and that overwhelming popular support is not a factor in passing legislation.
The public never heard about the true struggle that drove the health care debate because the national media and the political dialog is incapable of much above the level of demagoguery. And in the end, the blogs that had been powerful independent voices during the Bush era became largely subsumed by partisan dynamics.
But the deal that drove $300 billion into PhRMA‘s coffers is not an isolated example. They are the rule, not the exception. And what do companies do when they know their profits are thus guaranteed?
That their markets are protected from competition?
That no matter what kind of a mess they make, they can just take those profits and plow a small fraction of them back into the political system, and lay their losses off on the taxpayers?
They take excessive risk, knowing they will never have to pick up the tab if things go wrong.
It inevitably leads to disaster.
The damages from the BP oil spill could easily go into the tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars. Yet top BP executives felt free to take big gambles with safety and the environment because Congress had capped the liability of the oil companies at $75 million. There was no downside.
And so these companies become incentified by our political system to take risks — risks with terrible consequences.
In 2008, the excessive risk-taking of Wall Street banks brought the entire world economy to the verge of collapse or so we were told. Congress moved with bipartisan swiftness unseen since the Terry Schaivo crisis to approve emergency bailout funds.
If I leave you with one thought today, I hope it is this: in 2009, the Center for Responsive Politics reported that banks who received TARP funds spent $77 million on lobbying and $37 million on federal campaign contributions.
Their return on investment was 258,449 percent.
We are rewarding failure with the funds they use to further bribe and contort our political system. We are pouring concrete into our problems. Small businesses may be building better mousetraps, but they can’t bring them to market because the megacorps are gaming the system. The companies that could drive economic growth and create jobs are stifled as the incentive for competition and innovation is extinguished.
That is a problem that cannot be solved on either the right or the left alone, because both the Democrats and the Republicans play critical roles in perpetuating it.
During the health care debate, Republicans demagogued “socialism” to kill competition in form of the public option that the insurance companies didn’t want. Then it was left to the Democrats to pass the insurance mandate to guarantee their market, strip out language that would make them subject to anti-trust laws, and guarantee profits by prohibiting prescription drug price negotiation or reimportation.
Likewise, the banks weren’t crazy about paying into a fund that would absorb some of the costs should they find themselves in trouble again. And it came straight out when the GOP started screaming about it. But the banks wanted to make sure that if they DID get into trouble that the taxpayers would be there for them, so once again the Democrats were left to bat cleanup.
So basically, after screwing everything up royally, the banks were allowed to write the very legislation that was supposed to safeguard the system and rein them in.
Why do people allow their representatives to do these things? How is it that they return them to office again and again even in the face of this open criminality?
One word: Tribalism.
If you won’t vote for several billion dollars in no-bid contracts for Halliburton to overcharge for monogrammed towels for soldiers in Iraq who don’t have sufficient body armor, you don’t support the troops. If you don’t support forcing Americans to pay 8% of their income to the insurance companies they hate, you obviously want Sarah Palin to be President. If you don’t support the agenda of your “tribe,” as determined by corporate money pouring through the coffers of validators in your respective interest groups, you’re a homophobe. Or a moonbat. A bigot or a teabagger. A baby killer, a godless socialist, an ignorant redneck or a tree-hugging hippie freak.
Now all of those things might well be true. But it rarely has anything to do with the outcome, which is almost always the same: Halliburton (or Chevron or Pfizer or Monsanto) gets what they want because to oppose the ability of the party leadership to rob you blind means the other side might win, and nothing could be worse than that.
The online world has been able to force some accountability by challenging party authority on both sides, carving out notable populist victories that have toppled corporatist politicians who voted for the bank bailout.
And I have to say that of late, the right has done a better job of it than we on the left have, and they’re scaring the daylights out of the Republican party.
But we’re doing our best to catch up.
Online populists on both the left and the right are vilified in the media for bucking party authority and for supporting “extremists,” as if those politicians who dub themselves “centrists” are anything other than radical corporate lackeys whose actions would have been considered criminal in another era.
But it’s unclear whether anyone elected to replace them will be immune from the institutional pressures that lead to exactly the same pattern of behavior. Without serious systemic change, it is unlikely.
Politics online is largely siloed on opposite sides of the right-left cultural divide, and as such our websites easily flooded flooded by party operatives who who frame the terms of the debate around advancing corporate interests. Thus we frequently redouble the limitations of the status quo rather than acting as an independent political force.
We did have one notable political success recently, in a hard fought battle to audit the federal reserve. Did you know that Congress can not audit the federal reserve? That JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon is on the board of the Fed, and he gets to know what goes on with the institution that prints our money, but the Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee can’t? A lot of people don’t know that.
The bill to audit the fed was championed by Republican Ron Paul and Democrat Alan Grayson:
We worked hard to whip support from libertarian and progressive leaders on both sides of the aisle. Bruce Fein and Grover Norquist made cause with Richard Trumka and James Galbraith. Freedomworks, the National Taxpayers Union and the John Birch Society joined with the Campaign for America’s future, US PIRG and Public Citizen. Conservative blog Red State, liberal blog Firedoglake and finance blogs like Zero Hedge and Naked Capitalism wrote about the subject diligently and raised the issue onto the radar of both parties.
We caught them in a pincer move:
And despite the fact that both the Fed and the Treasury lobbied against it, and Republican Senator Judd Gregg threatened to filibuster it as “dangerous populism,” in the end it passed: 96-0.
Five votes cast against it switched when they saw which way things were going. In the end, despite the furious well-funded lobbying of the banks, everyone in both parties was afraid to vote against it. The Republicans were terrified of what had just happened to Bob Bennett, which cut off the ability of our “centrists” to triangulate against the left and find refuge in “principled conservatism.” They all just looked like hacks for the banks.
It won’t work in every instance. Right and left do have major substantive disagreements about social issues, as well as the appropriate role of government in our lives, that can’t be papered over by wishful thinking.
But by making peer-to-peer connections that obviate the need for intercession of an elite media who intuitively serve the interests of the Masters of the Universe, the structure of the internet could potentially facilitate the trans-partisan alliance of outsiders capable of taking on insiders on discrete issues.
When corporate money is limited in its ability to influence political outcomes on one side, it simply achieves its objectives by flowing to the other side. And as long as the online world reinforces the tribalism that perpetuates the problems of partisan politics, the results will be the same.
I do have hope. But in order to have any real, lasting impact, online activists are going to have to change both the language and the terms of the debates. None of us can win the battle against a heavily armed corporate world by ourselves. We’re going to have to extricate ourselves, and our political dialogue, from the tribalism and demagoguery that facilitates corporate hegemony.
Because until we do, we are simply putting new tools in the service of the old order. And we will continue to lose.










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Wow, amazing speech Jane.
That “Cycle of Decay” graph really tells the tale. It reminded me of something Kevin Phillips wrote here a couple of years ago:
History suggests — Spain, Holland, UK — that in the late stages of leading world economic powers, interest group power and/or messed up parties keep politics second rate and prevent effective leadership from emerging or taking power.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/16/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-kevin-phillips-bad-money/
oh my ya done good. some stark and beautifully woven clarity here.
thanks for posting it Jane
one of my all time favorite FDL moments
x2
good stuff stuff Jane. I remember all the big promise from Pelosi than from Obama and all the liberal groups about “fixing” Medicare Part D. Now that they should have the votes to all I hear is crickets.
Thanks for this, Jane. I find it telling that while many tribalists and corporatist apologists attack you, you and FDL are getting more attention, and more leverage — and drawing the attention of ethical and talented persons like Tony Collings.
Brava!
Well thanks. This all seems good and true to me.
Why is it that you won’t even mention the campaign finance issue, all that. Is it just so obvious an issue to you that it’s not even worth listing? Or do you view it as a totally lost cause, and don’t even want to go there?
Great, great speech, Jane.
love slide #13, by the way. Hope that got a great laugh.
Jon, yeah, they were playing us for rubes. They make promises, but its funny how things completely out of their control always prevent them from following through. I’m sure they feel terrible about it! Its like that Jim Carrey movie, The Truman Show, anytime the poor guy wants to leave his hometown/reality TV set, something always seems to come up to stop him (nuclear plant accident, inclement weather, etc).
