Want to see into the future? Look at the ongoing fight over premium increases for policies on the Massachusetts Connector (exchange), and the effort by the state regulator to control prices, and you’ll get a glimpse–because the health care plan just put into law would effectively replicate the Massachusetts health care system in every state. What we are seeing in Massachusetts is a complete failure of middlemen–health insurance companies–to do their main job, which is to use their size to negotiate good prices with providers.
Scarecrow wrote about how what we are seeing is a failure of the whole principle of the market structure and a failure to achieve a utility-style “regulatory bargain.” In an important way, it is even worse than that because it is an attempt to create an second-order regulatory bargain. Instead of the regulator trying to reach an agreement directly with providers, we are trying to use a failing and wasteful intermediary, the health insurance industry.
Mandate and taxes are the same thing
Effectively, the state, through the exchange, has decided to pay providers, drug makers, and hospitals to provide people with health care. The state is paying for this through subsidized insurance and a mandate forcing people to pay for coverage–essentially a poorly designed private tax. Using the power of the government to force someone to pay a certain amount to a private entity is a distinction without a different relative to the government collecting a tax from an individual and then handing the money over to the private entity.
Failure of the private health insurance middlemen
The problem is, instead of the state directly paying providers (or forcing people to pay providers), it is paying (or forcing people to pay) a middleman–the health insurance companies–who in turn give the money to the providers. Having a middleman is not inherently bad if they can add value–in this instance, the main potential value insurance companies could theoretically add is functioning as bulk negotiators to get the lowest rates possible from providers—but, as we see in the “reform” health care system in Massachusetts, the insurance industry has completely failed at this function.
Clearly, it is possible to get health care services and medications for much cheaper than what the private insurance companies are able to negotiate. Looking all over the industrialized world, we see they pay dramatically less for health care and pharmaceuticals. Even within the United States itself we have proof through Medicare that the government can cut out the private health insurance middlemen and do their job much better and cheaper.
The failure of Massachusetts “reform”
The amazing thing is that, in Massachusetts, all parties involved seem to fully acknowledge that the private insurance company middlemen are just incapable of negotiating better rates with providers and drug makers to keep down costs.
You have the Massachusetts Attorney General, Martha Coakley, who launched a massive investigation determining that premiums are not going up because of increased use of services, tests, and procedures, but as a result of relevant providers with too much market clout (i.e. monopolies and oligarchies) increasing the prices they charge much faster than inflation.
The Massachusetts Division of Insurance rejected the private insurance premiums increases. The top two reasons they cited were about insurers failing to negotiate sufficiently good reimbursement rates with providers. (via Think Progress)
•The disapproved rate filings failed to illustrate how the carriers pay similarly situated providers differing rates of reimbursement based solely on quality of care, mix of patients, intensity of services, and geographic location at which care is provided.
•The disapproved rate filings failed to demonstrate that carriers have renegotiated provider reimbursement rates;
Amazingly, you even have top insurance companies in the state admitting they are powerless to fulfill their main function of negotiating lower bulk rates from providers.
Officials at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, the state’s largest health insurer, acknowledged that insurers pay some hospitals and physician groups far more than others, mostly because they have to. Andrew Dreyfus, executive vice president for health care services, said hospitals in high demand or serving geographically isolated populations can hold out for higher payments.
This is an important revelation. The insurance company is saying that hospitals are powerful enough to essentially set their own rates. It is an admission by insurers that they are a failure at their main justification for being part of the system.
Either cut out the middlemen or seriously narrow their job description
Since the private health insurance middlemen have proven a market mechanism (exchanges) will not hold down cost because insures have failed at their job of negotiating lower premiums with providers and drug makers, there are two potential solutions.
First is to just completely cut out the wasteful, failed middlemen. Have the government directly negotiate rates and pay providers without an intermediary. Medicare has shown the government can do this much more cost effectively. Either you go with a simple single payer system, or a strong public option. A strong public option on a properly risk-adjusted exchange will eventually either relegate the ineffective private insurance companies to niche status if they can’t adapt, or force private insurance companies and/or providers to come to an agreement so they can actually hold down costs. Non-profit insurance HMO’s that are technically providers because they own their hospitals and clinics might be forced into being competitive.
