Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee Kent Conrad (D-ND) evidently won his battle and is hoping to begin budget markup on Wednesday or Thursday. But there are no plans to include reconciliation instructions — which means every bill in the Senate for the next year will require 60 votes to pass.
Democrats in the House had been pushing to avoid a vote on the budget completely. I guess they assumed that if they simply ignored the country’s problems, everyone else would forget about them too:
Whether to craft a budget has been a point of controversy among congressional Democrats, many of whom will go before the voters in midterm elections this fall. Many lawmakers, particularly in the House, would prefer not to cast a vote either for the big deficits that are forecast for the coming years or for the painful policy alternatives that would be required to narrow the budget gap.
Inexplicably, Democratic leadership have no plans to include budget reconciliation instructions in the budget. From The Hill:
Democratic leaders and the White House haven’t asked Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) to include reconciliation instructions in his budget resolution draft, Conrad told reporters Monday.
Because the Democrats included student loan reform and health care in the budget reconciliation instruction last year, it allowed them to pass both with 50 Senate votes. And since the budget reconciliation bill can’t be filibustered, it is a great tool that would allow Democrats to deal with a whole variety of potentially budget related issues over the course of the next year if Republican continue to their pattern of endless obstructionism.
Reconciliation could be used for many purposes, including (but are not limited to):
- improving health care
- fixing corporate tax loopholes
- job creation measures
- ending corporate welfare programs
- some forms of financial reform
For example “too big to fail” could probably be dealt with using reconciliation to create a new graduated tax on financial institutions based on size, market share, and/or leverage to make “too big to fail” unprofitable.
With Republicans claiming to have the votes they need to filibuster even debate on finance regulation, Democrats would be foolish to not leave themselves the option of using reconciliation for some form of finance regulations. If they include none, they won’t even have the threat of reconciliation to hold over them as a tool to break up obstruction
Reconciliation instructions could be included by the House, too. If they don’t, it will be a powerful affirmative statement by Congressional Democrats to their base that they have zero intention of trying to deliver on any of their many policy promise unless it is something Republicans want to do. It also makes a mockery of the notion that Democrats are actually angry with Republican obstructionism and abuse of the filibuster, because when they had the chance to get rid of the 60 vote barrier on important issues they didn’t use it.
Given the many potential uses for reconciliation, progressives should all pay very close attention to exactly what instructions — if any — are included in the budget. The earlier the effective date and broader the scope, the better. A potential reconciliation bill remains the only hope of any meaningful changes this year. Without reconciliation instructions, it will take the support of Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman and at least one Republican for anything to pass the Senate for the next year.





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Great post, thank you.
Ok, help me out here:
So far, we’ve been told by the Serious People that:
– Reconciliation is bad when it’s used to pass HCR with a public option
– Reconciliation is bad when it’s used to pass budgets, which is what it was expressly designed to do
– Reconciliation is GOOD when it’s used to ram through an HCR bill without a public option but with goodies for the health and insurance industries that are so rich that it’s causing them to continue their recently-enacted policy of giving far more to Democrats than to their historical allies in the GOP.
Have I got that right?
Oh, they will try like hell…
They just have no intention of succeeding.
If you would look at Democrats as the Blue Dog status quo corporatists they are, their actions would become a lot more comprehensible and predictable.
How many times have we heard that from Reid? How many times has he actually carried out that threat? Doesn’t he understand that bullies don’t back down unless there is an actual, credible threat of cost to them?
It’s amazing just how powerful fdl action and news have been in my life.
I may never vote D again. Not even for dog catcher.
Guess that meme about going hard after the public option separately was just a lie.
I’m feeble minded, that’s a given but to this feeble one It appears that the D’s in leadership have no intention of leading.
Is this a strategy, a trap they’re attempting to set for the minority? Oh boy, can’t wait to see how this works for them
Gee, you mean the Democrats are going to make it easier for them to claim that their hands are tied and that they have no alternative but to pass ridiculously corporate-friendly, America-unfriendly bills written by lobbyists and Republicans, even while leaning further and further to the right in cynical attempts to avoid the slings and arrows of the radical Right?
I’m shocked.
The very reason you’re arguing for it (Reconciliation could be used for many purposes) is exactly why Hill Democrats aren’t pushing for it this year. Their strategy is collecting money from conservative interests while collecting votes from progressive voters. Since Republican filibusters save them from having to choose sides, so Reconciliation is not their friend.
Where the fuck is Harry Reid in all this?
If there is any reason to strip this do-nothing idiot of his leadership position and send him packing then it’s this one. Without recon then the rethugliCANTs will gum the gears of government so bad that we will pine for the good old days with Bushie 43…
Looks like ol’ Harry is taking out his personal “Contract ON America” beating the batshit crazies on the right to the punch. Now that’s leadership we can believe in (snark snark)
Bingo! We have a winner!
