Yesterday after AEI sacked David Frum, Bruce Bartlett put up a post about it. Which the DNC promptly sent around in this email:
From: dncpress.dnc.org
Date: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:38 PM
Subject: Bartlett on Frum
To: firedoglake
Key point: “Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if I had noticed any comments by AEI ‘scholars’ on the subject of health care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do… donor community is only interested in financing organizations that parrot the party line…”
http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1601/groupthink-right-would-make-stalin-proud
David Frum and the Closing of the Conservative Mind
Mar25
Bruce Bartlett
As some readers of this blog may know, I was fired by a right wing think tank called the National Center for Policy Analysis in 2005 for writing a book critical of George W. Bush’s policies, especially his support for Medicare Part D. In the years since, I have lost a great many friends and been shunned by conservative society in Washington, DC.
Now the same thing has happened to David Frum, who has been fired by the American Enterprise Institute. I don’t know all the details, but I presume that his Waterloo post on Sunday condemning Republicans for failing to work with Democrats on healthcare reform was the final straw.
Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if I had noticed any comments by AEI “scholars” on the subject of health care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
It saddened me to hear this. I have always hoped that my experience was unique. But now I see that I was just the first to suffer from a closing of the conservative mind. Rigid conformity is being enforced, no dissent is allowed, and the conservative brain will slowly shrivel into dementia if it hasn’t already.
Sadly, there is no place for David and me to go. The donor community is only interested in financing organizations that parrot the party line, such as the one recently established by McCain economic adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin.
I will have more to say on this topic later. But I wanted to say that this is a black day for what passes for a conservative movement, scholarship, and the once-respected AEI
A while back Jake McIntyre wrote an interesting post (for which he was widely pilloried) noting that the same people who supported this bill were those who supported the Iraq war. Not a coincidence. The health care bill is a neoliberal victory, just as the Iraq war represented a neoliberal triumph. As willyloman said in a Seminal diary yesterday, neoliberalism is now being rebranded as populism, with the President acting as chief salesman. But in emails like this, and Nancy Pelosi’s trumpeting of the bill’s Heritage Foundation roots, it’s clear that the Democrats know what they’ve done. They have no intention of reversing themselves now. And they are consciously punching the progressive hippies whose messaging and ideals brought them their majorities in the first place.
In the end, as Dave Dayen says, there was one progressive bill that passed yesterday — the student loan reform bill. It was a stunning defeat for the Wall Street banks, despite the fact that much of the savings got cannibalized to pay for the fix in the excise tax. But the health care bill was not a progressive victory. It is Medicare Part D on steroids, with its elaborate exchange network created expressly to funnel money to private corporations — the very thing that necessitated the Nelson/Stupak amendments. The give away of IP rights on biologics to the pharmaceutical companies bears more resemblance to the sale of Russian airports to the oligarchs than it does to the New Deal, and contrary to those embracing the “starter home” theory of this bill, we’ll never get that back. Ever.
There is danger, as David Minzer says, that liberalism is going to be blamed for the flaws of neoliberalism with the passage of this health care bill. That is true. But the larger problem, which David and I were discussing yesterday, is that our language is inadequate to describe the political dynamic. The left-right paradigm is insufficient, in that it presumes everything can be explained within the context of back-and-forth shots fired between political “tribes” that have coalesced within the two party system. But they’re firing past the larger corporate players who operate freely within both camps, whose role is rarely accounted for. And it should be clear by now that they have captivated leadership on both sides, who openly boast about that alliance.
It doesn’t mean that there aren’t meaningful differences between right and left — obviously there are. But the limitations surrounding the current dialectic don’t account for the large and very powerful hand that determined the outcome of the health care debate long before it started. Paul Street quotes Sheldon Wolin from 2008:
“Should Democrats somehow be elected, corporate sponsors [will] make it politically impossible for the new officeholders to alter significantly the direction of society.”
Street asserts that the corporate world placed its bet on Obama in 2008, to stand as its new public face. And as Street predicted, Obama served his purpose and successfully neutralized the resistance on the left that had stood in the way of Social Security privatization. Willyloman is right to note that the jobs bill takes the first bite at that apple — the giant pot of money that Wall Street has been salivating over for years (many don’t remember that Ezra Klein and I were scrapping over White House attempts to start cutting back social security benefits shortly after the inauguration last year). That effort will only gain momentum hereon in.
In the end, the “liberal interest groups” lined up to act as enforcers for the corporate agenda, stepping up to kill the public option. The neoliberal New Republic played the role of leading light just as they did on the war, with Jon Chait throwing the finger to progressives “freaks” who still hewed to Obama’s campaign promises. But this is not a “liberal” health care bill. It fulfills a corporatist agenda, with a few inadequate liberal bandaids thrown in to “posterize” for the bill. But no acknowledgment of those in the middle class who are hurt as the money is ripped out of their pockets and transferred straight into the coffers of corporate players in exchange for a product they can’t afford to use.
Back in December, Marcy Wheeler wrote what I think is perhaps the most important piece of the entire debate, called “Health Care on the Road to Neofeudalism”:
If the Senate bill passes, in its current form, it will mean that the health care industry was able to dictate–through their Senators Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson–what they wanted the US Congress to do. They will have succeeded in dictating the precise terms of legislation.
Now, that’s not the first time that has happened. It certainly happened on telecom immunity. It certainly has happened, repeatedly, on Defense contracting (see also Randy Cunningham). But none of these egregious instances of corporations dictating legislation included a tithe–the requirement that citizens pay corporations to provide their service, rather than allowing the government to contract the service.
This is a fundamentally different relationship we’re talking about–one that gives corporations vast new powers. And the fact that–with one temper tantrum from Joe Lieberman–the corporations were able to dictate the terms of this new relationship deeply troubles me.
When this passes, it will become clear that Congress is no longer the sovereign of this nation. Rather, the corporations dictating the laws will be.
I understand the temptation to offer 30 million people health care. What I don’t understand is the nonchalance with which we’re about to fundamentally shift the relationships of governance in doing so.
We’ve seen our Constitution and means of government under attack in the last 8 years. This does so in a different–but every bit as significant way. We don’t mandate tithing corporations in this country–at least not yet. And it troubles me that so many Democrats are rushing to do so, without considering the logical consequences.
We need a new language to talk about politics, because we’ve just taken an extremely radical step in our system of governance. And we need to start talking about what we have done.



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Three words to add: Co-option.
Assimilation.
Appropriation.
This is what has happened to both parties steadily over the last hundred years. They have been co-opted by corporations which are proxies for the uber-wealthy, acting as firewalls for the same. It’s time to ask why non-human entities with the ability to live forever and the lack of voting power are able to subvert the will of actual voting humans, in order to puncture the legal firewalls and break the proxies.
Good companion read is the cover story of April’s Harper’s magazine “The Vanishing Liberal”
Closing graph: Coming to power when he did, with the political skills and the majorities he possesses, Barack Obama squandered an almost unprecedented opportunity. But it is increasingly clear
that he never intended to challenge the power structure he had so skillfully penetrated. With the recent Supreme Court ruling that corporations are, once more, people, American democracy has snapped shut again–the great, forced opening of the past 130 years has ended. There
is no longer any meaningful reformist impulse left in our politics. The idea of modern American liberalism has vanished among our elite, and simply voting for one man or supporting one of the two major parties will not restore it. The work will have to be done from the ground up, and it will have to be done by us.
Why don’t we just democratize the corporations, Jane?
Quelle surprise! Just like donors to elected Representatives, they want THEIR agenda forwarded.
The notion of a conservative “movement” is a myth. A conservative cult is a reality, however.
Two more humanity defining traits which corporations lack:
empathy and conscience.
twas pointed out yesterday, mayer had a great quote”
“the democrats are now republicans and the republicans are now insane”
that’s paraphrased but clearly true, if reagan and nixon were alive today they would have to fly under the demcratic banner
Incredibly Well Said !
Republicans lack the same 2 things.
meanwhile my family members are still watching the political football game of red jerseys against blue jersey, both sponsored by Wall Street.
Here’s another insight into the workings of the Versaille crowd.
( Poignant.)
Good-Bye
Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
(Paul Craig Roberts was an editor of the Wall Street Journal and an Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury.)
“I was associate editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal. I was Business Week’s first outside columnist, a position I held for 15 years. I was columnist for a decade for Scripps Howard News Service, carried in 300 newspapers. I was a columnist for the Washington Times and for newspapers in France and Italy and for a magazine in Germany. I was a contributor to the New York Times and a regular feature in the Los Angeles Times. Today I cannot publish in, or appear on, the American “mainstream media.”
“For years I was a mainstay at the Washington Times, producing credibility for the Moony newspaper as a Business Week columnist, former Wall Street Journal editor, and former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. But when I began criticizing Bush’s wars of aggression, the order came down to Mary Lou Forbes to cancel my column.”
http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts03242010.html
Frum is a twit. He and his wife Danielle remind me of Michael and Stephanie in the Bob Newhart show. So I don’t mourn for him.
His firing however is instructive. Don’t bring your dissent around here.
As are a very large percentage of the voting public
also well said! :)
I continually have cognitive dissonance when witnessing the news these days. People are behaving like members of political gangs. The BBC is going to start covering the US in terms of the tribalism of less developed countries. Except my brain is saying “hey that guy who rammed the guy with an Obama sticker looks like he could be my neighbor!”
To coin a term, politics is 3D, but the masses see it in 2D. If more people understood the three-dimensional nature — two parties using the optical illusion of a 2D spectrum to obscure the existential hegemony of monied interests — the third dimension — then players like Obama, Bennett, Baucus, et. al., would find it much harder to hide their club’s corporate giveaways to keep anti-democratic control over our government.
I envision a new blog called 3dpolitics.com (domain name parked; expires 4/12/10 for anyone who wants to buy it from whomever owns it), whose entire purpose is to create and elevate the language Jane is referring to.
TS – I’m dense today.
Please elborate
maybe another cup of coffee will do it for me
I think TS means the message from AEI to Frum and others is ‘don’t bring your dissent around here”.
Well said, Jane. Glenn Greenwald has made similar observations. Once upon a time Salon had a better author archive retrieval mechanism and I could have pinpointed the column he wrote which sealed your observation for me. Alas.
We do need a different language. Never has Republican vs Democrat, left vs right, or liberal vs conservative had less meaning than it does now. This is so because the only meaning that is allowed in our discourse is that which fits within the narrowly circumscribed domain of corporate interests and corporate influence. We may have two dominant political parties, but they are both subsumed under a larger entity; the party of Inc.
Whether it’s been financial reform, health insurance reform, energy, foreign policy, or civil liberties, the invisible hand has been replaced by the corporate hand; and, they are not the same. [Anyone who argues differently has not read The Theory of Moral Sentiments.]
What I cannot figure out is what modifications to language, what lexicon invented, what dialectics developed to make the limiting/restricting nature of corporate influence within our political system transparent, and it’s horrific effects on “liberalism” apparent to those who think it’s sufficient to root for a single political “team.”
:) Thanks as the second cup of jo didn’t do it. Frum may well just be one of the more visible if there’s a loyalty based house cleaning going on … suspect it’s occurring on both sides of the aisle, behind the scenes
Yes I decidedly meant indicate that is what AEI and the right said to Frum.
I am a grateful recipient of the grace of FDL’s welcome to dissent. :-)
the gangs are fighting it out while nothing truly changes
Jane, you seem to be the last voice of reason out there. Keep up the good fight.
As for Frum, he shouldn’t be too upset…there will always be a home for him in Rahm Emanuel’s Democratic Party, where being a moderate Republican is the new pre-requisite for credibility and influence.
Btw the umbrage I gave so many a few days ago for using the term “paeleoconservative”as something I just made up. See article on Frum in Salon today
What’s this about?
I suppose initiating mandatory public financing for campaigns is out of the question? That would pretty much solve the problem of money in politics, right?
And at the same time, there have been efforts to dismiss Jane Hamsher and Firedoglake as idealistic and far to the left. Instead, all I’ve seen is a person who embraced a compromise position on health care (one that has had broad support among Americans) and who stood by her position consistently while others calling themselves progressives caved in and embraced neoliberal bullshit as if it were what the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for. The result has been that Jane is one of the few people I have respect for anymore.
They’re bigger donors :(
Here’s a start, relevant to your title: “Human Rights” stands in the way of human progress.
What? All Republicans? And only Republicans? Not IMO.
PCR was an assistant Secty of Treasury in Reagan’s cabinet. He has some interesting things to say, and confessions to make. In my opinion, he is a paeloeconservative leaning Rand Libertarian, upset that things didn’t work out.
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for the most part politics is seen as 1-dimensional – left or right.
Nolan charts try to make it 2-dimensional – with a economic freedom axis and a personal freedom axis (the chart is often rotated 45 degrees so the center left-right dashed line is horizontal).
It’s a useful tool for gaining some insight into the two dimensions of policy it measures. I suspect that FDL readers will be very high on the personal freedom chart, but not so much on the economic freedom.
I score as a Liberal centrist today. Previous times I’ve scored nearly libertarian on the liberal side of the chart. Survey questions change over time, as does ones political views.
I suspect that tea partiers would be more in the Conservative side of the chart, with some statists in the mix.
I’m not sure what a third dimension would measure.
Twits on the right, [edited].
