Richard Trumka was all about the public option back in September, when he said in no uncertain terms that the AFL-CIO “won’t support the bill if it doesn’t have the public option in it.” And to his credit, one of the only reasons it stayed in the debate as long as it did was because Trumka kept bringing it back up.
But the public option was never more than a bargaining chip for Trumka, something that the AFL-CIO could cash in when it wanted something. Of course, he got nothing he wanted, and in the end settled for a fix on taxing “cadillac” insurance plans. And now he is actively trying to block a vote on the public option, dooming its chances. In doing so, he’s insuring that his “fix” gets paid for by cannibalizing $22 $18.5 billion from student loan reform.
The excise tax is both unpopular and bad policy, and it unfairly targeted skilled workers who live in states with high insurance costs. People who are represented by Trumka’s labor federation. And it’s his job to protect them.
But taking money out of the pockets of community colleges, state schools and early education programs is not the way to do that. These colleges are trapped in the midst of the state budget crises, shutting down programs and firing staff just to keep their doors open. The money in the Senate “fix” came from putting an end to Wall Street banker middlemen in the student loan process, cutting out their outrageous, crippling fees. It was passed by the House as the Student Loan and Financial Aid bill (SAFRA), and was meant for education. With a double-digit jobless rate, enrollment at community colleges is surging as minority youth urgently try to improve their job skills. By denying a vote on the public option, Trumka is forcing his “fix” to be paid for by taking $22 $18.5 billion directly away from education funding.
There is another way to pay for health care, one that doesn’t involve raising taxes or cutting $22 $18.5 billion from education: the public option. The Congressional Budget Office says it will save $25 billion in the health care bill, and the only people who stand to lose are the insurance companies, who don’t want the competition.
But Richard Trumka says the AFL-CIO is telling Senators not to even allow a vote on an amendment to the public option. The public option that could easily pay for the money taken straight from cash-strapped schools for Trumka’s union fix.
Michael Bennet of Colorado went on the floor of the Senate, telling the outrageous, bald-faced lie that allowing a vote on the public option would “kill the bill.” For someone who has been in the Senate now for quite some time, he obviously needs a basic civics lesson (see “Frosh Sen. Michael Bennet Won’t Offer Public Option Amendment, Still Seems Not To Understand How Legislative Process Works“). The health care bill has passed. It’s already been signed into law. The sidecar reconciliation bill is essentially a tax “fix,” negotiated after the unions threatened to “kill the bill” after the Senate passed it the first time. If these changes were so critical to saving lives, one wonders how the Senate deliberated for so long and managed to overlook them in the first place.
But one of the more shameful things about the union “fix” is that money that was initially targeted to help colleges and students across the country got seized to pay for it. The student loan direct lending program saves $61 billion that was supposed to go straight to education, but unions cut a deal with the White House to reduce the excise tax. But somehow that fix had to be paid for. And so they took $22 $18.5 billion from student loans.
It’s wrong for Richard Trumka to have used the public option as a bargaining chip in the first place, and it’s terribly wrong for him to be opposing so much as a vote on it now. The excise tax doesn’t even kick in until 2014. Those students need money now.
And it’s dishonest to claim that failure to pass the “fix” means people won’t get health care. But that’s what Michael Bennet is doing, desperate to save his seat as his primary challenger — Andrew Romanoff — calls on him to stand by his word. Trumka is covering for Bennet, pretending that a public option vote will happen later on. The amendment could pass with 50 votes now under recociliation — not when the “60 vote” barrier magically reappears in some fantasy future.
The President said he supports a public option. The House already passed one. There are 53 Senators who say they have supported a public option. The only ones who don’t want one are the insurance companies.
Trumka shouldn’t be covering for Michael Bennet’s desperate lies. And he certainly shouldn’t be holding community college students up by their heals and shaking them til the change falls out of their pockets, while Aetna stands over his shoulder counting their millions.