Barring attempts to completely cut out the middlemen, the other option is to strip away their major function using all-payer, like in Switzerland, Belgium, Japan and basically every other “private” health insurance system. This requires a centralized reimbursement negotiator for all non-fully integrated HMOs. It can either be the government negotiating the rate directly, or overseeing a regulatory cabal if all the insurance companies agreed to appropriate rates with all the providers. This, in effect, would reduce the private insurance middlemen to a much more limited function that they might do better than the government, such as costumer service, bill processing, fraud detection, or float management. This is roughly the function served by the non-profit insurance companies in Belgium. Of course, if reduced to this minor level of usefulness, it would be impossible to justify anything less than a 94% medical loss ratio.
Conclusion
This is not complex economics. In fact, the Obama administration and their allies have tied themselves in logical knots trying to avoid the conclusions reached by the available data. It has been evident for years looking at the federal employee insurance exchange that a regulated market of private insurance companies without all-payer will not bring down costs. We have seen in Massachusetts that the planned system of reforms has failed. Independent study and even claims from major insurance companies make it clear that these middlemen simply can’t perform their assumed added value function of negotiating lower rates.
Every day we avoid adopting real reform, we waste billions of dollars on a broken system. The Massachusetts experience shows us the new law will not solve the underlying cost problems. The question is how many years and how many billions we will waste on this “reform” plan we know will not work.
Harry Reid (D-NV), Michael Bennet (D-CO), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), and Jeff Merkley (D-OR) implied that they might take a step toward real cost containment reform by having a vote on a public option in a few months. We will know very shortly how serious they are if we get proper reconciliation instructions in the upcoming budget resolution.



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Duh.
The only joy from HCR is that it provided an excuse to send scathing emails to my D reps & sens about how bad it was. Hinchey and Schumer answered me, and I answered back that I wasn’t interested in, or fooled by their talking points. That they must have plenty of free time to bother sending such garbage around.
Posters at Crooks and Liars were criticzing Jane today so, I had to defend Jane from these attacks. Here is what I posted in Jane’s defense today at C&L:
Note to Faux “Progressives”—–Jane Hamsher is Fantastic!!!!
There should only be more Jane Hamsher’s on the “liberal” side!
Jane Hamsher so wonderfully points out the phonies, frauds and hypocrites in the Democratic Party who posed as “progressives” and so-called “liberals.”
Jane Hamsher is FANTASTIC and knows what she is talking about regarding these Weimar Democrats and all the phony/faux liberals/progressives claiming to be for liberal ideals when in reality it’s not the case at all!!!!!
As Jane wrote on January 30, 2010, “Cenk Uygur had Debbie Wasserman-Schultz on the Young Turks yesterday. Now that only 50 votes are needed to pass a public option in the Senate, guess what? They magically disappear:
She was also pessimistic about the idea of including the public option in the new proposed reconciliation bill in the Senate:
“We don’t have the votes for the public option in the Senate.”
“Now, remember we were told earlier that the Senate easily had 51 votes for the public option but that we needed 60 votes in the Senate because of the big, bad Republicans. Now, all of a sudden we don’t have 50 votes. If it only needed 40 votes, or 30 or 20, we still wouldn’t have it. Why? Because the corporations run the place. The rest is all smoke and mirrors.”
Jane stated from that quote:
Remember too that these “fiscal conservatives” are supposedly worried about the cost of the bill, but they would rather pass the wildly unpopular excise tax than vote for a public option which actually saves money (even Schumer’s weak “level playing field” saves $25 billion). And now that we’re all worried about losing seats in swing districts? Well, a bill with a public option in it is more popular than the Senate bill without one — even among Republicans….So, the Senate wants what the lobbyists tell them to want, and all the rest is kabuki. One more time, here is the list of 51 Senators who say they want a public option. Biden would make 52. What’s stopping them now?….Here is a list of the 51 Democrats who said they support a public option….
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/30/d...