What we aspired to with Single Payer was in essence an embrace of Democratic Socialism as aplicable to one facet of the common good. Here’s a term we could own without worrying to much about any of the [edited] distorting it by assimilation.
Perhaps, too much of a taboo to overcome. On the other hand it is replete with straightforward honesty, which given the perversions we are being treated to might actually resonate with those who’ve had enough of Orwellian doublespeak.
But Corporations are people now, and we can’t deny them their voice in an election. They can now spend unlimited monies to endorse a chosen political candidate. I’m sure someone with more smarts than I can cite the recent Supreme Court ruling.
Wow. My family was talking just last evening about how eerily similar this whole thing felt to the Iraq war leadup and the “progressives” supporting that too, almost insulting those that didn’t buy in.
EXACTLY like today.
Well, there is good news I guess. Eventually everyone figured out how wrong they were on Iraq. They will also on health care. The more disturbing question is do they really care. I’d bet the overlap of the two (supposed “progressives” supporting Iraq from the beginning and supposed “progressives” supporting this POS) is quite impressive. I’d bet money on that.
There is definitely something afoot within our two “tribes” these days. Excellent analysis Jane.
Jane, have you read Robert Reich’s piece about a Mad as Hell Party? I think he taps into what you are saying. And, essentially, a big part of the problem is the money in the system, and not just that, but these wealthy politicians really are neoliberals. They are not just doing it for the campaign cash. They are true believers. With the Supreme Court decision in Citizens United it is about to get a whole lot worse, and Obama did not help things when in refusing federal money for his campaign he made the audacious argument that his campaign was actually publicly funded because of his small donations. We really are running against the tide here.
Of course Reich isn’t any help when he next argues that there will be no New New Deal, no great society, the health care plan is republican, but it does inspire an audacious hope because it shows people government can provide a solution….right. Next day he wants Obama to pass a huge jobs bill and open a new WAP. So, he’s all over the map, I think he’s a little shocked Obama isn’t a liberal, but he’s right about the money in the system.
Citizens United.
And that seems to me to be the best place to work to begin changing the corporate control of policy making.
Jane, now that we know that both parties do the bidding of big business, and seeing that our efforts of affecting healthcare legislation did not affect it in any fundamental way, what changes in strategy and tactics do you suggest?
We’ve all worked mightily within the two-party framework and come up with nothing. What will it take to change the system?
The funny thing is, most of the people here are not by temperament or ideology really all that radical. Most are fighting for a return to New Deal liberalism, which itself was fairly mainstream thinking for decades. So there are many people here not all that comfortable with rhetoric like “throwing our bodies on the gears of the machine” in a heroic effort to change a thoroughly corrupt system.
But if we cannot make that kind of sacrifice, whether it’s a massive boycott of the individual mandate, a tactic which I don’t particularly like, but which might, with common cause with the far Right-wing, send a message to Washington. (On the subject of a tax revolt, I personally would prefer a a movement to refuse to pay that percentage of our taxes that goes to fund the war machine — but that tactic has never engendered much support, outside of Quakers and other pacifist organizations.)
What other kind of massive civil disobedience is possible, given widespread citizen apathy and the relentless onslaught on our captured and biased MSM? Educating our woefully misinformed fellow citizens is very worthwhile, I still believe, and it is something that this blog, in contrast to so many others, has been doing since its inception.
What else, beside that worthwhile effort, can be done at this point?
We need creative, new ideas. Anybody have some?
Thank you for supporting dissent.
My wife and I had an interesting discussion last night about the nature of these new “people”.
I’d like to find a district attorney somewhere that has the stones to charge WalMart with murder the next time a lead tainted product poisons someone. Or charge AHIP with Racketeering when they price fix us next year. People are subject to entirely different codes of law. I think if they want to be “people” they should have to pay the price.
I think he is trying to speak to perspective and not a linear spectrum.
That is, if one backs away from the painting of blue dots and red dots competing for space, one sees a great big dollar sign instead. It’s a paradigm shift.
As Jane put it:
The left-right paradigm is insufficient, in that it presumes everything can be explained within the context of back-and-forth shots fired between political “tribes” that have coalesced within the two party system. But they’re firing past the larger corporate players who operate freely within both camps, whose role is rarely accounted for. And it should be clear by now that they have captivated leadership on both sides, who openly boast about that alliance
“We are all neoliberals now.” (Whether we want to be or not.)
Who coulduv anticipated….
OT, but does JD Hayworth (currently on MSNBC) strike anyone else as the slipperiest snake oil salesman ever?
Indeed… As noted by those watching at the time, here’s Max Baucus in all his glory yesterday:
P.S. Senator Kaufman (Delaware’s place-holding interim Senator) speaking on the Senate floor today was ripping to shreds Senator Dodd’s proposed financial regulatory reform legislation (which flew through the Senate Banking Committee “markup” with virtually no discussion or actual markup, in order to get it out of committee, where the public can witness what members are doing and saying, and safely returned to the back rooms for further private deal-making, before being brought to the floor for passage): As pretending to institute new regulatory authorities that in fact already exist, but weren’t exercised, on multiple fronts, by proposing a ‘systemic risk’ committee that would simply rearrange/copy an existing committee created by President Reagan after the 1987 stock market crash, that spectacularly failed to fulfill its intended warning role, and by allowing the Executive Branch to simply decide not to implement, after “studying” the issue, the limited real (Volcker) reforms nominally in Dodd’s legislation.
I’m aware of that strain, but if you read his articles he hews strongly to the original european definition of the term, which doesn’t have much to do with it’s American cousin.
But the reason I linked his ‘adieu’ was to underline the way truth tellers are made to disappear. The degree of public exposure one gets through the MSM, is inversely proportional to honesty and integrity.
Well said and well thought-out, sadly.
he looks like the Joker without makeup.
He’s still second to Limpy Limbaugh.
Re: “The left-right paradigm is insufficient, in that it presumes everything can be explained within the context of back-and-forth shots fired between political “tribes” that have coalesced within the two party system.”
Distinctions between left and right are still important. Let’s not confuse the fact that political culture in the US, and its corporate media, is impoverished by an inability to admit that both dominant parties are controlled by the bourgeoisie, with the fact, recognized in most of the rest of the world, that left-right represents a class division between working people and capitalists. If socialism wasn’t a dirty word in America (even on the left) we would easily have the language to explain the squabbles between social democrats and hardline Friedmanites. A falling out over tactics on the right does not make them our allies or philosophical cousins. It’s the “Dem-Republican paradigm” to encapsulate this that is flawed.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jane Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“The left right paradigm is insufficient, in that it presumes that everything can be explained within the context of shots fired between political “tribes” that have coalesced within the two party system.”
This is of course the problem of a politics arranged in such a way as to eliminate economic demographics and economic self-interest in the process of its expression. The first thing necessary is to break up a ruling “tribe” within one of the parties and allow for coalitions of economic interest, to force those interests with capital but few votes to coalesce with workin folks who do vote…that’s the “progressive” dream anyway. But of course you have been doin’ just that Sister Hamsher, so ya don’t need any help that confuses the issue from old political foot soldiers like me.
I hope, however,that you are not gettin ready to try and pull out of one of the existing political parties before you have been able to develope a base from within that party to take with you. It may come to that in the future, and maybe soon, but I don’t think you’re there yet. Don’t look at the healthcare fight as a loss, because it’s not unless you make it so. There are a lot more movin’ parts to our politics now than there were even 9 months ago thanks in large part to your efforts. And posts like this one elevate the discussion and force the conversants to use the existing vocabulary in new ways or create a new vocabulary that describes a new politics which is of course nuthin but relationships of power. But you need to create a consciousness that there can be a new politics, a consciousness that can be described by the new vocabulary. And this is a most impressive start. Thanx, Sister Jane, you are unbelievable.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION BUT KEEP ON KEEPIN ON…
This.
I would argue that the biggest problem isn’t that the current language of the left-right paradigm is insufficient, but that the biggest problem is that neoliberals and neoconservatives are abusing the insufficient terminology of the left-right paradigm to provide cover for themselves as they sell their bullshit to the American people.
The corporatists have found that the left-right paradigm works just fine for them as they ruin this country.
Here’s my dairy on the “new langage”
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/21901
I applaud FDL’s stake as a place of PRINCIPLES as opposed to party. FDL is better able than a lot of places to sort through developments and analyze them for what they ARE. And dealing with realities (yes its a cliched word) is the future. More to the point, treating PEOPLE (progressive, libertarian, conservative) as individuals with reasons for their views will be the only way. It is immature for any of us to try to deliver knock out blows to ideologies or even parties. People have views for a reason. And AEI, whatever imho, people don’t always work at the same place forever or agree forever. And it doesn’t say too much about any broader movement in my opinion.
Correct. And if you remove those two defining characteristics from a human being, you have a sociopath. So, are we to do battle with incredibly well funded sociopaths? It looks like it. God help us.
Any activity to roll back the absurd ruling? Or is the idea just to make sure the sociopaths are “our sociopaths?” The devil lives.
Somethings going on in Korea.
Thank you; exactly my point. My thought is to simplify the language used to describe corrosive influences by using an approachable visual metaphor. I think this effort would ultimately be harmed by interjecting sound but dense political theory into the new lexicon.
Jane is right: we need a new language to derail another round of Clintonesque triangulation, so that it does not once again mire and malign progressivism and all its promise.
Hayworth oozes smug sociopathy like few I’ve seen on the teevee.
Good catch, pow wow. Simon Johnson adds a bit more here. My personal money quote which isn’t at all cross purposes with Jane’s piece:
It seems to me A) that much of the rest of the developed world has found ways around the problem and B) that the system under construction in the United States isn’t sustainable. The end result will be that the United States will lose it’s position as a leader (very much happening under Bush and now Obama), but that ultimately a rebuilt system will be closer to existing models in others countries.
legislative capture
political capture
the corporate capture of the Overton Window
I’ve been saying for some time that the Democrats are dominated by their conservative wing; that still seems to me true. This is a conservative bill, that’s all. It’s not teabagger-crazy, but it’s still right-wing by all the usual standards.
We need a new language?
How many ways can one say “pass the Preperation-H?”
Please do not ask me what I think of JD Hayworth. You don’t want to know. I couldn’t put it into print in public anyway, he’s that low.
Never believe anything someone who was dismissed from a position has to say. It will only be sour grapes.
Laughable that AEI would have liked the health care reform bill.
As we know, no one liked it. Some small percent were willing to put up with it in hopes of future betters, but no one liked it.
So, right there you know whatever he says is baloney.
My friend Smedley Rankle says, “The first thing that must be done is in the area of style and fashion, as it always is. These dummies in the Tea Party are right to be angry, they’re just angry at the wrong people. Mad at Government? What a waste of time. House Reps and Senators are workers, like you and me. It’s their bosses you need to be shaking your fists at. The wealthy Darling, the wealthy. That’s whom you should be spewing your ire upon. When the wealthy go about in public icy stares should follow them where ever they may go. This must become a fashion. ‘Oh? Wealthy are you? What country did your Daddy rape to gain this wealth? What animal species was wiped out so you could live in a penthouse?’ These must be the questions asked of every wealthy person you meet. The new style is wealth = shame! That’s the place to start if you want to get things changed Darling.”
That’s the next big neoliberal project.
Remember how Obama talked about wanting to “fix” Social Security during the campaign? The fear — a fear which the corporate authorship and ownership of the health care deform process only makes stronger and more realistic — is that his “fix” will be to do what Pete Peterson, Heritage and Cato want him to do, which is to butcher Social Security and toss the trillions of dollars in its trust fund to brokerage firms which will then charge upwards of 30% in overhead costs, as opposed to the less than 1% in overhead spent by SSA now.
Some sort of civil disobedience will be necessary to enable the presentation of the truths of this post to the people at large. Non-violent, yes, but very attention-getting. We need to get huge numbers to compel media coverage.
I recommend (again!( the widespread use of the slogan, “PEOPLE vs. BIG CORPORATIONS. WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?.” This makes clear what the true batlle lines are, and is simple enough to be understood by anyone with a functioning brain cell.
On the legal front, it is clear to me that a frontal assault on the disgusting and illogical concept of “corporate personhood” must be mounted and pursued with the utmost vigor. as such an effort progrsses, it would also reinforce the education effort with the public.
Jane, I hope your will give these suggestions serious consideration. You are our brightest and most visible leaer that still has credibility by virtue of your integrity, and with your recent ascent to mainstream acceptance, there is nobody else in a position to do what you can do. We must go over and around the election process, and appeal directly to the people, or we are lost. There is no way to compete with the big coroporations within the electoral/legislative process, aparticularly after Citizens United.
Posts like this are why FDL has become such a prominent forum for political/social sanity. Thanks Jane!
As I understood the post, Frum said it before he was dismissed from his position at AEI and Bruce Bartlett is reporting it now because Frum is no longer at AEI. Frum didn’t say it because of sour grapes.
It sure would.
Dennis K-for-Kapitulation Kucinich, needs to return his $ to FDL donors right away.
He’s now shilling for the DCCC, and is being featured in their fund-raising letters to potential donors:
“On Tuesday, I … witnessed an historic ceremony in the White House, where President Obama signed health care reform into law. I am pleased to have played a role in helping make this important moment possible.”