Update: the House Committee on Education and Labor writes that the total education figure is $42.5 billion rather than the $39 billion that had been reported, so the money being taken from education is $18.5 billion rather than $22 billion.




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Well, actually, none of this should be happening since deficit neutrality, Government solvency, and the possibility of inflation any time soon are false issues — bogeymen the Administration is using to avoid progressive change. The $22 million in the bill is peanuts. The money from the excise tax is popcorn. And the amount the public option would save over 10 years is crackerjacks. It’s time to talk about the real underlying issues:
Deficit Hawkism,
Hooverism,
rampant corporatism in this Administration, and
Obama’s betrayal of the principles of the Democratic Party.
It’s also the hospitals that don’t want a PO. It’s all very horrible.
Just one thing to add here in this important underrated story, as it’s not just minority kids going to community colleagues, but all kids.
Being one with a lot of friends in some CC’s (though NYC ones are definitely not analogous to say, some in the South), it’s just a whole save money measure of course thanks to not being able to afford state college or the big private schools if the scholarships or grants aren’t given.
Being almost a year removed from college, the enrollment in CC is growing. But it’s not just minority students contributing in that, but the downtrodden and/or those wanting to save.
I am a big supporter of unions but their history of selling out the poor and the rest of the middle class for their own gain is becoming to much to take. Good luck Mr. Trumpka getting that EFCA passed now. I am sure you can get plenty of help from your corporate whore friends, because I know you won’t have much from the “progressive” community.
From the New American Dictionary of Political Discourse:
support, v.t. to publicly claim to be in favor of, while privately
using all one’s resources to oppose.
Thanks as alway, Jane, for seeing the forest not the trees.
I believe that a deal was struck between big Insurance, big Pharma and the White House not to include a public option in this year’s legislation. I’m fairly confident that this was the deal that got the legislation through Congress. I think it sucks that they did it that way, but it’s obvious that Obama is not on board with a Public Option in this legislation. If the President isn’t going to fight for it, it isn’t going to happen, and it surprises me that this comes as such shock to so many here at FDL.
That reality is that this bill is going to pass without a Public Option. This is as plain to me as the keyboard in front of me. The question is, is everyone here going to continue to fight an unwinnable fight, and in the process villify and alienate everyone on our side who you deem to have let you down, or do you think that your energy might be better spent making sure that Republicans don’t take back control of the government so that we can all work together and gear up for a Public Option Fight in next year’s legislation?
Was ready to march with them for EFCA. Now … not so much.
Go Jane go!
It has become evident at this point that the Democrat party is not a progressive party, they talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. The are virtually indistinguishable from the GOP on virtually every issue. They are corporate-owned and follow their marching orders, screwing the American people in the process, for campaign cash and cushy jobs when they leave government “service”. Even the likes of Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich are compromised and serving the interests of others.
I beg you to consider forming a third party. As we have seen with these sham health reforms that further enrich the monied interests, the Democrat party is obviously corrupt from top to bottom. The Democrat party is not reformable because it is beholden to corporate cash/donations.
I beg you, “Third Party Now”. We can fund the party via the Internet and your appearances in the mainstream media.
Both of the current parties are fatal to our people’s interests. The only way to possibly fix this nation is from outside these two corporate-owned parties.
That is true. But unemployment falls disproportionately on the shoulders of minority youth, and enrollment rates at community colleges are much higher than at private institutions. So it’s a double whack.
What we’ve got here: one more opportunity to get a public option, one more powerful individual crushing whatever momentum exists to make it happen.
Thanks a lot, Trumka. For a little while, you seemed like the right person for the job. Turns out you’re just like all the rest, falling into line like a good Obama apparatchik.
I wouldn’t be so go quick to say Trumka “got nothing he wanted.”