Too bad if the phony liberals/progressives cannot handle Jane’s apt criticism of the sellout Democrats. She was spot on in her post I mentioned above and has been correct most of the time regarding the awful Health Insurance Reform Bill.
Jane is not the Problem either–It’s the Spineless Democrats and the useless, center-right, Obama White House, also pandering to White America and the Republicans at the expense of true leftist policies. Obama has only continued Bush’s war policies and the same corpotate agenda of bank bailouts and education cuts and phony attempts to boost the economy. Malcolm X so eloquently pointed out how empty liberals were and they have proved it once again giving the Imperialist Barack Obama and his administration a free pass after free pass. So, if you dsilike Jane, it just seems that you have a very short-sighted and partisan view of politics and obviously lack the ability to see things in a structuralist or class analysis view. Obama’s latest phony attempt tp reduce nuclear weapons is more deception from the King-in-Chief, which any true leftist would have serious questions about, and not free pass forever from criticism.
Again–Jane is Fantastic and it’s time phony “progressives” understand that no leader is free of criticism–not even Obama!!!!!!
I’m for cutting. (have my knife right here)
What was the crux of the criticism?
Finally, someone making the distinction between insurance and health care — the two are not synonymous, despite the great flurry of rhetoric attempting to paint them so. Why aren’t liberal politicians out on speaking tours teaching this very simple concept, rather than arguing and defending profiteering, stupid policy, and party politics, all the while leaving their dumbfounded constituents to toil in their misgivings? Perhaps, if they had, single payer would have been passed at the get-go and the spiraling costs, perpetuated by glorified corporate accounting schemes (insurance industry) and monopoly drug manufacturers, would already noticeably be nosing downward toward sustainable affordability — ya know, through actual marketing, as oppose to faux marketing.
If being a fanatic is expecting a party to deliver on a part of their party platform when they control the presidency and House and Senate will large margins
Link?
They say Jane is a “faux” progressive and sleeping with the enemy.
You can go and check the thread at C&L regarding “Sean Hannity predicts Obama will go down as worse president in history……”
There are comments from posters at C&L which are anti-Jane Hamsher in their criticism and say they don’t like her.
These same people liked Jane I am sure when she was for Ned Lamont over Joe Lieberman.
Frankly, Jane is spot on regarding these Weimar Democrats and I find her to be soooo refreshing….
I never trusted C&L totally anyway and that site is never holding the Democrats honest or to account on any real “liberal” policies.
The only site of its kind to hold the Democrats honest is here at FireDogLake.
FDK—is CREDIBLE unlike all the other faux “progressive” sites.
What is the incentive for the middleman to negotiate better rates? Doesn’t he or she get paid based on the amount and profitability of policies that he or she sells? Maybe they are looking at it upside down. Maybe the middleman should be paid based on the amount of money the customer SAVES by going through said middleman. I mean, it seems like the weakness in the system is that the middleman is in charge of his or her compensation essentially. What keeps the middleman from selling policies and telling the customers, “Hey, you got a wonderful rate, the BEST I could negotiate”, while pocketing the difference?
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sean-hannity-predicts-obama-will-go
Doesn’t matter if the Mass. system fails folks. This was never about providing Health services at a decent price. It was all about allowing another Industry to latch onto the taxpayers and integrate themselves into the system in way they will never be removed short of being Nationalized. It’s part of the Corporatist take over of every major part of Gov’t. Mission Accomplished!! if anyone here really believes the Dems. care about what is happening in Mass. your deluding yourself.
Jon – can you clear something up about the mandate for me?
In the bill, it clearly spells out the mandate. Says the IRS needs to collect data, leaves up to the commissioner how to make the form, and so forth. It also says it amends a piece of the IRS code.
In a rebuttal to me, Jason provided this link [pdf] http://www.jct.gov/publications.html?func=startdown&id=3673
And it says:
So what’s the deal with the mandate? Is it a fake mandate, or a real mandate?
They are accusing Jane of being in cahoots with the Rs? Related to collaborating with Ron Paul to audit the FRB? Or Grover Norquist on other issues? Gee whizbang, I guess they can’t distinguish issues from tribes. No surprise there.