Screw you, Dennis. Is this your reward for being our Benedict Arnold? Was it worth it to now be the Democratic poster boy, selling the new illusion that the Obama crime syndicate is really, despite all appearances to the contrary, actually progressive?
I say, get all the money back from these A-holes. Use it to start organizing payback to these turncoat Dems, who have been lying to us for years now, pretending to back our causes, until they are actually in a position to make them happen, then, whoops, they sell us out.
We must demand our money back or be exposed as pussies.
The European version if anything is more pernicious than Rand. At least Rand is up front.
Obama and Rahm are using the Dark Arts
The essence of deception is distraction
Obama done a lot of the following in the 2008 campaign, acts of kindness, generosity, spoke like JFK, etc. etc. all to disarm people suspicions
For example, this turn the people at Daily Kos and other Blog sites into children, eagerly lapping up any kind of affectionate gesture Obama gave them.
The CHINESE call this “giving before you take” the giving makes it hard for the people to notice the taking.
if you make people believe you are honest, at the start of your relationship, it takes a lot to convince them otherwise. (OBAMA always talk like a progressives, to capture their trust)
Obama knows, once he got in the inner circle of the progressive movement, he would be able to cause havoc! United you stand, divided you fall, the corporate elites did not like the United Front the left built during the Bush years.
remember Troy? Obama is the TROJAN HORSE, the corporate elite is trying to use to destroy progressives, and liberals.
How can you hate the person who says “YES WE CAN”?
Once Obama became friends with progressives he learned where to strike and cause the most damage to the movement.
Welcome to the DARK ARTS
We are witnessing the advanced stages of “free market” capitalism dancing with the advanced stages of the experiment in American democracy.
I’m not smart enough to say where this will lead but we all sense various impending collapses. I do think there is a point where “free market” capitalism implodes. But it may be an ever vanishing point we never reach.
I don’t advocate not fighting back.
But there is no winning for us in this fight.
We have to fight and live as if none of this matters. We have to take our own power. We are the ones we have been waiting for. We have to reject the neofeudal model every chance we get: their products, their bargains, their rules, their poisons.
And we have to stop letting them waste our time and our breath.
“They” all have theirs. “They” are dead to me.
If we’re going to be nominating new language in this thread, then I’m going to nominate that we end the use of sexual practice as one big metaphor for power struggle. Interpreting sexual relationships as relationships of power and dominance is responsible for most of the misogyny and homo-loathing out there today.
Furthermore, if your sex life really is one all-consuming struggle for dominance, then you’re probably a shitty lover.
The wealthy do not legislate.
Take Wall Street, – at whose feet would you lay the blame: filthy Bankers or filthy Lawmakers?
This is important, and should be read, digested, discussed, and worked upon by anyone who fights for liberal issues.
huh?
edit:
Libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as municipalities, citizens’ assemblies, trade unions and workers’ councils.[8] Many advocate doing away with the state altogether, while others propose that a minimal, non-hierarchical version is unobjectionable.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
Might be necessary to go back in time for more applicable headings to put up on our side’s banners than an “-ism” of any kind…sounds like eggheaded polysci status distinction talk to plenty of people.
The Enlightenment is still up and running, last time I looked. The salient distinguishing characteristic here at FDL is foursquare for the common goood, the common wealth, the posterity of our shared endeavor, the inexorable historical pull away from competition toward cooperation, the right of self-determination and the improvement of the quality of human existence for all. Noble aspirations, that ennoble those who embrace them. I think most Americans would welcome the chance to be on this side of the barricade…
Yes, there are differences between left and right, but much of that comes from social conservatives and political correctness junkies on the left, and they are the outliers who will never be satisfied by any path that represents consensus, let’s face it. They will have to learn to settle for lesss.
On the other hand, we should ALL be united in our desire to have human beings dictate the future path of society rather than soulless, conscienceless, immortal paper entites, which is what the big corporations are. I think that is where the focus should be.. Onnce humans are in charge, we can go back to rguing about the social issues amomngst those who have blood, feelings, progeny, and mortality.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: Bloomberg Poll: Large Majority of Tea Partiers Hate Socialism, Favor Government Jobs Program
Rape is a crime of violence not sex. The metaphor fits.
In response to fuckno:
Boy, have you got that right. Latest example: the crushing descent into establishment tool of Rachel Maddow. From hero to zero in only a few short months.
Exactly. It’s the last big pot of money left to pillage. It will creat another stock bubble, and then the smart money will once again take it all out at once, and leeave the people with nothing. Then then wealth elite and their corporations can happily move on to Asia and the markets of the future.
I felt that what happens in this health care legislation would unmask the real power behind Obama and the rest of Washington D.C. I just didn’t think it would be so dominant. But then this is the culmination of a strategy that started probably beck when the New Deal was signed.
That said, it’s refreshing to come to this blog and read others who feel the same way and want to do something about it. Indeed, a new political language would help. I just fear that, like much of the health care discussion (and so many discussions before it), such as it was (and they were), doesn’t end up as the proverbial tree crashing in the forest.
Jane — O/T but important:
You’ve talked about the adverse affect the HCR POS could have on down-ticket Dem races. I wonder if you’ve linked that to the upcoming redistricting that will happen after the 2010 census. I wonder how many state might see enough of a swing in the state legislature balance of power to put Rethugs in charge of drawing not only state districts but federal ones. (And if not in charge, at least having a more powerful hand in the process.)
Of course, at the rate they’re going, the Dems are getting so bad that maybe it doesn’t matter at all who occupies elected office at the state or federal level.
Perhaps the terms of discourse should be: for-people vs anti-people (instead of left/right etc.; I’m sure someone can come up with better terms.)
If bills were passed by a national referendum, we’d get what we truly deserve. (If we as a people voted for this insurance bill, we’d deserve it.) Is it feasible to go outside the system and organize a national referendum mechanism or something close? Would take a bit of doing, but seems worthwhile.
How would one straddle projecting a new language with say, supporting progressive candidates in Democratic primaries? It seems we are at a fork in the road.
To The Moderator: What exactly is your problem with me? If these comments are objectionable, how about giving me and evverybody else a clue about why you find them to be so?
We don’t need a new language. We need a new system. This one was designed when communication was carried on HORSEBACK. We’ve come through industrial, telecom, computing, and now internet revolutions and our political system still constrains all of our participation into the pulling of a lever once a year: a lever that has successfully been PRIVATIZED. Influence from the moneyed interests is 24/7. The amount of damage these criminal politicians can do in their 4 year terms is incalculable and this system does not contain a mechanism for fixing itself, outside of revolution. It’s been gamed. The dissillusion for me is complete.
Jane:
Thanks for this post. Right now it its time to sit back, do a few cups of coffee and consider what is happening.
Certainly you are correct – however, I think you’re hitting on an issue even bigger than you discuss. There are so many changes going on as we speak that all impact each other and in some ways reinforce or even oppose each other its hard for us to wrap our heads around them and their significance.
At a very basic level with the rise of the DLC, New Democrats or whatever you wish to call them we have seen the soul of the Democratic Party sold to Corporate America. This is perhaps the easiest chunk of the puzzle to understand – Corporate America knows a nut case when they see it and the social agenda of the New Republican Party simply scares them to death. If they can co-opt the Democratic leadership then its a better fit than the nutso’s in the Republican Party. But, what we are facing is actually way more than just that. As the Republicans have been taken over by the loonies it has moved further and further and further to the right. That left an opening that couldn’t be ignored by the other political Party. To exploit this the established Democratic Party has moved from the center to the right. To make the labels of right and left even more meaningless the press has ignored this shift so no matter where the Democratic elites are that is the left. So, in essence the new left is where the old right used to be! Who knows how long the process will continue but as an older being I’m pretty well convinced that Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford are way more liberal than Obama. Seen from this vantage point Johnson and Kennedy along with Jefferson and Washington are now both full tilt commies.
In this process other things have happened – the big tent of the Democratic Party is shifting and is frankly stretching into oblivion. This is not just Corporate but Social as well. Who, 5 or 10 years ago, would of thought that there would be a so-called pro-life, antiabortion coalition in the Democratic party? Its nuts and frankly can only be sustained by everybody looking the other way for the sake of power and the buy-in and gross incompetence of the pro-choice leadership in DC. Now doubt we will see the formation of anti-domestic partnership, anti-global warming and anti-evolution(i.e anti-science) coalitions in the Democratic Party soon if that hasn’t already happened.
While I have no idea where this is all headed there is one thing I’m certain of – just as Karl Rove’s Permanent Majority died a nasty death and lead to the waco Republican Party of today Rahm Emanuels’s over-stretched big tent is destined to pop one day because a party that supports all sides of any argument is destined to become meaningless.
Obama wants you to believe he is against the SUPREME CT DECISION on Corporate money in elections, he endorse it with his Heritage Foundation Health Care Bill.
saying “YES WE CAN” can buy you a lot friends, who have no idea you are their worse enemy.
One day Obama is bailing out banks, insurance companies etc. the next day he tells us he hates the supreme ct. decision allowing corporate dollars to flow into campaigns.
you can’t serve two masters
Extend the concept and value and principle of “social safety net”. Own “socialism” as a viable alternative to corporatism. Educate ourselves about it. Educate others who now, finally, get that the Dem and Repub party are the same. Educate ourselves and others on the entrenchment of corporatism. Build a coalition. Offer an alternative. Get politicians that are already registered or identify as “socialist” on ballots at all levels. It is a hard decision for many to make. But at some point “FDR” liberals are going to have to get off the fence. Otherwise, it appears to me that they condone it. First small step: go out today and join a “Community” Credit Union. Cancel your membership to corporatism in anyway that you economically can at this point.
Frum is an idiot. And Bartlett is an untrustworthy idiot to be reporting months-old behind closed doors quotes from someone else that support his “view.” To what purpose? Hell if I know.
I have said it before and I will say it again. What these fools in the WH and Congress do not realize is that Citizens United will make them, their roles, and their actions absolutely powerless. They have no clue what is coming. Or they would have acted immediately to save their own skins!
Kucinich was finished the day he tossed his values from the cocktail lounge of Air Force One.
But ~ here’s a light in the dark tunnel ~ if the DCCC needs Kucinich shilling for them, meaning they have *hired* a supposedly progressive-friendly spokesperson … I guess they are having a problem wringing cash from their base. So. Trying to fix this by hiring Kucinich shows they are as craven and empty of true purpose and understanding as the republics.
ceo1 @ 87
“supporting progressive candidates in Democratic primaries”
the whole of the progressive caucus just flat out folded on us, so do we really want to be encouraging rhetorical progressives with donations and shit, just to watch them be assimilated into the corporate legislative hive?
been thinking about it lots of late – esp in light of the HCR celebr-palooza going on in so called progressive quarters
really, just how are they going to positively frame that travesty – ’cause you know they will:
WFIL – we’ll fix it later ! (herein after referred to as the wiffle ball)
“the art of the possible”
“waxing sanguine”
srsly, are they gonna tell us to eat catfood ”cause otherwise Repubs win !’ ??
“The work will have to be done from the ground up, and it will have to be done by us.” Correct and you’ll be fought “tooth and nail” by both Corporatist party elites and their Veal pens. They will co-op , subvert, and openly crush any orgs. ( like ACORN as an example) that gets in their way or actually appears to be an insurgent challenge. They are already treating the rest of us as just another 3rd world colony to be plundered and pillaged and then abandoned. NOTHING is beneath these people NOTHING and Obama is an example of just how determined and in control they are of both parties. We have NO allies either but ourselves. The Unions have been neutered in the 40 yr. class war they have been waging against the middle class and it’s orgs. and structures. The GOAL is a 2 class society and it’s within their grasp. All they need to do now to seal the deal and return the US back to pre-1930 is destroy ( privatize and loot SS and then defund Medicare and also turn what’s left of it to these new TBTF Health Corps. They’ll want Medicare next so they can loot it as well and deny benefits to the elderly. Talk about DEATH panels try DEATH CORPS. they ONLY care about the lives of the elite and their top managers. Oh and we can expect even less help from the so called permanent Gov’t in DC and the States. These entities have been seized and co-oped to the cause as well.
So who are you going to vote for?
Yes, this is what gives me hope. We must *ruthlessly* do this whereever we can. At least it will feel better, for starters.
I have a vision of small businesses ~ cooperatives, probably ~ built specifically to be local alternatives to corporate exploitation.
Look at the groundbreaking CREDO model.
Many people don’t want their taxes spent for this or
that-and they have a vote. But many of us have retire-
ment accounts which invest in businesses who are doing
things we don’t want done. So-to all of you-including
Jane- why don’t we push to get a direct vote on the
businesses (board of directors,COO,President)? The
first thing to be done (perhaps) it to collect data as
to how much $ is “ours” and what businesses it is
mainly invested in. I should add-people also complain
about unions doing certain things with their dues. So where is our say?
We need (must) to adopt the language of populism. It cuts across both parties.
I don’t know. Greenwald writing about Citizens United:
It’s that revolving door that insures a comfortable retirement that I think badly interferes with the heart of campaign finance restrictions.
