Well this is encouraging. Dick Durbin is one of the “liberals” on the President’s Debt Commission, which is currently studying cuts to Social Security and Medicare as a way to reduce the deficit.
And he certainly has mastered the fine art of messaging to the Democratic base:
[Durbin] admonished “bleeding heart liberals” to be open to program reductions to restore fiscal balance.
Thanks, Dick. It is just so wonderful that the Democrats swept Congress and the White House in 2008. God knows what the Republicans would be saying about us.
While Durbin turns the hippie-kicking up to 11, Peter Orszag still nurtures his dream of cutting Medicare and Social Security in order to balance the budget and reduce the deficit. So here’s one for the eggheads and their pocket protectors — why don’t they expand Medicare and reduce the deficit?
As Jon Walker has noted, offering Medicare coverage to businesses would save almost a trillion dollars over the next decade, based on information in the CBO, the CMS and even the UnitedHealth Group-owned Lewin Group:
Medicare is roughly 15-30% cheaper than private insurance for providing the same level of coverage. Given that health care costs are roughly 16% of our GDP, and the tax exemption for employer-provided health insurance is the largest tax exemption in the system, really bringing down health care costs would dramatically reduce our deficit.
According to the Joint Committee On Taxation, the exemption for employer-provided health insurance cost the government $246.1 billion in 2007. For the four year time span, FY2009-FY2012, the exemption was projected to cost $1.228 trillion.
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[F]orcing all employers to buy insurance through a Medicare-for-all system and replacing the new health care exchanges with a Medicare buy-in would probably be projected by the CBO to reduce the deficit by close to $1 trillion over the next decade based on some simplified calculations. Improving Medicare cost effectiveness by allowing direct drug price negotiation and drug re-importation would further help reduce the federal deficit by billions more.
We’re in this budgetary quagmire not because of social safety net programs like Medicare and Social Security, but because none of the “fiscal hawks” has the stones to stand up to the Medical Industrial Complex and run them efficiently. And also because hedge fund managers like Pete Peterson don’t want to pay their taxes.
So before you start hacking away at “entitlement programs” and telling little old ladies to suck it up and chow down with kitty, Dick (may I call you Dick?) how about a CBO score on the money that would be saved by a Medicare buy-in for businesses? I’m sure all those much-vaunted “small businesses” everyone is always gassing on about (you know, the “engines of economic growth”) would be delighted to see their health care costs cut 15%-30%. Think of what a good jobs creation measure it would be in a time of high unemployment.
I know, I know. Consider it a gift from my “bleeding heart” to. . . well, whatever it is you’ve got instead. You can thank me later.
(h/t TL)





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He certainly lives up to his name. Dick.
If they cut Medicare and Social Security, I’d suggest they’ll rue the day they thought up this one.
If liberals are “bleeding hearts,” the rest of you have ones made of stone.
I gotta wonder how much dough Pete Peterson’s funnelling these guys so they can screw America’s working class and their grandmothers.
Jeez. Speaking just for myself at the moment, as someone who’s just a few years away from Medicare – but farther from retirement on SSA (if ever, of course), this is pretty damn scary and infuriating, in equal parts.
Let me just say (surprise!/s) I did not work my butt off to get Democrats elected to screw Social Security and make sure I would live my old age on the street.
I could’ve stayed home and let the you-know-who’s do that.
Oh, almost forgot:
Dick’s DC Phone: 202-224-2152 (TTYD Number: 202-224-8180; Fax: 202-228-0400)
Dick’s Chicago Phone: 312-353-4952; Fax: 312-353-0150
Dick’s Marion, IL Phone: 618-998-8812; Fax: 618-997-0176
Dick’s Springfield, Phone: 217-492-4062; Fax: 217-492-4382
Dick’s Twitter: http://twitter.com/dickdurbin/
Ask him why he doesn’t ask for a CBO score on the money that would be saved by a Medicare buy-in for businesses, and is instead pushing Pete Peterson’s plans to make Granny eat cat food.
Exactly. Even the “we can’t let Republicans pick Stevens’ replacement!” line falls flat if the only ones the Dems will consider are conservative buddies of John Roberts (like Garland) or people who make Harriet Miers look like a seasoned legal pro (like Kagan). He’d better pick Wood, that’s all I can say.
That’s funny. Durbin has 1,300 followers and he’s never Tweeted a damn thing. That tells me that his office signed up to prevent cyber-squatting and has no use in using it.
