Hey, Sierra Club: There’s a giant flaming ball of oil being pushed straight for the coasts of Alabama and Mississippi. Might be the worst environmental event in decades. I know it makes the President’s recent decision to allow offshore drilling look. . . well, awkwardly timed, but this is, sort of, you know, your issue, and there’s no mention of it on your landing page. Was it not on the agenda at the Tuesday afternoon veal pen meeting?
Shortly after Obama took office, the White House tried to cut Social Security benefits, but they had to back off, fearful that they would lose the support of liberal interest groups who joined together en masse behind the scenes to oppose it. The administration subsequently herded them all into a room, threatened their funding, and captivated them in an effort to pass a health care bill written by the Heritage Foundation and the insurance industry. And the progressive groups went along with it, proving that there is absolutely no limit to what they’ll accept.
Of course, the White House is going to go after Social Security again. It’s the pot of gold at the end of Wall Street’s rainbow, and they desperately want that injection of cash which could keep their giant ponzi scheme from exploding. . . for a little while.
Lucky for them, Obama has successfully dismantled the opposition that kept George Bush from privatizing Social Security at Wall Street’s behest only a few years ago. Did anybody fail to get that message when majority whip Dick Durbin yesterday told “bleeding heart liberals” that they need to be willing to accept cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits for the economic well-being of the nation?
And there will be zero pushback. Right now liberal interest groups are afraid to oppose Elana Kagan’s nomination to the Supreme Court because they fear Obama will triangluate against them and they’ll look impotent to their donors. Just as the choice groups sat on their hands for the Nelson amendment in the health care bill, just like the Sierra Club remains mute in the wake of an oil spill the size of Delaware, there will be nothing more than progressive window-dressing in opposition to cutting Social Security benefits this time around. Any of these groups utter so much as a whimper in response to Durbin’s very alarming statement yesterday? Nada. Zip. Zero.
The idea that the right is more “authoritarian” and top-down than the left is absurd. Conservatives successfully organized to keep Harriet Miers off the bench for having an insufficient record, they kicked Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist out, and they’re getting ready to expel Bob Bennett — very much against the will of the party. The GOP had to get on board or lose the support of their base. Meanwhile, Democratic leadership still celebrates Joe Lieberman every day, rubbing our noses in it for ever having had the audacity to challenge him in the first place.
John Pilger presciently predicted this liberal capitulation to corporate America in May of 2008:
An Obama victory will bring intense pressure on the US antiwar and social justice movements to accept a Democratic administration for all its faults. If that happens, domestic resistance to rapacious America will fall silent.
And, as Paul Street noted last fall:
[I]n the absence of meaningful anger and protest on the left, the dodgy Republican right wing and its still-potent “noise machine” is absurdly left to soak up and express much of the legitimate “populist rage” that ordinary Americans quite naturally feel over Washington’s continuing captivity to concentrated wealth, corporate-direction, and the military-industrial complex in the Age of Obama. Resentment abhors a vacuum.
Congratulations progressives, our already weakened institutions have finally tumbled. BP, this year’s Exxon-Mobil, is spared the PR nightmare of their own Exxon-Valdez-sized disaster this time around. As we watch that flaming ball of oil make its way to the coasts of Alabama and Mississippi our corrupt environmental groups do nothing about their signature issue that might make the White House uncomfortable.
I think it’s safe to say that the progressive movement’s resistance to the agenda of corporate America is officially dead.
Update: Jim White notes that the Sierra Club now has the oil spill on its front page. Because it’s been what, 11 days since it started? I mean, what’s the hurry.





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Jane, are you jealous because during the HCR debate you didn’t think of
“Add a pledge to our POP Hero map and win a trip for two to Hawaii“?
I heard that Obama was gonna appoint Farakhan to the supreme court, is tht true. If that was true I would push for Rev. Wright instead at least because he’s Harvard educated and the only judgment he has is with America not really Americans,he fought for his country anyways check this story on who Obama definitly won’t appoint
http://bit.ly/b3p32Q
Damn! If only I’d thought of that.
I have you playing Margot Channing in my remake of All About Eve – with Kos (or any of the other validators) playing Eve to Rahm’s Addison – caught in a “stupid lie”, but now forever bound to him by it
While this isn’t exactly news here at FDL, one wonders what will replace the old and impotent order and how we will get from where we are to where we need to be.
Given the definitions that Beck, Limbaugh and company have been giving to Progressives lately maybe death of the movement is a good thing. At least now we know who really supports the appropriate causes. It is a shame, though, that so many of these groups have taken our money under what turns out to have been false pretenses.
What no mention of ending the wars Dick?
A Clinton Sister Souljah moment. Forget Triangulation we are more in tune with what voters want than the Dems. The Dems only look Left compared to the GOP.
Madness! Madness! Madness!
This subject is just too depressing.
Heh. Now the Sierra Club has the spill first on the landing page, calling drilling “Dirty, Dangerous and Deadly”. How long would it have taken them to get there if Jane hadn’t pointed out the obvious?
Jane – I view the Dik’s statement yesterday as a trial balloon, and so far it’s still heading up, very little opposition.
Unbelievable (not really)
Of course they are going to attack SS again. There is 3 trillion dollars at stake. The SOLVENT Social Security Trust Fund has been ‘borrowed’ from, where money was to be lent to other branches WITH INTEREST, for 30 years.
Now it’s time to figure out a way to repay that money. How will they do that in the face of record budget deficits? By raising military spending another 9% and stealing the money from people who already paid for their entitled benefits.
Any attempt at reducing benefits of SS is by any definition outright theft by the government. Anyone who passes a bill that does this should be impeached and run out of politics on a rail.
Only if you call Obama and the Blue Dogs Left. But since Obama lied to us to get elected he and the Blue dogs really can’t be called Left now can they?
The progressive movement died during the primaries, when Obama’s supporters started calling their fellow Democrats racists.
Here is some recent history, a Blue Texan post from Mar. 31. That was when the Administration sold out to the Oil companies. The Boner said this plan for off shore drilling did not go far enough.
me
PJEvans
I think this is perhaps the best of times and worst of times. This period will allow us to have an actual liberal/progressive movement vs the Obama kool-aid/dem lovin/anybody but republican faction.
I think for Jane, myself, and many here and at places like Mike Malloy forums, and people like Chomsky and Cindy Sheehan, we represent what we liberals say we’re about.
You then have the other faction found in great numbers at Dkos, MoveOn, etc.
My approach now is to stop my support for MoveOn and support the Green Party as much as I can. Obama and his dems can go to hell. Have some of you seen this from Greenwald?
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/30-3
I’m glad to see they added mention of the spill as their first slide, with a link to their campaign to halt drilling — not that that changes the point of the post.
The Bush Presidency was failing even when Harriet Miers lost the job the wolfpack is trying to choose a new leader. We should be expecting more fighting and a GOP civil war. When a new leader with new ideas emerges the wolves will all start following the leader again.
Us however we are always fighting of course maybe because we have not had a leader in decades.
Let me tie in Shock Doctrine here. We haven’t noted its role recently, but surely the harsh economic times for ordinary folks leave them less left over for social, political, environmental actions. And O is taking full advantage.
Jane —
Leave the veal pen alone. They’re trying to get some sleep.
I’ve been thinking of calling myself a “yappy bitch” instead of progressive. Fred Phelps website gave me idea. Phelps re: Laramie Project “Yes, that is what this nation needs, more pushy loud-mouthed women yip-yapping lies about Matthew Shepard. What part of SHUT UP do you silly women NOT understand?”
Call women yappy and gets them going. Certainly got me going. Maybe Obama will do us a favor.
This is Obama’s Katrina moment. From here on, it’s all downhill for his popularity. He’s the Kurt Warner of politics; out of nowhere to win the Superbowl and then a fast decline.
Not many people will be voting for him in 2012. So get behind a someone that can primary him.
meanwhile, back in Fierce Pragmaticstan, Preznit Level Headed . . .
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/04/obama_says_oil_drilling_must_be_done_responsibly.php?ref=fpa
sorry ‘dogs/Mods, this is my 1st day on a Mac, and I am still somewhat lost on the whole link thingy
Watch Obama punish Goldman Sachs by mandating that GS run SS without any controls on GS but strong requirements that we send money to GS. Watch Obama punish BP by mandating that we buy a certain amount of gas from BP, but there not being any controls over how BP operates. The past two examples would seem to be in line with how Obama punished the healthcare industry by mandating everyone buy their product while being sure there wasn’t any sort of real controls over the industry.
Every day that passes, Obama elicits the same response from me as Bush. Cold disgust.
fixed it for ya Tex :D
What has the Green Party said/done about the spill?
I read oil drilling is stalled. I read Goldman is going to trial. The thing about choosing being right about the facts rather than power first is we get power after the power first crowd fails to control their appetite.
The Gilded Age gave us Hoover and his failure gave us FDR. Reagan’s gilded age gave us Bush and now Obama its always darkest before the dawn.
Or we could turn into Nazi Germany if that new immigration law passes. Hitler, Stalin , FDR our are choices for the future.
It feels to me that the Democratic Party has become the party we were voting against thirty and forty years ago.
So where’s the one we were voting for?
I’m not voting for conservaDems, Blue Dogs, or Republican-lites next fall.
Any cuts to SS will cause the Homeless situation to double within a matter of months, if not weeks. Arnold in Ca. already keeps the Cost of Living Increases every yr for his own budget. The IRS used the 300.00 payments to the elderly and disabled last yr. as a way to track down those that owed back taxes and then garnished some of those funds cutting the income of the poorest already. We can’t take anymore cuts.
Can I ask why the left doesn’t have a person to vote for? If we want the Democrats to move left and the progressive movement to be alive, every reader of this blog, Daily Kos, Huff Post, etc has to get out on election days and vote for the Green Party, actual Communist Party, actual Socialist Party candidate etc. that’s running. Losing a state because progressives didn’t default to the Democrat but say to…Ralph Nader, grabs attention. Just ask Al Gore. Petition signed here aren’t working. The petition can have a million signatures on it, won’t work. Unseating Blanche Lincoln…that gets attention. A few thousand people marching on Washington, that won’t work. 2 million showed up to the inauguration, that still didn’t get the Democrats attention. Losing FL because a few thousand progressive voted for Alan Grayson in say..a presidential election a few years from now? That’s a swift kick to the nuts.
I am trying to organize people to go down to LA to help clean birds, etc. I need help. I can find places for people to stay. That is what I have to offer right now. Please contact me via my facebook thingie. Click on the F next to my name. If the environmental groups are moving too slowly maybe we can show them how it is done.