I guess this situation calls for basic game theory. Stakeholders with 1. a strong position (that is, they haven’t “pre-negotiated” away anything), 2. who are completely committed (e.g. won’t flinch in the end Kucinich-style) and 3. can wait until the moment of maximum leverage to state their demands, have the stars and planets most in their favor, metaphorically speaking. :o)
http://skippyrecords.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/applied-game-theory-part-1/
Bloc voting (in either the House or Senate) is the simplest way to do this. but after the House Progressive Caucus’s embarrassing cave-in, I don’t see how any Member could trust any other not to dive into a foxhole at the first sound of thunder. I hate to use Jim Bunning and his games with unemployment checks as a role model, but his withholding of unanimous consent, for legislation that the leadership really wanted, is the surest model for getting reform legislation through. One senator could do this, but the more the merrier… Every bill, hell, every request for unanimous consent, ask for something small, even inconsequential at first. Condition the leadership to expect that if the request for, say, a CBO scoring or a simple floor amendment isn’t granted (such a small thing), then you’re withholding unanimous consent on everything.
And then one fine day, when (for example) the Treasury is about to hit the debt ceiling, that’s when you ask for something unreasonable. If nothing else, that would definitely move the ball forward with filibuster reform. :o)
Any pics of Newts face when you said that:)
Great stuff Jane.
Yes. We must move to act outside the tribalisms of partisan politics if we can hope to achieve the essentials for the common good.
Glenn Greenwald has a take worth noting.
“Who are the real “crazies” in our political culture?”
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/28/crazy/index.html
BRILLIANT! i am in awe. This should be a game-changer, where we start using different language to describe and discuss our world-view issues. Tremendous kudos, Jane!
Jane!!
Absolutely great speech!
Standing on my desk clapping!!!
We don’t have a language to talk about it because Newt always screams Class Warfare. Right and Left are puppets who pretend to fight each other.
But America cannot afford to ignore the puppet master anymore.
Divide and Conquer is the Puppet Masters plan when Rome stopped acting for the beterment of all Romans and started acting to manipulate the Roman Mob with Bread, Circuses and scapegoat Christians being thrown to the lions Rome lost good government.
Immigrants are the new scapegoats but Welfare is still GOP code for African Americans.
BP’s costs could spiral to $3bn if oil leak is not plugged
If I’m reading this correctly and the reporter isn’t misstating things, they’re only planning on keeping up cleanup efforts (such as they are) until the leak stops.
Outstanding speech, Jane.
I recall some months ago 12? Jane made a light case for joining forces with the T’baggers when their main peeve was the Wall street bailout. Her attempt was, sadly, greeted with much derision.
I’m glad that the notion of building upon a bipartisan discontent is gaining momentum.
The perception alone of the right and left finding common ground against the center will force the Government’s perfidy into the open, and give the critters nightmares of whizzing vertical blades.
I hope that Jane can make an alliance with Ron Paul on specific, mutually agreed upon issues. Throw out the non-essential crap and concentrate on what unites us.
thank you, Jane!
Oh, Jane this is absolutely remarkable. In one speech, you have encapsulated all that’s wrong with our politics and how the right kind of activism might be able to fix it.
I’m so proud to be on your team, you are an amazing person.
Crony Capitalism has another problem genetics No Crony is allowed to Fail thus are inbred Elite weakens their gene pool.
Imagine if a Farmer instead of putting his best bull out to stud let his weakest bull out to stud because his father was the best bull now imagine what happens to the herd after a few generations.
Or if you will look at Bush and son to see the jump from below average President jumped to worse President ever in just a generation.
Bush 2 lost two wars and destroyed our economy, Hoover did destroy the economy more but he didn’t lose 2 wars.
Nice job. Clear. Even hippies want to ‘win’.
The destruction of the economy is still running it’s course, second dip on the horizon and much more to come. Although by retaining Summner, Geithner et all, it will be Obama’s depression and rightly so.
THANK YOU JANE !!
“These common speculations about a global shift of power, which you can read all over the front pages, disregard a crucial factor that’s familiar to all of us: nations divorced from the internal distribution of power are not the real actors in international affairs. That truism was brought to public attention by that incorrigible radical Adam Smith, who recognized that the principal architects of power in England were the owners of the society—in his day, the merchants and manufacturers—and they made sure that policy would attend scrupulously to their interests, however grievous the impact on the people of England and, of course, much worse, the victims of what he called “the savage injustice of the Europeans” abroad. British crimes in India were the main concern of an old-fashioned conservative with moral values.
To his modern worshippers, Smith’s truisms are ridiculed as, quote, “elaborate theories of how world history was being manipulated by shadowy corporatist/imperialist networks.” I’m quoting New York Times thinker David Brooks. It’s one of the many illustrations of the intellectual and moral decline of what’s called “conservatism” from the understanding of its heroes.
From here.
And how many realize that “the corporation should be identified with the management; the shareholders are irrelevant, just like the rest of the public. ”
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/full/134/7/989
Yes the leaders the elite become parasites that kill the host. National Healthcare saves the country money but it hurts insurance company profits.
I don’t care who I pay money to the Government or the insurance companies I pay money because I want to live longer and National Health Insurance does that for much less money.
I want to but Medicine from American drug companies for the same price as people pay in Mexico and Canada.
I don’t see why Guys like Newt and Rush want Commies like Kim Jong il to pay less money for their Viagra then they do. Can’t they see the Commies are laughing at them?
Banks got a bailout because they lost money gambling but now they are back at the tables why guys like Newt and Obama lack the Leadership ability to tell rich guys who buy them gifts/fund their campaigns No!
Great, great stuff. Tribalism and authoritarian in-group identification, especially (and not accidentally) on the Right, is something that humans have always had to contend with, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take it on as a challenge!
Thank you, Jane.
Have you considered expanding your audience? Maybe submitting this to the major newspapers as an Op-Ed piece?
After, of course, fixing typos such as the following:
Great speech Jane. Almost worth putting up with Newt Gingrich to hear. :-)
This needs to be cut and pasted onto every board where a stupid “debate” is taking place, where tribalism (as you aptly put it) is manifest. Which is just about everywhere.
When is the question and what form will it take bank failures, oil price hikes, Credit Default swaps, Greece Ireland, Italy defaulting on their debt, a Hedgefund failure like Long Term Capital Management?
Lack of consumer spending from no jobs, BP’s oil spill kills fishing and tourism jobs from Florida to Texas?
We have so many problems that can sink our economy that we can’t keep track of them all.
concur…
Well addressed and illustrated Jane…stay with it…
First line of attack must be to take out the money politics–one dollar equals one vote is pure erosion of public business done on merit and valid premise.
Secondly — put in firewalls to fully criminalize conflicts of interests,revolving door governance sweetheart practices and subversion of public interest by corporates,economic aristocracy and capitalist gamers.
Thirdly — make all national office elections six month start to finish contests and put in place three day election day holidays. Promote new political party construction and limit current two party influences on how elections are done or conducted. Media markets for state/federal political campaigns given over to pure public service — not on for sale or for profit premise.
We need to grow and cultivate a better American Democracy.
Stop the sellouts. Grow the buy-ins.
One of Chomsky’s best imo. Our libertarian friends should listen to the last 10-15 minutes in particular.
Great Speech Jane!
Just Brillant!
My question is whether the FDL community will get engaged more than merely on the comments thread?
Is there a plan, ideas, or just a correctly distilled and encapsulated state of affairs?
just asking.
Thanks for being so tenacious, Jane. My best wishes for a successful future of educating the internet masses.
That’s why this moment needs to be optimized through active engagement, – a la Freedom Flotilla?
The shareholders aren’t exactly irrelevant as they’re often used as mute dummy human shields — “Don’t get in my way, or the shareholder value gets it!”
Ron and Rand have upped the stakes on racism I vote we dump them.
As you say, these issues are still mostly framed by a conservative narrative.
I wrote up a positive proposal for framing a progressive approach to the corporate takeover of government which is linked below.
The basic idea is to extend the ‘checks and balances’ narrative for the fed. government to the country as a whole:
http://theforvm.org/diary/catchy/checks-and-balances-–-progressive-economic-folk-theory
Perhaps more to the point, Rand’s lost them both a ton of supporters, so in any next fight that camp has less moxie to potentially be leveraged.
Sorry, I thought it was Obamaco negotiating the Phama deal for gelt yet to be determined and Obama playing fast and furious with the truth regarding the public option, and Obama pushing for expanded drilling.
When Congress, and by extension courts are stuffed by Corporate leaning judges/justices and the White House and Cabinet are in the pocket of Oil, Wall Street, Banksters, et al, the process of reform is all but dead. By the time a political rises to national prominence, she/he is already corrupted.
Jane organized us to show up to town halls notice that after us and the Unions started showing up more the Tea Baggers stopped bringing guns.
We need an issue and a target I’m think more Jobs or end the war. Of course if the oil keeps leaking on election day BP will be the target.
Imagine all the oil companies profits going toward Social Security instead of CEO raises. People besides us are talking about Nationalizing the oil companies.
Respectfully, I disagree. What you seem to be suggesting is holding to the same principles that keep us in this mess, just manipulating the same objects slightly differently. We need a restructuring based on reason and the principles of liberalism, as defined especially well by Lakhoff.
