CBS polls the tea parties and finds they’re old, white, pissed off, likely to vote and don’t think they pay too many taxes.
They like Fox News, and they don’t like Ron Paul:

Weirdly, Ron Paul does better at more traditional GOP outings. He won the CPAC straw poll handily this year, and lost to Mitt Romney by only 1 vote (both garnered 24%) at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference last week. It’s clear that the tea parties are now very much comprised of Fox News loyalists, who strongly favor its leading lights.
And they don’t seem to realize that the first tea party was in December of 2007 in support of Ron Paul’s presidential bid:
Ron Paul’s tea party for dollars
December 16, 2007 06:33 PMB
Ron Paul supporters marched today through the snow from the State House to Faneuil Hall, then smashed the one-day fund-raising record for a Republican presidential candidate.
As of 7 p.m., the supporters said they had raked in $4.3 million, surpassing the record $4.2 million total they raised on Nov. 5.
Most of the 33,000 donations were made over the Internet in what the supporters called a “money bomb” timed to coincide with the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. The last fund-raising blitz, which took in 40,000 donations, was timed to coincide with Guy Fawkes Day, which commemorates a British mercenary who tried unsuccessfully to kill King James I on Nov. 5, 1605.
“This basically shows that Ron Paul is a viable candidate,” said Rachael McIntosh, a spokeswoman for what was dubbed Boston TeaParty07. “People are so engaged in this campaign because it’s coming from the grass-roots.”The supporters of the Texas congressman pick anniversaries of such historical events to highlight what they call the “Ron Paul Revolution.”
After the fall of Bush II, Fox News and the GOP realized they had a branding problem. The right wing infrastructure was mobilized, and money began flowing into organizations like David Koch’s Americans for Prosperity, the Coors’ Independence Institute, Freedomworks and other outfits who had astroturfed the Drill, Drill Drill campaign. I wrote a tea party timeline last year, but by the time Rick Santelli had his moment of outrage on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade “suggesting” that everyone get together and have a “Chicago Tea Party,” things were already well underway.
Fox News began covering the tea parties 24/7, and on April 15, they had their stars out at events around the country.
Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto and other Fox hosts were irate at the suggestion that Fox was doing anything other than covering these events as journalists. But as Gregg Levine said at the time, “”What Part of “FNC TAX DAY TEA PARTIES” Don’t You Understand?”
It was all happening at the same time as the AIG bonus scandal erupted, however, and people were discovering that this insane bank bailout which BEGAN with George Bush was now being used to pay out enormous sums to the people who orchestrated the crisis.
And what was the Democratic messaging at the time?
Obama Dials Down Wall Street Criticism
MARCH 24, 2009
The Obama administration, after months of criticizing Wall Street, has been scrambling to woo top bankers and financiers to back its latest bailout plan.
In recent days, in spite of public furor over huge bonuses paid at American International Group Inc., the administration has concluded that it needs the private sector to play a central role in fixing the economy. So over the weekend, the White House worked to tone down its Wall Street bashing and to win support from top bankers for the bailout plan announced Monday, which will rely on public-private investments to soak up toxic assets.
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When chief speechwriter Jon Favreau began working on the president’s late-February joint address to Congress, he included draft language criticizing Wall Street for helping trigger the economic downturn and stating that “Americans are justifiably angry” at the banks — sentiments the president had expressed many times before.
Yet when Messrs. Favreau and Axelrod presented the draft in the Oval Office, Mr. Obama surprised them by saying he wanted to interject some balance to help encourage the financial industry to lend again, one official said.
[]
Mr. Obama dictated to his aides new language for the speech. He tried not just to respond to the public fury, but to tamp it down, an adviser said. “I know how unpopular it is to be seen as helping the banks right now, especially when everyone is suffering in part from their bad decisions….I get it,” he ultimately said in his speech. But he added: “In a time of crisis, we cannot govern out of anger.”
The bankers were quite brazen about letting everyone know they were holding the White House hostage by refusing to participate in their PPIP program:
When administration officials began calling them to talk about the next phase of the bailout, the bankers turned the tables. They used the calls to lobby against the antibonus legislation, Wall Street executives say. Several big firms called Treasury and White House officials to urge a more reasonable approach, both sides say. The banks’ message: If you want our help to get credit flowing again to consumers and businesses, stop the rush to penalize our bonuses.
Now the PPIP program was little more than another Wall Street giveaway, so its value was dubious. But even if it had been vital, and the White House felt like they had to lay off Wall Sreet, it would’ve made sense to outsource the criticism to, say, the unions. Or MoveOn. Or other veal pen groups.
For years the unions had developed an extremely strong critique of Wall Street, private equity money and its predatory relationship to labor. Protesting outside of Henry Kravis’s mansion in Southhampton in 2007, a 25-city tour protesting the abuses of private equity firms in 2008, and a sophisticated campaign to use the clout of their pension funds to influence shareholders at various institutions.
To their credit, the unions were there tracking Wall Street salaries and they did demanded the removal of Ken Lewis from the top spot of Bank of America in March of 2009. And in August, under pressure from shareholders, Lewis did step down. But phone calls from the White House telling labor to dial it back were heeded, and so the field of anti-bank criticism was largely abandoned to the tea partiers and their incoherent message.
But while the tea parties were running around pretending that the GOP wasn’t the giant pack of corporatist whores that they are, the White House could have easily turned the veal pen loose on Jamie Dimon and Vikram Pandit and all the other Wall Street oligarchs who were making outrageous demands of the government. It’s completely insane that a year later, 46% of Americans want George Bush back. And that Fox News and the GOP were able to hijack the “small government, lower taxes” tea party messaging in broad daylight. Or that Sarah “bomb Iran” Palin is the darling of a group whose origins were devoted to supporting Ron Paul, who opposes just about everything she stands for. But it didn’t happen in a vacuum. With the Democrats cozying up to Wall Street and anxious to keep them writing checks and filling their campaign coffers, Fox and the GOP got to have it both ways. John Boehner is having drinks with Jamie Dimon and promising to protect the banks if the GOP takes control of Congress in the fall, and the public thinks they’ll be the more “fiscally responsible” of the two parties.
The CBS poll indicates that Fox News was entirely successful at hijacking the tea parties from the Paulites. Ron Paul wasn’t even allowed to speak at the 2008 Republican National Convention because he refused to endorse John McCain, so his supporters had their own convention in St. Paul. But after George Bush and the GOP so dirtied the brand by busting out the treasury and stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down, auctioning off public assets for pennies on the dollar and handing out bloated no-bid contracts to their friends while expanding government spending at an unprecedented level, Fox News successfully appropriated the Ron Paul brand for themselves and the GOP. They did it by 24/7 broadcasting in coordination with on-the-ground organizing, the likes of which we haven’t seen before. It was an incredibly successful rebranding effort.
The only real surprise is that there were enough people out there with total amnesia about the previous eight years who were thick enough to buy it. But in the absence of organizing and messaging on the left, it was the only game in town. And the people who got sucked into it fit the profile of “likely voters” in a midterm election. The failure to reach them with any coherent messaging on the left will herd them straight to the ballot box for the GOP in November.




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It’s not “insane”. The Dems control the House, the Senate & the Oval office, Obama ran & won on a message of “hope” and “Change”. Since elected, all he’s done is he’s run AWAY from “hope” and “Change”. Voters are NOT veering towards “Chauncey”, Cheney & Rove, we’re turning their backs on Obama as he turned his back on us. You missed this point with Coakley, and I think it’s obvious. Any discussion of Repubs is moot & disguises the disgust many Dems feel for this Administration. As the entire country moves left, Obama (man of the people) relies upon old trite political power ploys to effect right leaning policies. Shame on him, shame on any Democrat who votes to reelect any Democratic Senator after what the Senate & Obama
did to KILL meaningful HCR!
And what will be the result of that? You’ll usher in an era of absolute republican dominance of Congress and bring back in the very same people who created the health care crises in the first place. Not to mention the numerous other problems we got out of the Bush administration’s rule. Is that worth it in order to send a message to the Democratic party?
This is the inherent difference between Democrat and Republican citizenry. There are numerous Republicans who you can find all over the place who raged at the Republican party while they were in charge and will still today tell you that the Republican party doesn’t hold their best interests at heart. And yet, when it comes time to vote, they don’t stay home. They still show up. And unless there’s a Ron Paul type or an independent on the ballot they still vote Republican. They never even consider voting for a Democrat because they are firmly convinced that however bad the Republican party is, the Democratic party will be worse. That’s why they so easily buy into the anti-democrat rhetoric fox news is spilling.
But Democrats? We seem to not understand even after eight years under Bush and decades of Republican rule, that the Republican party being in control is really really REALLY bad for our country. As soon as the Democratic party disappoints us we’re willing to let the country slip back into their control just to punish those dang democrats for only doing a tenth of what we wanted them to do. Is that really a logical strategy?
If you have a better strategy than support democrats, please tell us! But don’t just say “don’t vote for democrats” and yearn for the good old days of George W. Bush and call that a strategy. That really is simply insane.
This post is about the tea party polling, which does not bear that out. When discussing this discrete group of people, they are very much in support of the GOP which has much higher favorables than the Democrats.
Now most probably started out that way, but the damage was done when those with little idealogical affinity got sucked into it because of poor messaging on the left. Which as you note is of little value if it isn’t backed up with action, but these people are motivated to show up and vote in November and they will be casting ballots for Republicans.
C-Span is showing “Tea Party Express III” meeting right now.
And actually practices some truth in advertising by displaying a note that the Tea Party Express was “founded by Republican consulting firm Russo Marsh & Rogers”
Anyone else see a trend here?
It seems like the less “outspokenly bat-shit crazy” they are, the less tea-partiers like them
Exactly 100% true.
Obama caused the tea party by running away from his promises. I’m sorry Jane I don’t share your reading of this.
Yes they support the GOP now, but how many would have ended up that way if Obama had been all that he promised?
Again, let me state clearly – this is NOT about Republicans. As it is we have a one party system (with 2 branches) that works solely to reward corporate interests for “supporting” THEM. I’m sick and tired of pretending that voting for Dems is the least of two evils, that it will return anything more than broken promises. I’m not trying to “punish” the Dems, I’m simply saying – if you run away from your campaign promises, I will vote to kick you out – PERIOD. Care to refresh me on “hope” and “change”? Tell me what Obama & this Congress have done that’s that’s so different from what “Chauncey”, Cheney & Rove did (that we dispised so much), and then we can talk.
Uh, what? These people are hardcore right-wing Palinites and Bush/Cheney Republicans who didn’t want to call themselves “Bush/Cheney Republicans” for pretty obvious reasons.
You can’t be serious.
There you go again…messin’ up the narrative with a buncha pesky facts.
How can 15 percent of the Tea Partiers say that they are “unsure” of what they think of George W. Bush? Where have they BEEN during the past ten years?
A majority of them really aren’t. They say they are because they think they’re supposed to.
Most of the tea party is just really really angry people.
They see big wall street, which like it or not is now way more tied to the Dems than the Repugs in our minds from the bailouts and TARP. But they see wall street going insane, they see their own finances doing horrible, and they see nothing they can do about it.
Now if Obama knew how to message worth a fucking damn, or if he had some real actual accomplishments, not fake shit like HCR to show this would be completely different.
Obama fucked up, and the backlash is the tea party.
What obvious reasons.
It has been proven over and over that the teabaggers are nothing more than duped Republicans and “Libertarians”, (Republicans that smoke pot), that the movement itself is entirely astroturf in nature and it was, in fact, begun to fund raise FOR Republicans. Their target list includes zero Republican seats and their kudos list includes just one “Democrat”. Like the religious wingnuts and the anti abortion fanatics, this is just another group that the Republicans has whipped into a frenzy in the name of raising money.
The news that the teabaggers are composed of, founded by and funded by Republicans is about as surprising as discovering that jello is jiggly.
Except the teabaggers aren’t disillusioned progressives, they are overwhelmingly pissed of racists. Look, I’m just as upset as you are about Orahma running away from the progressives that elected him but to blame him for the teabaggers is going too far.
That’s a mistake I feel.
Yes, that’s how the tea party started. But if it was just that then the tea party would have fizzled out.
What they did was have the right message at the right time. There were a ton of angry and afraid people, which is not so rediculous considering the state the country is in.
They had a message that worked for angry people from the fly over states. And OBama had jack and shit to counter it with.
So yes, mostly it’s all bullshit, but don’t make the mistake of saying all of them are. People are desperate for something, ANYTHING right now.
and the left has always been horrid at delivering.
No they’re not, but a good amount of them aren’t Palinite GOPers either
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/41175
I also wish I could find the link but there was that post on the Seminal about the guy walking for the tea party. He wasn’t some Palinite GOP looney.
A lot of them are, but don’t think it’s all. The ones that aren’t are the ones we need to win back.
There are tea parties and tea parties. The ‘Contract from America’ blands anything of any use, such as the audit of the federal reserve, with specifics, is watered down to ‘auditing all federal agencies’ which would even cover Mel “Bank of America’ Watts’ version of the audit that further RESTRICTS audits in the name of providing an audit. They can do this by having ‘organizational’ events and picking speakers more likely to appeal to the sort of followers they can ‘channel’ to their views. For example, the ‘Tea Party convention’ (a PAC launch) invited Sarah, not Ron Paul. The supporters of those two have some different ideas of course. The ‘contract FROM America’ was announced there and any useful idea added later was blurred beyond usefulness.
However, there are those of us who go to speak to eachother (and in DC Ron Paul will be speaking, so there is ONE speaker at least we agree on.)
I’m passing out flyers to support Ron Paul’s new HR 4995 to end the health insurance purchase mandate. The entire text of the act is:
” To restore the American people’s freedom to choose the health insurance that best meets their individual needs by repealing the mandate that all Americans obtain government-approved health insurance.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “End the Mandate Act of 2010.”
SEC. 2. REPEAL OF INDIVIDUAL AND EMPLOYER MANDATES ENACTED BY PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
(a) PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.-Effective as of the enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, subtitle F of title I of such Act, as amended by title X of such Act, is hereby repealed.
(b) HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION RECONCILIATION ACT OF 2010.-Effective as of the enactment of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, sections 1002 and 1003 of such Act are hereby repealed. “
The last time the country experienced unemployment rates this high was in 1938. Wouldn’t we expect some civil unrest, just a bit. Or is it always about racism. Why aren’t there progressive protests. The rich are getting fabulously wealthy while most of the country is experiencing the 1930s. But that’s apparently cool with progressives.
That’s how it started and that’s overwhelmingly what it still is. White, older and conservative. Your opinion about what the tea party is about doesn’t square with consistent polling to the contrary. Sorry, I respect your opinion but not when you refute scientific polling that finds the opposite is true.
OK but the conservative take is this?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41
WTF?