It’s rampant at Kos, though they don’t make any bones about their partisanship. They are in business to elect DEMOCRATS, they say BETTER Democrats but in the end, all that matters to them is whether they sport a “D” or an “R”. They seem quite eager to support Charlie Crist if ONLY he’d take the D instead of the R! I like it here where it’s the issues that count.
Without penalties, it would seem to be fake. However, without pressure from lefties to be scofflaws, unlike pressure from wingnuts to be scofflaws on the census, it is probably a real mandate as the vast majority will probably comply out of fear.
I know that. I was trying to peel back the layer for one moment.
Strangely is it is “ok” for Obama to try to work with Republicans to achieve his goals but if Jane does it that is a massive betrayal.
You beat me to that.
Obama is a FIREBAGGER!
It is far “easier” for people to just “go along” with whatever a President says than to question it (especially when you voted for that President). Therefore, we are now seeing the same “blind faith” in a President from people who call themselves progressives as those who blindly followed former President George W. Bush. There are websites that I no longer visit because of the “cheerleading” for this administration (Huffington Post, DailyKos, etc). I was especially taken aback by Arianna Huffington’s sudden about face and push to have the health insurance reform bill passed. If some of these websites are unwilling to ask the hard questions about this administration, they aren’t worth my time either.
VERY good point. Attend the book salon I’m hosting on Sunday evening. It will explain this irrational behavior. Spoiler alert: alpha male.
Second that. Jon Walker makes a good point.
That’s better than being a progressive who sleeps with false friends, IMO. There are quite a few “progressives” who are allowing themselves to be on the receiving end of very vigorous “relations” with this administration.
Like many tumors. Incurable.
Hell, if Jane holds out for the more PROGRESSIVE options which they claim to support, she is guilty of massive betrayal. Count me in as a firebagger.
Well think about Jackson-Hewitt, H&R Block and TurboTax and your garden variety tax preparer.
They all compete by claiming to get you the lowest tax bill. If it’s not enforceable, there’s no risk to not pay. If you game your W-4 so that you end up with a tax bill instead of a refund, you would never have to pay the mandate penalty.
FDL—is CREDIBLE unlike all the other faux “progressive” sites!!!!
Well, I know it Jon. Jane is correct in my view most of the time. I cannot see eye to eye with anyone 100% of the time but come close in this case. I will continue to defend Jane when I see others attacking her for no good reason.
Jane is into consistency and holding these Democrats accountable when they sellout their loyal base. The reason these Tea Party people have risen up is because of the free passes given to the Obama White House by these so-called “liberals and progressives.”
I am sure the likes of C&L and those who comment there saw nothing wrong with Rahm Emanuel calling liberals “f***king R****ds…..Any “liberal” worth a damn would have been ourtaged at a comment like that.
It appears that many of these “faux” progressives just care about being on the winning team/side and do not analyze the issues in a careful or thoughtful manner. It is also obvious that many of these phony “liberals” who give Obama/Democratic Party free passes after free passes lack the ability to see things from a class analysis or structuralist point of view.
The late Howard Zinn was very, very critical of Obama and these Dems
Noam Chomsky has been very, very critical of Obama and these Dems
Daniel Ellsberg has been very, very critical of Obama and these Dems
I guess to the likes of C&L, people such as Zinn and Chomsky are not true “leftists” and are “sleeping with the enemy.”
The left was critical of LBJ and his war in Vietnam—too bad today’s liberals who follow Obama with blinders forget this……Same thing with Martin Luther King, Jr–he also turned on the LBJ White House regarding the Vietnam War.
We’re talking about DEMOCRATS vs PROGRESSIVES. Though there is some overlap when it is convenient, I submit that mainstream Democrats have more in common with teabaggers policy wise than they do with actual Progressives. Though it didn’t shut them up, HIR is full of Republican policy and has little or no Progressive representation. Think about it.
That’s not their job, and never will be. They get a percentage of the gross, so they will never be interested in controlling provider costs.
Their job to to manage risk and average it out over their customers. Because they have many pools of insureds, they’ll never do a decent job of that either.
Yep…..I agree.