Agreed1
You sound like you just showed up last week.
You should know better than that.
(Some of us are tired of being expected to fight in every f*cking battle.)
On point as usual, Jane
Well, here is a constructive proposal for dealing with our runaway oil spill problem: Atlas Plugged – Plugging the Gulf Oil gusher with the works of Ayn Rand.
Yes, I really think people need to take tribalism out of it. People seem to forget (or weren’t even aware to begin with) the vast political differences of the revolutionaries who formed the USA. Those who declared Independence and fought the Revolution were not all of one political mind. I also think for a long time after that it was about ideology rather than tribalism, which honestly disagreeing about ideology is far better than engaging in gamesmanship where winning is an end itself and as such makes one highly subject to manipulation.
concentrate!
read the link I furnished above and come back with a solid crit of Greenwald’s article, please!
Truly impressive Jane.
I might be going out on a limb here, but I get the feeling that in a way, you are interpreting Chomsky for the masses. That is, our language has been purposely damaged/degraded by those who profit from our inability to communicate with each other, and for that reason we need to invent/reinvent our language in such a way as to circumvent the obsticles to finding common cause.
I can understand you explanation better than I’ve ever understood Noam, at first glance I’d say your explanation is less abstract, and more simply illustrated.
One point Jane unlike the Great Depression the cycle seems to have not reversed itself after failing instead its getting worse.
AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Tremendously impressive pesentation, Sister Jane, the analysis of where we are and the immediate structural condition of the political economy is not only accurate but elevates the discussion beyond “who does what to whom and for how much”. I do, however want to caution you about legitimizing the pseudo-libertarians as populists who represent their own interests. Our politics is proken because we have no dialectic between ideological positions in our established party system…but a dialectic DOES exist within the non-corporate and non-fascist political grouping intra-party between the corporatist Democrats and everyone else on the left in the Democratic Party and outside it on the left.
This next election could very well create the space for real political restructuring with the growth of a real progressive populist bloch in the people’s House of Representives. Anti-corporatism is the road to winning elections and OBama will discover that or Howard Dean will be the Democratic Presidential nominee running against Gen. Patraeus.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE AREN’T ANY CHOICES LEFT!!
Alcohol can be a gas.
Greenwald:
Last night, the crazy, hateful, fringe lunatic Ron Paul voted to repeal the Clinton-era Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy
In 2003, the crank lunatic-monster Ron Paul vehemently opposed the invasion of Iraq, while countless sane, normal, upstanding, good-hearted Democrats — including the current Vice President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Senate Majority Leader, House Majority Leader, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, and many of the progressive pundits who love to scorn Ron Paul as insane — supported the monstrous attack on that country.
In 2008, the sicko Ron Paul opposed the legalization of Bush’s warrantless eavesdropping program and the granting of retroactive immunity to lawbreaking telecoms, while the Democratic Congress …
Paul, who apparently belongs in a mental hospital, vehemently condemned America’s use of torture from the start, while many leading Democrats were silent …
The crazed monster Ron Paul also opposes the war in Afghanistan, while the Democratic Congress continues to fund it and even to reject timetables for withdrawal. Paul is an outspoken opponent of the nation’s insane, devastating and oppressive “drug war” …
There’s no question that Ron Paul holds some views that are wrong, irrational and even odious. But that’s true for just about every single politician in both major political parties (just look at the condition of the U.S. if you doubt that; and note how Ron Paul’s anti-abortion views render him an Untouchable for progressives while Harry Reid’s anti-abortion views permit him to be a Progressive hero and even Senate Majority Leader)….
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/28/crazy/index.html
It’s not
left->Right
it’s
Money
..I..
..V..
Labor
The enemy we are dealing with never sleeps, I don’t think it would be wise to expose your plans to them.
Obama is the perfect example.
Obama walk and talk like a Progressive during the 2008 campaign. (Progressives followed his words, we should have been following the money. If the elites and corporations feared him, he would never have raised so much money)
The elites know what everyone else refuses to acknowledge, you can say and do anything, act like a democrat, act like a tea bagger, act like a progressive, who cares, once you get to congress you will transform into a corporate puppet.Like Jane said not one Dem or Rep, voted for drug importation, or giving the govt the power to negogiate for drugs, and at the end of the day Conservadems and Republicans want to call themselves Deficit Hawks.
To beat this enemy you must control the MOB. (like in the movie Gladiator, politics today is about controlling the MOB, Fox News has a Mob it controls and MSNBC has a MOB it controls, Rush Limbaugh has a Mob he controls, etc.. etc.)
I would suggest
Capital
vs
Labour
Today on Democracy Now, Amy Goodman interviewed Colonel (Ret.) Ann Wright, who was on one of the relief boats trying to break the Gaza blockade. Col. Wright’s first comment, before answering Amy’s questions was:
We need to be the people on those boats, IMO. A handful of people deliberately took bold action–some risking and losing their lives–to say that we, the people, won’t stand for this anymore. We need to form our own flotillas that capture national and international attention, however we do it. Not only do we need to find new definitions, we need to find new actions.
Mussolini had a mob, and in the end they hung him from a light pole.
Mobs are fickle.
“The enemy we are dealing with never sleeps, I don’t think it would be wise to expose your plans to them.”
Oh come, Pnac, Brzezinski, et all, – they are hiding nothing. Question is, can we do more than just commandeer keyboards? Although perhaps that is what FDL is, and then that’s quite fine.
I would love to see the reaction of the MSM to a protest where the left and right come together and show their displeasure of their government.
Brzezinski, openly expressed that fear. (on youtube, in london, I believe)
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/28/crazy/index.html
You want us to stand with Ron when immigration in AZ is looking to be the biggest issue this election? Can the Dems win without Hispanics Nationally?
Do you think Hispanic voters even the ones who don’t want more immigrants in the country want to have to carry papers around all the time or risk being deported?
In politics you win by having more of your voters show up on election day than the other guy.
Tea Baggers vs Hispanic voters make a choice FDL.
Along with his girlfriend. Tough crowd.
The rest of the world is making their own alcohol and not importing oil or sharpening their swords to go take it from others or poking the bottom of the sea with abandon. Bioremediation with mycelium and kelp farms – close all oil rigs, nationalize Chevron, Shell and BP.
“The elites know what everyone else refuses to acknowledge, you can say and do anything, act like a democrat, act like a tea bagger, act like a progressive, who cares, once you get to congress you will transform into a corporate puppet.”
It seems like it is going that way with Sestak. He talked a better game than Spectre in order to win the nomination and now he’s taking his marching orders from the WH – he’s not exactly coming off as someone who would be independent of the WH.
Chris Hedges wrote about this in stark terms in his last column. An excerpt:
“The liberal class has a misguided loyalty, illustrated by environmental groups that have refused to excoriate the Obama White House over the ecological catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico. Liberals bow before a Democratic Party that ignores them and does the bidding of corporations. The reflexive deference to the Democrats by the liberal class is the result of cowardice and fear. It is also the result of an infantile understanding of the mechanisms of power. The divide is not between Republican and Democrat. It is a divide between the corporate state and the citizen. It is a divide between capitalists and workers. And, for all the failings of the communists, they got it.”
http://www.truthout.org/chris-hedges-this-country-needs-a-few-good-communists60024
check my #54.
As an actual ‘godless socialist’, I find it somewhat amusing that being called such marks you for a political death sentence in this country.
Well, ok. Amusing and incredibly depressing. If you’re far enough to the left that you think we should tax income over a million dollars a little more steeply so that fewer children starve in the streets, you’re too far left, and if you don’t bow down before an invisible sky wizard, you’re some kind of evil, amoral, cut-up-the-neighborhood-kids-in-the-back-of-an-ice-cream-truck crazy.
more voters showing up to vote for what and whom? Status Quo?
Moral Equivalence? Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Progressive hero? Bwahahaha! Come on Fuckno you read the Lake google FiredogLake Harry Reid and Spineless and see how many hits you get.
No. The internet in itself is neither a force for good nor ill. Organizations can fix politics, but only if they have the right ideas.
I was here during the health care debate and saw the tendency to embrace the “public option” at the expense of ideas that could actually have embodied the “systemic change” that Jane talks about above. In FDL’s case, “public option” may have been a concession to “Libertarians” who don’t like government intervention on behalf of the working and middle classes, and would have been shocked at the idea of a single payer system. This is despite that Medicare for All had broad popular support in the US population generally. (In the comparable case of the blog Daily Kos, advocating Medicare for All went against most Democrats in Congress, so it was naturally impossible there as well.)
