Ron Paul released a video tape tonight in response to Bernie Sanders’ last-minute deal with Chris Dodd on Audit the Fed:
RON PAUL: I’m not a bit surprised that the Federal Reserve got to the Senate. I had expected Bernie Sanders to offer 604, which was the same as 1207, which is Audit the Fed bill, and at the last minute he switched it and watered it down, and really it adds nothing. It’s a possibility that it even makes the current conditions worse.
This is essentially the bill plus more of the bill we beat in the House Financial Committee, the Mel Watt bill,.
But this is so disappointing to me that this happened. Especially since for months now I’ve worked with Bernie on this and introduced the bill, and our language, which was 1207.
But as we speak — this is Thursday night — they are working on this on the Senate floor. And we need to get as many messages as possible to as any Senators you can think of, especially to Bernie Sanders’ office, that we don’t want this version. We want a true audit of the Fed. We need to know what the Open Market Committee does. And we need to know what they’re doing overseas with the agreements with central banks and financial institutions and other governments.
And in this bill that is being offered, that amendment is being offered now does not include this. So I am sure that Senator DeMint is working on this and may come up with an alternative. But the only thing that would be fair to the American people after all this work and energy that we put into this is have an up and down vote on what was our 1207 in the House which is 604 in the Senate.
Yes they may water it down and they may win it, but if they don’t have an honest vote on the Senate floor to me it would be very very discouraging. But it also shows what kind of forces we’re up against. The President doesn’t want this, the leadership on Wall Street doesn’t want it, the Federal Reserve doesn’t want it, so they’re powerful forces.
But just think of the people that do want it. You know everyone from progressives and liberal Democrats, to libertarians and constitutionalists, and the average person, so many of the Tea Party members, they all want this. They want transparency and they want to find out what’s going on at the Fed. So it’s very very important, it’s a crucial time, and whether — I doubt if they’ll vote tonight, which is Thursday, but they may vote tomorrow, who knows they may vote Monday. But it’s vital and urgent that we do as much as we can to bombard the Senate with information that we the people deserve to have an up-or-down vote on Audit the Fed bill.
The Kaufman “break up the banks” bill got drubbed tonight because it was perceived as a Democratic bill and the banks could work through the GOP to kill it, which gave the ConservaDems cover for opposing it too.
But nobody got on the floor of the Senate today to speak against Audit the Fed. They were all scared shitless. The left/right coalition supporting the bill includes everyone from Richard Trumka, Bill Black, Andy Stern and Jamie Galbraith to Grover Norquist, the Campaign for Liberty and Freedomworks on the right. We worked hard to put that coalition together for the past year, and it was transpartisan by design. If you stood against Audit the Fed, you were just a shill for the banks. There’s no justification. It made the dividing lines extremely clear: populism vs. corporatism, with no ability to take refuge in the safe crannies of partisanship.
It took a lot of courage for the people involved in that coalition to join together and say “enough.” Party hacks on both sides launched endless personal attacks against those involved, accusing them of “consorting with the enemy” in a desperate attempt to restore a disfunctional chess board. But everyone stood their ground, and when all else failed, the White House put the squeeze on Bernie Sanders.
Bernie thought he was going to reprise the “free clinics” tapdance he did on the health care bill, and that the tribalists would raise him on their shoulders and coo about what a good progressive he was to justify any compromise he made. But that’s not so easily done with a transpartisan alliance — because Ron Paul doesn’t have any reason to roll over for the White House or the Democratic party. The GOP is afraid to balk the anti-tax crowd, and without their cover, the ConservaDems just look like whores. The entire system comes apart.
Ron Paul is going to make a stink. Good for him.
I don’t think that Bernie’s amendment would make matters worse, and to be fair it was Merkely’s amendment that was the clone of Mel Watt’s. But Bernie allowed the banks to draw the lines around an audit to exclude the things they didn’t want examined, and he obviously didn’t get Ron Paul’s sign-off before he did so. I guess he didn’t think he needed to.