There’s nothing inexplicable about the Democrats’ failure. Their purpose in our political ecology is to create the illusion of a party based on liberal values sympathetic to the needs of the middle class, the working class and the poor, without actually doing anything to embody those values or represent those segments of society. When you realize that, their actions are entirely explicable.
Haven’t we already had these ‘powerful affirmative statements’ that they have zero intention of trying to deliver on any of their many policy promises to us been made over and over again to date?
Of COURSE the Democrats have no intention of using budget reconciliation to do anything that we want done. And Joe Lieberman is merely the designated scapegoat or villain in current heavy rotation.
Let’s get passed the shock and denial phases and move at least into the anger before we can finally finish our grieving over the fact that the Democrats are screwing us, and then get on to “what to do about it”.
They’ll take our money in addition to our votes if we’re willing to give the money away for nothing, too -
Everything we were ever promised on the mythical “public option” was a lie, as was every excuse made to us.
Yay! The Corporate Stooge in Chief working hard for the good of Americans everywhere….
oh, and..
Rahm for Mayor of Chicago! He’ll make Al Capone look like an amateur!
The reasonable conclusion that could be drawn from this is that they don’t want to have the power to win those battles for the good of the American people because that is not who they serve.
Health Insurance Mandate has shown us there is no difference between the parties and the time to vote progressive irrespective of short term losses of power is now. Lesser of two evils is still evil and really they work together to serve the same master. The only thing they are really fighting over is who gets the most of the corporate payoff.
Conrad C. Elledge
Congrats. That’s progress.
Here are the members of the committee (D)
Kent Conrad ND
Patty Murray WA
Ron Wyden OR
Russ Feingold WI
Robert Byrd WV
Bill Nelson FL
Debbie Stabenaw MI
Ben Cardin MD
Bernie Sanders VT
Sheldon Whitehouse RI
Mark Warner VA
Jeff Merkley OR
Mark Begich AK
Perhaps some phone calls would help. At least a couple of them might listen.
sorta underscores all the calls of Kabuki! on Fin Reform, now don’t it ?
and two words for the We’ll Fix It Later ! crowd: Suck It !
Democrats acting like corprate cowardly puppets?
Nooooo surely you must be wrong, because that’s only that they’ve done every single time before.
Feingold, 202 224-5323
Sanders, 202 224-5141
Whitehouse, 202 224-2921
Our political system seems completely broken — by design. It seems all about paying lip-service to voters yet delivering very little to anyone other than their corporate masters. Few politicians (if any) will ever speak honestly or answer questions directly especially if they are posed by average Americans. When I ask someone a question, I expect a god damned answer to it (and not a bullshit one either). We have a bizarre amount of deference in this country to people who deserve none whether it is a politician or a CEO. People (primarily the media) bend over backwards to be “polite” even if it means getting spoonfed crap.
and then there’s the (((Katymine))) Tollfree Numbers for Congress:
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437
If we quit, they win without even having a voice to the contrary. Please at least Do Something.
That’s funny. Last time I called the W.H. the individual answering actually laughed when I stated why I was calling. They Laughed. (that I wanted to leave my thoughts about pending legislation)
“You Want To Do What ???”
Make the Dims pay in November. Vote Green or find a Socialist candidate. Until they are held accountable at the polls nothing changes.
(((Katymine)))
(((QuakerGirl)))
(((Kobe)))
et al
The corporate media elites are nothing more than courtesans. They have more in common with the sycophants at the court of Versailles than any semblance of legitimate journalists.
Ya think??? (not trying to be mean, but: bingo!). The media is corporate owned, so they are paid to be whores sucking up to their masters. Expect nothing from the rightwing media, but yes: pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
Expect nothing from this so-called “Democrat” government; they are NOT your friends, nor are they your mother’s Democratic party. They are all whores for the corporate overlords who run this once great nation, having been given their final sovereignty by the SCOTUS as “fixed” by the Bush Family crime syndicate.
All you need to do is take a gander a Joe’s ugly little smug mug on this post, and as they say: a photo’s worth a 1000 words. And Joe’s just saying a big ole “EFF you, I got mine. LOL”
That phone number is for Sheldon Whitehouse, Senator, RI, not Teh Whitehouse.
“What to do about it”(?).
That is the question, Seymour.
When Bush was President … it was shock after shock to the conscience and the soul of our nation.
With Obama as President … it is shock after shock to the conscience and soul of the nation.
Who could have imagined?
What to do about it?