The “pincer movement” that Jane talks about has pluses and minuses, but one problem is that real “Libertarianism” is basically a marginal force, not an equal with leftism. On the other hand corporatism is not at all marginal. I think that what Jane is articulating here in some ways resembles third way Clinton-era triangulation, and is limited by the prison of having to organize online among a constituency that doesn’t reflect the US public generally. I’m not sure how we can change that. Starting new blogs must be part of it, but real live organizing must, I think, be the backbone.
HOO-Haw !!! ROFLMAO!
I don’t think anybody here thought Sestak would be any different than the run of the mill neoliberal. Getting rid of Spectre was worth it in the long run. One step at a time. We’ll deal with Sestak when the time comes. No overnight miracles runnin’ around.
Good catch. Yes.
Will video be available?
Yes, talk about the cause – NAFTA, and the solution, amnesty.
Blame the money for the problem,
blame the employers for exacerbating the problem,
blame the Rs for allowing the employers to exacerbate the problem,
then show mercy on the victims.
Been in a dreadful funk lately.
No nonsense. No hope.
Dash thru FDL multiple brief trips/day to read: nothing but the current horror, except the reportage is sterling, the commentary spot-on and I can trust and verify (Bless you even for this latter, alone, Jane)
Lost control of my temper in public 4 times in the last 3 days. Not me [ahem, the "public" me] *Left hand slaps other left hand*
Earlier in the week, stomped the bejeebers out of hopeful, innocent thistle patch – yes, down to and past the side-runners. All I got from that was premature fallen arches. Note to self: must not stomp at my age; gently ease the divils outta de wildfleurs afore they know they be targeted, easy…, easy.
The health care stuff nearly wiped me out of tears long ago and continuing. The oil prompted a bucket more – this from a person suffering “dry-eye” syndrome. No more? I vow to drink more water in the future.
Today too much time in the sun, trying to make the summer veg. crop think it’s not crammed into our new postage-stamp-sized puny-like result from monumental effort (don’t ask).
Came in for a semi-cool sip and checked the Lake……………
OMG. Missed the speech if it was even broadcast live, but thanks to the nets ………….. OMG [i'll catch up later this eve, savoring at my leisure what i dashed through just now]
From this older-than-dirt, stubborn campaigner for what is fair and honest and true and all those good things, one who has become so discouraged and nearly hopeless in the face of nonstop gummint&bidness GritLock, in the face of which so many of us feel utterly helpless and discouraged……..
Thank you, Jane. You may save this planet yet, if all those posturing wannabees would just listen, and decide to CARE for once in their lives.
You snapped me outta my current funk, and I look fwd to a quiet eve to savor your screed.
We in this household send you our greetings and best wishes. You are so special in this jaded old world.
Thank You!
Thanks. I didn’t wanna be the first to ask. *g*
How about responding to the other points: war, torture, warrantless eavesdropping, the Fed…?
Chris we criticize Obama here and the Democrats far better than the right does…we use facts and they make up shit to keep their anger junkies fed.
If anything the Conservatives should worry about the fact they haven’t had any new ideas since Reagan.
Also If we are reflexive deference to the Democrats then just why did the American People support the Public Option more than the Obama healthcare plan? Why do the American people support us more than Obama on Ending the War Now, or Creating more Jobs?
Where are the American people getting these ideas from the Democrats, the GOP, the Media Bwahahaha! its us Chris! We are in the drivers seat you and the rest of them are back seat driving.
Kind of purity argument there? IMHO there is great value in finding specific common interests among multiple identity constituencies, especially at this time of extreme consolidation of political control. No other way to attain majorities on many of the key issues.
Brava, Jane. Made me feel an optimism about governance I haven’t felt since HCR.
Just because the psychotic psychopathic libertarians vote occasionally for something we want does not nullify their pathology and danger to the culture they represent.
To toady to them would be no more than same old constituency bloc voting politics.
It’s not a purity argument. I just don’t think that “Libertarianism” is really a significant force in US politics. Maybe it is online where you have a lot of educated and comparatively well-off people, but generally, the two poles of politics on economic issues are corporatism and leftism.
I totally agree, MOBs are fickle but they keep people blind for short periods of time.
The young usually start revolutions,
When you look at the 60′s you see young making all the noise, MLK, JFK, has a huge following of young people.
People like Rush, FOX News, etc. try to keep the young calm and dumb. Fox News never talks about the negative effects of NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. they blame the Unions for Job Loss.
weird, isn’t it?! yes.
Dear Jane,
This is a really good piece. You hit on it so well with how cheaply our elected representatives sell us out. The part you spend less time with but has been very disappointing for me and that is the depth of their behavior in terms of what our elected representatives will sell–as in, anything. A fresh example of what’s for sale is the IDF shooting an American 4 times in the head and once in the chest on the gaza flotilla vis a vis the gov’t/MSM response.
Gotta do bad to get and keep power and gotta have power to do good. Do too much good and lose power. Your cycle of decay captures it nicely.
Thank you for your good work,
Conrad C. Elledge
Thank you Adie! I feel the same way.
Bingo
libertarianism is the organizing moral principle of our current economic system. It is what got us here. Indescribable evil has been done by those justifying their practices on its principles.
When labeled as such, It is not too successful in politics and winning elections because the majority of the people know how insane it is.
aw shoot! *tears again*
ya don’t unnerstand… ii don’t cry. dammit.
off to do stuff for awhile, but back to read later.
Jeebuz… I thought the post was incredible. Then I read the comments, particularly this one.
Degraded language has befuddled our thinking profoundly.
And since the ‘MSM’ have largely been the vehicle of communication, they tend to get slammed. However, it’s not that simple: earlier today I read a terrific McClatchy articlein which the McClatchy employees had taken a stack of MMS offshore drilling approvals and actually read them!
Once upon a time, that was called ‘investigative reporting’, IIRC.
And what kind of language did the McClatchy team discover in those MMS-approved oil drilling applications?
Boilerplate b.s.
(Yes, I realize everyone here is shocked… boilerplate b.s. Who knew?!)
There are links between the kind of language that we use, and what our politics can be.
We’ve been locked in a sports-reportage style of political reporting since I first paid attention…. Will the R’s or the D’s win/lose this race/issue/vote/state?
It makes the world black-white; us-them.
Jane, thanks for this gem of clarity.
The path forward needs new language to shape new ideas.
And quickly.
Thats hard to do when I’m thinking about going out tonight and I can’t find my ID. This hits me at home.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/puerto-rican-man-almost-deported-mexico
No I don’t plan to steal a car but yes I do worry about being picked up for being Brown in the wrong part of town. While I care about all those other things none of that effects me quite as much as this.
then toady on to the democrats and eat Hope.
Sestak is a Clinton Follower.
Specter is a what Dem, Rep, or Actor? Specter is the perfect example of todays politician just say anything to get elected, change parties, etc. etc. so you can maintain your status as Corporate Puppet.
Sestak is following the OBAMA play book, talk like a progressive during the campaign and once you get to congress tell the world you love Bipartianship, so you can govern like a Republican.
It funny how all Democrats now say you need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done on Capital Hill, Republicans never say they need 60 votes? uuuMMMMM can you say Corporate Puppets
Ok if Immigrants are found working at Mcdonalds or Wallmart again they should all go back to Mexico with all their stuff including their cars and 6 months pay. I have said this before a number of times. I think 6 months pay without the expense of living in America food, rent etc would be enough to give many people a nice new start in their home countries.
Plus the CEO’s should go to jail once CEO’s of big corporations go to jail then and only then will the law be enforced.
AZ just wants to stop us from voting on election day.
We Hamsher groupies have to stick together!
That’s because you lack the imagination to see what’s coming down the pike. Moreover, I do not suggest to sell out such deeply held beliefs, merely to assess whether a powerless R&R Paul is more likely to affect the quality of your existence then the Dems who run on nothing but Orwellian double speak.
Every Hispanic in the country knows its the GOP that does not want us voting. If they wanted to stop us from working then Newt and Ron could back jailing CEO’s that would end the problem overnight, but they are not doing that.
The GOP will pay Nationally this election for their stand on AZ.
Sestak has made no secret of his support for more-war in Afghanistan.
He is an imperfect vessel to be sure. I bet Bill Halter will be as well.
But they are today’s vessels, and the people they replace are today’s toadies. Should these vessels become tomorrow’s toadies, well — on it goes.
You are assuming we have no choice but to toady to someone. That is old tribal politics. Aligning with or pressuring various political entities isn’t working. We do have to look at it in a different frame.
For example, capital vs labor is a good one to look at. Then apply our pressures directly at the holders of capital and work to empower labor.
The Centrists (Dems currently in power) will sell you out as quickly and mercilessly as it becomes politically convenient.