You didn’t even read the link you commented on. Why should I take your queries seriously?
shalom and ah-men indie. pretty much my only thought while reading it.
having had the privilege of following Jane for a while, was hoping there would be such a post – god damn what a keeper
it is why my kids and slacker friends familiar with her work have conferred upon her their ultimate accolade: Gangsta
Yes, were definitely @ a fork in the road. Look @ how DK, Sanders all of the so called Progressives were neutralized in this HCR struggle. These are good people, they all have their hearts in the right place, but the dynamics of the system are just to powerful and the players to ruthless to be considered as a real democracy anymore. I refer here to what Emperor Tiberius once was over heard saying to someone about the Roman Senate 2K ago in IMPERIAL Rome., “Men only fit to be slaves.”
Looks like that Obama as the Joker poster was precisely prescient.
I want one.
PCR is not a libertarian socialist. He leans or is as I stated a pealeoconservative. culturally and his economics are Randian. The European group of economics that I was referring to .are von Mises etc..
The difference is, the Iraqis got hurt that time. Few cared. With this one, Americans will feel it, and hopefully care.
I agree.
I believe the Democratic Party we used to know and love is dead and all of the King’s horses and all of his men cannot put Humpty together again. I also believe Obama is determined to destroy the left wing of the party by defining us as stubborn ideologues opposed to Capitalism, progress, and the free market. I believe he wants to defeat all liberals and progressives running for election or reelection this fall and in 2012 because he wants to preside over one party, the de facto Corporate Party, whether its members describe themselves as Republicans or Democrats. To succeed in imposing his radical corporate agenda, which includes dismantling the safety net and eliminating public schools, social security, Medicare, and Medicaid, he must define a common enemy and tell a Big Lie blaming that enemy for all that is “bad and must be changed.” We are that enemy and he will do everything possible to make sure we find no succor in the Democratic Party.
Meanwhile, we also face a gathering storm on the right that ironically seeks to define us and Obama as America’s Number One Domestic Enemy because we allegedly “want to destroy freedom by shackling Americans to Socialism and Communism.”
I predict Obama will continue to embrace the right to prove he is one of them as he marginalizes, demoralizes, and demonizes us. At the risk of sounding paranoid, I think his endgame is to drive us out of the country or underground.
What do we do?
I believe our political and physical survival depends on forming a third party as soon as possible with an inclusive and practical common sense agenda based on the Golden Rule and progressive values that we know from polling information the majority of Americans support even though many of them do not know that are “progressive.” For example, ending the wars and instituting single payer health care.
Because of the POS Insurance Bail-Out Bill of 2010 and Obama’s fresh and egregious lie last week to parents that insurance companies cannot exclude their children for preexisting conditions, he and the Blue Dogs have presented us with a marvelous opportunity to cram that barbarous lie down their fat throats along with all the points in Jane Hamsher’s Fact Sheet and Jon Walker’s The Death of the Public Option: After Parade of Lies, Democratic Leadership Now Stands Naked.
Y’all know I favor forming a new party called the Rose Party, a name without baggage that does not lend itself to demonizing and dark conspiracies. I’ve written a 50 plank platform and now I’m writing a book about it. Just doing the best I can to save our precious heritage and our sorry asses from Obama & the Reapermen.
There is someone out there who has been framing this issue correctly for years: David Sirota, He frames issues as being between the Corporate Party and the People Party, which is far more accurate and meaningful than Dem vs GOPer. Simply using the terms Corporate Party and People Party has the power to change the dialogue and prevent the neoliberals from hijacking the language of progressivism. Try it for awhile, you’ll like it.
But in the meantime, the only way we have of fighting neoliberalism is through the primary process. No politician is going to listen to or act on our priorities until we have the power to kick them out of office at will, kind of like the Club For Growth on the right. Politicians must learn to fear us before they will respect us or our opinions. As they say in the movies; “You’ll get a lot further with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word.”
So contribute to Bill Halter in AR so he can take out Blanche Lincoln and let us also bring down Sen. Bennett in CO for his blatant cynicism in raising money off the Public Option and then tossing it overboard at the first opportunity. Make these Corporate Party assholes pay with their jobs. It’s the only way forward that makes any sense to me other than reviving the violence of the Grange movement.
I read the link and have read PCR for years. including most of what he has written recently. And I agree with much of what he says. But there is more to his ideology.
I am less dogmatic than my writing appears. Those are simply my opinions. And Lord knows I am wrong often enoughl
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“Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it. “Free market economists” are paid to sell offshoring to the American people. High-productivity, high value-added American jobs are denigrated as dirty, old industrial jobs. Relicts from long ago, we are best shed of them. Their place has been taken by “the New Economy,” a mythical economy that allegedly consists of high-tech white collar jobs in which Americans innovate and finance activities that occur offshore. All Americans need in order to participate in this “new economy” are finance degrees from Ivy League universities, and then they will work on Wall Street at million dollar jobs.”
“As an economist, I am astonished that the American economics profession has no awareness whatsoever that the U.S. economy has been destroyed by the offshoring of U.S. GDP to overseas countries. U.S. corporations, in pursuit of absolute advantage or lowest labor costs and maximum CEO “performance bonuses,” have moved the production of goods and services marketed to Americans to China, India, and elsewhere abroad. When I read economists describe offshoring as free trade based on comparative advantage, I realize that there is no intelligence or integrity in the American economics profession.”
“Americans have bought into the government’s claim that security requires the suspension of civil liberties and accountable government. Astonishingly, Americans, or most of them, believe that civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process, protect “terrorists,” and not themselves. Many also believe that the Constitution is a tired old document that prevents government from exercising the kind of police state powers necessary to keep Americans safe and free.”
Much to disagree with?
Crystal Bowersox?
Sic transit gloria Nader 2000 CE.
Veal Pen, from “Overreach and Inequality” here http://www.oftwominds.com/survivalplus.html
“9. The State/Elites seek to counter these growing imbalances by extracting more from the
productive class via taxes and “theft by other means” and masking this rising inequality by
manipulating the politics of experience via relentless mass media propaganda.
The goal is four-fold: nurture complacency and fatalism in the citizenry; divert their attention
from the concealed parallel system that benefits the Plutocracy and State Elites exclusively;
legitimize simulacrum democracy and delegitimize protest.
10. To keep the State dependents passive and unthreatening, the Elites/State placate this
class with “bread and circuses,” State-funded entitlements paid for by raising taxes on the dwindling productive class. Under the guise of entitlements, the State (and the Elites who control it) has in effect bought the passive complicity of its dependents in the Elites’ growing dominance of national income and wealth.
in thinking about the coming social security atrocity – was just now thinking of him as Nicholson’s Joker –
…wait til they get a load of me
(snip)
My son, at age 16, had it correct two Fourth of July’s ago… The last three Fourth’s in our fair city, Exxon has been the sponsor of the Finale to the fireworks.
A finale on a day of celebrating democracy and independence that came off as giving the impression of celebrating the death of the Republic and democracy.
A finale of fireworks to the music from the Immolation Scene in StarWars Revenge of the Sith. The music track is called Anakin’s Dark Deeds and is the scene where Anakin exterminates the Jedi and Palpatine’s announcement to the Galactic Senate of his new Galactic Empire and his self-proclamation as Galactic Emperor is made.
My son asked us to leave the fireworks because he felt strongly that there was a message being given and people were missing it. He was offended by the music choice for the fourth of July. We were too. He wondered what was wrong with a finale to something like Stars and Stripes Forever or The 1812 Overture?
So perhaps, Star Wars language would be the best new language.
So, has someone, a Sidious type, given Order 66?
There is a difference?
I joined a small movement in my community. We are going to our small businesses and encouraging then to give a discount on purchases with cash rather than a credit card. They are giving themselves and their customers an alternative to not giving “too big to fail” banks more money. Most customers do not even realize that businesses have to pay credit card fees with each credit card transaction. Even if it is 10.00 spent at a coffee shop, pay cash so the business does not have to pay the transaction fee. If you can pay cash even at the 50.00 level to, say a local hardware store, rather than use a credit card, it will help that small business.
Left and right are positional but not descriptive. If the left is concerned with those who lack power – for cultural (discrimination), economic (money influence) or political (legal exclusion) reasons – and are trying to gain it, and if the right is concerned with those who have power and want to preserve it, the left is perpetually at a disadvantage regardless of the content of policies. But that is the way left and right are used in common parlance and that is the political situation of the left, no mater how you want to define it. Adding in the dimension of libertarian-authoritarian helps positionally and at least has some vague description.
There is a simple-minded model of current society that goes something like this: the economic is the tyrant, the political is the ally of the tyrant, and the cultural is the victim. Genetically cross this model with Lakoff’s daddy state and mommy state paradigms of politics, and you have the classic model of a dysfunctional family, which also has been a common metaphor. Clearly stated, the model says that economic power tyrannizes the value system (“it costs too much”, “it doesn’t help business”), political powers as the co-dependent partner works to keep the cultural children under control through pretending that the tyrant isn’t a tyrant. The cultural institution children meanwhile behave in all the myriad of ways that children behave: being the “good” child; acting out; attempting to mediate; withdrawing, … As an exercise, make a chart with the categories of child response in dysfunctional families and plug in examples of a specific cultural institution that manifests that behavior. For example, the corporate media have been the “good” child; universities have attempted to mediate; the folks at Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, KS have acted out. So where in this do the liberal special interest groups in DC fall?
We need some new language that allows us to analyze the political situation (and no, I don’t think Marx had it nailed). To analyze, not to self-label. I’m content self-labeling as a progressive, liberal, non-parochial, ecological, civic-minded, democrat.
Cause all anal sex is rape?
That’s the only premise you could possibly be relying on at this point.
The rational part of your mind is surely aware that rape has to be like .1% of all the anal sex that transpires in this country.
But the part of your mind that sees sex as dominance assumes that anal sex would have to be about rape, cause why would anyone ever consent to it?
I don’t see how you’ve helped your case.
see my #109
I can agree with most of that. However his nativist roots I think show even in this.
As to the premise. Of course every worker understands that expanding the labor market to include desperately needy workers who are not agonized is intended and does lower wages for all workers intimately. They recognized it when the NE US industries moved south and they certainly recognized it when they moved further south to Mexico.etc. Don’tell me the economists and the Masters of the Universe didn’t notice also.
It was done anyway because they could and were enabled by our political system and the people we elected to run it.
Personally I wonder why Mr. Roberts is so alarmed at something that has been obvious for ever really but in this country for at least 40 years.
Greenwald is a friggin genius isn’t he? he’s so right. Let’s not allow Obama and the phony Dinocrats to divert us into a completely fool hardy attempt to get an Amendment to the Constitution to get around this ruling. With the Roberts CT. and the Corporatist on top it’s never happening. They’ll just go around us. We need to focus on other avenues of resistance.
Cool
Excellent post, Jane. Thank you.
Sadly, the only ones for whom the paradigm is insufficient are those who pay close attention. The rest of the electorate is more than happy to consume – and digest – whatever the watchdogless MSM spews, including the notion that those of us who do watch closely are “the intelligensia” (wicked, wicked, are we).
The crucial first steps in establishing the new language to which you refer, IMO Jane, are (a) the institution of voter consent and (b) the re-constitution of media that truly afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.
Nobody said this road would be short.
The difference, as I see it is that outrage legitimately directed at Banksters is rage misplaced. The government holds the leash, it can make the Banksters heal, or not.
And, yes, educating ourselves on micro-finance is an alternative. It now should be very telling that MF is growing in America, a system that has been valuable and is working for “the poor”, especially women, in developing nations.
Jim Hightower has long been perceptively and fearlessly talking about and documenting the real divide in our nation’s “political” values, between those in Congress and the presidency who serve the corporate haves, and those few who still strive to serve the non-corporate (and small-corporate) have-nots.
His Hightower Lowdown newsletter is superbly researched and written – the latest (linked) edition focuses on Citizens United and what to do about it.
From February’s Lowdown:
I’ll lock arms with anyone who recognizes the Donkeyderm for what it is, and is willing to sacrifice his/her advancement on behalf of their convictions. Chris Hedges, also comes to mind.
Really tired of the word rape being tossed around. Perhaps we can agree that given the experiences of many readers, it would be best not to use it so freely.
Let’s see if I can straighten you out here (so to speak). I’m talking about being used: objectification. Understand the relationship of rape and dominance in say, a prison environment and you’ll understand the use of the metaphor. I’m tired of being the political class’s bitch. So whether the violence is anal, vaginal, or just a plain old brutal beating, being exploited is the issue. I’ll try to lay off the inferences if you think it makes me look unbalanced, that’s criticism I can handle, but don’t label me sick with a Terri Schiavo – Frist diagnosis.
The South Americans started the World Social Forum project, to counter the capitalist World Economic Forum. It has been going pretty strong. Many South American countries have turned to populist leaders during this time, perhaps as a result of projects like this one.
I cannot see anything happening here without that scale of organization and mobilization. Perhaps kicked off by a national conference that brings together the zillions of activists that are wandering relatively aimlessly, certainly powerlessly right now. It would need some high-profile personalities (Nader, Kucinich(? yuk?), Ron Paul(? double-yuk?), Cynthia McKinney, …) to provide focus. It would need us to bury our differences and recognizer the higher common goals. It would need money; we can use the “millions of small-donors” method used by Obama (yuk, don’t even want to speak that name).
One last thing that would help is a Gorbachev within the existing parties, who would somehow coerce the parties to disband themselves. :) Unlikely, however.
Still, if the South Americans could do it, why can’t it happen here?
BTW Jane, fantastic post. My husband and I were having this discussion the other night.