This is America so we must politely wait until everyone, every last one of “us”, says (with shocked urgency), “Jeez, this is ALL a VERY SERIOUS mess, our nation finds itself all innocently caught up in and we REALLY must do something about it, next year … or, three years from now, at the very, most extreme latest”.
Until then, “we” are cordially invited and frequently admonished to continue voting for the lesser weevil, because, otherwise, “The greater weevils will win.”
Then, where would “we” be?
Let’s see, Rahm Emanuel will be Mayor of Chicago, Barack Obama will be following in Bill Clinton’s profitable footsteps, as will Hillary, those “too big to fail” and very “astute” Wall Street Thugs will be even more obscenely rewarded for destroying the nation’s economy … And President Palin will tell us that she talks with God every single day and that He and Jesus have convinced her that Iran is EVIL without ANY axis, whatever, and must be destroyed as our Christian Duty.
Of course, Obama could preempt all of this and declare war tomorrow.
But, Emanuel will be Mayor of Chicago, come hell, high-water, or the rapture.
America is ruled by sociopaths who only scrape and bow to psychopaths who tell them that there is no “law” except unbridled ambition, and the self-appointed elite are all too happy to embrace this “philosophy”.
What to do about it?
Consider the motto on our coinage: “In God We Trust”.
Perhaps we would be better served were it to read: “It’s Up To Us”.
(It always has been).
DW
More from Holy Joe LIEberman. There’s nothing as important to him as making Democrats who SUPPORTED him over Ned Lamont never forget that he lost his primary in Connecticut.
I wish I could say it was just the media or politicians but I want to revise my remark by adding “anyone who feels somehow privileged”. There seems to be an odd litmus test that certain people use as they decide who is worthy enough to ask them something.
It’s called the “Ruling Class.”
That’s a big one, Jon, or at least it should be. On the other hand, if you aren’t going to use a procedure for the public good*, and the opposition knows it, then there is no reason to push for it.
* health insurance welfare was not for the public good.
The Dems are doing EVERYTHING they can to make sure they get defeated on everything they try to do.. Seems like everything they touch the WANT it to collapse..
SPINELESS!!!!
Another blatant piece of evidence of what these Democrats are. They are CHOOSING to give this power to the Republicans. By CHOICE. That says it all.
Yet wonder where all those Democratic apologists are in threads like this. Always conspicously absent. Always.
Be interesting to hear what their excuse would be. “Oh the Democrats have to appear to be bi-partisan to win in November.” [Total BULLSHIT of course] “Oh it’s a strategy decision, to force Republicans to oppose popular legislation.” [More bullshit, since the results is NO LEGISLATION]
Oh how I would love to hear the excuses. The twists of logic of fact are funny enough when I read them on other issues. It would be downright belly busting funny in a thread like this.
Fuck THESE Democrats.
Until the Democratic Party represents your interests, you DO NOT owe them your vote simply because they’re “better than” the alternative. It’s your vote, vote for someone that represents your interests, not out of fear of the other guy. Please.
What do you suggest? I mean no disrespect, but am merely curious.
I have voted every time since ’72, written letters, made phone calls, went door to door, went to demonstrations, and sent a little money (Bernie Sanders only). Obama and this democtratic congress has been one of the most bitter fucking disappointments of my life.
My “doing something” plans now consist of sitting on my fat ass and watch this fascist system of government hopefully implode around me. I have no other answers.
The only answers I’m coming up with are scary ones. But it is becoming more clear every day that reforming the system through the conventional channels isn’t going to work because those channels have become too completely corrupted.
That leaves unconventional ways to reform. And all of those are not pretty. It would be a shame if they are necessary.
I’ll take this for $500, Alex! Talk about easy money!
You know OldFatGuy. A few years ago after a statewide general election the D’s and R’s awoke the next morning and said in unison “Oh SHit”
The general public did exactly what you’re saying and an Independent was elected Governor.
(and there are 3 other examples I’m aware of where a group of citizens with no political power changed the election – significantly)
If it “collapses” who suffers? It’s the working and middle class. The elites suffer nothing. Until the elites fear the working and middle class nothing changes. Unfortunately they have not been able to harness their greatest weapon and wield it effectively.
Great post, JW, thanks. Nice job of looking ahead to how this esoteric point will shape the debate. What happened, did a Democratic version of Frank Luntz tell Harry Reid that reconciliation is a dirty word? McConnell sure has taken that malicious myth-maker’s words to heart.
Word to the commenters, too. We’re catching on to their narrative-shaping tricks.
I’d like to caution against conflating myths with lies, though. “The sky is made of jello” is a lie. “We don’t need no stinking regulation” is a myth. The difference being, the latter offers a way of seeing and being in the world that then informs decisions and actions. Myths shape the world we latterly act in.