The voters outside looked from Democrat to Republican, and from Republican to Democrat, and from Democrat to Republican again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
You know, for a second there I thought that it might almost be worth it to set up http://twitter.com/SenatorDurbinSpeaks or some other suchness as a parody site, just to see what happens.
Even Durbin is rushing to shove Bush’s useless tax cuts and useless wars down the memory hole.
This is the first economic downturn, at least since records have been kept in the US, in which the wealthiest 1% gained more wealth.
Lowest approval rating for the Democratic Party in 15 years. I’m sure cutting social security will make those skyrocket.
Now I’m seeing a graphic of the Congressional dome with the sign “Animal Farm”.
And liberals like Dick ought to be open to finding a job outside of government.
And without the cushy pensions, socialized health care, and sundry perks of his current employment.
I had to stop watching the “fiscal responsiblity” summit yesterday. The fawning over Peterson and his checkbook was revolting.
a–hole
Light up his phones and let him know that.
So, everyone opposed to cutting Social Security and Medicare is a bleeding heart liberal? This will certainly come as a surprise to millions of senior voters.
This is why we need public financing of elections. I think we can just about draw a straight line from the Roberts Court ruling in Citizens United to Durbin’s knuckling under to Pete Peterson.
To make things even weirder you have the, “keep your government hands off my Medicare!” set.
Yo dickster,
Cut the military-industrial-congressional-complex budget by at least half and that makes my bleeding heart beat fast not so much killing,
then eliminate the cap on earnings for Social Security tax,
makes my bleeding heart beat faster a non-regressive tax ,
Let that settle out for a few years then we’ll talk.
The Pentagon needs our Social Security to fight terror to keep us safe. The President’s job apparently is not to uphold the Constitution (a goddamned piece of paper), but to keep Merkins safe from (US government-created) boogiemen and to pick our wallets clean for Pete Peterson.
Hey Dick, I tried to get my bleeding heart fixed but it’s not covered under ObamaCare.
(Perhaps that’s better named “Don’tCare.”)
Scary Stupid; Scary Dishonest
I really am looking forward to a TeaParty Controlled Congress working hand-in-hand with the Tancredo Administration in 2013. The sooner the collapse of this diseased, corrupted Corporate Monarchy takes place, the better off my kids will be.
I think we can get the House and Senate to accept public campaign financing… provided it’s paid for by cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
What about cutting the defense budget you freaking idiot?
Yeah, but many of the tea party types are currently being carefully taught that Soc Security is an “entitlement” that they, themselves, didn’t earn and don’t deserve, doncha know???
Wait for it. My money’s on the Tea Party to come out in full regalia shouting about how Soc Sec and Medicare should be cut, cut, cut, cut because, they are, after all, all socialismy and all. frankly, I’ve been watching this meme being built up in the righwing media for quite a while now. I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect the two branches of our one party gov’t are using the current economy – why how opportune – ram this through.
My prediction is that my rightwing family will be drinking this kool aid and buying it. hope y’all have your own savings plans… don’t count on social sec.
Of course, any “real” issues with SS could be resolved by increasing the deduction limit, which is completely regressive. Why is it capped at $110,000? Ridiculous. Cap it at $500,000, at least, or have no cap whatsover. the problem will be gone.
All this screwing of the average person by the Dem-GOP alliance is going to result in a takeover of government by a really extreme political group. The only question is whether it will be a corporate-backed fascist group or a citizen-fueled truly liberal group. And I’m not liking the odds on the latter.
That’s great.
Surely you jest? No doubt the military-industrial complex is paying off Senator Durbin big time! No sense in him biting the hand that feeds him handsomely. Gotta please Big Daddy WarBuck$$$$$! The peons? Eff the peons.
Pay no attention to the elephant in the room. Durbin is a puppet for the Military Industrial Complex and Pete Peterson. See him shuck and jive?
I don’t know about either happening, imo. I think the serfs have been bamboozled and dumbed down for so long, that they’ll buy just about anything these days. I really don’t think things have gotten nearly bad enough to awaken most citizens from their stupors. Plus they’ve been very well taught to blame all ills on poor people, who the one who are really ripping us all off, doncha know?
It would be nice if dicks like Dick actually paid his fair share of the Social Security tax.
Leave Pete Peterson and his spawn ALONE!
They have already suffered enough.
and said, “Round up the usual suspects.”