I think watou @ 15 has an interesting take on the language bit. It somewhat ties into the points Marcy made in one of my favorite Marcy posts which you note above.
BTW, thanks for putting up the FDL Health Care Posts box with links. I know I have been a pain asking for either a reposting of Marcy’s Road To Neo-Feudalism or some kind of continued reference to it. The substance of her post will be the way to shape language as we move forward.
“At the risk of sounding paranoid, I think his endgame is to drive us out of the country or underground.” I think your right about this being an end game, but I don’t think they want to drive us anywhere. That’s not their style. It’s uglier. They want to destroy us public ally with humiliation and financial and professional ruin. Remember , they hold ALL the power State and Private. They own 90% or more of everything. This is the beginning of the American Imperium. We saw it start with BV$H vs. Gore. That ruling was the death of our democracy and the Republic. Think Spartacus folks, because we are all Corp. slaves now free only as long as we do as were told and the leash will tighten as time goes on. The Chinese model is where were going and fast.
bad typo. Time ran out. agonized should be unionized
It’s no coincidence that CNN calls itself the “most trusted name” in news, and not the “most trustworthy name”.
The very sad problem with this is it’s an insidious excuse. “He’s a nice person. She’s a good woman.” And we are asked to excuse the betrayal.
These people once gave me hope. No more. They have finished by being as maniuplative and dishonest as those we thought we were fighting. Maybe more so.
I find these excuses to be part of a greater abuse.
If they were good once, they are no more. They help the system survive to do its worst. How can they be good?
I so agree. “Exploited” is a simple alternative. But, god forbid, “exploitation” is “socialist” lingo.
David “axis of evil” Frum has pointed out that the Republicans have backed themselves into a corner. And for that they told him it was their way or the highway.
Frum pushed hard for the illegal and immoral war in Iraq (let’s not forget)
Where will he go now?
I read something yesterday, and can’t find where, sorry, that says that when the Boomers start retiring, we are going to have an employee shortage. It said we will need more Boomers to stay in the workforce or take on second careers. Maybe I’m just paranoid, but it sounded like a trial balloon on why it is actually a good thing for us to raise the Soc Sec retirement age. Of course, now that those retirees have no investments to supplement their SS, they will have to put off fully retiring anyway, but let’s not talk about that when we can push SS reform as a benefit!
I’d like to direct some attention to this document. it’s interesting to me for a few reasons, it seems to be a roadmap of the next stage of the DNC/neoliberal propaganda gameplan. Maybe some will find it interesting too.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/37502#comment-164474
I will lock arms with you anytime Dahling. :-)
We need to toughen up. Using words like rape are meant to focus us on how were being abused. I’m sorry if it offends some of us here because it’s brings to mind awful events for them, however if we start limiting each others free speech that’s a very very slippery slope. Were in a a very nasty struggle and if you cannot handle words then you should re-consider being involved period. Our enemies will use far worse then words and are already using far more then mere words to defeat us,
Have a little sympathy, it won’t hurt you.
Excellent! Yes, businesses feel they must bear this cost because their customers want the convenience and this is what the banks hold over their heads. The change has to come from the customers, from the people. And there is power in keeping those dollars in the community.
Wait – language is being PC’d to death, isn’t that in part Jane’s point?
Rape is not Exploitation, not by a long fucking shot! We embark on that road and before all is said and done Rape will be substituted by Care. Sort, of like Blue Sky initiative
We’re deep in it on SS now, everything you see will be in favor of what the corps want.
:-)
Yep.
It was a featured link at Calculated Risk a few days ago.
Retirement will help some with unemployment – roughly 3.5 million Americans will reach age 65 every year through 2025. Even if only half retire at age 65 that would make up for the new workers entering the work force – so job growth only has to account for unemployed formerly members of the workforce.
As a guy I have to wonder why the only two people in America who really stand up for the public are Jane Hamsher and Elizabeth Warren. Guess that testosterone-courage connection ain’t all it’s cracked up to be.
I would never wish rape on anyone, fuckno, but people, men and women, who have been raped do not use this as an analogy to economic exploitation.
I surely would not put word’s in Jane’s mouth on this issue. Perhaps you should ask her if this is the alternative to PC that she is referring to.
Thanks, but I think Texasdem is right on a certain level. I’m not afraid to use descriptive terminology, but hyperbole can become habit-forming and it tends to push people away. Aren’t those daffodils lovely outside today?
This is a good post. I have for a long time thought it very strange that progressives are put on the far left of American politics. Since when did wanting workable solutions that address real problems become a far left concept? Is social justice, a certain level of fairness in society, really such a radical idea? Is wanting, for all Americans, stable jobs, decent housing, affordable healthcare, good education, and a retirement and old age without fear so outside the mainstream? Is adherence to the rule of law fringe thinking? Our political discourse has descended into little more than name calling. Those who speak the truth are marginalized. They are told that facts aren’t facts. They are merely points of view, and there are many points of view. Liars prosper because their lies are seldom called out, and even when they are it is more often to praise the cleverness of the lie rather than the moral bankruptcy of the deceit.
But if we are to have a new discourse, then we must call things as they are. The Democrats are just as much crooks and liars as Republicans. Both parties are equally corporatist in their philosophy. Both are given over to the looting of the country and its people, for themselves and for the other elites. And they will not stop this until we the people, not only throw them out of office, but into jail.
Ralph Nader makes three.
“Wait – language is being PC’d to death, isn’t that in part Jane’s point?”
It’s beneath you to make such a sloppy argument. Curb your dogma, try to be a better human to your friends.
The next time I am looking for investment opportunities, which is probably no time soon unfortunately, I will be looking at local businesses that I see have bootstrapped and proved themselves to have a market, value, and original ideas.
And if MF is good for the rest of the world … hell, it’s good enough for the people who have been forgotten in America too. Hell, maybe it could help me!
Hamsher/Warren 2012.
“It’s about time for a Change.”
Bless you Jane,
This is surely the best thing I’ve ever read at the Lake. Thanks for the brilliance and challenge defined to haunt us. I’m so often distressed by the occasional (well, too often) non-helpful, shallow, name-calling insensibilities in the comments here, including mine at time. But the depth of your analysis was refreshingly and wonderfully helpfull.
Blessings,
it’s a dilemma. Legal term, vs original meaning. It’s a very potent word, if you can offer up an equally potent substitute I’ll be ok reserving it for sexual violence.
sloppy argument? How so?
Good post. I don’t know if we need a new language so much as we need to stick with whatever we’re using. The far right is constantly shifting meanings of words and what activities are acceptable, and they’re using the media pretty well in legitimizing it all. Is this just a natural trend, or is it deliberately manipulated? I’m tired of waking up to find enactment of something I despise to be a fait accompli.
The word “conservative” is one whose definition seems to have changed a lot. Reading Dave Dayen’s post this morning — A Progressive Bill Passed Yesterday — I thought that a true conservative ought to prefer the changes in this bill to the wasteful, inefficient aspects of the system we’ve been using.
this makes REALLY good sense to me!
No. I don’t think Greenwald is a genius. But I do think he is just apart enough, just absolutist enough, or just iconoclastic enough – without being disaffected, absolutist, or iconoclastic – to connect dots I’d be likely to overlook. He sees through a different lens.
I know it could help my small business, but I am too freaking caught up in the BS of two-party politics. LOL I am actually back in school completing an AA in a “practical” field. Already have a BA and half an MA in “heady” radical theory. Time to put it to practice. I am thinking about building my business as a coop that is women owned and run. Hell I am even going to take advantage of government grants too…while they are still available.
What a great advertisement for the Hightower Lowdown! I’m dying to know how this piece proceeds. Thanks.
I don’t know, fuckno. Maybe we can come up with one together. “Abuse of Power”?
What Glenn doesn’t *get,* immho, is that he’s thinking in the old paradigm of politicians being bought by campaign financing. That’s why he says … “it can’t get any worse.” He’s right. It can’t. That paradigm is blown out ~ it’s gone as far as it can which is why we are where we are at and why one of the last actions of the old paradigm was to decide Citizens United and set the stage for the new paradigm.
After Citizens United, the corporations don’t have to buy politicians through campaign financing anymore. They don’t need the politicians anymore to have a voice that “counts.” They don’t have to buy the politicians.
Now they will just buy the system.
It’s the engineering of a new paradigm.
I like the Corporate Party vs. the People’s Party. However, our problem is that the Democratic Party is not the People’s Party anymore. It is another corporate party. Btw, this is the same problem as left and right. The left that came out of the New Deal referred to politicians who represented the people and were mostly in the Democratic Party. However, we don’t have any leftists of that kind left today, or at least none who won’t fold under pressure.
I have been talking to a lot of my right wing neighborhood friends about what progressivism is ever since I saw that Beck is equating progressives with the Anti-Christ. I point out to them that Social Security and Medicare and child labor laws and tax structures that distribute the burdens so that those who have little don’t get crushed in order to take care of those who can spare a lot more are all progressive. It’s not about paying people to lie around, it’s about setting up paid for systems that catch people when they fall so that instead of crashing, they can bounce back and keep contributing to society. You pay into SS the whole time you work and you don’t starve when you are too old to work. If you die young, you don’t take out and if you are disabled young you take out more than you paid in, but it makes it safer and less stressful for everyone. Same with Medicare. The public option or single payer is not about grabbing your tax money, it’s about taking less money in taxes to get you medical care than it costs for you to pay insurance companies to do it because they pay exorbitant salaries and own fleets of private jets. Redistribution of wealth has already been happening as we’ve all seen as our tax dollars go to bankster bonuses. People get this. We have to start talking to as many people as we can about what progressivism really is and why corporate interests, including the corporate owned media, have a vested interest in painting it as evil. It’s not that they are worried about America or progressivism is about turning us into a nation of lazy slobs, it’s about making sure the wealth distributes upward instead of downward. When I ask if we really want to incentivize the Paris Hiltons and the outsourcing of jobs to China rather than the actual work that creates value, years of Reaganomics is seen in a different light.
They still think HCR has death panels in it, but at least I can tell them that progressives hate the HCR as much as they do because it is not progressive, as they can see from our talk, it is corporatist, which is the enemy of all.
Ding! Comment #98 and #118 while you can still do it and it’s still legal. More walk less talk unless:
World biggest Freeze Flash Mob: “Dîner en Blanc 2008 Paris” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHfd-clPm3c)
What I’d like to see more of from those of us in this group is study and analysis into the mind of the groupthink Obamabot. By truly understanding our enemy, and make no mistake that’s what they are, can we defeat them.
From my own observations, Obamabots put undue faith in personalities. This is why there’s such fanatical devotion to Obama even though he’s undercutting party principles. Their 2nd trait is being fearful of not being taken seriously. This makes them incredibly susceptible to peer pressure, hence why they went out of their way to water down their own legislation to appear to be grown-ups in the eyes of the MSM. These types also always seek refuge in the education and number of degrees they have, as though that is a proxy for intelligence. Their 3rd major characteristic is a fear of responsibility and consequence. I test this one on a daily basis when I post in Huffington Post. If you want to get one the ‘bots really worked up and fearful, post a statement telling them they are responsible for the terrible repercussions of this bill and that they own it. They’ll respond by either trying to say you’re a “purist” which I guess is supposed to be some sort of epithet (and which underscores characteristic #2)along with a lot of invective or they’ll try to be your buddy so to speak and try to “reassure” you that this is a first step. Make no mistake, they’re only trying to reassure themselves and stave off that gnawing feeling they have in their gut that they will suffer for this travesty of a bill.
They’ll also combine these traits. One combo, traits 1 and 2, was shown in the fight over the excise tax. Those of you may remember how many times we were told that so many “knowledgeable” people said we had to have a mandate and an excise tax and that they knew more than we. But then we found out it all came from Jonathan Gruber who based all of his nonsense off of one study conducted during the ’70′s and ’80′s under conditions that no longer exist. The ‘bots never thought to do their own research, they just decided that they were right because a “knowledgeable person” who went to MIT said so. By supporting his argument, in their minds, it’s as if they went to MIT too and are therefore more “serious.”
Anyway, that’s what I’ve noticed. Anyone else noticed a trait I’ve missed?
Hmmmm. I have unattached ideas that keep rolling around in my head about women-owned, cooperative, and home-based, …. too! I keep thinking artisan, recycled, and such, too. And this has very little to do with anything I have done or I am *officially* trying to do right now. Except I had the idea that I might become some kind of artist when I “retired.”
I am looking at every single grant program I can find. I am already affiliated with a no-cost business development/incubator program at my alma mater. I have paid my taxes, self-financed long-term illness, and my property taxes are killing me right now while the elites are taken care of. Damn straight I am going for every support I can find. Without *any* embarrassment.
What that piece of Glenn’s said to me is, they’ve already bought the system. Past tense. Opportunity gone. It’s been priced out of reach for those it was intended to represent. Obviously, your mileage varied.
Well written comment.
PaulaT, this would make a great diary.
Jane, to piggy back here. I have been having the same conversations with people as well. It works.
Beautiful.
So they played the game for years and encouraged extremism and corporatism until the wave got away from them. Now they feel left out by their corporate masters. Big surprise to them that getting in line was the #1 priority of their fascist front groups. Their self-pity is laughable.
Really interesting. You say people actually begin to change their point of view?
I wish I felt able to do this rationally and calmly. I tend to lose my temper, so I just avoid the subject in person.