There’s no way to know for sure. I agree with some of the commenters at Seymour Friendly’s earlier posts on this, that the mainstream environmental non-profits are mostly in shock.
Nobody, including BP the USCG, the Navy, Homeland Security, or the local smalltime fishers in the Gulf, is ready to deal with this, because there is no way to deal with this once it happens. It just happens, and will slowly slime hundreds of miles of Gulf of Mexico shoreline, and kill hundreds of thousands of birds, tens of thousands of marine mammals, millions upon millions of oysters, crawfish and shrimp.
The dispersants the USCG and Navy will deploy will eventually – about 2025 – be determined to have been an awful decision, sucking the life out of tens of thousands of square miles of ocean and ocean floor. The unemployed lower Delta workers that BP and others will deploy along the coastline will eventually develop maladies associated with their exposure to toxins along the beaches.
There will be cries upon cries about designing technology that can deal with the next big one, and more equipment that will not work will be ordered. BP will be sued by the tens or hundreds of thousands of people their negligence hurt. It will work its way up through the courts over the next 25 years, only to result in meager awards to the survivors or the next of kin of the Gulf spill damages.
Scores, if not hundreds, of victims of the spill – fishers, oystermen and women, charter boat operators, nature industry operators, will commit suicide. Many others will go through decades of rage, some taking their depression out upon their families.
BP will hire scientists that will explain that – I’ll be brief here – there was no appreciable damage that will not be mitigated soon by the relentlessly healing forces of nature herself. Trust me, BP has already deployed far more lawyers on this, from Alaska to London to Houston to Pensacola, than they have deployed oil spill cleanup people. To BP, attorneys and scientists for hire ARE cleanup people.
More offshore wells will be drilled, with a few more safety measures in place. Then, soon, there will be the next next big one, and we’ll go through this entire process again.
What has the Green Party said/done about the oil spill?
thank you Jane!!!!!!
If we can confirm that and how much more the lawyers are paid that the oil spill cleaners are we have something we can use provided we can get it on the air.
I don’t think the Mac would be any different than a Windows machine. You type the title (or words to represent the link), then highlight it and click the link button at the top of the response window and paste in the URL. Same as always.
I’ll e-mail all the people I know in Ms and ask them to consider going down to help. I hope you get lots to go.
To its credit, Oceana appears to be wading into the Horizon disaster, starting up some blazing guns. I am hoping today/tomorrow, time allowing, to get a follow-on diary going with a summary of whatever activist organization involvement I can see.
FWIW, the Sierra Club appears to be largely an organization that exists to recruit lots of people, get lots of membership fees and donations, and then send out (paper junk) mailers endorsing Democratic Party candidates and legislation.
Wow. That’s an incredible impact. Check out Scarcrow’s latest for an interesting assessment of how we’ve had the truth hidden from us for days by BP, Halliburton and the Coast Guard.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100430/us-oil-rig-explosion-florida/
Oh no! Rich people with beach front property are going to see their real estate values go down even more.
This could help us win GOP voters.
Also, I sadly second Jane Hamsher’s conclusion that the progressive resistance to corporate and plutocratic America is dead. In the case of the Sierra Club, for example, we seem to have an organization now effectively run by the same plutocracy that runs corporate America. An activist organization run by the same interests that it claims to want to pressure for reforms is probably not going to be effective.
I’m thinking an entirely new approach to confronting the reality of all this impending death may be in order. Documentation of the effects of the oil on nature is paramount, perhaps even more important than putting efforts into trying to save individual animals, once they’ve been oiled. Video teams of guerrilla artists and journalists should strive to gain access to the beaches. One thing big oil and the government learned from the Exxon Valdez is that they can control the story to a certain extent if they can limit access to the damaged areas to a few, trusted documentarians.
I’m hoping to write a diary on some of my feelings about this for The Seminal.
thanks – am slowly finding my way :D
The DOE put has recently conducted a study with the US military which states that oil shortfalls will begin within a year and a half with oil essentially running out within twenty years .
The study is based on a very modest rate of growth world wide making it likely an underestimation .
This oil spill , is a disaster for both the environment and Obama’s plan to open the East coast and Alaska up to oil drilling . Palin’s plan if I remember correctly .
The polar ice caps have vanished almost completely with in the last 10 years and scientists have moved on from how we stop the loss of the polar ice and glaciers world wide to how do we survive the fact that it is now probably irreparable .
Modest steps in the face of these impending disasters will spell immeasurable human suffering .
Too late now .
Jane, keep hitting the veal pen with this. It takes people a while to figure out what’s happening–we watch in disbelieve and horror (and denial) where our leadership is taking us. We can start by shaming the little calves into doing what they’re supposed to do or if they’re unshameable at least withhold donations from them. I’m mad and going to let Sierra Club and Greenpeace, etc know that they’re supposed to be out in front pushing these issues not waiting for the administration to give the okay.
And here I thought they were out to Lunch, being fattened up for the slaughter
Get reporters to talk to Mary and bring along some sneaky small cameras and tape recorders.
That’s been pretty much my sense of the organization as well from when I considered joining the Oregon chapter. Low-level functionaries seemed very passionate and on point about protecting, appreciating, and experiencing the great outdoors, but the organization seemed to be, at best, a thinly veiled Democratic Party booster corporation.
The vast majority of the worlds population depends on glaciers for drinking water and irrigation , lakes rivers and ground water account for only 1% of the fresh water available on Earth .
To give you a sense of the impact globally on glaciers , one merely needs to look at our own glacier national park .The park ,actually named for it’s famous glaciers ,will be ice free within less than twenty years .
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090302-glaciers-melting.html
I do not know who is advising such groups. Not taking a stand looks even more impotent. The idea is that such groups act as a voice of accountability to corporate and government bodies on behalf of donors concerned about the issues the organization is suppose to represent. If they willfully back off representing donors due to fear, they do not deserve donor $$$’s.
The politics of fear needs to be a dead issue to such organization. They need to continue to move forward.
Besides, with O’s dropped ratings, what is there to be “worried” about anyway?
Sierra Club has been posting updates on its Facebook site non-stop since the incident. If you would have scrolled through the photo slide show, you would have seen coverage featured of the spill along with three other hot topics. Michael Brune was on Rachel Maddow last night discussing the spill. Carl Pope is blogging on the Sierra Club website. I respect Firedoglake’s work, but this is just shoddy, angry venting.
Having my Qs to both Green Party supporters go unanswered, I checked out their home page. No mention of oil disaster. They seem very much out to lunch.
Ooops, forgot link to Green Party home page.
That’s funny – I though the progressive movement died when it tried to join up with the Tea partiers and Grover Norquist… I keep forgetting, though, Queen Jane dictates while her courtiers drool…
Hanahaha
Point taken by why wasn’t this the lead story on their site? How many times have Lefty issues been covered by the New York Times a supposedly Liberal paper but buried on page 15 when they should have been front paged?
Try this:
This is a long slog but EVERYTHING is busting out on the table. The oil spill, Goldman sacks, the unwinnable war w/ torture and the economy are all a result of these creeps and their policies and it’s time to hang it on their necks.
Think of the unmanagable defense( war ) department at a billion dollars a day in 2001, they couldn’t mount any defense inside the US while we were under attack.
These are the most challenging times filled with peril but times with the greatest potential for change ,in all areas,that I can recall in my lifetime. Key word intelligent courage such as found here upon the lake.
Maybe you didn’t dig far enough:)
Headline: The Progressive Movement is Officially Dead.
Thank you. This is becoming more and more obvious every day. I used to identify myself to people as a progressive, I realize I no longer do, sullied as the term has become. It is a blow to the country that there is no large, organized movement on the left, worthy of the name. Especially in this time of national crisis, with rising populist anger, and the shameless looting of the poor and middle class by the corporations and the rich.
It is very disheartening. I am not yet through the grieving process to see clearly what, if anything, I personally can do at this point that would make any difference whatsoever.
I write diaries here and comment, in order to channel my frustration, but it is not enough. Reading Glenn Greenwald’s post today on Obama’s rejection of 40 years of sensible, moderate Supreme Court rulings as “judicial activism,” is just too disheartening for words.
Obama is the Clarence Thomas of the executive branch. The damage he is doing to our country, of course, is even worse.
Jane,
I don’t necessarily buy into your absolutism that the progressive movement is dead … there still is a pulse, you are proof of it … but I have a lot of respect for you calling these progressive groups out for being the failures … and worse, the sell-outs … that they are.
I hate to say this, coz I wish it wasn’t true, but the supposedly progressive politicians should be thrown into that mix as well, including the progressive “stalwarts” Kucinich, Sanders and Dean … who all went against their principles … and word, I believe …. and toed the party line on the health care insurance company bailout bill.
Z
As Jane pointed out, there is NO mention of it on it’s landing page.
I just went to it. She’s correct. (Oh wait, a recent tweet about the dangers of offshore drilling.)
BTW, I am a Sierra Club member. Not everyone does Facebook.
If it’s not important enough to highlight on the home page, that sez it all.
NYT says oil has reached land. That’s one of the most endangered and fragile areas in the country and a few Coast Guard ships have been sent in – well, isn’t that special. The Pentagon is talking to the Homeland Security people about doing something. blah, blah, blah.
The Gilded Age was the last third of the 19th century– from the death of Lincoln in 1865 to the death of McKinley in 1901 (whereupon his progressive VP, Teddy Roosevelt, became our youngest president).
As for Herbert Hoover, he was a good man who did his best. As Kevin Baker wrote last year, “The story of the real Herbert Hoover reads like something out of an Indiana Jones script, with touches of Dickens and the memoirs of Albert Schweitzer”. The thesis of Baker’s fascinating article is summed up in its three word title, “Barack Hoover Obama”.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562?redirect=1982284879
According to UN studies by 2050 more than two billion people in 48 countries will lack sufficient water. I suggest they are far too modest in their appraisal
The polar ice caps are history and climate change is a reality .
Oil is about to run out .
The worlds economy based on the Freidman-esque model of unmitigated greed as it sole motivation is failing ,driving the worlds markets toward disaster even as they attempt to pursue unmitigated profits in the face of the real problems we face as a species , unable to abandon a failed model.
I read initial reports at about midnight (cdt) of oil being at the booms within yards of shore.
(and skimmers being used near shore at the booms)
OK, agreed, JH. Progressivism is dead. Long live Progressivism!
Poetically speaking, now let’s dance a new progressivism into being on the corpse of the old order, as in the metaphor of the mother goddess, Kali, dancing the world into being on the corpse of her partner god/husband, Shiva, both of them having the time of their eternal lives, same as it’s ever been.