Have you looked into the government’s new “high road” contracting policy and what that means for AFL-CIO unions? And of course since none of us was in the room at the time, we don’t really know what he got (or didn’t get).
they are going to ‘get’ EFCA, the way we ‘got’ healthcare reform
some watered down pos, that will no doubt please employers and give Trumka, Stern et al cover with membership
Man from LaMancha… Jane is right to stand by her principles and this expresses how I feel about FDL. (Pronoun edits mine)
To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause
And I know if I’ll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I’m laid to my rest
And the world will be better for this
That one woman, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with her last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star
I’m going to keep saying this because they keep proving it for me.
The unions are NOT our friends. They are rotting shells of thier former selves. They need to die and we need to cut any and all ties with them. They have not taken a single step in the direction we want, they have in fact sold us out.
All of you who despite all this evidence keep trying to defend unions to me by saying it’s just the leaders, I really hope this gets you over that.
They are not allies, they are traitors.
There won’t ever again be as good an opportunity to pass Public Option, but that’s a feature not a bug.
Bennet’s not the only one who needs cover of this kind, and Trumka isn’t the only one providing that cover.
I am so looking forward to Romanoff beating Bennet in August.
I’ve had more than my fill of Don’t Rock The Boater pseudo-logic. Bringing up the canard of the GOP retaking the House (as in every fundraising spam I get from the DNC and related groups) would be laughable were it not so infuriating. If you have been reading here any length of time at all, it should be painfully obvious that the problem has never been the GOP. It’s the Democrats. Sitting down and shutting up and helping to reinforce their stabbing us in the back every single time is not going to reduce the chances they are going to stab us in the back next time.
that would be a kewl diary, nudge nudge :D
That’s a series of false premises.
Fighting for something you said you would, and continuing to do so as a matter of principle, does not mean you’re “vilifying and alienating everyone who let you down.” If our continuing to hold the progressive values we once all espoused makes them look bad, that’s a natural outcome of a decision they made. It’s disingenuous to say “abandon your principles so you don’t make everyone else look bad in comparison.”
It’s doubly disingenuous to pass a bill that gives the GOP everything they could possibly dream of to take back congress, and then tell us it’s our responsibility to drop our fight and defend those who did that.
We were told after Obama voted to let AT&T and Verizon off the hook with his FISA vote that when he got into office that would get fixed too. I don’t know how many times people are going to hold out those illussory footballs as if a public option vote would ever happen next year, but some people stopped kicking them a while ago.
would be interesting to see if his two female lieutenants rec’d the same jump in percentage
Our government is totally and irreparably compromised. Combine that with a population that is largely ignorant about issues and you have, well… what, exactly? Not a democracy, that’s for sure. We need to starve the beast. Stop paying taxes. Don’t show up for work, get into the streets. Throw tomatoes at Goldman-Sachs. Do something. Voting for “Change” clearly didn’t work.
Bravo and nicely done. I am impressed with your principled stand.
As for what Trumka is doing, no one should be surprised by this. As I believe and have stated, unions are the very thing they rail against – big business. They just hide behind the claim they are protecting workers… sometimes they do, but only when it meets their needs otherwise they’ll sell them out in a heartbeat.
There is a bunch more about his tenure here He has, like many others, found money and celebrity intoxicating and is willing to sell his soul to keep them.
Whoever’s saying it’s unwinnable is wrong. We’ve learned a lot this year and should not back off just because a bunch of weak politicians couldn’t stand by their convictions, even with the support of a majority of the American people backing them up.
They’ve been a total disappointment. We trusted supposed allies who surrendered when it was most important to fight. They used us. I don’t villify them so much as call out bullshit.
Besides, they did let the country down. That’s not a state of my mind. It’s a fact.
Republicans in Congress weren’t the problem during this long debate, and Democrats in Congress have proven that they’re no better than Republicans.
You just fall in line and what till next year. That’s just great.
That’s not really true. You can be frustrated with union leadership but it is a simple fact that in this country where there is a union there is better wages and better working conditions. They are not simply “hiding behind protecting workers”.
Unions are part of the problem in this health care reform fiasco.
And peripherally, I sent this e mail to a so called Progressive blogger.