What would terrify the elites
If you had candidates running around the USA acting like Dems, Republicans, Tea Baggers, etc. and once they got to DC they became Hard Core Liberals.
It is o-kay for OBAMA to lie and mis-lead his followers, how would the elites deal with someone from Left playing their game.
Fuckno, remember one real Democratic Senator could have cause the Corporate elite severe headaches, If one Senator would have force an up or down vote on the Public Option, Drug Importation, these issues would have probably have passed and became law.
Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, etc. did not force anything, are they progressives? Democrats? or just Good Actors?
Jane, thank you, this was an excellent, thought provoking speech. I only hope a lot of pols and a lot of regular people get to read it/hear it. How was the audience reaction?
My sense is that this is precisely the kind of thing Jane is pointing to (although I’m not quoting her, nor can I confirm that I’m accurate — so please note!).
Who in hell — other than major corporations — benefits from the fact that Lisa Murkowski represents fewer than 1,000,000 Alaskans, but she can screw the other 306,000,000 of us with either a ‘secret hold’ or a filibuster?!
I think that the Senate Rules — secret holds, the filibuster — are precisely the kind of ‘issue’ that Jane speaks about here.
The MSM will report it as ‘Dem-GOP’.
Bullshit.
It’s a demographic fact that we now have vote ratios of 1:306. If Murkowski can pull this crap, and then the next time Harry Reid brings up the idea of repealing that $75,000,000 liability cap on oil spills then Inhofe tanks it by using Senate Rules, then you can only say that these rules — which claim to protect minority interests — are in fact ruthlessly used by tiny elites and tiny minorities to jerk the rest of us around.
I call bullshit, and I have a powerful hunch that some of the same people who supported Audit the Fed would agree with me on the urgent need for a huge revision to Senate Rules — INCLUDING Senate committee structures, and seniority rules.
I don’t want to be too critical here and seem like I am shooting people down. Clearly Jane’s approach is better than nothing. But IMO, it has sharp limits.
I do think there is broadly a need to recruit from people who are on “the right.” But not the “Libertarian” right, which in reality just means the corporatists. Rather it is from the social right that we must recruit, the kind of right winger that is actually the most vilified among the well-to-do, the kind that doesn’t favor abortion, or gay marriage, or possibly rights for illegal aliens. That’s the right we need to recruit from, if we’re going to recruit from the right at all. And for the most part, I would argue this is not even about recruiting from any part of the ideological spectrum, it’s about getting people organized who have not been organized before under any ideology.
What Teddy Partridge said.
Ha, that is just knee slapping hilarious.
Supporting the public option a concession to the libertarians?
That’s like saying reinstating Jim Crowe would be a concession to the NAACP.
The libertarians could not have possibly hated it more.
I lack imagination to see the future:) Nice one stop smoking whatever your smoking.
A demagogue running on blaming immigrants for a bad economy affect my existence?
Well to be fair Hitler was a much better speaker when he blamed the Jews. I’m sure the whole revoke citizenship for Anchor babies think won’t only apply to Hispanics Rand can show me this by deporting Michelle Malkin first.
Forget quality I’m worried about existing in Rand’s world.
“You are assuming we have no choice but to toady to someone. That is old tribal politics”
Huh?
“The apply our pressures directly at the holders of capital and work to empower labor.”
By appealing to whom, electing whom, exactly?
I think there was a lot of belief as recently as last year that libertarian thought leaders (such as they are) defined the rhetorical poles that attracted the Tea Parters and other non-TP Republican defectors in electorially significant numbers. I don’t now whether that is still what smart folks reckon at this point.
Tell me something I don’t know I hate them because Rahm Emanuel wanted Dems to run against immigration back before Obama ran for president. Why do you think I’m on this blog rather than a more Center Dem blog?
Federal Funding of campaigns would fix an awful lot of this. No more private money in federal elections, and the states should be allowed to follow suit if they see fit. Getting corporate money out of politics and elections would be a great start to kicking the “Masters of the Universe’s” collective asses.
I cannot recall the American Public pining for the public option with organized marches in the streets. We give the far leftists (as far as they go) in the Dem party no support.
You have to remember that the average age of the critters on the hill is so far up there that it predates the internet revolution. They do, however, react to bodies in the streets.
Wow! Thank you Jane for explaining this in such clear terms.
Right now we show our power by getting people like Blanche unelected. We show our power by getting more Dems to the Primary than Rand and the GOP got to the GOP Primary. We show by doing this that we can cost the Blue Dogs their jobs and that when we want too we can beat the Tea Baggers.
Clinto is campaigning for Blanche right now saying that we are trying to scare Washington, and well Yes We Are!
Um, there was a lot of street action, on both sides, including this action, as regards HCR and the PO specifically.
The fact that you don’t recall, nor were apparently involved in any says more about you than anything else.
We had bodies at the town halls lots of them.
I agree with you, but we must never make the assumption Lisa, Harry Reid, care about the avg american.
When one looks at OBAMA actions dealing with the Gulf Oil Spill, one sees someone who does not understand or care about the pain his citizens are feeling in the Gulf area. OBAMA is more concern about how this effects BP, he does not care about how the Oil Spill effects on the Planet Earth, His Citizens, The Gulf OF Mexico, etc. etc.
NOAA scientist are acting like puppets of BP. They are suppose to work for us, but they are not.
Obama will visit the GULF tommorow after parting, and tell the people he feels their pain, the people in the GULF have better look at Obama actions, does he act like a man that cares about them?
A sincere leader with few leadership qualities would do a lot more to show his citizens that he cares.
Natural and Man made disasters always expose Corporate Politicians. Bush look like a complete Moron when it came to Hurricane Katrina, Obama looks like a complete Moron Now. Corporate Politicians can’t hide the fact of who they work for.
TCU, I’m merely suggesting that the PTB relies on wedge issues. My issue is a criminal government whose evolution has barely missed a beat, other than for political expediency.
So, When Obama embraces Simpson and matches him with Bowles, I am reminded that I’m right, and you are less so. The Dems have no compunction in joining with our sworn enemies, which is why we the people are losing badly. A taste of their own strategy thrown back at them seems not so unreasonable, imo.
A valid track as far as it goes. That is, untill every Dem that will be selected for us to elect will become an Obamanesque blank slate. (although Obama had a fascinating record that spelled out clearly who he was)
Sounds like we have effectively ‘top-killed’ our political system
I guess your idea of bodies is not exactly my idea of bodies.
Viva Palestina!
There’s also the accelerating effect of capital redistribution upward.
They take more and more of what little we have left with each turn of what Jane spells out as the “Cycle of Decay.” With each extraction of proportionally more wealth, they buy themselves the rules to unleash the next flock of vultures and piranhas.
The result is that as long as we’re playing the money game, we’re going to lose. We should probably be organizing and pushing from the starting premise that we’re broke, because comparatively we are, and increasingly so in absolute terms as well.
First, you have done a lot of great organizing work here by simply making this blog. I do thank you for that. It is a service to everyone.
Now, as for the public option, Libertarians may have hated it, but I’m sure they hated Medicare for All even more.
If public option was not a concession, though, then what was it? Did you feel there was just not the organization in place to advocate Medicare for all more than public option? That readers would have no clue what it was? I have not heard your reasoning. Perhaps you can explain. Thanks.
Yeah, healthcare is so egregious because of the human cost of leaving millions of Americans uninsured and underinsured. However, its just as indefensible that Congress hamstrings its ability to cut taxes or increase spending by outsourcing its money creation (“seigniorage”) power to the Federal Reserve System. Congress could easily pay for deficit spending by creating money directly instead the current practice of creating Treasury bonds that it sells via Fed auction and then pays interest on. In CBO budget projections, we’ll be paying a LOT of needless debt service under the status quo.
http://www.pgpf.org/images/blog/7646586/Federal%20Spending%20as%20Percentage%20of%20GDP%20graph.jpg
The limiting factor is Congress can’t create more money than the economy has goods and services to buy without leading to inflation, but its exactly the same limiting factor we face today when using Treasury bonds to create money. And for the foreseeable future, there’s way too much unemployment and capacity underutilization to sweat inflation at all. Warren Mosler and Randy Wray (the two sharpest guys on monetary issues) have suggested we could stop collecting the $900 billion in FICA taxes with no risk of inflation until we move towards full employment. As that happens, we could ease the FICA (or some alternative tax regime) tax revenue back up as the unemployment rate goes down.
For example, the Government could multiply the U3 unemployment rate by 10 and deduct that percentage from baseline FICA collections– 10% unemployment, zero FICA taxes collected, 7%, 30% of baseline FICA taxes collected, 5.5%, 45% of baseline FICA and so on. Even if we doubled baseline FICA revenue (a large chunk of it by uncapping SS and expanding the unearned income Medicare tax)) to “pay for” Medicare for All, unemployment would have to drop to 5% before taxpayers would send in as much in FICA taxes as they do now with 10% unemployment and no universal healthcare.