Well, Audit the Fed has been Ron Paul’s lifelong dream. As someone who has worked intimately on the effort for a year, I had to reverse the Tivo and listen to CSPAN a couple of times to figure out what was happening when Bernie mumbled something about his “deal.” I thought at the time, “I don’t think anyone knows about this — it’s not going to go over well.” And it hasn’t. Bernie shouldn’t be surprised.
Good for Ron Paul for telling Rahm and his little pro-bank whip operation to get stuffed. He’s seizing a moment of transpartisan anger at the banks and he’s pointing it straight at the Wall Street apologists. It will be interesting to see how far he can take it.



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This could get ugly, considering the hostage-taking the MOTUs performed today with the DOW.
Go Ron Paul!
Go Jane Hamsher!
Go Alan Grayson!
In an interview with David Swanson, Lyla Garret said she loved Vermont and their 2 good senators. Swanson replied, he didn’t know Vermont had any good Senators. My point here is Sanders has as much spine as a jellyfish. Being a democratic socialist and merely saying you are, are 2 different things.
As with healthcare, he like so many dems demonstrate they are all talk with no evidence to show they genuinely mean what they say.
guess its time to make popcorn — the audit the fed fight is gonna be a wild one
Rather than making popcorn we should not be on the sidelines watching. We should be protesting everywhere.
Sanders proves himself to be another Congressional A hole. Sanders thinks he’s deserving of “Dancing with the Stars” after his free clinic tap dance.
Bernie Sanders will be on the Thom Hartman show today, “Brunch with Bernie” at 12:00 EST. Feel free to call in and ask him about his latest dance moves.
http://www.620kpoj.com/pages/hartmann_nationwide.html
Since I was 16, back in the days when “virtual reality” came in sugar cubes, I got most of my news from Pacifica Radio, WBAI in NY particular, so I have a very high standard for the quality of information I absorb.
I don’t get much chance to listen to radio these days, but I come to this space when I want to know what’s really going on. Many folks here remember Pacifica at it’s best. FDL carries that torch forward.
Thanks.
Thanks, BT2!
The relationship between the fed, private banks and the corporations which have grown around those banks must be audited and exposed.
The fleecing of Americans by corporate entities is enabled by the disproportionate protection of due process rights for corporations. It is exactly the influence of corporate money which has usurped basic constitutional protections for individuals. This is why Jefferson and Madison wanted restrictions on CORPORATIONS! What we are witnessing is the drawing and quartering of Lady Liberty by corporate aristocrats, lusting for endless profit…
What are the chances Hartman Doesn’t brutalize Saunders today?
Bernie Sanders is a real “pablum breathing” progressive. His machinations on HIR were disappointing, now he has confirmed he an empty suit.
Hartman will let Sanders slide. Sanders is his Friday go to guy and he wouldn’t want to jeopardize that relationship.
I just tried to get through to Sanders office. The line is busy. His phone number is (202) 224-5141.
There should at least be legislation that denies bailout of banking/finance entities who are not even regulated. Such entities have yet to be audited. No one still knows who owns what in toxic securities. It’s been averred recently that the GSEs now own most of them, totaling over 8 trillions.
I’m out today and don’t think I’ll be able to get thru to “Brunch with Bernie”. Hope some FDL pups get through to ask Sanders when the spinal transplant is going to occur.
Thanks for the number. Time to let Bernie the Meek know the people see that he, like his emperor, has no clothes.
Pacifica was at its supreme best at the height of the Civil Rights Movement in 1962-63. Absolutely incredible reporting. I recall listening to one broadcast from a church in South Carolina in the summer of ’63. I always wondered if it was somewhere still on tape. Very moving stuff.
Sounds like even Paul feels like he got shanked by Sanders.
BTW, Jane: I like the term “transpartisan.” It deserves to stay in the lexicon, although the beltway MSM is gonna (dismissively) utter, “Hunh? Yuk, yuk, yuk. More after these important commercial messages from [big pharma, big oil, cars, etc].”