That’s why, I suspect, Cass Sunstein would favor them for “cognitive infiltration:” since attacks with myths strike us at the pre-cognitive level, they can quite literally change our minds without our awareness of getting jacked.
So, in that light, taking this kind of legislative myth-making as SOP, regarding the photo caption, I’d ask, When did Dems hand JL control?
According to that Jeff Cohen TRNN interview I keep citing, it began in the 80s, accelerated in the 00s, and is the central project of Obama’s BFFs in the effing Hamilton Project at Brookings: turning the Democratic Party into a leftish version of the GOP.
For example, what GS did was a lot of malicious financial myth-making. Myths shape the world (frame the debate, lay the foundation, etc.) for the subsequent jackings. Therefore, if we learn to bust the myths, and to develop more helpful visions of our way forward, we can very easily and naturally shape our own more perfect Union.
Or: Free your mind from malicious myths, your Democratic ass will follow.
1 party, 2 branches. We will get this ingrained into our consciousness at some point right?
A major reason for the disagreement is how to deal with Obama’s budget freeze. They are trying to avoid it altogether (Blue Dogs want to use it to screw the poor, as always. Others want to avoid giving Obama a black eye or get negative press).
Nobody even remembers that now. He didn’t even get a day of good press, and has thrown one more year down the drain.
What gives you the idea that Democrats would like to ‘break up obstruction’?
Obstruction is all the republicans have left, without republican obstruction democrats would be forced to govern our country and where would that lead?
It would leave democrats without plausible deniability, and plausible deniability is the cornerstone of American politics, or haven’t we learned anything in the last thirty years?
My alternatives are rather radical also. I attempted to print one here some time back and it was promptly editted out.
The first logical step would be publicly funded campaigns but that obviously is a dead horse.
The systemic ignorance of the American electorate is a problem far to big for my brain. The steady diet of infotainment, American Idol nonsense, and lack of real investigative reporting have taken their toll. People seem to have the attention span of a pissant.
Hahahaha +1
Pay the man, Shirley.
Joe, of the low IQ, needs to move to Iran. His ideas resemble the Ayatollah ideas more than the ideas set forward in our Constitution.
The Man is itching, I mean, begging you, to get all the hippies out in the street breaking shit, so he can use his new fangled crowd control goodies on you; i.e. the high sonic noise thingie, the thing that bakes your skin, the one that makes you throw up, etc. They get wood just thinking about it.
Um. You people do realize that if November goes as polling indicates, reconciliation instructions could end up favoring the Republicans, right? The Democrats may lose up to 14 seats, or as few as 3. Conservatively, the Senate may wind up at 54 Dem vs 46 Rep. Republicans will still have a harder time closing the 60 vote gap, but would easily make 50, w/ Blue Dog support.
I suggest, instead of whining about reconciliation, that everyone commenting support democrats in the upcoming Senatorial races. You can donate money to any campaign, even out of state, and/or volunteer your time– go knock on doors! Explain to friends, family, and neighbors why it is not only important to vote, but to vote democrat.
And while you’re at it, pressure your Senators to propose a public option. Call, email, write letters. Rinse and repeat! Be the change you seek!
We must remember that we now reside within the North American Combat Theater.
We are NorthCom’s responsibility
What about the National or State Guard. We don’t need no stinking guard
Its probably for your own safety that the recommendation you printed was immediately taken down. There are spooks that read these blogs to develop lists of potential problems. Posting recommendations involving “change” can be a deadly occupation. Be glad this site did it. They may have saved you the trouble of a hood and visit to an undisclosed location in Thailand, Egypt, or some island atoll in the pacific.
Sad but true. I don’t think they conceive us as citizens anymore, in their endless war-gaming, or even civilians. More like, potential enemy combatants or collateral damage.
That’s bad enough, but this is worse: the Pentagon has been firing on us, for decades, of course, but now, with a $4.7 billion budget and 27,000 “influence operators” (although not all of whom are engaged in the weapon of choice for jacking nations to war against their will: strategic domestic disinformation campaigns) and new-and-improved psy ops and other advanced weapons of mass deception.
“Preparing the battle space,” they call it. The DoD plans on assuming the role of GoD, embodied in the policy of full-spectrum dominance. IMO, our DoJ has already been subordinated. The MOTU can’t have their colleagues blowing holes in the myths that they spend so much time, blood, and treasure conjuring up to transmogrify our crimes of empire into virtues.
Eyes front, maggot! Look forward, not backward! Are you trying to get us all killed?! Only evil-doers ask questions of god’s favorite government. Why do you think he gave us the Bully Pulpit?
So, your recommendation is to continue supporting the party that has overtly told us to eat it and like it?