“I applaud your March 21 editorial for its emphasis that the HCR legislation can’t be remotely compared to passage of Medicare, Social Security, etc
That Obama dares to hoodwink the public into believing this is a basic snow job.
Again you are right that the bill is basically a “political” victory
and that’s because the Republicans positioned themselves as adversaries of any kind of reform.
But sadly, I feel that you, Bob Kuttner, and many in Congress like Dennis Kucinich compromised down their core principles to accept the perpetuation of a for profit health care system that has no public option, medicare buy in , or anything resembling. In so called progressively slanted blogs, there has been a failure to hammer at any number of Progressive Dems’ betrayals of their articulated pledges to only support HCR legislation that had a public option. Kucinich, Edwards, Cleaver, you name them, violated their own promises to constituents, caved in and voted yes on a bill that is a massive insurance industry bailout.
.
And if we backtrack, the Dems HAD the 51 votes for passage of the public option, way back when reconciliation could have been used successfully and Americans watched in horror what happened to bump it. And months later, when reconciliation was the decided route in the face of a massive Republican blockade, it appears that progressive bloggers and their counterpart members of Congress all but erased any memory of what could have been.
Which brings me to the conclusion that you Kuttner, and others have
conspicuously selective memories. Very few have fleshed out Obama’s back room deal with pharma and how HE sabotaged any chance for passage of a government option, while pretending he supported it but didn’t have the votes. It presumes that Americans are eternally gullible to be spoon fed a rationale for the bait and switch routine.
I, like other Progressives are sick of the billion $$$ bonanza to the insurance industry and intertwined enablement and hypocrisy of our President. Instead, we have the NY Times featuring an article about the end of the Age of Reagan via this landmark HCR legislation. What tiny thread of evidence justifies it? Privatization of everything under the sun is abounding in the Era of Obama. Don’t be surprised if he successfully privatizes Social Security after the midterm elections.
In the old days there were Progressives inside and outside of government who took a stand and didn’t go the way of the political foul wind. (include UNIONS as double crossers)
Now we have seen Kucinich, Sanders, Edwards, Cleaver, et al who go gently into the night without a fight for the core principles they were elected to stand by. And then you, Kuttner, and others seem to melt into a crowd of capitulators. (add UNIONS)
I am sorely disappointed. If “it’s all about politics” and not about We the People, then something really “substantive” is missing here.
I don’t think it is fair to say Trumpka is trying to pay for the union fix by harming college students. He’s doing his job. Congress decides how to pay for what. They not he are targeting the student loan money. Pitting union workers against college students when in reality both are middle class Americans makes little sense to me. The problem here is Congress not the unions. What is your solution?
Seems to me it is going to be a lot more popular to broaden the direct student lending program in the next spending bill, than to fix the excise tax.
I think it makes more sense to declare victory with what progressives feel is a “weak” bill than to start up the circular firing squad. I am not sure now is the “best time ever” to get a Public Option when there is so much confusion in the public about what the changes just passed even mean.
I agree with Jane that if you look at what the Cadillac tax-fixers are looking to do is take the money from students. College students always seem to have the “kick me” signs on them in Washington. (This has been true since Reagan.)
I for one think Cadillac plans should be taxed. But I also think all health insurance payments should go on the 1040 (so people can see an actual number that is income), and then do some tax credit or deduction to reduce the burden.
There is continuing reform necessary and I don’t think Saturday’s bill or the Rec will be the last of it.
The question is, is everyone here going to continue to fight an unwinnable fight, and in the process villify and alienate everyone on our side who you deem to have let you down, or do you think that your energy might be better spent making sure that Republicans don’t take back control of the government so that we can all work together and gear up for a Public Option Fight in next year’s legislation?
My answer is, I don’t trust these people anymore, and those going about pretending that the Senate bill was a great win? Especially people who changed their minds, and stopped fighting, in order to win a political fight: like Obama, Kos, Kucinich, the Unions, TPM, etc.
Dean once called the senate bill the end of reform. Kos once said that it should be killed, as well as Kucinich. How can their words be anything but empty and hollow now? They are pretenders and liars.
There are those who fight the good fight, I’ll stick with them.
The matter of principle. That is why I am so outraged at Harkin, who promised the public option, not just a vote, but the option. He was a principled politicians until he got bought. He broke my heart. He was a great friend of our great senator Wellstone. So here and now I pledge $100. for a ad to run in Iowa telling the people about the bribes he took. Just let me know when you need the money.
thanks, will take a look. he is a shining example of the pitfalls of Personalities over Principles – many of us believed in his ‘integrity’ – I am a recovering swooner
Totally agree with you, except I think you are wrong about the vote next year, it is coming right before the election of 2010 so they can get Reid re-elected and other democrats as well.
I’m sorry. Obama NEVER stopped fighting for what he wanted — and he got it.
Jane, thanks for not drinking the organic Koolaid. So many paybacks buried in one bill – how about the 12 years of data exclusivity before generic biologics can enter the market? A completely anti-competitive provision that seriously weakens access to all of drugs emerging from genetic medicine.
For shame, unions.
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Time for the same treatment of the “Bank of Cathol” (“The Vatican’s Dirty Secrets: Bribery, Money Laundering and Mafia Connections” at http://www.alternet.org/story/140435/the_vatican%27s_dirty_secrets:_bribery,_money_laundering_and_mafia_connections) and other such structures.
True. I understand where you are coming from with this statement.
I’m referring to the drastic turn from his campaign, as far as mandates, the PO, the tax etc.
They fight the good fight and don’t stop just because others have failed to do their part.
I’m sticking with them too.
As Jane wrote @ 20, it’s totally disingenuous for anyone to tell us that it’s our responsibility to drop our fight in order to help those who stood in the way of real reform and who gave the GOP everything they could possibly dream of to take back Congress.
It is also nearly every unemployed adult I know attending community colleges.
President Obama, Pod Person…’cause he sure isn’t the same fellow who campaigned.
it’s totally disingenuous for people like sangemon tell us that it’s our responsibility to drop our fight in order to help those who stood in the way of real reform and who gave the GOP everything they could possibly dream of to take back Congress.
Hear, hear.
What sort of concessions have unions got from industries for the workers in the last 30 years? What type of wage increases? Sure haven’t got them a 44% wage increase in 4 years like Trumka has received. Unions have went from fighting for, to fighting against their own people.
ditto
The shots in the circular firing squad aren’t being fired from here. And the only reason the public is confused is that the Obama WH set it up that way – throw enough sand in people’s eyes and they won’t see what you’re doing behind the scenes.
Jane has taken so much heat for daring to stand up to Dems for the actual Democratic platform I can only assume at this point all her clothes are made of a nice asbestos/Kevlar blend. That she continues to push for what we all know is right despite the nonstop vilification from her “allies” on the Left simply underscores the debt of gratitude we owe her. We’ve seen in this sorry HCR spectacle that there are few to no elected officials we can count on to follow through in the clutch. But that doesn’t mean the solution is to keep empowering the same people who take our money and votes but every time choose not to do what they promised to get the support. Personally, I’m done with them. It’s not the perfect who are the enemy of the good, it’s the mediocre.
fyi – Girlfriend was all over the biologics issue
The union movement needs another Harry Bridges. At one time the unions were great for working people. Not so much now.
“The question is, is everyone here going to continue to fight an unwinnable fight, and in the process villify and alienate everyone on our side who you deem to have let you down, ”
Abosolutely. And laugh at them.
November.
I’m also waiting to see if Secretary Sebelius carries on her fight against the recent insurance rate increases. I’d bet that was all insincere theater.
My guess is, we won’t see any public fighting on that again. It was all show to help pass the Senate bill, which will have no effect on premiums.
I disagree. Richard Trumka is great for the union movement. I find the road you are choosing to lead to self marginalization. It’s sad, because you were an important voice for progressives. I defended you at a high cost. I don’t buy the demonization of you, but the attacks on Woolsey and Trumka are over a line for me.