Those $2.9 billion that Timmy paid GS, and that Lloyd Blankfein doesn’t think were all that “material” to GS (if they hadn’t gotten paid 100 cents on the dollar), sure would come in handy right now!
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/04/green-party-of-florida-calls-on-obama-and-crist-to-declare-state-of-emergency-for-the-gulf-coast/
Madam,
you need to run for the Democratic nomination in 2012.
I wonder if the lawsuits re this spill will take as long as they did for Exxon. I don’t think most people in Alaska have gotten much money.
Color me unimpressed.
OK, as much as I enjoy a funeral like the next guy, lunch has been eaten, and I’m off to improve my own very local environment.
Bhopal, only less & longer.
Goldman Sachs co-conspirator and fraudster Henry Paulson is also an environmentalist. He was director of the Nature Conservancy. He is also bringing environmentalism to China. These super rich people are the defenders of the environment. The Nature Conservancy says on its webpage
There is nothing there about any drilling or oil spills.
Is Facebook really appropriate to serve as the spearhead of a media assault on offshore drilling as a disaster happens realtime?
There are a lot of Rich Defenders Of The Earth who don’t actually want to notice things like massive oil spills, etc., if that would mean going against corporate America. Environmentalism, sadly, has become a cocktail party favor for the very richest, a pose to strike while wearing a designer evening gown.
We need to form an America First labor and conservationist coalition to reinvigorate the Democratic party. We need to take this party back for the working class and tell the DLC to finally just go fuck itself running.
A union mine doesn’t blow up
A union oil rig doesn’t sink
Protectionism created middle class wealth and will do so again. (It’s doing so in China right now!)
We can elevate the conditions of the working classes elsewhere by insisting on labor and environmental standards in our trade agreements.
We need to make labor and environment the main focus of the party now that our economy and environment are ablaze (in the case of the environment…literally so). How can we do this?
Is it legal to call for a national strike until our bosses stop fucking blowing us up?
IIRC, it was a union oil rig.
Wow. Righteous rant. Thanks.
Ooh, very nice.
Yeah but no matter what we progressive humans call our political group(s) the Becks and Rushbags of the world will rant and smear.
Although that’s not nothing, since today they do, mostly, own The Microphone.
The Progressive Movement is Officially Dead . . .
And good ‘ole earth as we know it is dying.
Coincidence?
I agree with you 100%.
You’ve been doing great work on this SF. Thanks so much.
Agreed:)
That’s a money quote if ever there was one:
There was some bullshit episode of Front Line the other night and I saw at the end that their big sponsors were the oil companies. I can’t remember what it was, but it felt like the underlying message was global warming skepticism.
They’ve captivated PBS, that’s fer sure.
Interesting…I heard on the radio that it was non-union…but can’t find a reference either way.
The progressive movement as Jane so fittingly defines it was dead long before this. Progressivism, on the other hand, needn’t be.
Jane, I’m sure you get asked this a lot, but if the time is not now to form a party that unapologetically and uncompromisingly embraces, pushes for, and nominates candidates based upon Progressive ideals – and which vociferiously holds to account any of its tribe who claim to espouse those policies but in the end do not (the major failing of the Dems and the Greens, IMO) – when exactly will you believe that time has come? Just asking.
Or if you don’t want to use facebook (I agree,actually) I will be writing a Seminal blog today with contact info.
The Great Mississippi River flood broke the banks and levees of the lower Mississippi River in early 1927, resulting in flooding of millions of acres and leaving one and a half million people displaced from their homes. Although such a disaster did not fall under the duties of the Commerce Department, the governors of six states along the Mississippi specifically asked for Herbert Hoover in the emergency. President Calvin Coolidge sent Hoover to mobilize state and local authorities, militia, army engineers, Coast Guard, and the American Red Cross.
With a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation, Hoover set up health units to work in the flooded regions for a year. These workers stamped out malaria, pellagra, and typhoid fever from many areas. His work during the flood brought Herbert Hoover to the front page of newspapers almost everywhere, and he gained new accolades as a humanitarian. The great victory of his relief work, he stressed, was not that the government rushed in and provided all assistance; it was that much of the assistance available was provided by private citizens and organizations in response to his appeals. “I suppose I could have called in the Army to help,” he said, “but why should I, when I only had to call upon Main Street.”
The treatment of African Americans during the disaster endangered Hoover’s reputation as a humanitarian. Local officials brutalized blacks and prevented them from leaving relief camps, aid meant for African-American sharecroppers was often given to the landowners instead, and many times black males were conscripted by locals into forced labor, sometimes at gun point.[19] Knowing the potential ramifications on his presidential aspirations if such knowledge became public, Hoover struck a deal with Robert Moton, the prominent African-American successor to Booker T. Washington as president of the Tuskegee Institute. In exchange for keeping the suffering of African Americans out of the public eye, Hoover promised unprecedented influence for African Americans if he was elected president. Moton agreed, and consistent with the accommodationist philosophy of Washington, worked actively to suppress information about mistreatment of blacks from being revealed to the media. Following election, Hoover broke his promises. This led to an African-American backlash in the 1932 election that shifted allegiance from the Republican party to the Democrats.[Full c
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover#Mississippi_flood
My Bold If Obama is the New Herbert Hoover he’s doomed to end up like him.
ET: Thank you for your presence here to tell the truth you have learned from your life in Alaska. I know all of this having read your posts over that last three years ~ you are educating us well.
I can hardly bear to watch or hear about this. I know the platitudes are #$%^ing s*&t. This is going to be a hellish nightmare for decades.
I REALLY appreciate your perspective that citizen recording and reporting is a necessary response to do something about this. It really sickens me to think that honest, caring, charitable, hardworking Americans must go down to the beaches to try and save oiled animals and try to clean up this disaster. The people who will go to help did not cause this. The people who will go to help have been screaming to hoarseness for years about the dangers. Not only that, after Ground Zero, Exxon-Valdez, and “safe” mines and chemicals of every description that are NOT safe, I am really upset that these good Americans will suffer personally, physically, and financially as the land suffers.
And the obscene corporate profits will continue.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: John Boehner: Republicans Will Repeal Health Care Reform, Except for the Stuff That’s Awesome
I also do not see how this can be covered up once the devastation reaches the shorelines of 5 states. No one but the military (otherwise occupied in Iraq and Afghanistan combined) could *secure* this large an area. Not to mention I am sure Anderson Cooper is already on location.
Has any new outlet written about the 11 people who died? I haven’t seen anything – not a name, not an interview with a family member, etc. The lost and forgotten.
Does anyone have the statistics on ‘Green’ organization funding sources?
I read a piece couple of years ago, it stated that in environmental law, if a group files suit against a Federal Agency, if the Agency doesn’t respond adequately or timely, the Plaintiff is awarded ‘reasonable’ attorney fees for the delays or errors of the Agency in not following rules or statutes.
The article stated that the annual proceeds to the organizations is in the tens of millions of dollars. Seems like a cozy arrangement.
That was certainly the moment when I figured we were headed for trouble. That so many people got hung up on the “is Obama a bigger sexist than Hillary’s a racist” question. It was absurd, and a classic example of why we’ve had no power for a long time.
Yes, it’s the big deficit boogey man again. And don’t think they aren’t hatching plots to make our tax system even more regressive in their efforts to rein in the deficits that the bank bailouts and the endless, expensive wars are creating.
Despite the CW at FDL that the V.A.T. is a non-starter, it continues to be floated, even advocated, by the most influential actors, just over the last few days. Barack Obama, Paul Volker, both chairmen of the deficit reduction commission (Bowles and Simpson), and Nancy Pelosi, on the Charlie Rose Show, have recently spoken about it approvingly.
That they are floating this idea means they either want to see if it gets shot down, as Bush’s attempt to privatize social security was, or the oligarchy intends to create an echo chamber in the media of looming national bankruptcy (this Chicken-Little, sky-is-falling, fake drama is already happening), and thereby scare the American people into accepting this regressive form of taxation as an unfortunate necessity. This would be the next chapter in their highly successful strategy, disaster capitalism, the shock doctrine of impending financial meltdown, that effected the massive transfer of wealth referred to as the Wall Street bailout.
The oligarchy seems to get whatever they want these days, and repeated successes just makes them bolder, not satiated. When our political leaders start declaring this country is in some sort of crisis, we need to understand we are about to get robbed — again.
Or wait. The GOP is Addison, Palin is Marilyn, Obama is Eve, the real Left is Margot. Markos can be a starstruck stagehand with a crush on Eve.
The only place the Progressive movement can survive is the Internet. The media is not progressive. Even Rachel Maddown and Keith Olbermann went along with mandating health care and Rachel didn’t even ask the Nancy Pelosi about it when she had her on discussing the liberals’ issues with the health care bill. We can only find the truth when we look for it and the place to look is here. There is no such thing as liberal media in this country.
OK, EPA Region 6 + EPA Region 4 + Gulf Coastal States’ regulatory authorities. Waiting for statement by the Mexican Federal government …
April 27, 2010, “filed with the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF LOUISIANA” –
“Rig Explosion, Deaths and Oil Leak Caused by Criminal Negligence. TRANSOCEAN, BP and HALIBURTON Sued for Employee Death.“
Jane, not to be a Johnny One-Note, but it is becoming clearer and clearer that the pathways you and we have been relying on to bring some sanity back to this country no longer exist as viable options.
Time to rethink from the bottom up, a little zero-based reasoning.
A cebtrist thrid-party option may have seemed unrealistic to you when you first set youyr mind against it, but if you just make a judgment based upon all the facts and evidence prevailing at this very critical moment, I think a rational person must conclude that a centrist third party not only could win right out of the gate, but would also represent a huge and immediate improvement over the “corprations win every time” situation we are all crying about.
You’re right, the Progressive movement is dead. Let’s stand on the corpse and start something new and suited to the present moment—a CENTRIST THIRD PARTY.
This is “greenwashing” pure and simple. Fucking PR people fucking us.
Again, the story was part of a 4-photo slide show that cycles through each top story. It is a site feature. Wait long enough and the story will cycle through…it does on Firefox anyway. I think Jane jumped the gun on this one.
In my first comment at the site, I have to disagree with you, Jane.
The progressive movement isn’t dead, it’s just one helluva lot smaller than we thought and no longer represented by the Democratic Party.
I predict that within 20 years (nearer to 10) the Republicans will have gone the way of the Whigs and the Democrats will comfortably snuggle into the position the Republicans once held.
From the ashes, a new party will emerge on the left. Whether it becomes a historical footnote or a viable force in opposition to the reactionaries of the Democratic party is pretty much up to us, here and now.