How about a better idea? Let the “lesser evil” win, and then we can play 11-dimensional chess as voters. We will tell the democratic party that ” we progressives have a 11-dimensional strategies. Part of that strategy is to elect Republicans. Just like part of Obama’s 11-dimenstional strategy was to pass a Republican agenda, if not actually solidify the Neocon agenda he inherited and then promptly defended, protected, and built upon. Just as Obama’s 11-dimensional strategy was unfathomable to us, the voters, so too will our 11-dimenstional strategy be unfathomable to you, the DNC politicians. But here’s a hint – your underlying goal of screwing us over will resemble our underlying goal of screwing you over to teach you to never take the Progressive vote for granted again.”
How does that suit you mintwitch? Make sure you let the DNC operatives that sent you here know this earth-shattering key to our Progressive 11-dimenstional voting strategy!
WOW!!!! Like I said FUNNY STUFF.
Although on a more serious note. It is amazing to me that you could post those two quotes in the same comment and not have your head explode. Must take some practice and some serious, serious, bong hits on the Kool-Aid pipe.
Years ago (during Ronnie’s first term) Minnesota and Massachusetts (and possibly a few other States also) sued Ronnie over Federalizing the State Guard. The constitution lays out that the Governors are the commanders of the State Militias.
At the time Ronnie had Minnesota Guard troops training in Georgia (think it was GA, not sure) in civil unrest drills. The Alabama Guard was training in Minnesota. The theory was that the Guard would be reluctant to fire upon their own neighbors, friends and family. (ya think?) So Ronnie decided to send them to other states, see if that would work.
Anyway We lost the court case.
I’ve heard that Wisconsin and another one or two states have filed suit attempting to regain control of their Guard units again.
WTF
You do know that the Dems have control of both chambers in Congress and the Whitehouse?
(I do realize that it’s difficult to determine that based on the last 15 months of legislation)
I’ll give mintwich a serious pass today. Its 4/20 and whoever that is must be just reliving some old glory days from 2008, when a Senator from Illinois was running for president, lamenting his mother’s death at the hands of the inaction of insurance companies, promising the expulsion of lobbyist control over washington, promising to protect pensions in bankruptcy chapter 11s, promising to create a green energy economy, promising to close gitmo, close the secret rendition prisons, promising to end torture, to reverse the opaque state spying on citizens, promising to dismantle the unitary executive and restore dignity to a Congress that would have oversight over matters. Today is 4/20 and people are probably taking a deep whiff and reliving those old lies.
REmember those days? I miss Senator Obama. He was a real hero of the people. There was a “righteous wind” at his back called AMERICAN VOTERS who were SICK OF CORPORATIST TYRANTS!
Sometime after January 20, 2009, Senator Obama was himself transmogrified, Manchurianized, and/or cloned and replaced. What is now in the oval office appears to be a Bush on arrogance-steroids with cosmetic changes done to mullify the low-information types.
That would be a new congress that can’t use these reconciliation instructions for this year.
Wha’s that phrase about expecting different results from the same action…?
section 513 of the Ronald W. Reagan National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005 (P.L. 108-375, Oct 28, 2004, 118 STAT. 1880)]
“I suggest, instead of whining about reconciliation, that everyone commenting support democrats in the upcoming Senatorial races. You can donate money to any campaign, even out of state, and/or volunteer your time– go knock on doors! Explain to friends, family, and neighbors why it is not only important to vote, but to vote democrat.”
It’s important to vote Democrat so that they can pass more fascist legislation while letting the President expand his power to create gulags filled with people who have effective life sentences who have never been tried and for those not lucky enough to end up in a gulag, there’s outright assassinations with the entire world being considered a battlefield. Yeah, let’s forget about reconciliation and let’s talk about gulags!
and they named it after the usurper, how fitting
well, I guess if the states need to, they can call up the unorganized ones
Amen. Thanks for that comment, otherwise, I’ll just commence banging my head against a brick wall because, ya know, it’ll feel so nice when I stop…
Thanks for fascinating comments today, one and all. And I relate to *most* (not all) of them, too.
sigh… so sad how this has all turned out. When Jerry Garcia sang about what “long strange trip it’s been,” I never thought we’d be where we are today. Talk about bitter…. (but not twisted)… ugh.
Knowbuddhau – your site was blocked by one of my filters. Just fyi, it contains this:
Spyware.Exploit.Misc.MD.therealnews.com
just fyi
Ah, I didn’t realize that I am apparently “the Man”– apparently, mixed-race lesbian socialist athiests are a tool of the oppressor these days. Good to know, thanks!