I still say, that without massive publicity on the lack of penalty of not complying, most will comply. Do you really thing that H&R Block & TurboTax are going to risk their franchises by advising customers to be scofflaws?
I went to H&R Block one year and when they did my taxes, it came out exactly the same as when I did my taxes, except now I owed them a fee. I haven’t been back. Similarly, I would trust myself long before I trust a broker to decide which health policy I need and can afford. And I almost failed math.
Good insight
That is exactly why FDL is a much better website. The “issues” are explored. Yes, there are writings about Republicans, but usually because of egregious behaviors. However, I don’t see as much of the us vs. them, Democrats vs. Republicans type comments here. It seems the independent thinkers who are able to use cognitive thinking skills on all of the issues are posting.
What do you think they do now? LOL!
Simple: eye on the ball. Outcomes the only goal, doesn’t matter who can achieve them.
Exactly.
I have never trusted the Republican Arianna Huffington at all…..She has always been nothing but a power climber…..
Huffington all of a sudden likes the Obama people when many of them were also Clintonites? Huffington despised the Clinton’s yet Obama has some of those same people around and in his administration.
Arianna Huffington is not and I have never seen her as a “true leftist/progressive/liberal” etc. just because they say so on those awful cable political talk shows.
Nope, here it’s rational policy versus ideological dogma.
Arianna Huffington is a publicity hound. If she is on the side you prefer, fine. Otherwise not. Simple as that. She provided a useful foil during the W years when she was invited on the MSM to speak out against him.
Can’t you have both a specific ideology along with rational policy choices to go with it?
and of course to gain more publicity…….
I wonder who funds Arianna? I know it is not Harken or Halliburton, but, I am sure she has strong financial backers.
Check out her ads. Send her an email asking for more detailed info.
Not at Daily Kos apparently. There policy may be important from time to time but it always takes a back seat to the issue of which party is advancing it. Bad Democratic policy = good enough to enact while good Republican plan = …. Actually I don’t know how a good Republican policy would be received there as that hasn’t happened in the last several years.
You can…example FDR. I think that is what many people “expected” from President Obama and in part why many have been “taken by surprise” over his actual policies.
HuffPo gets three zillion hits a minute. Plus they have celebrities and Arianna is a star. Jane Hamsher has had lots of posts there. But not Jesse Ventura.
Wayne Madsen’s take on Arianna Huffington:
“In the mid-1990s, this editor was speaking at a conference at the Queen Elizabaeth II Conference Center in London (ironically, where the Chilcott Inquiry is now grilling members of the Labor government over the Iraq war). A well-dressed man in a three-piece pin-striped business suit caught me during a session break and asked me if I knew Arianna Huffington. I knew she was a conservative maven who was linked to Newt Gingrich and whose husband, Representative Michael Huffington (R-CA), had left her for his gay lover but beyond that I had no other information. The man, who said he was from the Home Office, very probably MI-5, said that his office had its eye on Arianna since she arrived in London from her native Greece and had attempted to involve herself romantically with members of the royal family, including a few of the sons of the Queen. The gent, who never gave his name, said America should be wary of Arianna as his office had concluded that she was a “curtain climber” who was trying to get into the halls of power. London had failed for her, the man said, but he felt she was doing the same thing in the United States. Huffington abandoned the Republicans for the Democrats. Her friend Newt Gingrich was replaced by her new friend George Soros. The man from MI-5 was right on the money after all…..”
This is entirely predictable when you legislate a CAPTIVE MARKET – of course the rates are going to go up! All you have to do if you’re unethical and want your policy passed is to hire someone like Gruber to shill for you under the veneer of being a neutral academic observer while at the same time you have someone like Gruber who also happens to work on healthcare scoring with the CBO so that you can completely game the system.
FDL is one of the few honest political websites out there. I don’t consider myself a progressive, but I see Jane and Greenwald as the most intellectually honest non-hypocritical out there. Nothing sickens more than to see someone claiming they’re heartfelt belief is against doing X, but then they cheer, support and come up with excuses when someone of a different party (this time their own) then goes and does X. I still haven’t reconciled with how to feel about Kucinich – not that I held his beliefs, but I thought I could believe in him as a person that he would tilt windmills in the cause of doing what was right instead of caving in to the worst part of DC.