How much clout do you think he has? Zilch. He knows it and everybody else knows it. At least he is getting people to face up to the issue, which is not going away. There was never any chance that his motion was going to pass despite all the fluff. There is too much wealth opposed to it. Until you recognize that we live in a plutocracy, you will always be disappointed. Even our best reps, and Sanders is one of them, cannot overcome that machine until ordinary people organize against it, which is not bloody likely given where control of the press is situated.
So what, exactly, did Sanders get out of this deal? I think it’s fair to ask him this question.
Mornin Jane, firedogs, and all transpartisan friends :D
HuffPo is to have Simon Johnson on for a live chat in a few. looks like it was initially set up as a book chat – just want to see what if anything, he has to say about yesterday’s events
was thinking last night – all it really would take was for them to in some way threaten his HCR loot.
They’ve agreed with China that our working class is expendable, just not our investor class. Dollar remains strong, Yuan remains weak. So it goes.
I disagree. Just as crappy HIR reform gives party hacks an excuse to pretend they enacted real reform and then campaign on that b.s. message to low info voters who won’t know any different, they can do the same with this.
I can’t wait until the campaign ads start rolling in a big way with Dems bragging to high heaven about all of Rahm’s “wins”, even though what they have done by and large is worse than nothing at all. At best they have kicked the can down the road. At worst they have picked our pockets to line those of Wall Street, continued the erosion of the Constitution, escalated the wars, and fiddled while
RomeEarth burns.The Dems have been a real disaster and I don’t see how things get better.
You’re welcome. I just now got through. I told his staffer that although I’m from Iowa and not a constituent, I want Bernie Sanders to know I didn’t approve of his watered-down version of his audit the fed bill. I wish I’d been better prepared, but she said she’d write it down and let him know (yeah, right). I think it’s important to let Sanders know he’s not just getting away with his cave. That people all over the country are paying attention.
ShotoJamf, I love the word “transpartisan,” too! What a sweet concept. The beltway MSM can say what they want, IMO. I’m not sure transpartisans are paying much attention to their blather. We should just keep on keepin’ on!
I started listening to WBAI in 69, and was hooked on their coverage of the Attica prison riot in 71. At the time they had only credible war coverage on the air.
I will not provide Saunders with a pass on this. This is Litmus.
It looks like politics as usual with Obama echoing right wing positions.
Dodd and the big bankers and Fed own this process. They REALLY want to ram a bill through. And these days, if they SAY they are doing an audit, etc usually the major media will call it a major concession blah blah.
There are people of principle out there. Its just not who people think.
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Transpartisans?
I can just see Pat Robertson railing political sodomites! LMAO!
Where does that place Ron Paul then ? Even the Birchers support the Audit (and I don’t know if you can get further right than John and his boys)
good on ya for calling. I’ll call in a few, if I can calm the hell down
wrt being better prepared, here is Scarecrow’s initial response to Bernie’s ‘deal’ fabulous synopsis of all that’s wrong with it
If only the people in the U.S. were willing to exhibit the outrage demonstrated by the Greeks.
You know what, you are right. I agree with that.
Good comment, but more importantly… how did you do that upside-down and backwards trick??? I’m impressed ; )
Looks like we might have a dead link there.
BTW, I just called Sanders’ office and asked what he got out of the deal? The telephone guy said, “I honestly don’t know. Probably to get it to pass…”
Little bit thin, Senator.
Thanks Jane. I’m trying not to be depressed (or defeatist!), but the two party system is killing us and they obviously have no interest in any reforms that will break their stranglehold on power. There has to be a way though, I’m just not bright enough to see it…
Link didn’t work for me. I’ll find it, though, and thanks.
Dean Baker wrote a piece entitled “Unwashed Masses 1, Fed 0″: Sanders Scores” on Common Dreams. What a bunch of garbage. I expected much better from Dean Baker.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/05/07-5
Destroy the Fed has been Ron Paul’s lifelong dream. Libertarians don’t support the the existence of a government-affiliated central bank moderating the business cycle.