(EV’s statement immediately brought to mind the pivotal scene is Casablanca.”
BTW I’m really tired of issues like this being labeled as “liberal,” and that “bleeding heart liberals” have to “be open” to being ripped off.
IMO this isn’t a “liberal” issue. It’s about corporations ripping us off.
HOW can we get this insane labeling to stop? Why is Durbin labeling this as “bleeding heart liberals” needing to agree to a rip off (question partially rhetorical)??
I would really like to figure out some way to get away from this kind of labeling. I truly don’t see this as a “liberal” or “progressive” issue. This is a serious situation facing all citizens. Why is the presumption that only “bleeding heart liberals” care about this???
LOL!
Two wars run off the books. Of course if we stopped today, it would make unemployment that much worse what with all those young soldiers turned back into civilians.
Who is it who always says, Someday this war’s gonna end?
I called his office. They don’t sound worried. We need to fire up the Gray Panthers…
As it happens, I am at home, waiting to be called for work … a little time on my hands, it seems….
Tx for the nos. brb
That may be changing. I just got a message on the DC line – “If you are calling during office hrs [til 6PM EDT], please hang up and try again later, as we are experiencing unusually high call volume.”
Heh heh.
Here’s another idea, Dick. Let’s just ask everybody for their papers and if they’re not citizens, just run ‘em out of the country. That oughta save a ton of “entitlement” money. Right? RIGHT?
Why should they be? Durbin has one of the safest seats in the Senate. That’s why he gets picked for this stuff.
Just got through on the Chicago Durbin office phone – they asked for my zip code, but still promised to pass the message along.
I said that as a Dem, I didn’t appreciate being called a “bleeding heart” for expecting him to work on raising the deduction cap instead of telling me I should expect my soc sec and medicare to be cut.
How about instead we end the wars, close most of the bases world wide, and cut the Military budget to about 25% of the size it is now. Oh and for good measure vote out losers like Dick Durbin.
So, dearest Jane, with all respect, please tell me again why we should keep hitching our wagon and all our hopes to the Democratic Party? To my eyes, which I keep wide open, they seem totally incorrigible and virtually unremovable, and even the new ones we get in there are immediately bought off by the corporations.
Why not a CENTRIST third party effort instead? Could that really, possibly encompass more difficulties than trying to turn these dinosaur donkey corporate whores around? Please Jane, give this some hard thought, because you are a true leader and among the very best we’ve got. And it’s painful to see all your/our efforts result in this kind of continuous and predictable abuse from the guys who are supposed to be OUR team.
Twittered a similar message. I don’t have many followers, but with luck, there’ll be a trend and mine will get picked up along with us.
Get to it, twitterers!
(Um, I’m told it looks pathetic to have so few followers, so my Twitter is more like an RSS feed, but I re-tweet good stuff. If anybody’s interested in following me, ahem, just search my nom here)
Maybe just maybe Dick should think about eliminating the salary caps for S.S. and Medicare. That way everyone pays into these programs equally as a percentage of the income they earn.
F!!! him! This could cost him his seat.
I’m sorry did Aliens invade? Every where I look it seems someone else is robotically imitating the goopers. Is that Dick Durbin inside that head or did some insidious alien just manifest itself?
Dan Rostenkowski got chased out of a Social Security meet by old folks and ran to his car Durbin wants to repeat history?
This sounds like Durbin’s audition tape for majority leader.
After the Republicans take over.
Hey, get this: Following up on selise’s post request, I made a contribution (through ActBlue) to the Teach-In on real deficit reduction that took place yesterday in D.C. So today I get the following e-mail from Erin Hill at ActBlue:
Here’s my tender reply:
“You’re kidding me, right? The “sort of health security that the Democrats have worked so hard to bring to the American people”? You mean that crap sandwich faux reform bill that the Dems all caved in on? “Health security”? Like the kind that would have come with the public option? (Oops, forgot that the Great One, the Annoited Pure and Perfect Leader, President Pinocchio, never campaign on the public option. Not.)
You’re asking me for a contribution to elect Democrats on the same day that Dick Durbin is standing up in the Senate and saying that “bleeding heart liberals will have to suck it up and accept cuts in Social Security and Medicare” for deficit reduction? Cuts in the SS that I only started receiving in March, after paying into the sytem since I got my first part-time job at the age of 15?