But I’m struck by your last sentence – that even as their viewpoint shifts,
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That’s an “objective” fact – how come they can’t give up this belief, do you suppose? Any theories?
Who says the Corporate Party = R-party and People Party = D-party?
I thought the original intent was: Corporate Party = R+D-party, People Party = Us, we the people.
You hit it right on the head. I was pointing at this with the quote and link at 116.
” Under the guise of entitlements, the State (and the Elites who control it) has in effect bought the passive complicity of its dependents in the Elites’ growing dominance of national income and wealth.”
Universities, Corporations, Media, Political Parties, all have bought the complicity of their dependents, and aligned the self interests of these dependents with those of the corporations.
“It’s difficult to get a man to believe something when his paycheck depends on his not believing it.”
Veal Pen is huge.
We are a nation built on authoritarianism despite our revolutionary roots. I think a lot of it has to do with our religious roots. The “rebels” we attracted in our infancy were more rebelling against one authority in order to establish their own than rebels against authority in general. The Quakers may be the exception, but look how well they have fared.
Look at what Obama’s winning argument was: You have to give me this win because if I (as your authoritative head) go down, you will all go down with me. WTF? I am told by my parents, who were very keen observers at the time, that I never accepted authority as a reason to do anything. Maybe that’s why my reaction was incredulous. But, for the most part, we teach our children to respect authority and not to question it. And we get science deniers of all stripes, people who look to authority figures to tell them what is right and wrong, expedient or not, and full prisons. But who are the other progressives to scoff when a big underlying message in the fear over Obama’s cult of personality is that we need a leader to help us all to do something about it.
It’s a deep-seated psychological and sociological illness. Good luck rooting it out.
I hear you. It may be 6 of one half-dozen of the other. And it’s *probably* the same difference to us out here …
But it carries a really nasty surprise for the politicians.
I have a very deep feeling that the masters have cut out the middlemen (congress) and the middlemen have no clue that they will not matter as little as they think they still do.
And they are doing nothing but the usual posturing.
They have no clue.
Ding!
mongopawn, I was replying to topcat’s comment:
where the Democratic Party is associated with the People’s Party.
If topcat had expressed the suggestion the way you did, I might well have agreed — except, of course, that we, the people, are not a political party. So, right now, there is no major Party that is a people’s party. And that’s one of our big problems.
Well put, Paula.
Agreed, letsgetitdone. And the sooner we do get a true People’s party, the better. One would think that with 50% (more or less) of the population that never votes (because they think neither R nor D-parties represent them?) we have some low-hanging fruit to kickstart such a party.
I’ve got your new language right here:
Just generalize from that last observation.
Fear is not rational. I had this argument with my dad. I pointed him to the language online. He read it and said that maybe they had taken it out when everyone raised a ruckus, but he still believed it was in there. AND HE IS ONE WHO WANTS TO BE ALLOWED TO DIE IF HE GETS ALZHEIMERS!!!! He is completely in line with the idea of going over with your doctor what can be done and having it clear what you do or do not want done, but he is afraid of the government and that fear instilled over decades will find a new outlet if the old one is taken away.
I work with delinquent teens and abused children and their parents. I have found it counterproductive to take the stance that people are crazy or bad for being far outside of what seems normal to us. When you get to know them, how they think makes perfect sense. They come from different places. So I don’t waste my time trying to undo decades of what has made them who they are. Instead, I take their view as rational and just try to point out that there are other views. I would be an idiot to take my “let’s all get along without threatening each other” attitude to your neighborhood, but you are also an idiot to take your “looking and acting dangerous keeps you safe” attitude into that area of society where we put people who scare us in prison.
I think it helps from the teabagger perspective that I can genuinely understand and feel their fear of government. I fear government, too. I don’t really fit in with liberals in that regard. I am a libertarian/progressive hybrid of sorts and it makes no sense. But when you see what our govt is doing to us, do you really blame them for being afraid of growing it bigger? Add in years of hearing that govt is the enemy and it’s compelling. So I don’t argue that big govt is good. I am honest about not trusting big govt or big business. Power corrupts. So I think that they have to counterbalance each other. If business has power, govt has to have power to keep them in line. If they want to keep businesses small, I’ll be happy with smaller govt, which is actually where I am headed economically and politically, I think. I want to see smaller, community based programs. I have problems with economy of scale, but then corporate growth has shown us that economies of scale are beneficial up to a point but not beyond that, so why wouldn’t that be true of government as well? So we talk not about how govt is better or socialism is better but where it seems to have worked to have govt involved, where private enterprise has advantages and how to set up systems that get the advantages of both without the disadvantages and fight the current trend of getting the disadvantages of both.
I think you’re misunderstanding me. I’m not about rooting it out. I’m about using their weak nature against them. I don’t think you can change that sort. But that’s not our test here anyway. Our path forward is to manipulate the ‘bot into seeing the Progressive policy as the “knowledgeable” one that only “smart” people know well enough to follow. The failure of Progressives is not understanding the nature of the ‘bot_Blue Dog_Dem-weasel axis. The strategy was always stated in terms of “fighting.” Rather, like Judo, we should we be using their nature against them for our advantage. By knowing what they respond to, more effective framing can be done on our end.
I understand rape as a metaphor for political power. I wasn’t trying to get you to explain it to me.
What I was doing, since we were talking about finding new languages for politics anyway, was challenging you to stop resorting so readily to sex as a metaphor for power, and also to notice what thinking about sex largely in terms of power really does.
When SEX = POWER and PENETRATION = DOMINATION
then MAN = STRONG and WOMAN (or faggot) = WEAK
and since STRONG = GOOD and WEAK = BAD
then MAN = GOOD and WOMAN = BAD.
The roots of both misogyny and homoloathing are right there. The horror of weakness and the understanding of sex as a power event is where the scorn for women (and gays) comes from, and is what leads you to write a sentence like “I’m tired of being the political class’ bitch”, in which you analogized you being dominated by the political class to a contemptible woman being dominated by some man (that’s what bitch with a possessive indicates). I am arguing that seeing sex as a power event in the first place is where misogyny and lots of other pernicious shit in our society, such as machismo (the overreaction to being thought weak), and swagger, and a lot of sociopathic I-dont-give-a-shit tough-guy stuff comes from. And that stuff is dangerous. In fact, I think that stuff is a big part of how the political and leadership class got so deranged in the first place, because caring about other people is weak, and being a selfish sociopath is strong, and so we managed to lose a stoic ethical sense of masculinity and wound up with CEOs thinking they’re Nietzschean or Randian Ubermenschen. These ideas are why the political class treats you like their bitch; because they’re just as caught up in masculinity as being unbridled and conscienceless power as the rest of this country is (most of this hemisphere, actually).
So, that’s why I tried to tell you not to resort to sex-as-power imagery. I think that’s the problem.
All I was saying is that they respond to authority. And fear. They are afraid of being out of power and irrelevant again. If Obama goes down and the Republicans take over, you won’t be invited to the right parties or get a say in policy any more. Stick with the head honcho’s authority and he will save you all from being irrelevant. Try not to think about why that might be a false dichotomy.
If you want to influence them, you have to find ways to be a more powerful authority figure and better able to make them irrelevant. Veal pen is actually harder to do that with than politicians. Politicians should be voted out if they cross you by following Obama. They have to know that Obama’s personality and/or corporate money will not save them, only pandering to the voters will keep them powerful and relevant in the hierarchical structure they understand. The good thing about authority driven people is that if you take over the top, the sheeple follow. Trying to change the sheeple away from authoritarianism ain’t gonna happen, but you can get them to follow you if you build a strong enough power structure. Don’t worry about the Obamabots. If they are bots, they won’t respond or change. Take out Obama and give them a new Borg to latch onto.
“Don’t hate the media, become the media. Film-maker Michael Moore is right: we must spend less time arguing and agreeing with each other, and more time reaching out to people who may not appear to agree with us, but often share the same underlying concerns. These issues aren’t left versus right, they are the top against the bottom. No one who is down-sized out of a job should be allowed to fall for Pat Buchanan. Putting food on the table is the number one wedge issue of growing concern for everyone.” -Jello Biafra
I’m sure Jello wouldn’t mind if you borrowed it, Jane.
Your point is well taken. (no imagery intentionally inferred)
Round of applause for that, texasdem! ***
With respect, I think that’s a waste of time and energy. As PaulaT says they’re moo cows, and they won’t change until they don’t get the paycheck. That said, I don’t see much we can do at this point, but shining a harsh light on their hypocrisy is a way forward and opportunities will no doubt arise.
You mean turn into Republicans?
My husband and I our moving our banking from Wachovia (now Wells Fargo) to a local credit union, with a solid reputation. It feels better already.
I think we are better off pointing out that they use that kind of language than taking it up ourselves.
Sorry for coming to the thread late, I would just suggest the first step is just what Larry Lessig proposes. Pass a clean money campaign financing law. We won’t clean out the incumbent nest of whores immediately, but in every election cycle hereafter, they’d be challenged, in primaries and in the general, by candidates who aren’t up for sale to the highest bidder.
On some issues there is no left-right alliance possible (I doubt many conservatives would endorse a clean money campaign bill or a single payer healthcare system). However, the is simplest way to make a left-right alliance to fight Obama’s giveaways to his corporate sponsors is to meet the anti-tax right halfway. Every bit of corporate welfare we team up to eliminate, allocate the savings into cutting taxes– the key phrase is “revenue neutral”. That way, even Republicans who’ve signed the Americans for Tax Reform “taxpayer protection pledge” can support it.
Just what does the pledge commit a Member of Congress to do?
The pledge commits a member to oppose and vote against any effort to raise the federal income tax on individuals or corporations. The pledge does not stand in the way of any tax decreases or revenue neutral changes to the income tax.
What if I wanted to trade one tax deduction or credit for another of equal value?
No problem. The pledge only opposes changes in tax deductions or credits that increase the tax burden on Americans. Former Ways and Means Chairman Bill Archer had proposed restoring tax deductibility of health insurance for the self-employed and trading it for a tax credit of equal value that gives preference to businesses that sell television and radio stations to certain politically favored groups. As this is revenue neutral, the pledge is not violated.
http://www.atr.org/userfiles/federaltaxpayerprotectionpledge_qanda.pdf
The obvious tax to cut is the FICA payroll tax (a tax on income but not “the income tax”, however the ATR scores hikes as a breach of the pledge). Reducing the FICA rate in exchange for zeroing out corporate welfare would leave more money in the pocket of employees and employers alike.
Oh and listen to Warren Mosler– “don’t vote for anyone who promises to balance the federal budget!”. Deficit hawks, of either party, are the enemy.
http://moslereconomics.com/
Me too.
I’m going today to transfer my business account to the Credit Union. They just opened it up to LLC’s. Very smart on their part to get more customers with small businesses. We have had out personal account with the credit unions for years. Godspeed to all that are willing to go that route! Catch you on the flip side.
What we need is a Velvet Revolution. In this country, I would suggest that this could take the form of a Constitutional Convention.
It is time to address several major flaws in our governance, including the outsized role of the modern corporation, War Powers, including clarification on how to end wars as well as how to start them, and streamlining the function of our bicameral legislature (anyone else in favor of deep sixing the Senate?).
While our Constitution is a historical marvel, it is also outdated. Scalia can rant all he wants, but what other institution from the late 18th century has escaped the changes of time?
There is no way to get meaningful Campaign Finance Reform past this reactionary Supreme Court.
As I pointed out to Professor Lessig when I contributed seed money to his organization three years ago, we need to amend the Constitution to protect ourselves from the ravages of right wing corporatism, or the Dreadful Five on the High Court will strike down any statute they don’t like.
Yes, we need a new language Certainly not one co-opted by the media, the focus groups, and the propaganda think tanks. Without going into tribal mentality, life is complicated, and the answers are hard.
I don’t know how we are going to have a new language when we have zero mainstream media access. When what I considered the lefty media for me-Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann are no longer going to say a damn thing about what has happened with this health reform bill. I watched Maddow last night-she was smart enough to have found out that mandates were a Republican idea and nail them on their hypocrisy but not to do the same to the Democrats. HEY, where has the reporting been that mandates are a Republican construct, Obama was against them. McCain was for them, as he was for excise tazes, which Obama was also against we he ran, and also the four billion pound elephant in the room-the reporting by the New York Times that Obama personally killed the public option in the summer of 2009 and then let all the progressives believe he wanted it but there “weren’t the votes.”
Isn’t that kind of important? I listened to all of MSNBC liberal shows rail about the pubic option for almost a year. You’d think they’d want to know what happened. It’s like it never existed.
I watched Ed Schultz and Wendell Potter do a 180 before my eyes. How is it a giveaway to the insurance industries one day, but after the magic Senate passes it- a “good start.” HOW? Do not insult my intelligence and tell me to join your team. Why should I care about Obama’s presidency when he lies to my face? Why is he good to support? What am missing, the Nation, Move On and the rest-what the hell am I missing? Did he stop the war and I missed it? Is Guantanamo closed? Is he standing firm for women’s rights?
WHAT am I supporting in supporting this president? Because you basically said the bill was shit but the higher ideal was supporting Barrack Obama. I missed the reason.
Where is ANY media to call out the president? It’s not different than Bush. Except this is a Democratic president, and a “democratic” bill so the liberals on MSNBC MUST BE FOR IT. How is that different than Fox news? How is Daily Kos different than Free Republic?
