Immigration just might be the issue that breaks through the White House “veal pen” strategy and forces them to deal with an issue — or risk the defection of an important part of the Democratic base in the 2010 elections.
When the White House punted on immigration reform lat year after the Sotomayor confirmation, I started asking members of Congress if they thought immigration would actually come up for a vote this year. They all laughed, as if anyone would expect them to do something so controversial in a midterm election year.
But even before the Arizona law was passed, the standard White House strategy for quelling liberal discontent was already at risk of failure. Captivating community validators, engaging in symbolic gestures and then blaming the GOP for their inability to carry them out has worked well on issues like health care, choice and LGBT rights, but there were signs that those who care about immigration reform were not going to be so easily pacified.
Nobody believed that Luis Gutierrez was actually going to tell Hispanic voters to stay away from the polls in 2010, but the fact that he was already threatening to go nuclear was a sign of the pressure he was already feeling from his constituents.
As Jonathan Martin writes in Politico this morning:
[F]or Democrats to pass immigration reform before November, party leaders would have to force members from conservative-leaning districts to cast yet another tough vote that could raise the ire of swing voters.
Remember, Rahm Emanuel is the architect of the corporate welfare platform known as NAFTA, and after blaming his 2006 failures as head of the DCCC on the fact that Democrats weren’t “tough enough” on immigration, he got Heath Shuler to put forward the draconian SAVE Act. He then encouraged all the freshmen to co-sponsor it for electoral “protection” in 2008, triggering a revolt of the Hispanic caucus on the floor of the House.
But Hispanics turned out 2-1 for Obama in 2008, and were key to victories in swing states like Ohio and Florida. And now that everyone has midterms on the brain, America Votes has released a report identifying 41 races — 29 House seats, 8 Senate seats, and 3 Governor’s races – where Hispanic voters could determine the outcome.
The last thing Democrats want to do is bring a meaningful immigration bill up for a vote. Now that we all know what it looks like when the White House really wants to put the screws to Democratic House members and force them to vote for something — as we witnessed during the health care bill — symbolic gestures and “blame it on the Republicans” aren’t going to cut it.
But as Martin says, the GOP is also at risk here:
Republicans face longer-term peril — if they continue to push aggressive legislation cracking down on illegal immigrants, Hispanic voters are likely to continue their exodus to the Democratic Party.
Although the GOP would love to play the situation for political advantage, they risk permanent defection of Hispanic voters if they come off looking like a bunch of foaming racists. But the Democrats are equally at peril: people may just be too angry in the wake of the Arizona law to accept “not as bad as the GOP” as good enough.
Meaningful immigration reform has been way too long in coming. They should have addressed it last year. And now, the need to do something in the wake of the Arizona law could pit Democrats who need Hispanic voters to turn out in the fall against the Blue Dogs who don’t want to take another “tough vote” they feel won’t be popular in their districts.





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Good morning Jane have you seen this yet?
AZ Truck driver forced to show birth certificate claims racial-profiling
So it has started already!!
I disagree that the White House put the screws to the Blue Dogs on healthcare form. They turned control of the country over to the Blue Dogs.
Some Blue Dogs represent fewer people than live in my city and yet they are given all this power. Seems backwards to me. When a minority can rule the country, something is seriously wrong.
Yes and no — I think the Blue Dogs were actually supposed to be responsible for jamming all the worst shit into the bill and taking all the good parts out.
But when voting for it became politically toxic, they were the first to abandon it. So their own plans blew up in their faces, and they were forced to walk the plank anyway – threatened with primaries, picketing, loss of fundraising by the DNC. In this morning’s article on the DNC/OFA’s plans in the WaPo, it says money will go to those who supported the President’s agenda by voting for the health care bill.
The question is, will the White House apply the same commitment of party resources to MEANINGFUL immigration reform..
Jane, have you heard anything about what meaningful reform looks like and in what direction they are likely to go? It’s a difficult situation and I assume that we will get something that pleases no one.
Luis Gutierrez is an Exemplar to the Spanish-speaking community. He has workded diligently on the immigration issue for these past ten years.
When Obama took away the immigration portfolio from Gutierrez and gave it to Schumer, we in the Hispanic community viewrf this as a slight to Gutierrez and as an insult to our community writ large. And Obama has yet to apologize to Gutierrez. Of course, I won’t hold my breath.
As such, our Good Bud, Jane Hamsher lays it out correctly.
