Glenn Greenwald on the “mindless tribalism” that has deflated meaningful liberal advocacy with regard to Obama’s supreme court nominee:
Perhaps most revealing of all: a new article in The Daily Caller reports on growing criticisms of Kagan among “liberal legal scholars and experts” (with a focus on the work I’ve been doing), and it quotes the progressive legal scholar Erwin Chemerinsky as follows: ”The reality is that Democrats, including liberals, will accept and push whomever Obama picks.” Yesterday on Twitter, Matt Yglesias supplied the rationale for this mentality: ”Argument will be simple: Clinton & Obama like and trust [Kagan], and most liberals (myself included) like and trust Clinton & Obama.”
Just think about what that means. If the choice is Kagan, you’ll have huge numbers of Democrats and progressives running around saying, in essence: ”I have no idea what Kagan thinks or believes about virtually anything, and it’s quite possible she’ll move the Court to the Right, but I support her nomination and think Obama made a great choice.” In other words, according to Chemerinksy and Yglesias, progressives will view Obama’s choice as a good one by virtue of the fact that it’s Obama choice. Isn’t that a pure embodiment of mindless tribalism and authoritarianism? Democrats love to mock the Right for their propensity to engage in party-line, close-minded adherence to their Leaders, but compare what conservatives did with Bush’s selection of Harriet Miers to what progressives are almost certain to do with Obama’s selection of someone who is, at best, an absolute blank slate.
One of the very first non-FISA posts I ever wrote that received substantial attention (uniformly favorable attention from progressives) was this post, from February, 2006, about the cult of personality that subsumed the Right during the Bush era. The central point was that conservatives supported anything and everything George Bush did, regardless of how much it comported with their alleged beliefs and convictions, because loyalty to him and their Party, along with a desire to keep Republicans in power, subordinated any actual beliefs. Even Bill Kristol — in a 2006 New York Times article describing how Bruce Bartlett had been ex-communicated from the conservative movement for excessively criticizing George Bush — admitted that personal allegiance to Bush outweighed conservative principles in the first term and that “Bush was the movement and the cause.”
To say that ”Democrats, including liberals, will accept and push whomever Obama picks,” based on the rationale that “Clinton & Obama like and trust her, and most liberals (myself included) like and trust Clinton & Obama” — even if they know nothing about her, even if she might move the Court to the Right — seems to me to be an exact replica of what I described four years ago.
I had a similar dustup with Yglesias on Twitter over Audit the Fed, after I voiced objections to the deal negotiated by Bernie Sanders. Sanders’ deal limited the amendment to a one-time audit that can only go back to December 2007. Yglesias responded by saying “possibly Sen Sanders knows better than you what’s good for progressive causes.”
This isn’t Tiger Beat magazine and it’s not a popularity contest, it’s about oversight of the Federal Reserve, which prints our money. It’s insane that bankers like Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan can know what the Fed does, and have a hand in its decisions, but Congress can’t. Tell that to a couple of people. See what their response is. Most people don’t know that this is the case, and when they hear it, they are disturbed in the extreme.
It’s a legitimate concern, and Yglesias’ response seeks to delegitimize substantive critique in favor of assurances offered from those we “like”:
I saw last night on Twitter that this led to Jane Hamsher denouncing Sanders as a sellout, which I noted led to a bit of a credibility mismatch between a veteran progressive legislator and a media entrepreneur whose specialty niche is never taking yes for an answer on anything.
Yglesias doesn’t want to discuss the pros and cons of one amendment over another, he wants to engage in ad-hominum attacks and then let Dean Baker do his thinking for him. This kind of argument assumes that pedigreed elites should play the role of paternalistic caretaker and decide for the public what is right and wrong, and we shouldn’t bother offering opinions that might differ than those he believes have more “credibility.” I respect Dean Baker. I seriously doubt he wants to be pulled in as an excuse to stifle a substantive discussion. He would address the issue on its merits rather than invoke a cult of personality, especially around himself.
As Glenn says, this is mindless tribalism in the extreme. It isn’t critical thinking, it’s fawning authoritarianism. And it has basically crushed any organized progressive opposition to the policies of George Bush that the left formerly disdained. The White House has merely to use its considerable influence to line up liberal validators in Veal Pen 2.0, and it obviates the need to actually pursue the agenda that Obama campaigned on in order to keep people like Yglesias happy.



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Indeed.
FYI, Jane, Chris Dodd just now received unanimous consent on the Senate floor, right before the Senate adjourned for the night, to have 80 minutes of concurrent debate first thing tomorrow (when the Senate convenes at 10 a.m.) on the modified Sanders amendment (SA 3738), and the Vitter amendment (which is the language of Sanders’s original S. 604, I believe), and then to have (simple-majority) votes on both, first on Sanders, and then on Vitters, starting at about 11:30 a.m. Tuesday.
http://cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx
Also FYI, I finally got a chance to reply to comments in my weekend Audit the Fed diary today, for anyone who left comments or questions in the thread, or is otherwise interested (I probably won’t get a chance to reply to any further questions there before the thread closes late tonight or early tomorrow).