“We were told after Obama voted to let AT&T and Verizon off the hook with his FISA vote that when he got into office that would get fixed too. I don’t know how many times people are going to hold out those illussory footballs as if a public option vote would ever happen next year, but some people stopped kicking them a while ago.”
But, Jane, it’s all 11th dimension chess – just wait! /s
(sorry I don’t know how to pull from a comment other than copy and paste)
Jane Hamsher is the emergent name of leadership for progressives in this country. I’ve been toying with the idea of posting a piece titled “Jane Hamsher For President” over at TPM.
I’m putting a check in the mail today. Thank you.
fyi – simply right click the comment’s #, copy, paste :D
What a union leader like Trumka doesn’t understand is that if he doesn’t stand for the broader interests of the American worker and ordinary Americans in general, then they, and they dwarf the number of those in unions, will have no reason to stand with him or support unions.
Your theory is what worked so well to get nafta and media consolidation during the last democratic president. “Hey look at how horrible the republicans are while we put the screws to you.” don’t you ever get sick of bashing the republicans when it is your party that is destroying this country? e.g. jobs going overseas thanks to Clinton. Would you be supporting Bush if he had mandated us into private insurance and signed an EO to take away a womens rights. And please read the EO. Obama lied about it, surprise, surprise. If this is the best we can do under total democratic control, I am sorry, I don’t agree. People need to know the truth.
I just got an email from DFA. Howard Dean is calling Grayson a healthcare hero and promoting Grayson’s money bomb. Why? Does anyone else think there’s something wrong with this picture, or is it just me?
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- from “California AG Shuts Down Foreclosure Relief Companies,” Mar. 25, 2010, http://www.shamethebanks.org/mortgages-in-the-news/california-ag-shuts-down-foreclosure-relief-companies-
More at $hameTheBanks.Org
OT – St Pete for Peace in deecee last weekend.
I love the 21st century swastika sign.
Victory at any cost, is no victory at all. Please read Jane’s fact sheet and Rose Ann DeMoro’s in Huffington Post analysis of this bill so you know exactly what you are supporting.
Some of us whose college studies focused on the labor movement; and who have been quite active both in the labor movement and within our own unions, have known the dark side of organized labor for quite some time. Guess Whom Howard Zinn Called His Star Pupil? “jbjd.”
It would appear Dean is another who’s shown his true colours. All they’re gettin’ from me are blivits. Fuckin’ neoliberals.
No, I agree. I have begun to think these people create problems so we will send them more money to solve them..
I’ve been looking for more information on high road contracting but it seems hard to come by. The White House says it is still working on the policy and will announce details when they are finished.
Indeed, it was the fact that they announced the new policy without telling us exactly what it is that raised my suspicions that it was a quid pro quo with the AFL-CIO.
I was abused by my union far worse then the management and it hurts a whole lot more when they are the ones that are supposed to be supporting you and I was told that suing them is far harder than suing management and God.
Yes, he is.
ding!
And regarding their sponsors (and this is the “noble” minority):
“ZORG INC.“
I’ll never understand why people are so quick to follow that pathethic, childish and hypocritical doctrine of ‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend’.
It’s beyond belief.
Hi Jane,
Just saw Sen. Barrasso on TV making a very similar argument.
First Norquist, now Barasso. You really need to start hanging out with a better class of people :)
How did ROME fall? because this is just Crazy
The phony dems in congress who act like they are progressives but govern like republicans are passing Health Care Bills written by Republicans.
(Nancy Pelosi and James Clyburn the two top dems in house are telling the world how the bill they just pass is a Republican Bill. WOW! should Dems cheer about passing a Republican Bill? No)
The president who preaches like a left wing liberal, but governs like his hero Ronald Reagan is signing Health Care Bills written by Bob Dole a republican and the Heritage foundation a republican.
The Tea Party (which is the current republican party) is on the verge of burning down the USA, because the Dems passed a Republican Health Care Plan. (I thought Republican LOVE BIG business, the Health Care Bill is the ultimate Insurance Profit Plan)
The Unions Leaders are trying to cut funding for Community Colleges, when a lot of their members are now attending Community Colleges. WOW! (Trumka you do know that un-employment in the USA is now at 20%)
Pro Choice Dems are allowing a so call Pro Choice president destroy Roe vs Wade. (If Bush had done this, DC would be sea of ANGRY women wearing Pink)
We are LIVING IN A CRAZY, CRAZY, Time!
Pass the Jim Bean, I need a drink
I knew then, obama could not be trusted and would not listen to the people. Tons of people contacted him and begged him to not vote for that, but he wanted to have the power to spy on Americans when he got elected.
So Dean thinks that it’s the responsibility of the base of the Democratic Party to help House and Senate Democrats not lose their seats after they sold us all out?
Sorry, Howard. Not following you on this one.
I’d rather be a voice crying in the wilderness than an enabler of sellouts and corporate shills. I’m certainly not going to reward them for fooling the American people.
Sounds horrible. To paraphrase your comment, management is abusive but labor is abusive AND hypocritical. Insult to injury; management wins. (I don’t know what your situation was but, in many cases, collective bargaining agreements only duplicate rights existing under state and federal laws. The benefit of union representation is that, when you are wronged, you can grieve the offense as a violation of the collective bargaining agreement; and the union represents your interests. If they fail to fulfill this responsibility, you (usually) maintain your right to redress the wrongs, viz a viz state and federal venues. (Of course, then you are on your own.)
Isn’t it sad, for the first time in my life, I agree just as much with logical republicans as I do the democrats. It is truly an upside-down world. And because so many people are focusing on bad behavior from the republician, the democrats can get away with murder. just like when Clinton sold you out on jobs.
I did read it. I don’t think Jane was fair about the changes that did happen with Saturday’s signing.
I appreciate what Jane Hamsher has done to keep to keep the issues out in the open. Keep fighting for them. Seeing the glass as half empty rather than half full is just more “Dump the Hump”.
Why is it outrageous that one member in our Democratic “big tent” is sticking it to another? After all, that’s what we do here. Ask Rahm.
Thanks Jane for kicking butt and taking names. Well, as many names as you could ferret out. It is necessary if progressives are going to make informed choices about which candidates to support. And which will weasel out of commitments to progressives.
But the rhetoric about “a bill that gives the GOP everything they could possibly dream of to take back congress” might no longer be true. Sure, that was the way it appeared before the vote. But the signing of the bill into law has changed the political landscape. How much we won’t know until the dust settles–maybe in a month. The key issues in November are now going to be a broken Congress and jobs. And the Republicans have gone out of their way to undercut their own credibility on these two issues.
Once the dust settles, the key issue for us ceases to be the public option. The current law requires tighter Swiss-German-Dutch style regulation to be effective. The only alternatives are single-payer (Canadian system) or direct provision of services (British system). The assumption is that insurers are incapable of reining in their greed. If this is true, the bill will not bring about changes beyond including more people. That means that the political pressure for healthcare reform will reappear in 2012. The task for 2010 is to get a more progressive Congress. Notice that “more progressive Congress” does not mean “a progressive Congress”. There is much to do to get that. It means “no backsliding” into a Congress that looks like the Gingrich Congress.
And one of the important activities is making sure that the implementing regulations don’t undo what little the law has done.
It also means putting candidates that receive progressive support on notice that we expect those who get elected to walk the walk. It also means for those of us in more Republican parts of the country that we do some strange things. Where a Blue Dog has run to the right of Obama by not supporting is legislation, abandon him to a Republican. Where there is a Republican, vote for a Blue Dog if that is the only choice available and let him know that you expect support for the President. If there is a vulnerable Blue Dog and a viable primary opponent, primary him and then pull out the stops to win the general. If there is a Republican and a viable progressive Democrat, pull out the stops to win the general (this is in fact the case with NC-05, in which Billy Kennedy is taking on Virginia Foxx). If there is are progressives challenged by Blue Dogs or the Republicans, make sure the progressive prevails.