Where is the holding those in power accountable? It doesn’t exist. So all we are is bitter “firebaggers”. No, we are the ones that actually paid attention. The rest of the “left” media is insulting my intelligence. And there is no language for any of us. We don’t exist. We are the enemy. Because you are either on the team-hey Dennis! or you are not.
I disagree, IF the public financing element is voluntary. You’re right that any form of campaign finance regulation (i.e. who may contribute and how much) faces a tough row to hoe with this Court.
However, the presidential campaign finance system (as underfunded and inadequate as its been recent cycles) provides a precedent for Congress to enact a viewpoint/party neutral system to fund the campaign of any candidate who meets objective, reasonable benchmarks (e.g. a specified number of signatures or donations under $100 from a threshold level of supporters). And just as with presidential campaigns, candidates who wish to self-fund or accept contributions would be free to opt out.
In short, the Constitution doesn’t let us disarm the incumbents on the take (of either party), but it does allow us to arm their opponents to make it a fair fight.
Thanks to Jane for a thoughtful & thought-provoking post.
The point to discussing the language of our politics is to develop some clarity & coherence in what will be a long & difficult struggle to throw off the yoke of corporatism, plutocracy & the National Security State. Although some of us may be older, we are all babes in the effort to determine & implement a useful model of resistance. The cyber-sphere has & will continue to play a role; the Democratic Party will continue to be a testing ground for progressive activists until it makes sense to abandon that front; new organizations (and new forms of organization) will coalesce as a means to express the interests of the vast majority of people.
Where to next? What is to be done? It is certainly a foregone conclusion that ‘financial reform’ will be words written to the music of finance capitalism. The consequences of not restricting the size of the banks and ending their casino culture will be the increasing gradual impoverishment of the people, until the next crisis brings another round of wage cuts and the total theft of our meager assets (houses, investments, etc.) But in the near term, as the plutocrats prepare to gut Social Security, Medicare and most social programs under the guise of fiscal reform (led by Obama’s commission on reducing the budget deficit) it will be necessary to resist. Here the language is no mystery; building a movement of people in the cyber-sphere & on the ground to defend the standard of living of the people is the challenge we face.
I agree that we won’t get campaign finance past the Supremes, but I still think we should put together public financing. It will take time to get a Constitutional Amendment done. In the meantime, a statute can start and it will take a couple of years for it to get to the Supremes for them to strike down. But it will give us that time, perhaps, to slow things down while we get the amendment done. So, campaign finance laws in lieu of Constitutional Amendment? No way. In conjunction with? Sounds great.
while we’re talking, getting rid of the electoral college and diebold, etal running our voting process. i LOVE hanging chads.
I think we should call it the Kobe party.
Outstanding, keep doing what you’re doing.
It’s imperative, IMO, that we make all who supported own it. Why? No, it’s not spite. It has to do with a lot of what Jane’s post talks about. Because the labels that a lot of folks have relied upon to make judgements don’t work anymore (as Jane points out), we HAVE to start realizing, on almost a personal level, who is supporting this neo-liberalism so that we can point that out in the future when another topic is being debated.
It feels a lot to me just like the build up to Iraq, where the only ones that really opposed it then were demonized as not being grown up, etc. etc. Now we’ve been had TWICE, Iraq and healthcare. Let’s not let it happen again from the same people. Make them own it so that in the future folks will better know who to trust and who conned them the last time.
If any of that makes sense. I seem to feel what I’m trying to say, but am not able to communicate it right.
The bottom line is to me it feels a lot like the same folks that are saying support this POS now are in a lot of cases the same folks that said we had to support the D’s voting in favor of the war also, out of “pragmatism.”
We’ve got to make them own it so that next time folks who put a lot of trust in labels won’t so easily fall for their calls to “be pragmatic” and support this or don’t support that.
Meh, I just remembered that Obama himself opposed the war from the beginning yet supports this POS, so it blows my thinking above to bits. Didn’t help us one little bit did it?
Oh well, wrong again. Not the first time, won’t be the last. At least my fingers got a workout I guess.
As is the neoliberal cult with President Obama. It’s no different. Rigid conformity to the party line is required, no dissent is tolerated.
Not blown to bits. Obama wasn’t in a position to make a difference during the Iraq War buildup. He was the Jay Rockefeller or Michael Bennett of that issue, pontificating but never having to actually stand up and vote yay or nay. You still get a lot from watching who is arguing for pragmatism and not looking too closely at the sandwich before taking a big bite. Just put in a caveat not to take too seriously those who argue the opposite when not in a position to actually buck the PTB. Doesn’t mean you assume that they, too, are bought, just that you don’t assume that they’re not.
Civil disobedience is a little frightening, especially to someone like me who is still attempting to earn a living. An arrest on your background check puts you completely off the grid for a job, and someone I knew who had worked in HR told me once that an arrest at a rally or demonstration was the worst. Corporations don’t want activists in their ranks; they want obedient drones.
That is a real consideration. If you are an activist, especially if you attend rallies and demonstrate you could get arrested. I have not been but friends have. Mostly the charge is at most a misdemeanor and often dropped, But it is a real deal.
There are also the government watch lists. I am also on at least 3 watch lists because of having attended planning meetings held by the Quakers and Vegans, Talon is one program and I forgot the other but they admitted video taping and putting attendees of some of these meetings and demonstrations on watch lists.The church I belonged to is/was also one that they monitor. This mostly because of anti-war stance.
If you worry about that kind of thing better be discreet.
I have been saying and asking the same question where is the new plans or ideas needed to combat OBAMA and Co who are pretenders in trying make us believe he is doing something when in fact he is not. By the way I offered JANE a plan on numerous occassions and it was ignored. At the same time I sent her an e-mail of my plan again ignored. In addtion I understand the health care fight is not over,why is she not supporting Crayson plan for public options or what? I agree with you there has to be new plans,ideas,stragety for moving us forward. We need to start as soon as possible. For example we need to start by taking out those five DEMS senators who cause us to lose the public option. In addtion the 34 DEMS in the House who voted against the public option also. In other words they all need to be removed from office and replaced period. The problem is not defining us,but defining them in a clear cut manner otherwise there is confusion and chaos and you know what the results will be. For example,for REP regressives, deniers,repealers. and liars and set forth information that back those terms up on a continous basis. Let not forget about the money. I told JANE she needs a million committed progressives/independents/liberals for the next three years 2010.11.12 cause we are talking about short and a long term engagment period. Now to the money if those million people I talked about gave ten dollars per month per for a year do the math. At the same time have a good grass root ground game and we are talking about targeting those who voted against our interests this would shake some people up. In other words we mean business enough of the bs. By the way send JANE an e-mail and ask her if I did not send this to her period. I also told her we need to think about looking for OBAMA replacement in the process,but we cannot wait until the last minute either. I also told her she need to start going after those 13 million supporter that OBAMA has I am sure they are having there doubts about him and have them join us. He has already made some critical mistake in chosing his cabinet for example the Treasury,National Security,FDA, to name a few. So let step back and do a critical anaylsis of the year and half ask ourselves what went wrong under DEMS and OBAMA. At the same time anticipate what he may do in the future. I believe you can fool some of the people some of the time and most of the people some time,but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. In other words drinking the kool aide is over it time for action period.
This is the solution. Let’s kill Chevron. Why? Because they named a tanker after Condoleeza Rice and because we CAN. Everyone bypass the Chevron stations for another brand. We can elect another liar, another person the corporations will buy off, or we can attack the source. Once we kill one major corporation, others will sit up and take notice. Its only by attacking the source of the problem that we can get them out of politics. Chevron is just the first dirty corporation to come to mind and may not be the best target, but they deserve what we can dish and lacking any organization, why not?
Or you can continue to rail against the symptoms while ignoring the disease.
Hi Jane. ;)
With the wealth and power accumulated in the modern multinational corporation, as well as in the Patrician’s Club we call the US Senate, I don’t think we can even approach equal arms, or equal voice.
And remember, if three people are talking about overthrowing the government two of them are FBI.
I am all for short term bandaids, as long as we’re seriously addressing the underlying wound.
I know a Constitutional Convention is a lift, and we’ll hear, probably from this President, “This is an awful time for such a huge undertaking. We’re divided politically, and facing epic historic challenges.”
First, when is a GOOD time for a Constitutional Convention? And, with all these huge problems facing us right now, what better time than to improve the Constitution, to allow us to deal with bigger challenges?
It would open an incredibly valuable dialogue at a time an unprecedented proportion of the population is actually paying attention! And, it would allow us to strike some grand bargains to handle multiple problems at once.
“During times of great crisis lie great oppotunities.”
Only if we seize them.
LOL Ain’t it the truth.
Another other is if your website tracker shows a visitor using Netscape 2 it is the FBI or the IRS.
I think we need to find ways to talk to each other. There must be some way we can hold different views but treat each other with respect. Of course, it may be that we need to re-think who ‘we’ are. There were regions of the blogosphere that I once thought were populated by ‘us’. Now those regions seem populated by…’not-us’.
What happened? And has another blog bit the dusk? I mean the formerly (by me) revered Hullabaloo.
I dont know if the left-right paradigm is any less meaningful than it was 50 or 80 years ago. Maybe the big change is that the left, in any meaningful sense of the word, went MIA? At least that seems to be true in the US, and to varying degrees in the rest of the world too. Maybe the really hard thing to eat up is the realization that the people you put your faith in dont have your back?
In a political system with only two major players, one ultra- and the other center-right, its only logical that politics will be “the shadow cast on society by big business”. For any resurrection of an effective and strong left to occur, that needs to be understood. It hurts to be let down, thrown under the bus, and have your hopes and illusions shattered. But it is also the first step toward a real understanding.
We need to revive the old-fashioned American brand of socialism that is so despised by both parties in Washington. The parties continue to exacerbate the massive inequality that exists in this country. Obama’s doing nothing to alleviate the divide between rich and poor.
Timothy V. Gatto:
I agree with everything you say except for the bit about needing a new language.We don’t. We just need to use the language that we have honestly. As George Orwell argues in “Politics and the English Language” (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm):
“Modern English, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread by imitation and which can be avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble. If one gets rid of these habits one can think more clearly, and to think clearly is a necessary first step toward political regeneration.”
I disagree.
A constitutional convention is a waste of time because the Constitution is fine, with the possible exception of the Senate, which I favor abolishing.
We need to form a third party and we better not call it The People’s Party because we’ll be branded as Communists and marginalized before we get organized.
My eyes glaze over-with an orange tint.
We need to promote good ideas without mentioning the brands with which they are associated.
“…leftish activist energies could be better spent than by selling the latest political greaseball to one’s neighbors and/or perfect strangers willing to answer the door. One option would be to expend that effort in destroying the genuine common enemy of the people, all the people: Capitalism and its brutal commoditization of our very lives and breath. Which would make one a socialist.” – Joe Bageant
What really pisses me off is how little the shocking greed now, the dark worship of Mammon, the bloody goddamn pusuit of endless war and the race to the fucking bottom has to do with the ordinary, loving, human, hard working lives of most Americans. Can’t we just fence off lower Manhattan and put up a sign that says do not feed the ravening beasts? Then, maybe we could all get on with consensus and reaching across and agreeing to disagree with good intent all around to create a just and joyful polity.
The Wiffle. Passing dangerous, half baked legislation with no real consensus for questionable political reasons and saying, everybody now…No Worries We’ll Fix It Later! LOL, just brilliant. (jeez 230 and I’m only at 96. Oh well, such a great thread.
In substantial agreement except to point out that (for me) Rose Party has uncomfortable resonance with CIA color revolutions. See how they do that?
You’re still missing it Paula. We’re saying two sides of the same thing. The authority you state they respond to results from the fear they have of not being taken seriously. It’s all high school with that lot. You can make a lot of people like this do whatever you want if you make it seem like your way is “cooler”, so to speak. These people will like anything they are demeaned into liking. As long as you present the alternative as something that only an idiot would like, thereby calling into question their innate “goodness” and credibility, they will support anything. It’s the same mentality that Obama exhibits with his “on one hand…on the other hand” behavior. They’re always going to try to split the difference between whatever 2 options are presented as “reasonable”. The trick is to manipulate the ‘bot into seeing the Progressive position as one of the 2 choices. That’s where our mission lies. If you call into question their intelligence enough they’ll backtrack. They do it every time. I’m just so surprised no one else on here has noticed this. I suggest everyone who reads this to go over to Huffington Post or some other major blog and test it out. You’ll see what I’m saying. Treat engagement with the ‘bots as a game. That’s all it really is. But learn the important lessons needed to crush them and forge ahead.