Do we progressives desert the democrats and use an existing party structure, like the Greens, and make it grow, do we start a progressive party – or do we let the radicals of the right continue to oppress workers, women and minorities?
Sooner of later, we progressives will have to decide.
With the complete complicity the Democrats, the Republicans have institutionalized bribery – our congress is a wholly-owned corporate entity – and the Democrats have kicked progressives to the curb, holding us in greater contempt than they do their lying Republican cronies.
It’s time to leave them to their corruption.
Third party, yes. But we don’t have enough lefties in the countrty to command a majority. So sorry.
But we could get a majority with a centrist platform focusing on real people’s pocketbook and safety issues, abjuring the divisive pet issues of both the left and the right, and with a big focus on clean and accountable government and the rule of law.
C’mon people!
And they can open the remake on mainstage at the Oregon country fair !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Country_Fair
http://www.oregoncountryfair.org/quick_visitor_guide.php
Amy Goodman and Winona Laduke have both spoken there !
When are you coming Jane . nearly 50 000 fair goers want to know .
Next on the chopping block , net neutrality .
Due respect, but Centrism is what got us to this place, razorbrain. It’s the first step on the road to compromise. What’s called “centrist” here is what the rest of the world calls “conservative.”
There are certain things on which compromise cannot be an option. Just these three should sound very familiar: Health Care, Corporate Responsibility, and the Environment.
We don’t need lefties, rb, we need people who can differentiate between bullshit and common sense. With “Independents,” according to all polling, now being the largest voting bloc in the country, there are now more people than ever who are interested in hearing sensible ideas.
CNN reporting air pollution alerts and the dangers of oil contact for children and pets for the general population along the coast. “Nausea and vomiting” etc! Contact with the crude oil can “burn the skin!”
At least they aren’t saying “there is no danger” but I bet they will eventually deliver that lie for PR purposes, too.
Just called the state Sierra Club chapter and got the run around why they do not have any mention of the burning oil slick in the Gulf. Final comment was perhaps they should keep their heads buried in the sand.
Photographs to follow of Cooper grabbing up a bird to deslick.
New image up on Sierra Club site. Does this make a difference?
You asked, I answered. What exactly would you have liked the Green Party to do in this situation?
Welcome to fdl, uneasyone. You seem to have a very good grasp of the dilemmas at hand.
A centrist party to counter two right-wing parties? That doesn’t sound good.
I have a skewed view and don’t believe that the manner of controlling our country that serves the Mega-Corporations even has a location in the Political Identify.
Our views are centrist.
The teas are clueless.
And what I find ironic is they’re oblivious to the situation our country is currently in. That our Mega-Corporations interests are being placed into legislation and rule-making, and that situation is so incredibly similar to what existed between Mother England and the East Indian Trading Company that prompted the original tea party and our Declaration of Independence.
Maybe if they became ‘aware’, once again centrist would mean centrist.
I agree. In theory, the word “centrist” sounds ok, but as it’s currently practiced in the USA, centrism is just another word for conservative, at least conservative in the sense of how the Republican party used to be.
I’m not so fond of that term, as, like liberal, it has too many connotations that ain’t good.
Let’s look for something different, and yes, Independents of all types are hungry for something meaningful that they can get behind. What’s going on now is so clearly bs that it’s not funny. Obama has certainly turned out to be nearly as ineffectual as Bush. It’s disgusting.
11:35 AM – 2:10 PM.
Hey, it’s a start.
Better to run as the nominee of “The Progressive Party.” Though we pretty much agreed democratic party=corporate sell out party.
Good post. Welcome and join in. I agree with what you said, which is well stated.
Not to be selfish, but you wouldn’t get me within 50 miles of that place unless I was being paid about 1000 an hour hazard pay. Everything you clean up is toxic, and everything you use to clean up is toxic. Hundreds and hundreds of people that worked on the Valdez disaster died within 5-10 years of their participation.
I’m just not that into volunteering to get poisoned and develop cancer.
I just checked my political junk e-mail account, and there was a message from the Sierra Club about the oil spill that arrived this morning at 7:00 AM CDT. Here’s the lead paragraph:
So, it would appear that their patience with the government’s response ran out shortly before Jane’s ran out with them. I think it unlikely they came up with this e-mail this morning. It really was mailed at 7:00AM, according to the e-mail header. That suggests a timed release, not an impromptu reaction.
Other than being on an e-mail list, I have no connection with the Sierra Club. In fact, I was starting to wonder what was going on with them. I’ve received at least three routine e-mails since the spill, but not one mention of the spill until this morning.
Hopefully the Democratic Party will go the way of the Federalists, or at least just go away too. They are both as useful as tits on a bull.
This morning at 6 a.m. I had email from the Sierra Club urging me to write Obama to urge a moratorium on oil drilling. Here’s the link, for those who don’t get SC’s emails:
http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer? em_id=174741.0&dlv_id=149861
So I wouldn’t say they’ve been exactly mute. STill agreed on your main point though.
Had enough of centrist anything, thank you.
If we continue to dump sexual hormones into our water supply, it may well serve us to find a purpose for those bull teats.
It may be somewhat OT, but I want to remind people that tonight is the last show for one of the few, good progressives on television… Bill Moyers on “Bill Moyers Journal”. His truly informative journalism will be missed.
That appears to be the same e-mail I received (note my comment @124). I suggest you remove the part after the question mark. That’s a personalized sign in form, and it may contain information you want to keep personal.
Left you a note on an earlier thread SD here
35 years ago today
Agree with both this and your prior comment, except that when I say “centrist” I mean “centrist.” I desscribed the essence of what I mean at #106, and have in other prior comments. The issues you specified would be included.
With Jim Hightower.
I think the exception here will be the impact of this spill once hurricane season hits.
Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.
Saw that earlier. Could have saved everybody a lot of blood, treasure and time if we’d have let them have it in 1954.
No, it sounds great. Thinking we could go straight from two right-wing parties to a dominant left-wing party is a pipe dream, and we need to face up to thatt hard fact. People like us slept too long. We can’t get a deus ex machina victory from here.. Centrism is the best we can aim for short-term, and it would be a huge improvement over the status quo, wouldn’t it? Be real.
Not to counter them. To displace them.
got that right or if Harry could have found a way to have kept his word to Ho and kept the French from coming back after WWII
Not a title, an adjective. Centrist means moderate, majority consensus on most issues. Call it the Clean Sweep People’s Party, or some such.
Whatcha got instead, SD? Socialist dreams vanish when you wake up. First gain the center, then push for a better agenda from there.
TY, reader. I posted at Dkos for some time, until I essentially got kicked off (I am technically still a member, but can’t post unless I remove a well-deserved HR – which ain’t gonna happen) for supporting American workers (long story).
Glad to have finally found a progressive site.
We have a centrist party. It’s called the Democratic Party.
What we need is a liberal/progressive party.
Welcome
Funny – I got a chuckle – and unfortunately true.
Damn, I wish you weren’t right on this one… This country has turned so far to the right it is going around in circles. We don’t have a liberal party, we have a conservative party (insert Godwin reference here) and a moderate-conservative party with a few proud liberals they bring out for show now and again. Thanks again for speaking out. (back to lurking again)
But are they asking for money? Is it just a fundraising opp?? That’s the pattern with these groups and the pols, no?
Fuck ‘centrist’.
That’s just the publicly-usable term for the !@#$%^&*()s running the country.
Is it the progressive movement or irony that is dead? I would say it is irony. The veal pen is not the progressive movement, at least not the part I belong to. I think we really need to emphasize the difference between progressives and, what I call liberal Establishment Democrats. These are people like Krugman, Durbin, Pelosi, Moulitsas, and those who run the veal pen. Their allegiance is much more to the Establishment and the Democratic party than to any liberal principles they profess to have. They always come late, fight little or not at all, and leave early. These “liberal” groups don’t represent us, just as the Democrats don’t represent us. We should stop supporting them. Our country is sinking and compromising with these asshats will only hasten the process.
Unfortunately, when I hear “Centrist” my brain translates it into “Corporatist” which is how the corporate media always spins/brainwashes moderate and centrist. So don’t call what you are proposing “Centrist”.
Moyers is progressive as hell on some issues (like the first amendment) and a bit too centrist for me on others. On balance, however, he is definitely one of the good guys.
Hightower, OTOH is about as populist/progressive as they come, with a great sense of humor. Should be fun to watch.
Agreed, we haven’t had a progressive or “liberal leaning” leader in many, many decades.
And there lies the fundamental truth and problem. “Liberals” who believe in basic human rights and the common good, have let the media define and message who we are without a great deal of push back. When did basic concepts such as compassion for your fellow citizen become a negative? Why have we allowed “bleeding hearts liberal” to become something said in a derogatory manner by people such as Senator Durbin? Have we as a country lost our basic humanity…or are most people still basically “good” and just not speaking up?
I think you will like the waters here. It’s even ok to disagree with Jane!!
Just as every ride in Disney World ends at a gift shop, every petition you sign takes you to a fundraising page. So it was with that Sierra Club petition. Is this any more or less sincere than FDL’s practice of doing the same thing? Someone who is more familiar with SC than I may have a good answer to that question, but I don’t.
“There are very few people in this world who I actually hate, but that man is one of them” Harry Truman when asked what his thoughts were about Richard M Nixon (in the book “Give Em Hell Harry”)
And the American People put that rare individual whom Harry Truman hated into the office of Presidency
The electorate is fickle.
One common thread in all the anger is a refusal to take individual responsibility for what is going on. Everybody sucks but us liberals. When Jane started Whips, phone calls, and petitions, I predicted it wasn’t going to work. Corruption is in the saddle. It will not dismount of its own free will.
A third party won’t do it. They haven’t in the past and seem less possible today. We need a network of citizens created on a town by town basis. I think putting local public check books on line might generate enough interest to get people involved or at least talking about problems. We can talk third party after we organize a national demonstration of seventy or eighty million people. I might add the demonstration doesn’t have to be a walk down all those main streets carrying signs. It may or may not work, but it gives us something to do as we await Armageddon. Angry comments won’t do it. Neither will threats to stop contributing. Your contributions never amounted to all that much compared with say Goldman Sachs. We need to get everyone involved. That includes tea baggers and Sarah Palin lovers. We can roll up our sleeves and try to do something or we can, like in the movie Network, stick our heads out the window and shout I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore.
SIERRA CLUB CHAIRMAN SPEAKS!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-pope/drill-baby-drill—-or-wh_b_558473.html
The Sierra Club has always been pretty useless. It’s a club for city people that don’t like the idea of people actually living in or using the Sierra Nevada. At one time not too long ago, their Claire Tappan Lodge was the biggest polluter of Donner Summit where they had a raw sewage pump in failure mode for years. They tried to start a chapter in Truckee, where I live, and gave up because no Sierra residents wanted to join. Also, this may have changed, but their stock portfolio once contained millions in oil company and other anti-environmental stocks. Screw the Sierra Club.
I’ve put up a post at the Seminal, titled Artists as Environmentalists – The Spreading Gulf Tragedy Begs A Nationwide Call to Action. I’m asking independent artists to help chronicle as many aspects of this as possible.
Yeah, it’s a very muted response. I still don’t think they’re doing anything that will lose them a spot at the next White House cocktail party.
Ok so now what? If we really want to break this shit up it is the progressive grassroots that are going to have to do it. The next time Durbin runs for office we got to let his constituents know he plans on cutting their ssi and medicare. The only way things are going to change is when we accept that this current crop of dems and progressives have been bought and paid for. They only exist to mollify the grassroots so we can continue voting them in. The question is are we that afraid of the republicans that we will continue to allow the dems to sell us out without consequences? Or do we say enough is enough and watch the dems lose their asses the next two elections. I am already struggling, in fact I did better financially when Bush was in office, so sitting out of the next two elections does not phase me at all. Call me what you want but I am staying home in 2010 and 2012.
Pretty broad brush.
I’d rather attempt something and fail than not. I’ll leave the predicting to the Karnaks of the world.
Jane, my liege, you are 100% correct. The old liberal war horses that carried the fight are old and are wearing out. It’s time for a transfusion. The group in America today with the size and energy to receive the torch is the immigration reform movement. They are energized. They can mobilize in multiple cities, concurrently. It was the black civil rights movement in the 1950′s and 1960′s which became an incubator for the anti-war movement, the feminist movement, the environmental movement, the Chicano movement, etc. the black civil rights movement’s energy became infectious. We need that again.
Centrists in the U.S. would be right wing in Europe.
I’m amazed this surprises anyone. Amazed and a tad disappointed in you.
I sit around getting smacked by the mods because I say revolution is the only viable course left. People tell me we have to work within the system.
How’s that working out so far?
Revolution is the only vehicle left to us anymore. It is the only way anything will change for the better.
We ready to get behind that yet or do we want to keep chasing our tails pretending we can actually influence congress.
Tweeted and Facebooked… this post, scarecrow’s and Watt4Bob’s.
I mention a prediction that came true. Remember the Public Option? What or who is a Karnak? As for revolution, it may come to that. There are lesser things to try first, but we must be of a mind to try them.
I think you have valid and productive ideas. We need to work together as citizens…but, it is also crucial that we have alternative (third party)candidates ready to run. Sometimes people need not only to have something to demonstrate “against” but also something to demonstrate “for”. If we demonstrate (even at the local level) and still only have the option of neo-liberal Democrats or neo-conservative Republicans, the status quo remains and apathy sets in. We need to repeatedly ask the MSM why the Tea Party with corporate support receives so much air time while demonstrations by thousands of “liberals” receives none.
oops … that was for uneasyone @ 141 … :-)
Perhaps the centrist / left/ right discussion is best illustrated by the fact when our most liberal supreme court justice , a republican appointee ,took his seat on the court, he was not viewed as to the left of center .
The court and the country has moved much further to the right over the last 35 years .
Amen. You’ll pardon the expression.
DING DING DING! We have a winner!!!!
We should forget about the MSM. It is what it is. We are not going to change it. Primarying incumbents won’t do it. Both political parties are way past rescue. We need numbers, vast numbers. The problem is individual responsibility. Most people abhor it. They would rather curse the mess in Washington or wherever, than see it as their responsibility to do something. The network comes first. With sufficient computing power-maybe someone can get Sergy Brin of Google to get behind it, something can happen quickly in time for 2012. We need to get moving pretty soon.
I agree. Now what?
Right on Jane Hamsher! Look at what is happening to the Euro. Now the banksters want the world to bail out their worthless derivatives! The world monetary system is crashing down and people need to wake up. OBAMA IS A FASCIST! He was put in office by Goldman Sachs and their Rothschild masters. Jane Hamsher is a hero!! Go Jane Go!!
Brian
Economics Teacher
Thanks, ET. And klynn is right ~ hurricane season is going to make this all even worse.
Yes and yes. They are not mutually exclusive. It’s just that together they comprise a lethal combination.
That’s why I don’t feel as hopeful as Jane and others here. But I’ll keep the doom and gloom to myself and try to pitch in however I can.
I wonder if this oil spill makes Obama feel a teeny, weeny bit guilty about pushing so hard for offshore drilling. Silly me, of course it doesn’t.
I looked into the NJ GP some months ago. Three got back to me. The then head of the NJ Greens didn’t know the state of things around the counties and was surprised at the almost complete lack of response. The Greens are not a viable alternative, IMO. GP affiliation is a talking point, not an operational effort.
The whole idea of needing a party is just a waste of time and a way of vitiating energy. We need an agenda and political effort. We can make changes at the local levels. And those changes will work our way up. There is no top down quick fix.
I’m not convinced all our options within the system have been reasonably exhausted.
Maybe you can help me out a little? Crowd Sourcing Legal Research: What are Your State’s Citizen’s Arrest Laws? So far a whopping zero contributors, I’ve got almost everything West of Texas (except Alaska), a little help with the Eastern Seaboard moving inland would be handy.
Live Presser: Secretary Napalitano:
WTF, it was on some of the beaches last night at midnight
Secreatry Napalitano:
Well shoot folks, I don’t see a problem then. Let’s turn off the cameras and go home.
Jane is absolutely right, though this was such a long time coming to many who consider themselves “progressive”. I am sure many will reject the notion.
I would add a few points to clarify. I believe that, instead of considering progressives as totally liberal, or in the Democratic party only, there are many “progressives” on the Republican side. This would be true if you look at it this way:
Progressivism, as a bunch of ideas, such as freedom of speech, education, healthcare, and all the other civil rights and causes that liberal progressives championed starting at the turn of the century, can still exist in someone’s world view. And many conservatives joined in here, such as in the environmental movement.
But progressivism, as the belief that the government should not only enforce laws to support these ideas, but must create an agency, or many, to deal with managing those rights and also funding those rights from taxpayer dollars, is not in favor right now for obvious reasons. There are politicians on both sides that believe in this aspect of “progressivism”. These agencies then became corrupted with lobbyist influence, making corporate and military support their priority… Literally running Washington. They are expensive, bloated, self-perpetuating agencies with little accountability and a lot of waste. Why sell drugs when you can racketeer a government agency? And Obama just created tons more. I believe this interpretation of progressivism, as actual tactics, is a re-incarnation of Futurism, which became vulnerable to fascism, in Europe and the US early century. Worth looking into. Private interests, running wild with tax dollars was, and is, way too vulnerable to complete corruption. And then you get the military to back you up. We’ve been down that road before. Its almost impossible to prevent when it gets this big.
In addition, many private and non-profit agencies were created, at the turn of the century, to support the ideas of progressivism and also created circles of supporters and private and public funding. Partly due to their success, as you could also say about labor unions, in the past, they seem to have been almost completely taken over by compromising interests, who, in exchange for offering financial support, use and manipulate the good will and reputation of the agency. It also seems to entail the willingness of many founders to become rock stars instead of, and in exchange for seeing the values of the non-profit through. Join the celebrity crowd.
Anyone who has championed an environmental law in Florida, for example, can attest to the almost total lack of support of the Sierra Club, on the important issues, having been left to do citizen initiatives and fundraising, sometimes with the Club even coming out on the wrong side. (And just look at the performance of David Corn, the new enviro-politico-moviestar turned insider. Mother Jones turning in her grave.)
But back to the point, one can understand that declaring progressivism is dead is pretty spot on. Obama used a movement’s name, and all the hard work that the anti-war movement did, in convincing the American people to trust their information on many things regarding the Bush administration… so much so that they voted for a black man. Who, turns out, was working for the enemy all along. Sad.
Now we are simply left with the overwhelming desire to just shrink government, federal and world, and stop it from passing any more laws, before it kills us. By the way, giving to large environmental groups is useless.
Obama has already turned on the people who really believe in the progressive ideals. It’s only those who believe in the current progressive tactics of huge world government and taxes and bailouts, that he considers “progressives”. He seems quite ruthless about it, to me. Its very serious where these kind of “progressives” intend on taking us.
Not a Progressive nor would I consider myself a Liberal but more of a liberal. What I am more worried about is our Bill of Rights and how we are losing our country to certain interests that don’t have the interest of the public at heart. If people do not come together and fight to save our country against those who want to rob us and take away our rights, then having rational debate over health care, immigration and environmental issues will be nothing but a pipe dream for us and our children. Take a moment to ask why? Why didn’t anything change while Bush was President and he had Republican control of Congress? Why didn’t anything change while Obama had Democratic control of Congress? Why do things never change for us, the people, while the playing field continues to be tilted in favor of the financial and global elite? Until we root out and expose the corruption and undue influence, we are all pissing in the wind.
What a brilliant suggestion! Thank you.
P.S. I hope you are posting your suggestion at numerous websites (even if it is only in the form of comments).
“…Obama elicits the same response from me as Bush. …”
I started changing the channel whenever I hear his voice on the TV months ago. This is actually a sad development.
She is a fucking idiot.
As good a place as any considering the shabby state of MSM. Point is that Sierra Club has been covering this event from the beginning. Local Sierra Clubs are speaking out locally about the spill. If Jane wanted to find Sierra Club’s response to the disaster, she could have ‘googled’ it and found at least 4 pages of recent news concerning Sierra Club. To accuse the Sierra Club of letting down ‘progressives’ is just pure crap.
yeah – it’s a spill allright.
First friggin thing she needs to do is change the lables and descriptors their using.
They’ve got a gushing out of control frickin well spewing, pouring and issuing forth directly into the Gulf just under a quarter of a million gallons a day spill.
she says spill like when my children used to spill their glass of milk
Sorry, I have not read the whole thread (will come back to do that later) I am deeply saddened by the environmental disaster caused by the oil spill, but I am amazed by how quickly drill, baby, drill was followed by spill, baby, spill. This was actually entirely predictable. In their eagerness for profits Americans seem willing to overlook the fact that we are not in a position to leave this planet, and therefore the destruction of the earth will result in the destruction of mankind.
As for the social security issue, it is going to be mighty ugly in America when millions and millions of older people, who depend entirely in social security and Medicare clutter up the streets of our cities, begging for food. I believe this might not be good for tourism. One could suggest that their children should take care of them, however they are likely to be unemployed and unable to take on that additional financial burden. Is that how we avoid burdening our children and grandchildren with excessive debt? As far as I can see we are heading for disaster and there seems to be no stopping it. Recently this quote keeps popping into my mind – the majority of people lead lives of quiet desperation.
Aint Gonna Let Nobody
Agreed. But the liberal Establishment Democrats have infrastructure and play nice with corporations. What do we have? I think Jane’s point is that the leaders of all the organizations that came into being to advance progressive ideas and values have been let into the club.
The failure of health care reform should be proof enough that it’s not enough to have a majority of the American people supporting good ideas.
Without progressive groups that will act independently and declare that this administration’s bullshit is often just as bad as the last administration’s bullshit, Obama and the leadership of the Democratic Party will continue to bend us over and get away with it.
As Jane says:
With all due respect for Blue Texan and Jason Rosenbaum (people who think it’s enough to defeat Republicans on election day), getting Obama and Democrats elected is not enough. They have to be held accountable every day after they take office.
These two sentences make no sense together. What good will such declarations of “bullshit” do? Other than continue to grow majorities of Americans supporting, ostensibly, good ideas? A condition you just asserted lacks necessary effect.
I’m in the midst of grading finals, and prepping the house for a fundraiser tomorrow for Alaska’s true progressive (and about whom the State Democratic Party apparatus feels uncomfortable), Diane Benson.
Feel free to cut and paste at will, though. I might put it up at DKos.
What does “centrist” mean? I don’t want labels; I want policies and principles.
ooops, this should have been addressed to the razorbrain.
Stop The Tire Tracks
You don’t think that people need to work with leaders of independent, well-funded and reputable organizations in order to get their voices heard?
Polls have been showing for a long while now that big majorities want real change, but the groups that would have made the Democrats deliver have been stuffed into the veal pen.
That is the point. The members of Sierra Club are way ahead of their so called leadership. The Obama/Palin Drill Baby Drill program “disappointed” the Veal Pen Sierra Club. Their support of “Cap and Trade” also proves they are well done Veal.
I don’t think it makes any difference, because it’s not a lack of voices, or what they’re saying. (eg. TARP)
Are these “polls” only available to everybody except policy makers? How are these groups going to “make” the Democrats deliver? How would they have?
You’re literally saying, whether you realize it or not, “The voices of the voters don’t matter to policy makers. We need more voices!” Getting more of a worthless commodity doesn’t make it valuable.
Nope, you’re right, he doesn’t.
But it sure as hell makes him look stupid, doesn’t it?
I live near the Gulf coast, and voted for the jerk, but that part brings a smile to my face and proves that behind every dark cloud, there’s a silver lining.
Inquisitr — I tend to agree with you, but I think we need to define “revolution”. Are we talking actual full-scale, topple-the-government revolt? Insurrection that results in the government caving in and enacting certain fundamental reforms? Mass civil disobedience that also achieves reform?
You will not that historically in many countries, the reality has been all three of the above, in reverse order: mass civil disobedience leads to oppressive government reaction which leads to pockets of insurrection which leads to even more massive disobedience which leads to more repressive government reaction which leads to open revolt and eventually government collapse.
Had NOT seen that yet, thanks for the link.
That’s some pretty damning shit, indeed.
We The People are in a world of hurt, like never before.
But then, I’m chirping to the avarian choir . . . . le sigh.
Thanks for making a newbie feel welcome – and nothing makes me feel more welcome than havng my ideas taken seriously.
And before I get too deep into reading comments, thanks yet once again Mz. Hamsher for a great overview of the sitch we’re in. Well done, sad, but well done.
What to do about the loss of neo liberals and their orgs, what to do to force them back left from the right they’ve taken.
What to do. But for now, keep bringing them to light, keep labeling them for what they are, and hope that the masses begin to realize who’s fighting for who . . . and who’s fighting for the masses and not the corps and lucrative personal lifestyles.
I suppose I’m just not saying what I want to say clearly enough or well enough.
Do you think it’s enough for a politician to win on election day (i.e. for a majority to say they want Obama), or do you think it’s just as important also to have leaders of independent, well-funded and reputable organizations to make someone like Obama deliver on change after he’s taken office?
Are you arguing that activism is irrelevant because politicians apparently don’t care about polls? Are you saying that progressive groups are irrelevant, that it doesn’t matter whether they’re independent and speaking out or they’re kept quiet in a veal pen of establishment liberals’ making?
We need a mass movement, this is true. I don’t think violent revolution works. Maybe mass strikes, demonstrations on a scale that gov’t can’t ignore. Maybe that won’t even work. Who knows? Point is, it is folly to try to reform the Dem Party or to work within a rigged “system.” A more anarchic model is needed, without the rigid hierarchies that are destroying us, and the planet. I advocate dropping out of the Man’s system as they tried in the Sixties. We need to create our own reality, apart from these destructive hierarchies.
Seriously Jane, and with respect, are you still a Democrat? Why or why not? Please write a piece for us that answers these questions. Thanks.
Although we progressives are few in number, we are enough for a start. The labor movement, woman’s suffrage, civil rights and every other progressive cause started out isolated, reviled and marginalized. Numbers can be made to increase through education, organizing and activism. We are at a low point now, as we have been before.
Most of the workforce is (for now) beyond the reach of unions, which are almost a spent force. The country has moved so far right that many consider Nixon liberal these days. Things pretty much suck. But I could name many other times in our history when the exact same thing could be said – right before the progressive resurgence.
Congrats on your first FDL comment.
I’ll disagree with you disagreeing with the thread author, I think the concept of the prog movement being dead is spot on, given the large big tent dem picture we progs/libs were raised on.
And I think officially claiming that’s all dead and gone is a healthy proclamation to issue, whether we all knew it or not. That sort of acceptance of the reality at hand is essential to fight off the paralysis we likely feel at having been assaulted on so many fronts for so long now. Decades long.
So, now we are free from the chains of the past and begin to consider our present and future.
Sure we’re a smaller tribe than we used to be, but the prog picture we all had IS dead. It’s a quibble, only. *G*
I like the rest of your thoughts in your comment. I too believe the system as is cannot be sustained, and its collapse is inevitable. I don’t think the system CAN last (nor the GOP) even 10 years, but I’m no forecaster, just gut instincts talking here.
There will be a tipping point, where the masses (regardless of political deviations, religious deviations, economic differences large and small) just simply realize the screwing is just too much to take anymore.
When, and what that tipping point will be I don’t know, but I feel it coming. And what will occur when the masses DO decide enough is enough, I don’t know.
But I’d like to think it will include mass civil disobedience, labor/work stoppages, boycotts, and more. All non-violent, of course.
And I’d like to think, it will all have some positive impact on we the people, for we the people.
Yeah, I’m a dreamer.
But I don’t WANT to wait 10 or more years of my life (I might have 20-30 left on this rock) for change. Hence my consideration the ‘change’ we’re talking about, the system collapse, might come sooner, than later.
Look forward to hearing more from you. Welcome, indeed.
Indeed, and also, WHEN it might come about.
I’m in kind of a hurry wanting it to be sooner, than later . . .
As we all are, no doubt. ;-)
Gotta come back to this again, really liked your comment.
Thanks.
So true, either murdered or co-opted one way or another for what seems forever, anymore.
GREAT point regarding our leaderless lack for so long.
True, but the Shock Doctrine the massed experience with loss of jobs, income, etc. also make them more open to resistance and a ‘new awareness’ of who’s screwing them, which makes them ripe for recruiting to a change platform or paradigm.
Huh, they’re bleating at night keeps me awake.
;-)
“Teh Bleating, Will No One Stop The Bleating!”
Thing is how long will regular people like us accept shitty low paying jobs (for those who have jobs) and 10% unemployment? It is surreal that the stock market is going up and unemployment remains so high. Obummer is sticking it to us big time, man. He’s willfully negligent. And remember we’ve had 10% unemployment for 2 years with no sign of it going down.
Yeah, Prince William Sound is one HELL of a graphic example, ain’t it.
Great overview, thanks, as always.
Yeah, The Sierra Club is NOT the org of my youth. A mere shadowed, co-opted by the forces it used to fight.
I think this doesn’t make any sense, because organizations can’t make someone like Obama deliver on change after he’s in office. He isn’t accountable to any of those organizations. If Obama is content to do things that don’t jive with the will of the people, pressing on him with the same will he doesn’t give a shit about isn’t going to do anything.
So what you’re suggesting makes complete sense, if you think politicians are accountable to anything other than elections, and also think that they fundamentally care about those elections, and that violating the voters actually imperils the elections they fundamentally care about. Any one of those tests fail, and the argument falls apart.
It’s not like we can recall him, and we can’t pass a federal proposition or initiative to corral the government in a new direction.
You’re not going to get any argument out of me that elections are exceptionally shitty means for accountability, because they’re too infrequent, too expensive, too undemocratic (proxy representation is explicitly undemocratic), and thus too easily gamed.
I’m arguing that these “organizations” are just aggregators for the voices of the people, voices that we already know aren’t mysterious (per your alluding to polls), and if you’re asserting that the voices of the people don’t matter, which you are, “it’s not enough to have a majority of the American people supporting good ideas,”, then it follows that the “organizations” are as functionally as powerless as the people themselves. Otherwise the knowledge of aggregate disapproval, known via polling, would be enough to alter things.
What I’m arguing is that policy makers do what they want. Full stop. The trends of incumbency and the rewards even for electoral failure ensure that there are no reasons to do anything else. They act for their own self-interest, and the interests of their peers and colleagues. They don’t give a shit about us? And why should they? Their entire path to success is built supremely upon the back of being able to out narcissist the next-nearest ambitious narcissist.
The entire apparatus of the rest of it is just erected fiction of influence that keeps us pacified and preoccupied to vent our dissatisfaction.
Thanks – and maybe you’re right – or this is actually one of the times when we can disagree and both be right.
I think that what has actually died is the illusion that any sort of progressive victory is even achievable under our present leadership or the auspices of the Democratic Party.
We are the living proof that progressivism is alive and still (feebly) kicking.
I hate to be so absolutely cliché about it, but it’s always darkest before the dawn; consider 1932.
Welcome. If you live near the Gulf Coast, please give us a “peoples perspective” update periodically about the effects from this oil “spill”.
17%, but whose counting? You can’t really use U3 to tell you much of anything useful.
The irrelevance of U3 as an indicator is no more evident than when one has to list the things it excludes:
• “discouraged workers”, or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
• other “marginally attached workers”, or “loosely attached workers”, or those who “would like” and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
• Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons
If I had my druthers, there’d be a moratorium on referring to U3 as “unemployment.”
keep an eye out at The Seminal
It is a blow to the country that there is no large, organized movement on the left, worthy of the name.
The people who would populate such a movement have been wasting their time and money on the Democratic Party. What you see now is the result of Lessorevilism. Please, if you have not already done so, abandon the Democratic Party. If you do nothing else at least you will cease to be part of the problem.
Lesserevilism. Nice. :-)
“Lesserevilism” – couldn’t have said it better. Decades of choosing between the “lesser of two evils” has certainly taken its toll on this country.
The progressive movement is not dead but rather disillusioned. I am traditional liberal, now called conservative independent. Big power elites of government, business, labor, education, and institutionalized cultural lobbyists of all stripes are corruptible and corrupted by lure of money and power. The biggest player of is government with its power to make law and print money to favor this or that client special interest.
We all must be checked and balanced or we will perish in corruption.
Jayker
Hey, uneasyone, welcome to the Lake. Impressed with your first post.
And, hey, don’t worry. At some point you’ll write something that pisses off some people or that some people will disagree with. But all the criticism and disagreement and debate will be based on facts and examples and counter-ideas, not bullshit ad hominen blanket condemnation for committing heresy like you experienced over at the Satan.
I am a 60-year-old, disabled(really bad back and emphysema), stay-at-home dad of a 4 month old boy, so (as you can probably imagine) I don’t get out much. Not only that, but I live near downtown Houston and am surrounded by so many damned wires, that I get no TV reception. Plus I’m too damned cheap to pay 45 bucks a month for basic cable, so I don’t get the local newsblather. So I have grave doubts as to how useful my “peoples perspective” would be.
One bit of perspective I can offer seems so trivial next to the magnitude of this ecological disaster, that I am almost embarrassed to bring it up. Or maybe – in light of the hundreds of billions in tourist dollars the entire gulf coast depends upon – not so trivial after all.
It’s tar balls. No matter what they do; no matter how thoroughly they claim later to have cleaned this crap up, no matter how small the area they claim to confine it to, there will be tar balls on every beach from southern Florida to southern Mexico.
They vary in size from barely visible to inches in diameter – and this is after the major spill has supposedly been cleaned up. They like to hide just under the top layer of sand or get covered in sand so that you don’t see them – until they are on your shoes (and thus the carpet of your car), the bottom of your ice chest, your bottom, your new beach towel, and your person (they like to float just under the surface.) The crap can be removed, but only with great difficulty and a really strong solvent like gasoline. If you don’t notice it before you do laundry, you’ll ruin a whole load of laundry. My next door neighbors just tossed out a couple of new, really nice beach towels with tar on ‘em. Normally, (in that I am a cheapskate/scrounger who hates to see something good go to waste) I would have grabbed them for myself, no matter how dirty they were and cleaned them myself. Not with that crap on them. Not worth it.
No, no, it’s just restin’.
I kind of like the idea of a third party called Citizens party or Commonwealth party. Rather than staking out a spot on the right-center-left spectrum, highlight that it is of, by and for “citizens” as contrasted with “consumers”; focused on the commonwealth of citizens rather than corporate profits.
I suspect those who are skeptical of a third party succeeding are correct. But historically, new parties come along and replaced parties that have become marginalized — such as the Republicans elbowing the empty shell of the Whigs and turning them into dust.
The scenario of the Republicans marginalized and replaced on the “right” by a thoroughly corporatist Democratic party may be somewhat more realistic. The “left” would be open for a citizen-oriented, commonwealth-driven party. Defined in this way, it could appeal not only to progressives, but provide a genuine and positive alternative to the muddled incoherence of teabagging.
Appealing to the disenfranchised of both the “right” and the “left” could be seen as “centrist” I suppose. I like to think it would be based on principles that are relevant across the political spectrum, rather than defined by a set of particular stands on specific issues.
Thanks. Chomsky has said his biggest problem at times is the liberal elite who allow/keep the system they supposedly oppose.
I understand your point — but there were a lot of places in which there there was considerable darkness yet to come after 1932. I hope the analogy with “1932-USA” is apt; I dread “1932-Central Europe” but I don’t think we will go that far over the brink. I fear we may be on the brink of having most in common with “1932-Italy.”
Not a lot left of the old guard like Noam, anymore . . . and with Moyers going off air . . . . *sad*
Thanks, Jess.
You say “At some point you’ll write something that pisses off some people or that some people will disagree with.” Sure hope so, lol.
If you get 10 real liberals in a room without some lively arguments, 9 of ‘em are clones. And I am the kind of guy that doesn’t mind being the lone voice on one side or other of a topic – like the time I defended torture (greatly limited and ONLY for the top terrorists) in a comment thread at DKos. WOW! What a pile on!
Then a lot of contrary facts bit me in the ass, and about a year later I wrote a Diary admitting my error and explaining why I had been wrong. I encountered almost as much hostility admitting my error (for having taken the wrong position in the first place) as I did in the first place.
So, while I don’t seek controversy (much), I don’t shy away from it, don’t worry about being called names, and am willing to admit error when the evidence (IMO) is against me. But if everybody around thinks I’m wrong, I’ll continue to defend my opinion as long as I think I am right. I’ve been known to learn something.
I wish I could argue with you about that, but that danger is very real; not to be ignored.
It’s up to us and our children to prevent it if we can. One thing is sure, if we pretend that “It can’t happen here,” it will.
i don’t see any hope for America until the fall comes. until enough people stop watching TV for their “life”. with PR from the Moneyed Elite, i wont hold my breath. God i wish i could move away.
third party my eye. it will be bought and paid for like the Tea baggers. This country’s fixation with Greed is Good/God, thanks to the Christian endorsements. killing for God and all that.
the oil spill is just the latest sign of the spiraling out of control. no one has been held accountable since Nixon was pardoned by Ford. Nixon the curse on America, that keeps on giving. we can thank Spiro for “those nattering nabobs of negativity’ who are not going to bite the hands that feed them. Pete Peterson will get his wish unless the Grey/Gray Panthers come out loudly. no one else has the ability to “threaten” the system.
Obama is just one more of the “Players” in the Casino. Going after whistleblowers is worthy of the lowest of the low. Good company with the rest of the Villagers. surprise? not at all. voting for spying was all i needed to know he was a Republican at heart, no matter what he looks like or says.
like someone said earlier. the “lesser of evils” didn’t make much difference. just delayed the inevitable.
God this country sucks.
Don’t cry for me Argentina, we are getting there as fast as we can. all those trite phrases, lol.
Boy what hath God wrought was truly one of the best quotes i’ve heard of. Assuming that is, there is a God who would endorse such slimy creature as those odious 534 “taxation with Representation” who prefer to enrich themselves while Rome burns.
Need to look backwards another ten years from there.
No one was held accountable for JFK’s assassination and the POS that fabricated and wrote part of the fictional portions of the Warren Report is still a sitting US FUcking Senator from PA.
Jane,
Great article.
Commenters,
Did you read the same article I did? All I’ve seen in these comments are discussions about Jane’s great frame, but little about what she put in the frame: OBAMA’S PLANNING ON CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY AND PROGRESSIVES AREN’T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!
Are we afraid to discuss this? Is it that we don’t have any ideas about what to do? Or are we just feeling hopeless and powerless?
I admit *I* do feel hopeless and powerless and I feel like I don’t have idea what to do. My local Democratic Party is quite progressive, writes great progressive platforms, but ends up with corporatist nominees and then mobilizes like crazy in GOTV work to elect representatives who won’t represent us. I’ve basically opted out of local party politics for this very reason. The progressive organizations all seem to enjoy being fattened up in the veal pen. I’ve basically withdrawn from one after another over the last few months.
So. What CAN I do to stop Social Security from being gutted? Jane! Help me!
I think your prediction is 98% likely. Which shows the fraud inherent in any claim that sea birds, turtles or sea mammals can be “cleaned up” after they are fouled with tar balls. Already the corporatist network news is running the “scrub the bird clean” video (CBS News tonight). It’s a fraud. They’re all gonna die.
beleck
You’ve got to stop looking on the bright side and start facing reality
squarely. Enough of this mindless optimism!
They’re not centrist, they’re corporate. Very different.
So, everyone’s willing to throw away their votes on third-party candidates and risk the Republicans taking over Congress because of this?
Why?
Because you’re not getting everything you want?
Sheesh.
You’re right, but I’m using “centrist” according to its proper dictionary meaning.
Centrist means down the middle, and that’s what I mean. That’s where the numbers AND the democracy are.
We can’t get a majority to agree with real progressive views. Let’s aim for the middle, and pray that we can achieve at least that much for now.
Yes.
Will there be anything else?
Labels, labels. Query: Could what I describe get a majority right now in this country?
Here’s a few off my list:
Occupation of Afghanistan
Indiscriminate killing of innocents and civilians by Drone Aircraft
ExtraJudicial Punishment
Indefinite Detention
Possible Continued Torture
Health Insurance Mandate Purchase instead of Health Care Reform
Insignificant increase to the CAFE Standard
Jobs Bill?
Resisting Auditing of the Red
Obscene Military Spending
and oh yeah, Resumption of Offshore Drilling
(and a second oh yeah, even after ‘withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, we’ll still have between 20,000 and 50,000 Special Forces and contractors in ‘Support Roles’ in country. Hell of a withdrawal) wheres oldfatguy when you really need him
That’s why a true centrist agenda would be a big improvement right now over the status quo.
So, you expected the world from him, and got frustrated because you didn’t get everything on your wish list?
And a protest vote for a Green Party candidate that’s probably not going to be elected and risking a Republican takeover in Congress and the White House is supposed to make things better? Okay…
And “Insignificant increase to the CAFE Standard”? You threw that in to offend me. I resent that, it’s going to kill anything with an engine that can go over a hill, much less anything fun-to-drive.
The trope goes this way:
“You got your Lilly Ledbetter and your Cash for Clunkers and your god-damned stem cells. Now go away.”
I laid out the essential policies. Middle course, gets the majority of people.
Let’s all stop mindfucking ourselves with labels, and consider how a real middle-of-the road party might fare right now.
I have been disenchanted with both major parties for at least 20-some years now. Nor do I buy into the idea of a “Centrist” party, whatever it might be called. When a “movement” gets aligned with a “party”, any party as they have come to be, it is effectively the end of the movement, because of what “parties” are in this country. That is, the parties are inevitably aligned with those who have the power and money to get that party’s chosen people elected, then they have to make good on their promises, expressed and implied. It’s all so predictable.
A movement must resist the temptation to hold hands with others who are aligned with a “party”, for the company one will be expected to keep is not in the least interested in ideals. They are interested in perpetuating their power by advancing an agenda(s) for some subset(s) of the country and its demographics — the subsets that have the wherewithal to call the shots.. What happened to the religious fundamentalists and “Christians” when they aligned with Bush and Company? A friend who is very anti-religion kept putting out alarming claims about how the fundies were going to co-opt government. I disagreed and predicted they would be romanced and then relegated to the ante-room while the movers and shakers acted out their own wish list. I had the same gut feel about the progressives who jumped on the Democratic Party bandwagon, thinking their policy preferences would be acted out.
Making matters worse, the “parties” engage in redistricting to ensure reelection, resist term limits, limit the number of candidates we have to choose among, etc.
A movement must remain a movement, not become a branch of one political party. And, in my estimation, the “movement” that right now could change the arc of American history is (for want of a better term) is an “Independent Anti-Party Movement”. Where that movement stands on issues and policies is irrelevant in our shopworn terms of “liberal”, “conservative”, “progressive”, “traditional”, “left/right/center”. The movement’s goal must be to attract and support candidates who want NO PART of current party machinations. They would take their ideas directly to the people and shun any attempt to have them incorporated in Democrat, Republican, Green, Libertarian, etc., platforms. They would be, instead, committed to acting on and for the overall best interests of our society, and take their input from, and test their ideas on, the citizens who are serious minded and informed. But above all, they must divorce themselves from monied special interests, they must get elections funded publicly and/or by small donors, they must be transparent and open, and use the power of technology to sense and act on the will of “the people”.
Saying it another way — When a “movement member” decides to sit down at the table of one of the parties and antes up psychologically, emotionally, and financially — he or she has just entered a sucker’s game. Walk out the door instead and get your own game going; associate with people who, though they WILL NOT share all of your ideological bias, bents, and preferences, are determined to establish a new system altogether in which people and leaders of good intellect sincerity, and good will are committed to returning ‘the system” to the control of real people. That should be the only litmus test that matters.
When something like 40% of the society is willing to take a pledge that they will, under no circumstances and as a result of no “promises” vote for any candidate who chooses to align with any “party”, then we have what is needed to change the course we are on. Until then, it’s a fool’s errand because the party game is fixed. And it doesn’t favor “the people”.
No need to remind me how utopian the concept is; how impractical, how impossible to get off the ground. I know that. But what I also THINK I know is that any other course is destined to run the country further into the ground than it already is.
Lesserevilism. You may own the word. Congrats, it’s a good one.
THanks Newt I’ll be waiting for em next time
Yes, sure did, I remember your sense of humor !
So, you’re okay with telling people what they can and cannot drive? Have fun telling that to the people at bangshift.com or Jalopnik.
Rather than argue with you people, I’ll watch from a distance as you all lose your sanity over not getting everything you hoped for. And because of some environmental groups being a little slow on the oil spill.
Truer words have never been spoken.
We will.
Anything else?
My frickin ears – ooohh
That was sacrilegious.
No one, and I mean no one is allowed to do that tune except Mick, Keith and the boys.
You owe me one now :)
btw when much younger i did the 185mph and in a different rod 10.2 et.
been there
I think Commonwealth Party is fucking brilliant.
You frame it as “Committed to the Common Wealth”.
I say again, A-1 Fucking Brilliant.
Damn straight.
I thought I posted something else here. Okay…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/flip-flopping-on-obama-de_b_521405.html
CharlieFoxtrot @ 229:
While I was laboring over my way-too-long essay above, I missed yours. You very well and much more efficiently captured much of the key thrust of mine.
Not a historian, I am not even sure how we got to the current state of two parties, each ineffectual and short-sighted and insincere in their own ways. But I do think the current state will be our collective undoing; that is if we don’t mess ourselves up with war and environmental destruction in the meantime.
In my opinion Progressive movement is alive but looking for the banner under which to fight for.
Republicans know how to take care of their base. I remember for Stem Cell research then Senate Majority Leader, Former First Lady and lots of Corporate executives (Talk about corporate pressure and lure of big dollar contributions) implored and beseeched the executive branch. They ignored it and stuck to their base by banning it. They were rewarded by their base with victory in polls in spite of starting an unjustified iraq war.
Right now Democratic party to me looks like is trying to take care of other parties funding base i.e. Corporates, insult their base and hope their base will blindly vote them back in office thinking there are no choices for them.
By Health Care bill without public option they already demoralized their base. If they touch Social Security in any way (by all indications the panel composition looks like Social Secuirty is being setup to fail with none of the panelists will offer simple solution of no income limits ) Democratic party will be done for good. Some new party like Green Party will take its place and bring back the progressive agenda. As a post here already commented it is always the darkest before dawn.
I’m a little late to the party here, but must comment on Jane’s excellent post. The Progressive Party has been on life support for 30 years. Obama drove a stake through it’s heart.
When democrats bought into Reaganomics and failed to challenge a single concept of it, it was the beginning of the end. Reaganomics gave us a massive wealth redistribution from the bottom and middle incomes to the top. “They” now own everything and control everything. Simply put, “we’re fucked”. Until the Reagan tax cuts are rolled back and a more egalitarian system in place, we’ll continue to be fucked. I have no answers on how to do this.
There is a “Progressive Party”? That’s news to me. Who’s in charge of it, and where do I send my support for it?
In my youth, I mistook the Democrats for Progressives. But when I went to turn in some money for their cause a funny thing happened. I had to wait in line behind some very important looking fellows from Wall Street, a bosses from the teachers’ and other public sector employees’ unions, some multimillionaire trial lawyers, a variety of Executive Vice Presidents from several industries, and more. As we talked while in line, I realized that many of the things they were interested in were quite a bit different than what my neighbors and I talk about in the town square. They took my small donation, gave me a little pin and a bumper sticker, but that was about it.
Now, if you could point me in the direction of that Progressive Party headquarters you referenced, I’m there. I really would prefer going over to the Independent Common Movement headquarters, but I just can’t seem to find the contact information for it.
You are correct, sir, their is no progressive party. Perhaps my use of capital letters confused you.
Once upon a time their were progressives in the democratic party. They went on freedom rides and worked for civil rights. They nearly single-handedly ended the Vietnam War by rioting in the streets and getting their heads bashed in by cops. They did not stand behind Wall Street types and millionaires. They got up off their ass and fucking DID something.
Then came the Reagan Revolution. For some reason people loved having it broke off in them by this crazy old fuck. When he spat out the word “liberal” like he’d just bitten into a shit sandwich, people swooned. Thus began the end of the progressive movement. I guess we were tired of fighting only to end up with this fucking train wreck. Unfortunately no one ever stepped up to take our place.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain to me how this Independent Common Movement you speak of plans to combat the billions upon billions of corporate cash and the corporate media in any election. The US is a dying society done in by it’s own greed and hunger for power.
Dear Jane,
I noticed that the Sierra Club was a non-existant entity a few years ago when trying to find kindred support for my idea to generate electricity in such a way as to not ruin the planet’s ecosystem.
Now we are down to the one core factor upon which all other issues logically stem from: how is the human species going to begin to live in a more perfect harmony with Planet Earth.
During the Health Care Reform cluster-blank, your voice stood out above the din and roar, as a brilliant mind, and a good heart. There is no partisan divide when truth is is the goal, and everyone regardless of political persuasion knows that offshore drilling has caused irreparable harm to all life human and all life that will be first felt by those whom live in the immediate path of the prehistoric shit, and eventually affect every one of us to some degree, even the landlocked states. We find ourselves in the good fight of good fights, if we loose the human species will become extinct sooner than otherwise, and if the human species fails to get it’s act together regarding energetics, then the human species deserves to become extinct sooner than perhaps otherwise, so welcome to the team Dear Lady Jane, and thank you for choosing to be a soul intent on proving worthy of the gift of consciousness.
Whether we “win” or “loose” doesn’t matter, what matters is that we stand up for truth, common sense, and the common good.
Thanks.
Those of you wondering why the likes of Sierra Club and other big “green” corps aren’t *really* working on the spill besides a bit of lip service to secure their next round of funding, should check out this horribly enlightening article at The Nation –
The Wrong Kind of Green from March 4, 2010 – http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100322/hari
Here’s an ongoing conversation after the article published. Make sure you read the article first!
Conservation Groups & Corporate Cash – http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100322/forum
The article actually had me yelling out loud to myself, so be prepared for your possible desire to do that.
I am absolutely sick over this continued spilling and from all the others, back to when the Exxon Valdez happened. Which, btw, was not caused by a drunken sailor, but by lack of cheaply obtained safety equipment.
And, to answer some questions here on what happened to the people of Alaska, didley squat. Also, the oil is all still there, right under the sand and rocks. If you touch the ground, it’s right below the surface – deadly as ever.
why do we want a centrist party, when we already have the democrats. I want a progressive third party!
Absolutely agree. I have done two things specifically in an effort to try to recruit opposing views to a joint endeavor. 1. I pointed out to the ‘left’ that, questioning the conduct of a particular candidate or official regardless of that person’s affiliation was a hallmark of the late great Professor Howard Zinn, who called me his “star pupil.” http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/guess-whom-howard-zinn-called-his-star-pupil-jbjd/ Then, I asked for their help in sorting out this ballot eligibility dilemma.
2. I pointed out to the ‘right’ that, the R’s are as complicit with enabling the election fraud that placed the name of Barack Obama on the ballot in applicable states; as were the D’s for foisting him on us in the first place. http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/idioms/ Then, I challenged them to confront the R’s about their failure to help sort out this ballot eligibility dilemma.
My dear, we ALL want that, but right now, it’s a pipe dream to think such a party could win. We are locked in the “panic room,” and at least a centrist third party could get us back into the living room, so to speak.
When you are in danger of being snuffed out completely, as we are, it is just empty bravado to scream that you will immediately destroy your enemies. First, you must survive and construct a viable foundation to rebuild from.
BTW, the Dems are NOT centrist, They are CORPORATE. That’s not centrist.
I would rather be called a Rockefeller Republican than an Obama Democrat.
Let’s resurrect a progressive movement with a third party! I pegged Obama as a neoliberal corporatist when he appointed Summers and Geithner shortly after his election. Others pegged him as a corporatist in fake progressive “clothing”/promises during the campaign. Anyone who still thinks he has much progressive in him is looking through a very muddy glass indeed.
I wish the 20% or so (if that) of the Dems in Congress who are truly progressive would break off from the Dem. party so we could make some noise.