Well Jane,
it’s interesting to see how many dems support Obama no matter what he does. It’s become like a game of my team vs the other team. Obama and the dems vs the Repubs. It wouldn’t matter what principles either side is operating at so long as you beat the other side. I see it on blogs, especially the big one that hates Jane, I hear it from some of my favorite liberal talk show host, and it’s frequently framed in that context on TV. What’s forgotten is what the goal and mission is.
In the meantime as we used to say back in the day, keep your eyes on the prize. For that I appreciate Glenn and you Jane.
I hesitate to link to Matt’s blog, but I think this post from a few days ago pretty much says it all:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/05/qa-with-my-dad.php
The post throws out that his paternal grandparents were born poor as a pretense for why he felt free to become a blogger, when in fact Matt was free to become a blogger because he came from a very privileged background: The same elite prep school-cum-Harvard background that Kagan and many in the White House have. So of course Matt thinks it’s okay to just trust that Kagan will be a “good Democrat”. He’s one of them.
The other reason, of course, is that’s Matt’s boss John Podesta is a big Kagan fan. If you want to rise like Kagan you don’t go against the boss.
Jane,
Yglesias is a neoliberal. Of course he’s a “tribal” Democrat; neoliberalism is the Democratic Party ideological standard.
And, Jane, I still don’t see why you think “tribalism” in politics is “irrational.” Tribal affiliations have been part of politics from its inception as an art; please see Kees van der Pijl’s masterful work Nomads, Empires, States for a world political history which shows how “the tribal” persists. In fact, van der Pijl’s diagnosis is that:
So we’re going back to tribes. Expect it. What we need, then, is to belong to a better tribe than the Democrat tribe, which is too busy pissing on us to know its self-interest.
I don’t understand the blind loyalty to Obama. What are they seeing? They are being flimflammed every single day and there they are – heads in the sand and butts firmly in the air. I don’t get it. Some of them are supposedly very smart people. Do they have a degree from Harvard but are unable to think?
Now that’s the Jane we know and love.
Jane “Sanders’ deal limited the amendment to a one-time audit that can only go back to December 2007. Yglesias responded by saying “possibly Sen Sanders knows better than you what’s good for progressive causes.”
Kept wondering and hoping that the “audit the fed” legislation is the way to squeeze open that door now. With widening oversight later as the goal.
Glenn “In other words, according to Chemerinksy and Yglesias, progressives will view Obama’s choice as a good one by virtue of the fact that it’s Obama choice. Isn’t that a pure embodiment of mindless tribalism and authoritarianism? Democrats love to mock the Right for their propensity to engage in party-line, close-minded adherence to their Leaders, but compare what conservatives did with Bush’s selection of Harriet Miers to what progressives are almost certain to do with Obama’s selection of someone who is, at best, an absolute blank slate”
These discussions as well as those on Washington Journal and elsewhere are pushing the peasants as well as others to think, question…good thing. Seems like Glenn’s claim that Kagan is “an absolute blank slate” is rather extreme.
Just keep thinking about how as a nation we have been focused on “health care reform, jobs, bank bailout rip offs, Supreme Court nominees” And in Iraq (remember Iraq) the country that we have caused measurable amounts of death and destruction they are worried about keeping the electric on and burying their dead. Where are those 5 million displaced people?
Americans our MSM even progressive blogs are happy to “move on, turn the page, next chapter” in regard to what we have done in Iraq. We are morally and spiritually bankrupt
I saw that twitter dust-up, and I couldn’t help but catch a whiff of “good little non-boy, non-access blogger, we know better than you, silly woman” sexism.
I totally agree with this post except the fatalist tone of the last 2 sentences of the last paragraph. The tide is definitely turning. I’m telling you, the ‘bots are trembling. Every time now when I go on Huffpo and decry Obama’s cowardice and lack of strategy, I get less and less opposition. I’ve taunted them several times by saying that by July we’ll see tons of frantic posts trying to give Obama “suggestions” on how to turn people out at the polls in November. I have to tell you it is happening just as I have said. In fact I’m getting more and more support for my arguments. Increasingly, the ‘bots try to offer the feeble excuse that, “Obama isn’t doing everything I like but…” whereas before they were haughty and arrogant. This is the time to start stating our case over what to do. The forward leaning, proactive Progressive case. That way we can keep beating them over the head with it and force them to do something good with the time we have left before November. It might be enough to get rid of a lot of Blue Dogs and change the composition of the Congress to one more amenable to real change. One willing to uphold Democratic principles instead of always retreating in the face of just the threat of opposition.
Mindless tribalism sums it up well.