You’re not wrong OFG. You just didn’t recognize the failure of Progressives. Progressives are too romantic in some regards. We like to believe in the logic of the story arc. A beginning, middle, end. That somehow once you’ve found the hero and helped him to vanquish the enemy, everything is good. This is not real life. Real life is constantly moving, morphing, and branching off. Where seemingly one door closes another opens. The same is said for politicians like Obama. He was against the logic of the war and is now in favor of the same faulty logic behind the health care bill. Why? Because Progressives faithed in the story arc, in a man, and not in their principles. Alliances are not made with personalities, they are made with like-principles. If Obama sensed that Progressive groups were more interested in the principles he espoused and fought for and not his pretty shiny words, he would have been too afraid to dissemble and prance around for his corporate masters. He would know that his support rested upon goal attainment and not romanticism. We are in a constant struggle for goal attainment, not hero worship and stories with happy endings. This is why I wrote my previous post. Our goal is not to be right. We are already right. Our goal is to succeed. Success first starts with understanding the internal enemy. This is the group we now call Obamabots. Direct confrontation doesn’t work with them. Manipulation of their reality does. If you present the Progressive choice as the one only right thinking, upwardly mobile, and intelligent people choose, you make that choice one of the 2 they will seek to split the difference with. Fighting them for the righteous fight, to be proven right in the end, feels good but doesn’t accomplish our goal and anyway is forgotten later on. Remember, our ‘bots have short attention spans and are frantic to keep up with fads that underline their “seriousness.” They won’t concentrate too long on being woefully wrong on the previous issues. They’re too busy proving they’re right about something else. Demanding that they change is like demanding that a junkie just stop. They can’t. It’s how they were formed. Our test must be to manipulate them in the right direction, in spite of themselves, by making them think they made the decision.
If only it were that easy. If “Lower Manhattan” can be taken as a metaphor, there is one in nearly every American. Why else do you think they worry more about the fact that some people could get the principal reduced on their mortgages to stem the tide of foreclosure than they do the fact that the bank forcing the foreclosure is on the government dole and giving its employees bonuses? Progressives need to start targeting the structure of this fallacy rather than its symptoms. The question needs to just keep getting asked repeatedly, “Why should you make 500-1000 times what the lowest paid worker makes?” This is something that requires consistency and repetition. Americans think about that question as a concept, but not as a true question that needs an answer. Much like the Big Lie, if you ask something long enough, you’re bound to force some answers. Once people hear enough bullshit answers, they really doubt the paradigm.
There is much to be said about this kinda thing. I would note two things:
1) Some post modern feminists believed that a language change would accomplish much, as did Lakoff who got to sit next to the Clintons at dinner for a while. But, in the end, where there is clear thinking, there will be clear language, and it is the thinking that will make the difference for future action/effects. To believe otherwise is to put the proverbial cart before the horse. Many progressives have already done ample thinking and know exactly how everybody is getting screwed.
2) There is an attitude shared by many that I don’t quite get. We know the media is controlled by 9 or so sinister companies (yes sinister). Yet people delude themselves with the false hope that someday soon, if we just push enough, “the media” will carry the flag of our favorite cause(s). But they won’t. They control the microphones, and language change or no language change they aren’t going to let us near them for very long. To believe otherwise strikes me as borderline insanity.
I often have good luck googling if I can remember a phrase or a few key words from the article. Or perhaps you can try searching under wording from your comments to the article.
Although at some point being discrete simply hastens the day when posting to the wrong blog gets you put on a secret list and then one day presto “I’m sorry sir but you can’t get on the plane.” I worked with someone who got surprised at the airport and this was like 2-3 years ago. Young, middle class, white woman. Not particularly political. No idea why. Just saying.
I understand what you are saying but I think you have it backward. They believe that being taken seriously is contingent upon the authority figure they follow. So if you can sound like an authority, fine, but if you are just trying to convince them of something, you’ll get good discussions in comments, but nothing will change. This is why you get guys like kos going from kill the bill to kill anyone who doesn’t vote for the bill and all his followers go along with him. It was people in power who convinced him he needed to get on the bandwagon and it was the fact that he has authority and power on dailykos that made so many follow him. The people who pointed out his hypocrisy are probably not authority driven. The people who pointed out on his site that he was being a hypocrite are definitely not authority driven. You’ll notice they are in the minority.
Some people are swayed by appeals to logic and some by appeals to authority. You can have crossover, but when push comes to shove, one trumps the other. The masses in America on both sides of the political spectrum are more swayed by authority. They may be able to see logic, but they will respond to authority above all.
But who wants to get on a plane these days, anyway? I don’t look that good in full body scan.
I think we’re going to have to disagree. I don’t think people see life in terms of abstractions such as authority. I think most are like herd animals defining their existence in relation to a thing. It looks like authority, but it really is popularity. These ‘bots equate popularity to authority. In this case, in left-leaning politics, popularity is based upon supremacy of fact-presentation. Even if your facts don’t make sense, as long as you present them with a slightly patronizing air as though dissent is “charming” but misguided, you come off as more “serious.” This then enables ‘bots to feel vicariously “serious” too, regardless of whether those presenters’ credentials or facts have any bearing upon the particular issue. This then makes it popular. At the point of Popularity, it then has authority. It is the vicarious nature of the framing that lends authority to a thing. The ‘bot has to feel they are part of the in-crowd, the cool kids, the “serious” ones. If that occurs, the ‘bot then becomes a mindless advocate and browbeats dissenters into towing the line. The ‘bot doesn’t really know why he/she supports the issue, only that the “serious” ones are on their side and so they must be right. It’s all very faith-based, fearful, and desperate to be a part of the in-crowd. That’s why its all very high school-ish. Much like the “cool kids” in High School, their “authority” only stemmed from their popularity. Their popularity stemmed from their ability to make their behavior appear to be the smart route and other behaviors to be degrees of dumb.
In the campaign I always got the impression that Obama was a pragmatic left leaning Democrat. My expectation was never that he would inaugurate a progressive era when he took office, therefore I am not disappointed that he has not taken the “progressive” approach over the “centrist” one. I have not parsed all of Obama’s campaign rhetoric, but I do not think that he gave the impression that he carried the “progressive standard in the first place.
Secondly, aren’t people ignoring the fallout from the Wright/Ayers episodes during the campaign? Even before then he had to be more normal than normal to defuse potential Black man-with-a-grudge concerns. After this problem in the campaign, Obama had to display an even more rock solid centrism in order to demonstrate that the closet radical accusations were implausible. In this sense, his speech on race at that point was key in laying out this moderation and centrism for a more public viewing, and should be reflected on as a foreshadowing of his approach to policy.
I must say that in many ways, Obama was FORCED to hew a centrist line before he even took office.
Over on TL today, BTD posed a Q: “What Do Progressives Believe about Health Care Reform?” He praised Ezra Klein and quoted him:
[T]he opposition of Republicans meant they had to keep their liberals onboard, and that cut against trumpeting the conservative structure of the legislation. (Ezra Klein)
I repeat my response here since it seems apropos: This progressive believes the end result of HCR is less “conservative” and more corporate. With a robust public option included, available to everybody as a competitive choice arrayed against private plans, it might have been more “conservative.” But this mandated thing without a PO, nah.
Interesting the slip-slide between the political sphere and the corporate world not only misses the fact that a “conservative” bill is really corporate but also that most Dems are not liberal or progressive but also corporate. Neither has principles associated with a political party, least of all the skillfully marketed Obama Brand Inc. There appears to be only one common “principle — to gain and regain power to gain access to the public’s assets. We have one corporate party with two faces, two tongues, two coin slots. The language of politics is controlled largely by the corporate newsmedia so we have our work cut out for us to overcome that fact and prevail with a new language to reach the public that tells the truth clearly. Where is George Orwell when we need his insights? Jane Hamsher and Marcy Wheeler are two of his latter day successors.
Creating our own media networks and newspapers as well as lots more blogs like FDL seems to be one way we should go, doing it really well, not jokingly but very seriously and professionally with editors of the caliber of Jane and Marcy. We have wealthy people among us. Let’s get them together and begin to compete with the corporatocracy by going to the people with our own media and educate them with our own more precise and truth-telling language.
Check with a local atty who does criminal law about expungement. It depends on your state and the circumstances but it can be surprisingly easy if you are in the right place. I guess that’s the bright side of how many people we put in jail.
Not to beat a dead horse, but from a social psychology point of view, their popularity stems from their authority, or their position on the hierarchy of social power. That’s why the term “serious” keeps coming up. I don’t think we are on different sides at all, just seeing the same construct in different terms. But from a psychological point of view, the pull is to authority, or power might be a more lay term for the concept. It matters because there is a different group of people who respond to serious argument, whether genuinely serious or just manipulated to appear weighty and yet another group that responds to sheer numbers. Those aren’t the bots, psychologically speaking and the motivation to change behavior is different. That “slightly patronizing air” you mention is an appeal to authority. The popularity numbers people or herd mentality would be with whoever is seen as mainstream, which progressives in America today are not. Those people are not the bots but the people who voted for Obama, abandoned him and now that he is riding high on his HCR “victory” like him again.
“Corporate America knows a nut case when they see it and the social agenda of the New Republican Party simply scares them to death. If they can co-opt the Democratic leadership then its a better fit than the nutso’s in the Republican Party. But, what we are facing is actually way more than just that. As the Republicans have been taken over by the loonies it has moved further and further and further to the right. That left an opening that couldn’t be ignored by the other political Party. To exploit this the established Democratic Party has moved from the center to the right.”
I think this is backwards. The D-Party triangulated into the former republican position on nearly all economic issues. It did so because the leadership (babyboomer Clinton and EVERYONE around him, to a greater or lesser extent) saw this as being in their OWN economic interests.
They are, in short, investment portfolio watchers. Apart from some very hypocritical symbolic pandering to black and hispanic people, the upper middle class is the D-Party’s ONLY popular constituency.
The Republicans moved even further right in RESPONSE to this shift in the D-Party. They they engage in frenetic, heightened rhetoric because that’s the only opposition they can put up against the essentially right wing neo-liberal corporatist D-Party.
They also make no sense as a result of it. Watching Mitt Romney tie himself into knots condemning his own mandatory insurance plan when the Democrats perp it, is quite a sight.
But the REAL story is that upper middle class MA portfolio watching and anti-tax “liberals” scr*wed their own downscale population. This is a very pernicious use of “big government” power to put the squeeze on the already economically challenged. It shouldn’t be politically incorrect to point out the class war, just because “liberals” are waging it.
I’d be all for pushing the Republican Party off the political map. But I absolutely will neither support nor defend the neo-liberal corporatist fascist war mongering D-Party that makes common cause with them on virtually EVERY front.
This is BAD “big government.” The tea baggers are basically right.
This is going to be a real political conundrum for a lot of people.
Fly United Fly Naked
I had a chuckle at David Frum’s comment about any form of dissent being shut out, Boo-hoo.
I just want to know what dissent among full tilt corporatists he’s talking about. Like which party are the bigger slaves to the MIC and Wall St., or who does more damage to the American people? Hmmmmmm.
So, Conservatives can’t support throwing trillions of taxpayer dollars at Wall St., or funneling tax dollars of corporate welfare to Big Pharma, and nickel and dime over jobless Americans with a POS piece of window dressing legislation of 15 billion dollars for jobs creation isn’t appropriate? Interesting.
Or must Conservatives stick with traditional Republican style pillaging like robbing SS to finance 50 years of war and tax cuts for the wealthy? Or privatizing education, the military, basically everything in government, Let’s not forget overturning Roe v Wade, union busting, and the all time oldie but goodie, sitting on their hands while jobless Americans are put out on the street? Boy, they are unyielding, then.
Frankly, I’d say Obama is really warming up to Conservatives. Conservatives are sour grapes. There’s nothing TO dissent, it’s all rhetoric for power. Conservatives are just hopping mad that Obama has mastered the art of public deception while drowning in corporate cash.
What’s the matter with the ‘bots? The research has already been done. See The True Believers and
The Authoritarians (Free Book)
Small progressive wins in health reform was the taxing of unearned income, clinics funding, and Medicaid expansion with Medicaid payments to doctors moved up to Medicare level – thereby stopping the exodus of doctors from accepting Medicaid patients.
The rest was a “personal responsibility GOP wet dream mandate” and all that follows from that – sans cost control. As was mentioned many times, Nixon and Clinton health reform plans were to the left of Obamacare, which itself is modeled on how the Heritage Foundation reform plan and Romney care were structured, and while Obamacare is a mild minor change to the current insurance company system (most folks never see a change beyond the regulation that begins in 2014 on pre-existing and rescission), real change was off the table before we started with no chance for Medicare for all or the more right wing (70 votes in Senate I am told) Wyden-Bennett Health Bill where the federal government standardizes the entire insurance market, with only federal government permitted health plans permitted for purchase, with the standard benefits package the dominant health plan in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the BlueCross BlueShield Plan (cost for individual in 2007 was $4,282) with a real employer mandate/penalty with an employer payment schedule based on the number of employees, employer revenue, and an average plan premium.
Kos, Big Eddy, et.al., claiming this as a progressive/liberal victory is sad.
Dear Jane,
For starters, stop posts like this http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/37684
Reading tea leaves on climate bill: Democrats grow spines?
The author of that piece cross-posted it http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/26/851260/-Reading-tea-leaves-on-a-climate-bill:-Senators-growing-spines
and in the comments marginalized the Nation report on corporate influence within the green groups in Washington “Wrong Kind of Green” as one that “sounds a lot like Jane Hamsher’s veal pen critique: some validity, but also some starry eyed idealism that doesn’t stand a chance.”
So for starters, STOP RLMiller FROM POSTING AT FDL, or your critique will get muddled.
Jane “We Need a New Language of Politics”
David “Axis of evil” Frum is really accomplished at twisting words, language. Maybe he could be consulted about this new language of politics. The only problem is he is drowning in the Iraqi people’s blood and could care less. Frum lied and pushed hard for the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq.