Thomas Ferguson is a professor of politics and economics at University of Massachusetts at Boston. The author of the “Investment Theory of Party Competition,” he believes that business elites, not voters, are the dominant force in political systems. Together with Joi Chen, he has released an analysis of the Brown/Coakley election, and concludes that the Brown vote correlates strongly with the decline in housing values (PDF):
Our findings about the fall in housing prices point to something much deeper – something that more jobs by themselves are unlikely to fix, though they might dampen it. Our statistical tests indicate that declines in housing values operated independently to depress the Democratic vote share.
We think it is unlikely that the housing variable is merely a proxy for some other unmeasured factor, such as income. Instead, we suspect that our result drives to the heart of the “Tea Party” phenomenon. Put simply, our data are consistent with the notion that a good part of the swing toward Scott Brown came from voters who were not only frightened by high unemployment – their own, or their neighbors’ – but who also suffered large losses in wealth from the collapse of the housing bubble. For most Americans, their greatest economic asset is their house. We thus suspect that the housing collapse is also likely associated with major declines, or potential declines, in retirement incomes. Particularly for older voters, this has to be very alarming.
They conclude that this discontent among older voters has largely taken a right-wing frame because of the impoverished nature of the economic conversation in the media:
At a time when real disposable per capita income minus government transfer payments (or “take home pay minus government assistance”) has sunk to its lowest levels since the giant recession of the early 1970s, most major television and radio networks continue to trumpet both efficient markets and the imagined evils of Keynesian, countercyclical programs. With only modest exceptions, so does the money-driven world of think tanks, the rest of the press, and the government itself.
We are thus driven to conclude that the sometimes wild assertions and arguments advanced by Tea Partiers largely reflect the poverty of economic and political analysis in the establishment media. Indeed, the U.S. case bears an unsettling similarity to the situation in many parts of the parts of the Middle East. Political establishments and governments refuse to countenance critical discussion of social and economic problems. They marginalize alternative views, while beating the drums unceasingly for orthodoxy. When a crisis hits, however, no one believes them. So disaffected citizens set to work with the only tools they have – bits and snatches of traditional economic and political thinking – to analyze their predicament on their own. It should not be surprising that such efforts often end up being hard to tell apart from Alice in Wonderland or even Goya’s Black Paintings.
I’ve put the blame on the “veal pen” in the past, who largely abandoned their Wall Street critiques when the bankers told Obama they didn’t want their bonuses criticized any more. Without the normal liberal validators driving the economic argument from the left, the media is left with little to cover and the danger has always been that all of that discontent would accrue to the right — which is exactly what happened. But credit where credit is due, Fox’s constant “Obama is a socialist” drumbeat has played a huge part in the ridiculously inadequate economic conversation that has driven pissed off old people with declining mortgage values to the right.
Meanwhile, John Boehner is meeting with Jamie Dimon and promising that Republicans will protect Wall Street from intrusive regulation. And when Phil Angelides wanted to release 500,000 pages of documents that the Financial Crisis Inquiry panel has reviewed, “Republicans responded that they would open an investigation into the commission’s work if they succeeded in taking back the House in November.” The idea that the GOP would “stand up to the banks” if they were returned to power is both irrational and ludicrous, but it reflects the truly terrible state of the economic messaging machine that significant numbers of people believe that this might actually happen.




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Obama the “omnidirectional placater” spurns critical comment from the left, which he is able to do as the chief spokesperson for the traditional party of the center left.
He does it because it makes his job as Placater-in-Chief easier, and allows him to concentrate on the Right’s incessant need to be placated, regardless of what he gives them. It doesn’t do the country or its middle and working classes any good, however. At a minimum, that should worry the head of the Democratic Party as it heads into a midterm election.
And the Democrats are apparently without a message.
Really disgusting.
But Obama is a socialist – he’s a corporate socialist who takes money from the public to give to his corporate donors.
poor suckers are in for a world of mental hurt if they think the Rs are going to make their lives better. Kind of like i thought zero might help matters. Ouch.
How many of these people were using their house a credit card?
Because if they were, it’s as much a testament to the fact that incomes are stagnant as anything else. There was analysis on that–showing that it’s not unemployment that drives electoral failures, but lower spending money–that I saw recently.
Isn’t Boehner just Something Else?
I bought a manufactured house in ’03. It went up, then down, but I haven’t lost money yet.
My friend who bought a 800k house has lost her shirt.
Sad, but true. Our choices come back to bite us.
Ding!
We all gamble differently.
More and more, I’m just convinced there is some sort of “straw man” agreement between Republicans and Democrats. Each agrees to let the other party paint them as some extremist radicals, but when they get into power, they both work toward the exact same corporatist goals.
I used to buy into the “spineless Democrats” theory, but not any more – I think their actions are intentional and have nothing to do with their political ‘courage.’
Interesting thesis but one that seems to have had a conclusion to which they matched the facts. Sure the housing crash has some bearing but the Democratic candidate was, frankly, an arrogant and ambitious politician that turned off many of the”swing” independent voters. Coakley had taken on a number of cases purely for political purposes that were of dubious merit to begin with. Her, apparent, railroading of the british nanny instead of even looking at the democrat donor parents was astounding, too much even for Judge and Jury. Her refusal to re-examine the case of suspected child abuse despite a multitude of evidence that just called for the case to looked at again was a callous political decision and was definitely a factor in the election.
Coakley campaigned as though she were “entitled” to the seat once occupied by Ted Kennedy and many voters were off put by her running for the seat and fundraising while Ted Kennedy was still alive.
Sure the price decline of housing had some bearing on the election but to assume that people of Massachusetts went to the polls and decided to vote for Brown because their house was worth less than it was the year before is not giving the voters a heck of a lot of credit for making intelligent, well thought out, decisions based on the character of the candidate.
Interesting thesis but one easily dismissed as bulltwaddle..
Frankly, I don’t think better messaging by Dems would change anything. Much of the anger is based in either true or willful ignorance rather than a lack of information in the public domain. And many people simply lack the capacity to understand anything to do with macroeconomics or economic systems. It’s like expecting cats to understand calculus. This ignorance makes them ripe for manipulation, and that is exactly what the GOP is doing. the GOPers always appeal to the least informed voters with the lowest capacity for understanding – that is their MO on everything. Who else would have the chutzpah to rally their voters against financial reform while simulataneously attempting to cut a deal with the financial industry to do their bidding in exchange for campaign contributions? Oh yeah, that would be ObamaRahmbo on HCR, wouldn’t it?
Hmmm, interesting.
This is old news
Eric Hoffer said as much over thirty years ago.
“A poulation subjected to drastic change is a population of misfits—
unbalanced, explosive, and hungry for change.”
Shucks…you don’t say.
I blame the Democrats, ah yes, the Democrats. Their old “but we are marginally better than the other side” has lost steam and they refuse to accept it.
I’m tired of this. When are the Democrats going to start acting like Democrats again? When are they going to get it?
Great post anyway, Jane. I wasn’t aware of this study but their findings make a lot of sense.
Yeah I know the White House was anxiously peddling that line. Doesn’t explain how she won state wide election prior to that, or how she beat the very popular Michael Capuano in the primary, or the dramatic 20 point swing in a few weeks, but it does satisfy the impulse to blame it all on Coakley’s inadequacies.
Oh, is that it, huh? Gee, maybe it’s the fact that the Democrats are actually in power and doing very little to improve the lives of these ignorant fools. Just a thought.
You guys also might like a documentary featuring Thomas Ferguson called Golden Rule: The Investment Theory of Politics.
Both candidates had character.
In this town one would have to work 2 1/2 full time jobs at minimum wage to reach a living wage. It is no wonder people are pissed off. No amount of work is going to get people out of the depths of despair and poverty until we solve the income disparity.
An interesting thesis, but it is still correlational in nature and as such causal inferences cannot be validly made.
IMO, being here, I’d argue the election was almost completely influenced by what was happening outside of Massachusetts.
The “money quote” that nimrods like Friedman et al. ought to ponder.
I’d love to see Frank Rich utilize this in a Sunday column.
No, what it does is give credit to the voters who saw the candidate for what she was…..and for not voting for her, and the WH be damned.
Oh my…the same voters who overwhelmingly gave her the Attorney General office? This woman was so popular that she was running ads for then-candidate Deval Patrick before she even won office herself. Come on, you think her sense of entitlement was the driving force behind an election in a state that nearly never votes out an incumbent? I don’t think so.
I saw the following on bumper sticker this morning:
WTF?
The incumbent was dead if you recall.
Yes…and? My point is sense of entitlement is not often an major issue in Massachusetts politics. To pretend none of what happened here had to do with what was happening nationally is absurd.
I continue to wish that a big hunk of blame for the anger that morphed into “Tea Party” would be laid at Obama’s feet.
If he’d come into office and said, “there are an awful lot of things that are awful for Americans right now: lack of jobs, foreclosures, lack of health care, inadequate schools, infrastructure disintegration, and people have a right to be frustrated and angry. But ‘we’re all in this together,’ so we’re going to work together to attack & solve each of these problems.”
Now see, there wasn’t [in my imaginary statement] any “and those fucking Republicans got us into this mess” that he was so disinclined to say. There wasn’t any dismissive “we’ve got to look forward, not backward” that excluded possible subsequent pinning the tail on the Republican donkey. But there was an acknowledgment of problems, a recognition of folks’ anger and frustration [and fear].
THAT sort of approach would have defused a big hunk of the emotion that, having nowhere to go, went to the Tea Partiers. Obama could have strongly run on a “there are so many things wrong, and we can’t fix every one at once, but we acknowledge them, acknowledge your pain, and will get to work as hard and as quickly as we can [despite those MF Republicans. And BTW, you could help by telling them to get out of our way.]”
By sticking to his “I won’t say bad things about anyone, even the people who screwed you [as a matter of fact, I'll invite them into my Administration],” Obama lost a chance to diffuse and redirect the anger to a useful purpose.
But I now believe that was his intent all along.
They can call him anything they want to since he has no firm standards and apparently no political morals. I certainly can’t figure out what he is except a good motivational speaker.
I apologize in advance, but I have to share this with someone else.
From one of the blackwaterdog’s Obama pr0n picture diaries at the great Orange Satan….
I know this sounds awfully shallow (0+ / 0-)
but I wouldn’t mind President Obama giving me a back rub. He has strong, beautiful hands. Mind you, one of my requirements for Future Husband is good massage skills. I jokingly asked a fellow member of my chorus who gave me a warm-up massage if he was married (yes, unfortunately).
by The YENTA Of The Opera
this wilful ignorance is slowly being stoked… at some point there will be an explosion…. the tea party crowd is NOT interested in becoming informed and repugs keep playing to their basest instincts……….. imo
And your proof of that is…?
Not one poll of the multitude conducted after the eleciton found “felt she was entitled to the job” or “railroaded the british nanny” as a reason that people turned out, or did’t turn out, or voted for Brown, or voted against Coakley. Not one.
On the other hand,”Democrats haven’t done enough to challenge Republican policies of the Bush years” was the overwhelming reason given by people who voted for Obama and also voted for Brown:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/poll-anti-coakley-obama-voters-say-dems-arent-doing-enough.php
That is just sick.
Very true and who “pretended” that?
But the socialist label resonates with people in “red” states who think that the Stimulus was and is about helping “lazy” people rather than about saving the capitalist system from a depression or total collapse. There are people here who now see paying taxes as feeding the “lazy” and who are calling for the rise of the Confederacy. The label is totally wrong, but it has a political effect.
Here is the thing….remember that when Obama got to the Senate, he sought out Joe Leiberman to be his mentor. Now despite the D, or now I, after his name, who does Leiberman LIKE more? Who are his friends, amigos? the Democrats? Liberal Democrats? Fuck no. I think with very good evidence we can say that Obama is in pretty good lockstep with Joe Leiberman as far as his belief system goes. And I’d say they are pretty much Democrats in name only. So would JOE LEIBERMAN stand up and say Republican policies got us to this bad place? No. He doesn’t believe that. And neither does Obama. Because they believe in the same things that the Republicans do. And that’s why Obama didn’t stand up and blame the GOP. IMO.
it seems our friend bwd has been “chased away” from big orange by all the “mean people” (1600 comments and counting last monday)
disappointing as I was eagerly awaiting her fabu photo diary on WH ordered assassinations of U.S. citizens
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is ready for us: Do 46% of Americans Really Want George W. Bush Back? Really?
Have you read this: “HUD is a Sewer“? Have you wondered about all the thefts of mortgage data (e.g. one significant data point for the DC Metro area in “Data Security Breach;” “Data Theft Chart – PERSONAL DATA THEFTS 2005-2009“)
I used to scan through those diaries hoping to read the Obamatrons getting torn apart by logic and facts, but the fawning stupidity is too strong. They are trying to give me rage blackouts.
Look before you can state what the poll results are you must first present the questions asked. Did any poll ask the question “do you think she was entitled”?, probably not.
On the other hand assuming that house price decline was a more important factor than the character of the candidate can only be answered by asking that question.
You and I can agree to disagree but the fact is she was not elected and it was the Mass. voters that decided that. Now why she was rejected over a no-name GOP candidate in a heavily democratic state is still open to conjecture.
Just so I understand what you’re saying. If any of these numerous polls had simply listed “she thought she was entitled to the job,” you’re claiming that this would have been the number one choice?
So the pollsters just failed to ask the question that backs you up, it’s their limitation. And therefore any discussion of why the electorate behaved as it did based on polling information is invalid, because of this gross moment of universal professional oversight.
Based upon what I was seeing, incomes appeared stagnant by that time (they looked to me to have stagnated by the mid to late 1990s).
I agree with the premise that having less money to spend has a major impact on electoral results. Part of the problem with the “greed is good” and spend, spend, spend philosophy was the insulation from the consequences of embracing that philosophy. As an example, there was a time when you couldn’t purchase a home without a significant down payment and an income to cover at least a third of that mortgage. Common sense spending.
After decades of greed philosophy, many people didn’t even recognize that their high debt spending was even a problem. Add in the “greed” factor at the highest levels manipulating our money resulting in losses (often out of the individuals control) and there will be a great deal of frustration and anger. As a country, we can no longer support this type of philosophy and can’t continue the status quo of this philosophy. If those in the government refuse to recognize this, then citizens must recognize this first and bring about the necessary changes. I suspect this will be very difficult since we have over 3 decades of the “greed is good” philosophy ingrained in the thinking of a large segment of the population.
Just to remind the doyens of FDLdom, the devaluation of homes was preceded by cheap credit to buy homes, at rates unheard of since the early 1950s. It was not a gamble on the part of individuals to buy homes that seemed affordable at the time with the credit made available to them. The fact that the vast majority of the buyers did not perceive any bubble at the time should preclude such harsh judgments against them based on perfect 20/20 hindsight.
Everything ultimately comes down to the fact that we have had a lack of literacy in this country for several generations. Politicians can only get away with what they have been doing because the electorate doesn’t have a clue about what is really going on. I have subscribed to a “conspiracy theory” that the corporatocracy has subverted the educational system for several decades in order to get us to where we are today. They have been looting the country and are leaving behind an empty shell.
This could be correlated agains other special elections for further proof.. Call in Nate Silvers!
I can tell you what he is – he’s a two-faced neoliberal whose presidency (and I use the term very loosely) will keep any other non-white from achieving that office for decades to come.
Let’s also remember that the recent push to buy homes was brought to us by Decider Bush and his Republic cohorts.
Losing the message war you say? How atrocious is this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama
Snookered into denying the (piss poor) regulation bill is a bailout bill!
But then, as you say, it’s not just messaging, it’s substance. When Wall Street threatened to shift all its donations to the GOP, Waxman bragged about bailing out the banks and Obama called Dimon and Blankfein “savvy.” They’re terrified of losing the Street’s support.
Dems can’t quit Wall Street, and until they do, we should quit them.
dalenco2ny @ 45–
This dovetails with my theory that the recent greatest-wealth-transfer-since-the-Renaissance (this is international including Ireland [for instance, Ireland got hit as they had a concurrent housing bubble (remember, when NVR had a strike price of $265/share?)], Iceland and other countries I spend less time studying) was only achieved through strategic and systemic computerization recently (saturation by early 2000s in US). AT&T et al tried to initiate a massive acceptance of computers in the “mass markets” in the 1970s but the effort failed at the time.
True enough, but traditionally, the first area of Fed easy money policy to respond is real estate. It was on Alan Greenspans watch and he deserves most of the credit for the housing bubble. The country, however, is rife with such moments throughout its history.
Interestingly the authors say that the drop in housing prices is more or less not about people having lost money on their homes as much as the loss represents a canary in the coal mine on their general future for many voters. Also the study generally agrees with plenty of observers at FDL that some of those voting for Brown were in fact sending a message, as opposed to actually being in favor of Brown or the Rs. Team Obama and most of the Ds in Congress, as the conclusion suggests, have no interest in accepting these facts nor addressing these issues except to tell us to wait for the magic pony. Voters understand, at least in broad strokes, that they are not getting the representation they require from their public officials.
Of course, they figure serfs and serfdom does not require a huge amount of education and that education will make the unwashed masses resistant to serfdom.
you have a point, but it’s all part of the push to make US citizens into good little consumers and buy buy buy. but then our elected reps (Ds or Rs, same either way) deregulated out the wahzoo, severely discounted taxes for the even greedier one percent, and the off-shoring our work began in earnest.
During the W years, Bush & co. encouraged citizens to snag the “American dream” and own their own homes, and due to ridiculous de-regulating the banks or whatever loaned money to anyone who asked for it. It was nuts. Anyone who didn’t see the looming crash was simply not looking or in denial or something.
Home prices sky-rocketed in most parts of the country to insane levels, yet people continued to buy as if there was no tomorrow, plus use their homes as ATMs so that they could buy lots of “fun” things like giant SUVs and fancy vacations.
Yes, I know the poorer among us probably used their homes as ATMs to pay for necessary stuff, and that is a shame. Our wages have definitely stagnated at the expense of the top one percent who making money still as if there’s no tomorrow.
It’s a web of issues. IMO citizens, in general, are responsible for some of the mess, for being irresponsible with their life choices and how they spent money, but somehow are looking (whether tea partiers or lefties) for the gov’t to come up with the “fix.” But the gov’t was even more irresponsible in deregulating and lowering upper tax limits, and all of that.
We’re in a huge bind and a huge mess, but we end up with the rabid base on the right have a dominant voice all the time anymore. That would be ok if they made some sense, but mostly they don’t.
BHO came into office to do exactly what he’s doing. I agree with prior posts in this vein. It’s not that Ds lack spine; they’re doing exactly what they want. BHO had no intention of really working “for the people;” he’s working for the corporations.
The rightwing has been planning and working towards the dumbing down of citizens since the days of Lee Atwater, Pat Buchanon, et al beginning the late 1960s. We have achieved the permanent republican majority so touted by the Bush Admin; this is it; do not collect $200; you are here.
I’m not sure how we fix the merry-go-round, but I do believe that many citizens made the same mistakes during the housing bubble that they did during the dot.com bubble. It all looked like “easy money,” and they all jumped in the pool and went: whoo-hooo. Well, it was “easy money” for some but not for most, many of whom lost their shirts.
I’m sorry for those who are really pressured at the bottom of the heap bc it’s very bad, and very bleak down there.
For those more towards the middle, though: learn a few lessons, please. Greed is NOT good, and many acted like the three monkeys: hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. I think many US citizens lived way beyond their means. I’m sorry that they got caught short and don’t wish ill on anyone. But citizens all need to wake up to the fact that our gov’t isn’t working anymore – at least, our gov’t is NOT working to the benefit of citizens. Be aware; stay awake; live and learn.
Yes, and for reason: follow the money. Who got rich, and who lost their shirts? Let the buyer beware.
It’s clear that the gov’t – no matter who is putatively “in charge” – is not to be trusted at all in any way.
Yea, real education involving anything to do with critical thinking skills and a basic, common human ethic of goodness absolutely must go in their world but they also do it within their own society of the “special people.” They have some other very disturbing “cultural” practices to keep folks in line (see comment at Eli’s post today). That’s why they have leadership failure by the third generation if not sooner.
I think it was a “perfect storm” brought together by a number of players for a variety of reasons. There were people who truly wanted to improve the lives of our citizens by getting them affordable housing. Some politicians wanted to take advantage of this situation for their personal benefit (or they may actually also have wanted to improve citizens lives) and therefore changed the laws. The wealthy and many financial institutions saw a situation they could exploit and make huge sums of money on and did so.
There are many lessons to be learned here. But, one of the biggest is that there are REASONS why we need regulations in place and we need regulatory agencies in place THAT DO THEIR JOB. Former President George W. Bush intentionally tried to make our regulators ineffective (by putting corporate figure heads in charge, etc.). “We the people” should not allow our President to destroy our government.
No you misunderstand and I am now bored with your sillyness.
I guess that playing Pac-Man on the PC in the 1980′s set us up for the slaughter. We started believing that computers were cool.
So I’m guessing that the anti-computer folks are reaching the innertubes via TCP/IP encoded in text via carrier pigeon. Certainly not UDP because of the lack of error checking involved. Might be a tad slow unless the packets are really big though.
Lots of nefarious schemes, including feudalism have required nothing more than the willingness to take advantage of others for personal gain. Greed is computer agnostic.
As Emptywheel points out, all the economic data is inter-related — low home equity can be tied to less disposable income, etc. I think it is very hard, and much too simplistic to attribute large shifts in voter sentiment to only one cause.
There is a hugely diverse group out there, in Massachusetts and elsewhere, who have had it with the Democrats. Every person who feels this way has a somewhat unique reason based on their personal experience, and that of others around them. Some are more thoughtful reasons than others. Some people think more deeply about things and want to find out the truth. Others want their prejudices confirmed and will believe anything no matter how outlandish, if it corresponds to their twisted view of the world.
I find that educational level and IQ are not that important. I know people who are not all that intelligent or educated, who have a great grasp of the issues and search for facts to base their opinions on. I know bright, educated people who believe hogwash. It comes down to character in many instances. Like pornography, as the SC judge once said, you know it when you see it — character, that is.
Looking for a single driver in the Massachusett’s vote, or, the key reason for the Democrats’ lousy approval ratings is quixotic, although it makes for interesting conversation.
My impression is that many people feel their own economic situation worsening, whether it be their home values, their employment prospects, their ability to pay for their children’s education or afford a new car or house, and they are responding viscerally.
So many ordinary people I talk to realize the truth — Large corporate donors are calling the shots. They are being ignored. And they are right.
The American people are not as stupid as the politicians, and some of the people who comment on blogs, believe. A lot of low-information voters out there can see what the Obama cheerleaders at DK don’t. Obama is a fraud. And they’ll vote Republican just to express their disgust. Not all people, but enough.
The corporations that pay for these polls don’t want to see those types of questions. The electorate doesn’t have a clue. But when their houses decline in value it gets personal, and they will make the party in office pay the price.
If people really want to learn about the evolution of the Republican party, they should watch this Frontline show on Lee Atwater:
Frontline: Boogie Man – The Lee Atwater Story
Yes.
Meanwhile, no-brainer security IT procedures abandoned, no fraud control functions, trap-door/back-door coding, shoving things into the Cloud over an insecure Internet hybridizied with the Plain Old Telephone System (POTS) (run by rack-mount supercomputers completely before Y2K). Look at the concurrent legal/administrative law changes + utter computer-actuated, modularization of biz units & their designed lifecycle in the “market” doing the “IPO bubble shuffle” (apologies to Larry Carlton as he is a decent human being in my estimation; the musical piece is used to give the notion of the friendly, boiling-the-frog technique used)… getting the picture? Otherwise, freaking brilliant although it might fit the definition of “evil” (remember, technology, like money, can be used by humans as an accelerator or magnifier; it’s neither “good” nor “evil”).
Well, a lot of that “credit made available to them” was in the form of funky new financially innovative forms of debt. Your average homeowner likely didn’t understand the full implications of the interest rate risk they were exposing themselves to when their rates reset or their payments recast.
That is a function of lax regulatory oversight (TX of all places didn’t allow many of these exotic mortgages) as well as an industry structure where originators were not at risk for failed loans.
They threw out a run- of- the -mill type generic tough prosecutorial type woman-politician, of the usual stripe, because of her lack of personality, for a male hustler,(that’s what I call a dude that makes money showin’ off his nude ass,) But even he is choice, it shows how tenuous is the current incumbency, et al.
This, as a rebuke of what she is associated with, to wit: Obama & co. and the whole laize fair attitude shown in the wastage of the majority status.
What it means is: that if the two headed party of one, which pretends to be two, would ever fail in its subterfuge, and allow the voters to have choice, any haffway viable canidate could bump the whole lot of the protected incumbency which is the most unwanted scenario, to ponder.
The parties exist to limit the field of candidates, start there, and go backwards.
Some that seemed to have promise that just didn’t get the nod from the committee, and no money, they dissappear, that is it.
Making mental note to ignore your future posts.
Well stated. I think this is a time when third party candidates COULD do well because the public does recognize that the “legacy” parties are not representing them. The Obama administration and Congress is trying to return our country to the status quo. On one hand, we were told that our economy was about to “collapse”. On the other hand, now we are going to return to that same economic system which almost “collapsed” (“financial reform” is already looking like a watered down joke). Since the biggest “losers” from our economic policies were the working and middle class, can we – the working and middle class afford to maintain the status quo again?
(my edit)– “The [two] parties exist to limit the field of candidates, start there, and go backwards”
Plus,
“Net Neutrality” threatens efforts to reign-in/get rid o’ the corrupt middle men. We could be at China censorship levels with the de-energizing or recoding of a few optical switches at the carrier hotel at 60 St. Hudson, NYC (& a few other places) faster than you think. Hence, why you need print as that is human-readable; 0s and 1s are not (unless you are Mr. Data). The time-honored methods of human communication cannot be abandoned (e.g., know your neighbors). Besides, the ‘Net could b time-limited as this is brought to you by vast amounts of electrons created in part by burning coal (non-renewable resources).
I can’t understand Obama and his team’s very lethargic and belated responses to everything. They were like this during the campaign too. They always seem like they’re too bothered to actually respond and confront Repuggery. It always feels like things are forced and they’d rather just lay back down and let things just occur. Then, after a while, they finally realize the importance of fighting back and then it takes twice as much effort to get to the place they need to be than if they just hit back when they were supposed to. I’m thoroughly disillusioned by this administration, but the least they could do is have a coherent attack strategy against the Pugs.
Carolyn C —
Great analysis. But need to ask you and
Jane Hamsher:
Am I wrong, or did Coakley’s precipitous drop in the polls not coincide with her coming out in favor of the Senate HCR bill? Wasn’t it speculated that Mass voters had enough sour experience with Romneycare to recognize that the bill the WH was pushing was a pig-in-a-poke? (And therefore Coakley’s allegiance to the WH was viewed as a betrayal of the voters in the state?)
To that i say: the parties endeavor to winnow out the many contendors to a more maneagble no. So fine, but the selection processes, may be as a competition… a la Adam Smith’s “unseen hand…” or more likely, gamed to influence all from a central power structure, which from our understanding of things… is less efficient.
As for your off topic remarks, That should be considered, and an exploding meteor or some solar event etc. could be a big problem for satalite transmissions, but then fiber optics and stuff to take over. Right?
Easy come: easy go. The internet is everything Al Gore promissed.
Citation: “The Dark Side of Our Bright Digital Spaces: 21st Century Wizardry Relies on Dirty Energy of the Past” (the implications of the electricity gobbling telecomm-based industry was understood within the industry before Y2K). Here’s more as the computer/electronics industry isn’t “clean”: “China’s Electronic Waste Village (PICS)“. One engineer (1980s before the company was completely lobotomized) did succeed in getting TI to use a non-environmentally degrading (non-VOC) agent for the PCB wash process. She used the fabulous concentrated orange oil now US mass marketed OTC which came right out taxpayer-supported government research labs).
Wages have been flat for three decades now.
This country moved from GI Bill to dual earner household to HELOC ATM, all the while holding steadfast to their personal bullshit narratives about the evil of collective bargaining, national health insurance and progressive taxes. Given that their “spending money” has been going down steadily over a generation now, one has to wonder whether there is any point to try to determine a reasoning or even correlation between the voters’ objective reality and their votes.
Obama and his team have always been sluggish. He took forever to respond to the Reverend Wright “problem”. He only succeeded because folks wanted very much to vote against his opponents. I give him very little credit at all.
Now, he is about to move the Supreme Court further to the right in his replacement of Stevens. It has reached the point where I pick up the remote and change the channel whenever I see him on television. If I, a lifelong Dem am reacting this way, his future is not bright.
Centralized power likes (depends upon?) public fear/perceptions of things of which to be feared. Can’t tell you how many people have confessed that they could have “switched the railroad tacks” but didn’t due to it and that choice did make a difference to the collective. Timing is everything; it can all change with the blink of an eye.
Re your paragraph 2– yes, the system has redundancies and hierarchies of control.
I was under the impression that her support for Obamacare was also an issue.
“Democrats haven’t done enough to challenge Obama policies” might have been a reason for people who voted for Obama to not vote for her. His endorsement might have been another. Voters deprived of actual choice are left to “send a message”, communicating with their autistic leaders by using the head of the party candidate as a drum.
Coakley was not the incumbent, and I have no idea whether her campaign communicated “entitlement” or “momentum” or “inevitability”, but if voters get to choose between two candidates that essentially prop up the status quo, they will pick the one who at least makes an effort to lie and pretend that he is actually anti-establishment. Sure, it is a scam, but Brown at least moved the Digby-cherished “Overton window” away from the status quo – he might be a fraud, but he sure did more to shift the discourse than Coakley or Obama did.
The lesson is that if nobody offers populist, anti-establishment, reform policies in the election, voters will go for the candidate that offers populist rhethorics at least. If the only reformer look-alikes are frauds, then the frauds will be elected. Let’s see how this plays out with the midterms, I am sure we will see more of this. At some level of unspecific dissatisfaction, incumbency – or even association with incumbency, as on Coakley’s case – becomes a liability.
But of course, all those near-zero-information voters would never want to vote for a clear looser or outlier, so their “protest” will always toggle between one of the two leading contenders. It is amazing that anybody thinks democracy is sustainable.
I gotta agree, and, at age 50, having never significantly voted thug**, I feel freaking duped.
I thought the spinelessness : sell out ratio was 4:1 or 9:1 … it is obviously more like 1:9
** I voted for gwb sr. in the massachusetts 1980 presidential primary – I figured stopping raygun the fascist was a better use of my vote than chipping into the carter kennedy thing — I used to be able to vote in thug primaries in WA. state, it was fun voting for wingnut who’d get trounced once they’d open their flat earth mouth.
HOWEVER, how many times did I vote what I thought was spineless, cuz the other was a fascist?
I’ll ALWAYS vote, but, I’m done voting sell out.
rmm.
90% of “Identity Theft” hits on one’s credit are for false positives generated by the credit bureaus assigning bad debts to a person based on a partial name and partial address match.
How do I know? I fix them. I’ve had to fix 2 of my wife’s, one of mine and half a dozen of my clients.
Yeah, but now we are stuck with Pretty Boy Brown.
Is the message worth it, not for those who live in Mass (in my opinion)
Housing values – LOL
Classic proof of rule 1 for those taking their first course in statistics – namely
“correlation does not prove causation”
As I look around at the “average American political landscape” I see a vocal and apparently growing group wearing hats with tea bags dangling from them. I see %30 of Americans believing that Obama is a socialist. A good many of those believe he is not an American citizen. A quick visit to Daily Kos reveals possibly thousands of people who call themselves liberals who would drop to their knees and service Dear Leader because he is such a wonderful, caring Democrat. My own experience at the local hip coffeehouse puts me firmly in the scorned minority as a critic, from the left, of his holiness the President. If you add up all the right wingnuts plus all the Dems who will worship Obama no matter what, I’d say that is at least 50, maybe 60 or even %70 of the country that basically doesn’t get it. That’s enough to persuade me that Americans are basically pretty stupid.
A few more people than before may recognize Obama as the double-agent that he is. Yet I think the vast majority of Americans are, as usual, confused, disoriented, distracted and clueless as ever. You say the word “corporatism” to them and they give you that “Huh?” look.
Until a BIG majority of the people recognize and fear the Corporate- Washington Alliance, nothing will change.
Very true. That is why I, many years ago, instituted the 3rd primary rule: Any Presidential candidate still standing after the 3rd primary has been vetted, talked to and deemed “non-threatening” to the ruling status quo. They will ALWAYS disappoint.
Excellent point, beautifully stated. Great to be “running with the big dogs” on FDL.
They’re all sell-outs. Where ya gonna go?
Second that. CarolynC is right in that people most often are swayed by a variety of influences in an election like the one in question in Mass.
Why aren’t credit bureaus and others held liable for trafficking in incorrect/bad data? Isn’t it the data version of hearsay? It has real-world consequences as in the Brandon Mayfield case. Besides, it hurts people as in employers who have made consulting it a de facto HR practice (e.g., “EEOC Urges Caution on Unneccesary Credit Checks“). Why don’t all the states ban credit report checks by employers? Here’s a fun fact: Experian was spun off of defense contractor, TRW.
Swayed or suckered?
Agreed. Collusion.
No, rule one is you read the PDF before you post a comment expressing an opinion, or you look like a doof.
But housing prices were dropping precipitously while GWB was still in office. While I think the performance of this administration on all fronts has been poor, I’m not sure I buy the fact that people blame the Democrats for the decline in the value of their homes.
“On the other hand,”Democrats haven’t done enough to challenge Republican policies of the Bush years” was the overwhelming reason given by people who voted for Obama and also voted for Brown:”
Does anyone have a raw number on how many Obama voters voted for Brown?
With Brown getting about 50K more votes than McCain and Coakley getting 830K feweer votes than Obama it still seems to me that the outcome rests largely on non-voters rather than switchers.
This would correlate with other polls that show an energized republican base and an ambivilent democratic base.
How many of these people were using their house a credit card?
Because if they were, it’s as much a testament to the fact that incomes are stagnant as anything else.
Exactly right. As Les Leopold and Ravi Batra has both written, the big story is the wage productivity gap.
From WWII until the mid-1970s U.S. productivity rose year after year as did real wages. The two seemed forever linked. The steady rise of manufacturing real wages created the new middle class. It was the heart and soul of the post-WWII boom. But, starting in the mid-1970s, the two trends decoupled as we deregulated finance and changed the tax code to allow money to flow upwards the the top income groups. Productivity continued its rise, but real wages stagnated and then declined.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-leopold/new-york-times-blames-wor_b_355117.html
Each time the wage-productivity gap goes up, the economy will contract because of overproduction. What they did was come up with a scheme to create debt in the economy because, by creating debt, they could raise demand to the level of supply.
http://www.truthout.org/031609A
For what it is worth, I live in Kansas in a very conservative county. I have a grade schooler, a middle schooler, and a high schooler, and have lived in the district since my oldest was in kindergarten. I assure you, in our school district, our kids get very good instruction and encouragement in critical thinking skills.
That said, when in the seventeen years I taught at the local community college, I always spent a couple of hours on basic rules of logic even though I taught human sexuality, and I did so because so many students did not have these basic skills.
One facet of home ownership is that crime goes down in communities where there is large ownership.
Since about 1974. I remember sitting in the living room of an oil company manager listening as he smugly explained how he had just told the staff that the company couldn’t afford raises. Theirs, that is. In the early 70′s.
Most excellent and you were doing a great service to those kids in your class. Very clever of you to slip logic into your class. :)
OT, definitely, but will maybe cheer folks a bit given the current topic: Guerilla Gardening as recently featured on PBS.
Commented yes, posted no. But hell you do what you want and you will find thousands of others with their head in the sand that you can communicate with.
As for Hamsher sillyness that happens when the blog “owner” becomes , like Huffington, more “important” than the discussion at hand. I understand that it is a pitfall that many, Huffington, Markos etc suffer from. This too shall pass as they realize that they are not the story but mearly the reporter. It is a growing up experience.
Most excellent and you were doing a great service to those kids in your class. Very clever of you to slip logic into your class. :)
OT, definitely, but will maybe cheer folks a bit today: Guerilla Gardening.
That’s hilarious, though there will never be a bumper sticker to top the NRA’s “Charlton Heston Is My President”.
Related to that… Good for Ron Paul, keeping it real (and melting down wingnut brains in the process).
Ron Paul: Barack Obama is not a socialist but a corporatist
That is a delightful bit of cheer
Thank you.
I hope that people remember what Bush’s policies caused. But GWB is not going to be on the ballot anymore.
That may be true, but in the context of addressing the assertion that declining home values are the genesis of the anger and that anger has accrued to the benefit of the GOP, I still don’t think better messaging would abate the anger. These people have lost a great deal of security due to the decline in their home values and are going to find someone to blame. Some will correctly conclude it was the climate of deregulation and non-enforcement of the remaining regulations that was at fault and direct their anger towards people like Greenspan and Phil Gramm. But I’m afraid most will jump to the easy conclusions of FoxWorld and endlessly-repeated GOP talking points.
Obama could have taken the Clinton I-feel-your-pain route, but that only works in the short term and could even become counterproductive when, after two years, the value of these people’s homes does not recover. Then it becomes a case of perceived hypocrisy – if you feel our pain why haven’t you done anything about it? You’re all talk and no action, Mr. President!
So I think it’s a no-win situation for Obama at this point. The one thing he could have done to relieve the foreclosure crisis (the root cause of home value decline) was to give bankruptcy judges the power to reduce the principle on first mortgages, but Obama traded that away, gutting the bill. The fear of having the principle amount reduced by bankruptcy judges would have forced mortgage holders to offer homeowners much better terms in order to keep them out of bankruptcy court. But that bus has left the station for Obama and now he’s left stranded. And I don’t feel a bit bad about that – he deserves some heat for allowing the banks to gut that legislation.
Obama scaredy-banks.
Nicely put, good writing. Kudos.
Matt Taibbi’s excellent article in the current Rolling Stone describes how this same ignorance on the part of municipal borrowers led them down the Alice-in-Wonderland rathole.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32906678/looting_main_street/print
Me too. Pathetic.
Amen.
Yup. What with all the blogs I no longer visit, the Keith & Rachel I no longer watch, and changing the channel whenever El Presidente shows up, I’ve got a LOT of free time.
Ferguson is onto something very important & it’s worthy of considerable follow-up & serious discussion. Good job, Jane. I’m not familiar with him but I will certainly look into his work.
p.s. Please stop railing on the Repubs. The Dems. control BOTH houses & the Presidency; THEY appealed to us on “hope” & “change”. What they’ve done is disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful & they have only themselves, not the Repubs., to blame!!
I swear, I would vote for a Palin/Bunning ticket before I’d reelect ANY Democrat in the Senate.
“Of course, they figure serfs and serfdom does not require a huge amount of education and that education will make the unwashed masses resistant to serfdom.”
*Informing yourself* makes you resistant. Education in the American education complex does no such thing. For example, the Obamacult is, for all intents and purposes, “well educated” in the complex and perfectly literate.
I don’t expect the complex to manage to do much more than produce literate people. Informing yourself, meanwhile, takes time most serfs simply don’t have. Most Americans are worked to death, and when they’re unemployed they’re in deep doo doo with no time to waste.
Everyone else likes the status quo. It’s good for them.
Sorry, Jane, you’ll have to explain your thinking here. The lack of “liberal validators” certainly didn’t slow down Jon’s excellent HCR coverage. Media has ALWAYS had alternative sources to go to IF they wanted to. Isn’t it obvious now why Dems didn’t invite Dean Baker to their summer, ’08 “policy” conference? Obama & team don’t tolerate opinions any nore than “Chauncey”, Cheney & Karl Rove did. Want more evidence? How’re they treating you?