There are a lot of conflict-of-interest problems with the Fed, but it still serves a useful function and did bring a stop to the financial panic that hit Wall Street.
The loss of preventing “too big to fail” is a bigger setback that the watering down of Grayson-Paul in the Senate.
If the Sanders amendment passes on Tuesday as currently written, it will discover what happened after December 1, 2007 and will provide from December 2007 and continuing into the future a listing of lending (but not open market) transactions of the Fed and the terms.
There is a legitimate concern about information about Fed transactions destabilizing the capital markets in near panic situations. IMHO the Sanders amendment comes nowhere near creating this situation or increasing this risk; indeed, it might lower the risk by letting other parties know the terms of bailout loans instead of speculating about them and adopting a worse case reading of them.
The increased use of not-well-understood algorithms in computer-generated trading is more of a hazard in near-panic situation.
Here’s Simon Johnson being interviewed on HP.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/13-bankers-live-video-int_n_565213.html
Amen, Jane. Thanks for this.
Crash the fucking phones! Let Bernie know the gig is up. He usually spends the whole hour saying how it’s “hard, so hard” to get anything good done in the Senate. Riiiiight.
It’s “hard” because they are so soft.
‘xaclty. It’s always the kid gloves. Hartmann interviews a lot of republics too.
;-))
crap ! Simon Johnson just said Sanders amend ‘”good first step” and only those “who are paranoid about the Fed” will be unhappy with it.
guys I didn’t realize he was such a cock eyed optimist – overall sentiments, momentum is shifting away from TBTF and will simply take some time.
p.s. have I missed Grayson’s response ??
So the “findings” will be made available to Congressional leadership, while “most of the details of the Fed’s transactions” (in other words, whatever can be sufficiently scrubbed) will be made available to the great unwashed. Bullshit. And what about Greenspan’s (or Mr. Andrea Mitchell, as I like to think of him) tenure as Fed chairman? Does he just get a pass? Bullshit again.
Yes. Did we even get the oversight of TARP that we were promised? I remember Liz Warren saying no, she was shut out. Nice set of laws we got, huh. None of it matters. They can pass us all the laws we want, they just ignore them.
Ooooh, good one! He deserves a taste of what actual people are thinking about his sell-out.
Just a reminder.
Bernie Sanders will be on the Thom Hartman show today, “Brunch with Bernie” at 12:00 EST. Feel free to call in and ask him about his latest dance moves.
http://www.620kpoj.com/pages/hartmann_nationwide.html
I had a strong feeling for Ron Paul during the last election. Had he been the Republican nominee, I may very well, likely, even, have voted for him, particularly when Obama did his switcheroo in FISA.
Yes! Go Ron Paul! All the way!
Explain to Johnson that there’s a little process known as “conference” that still has to be surmounted, and that Dodd, Shelby and Frank are the conferees.
What is this, MoveOn pickets Kucinich 2.0?
Hartman likes to interview a lot of conservatives and libertarians. It’s his shtick.
Given Sanders performance on HCR I’m not surprised by this. I used to respect Sanders.
Thanks, Jane!
Here’s my question. Now that we know Sanders is just another Kabuki arteest, I am NO fan of Paul, but I am wondering …
How much Kabuki does Ron Paul do?
If Ron Paul isn’t guilty of Kabuki, I will seriously reconsider my disdain for him.
New post up top…
The number for Thom Hartman’s “Brunch with Bernie” is
1-866-987-THOM (8466)
The tap dancer extraordinaire will be on at 12 EST.
While I wholeheartedly agree with the venom aimed at Sanders on this issue, I don’t exactly feel comfortable heaping praise on Ron Paul. He has zero love for working men and women.
And I agree with those who say TBTF is a much bigger loss. Citizens don’t need a microscope; they need an axe. Nothing changes without breaking up the banks. Just as nothing changes without a public option or single payer. It’s all in what is done with the direction of the status quo, and none of the legislation passed has changed the course of the status quo in this country; in fact, if anything, it’s added more momentum to the wrong players.
I didn’t realize I was “paranoid” about the Fed.
If you aren’t listening, his overall sentiment seems to be ‘good first step’, ‘will take time, blah, blah, blah’
kinda surprised by this in that this is a guy who got punked by TBTF astroturfers
am busy trying to formulate a more pointed question wrt Sanders and all that Scarecrow had to say about the FOMC exemption – will report back if he responds
They don’t ever really fight it, so how can they say it’s impossible to beat the system. Not one of them is willing to die (politically speaking) for any single cause.
For example, Sanders could stop any (ANY!) bill he wanted to in the Senate. Full stop. End of story. Now that would be a stink. THAT would be a constitutional crisis. System’s broken: prove it!!! ‘Cause the system works just find for all these shills, thankyouverymuch.
Paul could stop any bill too for that matter … so I am not ready to give any of them a pass.
So far, all I see is another fine speech.
I don’t think Ron Paul does much kabuki. I haven’t seen him play that game, anyway. He may have some pretty far out ideas on the economy, but really, look Obama’s policies. And now Mike Allen says Obama’s going to nominate Kagan for SCJ. I’ll take Ron Paul any day. At least, that’s how I feel right now.
It is not the democratic party that is totally corrupt, it is the clowns that act like democrats that we elect.
The democratic party has been hijack by a bunch of corporate sell outs.
The majority of americans want to audit the fed, (Obama does not)
the majority of Democrats voters wanted a public option, (Obama and the phony dems in congress did not)
the majority of democratic voters wanted drug importation (Obama and the phony dems in congress did not)
the majority of democratic voters did not want to be force to buy health insurance (Obama and the phony dems in congress thought this was an awesome idea)
again I repeat the democratic party has been hijack, by some corporate sell outs
Like I said, if anyone thinks for one minute that this congress will ever vote to break up the big banks or bring the Fed to heel, please check yourself into the nearest asylum, stat! It ‘ain’t going to happen. We are wasting our time with this congress and this president. Why not use our time and resources to begin organizing a third party and helping to throw out ALL incumbents, including Bernie Sanders? How about it, Jane?
there is the no small matter of his anti-choice stance, further weighted in his being an Ob-Gyn by training
flies in the face of his less intrusive govt stance, doncha think ?
They never really fight it, so how can they come to this conclusion? It’s what we keep saying: they like it this way. EVEN Sanders.
Simon Johnson just said the WH has been negligent about Greece until the last day or so.
Thanks. I am all for anybody shaking things up!
When I listen (and I don’t anymore) to Paul though I really cringe at his ideas. He doesn’t make sense. It’s a problem. Out of the mainstream is fine. But, you gots to make sense!
Hear no evil. See no evil.
My email to Hartmann: I am hugely disappointed, along with so many others, that Bernie Sanders caved once again, to get a deal. Now the Fed will pick and choose what is made public in an audit. PLEASE_ do not screen any callers out who may want to confront Bernie about this. It’s all about free speech, right? Geez…I stand with Ron Paul on this one.
That’s the kind of thing that makes me crazy. I wouldn’t want him as a doctor anywhere near me, let alone the cognitive dissonance of never telling anyone (men?) what to do but controlling women’s bodies. Gah.
Let’s talk about alternatives. I’ve mentioned one from time to time and got no takers. email me at eekunin at aol.com
Maybe we can come up with something. Somewhat off topic, but working together on line might take place right here at FDL. Don’t know if Jane would mind letting the inmates run the asylum? My pet peeve is moderators although I don’t recall being moderated. I don’t think they’re necessary. Perhaps we can collectively reach a conclusion.
Campaign for Liberty is saying Vitter plans to propose the REAL audit the FEd language. Per Politico, the GOP wants to bring Bennett in to vote on it (the guy is likely to go under in primaries and they want to give him substance to throw to the hordes apparently, but whatever their reason, great. Will they hold firm? Your guess is as good as mine but melting the phone and fax lines to Senators will at least remind them of how toxic this is to their careers.