AbsoutelyfuckingARight!!
So good to see you here again, Adie. We miss you.
Fuckno you do know that bodies that support the corporate agenda get more air time and ink?
How many anti-war marches that had thousands of people got the air time of the tea party who had a couple of hundred people?
Fuckno a million progressives could march on washington DC, and the MSM would down play it, and tell the world it was a mix crowd of Dems and Reps.
Fuckno, the MSM would have you believe the tea party movement is as large as the progressive movement of 2008.
What is Sarah Palin? she is darling of the MSM, MSNBC and FOX loves this MORON, you know why? she gets them ratings. Is Sarah Palin intellect on the level with Noam CHomsky, Jane Hamsher when it comes today’s political climate? No
The elites and corporations don’t promote and support their enemies.
FUckno? Helen Thomas is not a friend of the Elites or Corporations, but she is the best friend of the American People, thus she gets little air time.
Is it even possible to move beyond tribalism? I’ve been trying for years and I still have some very intelligent friends who have fallen for the whole ‘pragmatism’ thing. If the smart people are falling for it, the rest are certainly not going to get it.
Tribalism is an innate human adaptation and trying to get beyond it is like trying to change the whole of humanity. It is part of our DNA. There must be some other answer to the problem. I really think the only realistic solution is to fight fire with fire and take advantage of this tribalism in some way.
I don’t see how that’s a purity argument, other than to suggest that sometimes there are the solutions that will actually work, and the ones that are just “solutions” for their own sake.
I think we need to get some psychologists involved and find a way to manipulate the public against their parties– start our own class warfare, scare the hell out of people, create fake boogeymen, undermine the political parties. This needs to be a pseudo military exercise with broad coordination between the left and the right. I fear that all our hard work is for nothing if we do not take it to the next level and start playing dirty. Good guys finish last. The stakes are too high to take the high road on this. If you can’t beat them, join them.
The libertarians I know actually found the mandate more offensive than paying the government directly, so no, they found Medicare for All less offensive.
The battle for single payer in the last health care bill was lost long before we got involved, as every single payer organizer I know (and am currently working with) acknowledges. We came in late in the game and could only hope to keep things from becoming worse than they would otherwise be, and shine a light on the corruption of the process.
Our single payer efforts are ongoing and not yet ready for prime time, but most assuredly very active.
“Warren Mosler and Randy Wray (the two sharpest guys on monetary issues) ” ; thanks for mentioning two who provide actual answers to issues; just wish they could address the Congress and get some CMM publicity.
That’s why perhaps we should try to anticipate likely future events, discuss, digest and get behind them before they roll over us again.
Damn Jane you keep getting better. “cycle of decay”
“We worked hard to whip support from libertarian and progressive leaders on both sides of the aisle. Bruce Fein and Grover Norquist made cause with Richard Trumka and James Galbraith. Freedomworks, the National Taxpayers Union and the John Birch Society joined with the Campaign for America’s future, US PIRG and Public Citizen. Conservative blog Red State, liberal blog Firedoglake and finance blogs like Zero Hedge and Naked Capitalism wrote about the subject diligently and raised the issue onto the radar of both parties.”
So thankful for all you do.
Reminds me, I’ve been think lately that our ruling class is doing a very very bad job of being a parasite lately. Good parasites leave enough in their hosts that they’re able to manage quite well, ensuring a stable ongoing environment for the parasite. Only bad parasites take so much that they kill off the host… after all, if the host dies, so does the parasite.
Great post — up until the time you started hailing the faux Audit the Fed bill as a victory, when in reality it was a diversion, an end-run around the real, original Ron Paul Audit the Fed bill.
For clarity, I was referring to khin’s “I think that what Jane is articulating here in some ways resembles third way Clinton-era triangulation, and is limited by the prison of having to organize online among a constituency that doesn’t reflect the US public generally” which I interpreted as a statement about mainstream vs. fringe policy. And trying to contrast with the idea that single-issue alliances actually make a lot of sense. Maybe I misinterpreted khin’s sentence, since @80 khin disagrees with my characterization there.
$$ Talks in DC and Pols are all born liars. I’ll never vote for any of these deceitful BS artists.
It’s worse then just saying No to them Newt and Obama agree with them. They just tell us what we want to hear to get elected and then go about their real business , which is serving their Corp. masters.
You’re right that getting money out of politics would help things out a lot. The problem is that you can’t really do it.
You’re not going to get altruistic, benevolent representation out of the American electoral system. So, you’re not going to get elected officials who are willingly going to rebuff being bought.
You’re not going to get the existing power-structure to throw the entire basis of its power overboard. So, you’re not going to get Congress to pass any such law.
You’re not going to overturn two direct SCOTUS rulings, and one inferred, on the money == speech Constitutional issue. So, even if you could pass such a law it would be struck down by the Judiciary.
The only way to perform such a task would be through Constitutional Amendment, which I certainly wouldn’t advocate against. I’d just advocate that if we’re going to push for an Amendment, then maybe we should consider further root cause analysis, and fundamentally reconfiguring the structure of government, rather than just dealing with money.
The other option is to neutralize the effects of money. Devise ways and means to circumvent the effects of money, not on the politicians (they’re already bought), but on the people. Better, cheaper means of advertising. Nullifying the effects of expensive marketing campaigns through better emotionally satisfying propaganda, etc.
The advent of the internet has been a world historical event that suffocates lies and hence does a great service to democracy. But, ultimately, only virtue can fix politics.
It didn’t have all the teeth I would have liked, but even going back to 2007 is by and large enough for me. The reality is that the Fed doesn’t really do a whole lot that normally requires auditing. They’re not usually taking on all those assets and issuing all those kinds of loans like they did in 2008.
I’m reasonably content with an audit going back to 2007, the bigger problem is dealing with how to change the Fed so that it can’t take on all that liability needing to be audited in the first place.
I disagree. Better mechanisms can fix politics. For instance, if you design a system of governance that has sufficient amounts of entropy, then it mitigates corruption, because nobody knows who to corrupt or when. The same thing can be said for massive decentralization. If the number of entities that need to be corrupted is vast enough, then it becomes untenable to do so.
This is the other side of the fundraising game that we’re going to always lose. As the wealth continues to aggregate upward, the pool of people that need to be gone to for fundraising for the elites shrinks continuously. Inevitably making it easier and easier to pander for ever larger sums of money. The flip-side of that is that for the rest of us the organizational requirements, to draw ever smaller amounts of money out of ever larger groups of people to remain competitive, become increasingly burdensome. That’s the underlying beauty of the DLC way of fundraising. They go to the super-rich and ask for big sums of cash. It’s easier to get $50,000 out of a multi-millionaire than it is to get $5 out of 10,000 paupers. And the imbalance improves continually in favor the elites, because they buy themselves even more advantageous rules.
Hence, the power of the people, as ever, lies in their numbers.
You’ve stated of a lot of “can’t”. State some “can” otherwise you’re as irrelevant as the mechanisms you decry.
Of course, I don’t disagree with any of that. My point is simply that of the great albeit much maligned republican Machiavelli whose final lesson in the Discourses is that the fight to preserve republics against their greatest threat, corruption, is an ongoing daily struggle. For every mechanism, there will be a weakness, and the forces of corruption will seek it out. Madison’s expanding the sphere was a kind of mechanism, but as we see, it could be undermined in various ways.
Maybe you should go do some homework about what the “original Ron Paul” bill was before spreading this misinformation in our comments section for the fiftieth or sixtieth time.
The “original Ron Paul” audit the fed bill was ONLY retroactive. Alan Grayson added most of the parts that got stripped out, including the ongoing audit and examination of currency swaps.
It’s like constantly having to look at dirty old pizza boxes constantly appearing on the floor of a place you work hard to keep clean so everyone can enjoy it.
Take your time, no need to rush. Taking care to get it right once and for all? A priceless gift from you to the community.
I too agree that single payer could never have passed this time. Thank you for explaining your reasoning.
Here is what I think: we would not have gotten single payer by advocating it then, but our organizing position now would have been much better. As you say, the problems with our government are extremely big. So big that we need continuing, ongoing efforts to have any real impact. We are actually setting ourselves up to fail by only advocating what might pass this year. And I do not think there were any pluses to that: leaders will be pushed more even in the short run by more extreme positions, as long as the popular support is behind them, which in this case I think it was. Extreme positions have more shock value, they move the Overton Window.
So my view is that if the popular support is there, it’s always better to take the more extreme position.