However, I will go a step further in that SCOTUS is “in play” as well. Napolitano is now the Secretary of Homeland Security on the premise that the Democrats needed a ‘hard nosed’ person on immigration in order to deflect the blows from the Right. Thus, Obama will have his opportunity to “pack the court” and not with his second nominee but with his third nominee and which, in my conversations with my fellow Latinos here in Arizona, will be Napolitano, since she will be that fifth vote that moves SCOTUS from a conservative-bent to a liberal-bent, and this battle royale, will be found on and in immigration reform. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid know this as well as does Mitchell and Kyl in the Senate. In short, the perceived velvet glove among the Republicans will come off and be replaced by the “uglies” or the political zombies.
Jaango
Jane, What are the chances we’ll simply see 1986 repeat?
I disagree with both you & Jane. Blue Dogs & Obamarahma are in kahoots and neither is screwing the other.
While I’ve been wrong often enough, it made sense to push Immigration reform as a way to compensate for the clear loss of support among those put out in the so-called Heath Care Reform. If this, instead, is their plan then they are even less capable than expected. If the best they that they think they can do is to say that the mean ole Rs stopped them then, they really are toast in the upcoming elections. Influenceable conservatives, assuming there are any left, and most fence sitting independents want winners not whiners. The fact that there was no effort to slow down the Arizona juggernaut, nor much beyond the now standard mild rebuke, after the law was signed, suggests that they think standing on the sidelines is their only winning strategy.
The conflict over a sweeping crackdown on illegal immigration in Arizona intensified Monday as vandals smeared refried beans in the shape of swastikas on the state Capitol’s windows.
But were they backwards?
Health care “reform,” financial “reform,” and now immigration “reform.” The first Grand Symbolic Gesture turned out to be a piece of shit. What are the odds the other two will as well? The pols need China and Japan to fund their wars, Wall Street to fund their campaigns, and for voters to believe that horseshit is filet mignon.
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I hope they don’t do this again because someone might get hurt, but I have to admit that the refried beans are a nice touch.
Nothin’ like a little imagination.
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I was in AZ this weekend and was dismayed but unsurprised by the Governor’s bill. My take is: what a waste of time. As many know, there’s bascially a war going on in Mexico that has little to do with the undocumented aliens who remain in the USA these days. Most undocumented Mexicans are here to work; work hard for low wages; and cause few problems for our nation. AZ is typically hypocritical bc the gov’t allowed the most white business owners to truck in undocumented workers for cheap wages to fuel the building boom. Now that the economy has tanked, suddenly the white racists don’t like the “illegals.”
What a waste. There are some very real issues in Mexico with the drug trade that is causing some serious problems both for Mexican citizens but also for US citizens. But measures like what passed in AZ are likely to do little to resolve or assist with that crisis (and maybe make it worse).
I hold out little hope that anything “good” can or will come out of this proposed legislation. It’s of some minor interest that Reid knifed Graham in the back, dumped the climate change legislation in favor of moving full steam ahead with this. My expectation is that it’ll be more of the same old Kabuki show with nods and winks to the Hispanic community to make it *seem* like the Dems are “doing something” for them.
Incompetence, cronyism, gimme money and lots of it… sadly this is what rules in our nation’s capital. I won’t hold my breath.
Tee hee… yeah: nice touch, but be careful.
Jane, over the weekend I spoke to one of my Senators and one of our (not mine) elected reps to Congress.
The rep is one who is highlighted in the report you and Jon link to. I asked him first if it is his impression that the whole DC scene is really a cesspool. He basically said that he was not in a position to be bought. He also mentioned that he had said “no” to committee chairs who had beat on him to support legislation he could not. He said he truly voted for legislation that he felt his constituents would support.
His statements against the health care bill were on target IMO, his vote was not needed to “move the mark” on health “reform.” OTOH, he also went out on a limb (“or I’m dumb”) on another issue related to big bidness in his district.
Depending on what is proposed, his vote on immigration will be telling. He is very popular in his district. He has a high number of Hispanic voters in a border area. But he is vulnerable and his R opponent will be very much to the right on immigration.
Most of us will be boycotting AZ. It is a big deal here.
We do have issues with undocumented workers and I’m surprised that AFL/CIO is not being more vocal.
There is an unorganized ‘trade’ occurring (or had been prior to the economic crash) where commercial construction contractors in the northern states were paying a fixed dollar per head for each undocumented worker that had specific trade skills.
These workers would then be paid at a significantly lower wage (50% was typical) than the union rate. Prior to the crash, there was increasing unemployment in some trade sectors due to this new ‘indentured servant’ trade.
It was the Blue Dogs who put the screws to us on Health Care.
Funny how Republics like Brewer have no interest in the employer side of the equation. I guess they figure that the undocumented are coming here for vacations, wearing colorful ponchos and sombreros, thus making it easy to tell they are illegal by the way they dress. Brewer must be proud that she finally secured her spot in the Bush Wing of Hell.
Being Republic dominated, Arizona is a Right to Work state. Unions there are weak.
All we progressives need to do is impress upon the undocumented that we are working towards their inclusion in the states (and who cares what really happens.. it may be better to dangle it in front of them for awhile) so that we will garner their votes for many generations to come.
They are pliable and easy to fool.. naive. Go Obama!
If so, things are about to get very, very interesting. Pass the popcorn.
Huh, that is all very interesting jaango.
So you’re saying Napolitano is in line not for this seat, but for the 3rd from now?
Even Tom Tancredo thinks the AZ law is too xenophobic
Same in FL. Lot of construction workers before the crash and there’s a continuing debate about the number of them who were undocumented. With developer greed what it is here I’m prone to put more of the onus on the contractors than the workers.
Loretta Sanchez is a Blue Dog but yet she was on MSNBC shows on Friday, making important points about this bill. Aren’t there other Blue Dogs who won’t go this way and really want immigration reform?
Yep, a lot of what is happening is the inevitable result of the “war on drugs.” Yet another reason to push for pot legalization.
I had mentioned the practice is/was taking place in the northern states …
Too bad Republics prefer bashing the brown people to solving the problems.
It’s all they have because the Rs haven’t had an idea of how to solve something in a looooooong time. I suspect that they really don’t want to “solve” anything – they like things just the way they are.
The wealthy citrus and cane growers and developers support and prop up the Rethugs and I would imagine are the largest beneficiaries of undocumented workers in the state, then demonize them for the benefit of the uninformed white sheeple.
My guess it that they aren’t demonizing them for the benefit of the sheeple as much as making sure that their employees work as cheaply as possible. The only thing the people that employ undocumented workers object to is laws that unfairly target the innocent employer’s company. Harassing people, that you can easily replace, so that they are always afraid is just good business. Keeps ‘em motivated and powerless.
Greg Palast has an interesting perspective on the new Arizona Immigration Law:
Behind the Arizona Immigration Law:
GOP Game to Swipe the November Election
(my bold)
If we do not do something, we will become this history again.
What is your position on immigration ( I have a sick grandchild so I don’t have the time to read your article today)
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Jane. Wish FDL would bring Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner (running in the primary against Lee Fisher to be the Dem nominee for U.S. Senate) to FDL for a Salon. Lee Fisher will be on the bus to “bomb bomb” Iran. Not Brunner. Committed to diplomacy and negotiations.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/43327
Brunner’s outreach person Deb Steele 614-562-2342
614-323-1703
or check out the Brunner website
http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/
Look at her endorsement list
http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/page/content/endorsements
Individuals
Caroline Kennedy
Gloria Steinem
Dolores Heurta
Ellie Smeal
Kim Gandy
Darcy Burner
Siobhan “Sam” Bennett
State Sen. Teresa Fedor
State Sen. Eric Kearney
State Rep. Matt Patten
State Rep. Kathleen Chandler
State Rep. Mike Foley State Rep. Lorraine Fende
Jane @25
Yup.
I found it also interesting in what is being suggested. Take, for example, Grijalva has ‘scored’ with his idea of an economic boycott of Arizona. As such, the biz community has kept quiet and the Chamber of Commerce could not have turned this around even if it had tried and which it didn’t at the State Capitol. Now, there are over 50,000 Hispanic small business owners and they are being hammered due to this economic recession, and that’s not going to be helping Obama in November and the Democrats, nationally, unless he steps into immigration, and done forcefully.
In the more conventional wisdom-type, Marcos Moulitas jumped off the prcipice and into the abyss for suggesting that Latinos are now forever wedded to the Democrats. Of course, Moulitas has intentionally forgotten or perhaps, doesn’t know of the Raza Unida Political Party and wharehoused in Crystal City, Texas and home to the primary American Japanese Internment Camp during WWII. These internees were transhipped out of the Latin America Region and intentionally segregated in Crystal City. And should you hear of the “grito de Crystal!” in the future, these Japanese Americans will not be forgotten and another political party has announced itself.
Jaango
When there is massive unemployment it’s not a good time to try to pass immigration bills. Doh!
“…or risk the defection of an important part of the Democratic base in the 2010 elections”
:-) Hmm… which part of the base hasn’t defected, the corrupt or the eternally gullible part?
Oh, and I sure don’t mean defected to the bloody red party…
Actually, now is the “best time” to address immigration reform given our economic recession.
But first, is in getting the “negotiators” on both sides of the political aisle to agree to determine the cap–increase or decrease, the number of naturalizations that can take place on an annual basis. Everything else is palaver among friends and political allies. And Rule Number One is not to piss-off your friends and antagonize your political allies. Having to thread this needle takes a tad of self-restraint in order to defend this Moral Mountain.
Jaango
Now, to the Jaango Poll.
Do you as a Fire Pup, want to increase or decrease the cap on the number of naturalizations that can take on an annual basis. Or should the Democrats avoid and not address immigration reform for this year?
Jaango
Give the illegal immigrants amnesty and then tax the hell out of them. Put those corporations who exist on the backs of illegal immigrants out of business.
Probably better then to tax the hell out of the corporations than the undocumented immigrants doncha think?
I recommend we solve the immigration problem by divesting all racists of their US citizenship and deport them to Antarctica.
Then we offer all the illegal immigrants US citizenship, open up the White House, and throw a big party for us and our new citizen friends.
I can live with both.
Of course, taxing the hell out of undocumented immigrants who have been given amnesty would most likely be totally unworkable as they would no longer be undocumented immigrants at that point and such a bill would probably be declared unconstitutional as bills of attainder
The real question revolves around what is the definition of “meaningful” or “comprehensive” reform. As long as Dems are dead set against fencing and patrolling the border and stopping the influx of additional illegals, nothing will be gained for the people of American. This idea that we can solve the enormous problems that already beset this country while at the same time increasing the labor pool and the demands on government is just ludicrous.
The DOP tries to walk a line between servicing their big business clients and mollifying the rank-and-file voters in their base. The Dems try to walk a fine line between courting future Hispanic voters and fucking the common working folks that make up their traditional base.
Before long, the vast majority of voters are likely to say “Fuck You” to both parties. And boy, will that be a happy day!
So everyone who opposes unlimited, world-wide immigration to the United States is a racist, is that it?
Nobody can oppose open borders for reasons that have to do with limited resources, fair treatment to citizens and those here legally, or just the idea that illegal should mean illegal, right?
Would that all-encompassing group of racists include remaining WWII survivors who saved us from being ruled by the two real master races, the Germans and the Japanese?
Are you in construction? That’s a pretty fair strawman you built there.
captivating community validators, engaging in symbolic gestures and blaming the GOP.</e
That has been the Administration's strategy, all right. And I am curious as to how the 'aptivating of community validators'is done. People who used to have finely tuned bullshitometers have gone all wimpy, glassy eyed and so inauthentic, I don't believe they even believe themselves.
Is this accomplished by threats? Promises? Money? Or what?
No, I’m not in construction, per se. But my Dad was, and I’ve completely remodeled my house and my parent’s former home (which is now a rental.) My argument is not a strawman. Do a little research.
And I notice you haven’t addressed the issue of whether or not American has the resources to be home and employer to everyone in the world who wants to come here.
Where do you perceive that folks here want “everyone in the world to come here?” whether the US has the resources for it or not (which we do not).
No one in any thread I’ve read have ever called for that so it is a pure strawman argument.
We need to reform our immigration process (and that includes things like the H1b used by tech companies to bring in lower wage foreign nationals rather than pay living wages to tech folks who are US citizens.)
Reforming the system and making some accommodations for those already here undocumented, whether they are from Latin America, Europe, Asia, or wherever does not mean a desire to have the US borders wide open.
So please try to offer a legitimate argument rather than a fantasy one.
If Luis Gutierrez actually has the clout to cause Hispanics to sit out the mid-terms I hope he does so. This would greatly increase the political power of a significant portion of the working class. Maybe organized labor (whats left of it) would learn an important lesson from the newcomers.
The situation in Arizona is sad and troubling. But I find it hilarious the Arizona Republicans are causing people to call for the Democrats to actually govern. I am confident that Obama will make promises (lies) to the Hispanic community regarding future (after the elections) immigration reform. I hope they don’t fall for it.
“The White House” (Pres Obama?) put the “screws on” the so-called progressives in the House as well as the blue dog Dems and succeeded! Aye, there’s the rub: not that Obama was able to bend those who did not want ANY public option but that he was able to persuade progressive Dems to betray their following! And betray Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson and the others did!
Progressives need to seek the failure, the dismemberment of the Democratic Party, if ever we are to have a dependable voice in our government. The Democratic Party must be made to lose elections, because when they won we got the end of Glass-Steagall, NAFTA, IMF destruction of Haiti, life sentences for pot, and militarism, wars, imperialism and now the absolutely worst president in our history, even worse than GWB, Obomba!
Immigration laws have not been enforced which is pretty much a red carpet for everybody in the world to come here illegally. The despicable rich elites and corporations have bribed our completely corrupt anti-democratic government to let all the illegals flow in to drive down wages, promote endless growth, divide and conquer political strategy, etc. All the immigrants and most Americans know that politicians are just providing Kabuki enforcement. So one is either for effective enforcement or one is for “open borders” because non-effective enforcement is the same thing. The 1986 amnesty promised enforcement but it turned out to be a huge lie. After the health care debacle, it is now obvious that our government is a wholly own subsidary of the corps/rich, so it can never be trusted to enforce immigration laws. Reforming the immigration system with our current corrupt political system has little chance. As a programmer, I can tell you that reforming the H-1B system has even less chance. The corps can pretty much easily buy every Repug and Demorat in Congress to stop that.
In the US in the 30s Americans with mexican/spanish heritage were rounded up and deported. They were too proud/embarrassed to make a big deal about it.
I’m an embedded systems engineer, since 1975. Hardware (digital, analog & RF) and Software. Voyageur I&II and Shuttle on the resume.
Out of work for 2 years almost now. I’ve seen the lower wage competition increasing for 30 years. I may be out of work in this field forever now.
Too bad, I brought quite a bit of innovation and problem solving to the table.
There is a massive technology transfer occurring, all of it out of the USA.
No, but what so many Dem leaders and so-called progressives want is a system with only sham measures which, in effect, assures that just about anyone who wants to come here bad enough can do so, and then have a chorus of people empathize, sympathize, and support their remaining here with “amnesty”.
Agree. We need to reform H1b visa program. However, you probably don’t agree with me that we need to drastically cut back legal (job competition) immigration as well and get rid of the that absurdly over-broad definiton of “family unification”.
But does it mean a desire to see the border shut down tight? Of course not! How are we going to get more potential future Democratic voters here if we don’t keep the southern door wide fucking open? Tell me: what is your definition of securing the border? If it’s not a heavily patrolled triple fence from Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico then you’re just blowing bullshit.
Illegal immigration has been described as a “flow” of immigrants. That’s because it is and like all liquid flows, if you want to contain the flow you build barriers — dams, levees, concrete flood control channels, viaducts, etc.
Until Dems are willing to advocate, vote for, and fully fund such a fence I’ll know they — and their supporters — just performing more Bullshit Ballet.
Librty –
Feel for you, man. Hope your situation improves. And completely agree about the brain drain and technology sell out.
“It’s all they have because the Rs haven’t had an idea of how to solve something in a looooooong time. I suspect that they really don’t want to “solve” anything – they like things just the way they are.”
Yes, but, in all honesty, isn’t this entire discussion premised on the idea that the D-Party isn’t interested in “solving” problems satisfactorily, either, but merely interested in making it look like they’re “solving” problems (healthcare, finance reform), while making nicey-nice with their chosen demographics.
So, for example, black people get Obama but have a 27% unemployment rate, and the D-Party writes a “stimulus plan” that’s more upper middle class tax cuts than anything else. And now, whatever they decide to do to make nice with hispanic voters.
Clearly, this was pre-figured in the 2008 primary election, focused almost entirely on identity politcs, while the whole effing country was falling apart. But the whole effing country is still falling apart, and the D-Party is merely trying to hide the facts.
Frankly, I’m tired of permitting them to “make nice,” while the whole effing country falls apart. When Bam runs on race against the racist Republicans in 2012 because he has nothing else to run on, I don’t think voters should swallow his swill.
BJ, you must be in the construction business since the wall-barrier you support would be the biggest construction project since the Great Wall in China. It didn’t work and your Great Wall Of America will not either and it will produce no real economic benefit and cost billions. You make some good points in your posts but this is just stupid.
Your statement about leaving the border wide open to insure more democrat voters shows that your outrage isn’t really directed at immigrants but liberals and they are the ones you want to exclude.