I’m pretty happy with bill that came out, excepting the abortion clause. The public option was a non-starter, this year, but I’ll continue to lobby my congress-people for it. The recent rule-making memorandum the DHHS is a great step, as was the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and about 20 other actions by the POTUS and Congress over the past 15 months. What is really tragic is the recent decision by SCOTUS granting corporations more leverage in the electoral process, through campaign contributions, but there you go. The logical next step is serious campaign finance reform.
I never imagined that Obama was Santa and would bring me everything I ever wanted for Christmas. I haven’t believed in Santa since I was six. What I voted and campaigned for (& what I got the current Exec and Leg, and what I have to work with moving forward), is creating a tiny crack in the US’s patriarchal, sexist, hetero-sexist, white-supremacist Christian hegemony. I guess if you are used to more privilege and entitlement than I am, your priorities might differ.
I don’t think anyone here was looking for more privilege and entitlement. I think they were looking for someone who, when he pledged to do all in his power to stop FISA would do so and not turn around and vote to extend it.
We were looking for someone who, when he said his health care reform bill needed a public option that he would in fact fight for it rather than turn around and cliam it wasn’t a big deal part of his plan.
We were looking for someone who when he said DADT and DOMA needed to go, would then fight for the repeal.
We were looking for someone who actually did what he said he was going to do.
And Dems could easily lose control of the Senate if 14 of the 18 Dem seats up this November pass to the GOP, which is totally possible. The post is discussing reconciliation instructions which would take effect *next* year. The budget currently in committee is for *next* year, when a bunch of new GOP Senators could be voting on bills then up.
Do you really believe that Kendrick Meek (D) is the same as Charlie Crist(R)? That it doesn’t matter which candidate Floridians choose? Kendrick Meek, is the first person in the history of Florida to get on the ballot for high office by having petitions signed. Most candidates just write a $10K check, but Meeks worked for it. Organization, drive, boots on the ground, old-fashioned populist campaigning. Isn’t that what everyone on FDL says they want?
How interesting. I’ve seen those before, for related sites, but not for TRNN. Don’t believe everything you read. I’m betting it’s bullshit.
We know WikiLeaks was targeted for attacks. Our tax dollars hard at work, filtering our news so we don’t have to?
Thanks for passing that along. Maybe TRNN itself would like to be apprised of it. Have you notified them? I visit that site several times a week, never had any such problems (albeit, I am a regularly tithing member, maybe that’s it).
I would love to see all current Dems defeated.
All of them. None will receive my vote this fall. None.
Kool-aid drinking tool
And apparently you were looking for someone who would do all that in 15 months. Reality check: the 2008 campaign took longer than that, remember?
But, I am not saying that folks here are looking for *more* privilege and entitlement; I’m saying that (the amorphous, general) you have so much that you lack perspective. Take a deep breath, relax, and remember that women’s suffrage took 145 years. Civil rights for black Americans are still not protected equally, after 234 years. 15 months, 4 years, 8 years… whatever. It takes as long as it takes, but it goes faster if you, individually & collectively, participate. Boots on the ground.
That’s your right and privilege. Good luck in your endeavors.
No one here that I’m aware of expected things to happen over night.
What we expected was for the man to follow through on his campaign promises rather than wasting everything going after non-existent Republican votes and conceding the positions before he even began negotiations.
He had a once in a lifetime opportunity to bring true, structural change to things in DC and has squandered it all by continually turning to the right and trashing the very folks who actually supported him, voted for him, got him the nomination, and got him elected
The post is about reconciliation instructions for next year, when the new Senators will be seated. The current year is covered under instructions included in the budget passed last year.
Budgets are committee’d and passed in advance of the year they take effect, generally, although the 2008 Congress left it on the docket for the 2009 Congress, as you may recall, which was a giant mess, but what does one expect of a party that lost on all fronts in that election?
Do YOU really believe there is any real substantive difference between a war-promoting, rule of law shirking, whistle-blower prosecuting, war-criminal protecting, finance-industry bail-out supporting, health insurance profit/extortion-enabling Obomba and George Bush?
See, that is what I am trying to point out: you feel trashed or betrayed or whatever, but we’re only 1/4 into Obama’s first term, and he is not the only person in the government. He is not, in fact, a dictator, able to bring about instant change by fiat.
I, on the other hand, have seen significant progress towards social justice and environmental protection, more in the last 15 months, than in the past 20 years. I now have redress against pay discrimination that was previously denied me. Very soon, 5 months or so, I will no longer be denied access to my life partner by most hospitals, and since we are not wealthy, the ones that aren’t included, like private hospitals, aren’t relevant. The river that runs by neighborhood, a Superfund site, is finally being cleaned up. The majority of my neighbors are immigrants and minorities, and they will now be able to afford health care because the poverty level requirement for Medicaid has been raised by a factor of four, which means that the working poor, the single largest uninsured group, can see a doctor. That’s essentially a public option for the most at-risk class of US citizens.
No one gets everything that they want, but most people get at least some of what they need. That’s progress, in my experience.
Since they are not going to pass any budget between now and November, reconciliation is NOT going to help Dems. BUT, if they did pass something with recon, they will then HAND the GOP some great tools next year when they take over the majorities. THEY will be able to pass their own ideas on each of those subjects using recon.
THAT is why Dems are not including it. They don’t want to open that possibility. Though they appear to be stupid, they’re not THAT stupid.
Good question.
Maybe she’ll play my game, since not a single soul has offered to yet.
Hey Mintwitch,
Let’s play a game. I’ll make a list of all the ways (in acts and deeds, not in words) that Obama is the same as or worse than W. You make a list of all the ways (acts and deeds, not words) that’s he’s better.
I’ll wager you my list is longer.
Wanna play?
My money’s on Old Guy
That’s right because we understand that the time frame for a new president entering office to accomplish things is extremely limited, mainly to the first year as from then on it is either “We can’t do that because of the upcoming mid-term elections” or “We can’t do that now because he has to worry about re-election.”
It amazes me that all the apologists forget just how much even a Bush could get done in the first year in office by pretending to have a mandate even though he was more selected than elected while Obama, who DID have a mandate is just so bloody powerless in all things.
OMG, OFG! I’m filing this under “overcoming absurdity with superior ridicule,” as in Thomas “Liberty for all, except the slaves I’m banging” Jefferson’s remarks as reported by Keith Olbermann and highlighted in today’s Early Morning Swim (talk about typing a long walk to a short link /s).
Your smugness just earned Rubio a donation.
He thanks you !
It’s time you play with the OldFatGuy now
Anyone betting on mintwitch is going to be demanding odds. Like 10 to 1.
Significant progress? I’m sorry I’m so cynical, but come on. For every saltine cracker you’ve been handed (see Eddie Murphy), you (we’ve) gotten twenty kicks in the teeth.
That ain’t significant progress; that’s a controlled, sadistic relationship.
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/pdcnhzgvlq–Starving-for-a-CrackerEddie-Murphy-Raw-Eddie-Murphy-
the more Obama’s around, the more he generates bi-partisan opposition. So, maybe he really is the post-partisan President.
to the 6th power
Opposition? You mean like: Don’t thro me in da bria patch Brer Fox! WhutEVA ya do! PLEASE! I jus hates dat bria patch!
Well, guess not. I’ve waited a fair amount of time. Guess she’s not interested.
Outa here again. Be well, all you firepups, be well.
WORD! Any glance at recent history, however cursory, will show that to be the MO, the shtick of the Democratic wing of the National Security Party: offer us crumbs as distractions for the never-ending bipartisan war on Mother Earth.
Dicking with Mother Nature, whether from the Left or Right, is the epitome of the Good Life, in the minds of our self-appointed MOTU.
Earlier today, I saw, on my screen, an RSS link to Democracy Now!’s headline: We Must Respect Mother Earth, Our Pachamama, while I was simultaneously enduring the freedom to watch promos for The Deadliest Catch, where grim men are lionized for using grim machines in grim conditions to rape the sea for stupid money. Et tu, Wall Street Democrats?
Obviating the absurdities inherent in the malicious myths, as OFG just did, IMO, is one of our best strategies for retaking controlling interest, shall we say, in the development of our shared governing narratives.
I’m not quite sure why you interpreted my comment as smugness, but if supporting Rubio is how you want to spend your money, that is also your right. I certainly didn’t send him my money, so it’s not on my conscience, despite your attempt at projection.
In re: OldFatGuy, I don’t respond to people who pull out the “Kool-Aid” defense, or any sort of ad Hominem argument, either in person, or on the internet. I wonder when that started? I don’t remember seeing or hearing it during the Bush years, but it seems to be all over the internet, now. In any case, I think it’s silly, and not in the fun way, like Flash Mobs or Talk Like a Pirate Day.
Deadliest Catch – partners in matricide.
Hey OldFatGuy
When asked for the facts (or acts), nothing but the acts … it just can’t be done.
Pardon the intrusion, but what TF would you call that: a non-responsive response? That’s no way to rebut an argument. If you’re not going to mount a defense, point goes to OFG by default, ATVL, and on the merits, IMO.
She could just employ the latest democratic tactic: lose big time and CALL it a win. Then she could throw a big celebration party and sign something with 12 pens to make it look extra impressive.
This has been really fun, kids, thanks! Next time I’m bored at work, and the Newsvine right-wing tin-hats are laying low, I’ll come here. Honestly, you all have the exact same schtick as they do, “Kool-Aid” comments and all. It’s really true that there isn’t any difference, but I had to see it to believe it, apparently. Hysterical!
just so you have the knowledge.
I’m a single parent.
Don’t have Health Care Insurance and can’t afford it.
The new HCR that you’re evidently proud of, doesn’t provide health insurance or health care for us, nor does it create a system that makes insurance or health care affordable for us, but it does mandate that I purchase something. It is very common that we go without health coverage and use home remedies.
The good news? I’m exempt from the tax for not purchasing.
Gosh, that’s a fine program.
Thanks so very much for your unwavering support of the Democratic Party.
oh one more thing. Thank you for supporting this Presidents use of indefinite detention and the extrajudicial punishment of US Citizens. Those are mighty fine things to be proud of.
want to know what I personally think of your support of this President? You are either a Fascist or a Fascist sympathizer
Agreed. Peasant Union Leader/President Evo Morales said much the same:
ROFLMAO
YW, the feeling’s mutual. BTW, when someone says, back away from the punchbowl, that’s not an ad hominem, that’s a slam on the content of your absurd assertions, with the polite offer of a face-saving way down from your high dudgeon.
Before your next visit, how ’bout coming up with evidence-based arguments to support your assertions? Until then, buhbye, thanks for playing.
Based on your comment, that means that you earn more than $51K/year. If you earn less than that, you qualify for Medicaid for yourself and your child under the bill, so your medical would be free.
FYI, there is no “tax for not purchasing”, but w/o insurance you would not qualify for a deduction, which is pretty small anyway. However, if you earn less than $89K, any insurance you care to purchase qualifies for Federal subsidies. The amount varies, depending on the size of your family, but it’s better than the current 7.5% deduction for uninsured medical expenses, currently in the tax code.
There is no “mandates” for consumers to purchase insurance, nor is there a penalty. The only mandates are towards insurance companies. There is no “stick” in HR 3590 for consumers, but there are “carrots.” This means that you have more choices than you had before. How is that a bad thing?
To reply to your other comment, I never said that I support every policy or piece of legislation, nor was Guantanamo Bay, et al, at issue in the original post (although I admit the conversation has wandered far afield). Where I disagree, I call, email, and write my representatives; circulate petitions; get off my a$$ and knock on doors.
I’ve repeatedly on this thread, and in this very reply, offered actual legislative and executive examples that have improved the lives of literally millions of Americans. The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act alone positively affects 154 million American, i.e. every single woman in the country. In response, I’ve been offered ad Hominem attacks, and called a Fascist- which is, frankly, ridiculous and kind of funny. Fascism is inherently racist, although not necessarily of the white-supremicist brand.
You might be a little calmer about HR 3590 if you turned off the television and sat down with Thomas.gov. The page count is daunting, but the language is fairly clear.
I honestly and sincerely don’t understand the vituperation flung at the current (or really, any) administration by people that I must assume are otherwise very reasonable and judicious. I can’t imagine the feeling of helplessness that leads to such words, but the best antidote to helplessness is to use your power. Voting is not enough, and venting on the Web, while entertaining, doesn’t accomplish the change you claim to seek.
And I guess this is really where we differ. I don’t feel helpless. I know exactly how many signatures I need to gather to get my congress-people to sponsor or support a bill & I don’t watch TV, I read the legislation. I’m aware of my power as a citizen, and the limits of that power. I’ve been working for social justice, environmental protection, &c, for 36 years. It’s easy to shout “Fascist” & “Kool-Aid” at anonymous strangers on the internet, but it doesn’t accomplish anything.
If you do nothing else, I hope you will at least educate yourself about what is actually included in HR 3590, so that you can best take advantage of the choices offered, to protect and to care for yourself and your family. I sincerely wish you the best.
I think she said there isn’t any Individual Mandate in the Health Insurance Reform Law?
And she’s asking me to educate myself?
Is This Rahm? I thought I recognized the 1 1/2 finger salute.
p.s. bad assumptions. Don’t subscribe to cable and watch very little TV but I do read. I have three children in the home and I’m glad the HCR POS is working so well for your neighbors. Fascism is racism? Good Luck convincing the Italians of that
Far afield indeed. So why WOULD the democrats throw away anything in their tool box to make the insurance profit protection law better for the poor slobs who get to be money launderers for the extortionist insurance companies whose livelihood it is to make sure health insurance does NOT equal healthcare? That was the topic.
Are you even aware that your President has signed an order that allows for a US Citizen to be Shot On Sight? That’s extrajudicial punishment. And anyone could be next. All it takes is a stroke of the President’s pen. No appeal.
He has not been convicted of a crime, don’t even know if he’s been charged and he has not been observed nor captured near a battle field.
Maybe you’re OK with that. I certainly am not. Every single Democrat needs to be defeated and replaced.