You say Sanders’ language would make things worse by pretending it is addressed. I agree, but if it is the Mel Watt language it is worse than that it PROHIBITS some audits currently allowed.
To another poster, no, Ron Paul doesn’t do Kabuki, not even a little. That is why we love him and special interests hate him. (Loved his dead lowest score in Congress by the Chamber of Commerce this week!)
I smell veal in the morning.
Can someone give me a straight answer/full explanation as to how to take this latest Sanders flip-flop? I’ve read conflicting accounts about how this is either audit-in-name-only or how the changes were merely a face-saving measure to allow the White House to act like it got something when it really had the audit shoved down its throat. How should I interpret the changes?
Thank you for that on Bernie’s appearance today, this link goes up on Campaign for Liberty and Daily Paul.
Jane speaks of the conservademsbing whores. It seems to me based on my reading of a couple other os her postings, she likes the world. Now prefer, rent-a-boys. Just me
I am a little not-surprised by Bernie Sanders’ folding but I am pissed as hell over the Kaufman bill getting voted down. I would love to see massive numbers of letters to editors in local papers about both of these bow downs to the Fed and the banks. I want these asshats in the senate to know the public is watching them closely right now.
Comparing a whore to a conservadem is just insulting to whores. Whores only take a few hundred dollars and are often victims. The conservadems have taken our money and country and left us with little or no chance of a happy ending.
It seems to me that this is the weak point that FDL should be attacking. We all know a bigger crash is in the offing because the Greek crisis is merely the shape of things to come. FDL should start a campaign NOW that says all of these people that voted against this OWN the consequences of that decision. They take responsibility for it. That way, when something worse does happen, these rats have no where to hide. They can’t come up with the excuse of the decade, “How was anyone to know?”
You say Ron Paul has no love for the working man and woman and you are SO WRONG>…. Right now let’s attack this betrayal, but Ron Paul is all about the working man and woman against special interests. In the end you may think your approach is better, if you think government is trustworthy to manage huge funds under the nose of special interests. That is the primary divide between libertarian and progressives, after all. But Ron Paul absolutely believes his way is the best way to protect all individuals, by not giving power of the individual away to those who can be corrupted.
Rahm seems to have forgotten what happened in 1994.
He’s about to get a reminder come November.
Agreed.
He want’s to sell off our national forests to corporations and he is against unions. I would say that is not in the working mans interest.
Point well made.Sanders is a pretender,he is now going to come before us & say …oh…well I just couldn’t get support so I had to water it down.
All these people are taking us for stupid.
My belief is to just stay home when it’s voting time,let the GOP win so that this ship goes down in flames.
The GOP is like an abusive husband ,who is not afraid to hit you in the face for the Corporations in public,with the Dems they will not hit you in public but behind closed doors they will kick the crap out of ya on behalf of the Corporations.
So wanting to privatize national forests and being anti-union is enough to dismiss RP out of hand even though he is the most consistent pro-transparency, pro-civil liberties, anti-war, anti-drug war candidate in the House?
That is ludicrous to me. There is good debate to be had about both of those issues (natl. forests and unions) and the issue of life/choice, but that litmus test you use above is absurd IMO.
Unfortunately, for Ron Paul “those who can be corrupted” does not include corporate boards, executives, and managers.
I originally supported most of the Sanders’ compromise amendment…until
I started reading that the Red Klotz’s of the Progressive blogosphere – Yglesias, Klein, Chait, Booman, etc. -either supported it or, were indifferent towards it.
Might have to take a second look at my position.
Paul didn’t say he wants to control women’s bodies. He says the abortion issue should be decided by the states.
He also wants to restore the rule of law and the bill of rights. That is definitely in the working man’s interest.
A bigger crash is coming because it has to come. Every time a bank is bailed out or a big corporation is bailed out with govt funds that old moral hazard appears that encourages more behavior that led to the crisis because the govt has telegraphed that it will be there, no matter what its stooges say publicly.