Fox News is a political organization that should be regulated in the same way 527 groups are regulated.
Actually, as Jane notes above, the “tea party” began with Ron Paul, and if I’m not mistaken, 12/07 was before the election. That Obama has been awful on the economy (including bank bailout crap, obviously) has only served to inflame and exacerbate the tea party loyalists – especially given the gas-on-the-fire, 24-hour drumbeat spewing out of Fox News and talk radio. As regards domestic policy (in particular) seizing the narrative and backing it up with solid policy has not been Obama’s strong suit. Hence, we can expect some Demo losses come November, very probably more than would normally be the case in an off-year election.
That tea partiers are acting out is undeniable. That Obama could have drained some of the juice out of their movement is also beyond dispute. At least that’s how I see it.
Tea and tarts. No, that’s not it. Tea and strumpets. No… Crumpets, crumpets, that’s it, tea and crumpets.
As Nephyo suggests, Repubs will vote Repub., period. Dems should be more concerned that I’ve raised money for Dems, walked for them, voted for them and although I couldn’t vote for Brown I contributed to his campaign. And, I will travel to Nevada (as promised), campaign & contribute against Reid. In CA I will not walk or fundraise for ANY Dem., & I will vote to oust Boxer and berate her for her HCR performance at every opportunity. Her abandonment of women’s issues that’s she’s made her name on is shameful!
Media’s making a big deal of the “Tea Party” to shame ALL those who are fed up with both parties from looking for an alternative. They’re whackos, aren’t they? Isn’t it curious that we hear NO reasoned, rational discussion on our NEED for a 3rd party, a peoples party?
Progressives must be the wimpiest liberals since, god knows when. All they do is make apologies, and call racism on anything that moves.
Cheap beer and skanks?
And this is what bothers me. If we are all so badly off – and by the reports of the right-wing, we’re deep in the 1930′s again – why aren’t we all pulling together the way folks did in the 1930′s? There were people who didn’t like FDR: heck, my great-grandmother wouldn’t lick a stamp with Roosevelt’s picture on it long after he left office. But that was the extent of the protest. No one threatened anyone’s lives. No one stamped their feet like four year olds. Everyone pulled together and worked to solve the problem. And the solutions weren’t wonderful – it’s said that FDR just kept trying new things until he found something that worked. Around here in the 2010′s, that’s tantamount to blasphemy and lack of direction.
The biggest racism taking place in the country today is the utter economic devastation of minority communities. If the urge to call out racism is strong, maybe focus on that issue a bit.
There’s plenty of reasoned, rational talk about a 3rd party but no attempts to put it into action. The Greens have the name recognition but I’ve yet to hear or read a spokesperson that could articulate anything more than broad ideological soundbites.
My question is, why are we helping them to rehabilitate their image by calling them “tea parties”? They don’t deserve the dignified title, they deserve only scorn.
You must be a boy. I’m ashamed for my gender.
Right…just like the Opinions pools that say more Americans go to church than the amount of people all the churches in America could in actuality hold.
you can’t take wht the opinion polls say verbatim. The questions they ask always slant it in some direction. ALWAYS.
And even if it is true, that 66% of them are die hard Palinites, that 34% is still worth reaching out to. they’re there because they need somethign to latch onto and even if they were so inclined there’s nothing close to a lefty equivelent.
Well based on this from the NY Times story on the polling pretty much does paint a picture that says racism:
Of course, it’s ALWAYS bad when “those people” are given any support, right?
What would you like to call them. Scrotum suckers.
The greens also don’t have anything close to a consistent set of stances on the issues.
Careful what you wish for, war gives societies purpose and direction.
Wait, I thought the first tea party was in 1773 in response to a tax cut given to a big multinational corporation…
Hey SD, ya see where Charlie blinked and veto’d SB6?
You are correct, by Tea-party I should have been more clear with “the tea party of today”
That’s it. That’s your threshold for calling someone a racist. Someone who’s lumped in with a 25% vs 11% differential on a poll.
The tea baggers are old Southern white people who don’t want to pay taxes because they think it will help people of color. Simple as that.
I make a living, (or did when I was employed), in scientific research sampling. I’m aware of the weaknesses of polling. I’m not going to get into a philosophical debate with you. You think Orahma is largely responsible for the continuing influence of the teabaggers and I disagreed, (for the most part), because the group consistently polls as white, conservative and racist. I’m leaving it at that. peace. :-)
Just a regular joke. It won’t hurt you, I promise. And is the term really any more derogatory than “tea partier,” as applied in the current context?
The number that jumped out at me was:
34% are unsure what they think of Glenn Beck.
The real danger IMO in the Tea Party movement is the lunatic fringe. They are the ones looking for a reason to do really awful things and the baggers are giving them license to do it….they now have a “cause” which justifies their actions.
Obama didn’t cause the tea party, but these DLC ConservaDems certainly ensure that the left can’t harness all that anger and energy. If it weren’t for Democrats undermining real progressive populists, we would have a shot at channeling all that energy into a positive force for good – instead the right has free reign. It’s a scary time.
I don’t think he blinked. I’m waitin’ for the announcement that he’ll run as an Indy, and he knows he’ll lose. One thing about my Rethug boss, he still has a lot of sources in Tallahassee. Dude got a personal email from Jeb this mornin’. Crist’s wife wants out of Tallahassee yesterday. Word is he’s lookin’ for a gig in deecee in the administration.
No I call them racist for showing a “portrait” of Obama with a black background and just the eyes visible, I call somebody a racist for photoshopping him as a witch doctor, I call them racist for photoshopping him as a pimp and his wife as a prostitute, I call them racist for singing “Barack the Magic Negro”, I call them racist for shouting epithets at and spitting on black congresspersons, I call them racists for carrying signs that call him and other people N******s,….do I really need to go on? Climb off of your limb before I finish sawing it off behind you.
Yes, it’s enough for me, when taken with the total poll responses.
So apparently you and I are fated to disagree that a bunch of folks who have theirs are complaining about those less fortunate getting any help.
Yes, very good point. Because the Dems have turned into a technocratic, soulless neoliberal party w/no idea how to govern or inspire, you have a vacuum, and in comes the reich wing. Plus, Obummer is the epitome of a technocratic yuppie with no clue how to appeal to the working class. Back in the day, militant leftist appealed to the working class because they believed in working class concerns. Obummer doesn’t give a crap.
Remember, when it comes to economics, there are THREE, not two, political positions. The Tea Party folk are in the Laissez Faire camp. Obama and his administration are in the NeoLiberal camp. Those of us on the Left are in the Progressive-Populist camp. (There is of course a fourth camp, the Socialist camp, but it doesn’t have much power in U.S. politics.)
My goal is not to keep the NeoLiberal camp in control of government vs. the Laissez Faire camp; my goal is to get the Progressive-Populist camp in control. Why? Because both Laissez Faire and NeoLiberal have the same result, powerful corporations doing what they will.
So I’m not interested in the short term of Democrats winning. I’m interested in moving the Democratic Party from being controlled by NeoLiberals to being controlled by Progressive-Populists. This means two things, movement politics and denying the Democratic Party my support when it is supporting NeoLiberals. As long as the Party can count on my support because the Laissez Faire GOP is worse than the NeoLiberal Democrats, we will continue to have Corporations running things instead of the People.
WTF??? I’m in agreement with fully one third of the teabaggers? Going to drown myself now….
I agree that he’s likely now to run as an indy. Which leads me to wonder who he’d caucus with if he won. Can’t you see Crist and Rubio’s bud Demented Demint together in the Senate?
Edit: I think he did blink as my understanding is he was originally going to sign the bill but then got caught in the deluge.
Yay, Margaret !
And you’ve counted how many of these partiers are the real bigots as such. All 40 million of them as the “polls” indicate.
Tea Party Patriots are for reason, accountability, and limited government.
The Patriots have no leaders, talking heads, or anointed pundits.
The movement speaks for itself.
Only Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano fully express our values.
The keep government from being involved in medicare crowd can hardly be blamed for not understanding that massive spending on the military and finical bailouts, as well as their non-government assisted medicare, are the places where most of their tax dollars disappear. What they perhaps imagine is that the Rs controlling the Tea Party platform have intentions of cutting anything that might reduced overall spending in any areas except possibly environmental and workplace protections.
Tea Party is the new face of Republican fringe status quo. Never bright but always right.
Where I might differ a bit is in the question as to whether Ds could have diffused this without giving up on their willingness to protect the TBTF and by keeping other military reduction promises as well. Had the Ds done this then they might have weakened the libertarian opposition but it would also have increased the FIRE and military spending lobbyist contributions to the Rs. The R fringe would still be in the same place, motivated by those they are against. Changing the label doesn’t change the potential of the ultra-right to be swayed into supporting those they oppose.
That’s EXACTLY the response Repubs & Dems are working hard to get us to feel toward ALL 3rd parties!
There is large populist anger in the country. The teabaggers are not representative of that anger but they are part of it. The teabaggers are astroturfing grafted on to the extreme right end of it. It has been a Republican goal from the get-go to co-opt the teabaggers and the MSM has actively abetted them in that by concentrating their coverage on them. While the Republicans might wish to use the teabaggers as a hook into the larger populist resentments, I don’t think they can. Just as I don’t think the Democrats can either. Both parties are far too corporatist in their orientation. But of course the Republicans don’t need to. The way 2010 is shaping up lots of progressives and independents are going to stay home and some independents will vote Republican as a protest vote. What the teabaggers represent in all this is an energized 20% who will vote. In other words, the teabaggers are an effective way for the Republicans to control their base. The question is can they direct and control them until November.
Look, a massive jobs program targeted at working class Americans would be very popular. If, of course, it was presented in an effective manner. Point is, the Democratic party is not and never has been a party of the working class. It is a big business party. So, you will never get them to do anything to help real people. Hence, the need to kneecap the Dems by building a third party movement on the left in order to deny them the votes they need to win. This they will surely listen to. Any other strategy will fail.
No you are misrepresenting my argument a little.
Obama is not the cause of the continuing influence fo the Tea party.
Obama IS the cause of the tea party getting so big and popular in the first place. A combination of horrid messaging and betrayal of populist ideas.
I hope that clarifies my position.
He’s got until the 30th to announce a change. The pollsters are gonna be busy over the next 2 weeks. If he doesn’t switch I’ve got until mid-July to register as R to throw a vote his way against Rubio in the primary. I don’t think Meeks can beat Rubio. This veto shows a clear break with Jeb.
From the St Pete Times
“Crist, a Republican, has been inundated with messages about the bill in recent weeks, receiving more than 109,000. Though about 49,000 were still unread, almost 58,000 of the messages that had been logged were against the bill.”
As Obama is a DLC centrist Dem I don’t see the distinction you’re trying to make.
ROFLMAO
Me likee.
Dude! (or Dudette) We’re talking about people who shout slurs at and SPIT on people! We’re talking about people who come armed to political meetings. We’re talking about people who CHEER when their leaders or even elected officials glibly discuss revolution. Believe me, I’m not so weak minded that I go along lemming like with what the major parties WANT me to believe. Do you honestly have so little respect for me that you think I’m as malleable as all that?
Sorry, I guess the
threw me off….My bad
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023348.php#more
“The bottom line seem inescapable: Tea Party activists have no idea what they’re talking about. Their sincerity notwithstanding, this is a confused group of misled people.”
Jane, the Tea Party itself is a mere blip on the political radar that by November will spiral off the screen. Your point that Fox and the Repubs co-opted a tiny “movement” (for whatever the hell that’s worth) for political ends is absolutely something that should concern Obama and the Dems. The right-wing has an uncanny knack for conflating non-issues into life and death situations, while simultaneously suppressing the essential issues to two paragraphs on page A19 of the Post or Times.
I’d prefer a progressive agenda out of this White House, but I don’t see any type of agenda at all. Seems Obama feels the need to be some kind of enabler, trying to promote some squishy moderate compromise. Rahm’s “math” must be telling Obama the country wants a “bipartisan” leader and so far he’s buying into that. Though it’s painfully clear bipartisanship (at least in the current climate) is a pipedream. If the administration could get it’s messaging right, they could pound the Republicans’ hypocrisy into permanent minority status.
I’m still waiting for Obama to play hardball.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“The failure to reach them with any coherent messaging on the left will herd them straight to the ballot box for the GOP in November.”
Are you certain about that, Sister Hamsher? Your implication is that the Ron Paulites are some additional political force outside of what the fascists were able to muster to the polls in 2008 instead of a group of fringe lunatics that march to the isolationist, racist tune of the America Firsters and can be counted on to vote Republican when they are motivated to vote. What about the possibility that the fascists have shot their wad, that the only way they can win on a national scale is to supress and demoralize the non-fascist vote and mobile their base of usual suspects and useful idiots?
If you are saying that ObamaRahma have tactically kept the fascists in the game to this point and still refuse to mobilze their base against the “enemy” on the right, then I agree with you but I think that the corporate fascist bosses are in the process of turning their troops out against themselves and have set up the possibility that they may, in fact, mobilize the Democratic base all by themselves to the surprise and, I think horror, of Rahm Emmanuel.
It’s a given that Obama must “succeed” at sumpthin by November…either jobs, stock market, unemployment, the wars etc and weather the phony storm against the healthcare bill. But at this point, ObamaRahma and the Democratic Party are positioned to survive with their majorities intact this November and if the fascists continue their open warfare on the American political system, we might even see the Democratic base kick some ass if they are given a good reason.
In any case the original Ron Paul Teaparty followers were and are a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporate oligarchy, they represented not a single additional vote from what was their traditional base and the only way they can strengthen the conservative movement is if the progressive grassroots sits on its hands this November and snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, AND SHOOT AT THE RIGHT TARGETS FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!
Obummer will never do what’s right because he essentially a right winger. Or at least, non-ideological. Which is worse.
As is often the case, I think Digby got it about right in her analysis of this poll.
Tea Party Patriots are for reason, accountability, and limited government.
You left out “cross burnings”.
becca asks a good question about why aren’t progressives marching and rallying about the economy and such, like the tea party… and then states that the current state of affairs must be “cool” with progressives because we aren’t marching.
Well there’s a point, but I don’t think progressives are “cool” with the way things are, but I accept a lack of leadership (pointing a finger at myself, too) in terms of organizing. But there have been ongoing protests by progressives for years that most often get little to no coverage by the media, so perhaps becca is unaware of that. For ex, there were protests across the country on March 20 to protest the beginning of the endless War in Iraq, plus protesting the military-industrial complex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_20,_2010_anti-war_protest
But good luck searching out much that reports on the different rallies held across the nation. The rightwing media simply doesn’t report on those, plus that day was devoted to the tea party protests at the Capital complete with racist slogans shouted at minority congressmen, spitting and all the rest. So much more FUN!!!! for everyone to focus on that and completely ignore the anti-war rally a few blocks away at the White House.
Speaking for myself, I’m willing to march in rallies, and I continue to do so to this day. But most of the time, you’re not going see or hear about the rallies I attend (except *maybe* on the local news) because the corporate owned media isn’t interested in putting forward a progressive point of view and granting it legitimacy.
So, yes, the Tea Party looks like they have loads of energy and commitment, and no doubt they do, but they get rightwing Koch family foundation funding, plus plenty of support and funding from Pirate Murdoch and Fake “Nooz” etc. Lefties cannot compete with that.
But we can try. Progressives should have more feet on the ground protesting, but the reality is that we probably wouldn’t get much coverage. Still worth the time to try.
And I believe that most progressives are very concerned about the present state of the economy, although it is true that *some* Dems seem to agree with BHO no matter what he does. I can’t do much about that.
And finally, I also agree that, like Bush after 9/11, BHO had the perfect opportunity to really speak to ALL Americans and talk to them truthfully and genuinely about our current predicament. But he didn’t, and he immediately renigged on almost every single element of his campagin platform and turned into Bush II.
The tea partiers began protesting BHO long before BHO revealed his true nature, and those same tea partiers never ever said a word about Bush. So I have may reservations about the tea party protests. It’s my opinion, but I don’t see them as all that concerned about anyone except Number one.
I would prefer to see protests that focus on the plight of our country as a whole, and focus on the real issue, which is the complete corporate takeover of our government. Hurling out racial epithets at the POTUS is a waste of breath.
Seriously? You think Fox News is going to abandon the heavy investment it already has in them? Right before an election?
Yeah no I understand how it could be confusing.
But it is something I think worth noting. If Obama had been the man we’d all voted for the Tea party never coalesces into what it is now. It just remains a novelty for the Libertarian ron Paul types.
Obama’s betrayal turns it into what it is now.
Once it reached this tho Obama is not responsible for what it does or acts or its influence. It’s become its own monster.
Obama is Like Dr Frankenstein in that sense.
I think our disagreement is a matter of degree rather than substance. :-)
Yes, my point is that Fox (and the Rs) will use the Tea Party to send a message through November ’10. But the Tea Party’s numbers are sooooo small, and its members sooooo confused, they don’t really constitute a “movement.” But that doesn’t stop Fox from marketing that way.
After November, my guess is that the tea partiers go the way of the dodo. And the swift-boaters return. Just in time for 2012.
Digby, like most of the “progressive” blogs rallying for Obama, is throwing out red meat to buff up her traffic. It’s lazy. She’s better than that. The administration is unequivocally pursuing an economic policy to reward the haves at the expense of the have nots. Used to be a time when Digby would call that out.
There’s no doubt that this represents the same cranky conservative bunch who get their dander up every time Democrats get into power.
The question is — how many got pulled into it who otherwise wouldn’t because of the message FAIL on the left? These people may never be “liberals” by any stretch of the imagination. But they never heard another side. The completely irrational messaging of the tea parties should have been met with a skepticism in the media that it never had to face because nobody was blasting it in an organized way from the left.
FOX manage to use these tactics to take advantage of the messaging gap on the left, and rehabilitate a wholly discredited GOP. And they’re going to keep doing it.
Neoliberalism, Wiki
I think that’s exactly right. It’s not just the message that failed though. Some of the posters here are exactly right to be upset with Obama, as you well know. I just don’t feel like the upset from the left contributes significantly to the numbers or the vehemence of the teabaggers.
EXACTLY my point.
The overwhelming stench of failure and hypocrisy are forcing those people who would otherwise be reasonable but are pissed off right into the hands of the tea party. There’s just no where else for them to turn to.
Obama is Dr. Frankenstein, and the Tea party is his monster.
“And what will be the result of that? You’ll usher in an era of absolute republican dominance of Congress”
Nonsense. The Congress is dominated by the Oligarchy, regardless of which corporate party has the majority. You can’t scare people with Republicans any more. Not after they have seen Obama and the Democratic super majority in action.
I agree with you. The Tea Party is a totally “invented” organization created largely by the right wing Rs. I suspect that some who are not so loony are having second thoughts about it now. The left didn’t cause it and the members have no idea what they are doing or where they are going with this. They see about an inch down the road.
I agree with more of Teapartyers dissatisfaction than I do with Obama’s(& Congress’) accomplishments. No question, if a smart enough pollster (Frank Luntz) found me, I’d be counted.
As Brad DeLong noted several days ago one of Obama’s stategies for meeting this Fox problem was to:
But, this strategy has failed because:
see the Rasmussen link above @20
follow the other link labeled political class.
A tea party spokesman from Memphis was just on CNN talking about ending the IRS in one side of his mouth, and “avoiding radicalism” on the other. His idea of limiting government was cutting the paychecks of government cooks, but he didn’t even mention the huge military machine and the mega defense contracts.
These tea party people don’t have any idea politically how bad the problems are, and how deep the frauds in Congress really are. If they don’t change their tune, I’m sure more sensible and honest people are going to leave the current manifestation of the Tea Party movement, and join some other movement if it comes around. I doubt Ron Paul will stay with this ungrateful bunch.
I have to agree with you.
I share more of the Tea party’s angst than I agree with Obama’s agenda.
that’s why I don’t think you can just say all tea party members are right wing loons.
Just curious–what advice would you give to a battered spouse?
Maybe, next time the Rethugs are in power, we should use our energies in some better way than in preparing to elect, i.e., enabling, our next abuser?
You know what the definition of insanity is, don’t you?
Why do they want Rethugs when they’ve already got Bush III in the Whitehouse? They really are pitifully stupid as well as being racist, bigots, and old, fat, prescription drug and FOX addled cretins.
AND THE DISTORTION GOEZ ON AND ON AND….
Norske, Norske, Norske…
I know that it would make it so much easier for you if Ron Paul fit into the nice little facist GOP mold that you have created for him…but he does not. That isnt to say that I think he is a better choice for the presidency than Obama, or even another 3rd party candidate, but standard GOP fare Paul is not. Any cursory examination of his policies and views would tell you that, but either you willfully ignore those facts or are simply unwilling to look for yourself.
AND THE DISTORTION GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Strumpets and crumpets? ;)
This is insane. Everyone has so quickly forgotten the 2000 election? Anyone remember the Bush era? It was horrific. Even for progressives it has gone down the memory hole. No democrat is that bad.
Oh shit. Margaret is my new hero.
This is not a 3rd party. It’s a Fox News idealized movement that was raped away from it’s roots. When you have Sarah Palin speak at your rallies and commend you, you are officially a Republican movement. She is the face of the GOP. To associate with her is to pick a side in the two party struggle.
Calling the tea party a viable 3rd party, or even a 3rd party period, is nonsense. It’s not a political movement. It’s a group of moderates that have allowed their cause to be railroaded by torch and pitchfork carrying, racist, ignorant nut jobs.
Should I care any more?
I have to worry about my own survival, at this point, and ruminating about political jerks is not going to bring me any satisfaction whatsoever.
The political system is a joke in America and the system beyond repair.
America is a corporate state and the enemy is the people. The Tea Party people although misguided are correct that the people are the enemy.
Barack Obama is part of the present problem because he represents those class interests who are at war with regular American citizens. It’s the likes of the Koch Foundation and the Bradley Foundation and the Coors Family which represent those class interests at war with everyday Americans.
The Tea Party people are part of those class interests which only cares for the few over the many.
Goodbye to America—America has become a failed state!!!
Repeat after me—America is a FAILED STATE—Look at the state of schools, education and the decline of state services and state revenues–all traits of failed states.
Really?
Seems to me that other than a few tokens like Stem cells Obama is EXACTLY that bad.
Bwahahahahaha! Good one.
That is a joke, right?
Luntz is a propagandist and the go-to guy for the Rs for the talking points. Just listen to Mitch McConnell sometime.
I agree with that. I don’t think it’s a matter of which party we support anymore. They’ve all been corrupted by corporate money. I just don’t think the people that the tea partiers are half-assed supporting are going to do any better. In fact, I think they’ll do worse.
You speak as if the Bush Era is something from the past.
We’re living it now, and it is indeed insane.
I only hope we’re not in for a reverse-Hoover effect in 2012, with economic rage wiping out the do-little party in power, bringing in a president that radically transforms the government–this time by ripping the last of the new deal and great society programs down and putting progressives in the wilderness for a generation.
The wilderness? Would that be anything like having all your solid, progressive caucus members BAIL on their signed pledges in order to try and protect the image of a charlaton?
April 14, 2010
Bernanke the Ax Man
The New War on Social Security
By DEAN BAKER
“….Suppose our top generals described the growing threat from a hostile Middle East power. The country has tens of billions of oil dollars, a growing army, chemical and biological weapons, and is in the process of developing nuclear weapons. After carefully describing the risks posed by this country, our generals suggested an immediate attack on Canada. They explain that combating this Middle East country would be difficult, but defeating Canada is easy…This is essentially the story of the latest attack on Social Security. Everyone who looks at the projections agrees; the scary budget stories being hyped in the media and by the Wall Street crew are driven almost entirely by projections of exploding health care costs. But instead of proposing ways to fix the health care system, these deficit hawks want to attack Social Security. They tell us that fixing health care is hard. By contrast they think that cutting money from Social Security will be relatively easy….The facts on this are straightforward and known by everyone involved in the budget debate. The U.S. health care system is broken. We pay more than twice as much per person as the average for other wealthy countries….Of course attacking Social Security makes as much sense as our generals’ plan to attack Canada….The long-term problem is not that anything improper has been done with the program; the reason that Social Security is projected to eventually face a shortfall is that future generations are projected to live longer than we do. This raises costs since our children and grandchildren are projected to enjoy longer retirements than we do. In short, there is no story of generational inequity here, contrary to what the Wall Street deficit hawks say….If our deficit hawk generals are too scared to take on the health care industry then we also have to also make them too scared to take on Social Security…Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke recently suggested cutting Social Security because: “that’s where the money is.” That’s not true, the real money is on Wall Street. Let’s go get it….”
http://www.counterpunch.org/baker04142010.html
We’re already there.
Progressive cave on everything, they’re a joke.
Exactly right. I prefer my wolves without the sheep’s clothing, thank you very much At least it becomes easier for people to recognize the danger they pose.
Note: Apologies to the wolves for using them as a rhetorical device. Truth is, I’d rather live with real wolves (who are socially more evolved than we are in many ways) than with either corporatist Rethugs or corporatist Dems.
Obama is a FRAUD and a Whore for Corporations. He is best pals with the banking industry and Obama does not give a rat’s ass for this rapidly failing “Middle-Class.”
The next time the Dems say “middle-class” blah, blah, just understand that Obama has declared war on teachers and that he continues NCLB on Steroids.
The Democrats have long ago given up on working people in favor of being elected on the old rhetoric which no longer equates to policy measures.
Democrats are SNAKES
Republicans are SHARKS
Eating the People is the aim of both political parties.
BUT, consider how good Bush was at motivating the People to work for change?
That dynamic would be repeated again, but maybe next time we’ll be smart enough not to elect a PHONY “change agent.”
Right. And that’s why I believe the only political statement that has ANY relevance for our time is:
“PEOPLE VS. BIG CORPORATIONS. WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?”
The Huffington Post
Obama Gives Bush a 3rd Term in Education
By Diane Ravitch
June 13, 2009
“….The great mystery of education policy today is why the Obama administration is embracing the Bush program. I recently wrote in Education Week (June 10) that it is time to kill the Bush-era No Child Left Behind program. The overwhelming majority of teachers agree with me. Those who educate our kids know that NCLB is a failed program that is not improving our schools but rather turning them into test-prep factories and dumbing down our kids. Bush’s main advisor Sandy Kress reacted with outrage on the website of Education Week, and Tom Vander Ark on Huffington Post called me an “edu-curmudgeon” for speaking plain truth….Let me say it again: It is time to kill the Bush-era No Child Left Behind program. This is a program in which the federal government requires every state to test every student from grade 3-8 in reading and math every year. If states do not make “adequate yearly progress” towards 100% proficiency by 2014, then the schools face a series of increasingly onerous sanctions, ending with their being closed down. Vander Ark thinks that this punitive approach to school improvement is swell. I don’t….Now Secretary Arne Duncan promises to close 5,000 low-performing schools. The thought of closing 5,000 schools thrills today’s so-called “reformers,” although none of them has any idea how to make them better. Where will Duncan find 5,000 new principals? Is there an army of great teachers waiting to staff those 5,000 schools?… the new mandarins of education want to control all of American education. For some reason, first the Bush people and now the Obama people believe they know exactly how to fix American education. (Chicago, their model, is one of the lowest-performing cities in the nation on national tests, and Texas was never a national model for academic excellence.) Their answer starts with testing and ends with data and more testing. If children were widgets, they might be right; but children are not widgets, they are individuals. If reading and math were all that mattered in school, they might be right, but basic skills are not the be-all and end-all of being educated…..The amazing thing about American education today is that the Obama people–who promised revolutionary change–have no ideas other than to tighten the grip of President George W. Bush’s No Child Left Behind program on the teachers and children of the United States…..”
Diane Ravitch is the author of The Death and Life of the Great American School System: How Testing and Choice Are Undermining Education (Basic Books).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-ravitch/obama-gives-bush-a-3rd-te_b_215277.html
You do have a point there. I was thinking of a bigger set back for the movement than just the politicians.
I think “crickets” sums it up nicely.
On the political spectrum we have from left, Socialists, then Progressives, then Demo-Publicans, then Tea Party’ers (right leaning Demo-Pubs), and finally Libertarians. The Demo-Pubs and Tea Party sub-division are targeted by Corporations to do their bidding. We could turn-over the Congress and get rid of the Dims (and “teach them a lesson”) and bring back the Repugs, but what good would that do, the controlling elite wouldn’t care either way.
We have good people scattered along the spectrum, Sharrod Brown, Ron Paul, etc. We need to get off the party affiliation kick (Dem/Republican) because the power of “both” parties lies not only in the Congressional members but in the managing hierarchy. Stop funding Dem and Republicans PARTY’S, but instead fund perhaps Independents.
We need someone (FDL) to convince someone like Ron Paul to change Party affiliations to Independent. It seems to me an Independent would go much further today then when Perot ran. I think a new Party should stick to 3 or 4 main issues such as, stopping fake wars and bringing home our outposted soldiers, audit the Fed who is transferring money into the stock market, a buy-in to Medicare at cost like Grayson proposed… Keep the new Party simple.
I just don’t understand what you mean by “radically transformed.” What is demanding the purchase of monopolized, inferior, cost-increasing product from citizens, if not “radically transformed government”? The republican face of the oligarchy was laughed at for trying to privitize SS, so they went about securing that old-timer money via a democratic facade and an HIR “victory”. The next step won’t be any more radical, just another slick, back-door way to a similar effect: squeezing the middle class out of existance.
Let us not forget that this degree of collusion, i.e., forced purchase enforced by a govt agency, between a government and corporation has never been seen in this country before, and conforms to what is commonly defined and understood as “fascism.” That’s a radical enough transformation to alarm me.
Are we having fun now? What exactly has Obama & team done, aside from talking w/o sneering, that you’re so thrilled with?
This is additional validation of Howard Dean’s message that you show respect to ALL voters by running a candidate in EVERY election. [Contrary to the abandonment of the SD Senate race to incumbent R John Thune.]
Only when the Dems [I'm thinking REAL Dems here] show up in every race, articulate their POV and challenge the crap on the Right, are you going to have a chance to start turning people away from the Fox.
Dean Baker is GREAT, he’s been on track for quite a while. He was vocal & against reducing CPI measurement so inflation looks lower than it is, he was against totally repealing “Glass-Steagall”, he called the financial mess we’re in way back when we could have avoided it AND the Dems REFUSED to invite him to their Economic pow-wow back in the summer of 2008. I should’ve figured then what their TRUE agenda was, but I was leaning & hoping for change. Silly me!
Another teabagger masquerading as a progressive who claims to be angry about the Obama administration and the debt of the federal government. Yet not one single person came out from the teabaggers clan when GWB was spending money on tax breaks for the wealthly and not paying for it or starting a unnecessary war in Irag and not paying for it. I mean come on and stop with the BullS@#$.
We need this.
From the NY Observer:
When he substitutes “Obama” for “Bill O’Reilly,” then I’m all in.
[Mod Note: Let's not go any further down this path, even as a joke, please]
I totally agree with you, however unfortunately the Democrats don’t have talk radio(Rush Limpball, Sean Hampster, Gin Beck, Lying Levin or the other 400 and some odd right wing commentators, or a 24/7 cable news channel (Faux news. If they had a messaging machine then maybe, just maybe the messages would get out.
Did you have one in 2000 with Nader? How did that one work out for you? I’m pretty sure Nader pulled at least 527 votes away from Gore in Florida. I heard the same kind of complaints in 1968, when enough ‘liberals’ sat on their hands to let Nixon into office. How did that one work out for you?
I look at it like maybe Nader ended up preventing a President Lieberman. As bad as Chimpy Mcflightsuit was, I shudder to think what Joe – Puppet of Israel would have done.
Your observations about 1968 and 2000 are correct as far as they go, but they do not go far enough, IMO. In those years, we did not have a Dem party that had so obviously and completely cast its lot in with the corporate oligarchy. Now we do. So, if we don’t move to create a viable third party option, what do you envision that will save us from a future in which both parties will simply be competing to get the most favor from the corporate masters, to the continuing and increasing detriment of the People?
If you don’t have an answer for that, I think the snideness of your comment is completely unjustified.
Yeah there’s certainly nothing the President of the United States could do. Nobody listens to him.
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The Ron Paul libertarians are extremely anti-war and very vocally opposed George Bush’s spending. The tension between them and the Fox News/Bush/Palin Republicans is what the post is about.
Well they may just get together and agree on swiping your social security so good luck.
Jane, with greatest respect, I’d like to ask you directly why FDL does not push (harder, if at all) for the idea of a viable third party option?
Can it really be the case that you still think we can make the Democratic Party act like it gives a damn about regular people? I would think all the recent evidence most emphatically points towrd the opposite conclusion.
What is your thinking on this issue?
Btw, I love and admire and am grateful to you for all you’ve done to date, so please don’t be offended that I think a change of tactical orientation is indicated. It seems to me that it is only after your heroic efforts failed to get results that we could be in a position to know how hopelessly the current system is rigged against us.
My bad-I was trying to submit the above comment as a direct response to Jane’s Comment#128.
Of course I did, I voted for Obama! Why would anyone vote for someone the 2nd time who didn’t do what he said he do when he had the chance???????
The anger here is approaching tea party level. Are you aware the 2000 election followed 8 years of Bill Clinton, a Democrat? Why was 2000 a year for anyone to look to a 3rd party?
ayoama said: That’s it. That’s your threshold for calling someone a racist. Someone who’s lumped in with a 25% vs 11% differential on a poll.
cybieharry: Sorry for this late comment, but your comment shows you have misunderstood what the Times quote says. The 25% vs 11% differential does not concern any one individual in the group but the group as a whole. 25% of Tea Partiers as a group polled as racist as compared to 11% of the general public. You could also say it another way: 75% are not racist. But someone who is lumped in – that is, who is part of – the 25% who say they are racists, is just that: a racist, self-described (depending on the wording of the question, of course).
ayoma’s comment was #40
Not all of them. Only 25%
The press is not cooperating–they continue their “opinions of shape of earth differ” reporting.
Yeah, that is so postmodern. (Pomo probably dominates in journalism school.) Beliefs about the shape of the earth are all culturally constructed. Same thing with the sun revolving around the earth or vice versa. All opinions are equally valid. The reality-based community is just one shade of public opinion and the Rapture might just be tomorrow.
I don’t much mind the tea-baggers, I think digby’s nasty handwringing noises are a bit overdone. She’s a Party First type, I think it’s pretty lazy to point fingers and throw shit at the ‘other side’ – really at this point it’s just boring. Here is some good analysis of the dynamic, I think.
“Beck, along with his other right-wing colleagues, are reviving the putrid American tradition of Communist witch hunts and McCarthy-style red-baiting. Such tactics are used in times of social unrest, where the corporate elite needs both distraction and excuses for persecuting anyone who challenges corporate rule.
Beck’s attempt to denounce labor unions — especially the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) — and other working-class organizations as “Marxists” and “extremists” is not an accident. Some sections of the U.S.corporate elite view these groups as having too much power, especially in the context of the still-continuing Great Recession.
For example, U.S. corporations are intent on continuing — and even expanding — foreign wars, low taxes for the wealthy, and when needed, further bank/corporate bailouts. These policies are incompatible with the current expenditures on social services, education, and Social Security and Medicare — thus the gigantic and expanding U.S. deficit.
There has been enormous talk in the corporate media about dealing with this problem by cutting back Medicare and Social Security (Obama’s health care bill reduces Medicare by $500 billion). Likewise, Obama’s education plan, Race to the Top, is designed as a massive attack on public education. Social services in general are also being targeted.
The strongest defenders of these social programs are the groups that Beck routinely denounces. Unions and progressive groups are viewed by the corporate elite as obstacles, which need to be weakened or removed so that a solidly corporate agenda can be pursued. Beck is preparing public opinion to accept any harm that may come to labor and progressive groups — by individuals or the government — by routinely condemning them as America’s enemies.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18677
I’ve asked the same of Mike Malloy. Isn’t it time we start to give more air and space time to Greens, Peace & Freedom, and Socialist parties. I like to bitch as much as anyone else but it means nothing unless we start to advocate 3rd party options. These dems don’t give a rat’s ass about liberals. We are fucking retards!
I think a viable third party would have to be more centrist in nature, to capture a consensus of the public’s issues. Budgetary discipline, no unecessary foreign adventures, money out of politics, honesty and transparency from govt officials, supportive of First and Second Amendments and civil liberties generally, reasonably regulated capitalism with a reasonable but minimal safety net, strong public education. Maybe repeal of corporate personhood. Don’t you think that could capture a majority? After all, it is a democracy, we can’t expect everyopne to cave in to OUR more leftist views on everything. That’s what the right-wing does.
The Huffington Post
Obama’s Awful Education Plan
By Diane Ravitch
August 23, 2009
“…..No group had greater hopes for President Obama and his promise of change than the nation’s teachers. Poll after poll showed that they despised President Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” (NCLB) law with its demand for testing, testing, testing. When asked, teachers said that NCLB was driving out everything except reading and math, because they were the only subjects that counted. Science, the arts, history, literature, geography, civics, all gave way to make more time for students to take practice tests in reading and math. In some districts, the time set aside for practice tests consumed hours of every school day…..NCLB was a failure, and not just because teachers didn’t like it. Test scores inched up, but no more than they had before NCLB was passed. Scores on college-entrance exams remained stagnant…Part of the problem is that the tests on which so much attention is now lavished are low-level. Students don’t have to know much to pass them…..So, what is the Obama administration now doing? Its $4.3 billion “Race to the Top” fund will supposedly promote “innovation.” But this money will be used to promote privatization of public education and insist that states use these same pathetic tests to decide which teachers are doing a good job. With the lure of all that money hanging out there to the states, the administration is requiring that they remove all restrictions on the number of privately-managed charter schools that receive public dollars and that they use test results to evaluate teachers….This is not change that teachers can believe in. These are exactly the same reforms that President George W. Bush and his Secretary Margaret Spellings would have promoted if they had had a sympathetic Congress. They too wanted more charter schools, more merit pay, more testing, and more “accountability” for teachers based on those same low-level tests. But Congress would never have allowed them to do it…..Now that President Obama and Secretary Arne Duncan have become the standard-bearer for the privatization and testing agenda, we hear nothing more about ditching NCLB, except perhaps changing its name. The fundamental features of NCLB remain intact regardless of what they call it….The real winners here are the edu-entrepreneurs who are running President Obama’s so-called “Race to the Top” fund and distributing the billions to other edu-entrepreneurs, who will manage the thousands of new charter schools and make mega-bucks selling test-prep programs to the schools…..”
Diane Ravitch is the author of The Death and Life of the Great American School System: How Testing and Choice Are Undermining Education (Basic Books).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-ravitch/obamas-awful-education-pl_b_266412.html
Mike Malloy is a disgrace to true leftists.
Malloy is nothing but a shill for the Democratic Party now that Obama is in office. Malloy fails to see the reality of the situation and instead has chosen to become a party partisan instead of seeing that the present conditions in America have been due to both the collaboration of Democrats and Republicans.
The guy has been POTUS for all of a year and three months. I mean seriously.
Banderson2, HCR was a once in 30 year opportunity. Do you honestly not know how much significant & substantive HCR was needed? Obama gave it away the basic human right of healthcare as a boondoggle to an industry that’s wrecked havoc on our economy & families for more than a generation. Are you aware more than 1/2 the bankruptcies in this country are caused by medical problems? Are YOU serious?
That’s what worries us.
Jane, you continue to deliver insightful posts that stand head and shoulders above the cacophony that is most commentary on our Orwellian Through-the-Looking-Glass world. First-rate post.
_”The last time the country experienced unemployment rates this high was in 1938. Wouldn’t we expect some civil unrest, just a bit. Or is it always about racism. Why aren’t there progressive protests. The rich are getting fabulously wealthy while most of the country is experiencing the 1930s. But that’s apparently cool with progressives.”_
right on, aoyama.
Ed, Schultz, Keith Olbermann, and especially Rachel Maddow, have all been especially, depressingly disappointing. The ONLY “news” story today is the hijacking, the looting, of $10-TRILLION (Nomi Prins estimates) to 20+ trillion taxpayer-extorted dollars, by the Congress – the PELOSI 110th & 111th Congress… to the insanely corrupt banksters and frauds on Wall Street. But Keith, Ed, and Rachel think they can grind out 52×5 shows a week on the Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachman crazies of the GOP & Tea Parties, apparently.
Doesn’t that make them as COMPLICIT in the LOOTING of America, as Time, CNN, the NY Times, the WashPost, and Murdochs WSJ and Fox ‘news’ rags?
I presume the message from the left should’ve pointed out that Obama was Bush 2.0.
Jane: You’ve got the narrative spot-on, but misunderstand the Paulites. The teaparty thing was just a promotion not a self-identity, their goal is to take over the GOP. While the republicans have been playing around battling for the fringes, they’ve been moving deeper into the mainstream and promoting a populist message on campuses and stuff in a far more low-key fashion … making sure the core GOP crew that always seems to appear in pictures with Bachmann hang themselves all over the crazy while they appear to be the sober ones looking for solutions.
Don’t think it will work long term, but it’s pretty funny to watch. Hell, the teaparty guys endorsed Minnick up here in Idaho. If Sarah Palin hadn’t wrapped herself in the Teaparty movement, you know they’d be painting “Ron Paul’s Tea Party” as Ralph Nader. Now it looks like Palin’s movement just endorsed Minnick … too awesome.
When Paul addresses the “tea party movement” now, he is always gracious but he is also very clear that there are many within the “expanded” movement that don’t hold to the original principles of the Paulites who originally identified as Tea Partiers. I think his followers view that as a recruiting ground now more than “their” movement. My impression is that they are genuinely pissed at the GOP over ’08 and this swoop thing just adds a bit of “par for the course” insult. I doubt Armey managed to swoop much of anything but the brand name – and Paul seems to come out of it stronger, at least in the short term.
“So apparently you and I are fated to disagree that a bunch of folks who have theirs are complaining about those less fortunate getting any help.”
Oh they do, do they?
The “scientific” poll indicates that the baggers think Bam is more interested in helping the poor (and the rich) than the “middle class.”
The NY Times, engaging in coporatist indirection as usual, calls this “racist.” Unless we accept the construction “all poor people getting help from fedgov are black and hispanic,” that construction does hold without further “scientific polling.”
The “scientific poll” also indicates that the baggers are most pissed off at the healthcare bill.
The only clearly “wins” in the bill are the medicaid expansion (income transfer to poor people) and the corporatist mandate (income transfer to asset holding classes and insurance executives (rich people)).
The “scientific” poll indicates these people are older. They’ve paid FICA taxes all their lives, see the income transfers in the new Bill, and cuts in Medicare in the same bill. I don’t know if these went through, but they were widely publicized for a long time.
It’s not like the D-Party gave them anything else to fight for. The D-Party gave them a Bill last August that cut their benefits in order to transfer money to the poor and the rich. There was no vision of a better system that better accomodates all people.
The D-Party itself deliberately infought various demographics en route to the bill they wanted to pay off their sponsors in the financial sector.
I don’t get what you don’t get about this. Obama DOES NOT work in their interests. You want them to pretend he does.
Tough sh*t!
Jane have you spent any time talking with the teabaggers when they have come to D.C. over the last year? I came over to D.C. several times to mix it up with the folks at those gatherings, as well as in Denver, and Columbus Ohio.
When you ask them questions”what do you know about the original tea party” “If you are so concerned about spending where were you during the Bush administration’s spending” Most draw blanks.
The basic conclusion that I have drawn from talking with quite a few “teabaggers” The basic theme on health care is “If God had wanted everyone to have health care he she it would have made everyone rich”.
At a couple of the pro health care reform rallies I attended I kept thinking people should be packing arms so that the cameras would come. Amazing 24/7 MSM coverage of the teabagging not much of the well behaved well spoken pro health care reform folks.
Telling
Hardball had a bunch of the teabagging stats up on last nights program
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/