You don’t get it: more and more true progessives like me (43-year registered dem and volunteer in various Dem campaigns) are now at the point of saying “FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC SHILL & SELLOUT PARTY”. You’ve got my e-mail address only because I contributed to the Deficit Teach-In. Otherwise, you can stick your fund-raising bullshit e-mails up your devious, veal pen ass.
And just in case I didn’t make myself clear: Fuck the Dems, Fuck ActBlue, and fuck you, Erin Hill, for taking a paycheck from ActBlue. You’re as bad as the “good German” minions who carried out Nazi policies.”
Think I was too harsh on her? (I realize that any reply will only go to an unmonitored junk account, but it felt good anyway.)
Lets poll this end the wars or cut Social Security then lets talk to Durbin the results of the poll should be broadcast on the news if we can do that.
That was my first thought reading Jane’s excellent post.
“Fiscal Responsibility” in the face of perpetual war makes no sense. I’m pretty sure TPTB could cut “entitlements” to zero and not make a significant dent in the EEEEVIL DEFICIT.
Crazy. As in, bunch of bleedin’ psychopaths.
FunnyDiva
LOL : )
Psst, Dick, it’s not the BHLs (aka DFHs) that should be worrying you. We’ve already shown ourselves to be completely toothless, a non-threat to Dems. Nope, we’re not the ones you need to worry about… It’s the screaming geriatric set from last summer telling you in no uncertain terms to keep your dishonest thieving hands off Medicare (and Social Security). Senior citizens vote in disproportionately large numbers. Tell ya what Dick, if you want to get a sense of how well this is gonna go down, ask W. And then go update your resume. I’m sure some lobbyist firm will hire you after the dust settles after the elections.
Please note: You responded to this question from me recently by stating the obvious factors about the difficultes of getting a generic third party off the ground, which I understand, but you failed to address at all the CENTRIST nature of that third party as I was proposing it, so I did not feel you relly responded to my question. I think a centrist third party faces very different prospects than a leftist third party would, and would still represent a huge improvement over the corporate-owned setup we have now. Could you please address the concept of a centrist third party?
There are simple painless and beneficial things that could be done TODAY if there was political will. 1. Means test SS. Someone that has a generous pension or annuity (not earned income) but has a high yearly income does not need SS. 2. Remove the cap on SS from income and wages. 3. Expand medicare to include younger and healthier people that will pay into medicare, but use far fewer services until later in life. If we did these three simple things it would make a huge financial impact.
You’re gentler than I am.
I would like for them to cut their insurance, pension and retirement benefits, then go to federal workers first,,then start with the population…
But how about cutting the 1.1 trillion defence budge first…Then means test SS and Medicare…
Then have a medicare buy in for all..
Just a start…DICK
Yes, and he wants to be the next Majority Leader.
well that’s actually possible. Seniors vote.
First one will never happen, and for very practical reasons, I’m not sure it should.
The main reason SocSec is so popular is that everybody receives it eventually. Therefore, it is not “welfare,” and therefore, everybody who might otherwise be against it (esp. those who oppose “welfare”) supports it and fights back attempts to cut it.
We’ve learned over decades that once a payment or “entitlement” is means-tested and/or only available to the poor or poor-er, it is doomed. The middle-class will abandon it, sooner or later.
Look at the efforts to cut SocSec. They’re not working, so far, with the population, bevcause it is not means-tested.
Everyone has a stake in it.
Take away that stake, and not enough people will care (at least not enough who vote) for it to survive.
Therefore, although it would otherwise make sense, it would be a really bad idea.
There, fixed. (Following someone else’s point, can’t find it right now)
It’s funny, in the media they always accompany stories like this by saying something like: “The American people are confused, everybody wants to cut spending, but when you ask them what to cut, they haven’t a clue”.
Really? No clue where to start?
To me this shows the paucity of the public discourse on the subject.
Where to start? How about cutting senatorial pensions, and cutting the quality of senate healthcare plans? Doesn’t that sound like a much better place to start trimming the fat?
I’d be willing to bet that a majority of Americans, including the “Real™” ones, would have no problem seeing those cuts enacted.
OMFG. Erin is (unintentionally) hilarious! She is so proud to have helped bring the kind of “health security” that no one can afford without begging for cash from others. Uh, I think we had that already, Erin-no Dems required!
She deserves everything you threw at her, BJ. I sure hope someone reads it.
The corporate-owned duopoly known as the Democrats and the Republicans. Dismantling all social programs for the bankers to get their hands on the funds.
Both are guilty of treason.
We need an alternative to this.
It’s quite a pickle. Folks are incredibly overwhelmed with job/errands/transportation/friends/family/hobbies/charity/church and then of course the teevee…
I think the revolt starts when Amercians can no longer afford to see American Idol or Dancing with the Stars..
Until then they will willfully stay dumbed down, why, where would you direct them if they woke up??
Durbin Says “Bleeding Heart Liberals” Should Be Open to Medicare and Social Security Cuts
It’s nice to know who our friends are…. and aren’t.
It’s really stunning that these guys keep wanting to raise the age of eligablility. All the while, the data is coming in: that for those who most need it, those with low income, the average life expectancy is NOT going up.
Quite a band of thieves, Mr. Obama put together for that commission (e.g., Greenspan? Uncle Al? and Reuben??? aHa-ha-ha!)
Hey, I got that email, too. Just replied. I omitted the four-letter words, but believe I was clear that I could no longer help ActBlue. Certainly not with healthcare.
There is an email address to send questions and comments to, listed at the bottom of the email message from AB. I used that, rather than reply. Figure there’s a chance that will get read.
I would direct them to a centrist third party that would focus on the issues that affect the pocketbooks and safety of most real-life regular Americans and the desire of all decent people for clean and accountable government, and avoided dealing with the divisive social issues traditionally embraced by both the left and the right.
We have to be realistic about Medicare and similar government costs. Too much has been promised, including the Republican bill passed in 2005 that added hundreds of billions to drug spending yet without a dime to pay for it !!
I’ll be using Medicare in a few years, but I want it to be financially sound. I don’t think it should be wasting money on things like drugs for sex. We also need an army of Fed’s to go after all the fraud in Medicare. Apparently some crooks use it’s payment system against it, it must pay for something so quickly that it is difficult to check if it is honest. Catch them, throw them in jail, along with Wall St.
“…where would you direct them if the woke up?” Exactly. Where? Neither “party” of the corporate duopoly will behave any differently. To whom do we turn? Yes, third parties, if possible. But still…
There’s many ways to make cuts or reduce deficits, beginning with removing the Soc Sec cap on income deductions. If the military industrial complex ripped off the soc sec trust fund (as some claim, which may be true), then remove the deduction cap.
Durbin’s a tool for our corporate overlords, and I’m tired of being labeled a “liberal” for just wanting what I’ve earned. That’s freaking not liberal… it’s actually a relatively conservative notion.
This kind of labeling has got to stop (yeah: I’m talking to my brick wall here). But seriously: think about it. WHY is Durbin calling this out as some “bleeding heart liberal” problem?? Ask you friends if they consider themselves “bleeding heart liberals,” do they consider themselves citizens who are being ripped off????? and not being permitted to access their earnings????
P.S. I do consider myself a liberal, but given how the rightwing media has been incredibly successful at demonizing the term, I think it’s only right to call this out for the bs labeling that is. And I don’t really consider this a “liberal issue” at all.
100% agree
Just called to let Senator Durbin’s office know how offensive I thought his statement was, and inaccurate. Said close the tax loopholes starting with those that let those that make their living ‘investing’ not have that income be treated as such. Capital Gains should not apply for any investment i held less then two years – everything else would be taxed at the full income rate INCLUDING payroll taxes. Told them that the deficit was a real issue, but that Social Security and Medicare cuts were not the answer, there were a lot of better and more lucrative answers to the problem.
I was also asked for my zip code. (And I thanked the staffer, as I was still hot under the collar when I started and he was very good about it.)
The lower 80 percent of US income and wealth don’t have the means to support current social security and medicare payments not to mention the 100 Billion a year increase in each going on.
Maybe the Durbin balloon is just fire and thunder to get acceptance for what they are really planning.
All the good suggestions so far here, lower military spending, increased social security taxes, and taxes on tax dodgers are a start. But with companies like GE paying NO Federal income taxes for years on end, it makes you wonder how about the “refunds” they will be getting to subsidize the COBRA stimulus for their layoffs.
This whole deficit thing is bigger than taxes, it involves the gutting of the US economy while US health spending increases over 1 percent of GDP a year. The favored few, health care, military, government, bankers, etc are getting larger slices of a smaller pie.
I got thru on my first call to his DC office. They ask for a zip code. So have an Illinois one ready. I am not from IL but I’ve contributed to his campaign in the past. Fat chance of making that mistake again.
If Medicare covered everyone under 65, we’ll no longer have new retirees reach 65 (if they live that long) in poor health simply because they had been uninsured. That will save Medicare $100 billion a year in medical expenditures. Over 10 years, that’s more revenue than every spending cut and tax hike in Obama’s health insurer bailout.
http://www.annals.org/content/early/2009/10/05/0003-4819-151-11-200912010-00149.full
I’m getting used to the idea that the leadership of the Democratic Party will spit on me & the American people. They’ve turned out to be no better than those who were in power from ’95 to ’09.
Meanwhile, anyone know which party Crist would caucus with if he wins in Nov? Somehow, I doubt the Republicans will be as willing to bend over for him as the Democrats have been for Lieberman.
Obama, Reid, Durbin, Orszag – true bleeding ass liberals.
Doesn’t Illinois have a mechanism to recall their elected representatives?
I was amused that after 30 years of being called bleeding hearts suddenly we were accused of plotting to kill grandma. Now we’re bleeding hearts again. Consistency is not a politician’s strong suit, the media either – no following logic or reason in a straight line. ever. dick.
I like the idea of cutting off pensions and health care for senators- and I promise – I won’t shed a tear over that.
The Democrats deserve to be OUT.
Original source? Context? Complete quote? Please.
Oh, and the former GOP county commissioner in Georgia who endorsed Medicare for All last year just published a new op-ed (and is back in office):
When Nixon went to China, reversing U.S. policy and decades-long GOP doctrines, it proved to be his greatest foreign policy success.
It is good for the country and the GOP for that party to change course and accept a greater role for government in health insurance, just as the conservatives eventually did in Britain.
Specifically, the GOP should endorse Medicare for all, which will be the inevitable cost-control solution after all other strategies fail.
Jack Bernard is a county commissioner in Jasper County, Ga., and former chairman of the Jasper County Republican Party. He was a senior executive with several national for-profit hospital services companies before his retirement.
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2010/04/04/1072025/winning-the-battle-losing-the.html
Eliminate the caps and raise the retirement age to 72. Face it, people are living much longer more productive lives. Social Security is a “safety net”, not a retirement plan.
Was durbin sobbing and choking out his words in a hoarse, tear-strangled voice? Or does he save that only for when he apologizes for telling the truth?
And this guy will likely be the next majority leader (assuming we hold the majority). And we progressives thought it couldn’t get any worse than harry reid?
BTW harry, don’t count your chickens quite yet (see what I did there?). I’m sure you’ll save a titanic gaffe for right around Nov. first. Lowden’s poultrygate will be long forgotten by the time you mumble and stumble across the campaign’s finish line.
But, but, but… Dick Durbin is one of the good guys, he was so heroic in his rhetoric about the banks.
I guess it turns out we like red meat as much as everybody else.
When millionaires with permanent taxpayer-funded government health care and pensions – the best and most secure and un-cancellable around – take a major haircut, or even legislate for billionaire hedge fund managers to pay more than 15% income tax, I’ll consider his suggestion, when everything else that is more wasteful has been tried. Until then, all I can say to Mr. Durbin is, “Fuck you, Dick.”
Nah, it’s that Dick Durbin likes Pete Peterson’s money as much as anyone else. Dick never used to suck like this — he actually was a pretty decent senator, once upon a time. But the Citizens United ruling has made it so that billionaire guys like Pete Peterson have no limits on their ability to make running for office so expensive that only people willing to sell their votes in return for campaign cash (or those who are themselves exceedingly rich and can self-finance) have a prayer of winning elections
This is only true if money wins elections. Propaganda wins elections, and not all propaganda is expensive, nor effective.
Fuck Dick Durbin.
Teddy —
Please don’t sugar coat it.
Sorry Dick, “bleeding heart liberals” have no interest in helping you with the yard work at the Peter G Peterson plantation. I sure hope Mr Peterson likes Dick, because that’s all he’s gonna be getting.
Only 6 more painful months till the incumbent Bloodbath.
Indeed, bring on the newbies. I’d be completely content with a wave of complete wingnuts at this point, at least they’re not shy about why they hate me, and what they intend to do to me.
I can almost stomach the constant screw-job, it’s the bullshit pillow-talk that makes it so painful.
Two methods for increasing revenue and decreasing the deficit:
Make corporations pay their fair share of taxes. Exxon Mobile paid ZERO income taxes in 2009 and instead received a tax benefit of $1.1 BILLION dollars. This is the same corporation that had historically high profits (more than any corporation in history).
The Obama administration said they could raise $86.5 billion through 2019 by ending a strategy that lets U.S.- based multinational companies effectively hide the role their foreign subsidiaries play in shifting profits into low-tax jurisdictions such as the Cayman Islands (ie. tax havens). Of course, they backed away from that.
We need to deal with the military industrial complex in this country.
How many people honestly believe that cutting the social safety nets (Social Security and Medicare) will provide the solution to our economic issues?
Kidding yourself. Nothing is more effective than a well-crafted TV ad. Nothing. And the pols all know it.
Isn’t that astounding. It boggles the mind considering how many firms were going belly-up.
Isn’t this a pretty good indication they knew the federal gov’t had to bail them out and keep them healthy?
Banks definitely have to pay the price.
Indeed many are Republicans and probably more than a few are TEA Partiers.
Why don’t they fess up that it’s the general Treasury which has to pay back a lot of promisory notes to Soc. Sec. before it would ever come close to bankruptcy?
Why don’t they discuss ‘defense’ spending as a heavy burden on the taxpayer and the budget?
Why do they insist on lying when everybody knows they’re lying liars?
Dick Durbin, just another of the rotating villains. There is not a single progressive politician in Washington. A few will use progressive rhetoric. Heck, even Obama did although he uses less and less. But not one of them will vote progressive except on cosmetic votes and not even so often on them.
A. It’s time to scrap the “Progressive” banner.
B. Liberals need to open formal negotiations with the Immigration Reform movement. We need foot soldiers.
C. Virtually every seating Democrat must go.
D. The left must draft a slate of USSCJ that is our litmus test.
E. We must bring back to the front burner the environmental movement.
F. We need to replace workers’ unions leadership across the board.
G. We will run a primary challenger to Obama in 2012. Let’s begin a search, now.
Where the sun don’t shine.
I strongly disagree with any means testing of Social Security. That is a Trojan Horse that will result in the meme spreading that Social Security is “welfare.” If it is truly Social then it must apply to all of us. The savings of means testing is hardly anything compared to the damage it does to the nature of the program.
Raise the cap, leave retirement age alone and face up to the fact that some people have very difficult work lives and can’t go on and on forever. Then, have the general treasury pay back their promisory notes.
SS will look fine then, but the treasury will look horrible.
Then cut “Defense”, eliminate the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy, end some wars and we’ll be on track to fiscal responsibility.
Continue to lie to the public and we’ll never get there.
Durbin is just following Obama’s lead concerning Medicare and Social Security. Obama repeatedly said during the campaign that Americans were going to have to make tough decisions on financial matters. He was talking about these programs. Frankly, I don’t think Obama can be trusted to deal with these programs since he consistently talks a populace game while undercutting legislation in favor of corporate interests. Obama wanted a Presidential Commission empowered with binding authority to modify these programs. Fortunately, Congress rejected his proposal because Obama wanted Judd Gregg and Rep. Ryan to play a important role in the commission. These two have little regard for either program. I voted for change, but I didn’t realize he was talking about himself.
No, no, no, no, no, no! No raising the retirement age. That is cutting benefits and that’s the wrong way to go. Instead we should LOWER the retirement age, which would open up the labor market for younger people, increasing wages, and thus increasing the payments into Social Security.
Is this the same logic which was used around 9 years back when country was enjoying budget surpluses that tax cuts for the upper bracket will lead to bigger economic pot, more investment and more job creation. We all know how that logic is panning out right now.
Entitlement programs are our civic duty to our fellow countrymen to give them a dignified life in their golden years irrespective of the outcomes they achieved with the risks they took in their younger years. That is the measure of the progress of the sensitivity and civilized state of any country including ours when the weak and helpless are taken care of(Do not expect a person in their 70s and 80s to get a job and work hard like a young person).
Entitilement program of social security can be easily fixed with removing income limit.
Entitlement program of Medicare can be easily fixed with public option or medicare buy-in.
Regarding balancing budgets bring back the tax rates where the upper bracket paid 90% till start of 1970s and the budget will be balanced this very minute.
Please do not attack to remove some of the few symbols of a civilized society out of our midst. Our founding fathers intended our country to become an example or symbol for the rest of the world to follow if one reads our declaration of independence and constitution and our country has been trying to live to that example so far.
Hack away at entitlement programs while giving a few tongue lashings to Wall Street fat cats. Real change. Why is that medicare, medicaid, retirement are called “entitlement” programs. When did that term enter our lexicon?
Fuck you too, Dick.
Obviously Dick Durbin is Rahm/Obama’s point man on gutting, er, “reforming” Social Security.
To say this stuff is insane and idiotic enough (not to mention heartless), but to do it in an election year when your base is already majorly pissed off is truly, amazingly stupid.
It ain’t that safe. Illinois (my home state) is pretty blue, but after you get an hour south of Chicago, you’re talking red, rural southern mentality. In other words, very red, very conservative, and very Republican. Alan Dixon (one of Durbin’s predecessors) was from the southern part of the state, and although he was a Dem, he was very conservative, even voting for Clarence Thomas in 1992.
Anything can happen. If dipshit Durbin manages to alienate enough voters in the heavily Democratic Chicago area, expect him to lose to a diehard conservative from down in the southern part of the state.
no.
at least you were much more polite than i have been.
yikes. it’s like having a credit card company ask for donations.
(thanks for the donation to the teach-in though, unlike donating to actblue i do think that was a good cause. and fyi there will be audio and slide shows up for all the sessions pretty soon. ).
Don’t forget that Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel believes progressives and liberals have no where else to go. As we saw with the AHIP – Heritage Foundation written health insurance reform bill, the Obama administration really doesn’t care what many in the “base” think.
What does it say about a persons character that they can cut social safety net programs while wanting and funding the biggest military industrial complex in history?
He’s just another dipstick that has been there to long, and went along with what caused the problems, and now would have us think He knows how to fix them at our expense.
But for whom is Durbin carrying water? That’s the real question. I suspect his name begins with “O” and he has a Rahmster in a wheel as his aide.
He’d better pick Wood, that’s all I can say.”
I agree- but only because Hillary’s choice over at State – Harold Koh – a prominent advocate of human rights and civil rights – is not about to get on Obama’s list because he is too “left”
I can answer that. “Entitlement” is almost a term of art. Dates back to the late sixties, early seventies.
Entitlement, because there if you qualify, you are “entitled” to the benefit. There’s no first-come-first-served, or any other such limitation. There are qualifications (such as, have reached the age of 65), and if you meet them, you’re entitled to get the bennie.
That, of course, is why the cost keeps rising, you can’t say “no” to anyone who qualifies.
(Not an editorial opinion in any way, just an explanation)
Dick Durban is considered a leader of the progressive/liberal factions. Just dump the fucking democrats already!
Comparing Erin Hill to a Nazi is a bit too strong, but I like the rest.
Ralph Nader in 2012, send the Dumbocrats a message.
Cutting entitlements and keeping the government from giving to the people is necessary!
You don’t want people to be able to live without the ever present fear of finding themselves homeless and dead in the street a month later over a going to the doctor for a cough.
You don’t want them to be able to take time and relax…god help us if we did that…how else could the trillionaires keep their boots on our throats?
Ryan?
The ahole that proposed a 6 page budget without any numbers or programs?
THAT Ryan?
That’s the one. Don’t hold your punches – he is an asshole. Obama compliments Gregg and him every chance he gets.
“And the banks — hard to believe in a time when we’re facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created — are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place,”
- Dick Durbin
April 29, 2009
Durban’s the front man for Obama.
Ol’ Ralph is tired and politically impotent. Why bother? New blood is needed for an independent challenger of the Dems.
Suggestions?
Joe Sestak?
Sherrod Brown?
Brian Schweitzer?
Your $.02?
(I really dislike the “Edit” feature here at the Lake, the one that ruins your careful sentence and paragraph construction if you happen to have to edit…amateurish.)
Sestak? Who can’t even depose scum like Specter? Gimme a break.
Sherrod Brown? Another phony shill. Caved on HCR. Will do the same on his break-up-the-banks bill.
Don’t know anything about Schweitzer, but I do have some — IMO — better nominees:
Elizabeth Warren
Jane Hamsher
Simon Johnson
Glenn Greenwald
Pair either of the two women with either of the two men and you’d have a ticket I’d back, 110%, to the hilt.
Obama, Durbin and the rest of the useless sellout corporate Democrats, hellbent to gut Medicare & Social Security. Stupid me. I thought Our Hero President would at least have the good taste to leave that till his second term. Should make a hell of a blackwaterdog diary at Orange.