Minsky laid it out in 1986 just before the ’87 crash, the history of bailouts, the crisis in commercial paper in ’66, the Chrysler bailout. He was right on the money about what happens when bailouts happen. Each one is bigger than the last one. WRT banks, look at the Resolution Trust Corp set up by Bush Sr after the S&L debacle. Bill Seidman appointed head of the board, big boys get taken care of, and taxpayers at the time and their (our) kids and grandkids are on the hook for the interest payments to the tune of about $90 billion. Then we get the Long Term Capital Management failure in ’98 and again we bail out BANKERS!! Private ones at that, a fucking hedge fund.
We were forced at the point of a gun to bailout the banks by Bush and Paulson. Bush had issued an executive order almost a year before the election that said in case of an emergency that threatened the national security of the US, the president could declare martial law. One of the trigger events was a financial meltdown anywhere in the world. Paulson actually threatened that. In case no one remembers it was reported in the media at the time. Like Bush’s “We’re on a crusade” comment, I only heard this once, but I did hear it. And the recent announcement by Pelosi that Paulson and Bush refused to have any contact with congress as far as consulting, I lean towards the threat being legitimate.
We have fixed nothing so nothing will change, plain and simple.
This is a good idea.
Also Jane, I think we need an updated post on defeating triangulation. We need a running dialogue about how to keep these Conservadems from waffling whenever they feel the political winds change.
He is NOT against unions, he is for all voluntary association — he thinks THAT is what ‘community’ is, not government. He has reasons for his votes and I am not sure which precise one you are discussing with the forests, but in any event, that does not go to ‘Kabuki’. I understand not everyone will agree with him, but can’t understand why principled people wouldn’t at least respect him.
you say they’ll get another chance to expand the cover up in conference — and they will. But the House passed the Ron Paul/Grayson language and we must insist the Senate pass THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE so they have no room to wiggle without it being an obvious sell out falling squarely on the shoulders of the conferees.
It does include them, but not all of them. And they only gain as much power as they have to shaft us IF they are given regulatory preference by government. Again, I don’t intend to make converts on this issue today, and don’t really have more time for it, today. Let’s fight for the real audit and I would be delighted to get back to this debate another time. In the end, though, I don’t mind if you disagree with me. Let’s just work together on issues where we do wholeheartedly agree, like this one.
Gramps needs to learn the difference between what you, as a human or congressman can or can’t control.. But the real wisdom is knowing the difference..
There’s a couple of ok hang out joints in Lake Jackson, tx.. he ought to just find a stool down there, climb on and stay…
reader – ‘Paul could stop any bill too…’ bullshit. How, in the House? You can’t filibuster, you can’t even SPEAK unless leadership allots you time…
You made me spill my laptop, fucker lol.
I’m glad to see you people appreciate Ron Paul (if just for the moment).
Correction……
“Go away Alan Grayson.”
Ron Paul always favors corporate boards over the worker. His record is crystal-clear on this. This isn’t a “Democrats are better” argument; they’re all useless tools as well. But let’s hold our horses on the apotheosis of Ron Paul and his law of the jungle mindset.
You might be interested in this ‘brunch with the tapdancer’ thread: http://dailypaul.com/node/133879#comment-1430228
I still need someone to interpret the deal that Sanders agreed to. If it’s bad, how is it bad? I honestly don’t know because I’ve read contradictory assessments of this.
http://washingtonindependent.com/84141/john-mccain-not-so-mavericky-anymore#more-84141
on Ron Paul’s lack of Kabuki inclination.
Bernie Sanders is just part of the kabuki machine. It’s all about pseudo-fights covering for an overall corporatist agenda. You can vote Democrat or Republican. You can vote conservative or progressive. It doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, every politician in Washington, in Congress or the Administration, is a corporate whore. Bernie Sanders is a “progressive” one. Ron Paul is a libertarian one. Neither will protect us from the depredations of the corporations. They only don’t do it in different ways.
Hartmann likes to hear himself talk… Period
If the guest says anything interesting, count on tom to interrupt with an even longer wordier “lead on question”
When our Senators look in a mirror, do they see pods?
I can’t wait to get rid of this crowd. Gotta send a message to our Senators that the water down is career ending unacceptable. Hold them all accountable for the water down. Obama doesn’t own the Senate unless the Senate lets him.
I admit this is sadly futile in my state, we have the 1-2 crazy crooked combo of Lieberman & Dodd.
So, what do you think motivates Bernie Sanders? Did he cave because:
* He was promised something he wanted.
* He was threatened.
* He’s a wimp.
- Tom
Show me one vote, one place EVER where Ron Paul sold out. And if it is an unConstitutional bill he voted against, remember, he takes his oath seriously. Find one place where he went AGAINST his stated principles.
I am confident you can’t.
What the reality of the way our government works, and the perceptions, may be “dissonant” in a cognitive sort of way. There may be a kind of dare I call it “socialism”… living and thriving in the midst of all the faux constitutional conservative laize fair histrionics, that is tacitly denied in most polite company?
A socializm that specializes in bringing to the banks according to their needs
Bernie is a fitting representive for it, I knew it made sense, just had to work it around a bit.
You misunderstand. In Ron Paul’s case, it is his stated principles that are the problem. Libertarians don’t want to bailout corporations but at the same time they will stand by and let those corporations screw everyone over in sight. That is what laissez-faire capitalism means and last I heard libertarians were big proponents of it. Hence my statement above, Paul and Sanders differ as to methods but the end result, screwing over ordinary Americans, is much the same.
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Please elaborate on how corporations can screw anyone at all without government interference in the market. I will not defend corporate greed and excess, but corporate collusion with government is the only means by which corporations can make taxpayers liable for losses.
Anybody who got a chance to listen to Hartmann’s program when Bernie was on, please post a quick recap. Did Bernie get skewered by any callers? What was his response? How much did Hartmann defend him?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hugh, I have no problem with our being in disagreement on areas, that is a given. I think you are wrong you think I am. Cool. But that isn’t the Kabuki dance issue.
Here is the Bernie the Tap Dancer show on Hartmann’s program — but they were screening calls and turning away duplicate issues after a while:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSrrHFu68zM
2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66OWjuYeTXI
3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIIdbif0NJM
4 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL9R_az93dw
Corporatist: Central Government Sponsored, Protected Legislated Profits, Legislated Purchase Mandates, Legislated and Rule Made Oligopolies with Private Ownership is not Capitalism. Redcoats are here again [edited by mod].
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It’s more like the Fed caused the housing bubble and were incompetent to stop it.
Probably in reality the didn’t want to stop the bubble caused it served the interests of their owners, i.e. the “too big to fail” banks.
Alan Grayson on the Audit the Fed castration.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/05/rep-alan-grayson-you-own-red-roof-inn.html
Apologies in advance for linking through Mish.
Corps don’t need government to engage in predatory practices. Indeed as we saw in the run up to the housing bubble burst and meltdown, corps wanted government out of markets, or at least out of their way. The result was markets crashed. However what if the corps had simply been smarter predators feeding off the system but not quite sending it over the edge? In a libertarian world, that would be considered perfectly OK.
Sanders compromise is a no go. Full Dr Ron audit only.
Listened to the archived podcast of the Thom Hartman show this morning. What a pathetic piece of work Bernie has become. So sick of listening to him cry about “how hard it is” to pass legislation. How about you start calling people out? Forcing their hands. He’s just as bad as Kucinich. Nice job Bernie. This and the HCR fiasco. You sir are a shadow of your former self.
2010, Kucinich, Grayson and Bernie all continue to show their true colors.
To quote George Bernard Shaw:
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the conditions that surround him… The unreasonable man adapts surrounding conditions to himself… All progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
Bernie and the rest of you, you are no longer (or ever were) unreasonable men. You are all talk and no show for the progressive/liberal cause.