Jesse Ventura’s article was censored by Mrs. Arianna Huffington…..
Whether one, agrees, or disagrees, with Jesse Ventura regarding the attacks of September 11, 2001, he is correct that nobody can question any aspect of what happened that day and how it was allowed to occur.
It is also true that the Huffington Post endorsed censorship by removing his article as well.
I stopped going to HuffPo several months ago. I miss some of the writers but their penchant for sensationalizing headlines to get hits and their random, inexplicable moderation of comments drove me away. Same with Glennzilla. It’s a wrench for me to reconcile my extreme like of Greenwald’s writing with my intense dislike of Salon.
Yeah, I am not a fan of Joan Walsh at all…..
Greenwald is great though!
I know. I did a post on it. Clearly they were gagged. But they did leave the comments.
Presumably they can still withhold it from any refund due. Almost makes working naked on a 1099 basis a little more attractive.
As long as they let Jane post there, I will not be too critical. But we do have some cognitive infiltratin’.
Right – and that will be a lot of the people who are in the “mandate” class, no?
I don’t need stars/celebrities to tell me jack about politics or economics.
I am in fact soooooo freakin tired of America’s low-ball entertainment culture…..I don’t even watch Bill Maher’s lame show any more either and never watched with regularity–Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert.
I have no use for American TV, Movies, or Pop Music at all.
People in fact should get rid of their cable TV subscriptions and go to plays instead of the big screen. The movie industry is more concerned with special effects than acting and TV cares more about Reality TV than paying actors or hiring those who have creative abilities.
Totally agree with John and Scarecrow about the EPIC FAIL that is Massachusetts (of course not really fail for corporatists. Huzzah!).
However, I think yall should take a closer look at how the provider market has changed. A lot of Mergers and acquisitions, with some providers dominating certain regions or markets. My roommate used to work for one of the California health insurance companies in provider contracting. The rates that providers were asking for were jacked up between 30-50%. They could do so because they basically had near-monopolies in their regions. There really wasn’t much to negotiate.
Basically, Providers and Payers try to game each other but end up ripping the consumer off. We don’t have a choice.
Most of the time I find Glenn Greenwald’s writing very informative. However, I still completely disagree with his position regarding the Supreme Courts decision on the Citizens United case (he agrees with it). But, the following statement he made today is quite astute:
Ironic that we elected an African-American as Presdient to free us from the last 8 years of hell, and instead he makes us into health insurance slaves.
I have found that often an article by a particular writer can be found at more than one site. So, if you really enjoy a particular writer, do a search by name.
*shrugs* I disagree with Greenwald myself from time to time but he is always well spoken and well reasoned and presents his arguments in a cogent fashion, free of ideological bent.
Faux “Progressives/Liberals” whom criticize Jane bring this speech by Malcolm X to my mind. Here is an Excerpt of that very, very long speech by Malcolm X.
Malcolm X on White Liberals:
“….In this deceitful American game of power politics, the Negroes (i.e., the race problem, the integration and civil rights issues) are nothing but tools, used by one group of whites called Liberals against another group of whites called Conservatives, either to get into power or to remain in power…..Among whites here in America, the political teams are no longer divided into Democrats and Republicans. The whites who are now struggling for control of the American political throne are divided into “liberal” and “conservative” camps. The white liberals from both parties cross party lines to work together toward the same goal, and white conservatives from both parties do likewise….. The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative……Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political “football game” that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives….Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball through tricks of tokenism: false promises of integration and civil rights….Let us examine briefly some of the tricky strategy used by white liberals to harness and exploit the political energies of the Negro…..The crooked politicians in Washington, D.C., purposely make a big noise over the proposed civil rights legislation. By blowing up the civil rights issue they skillfully add false importance to the Negro civil rights “leaders.” Once the image of these Negro civil rights “leaders” has been blown up way beyond its proper proportion, these same Negro civil rights “leaders” are then used by white liberals to influence and control the Negro voters, all for the benefit of the white politicians who pose as liberals, who pose as friends of the Negro…..The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it….”
Agreed. What I would like to see is a list of specific people or websites that present exactly that…well reasoned arguments in a cogent fashion, free of ideological bent. It seems there are very few…any ideas?
As for the Private Insurance Middlemen, we have continued a broken system where For-profit insurance companies still control the majority of health care decisions. My question, if the “Massachusetts plan” fails, will other states continue on that same path?
I just reread X’s Autobiography. A giant of a man.
We are not free of ideological bent. I consider myself and jane and other to have an ideology. Just not a blind partisan loyalty that would require a reject of principles.
They have little choice but to do so or try to get a waiver from Congress. You can rest assured that there won’t be 50 of those available.
Well said; when one’s policy preferences are part and parcel of one’s idealogy, I call that “principled.”
And when principle trumps tribal affiliations, that shows conviction.
Crooks and Liars removed the Malcolm X quote I posted, for so-called violating their TOS…..
Malcolm X must be smiling about those white “liberals” over at C&L.
For anyone who still thinks Obama believes or endorses “progressive” causes, just remember his praise of Reagan here–everyone should have this Obama quote taped to their favorite spot in their home when wondering about Mr. Precious. Here it is again:
“….I don’t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what’s different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing…..”
not only that but what Jon doesn’t get is say an insurer was to say NO to the ridiculous increases and the hospital network left their network. What is the recourse? The hospital network gets to charge UCR rates which are ridiculously higher than a negotiated rate.
People don’t get that hospitals are using UCR that was supposed to be a safeguard for consumers vs insurers against the same consumers.
What else could turn a hospital like Bayonne Medical Center that was running at a 15 million annual loss into a $10 million per year profit center. All to make a couple of thirtysomethings from a private equity firm filthy rich. And we all get to pay for it in premiums and they’re doing it using a law designed again to protect the consumer.
http://www.bayonnecommunitynews.com/view/full_story/4163667/article-Moving-ahead-Bayonne-Medical-Center-on-the-mend-%E2%80%93-despite-problems-
the only way to solve it is have the government set rates. or if insurers stopped offering plans with out of network benfefits so hospitals couldn’t use UCR against them.
The most important thing to remember is that health care follows the logic of a hostage negotiation not free market economics. You walk into a hospital with your arm cut off bleeding they can charge you anything they want because there is not amount not worth your life.
I always thought that the intended added value of an insurance company as middleman is that it would spread the risk. Instead, insurance companies try to eliminate risk.
It is all about ideology Jon……sorry, but, that is my take on things…..
The present ideology still going today is neoliberalism/corporate globalization and the smashing of the state apparatus in country after country and state after state.
I highly suggest people read the book by William I. Robinson entitled “The Theory of Global Capitalism” and F. William Engdahl’s book: “Full Spectrum Dominance.”
The central banks have the most power today in the global economic system and we should be looking at things from a transnational view now. Because most people have not caught up to this new transnational system of global capital and how it is so embedded and integrated into thr system, citizens are more than confused.
This is not a right versus left thing, or, even a Republican verus Democrat thing, other than both political parties, agreeing with this new economic model.
This new global economic system must be resisted by the citizens of the world and be analyzed from a class perspective.
That’s a pretty ugly accusation.
Did you perhaps paste the quoted material without a link or a reference? Did you post the quoted material in it’s entirety and in excess of 200 words, and depending on the source, violating Fair Use guidelines?
I have forgotten to link over there and been bounced, and for material far less ‘controversial’. When I re-posted the exact same material and provided a link, it passed muster.
Spread this meme: it’s not left vs. right, it’s top vs. bottom.
True, and the gap-especially at the bottom- is widening at a most rapid pace all over the world……
Good Night!
That function has been taken away with the exchanges now having risk adjustment mechanisms meant to spread the risk across the whole exchange.
Hey, you’re still here.
So what about the mandate thing I asked you? I’ve been trying to reconcile the striking of the “ands” and the “ors” from the Bill to the IRS code, and I still can’t make hide nor hair out of it.
i only wish. obamacare is WORSE than romneycare — and MA was probably the best chance state to make it work (already high percentage of the population with insurance, not shitting regulation, etc). for most other states — expect worse, much worse, than what you are seeing in MA.
It is a complicated mess. The IRS can’t penalize you for not paying the mandate but they will probably not send you any refunds if you owe the money.
Of course the IRS could concluded the first 700 dollars they collect is the individual mandate penalty so you will really go after you for owing 700 in really taxes. money is fungible.
Given that insurance companies have made it clear their top focus from now on will be strengthening individual mandate I don’t doubt for a second in a few years it will get significantly strengthened.
I agree but we are talking about general structure. The best chance to “make it work” is probably Hawaii who will effectively get to keep their ERISA waivered employer mandate system
bingo.
this is massively WRONG — not as matter of theory, but as matter of practical significance. this is because taxes, and the penalties for non-paymnet are a separate matter from healthcare. a person refuses to pay their taxes and there are penalties, but those penalties do not include lack of healthcare, which for some is a death sentence. when a person is very ill, not working, no income and too sick to complete the paperwork to qualify for subsidized insurance, a mandate means no healthcare. an income tax doesn’t.
it’s really really important to separate the payment from the care. penalties for non-payment of taxes are a completely different matter than the penalty for non-payment of an insurance mandate — and that’s the way it should be. it’s called universal healthcare, and it means that people don’t die for lack of ability to pay.
not a revelation — old news. no insurer in MA is going to be able to compete without providing access to mass general and similar. it’s been that way for years.
two things: single payer saves more money because of the administrative costs it saves on the provider (not just insurance) side. second, we currently don’t have a political system capable of of the regulation necessary to make a multi-insurer system word. industry lobbyists have even more power behind closed doors than they do during te legislative process. risk adjustment will be gamed. i wish it wasn’t so, risk adjustment has worked and ought to work here too. but with our current political. that. sadly, is just the reality we have to deal with.
given this reality, a public option in competition (“level playing field”) with private insurance will NOT be real cost containment — except in some neoliberal fantasy land.
i don’t know the situate in hawaii, thanks for that info (i live in MA, so the situation here is the one i’m most familiar with)..
the coverage of the healthcare reform issue in the political blogosphere has generally been pathetic and a real embarrassment since at least the summer of 2008 (see hcan for one of the and possibly the very worst examples. pnhp, on the other hand, rocks.). it’s getting a little better now here (thanks scarecrow and jon) – maybe c&l are just a little behind the curve.
Well put. When I saw the words “float management” I knew that you knew what you were talking about.
Yes indeed… that’s what they are good at… and the cognoscenti know that “float management” is the actual reason that health insurers exist at all.
Jon, thanks for the fonts.
Agree completely.
MA is dying, and so will many more as this charade of healthcare concern continues to erode, fade, and wither away on the backs of those who CAN pay for any of it.
The rest, they just will die.
Sigh.
While I don’t agree with Jane many times, she is a hard working person who is passionate about her causes. And ought to be defended.
However, I think Jon is barking up the wrong tree.
The fault lies in the cost of medical care. NOT the insurance companies.
The cost of a hospital stay in 1997 was about $1200 a day. today, it is about $3200. How do you hold down insurance rates in the face of that?
This, of course, is what was missing from both Mass and the new health care “reform.” No solution to the problem just mentioned, so the problem will continue.
When you solve the wrong “why” you will get no solution.
It is like a car. When it isn’t functioning right, and you replace the this and the that and it still doesn’t run right, you have fixed the wrong thing. The proof is that when you fix the RIGHT part, the car runs right IMMEDIATELY.
You could even have single payer, and if you don’t prevent hospital rates from going $1200 to $3200 in 12 years, you will STILL have a big problem on your hands.
This leads you to conclusion that the leaders of the charge don’t want to solve the basic problem, they just want someone else to pay for it.
The health insurance companies must be destroyed. Questions?
Time to use HIR for ObamaCare? Health INSURANCE Reform? Bcz that’s what Obama wanted and what he got. Some will get somewhat more health care; some will get junk insurance..
HCR is High Corporate Revenues — and that’s what Obama also wanted and got.