Here is an idea to democratize the money in politics. Have a tax that collects a little bit more than what was spent in the last election cycle. Then, allocate the money, in equal shares, to all who voted in the last election, so that they can then give it to the registered candidates of their choice. Seems constitutional. Could use the net to do it all.
You “can” pass Constitutional Amendments without the consent of Congress and explicitly bypass the criticism of the SCOTUS, because whatever you pass becomes Constitutional.
You “can” work within the 24 states that have popular initiative/proposal/referendum mechanisms to significantly decentralize government at the state-level, and ultimately either corral the federal government to adopt some of that populism, or push the issue to a head.
You “can” organize direct-action (excuse the Anarchism logo, I don’t really get why it’s relevant) interventions wherein all the fundraising done goes directly to those executing the actions, rather than into the pockets of the very interests who have no interest in our prerogatives (ie; big media).
You “can” attempt to fundamentally undermine the effects of money. If door-to-door canvasing (hopefully for initiatives and not ‘heroes’) is, or can be, more effective than TV advertising, then put tons more resources into it, or into refining it, or into expanding it. Broadcast advertising is super expensive, and invariably materially enriches one of populism’s biggest adversaries. (Supplied only as an example for illustration, I don’t know if specifically canvasing is cheaper or more effective messaging).
Elites v. masses.
Have’s v. have nots.
It’s that simple. THAT’S the big pitcure.
Everything else would be a subset IMHO.
Anastasia and Marie had mobs too.
*G*
Exercise of power.
Anyway, I may not get a chance to be here much regularly. I am starting a new job and it is crazy.
I wish Jane and everyone the best with their organizing work. Thanks for all you’ve done. I will be contributing to Healthcare-NOW and California OneCare when I get some $$$ on hand. Bye!
Well said Jane!
I completely agree that we need to form left-right pincer movements whenever interests can be brought into alignment.
As for the tribalism, I think that’s why FDR held his nose and brought the Dixiecrats on board. The primary life threatening issues of the day were economic, thus it made sense to back burner cultural issues.
I basically saw the New Deal primarily as a owner/management-labor peace treaty. Today we desperately need a New Deal 2.0, 1.0 started coming undone in the 1960′s, a seperation was filed in the 1980′s and final divorce occured in the mid 1990′s. And today we have all out economic warfare which is fast becoming hell on earth.
That seems like a game incentive to spend more and more money on elections, so that more and more money automatically becomes earmarked for politicians through successive election-cycles? Am I missing something?
Though the cost of our elections is seriously a joke. It’d be interesting to see a study on how much of a mammoth anchor the massive expense of our nationwide elections actually are on our aggregate economy, and it’s getting worse. Not only are we spending more, but we’re doing it more continuously by pushing the campaign earlier and earlier into the election-cycle.
That was nicely written, thank YOU!
And best to you and yours, of course.
Hmmm sounds like Class Warfare and We ALL know they are winning!
When you have virtually unlimited money you can buy your government to see it your way Simple.
Yes, but you could make the tax progressive enough so that the rich bear most of the burden. And, the amount spent every year goes up anyway.
What Larue said Adie
& we all have missed you ☺ ☺
Very kind of you to say that. I’m still reading, and my dear spouse offered to carry home my soapbox yesterday if’n I’d just step down for a sec. heh.
Seriously, it’s high time I stepped away from the public fray, rather than making a total dern fool of myself. The only gear I have left is [RANT], so I’ll try to listen more and not muddy the waters. The Lake is a most impressive place these days. Bravo to you and the team.
p.s., Wonderful to see and hear you more & more in public, Jane. We’re getting a big kick out of it. We know you’re making a difference.
Stay well, gal. We’re right there by your shoulder. You can count on it. ;->
I don’t have a dog in this one between you two, but that there stand alone comment is spit pissing on.
It speaks of the chokehold the system has on the masses.
The elites v. the masses.
And the elites are winning and choking us badly.
But, their ‘way’ of denying the masses any piece of the pie is their ultimate downfall, as this system is unsustainable. Either the masses WILL revolt, of the system will simply collapse of itself.
History proves it.
How does this fantasy become a reality?
I don’t see it happening soon, if at all.
I see what you’re saying. You draw out disproportionate amounts, but evenly redistribute the total. I’m still not seeing how it doesn’t become a cycle of ever-increasing election costs to the direct benefit of political candidates, though I do gather that’s not really the problem you’re trying to solve. Given that…
I get that it helps redistribute some money so that in a system where money == speech there’s at least some earmarked for the people who have essentially none. The successful balance of that would hinge on the tax-curve. In that sense it’s an incremental improvement. Though you’re functionally talking about instituting a hugely lopsided redistributive tax on the wealthy, which while sensible (diminishing marginal utility of wealth, and all that), it is something we seem to have a bit of an acute problem with getting any action on. :-)
The powers-that-be are by and large those that are the powers-of-money, butting us up against that Congressional self-interest and corruption barrier again. Perhaps it’d be worth passing such a thing at the state-level through popular initiative and using it as a testbed?
To create an upswelling voter bloc or enraged bloc of the masses, a change agent movement should recruit from ANY person that’s getting screwed by the system. Which, is 99% of the masses, as the elites represent a fraction of the remaining 1%.
Forget about social issues, party dogma’s, religious issues, and such.
“Are you unemployed, fearful of losing your place of dwelling (rent or bought), frightened of the lack of jobs, out of money, uninsured and needing health CARE (teeth, eyes, ALL our body care) not insurance?” Add in the persecution issues of various minority groups where it fits, and bada bing.
That covers 99% of the masses, in one way or the other and surely enlarges the recruiting pool rather significantly.
Ya leave the differences at the door, focus on the needs.
Take it from there.
You know, like that statue in New York Harbor.
Well, no matter how progressive the tax, it would be much more than an incremental improvement because there would be a huge amount of money allocated by the plebs. Sure, you could do it at the state level first. And, politicians would secretly love it because it would free them from much of the endless fundraising. I just thought of it while eating my corn on the cob. Could have registerd lobbyists pay part of the tax too.
Given that the people that legislate campaign laws are fully bought and paid for by the corporate elite, just how to you intend to CHANGE campaign laws?
I mean, I’m reading comment after comment of what SHOULD be done, but none hardly offer HOW TO MAKE IT A REALITY.
And that’s MY rub.
The 1% corporate elite fully own and operate our elected officials, that’s why it’s called fascism.
As history has shown, only two things change this huge in-equality.
1) Violent revolution.
2) Decay and collapse of the unsustainable system.
To All Pups, let me know when there’s a magical #3 we can implement. I’m eager to begin.
Yeah, they’re both good guys too. Warren is running for the US Senate in CT as an independent (or rather as an Independent Party) candidate.
http://moslerforsenate.com/?page_id=22
Furthermore, it would promote citizenship. Just imagine if people had a couple of hundred allocated to them that they could give to thier favorite candidates.
Agreed with, in full.
No bodies in the streets, no change.
Period.
Not denying your point whatsoever . . .
But I don’t recall millions upon millions, in every city, in a sustained manner.
Not like in the 60′s.
That’s my only quibble.
Lord knows FNo is not one whom I often concur with on things . . . ;-)
With respect to your POV, those were paltry numbers in comparison of need for numbers to influence Congress.
Millions, upon millions, sustained, over months.
Those are the numbers required to affect the change you seek. The change I seek.
Yeah, I’ve long thought that lacking compulsory voting significantly damages our democratic institutions, because it sets up the condition where the politicians can ignore the people, and the people can ignore the politicians. It’s just an explicit recipe for apathy.
THAT, is one wonderful reply.
*G*
We have some popular political institutions in the U.S., and considering we’re talking about populism vs. corporatism it makes sense to me that they’re the “HOW.”
We have to divorce ourselves from the perpetual impotence of trying to play D.C. power politics though, because we’re not a D.C. power, because we’re vastly outsized in resources and there’s no fundamental accountability in D.C.
Missed opportunity – could have thrown in a sentence there toward the end about net neutrality…
I’m pretty sure that there are lots and lots of people who vote Republican who realize that the money in politics is a problem. I don’t think that it would be that easy to dismiss it as some left wing proposal.
Spot on start to finish.
And without a fully blown, nation wide jobs creation (tens of millions of jobs created and FUNDED by the government) effort soon, we the people are toast.
Yep.
It ain’t rocket science, is it.
;-)
I’ll take #2 for $50, Alex.
can you recall some points where you do not agree with me? 8>)
So, work local?
Sure, sounds good on paper.
But changing local stuff don’t change the national stuff that’s choking us all.
We the people are run by the elite.
Local change don’t impact that equation, IMO.
But I hear your POV, I think . . . my kind of populism is a massive effort to band disparate groups of have nots and take that to the streets. In non violent civil disobedience.
Course, that would require an org, a leadership . . . all of whom would likely be prey to their own greed and self serving devices along the way . . .
On we hope, eh.
I’m saving up pocket money so I’ll have a case or two of fine 20 year old Irish and Kentucky/Tennessee Whiskey when it comes. If I gotta go, I’m ganna go happy. ;-)
Not right now, no, recall memory is weak with me, I’d have to research it, and I’m to lazy to do so.
But I’m sure I’ve disagreed with you at some point or another, whether I spoke it or not.
I’ve disagreed with about everyone in here at one time or another, I’m sure.
;-)
Indeed. Hence the title of Ralph Nader’s novel, “Only the Super Rich Can Save Us Now”
Gotta start somewhere. Local is the bottom rung.
Ok, a wrap for me:
Mz. Hamsher, a GREAT presentation and discussion of how communication and communication systems exist, work, and influence . . . be it for success or failure.
Really enjoyed reading it, line by line.
Thanks for doing that, and thanks for sharing it with your readers.
Most enjoyable.
I’ll conclude with repeating what I said above somewhere:
A change movement can recruit from 99% of the masses to garner the mass required to insist, demand and affect change upon the present system. Ya simply recruit anyone who’s getting screwed one way or another.
The rest of the old school ‘divisions’ of race, culture, religion, etc. get checked at the door . . . with the guns.
It’s how the labor movement and a few others worked back in the 20′s/30′s.
“Need a hand, buddy? We’ll help ya.”
Reach out to the disenfranchised, downtrodden, poor, unemployed, unhoused, uncared for. Just like that statue in NY Harbor.
*G*
Let’s get recruiting!
“To Beat A Tiger, One Needs A Brothers Help.”
*G*
Working local does change stuff that’s choking us nationally.
I’m working on an initiative for a State Bank of Oregon; to provide some semblance of monetary policy to Oregon’s ongoing economic crisis, as well as an ongoing means for providing some stable anchor of non-predatory banking within the state.
There are lots of things like this. Civil-rights issues, environmental issues, etc. I mean, the evidence of this is available in the disparity amongst the states already. Oregon is practically Shangri-La compared to __insert_state_here__ on environmental issues. There’s tons of local opportunity to drastically improve the conditions of the local population, despite the diaster that is our national politics.
And, like I said before, if you have enough success pushing those prerogatives through enough locales, it will inevitably put a lot of pressure on the national government to either directly confront or adopt them. Either condition being a vast improvement on the status quo, and all while still enjoying the benefits of local progress.
The culture, the state of the people, is not a result of who is elected so much as who are elected are a result of the culture, the public mood. I say address those who oppress the people and strive to control the mood and the will. IOW create movements that are not partisan based. Let the partisans “toady” to the movement. The Internet is made to create movements. It fails when it goes(as KOS and Move On did) to become a voice for the partisans.
Yes, but the new bill prohibits audits of the Open Markets Committee and it forbids audits of payments and loans to foreign central banks. (i.e. using taxpayer money to bail out Greece after Goldman Sachs ripped them off. No chance that Goldman might have to repay them.)
To Jane at 149:
“Alan Grayson added most of the parts that got stripped out, including the ongoing audit and examination of currency swaps.”
Yeah, so this is a victory because the ongoing audit and the examination of currency sways (and other things that I mentioned above) got stripped out? Wow, some victory.
I guess by the measure you’ve applied to determint the Audit bill a victory that you’ve now decided that HCR was also a victory. After all, only drug reimportation and price negotiation, elimination of anti-trust immunity, the public option, and Medicare buy-in were “stripped out” of that bill, right?
The bottom line is, the Senate concocted an alternate bill to save themselves from having to vote, straight up or down, on the Paul-Grayson bill that scared the living shit out of them and their bankster paymasters.
Interesting title. Hafta check the library. Some of the fiction from missionaries in China is fun to read.
Those who see that corporate domination is the root cause of all our problems vs. . . . all others.
That’s how I see it.
Moody’s says Senate is a whore and Obama a dissembler. – weird, but true.
SLAM DUNK
Cynthia Kouril is upstairs!
Oh, NOW Banks Believe in Mortgage Modification?
Yasssssss . . .
Some day the writings of Jane Hamsher will be required reading for college students. It is an honor to be able to read this speech in “real time”.
Methinks you’ve gotten to the kernel of it. From such small seeds do great Redwoods grow.
Spectacular, Jane. Just spectacular!
Michael Whitney is upstairs!
Solidarity: Alabama Fishermen Organize Bayou Blockade to Protest BP
Answer is simple, NO! It can help organize people but until the people are willing and able to organize and put the fear of an outraged citizenry into the hearts of the plutocrats nothing changes.
Stellar, Jane.
At every turn of the Cycle of Decay, we see its indispensable enabler – a culture of lies and lying.
We can’t fight money, but we can sure as hell fight this. And win.
(Even if only because the quality/efficacy of the lying must necessarily deteriorate and rot along with the rest of the whole farkin thing.)
The story of Nanking and young orphaned boys (pre teen for the most part) in gangs and how they survived and died at the hands of the Japanese.
Empire of the Sun genre. *g*
No, you were wrong. Again. You don’t know what you’re talking about, you spam our comment section with disinformation consistently, and when you’re challenged and you can’t back up your assertions, you throw a temper tantrum to distract from the situation rather than acknowledge that you just aren’t very well informed on the subjects you have such strong opinions on.
When people keep leaving the same thing in our comments section over and over again even after they’ve been corrected repeatedly we start to treat it like FREE IPHONE spam. I’d say we’re pretty close here.
There is no substitute for on the ground, people action.
Great. Thanks. Perfect.
To me, the blogs have seemed just increasingly lost over the past year– no longer a place for creative thinking and excitement that they were before the election, and before the steady stream of disappointments we have experienced as we see the iron hand of corporate control play out in the Democratic administration.
The repetition of the right wing craziness everyday in the “liberal” blogs has driven us crazy. I never watch FOX, but everyday I read what they say as a primary message in our discourse. Please, somebody, ask our blogs to stop it.
Why does the crazy tight have to continue to dominate our conversation?
It makes us stupid and helps not at all.
Can’t one or two blogs continue to track this phenomenon and can’t we let go of it elsewhere? Maybe we will be able to breathe then more freely and come up with some new energy.
Thanks Jane for your wonderful clear and sane contribution.
I couldn’t help myself. Jane’s essay deserves thousands of comments.
Jane, you make me so proud to be a tiny part of FDL. Your speech was dangerous and subversive! And a public warning, which I doubt the forces of darkness will heed. Luckily, the Masters of the Universe may ignore us until it’s too late.
BTW, beautiful graphics Jane, is there any possibility that we could get access to the whole set?
Jane, a commenter over at Mother Jones was getting at what you are laying out here –
neonbhudda comment
responding to his own earlier comment.
Nicely done Jane, but who’s really listening? How about a poll of your visitors to see how many will vote to reelect “their” Dems this Nov.? I see Reid has already pulled ahead in his race. I don’t care who he’s running against, this seems pretty shameful to me.
Great post!
Next meme:
Class Warfare – what if we were in a war, and we didn’t know about it?
We were, we lost.
Which brings me to my sig line:
All politics is class warfare!
The Republican Party doesn’t like government intervention on behalf of the unemployed, the working poor, the middle class or the small business entrepreneurs, but they LOVE government intervention on behalf of the neo-Con doctrine of Global Domination and the Big Money Mega-Corporations, — The Hand that Feeds Them.
The Democratic Party likes to call itself the Party of the People — but they are careful to water down all legislation on behalf of the neo-Con doctrine of Global Domination and the Big Money Mega-Corporations — “The Hand that Feeds Them.”
Countless times I’ve heard that our elected representatives in Congress complain about having to spend 4 or 5 hours a day trying to raise money for their campaigns (instead of doing the work of governing) — AND YET — they never do anything about the campaign financing system.
The establishment Democrats and their leaders are worthless, but we progressive/liberal independents, Democrats and activists can’t seem to get our act together under one umbrella to be a real force for change.
That should tell you how hopeless the situation really is.
Yes, we can win a primary here, a primary there –
blog until we’re blue in the face, march, sign petitions, vote for Eugene McCarthy, Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney — but the truth is we can’t win against the Big Money Profiteers, Predatory Capitalism and their Doctrine of Global Domination — never have, never will.
The best we can do is to Keep Fighting, By Any Means Necessary.
I’m very supportive of the recent non-violent, humanitarian assault on the Israeli blockade of Gaza –
but always remember, Gandhi won the battle against the British, but lost the war against the hatred between the Hindus and the Muslims — and even now the government of India is waging a war against the so-called Maoists on behalf of their Big Money Mega-Corporations.
Don’t Bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me . . .