Maybe some of you can afford the luxury of litmus tests of politicians’ principles in your part of the country, but we have a huge amount of heavy lifting to do in the South before we have that luxury. Which is why most folks down here are supporting Tom Perriello despite his anti-choice vote. Because he was honest with his constituents about how he was going to vote both on that and on healthcare reform and willing to take a great risk doing so; he’s not ignorant about how some folks in his district feel. And most likely he will be re-elected because people in his district respect his honesty with them, even though he is less conservative than most of them are. It’s the “Ah know whar Jesse Helms stands even though I don’t always agree with him.” reaction shoving in a less conservative direction.
I like Howard Dean. He was against the Bushie Wars.
make no mistake about it, I am pursuing, but I am sure you would not believe what the union did and got away with, you would not believe it and at this point, I can not afford to pursue both. The whole management and the union of this huge organization are in bed with each other, they are all great buddies and would not jeopardize that.
How did Rome fall?
Government at the center became irrelevant, and government in the provinces became corrupt. And folks sought security where they could find it.
I like turtles.
you got that. did we call them f——g retards? and did anyone within the WH ever apologize? That is why they are going for the republican votes e.g. nancy pelosi etc. telling everyone this is a republican bill. They are just saying f— you to any progressive who does not agree with it. Who cares if they lose the female votes, they have the republicans.
A progressive congressman is only slightly more of an oxymoron than a progressive Democrat has become.
I might financially support a progressive, but not a Dem progressive. They’ve screwed the pooch. Vote for a Blue Dog? Nope. Tell someone to support a President who has screwed progressives at every freaking opportunity? Good luck with that.
You do not seem to understand how VERY pissed off the progressives are. You have my sympathies in the south and I hope your plan works for you. We tried incremental politcs (move an inch to the left with every election!) in the 70′s…you can see how well that worked.
The union movement does have another Harry Bridges. His name is Stewart Applebaum.
Go to the Retail, Wholesale & Department Store Union web site and have a look around.
By the way, did you know that Mark Twain was once a member of Typographers Union?
Trumka looks like someone out of good fellas or the godfather, need I say more?
Sabo Cat
Which progressives? The ones who congratulate themselves for living in a deep blue state? The ones who essentially have given up on politics altogether? The ones waiting for the revolution? The ones who would like their principles but would run the other way if their principles were actually governing principles?
I’m having a hard time understanding exactly who these mythical progressives are. And your sympathies for Southern progressives is so very touching. The same sympathies and support that the UTWA got in 1938. Sorry about that suppression and those murders by goons, but we can’t support our Southern unions because that might undo our power in the Roosevelt administration. You wonder why the South has not had a strong union presence despite a strong movement among textile workers in the 1930s. Progressives sold them out.
Fighting words, but, err, – what’s the plan again?
And what, exactly, the the “don’t rock the boat; go along to get along; fix it next year” crew [aka Democrats] get for their co-operation?
I didn’t see Dennis Kucinich, Donna Edwards, Grayson, Bernie Sanders or any of the others invited to the White House signing ceremony. [OTOH, maybe that was of benefit to them.]
But ole’ Bart Stupak and his pals were right there, and the provisions they held out for are now part of at least an Executive Order.
I’m not seeing too many Executive Orders on “our stuff.” [Hell, there's not even an EO abolishing DADT.]
And when the next fight comes — and you can be sure there will be one — who on earth is going to listen to or respect all those Democrats who promised and then folded? Bart Stupak may be a narcissistic ass, but he’s got negotiating down pretty well.
I would rather support people who are giving 75% than risk getting the R’s back in.
I agree Jane takes a lot of heat and does a lot of good. But that doesn’t mean the bill we got doesn’t have good things in it.
BTW, over at Salon [that bastion of left-leaning thought /snark], Kucinich is being touted as “the new face of the DCCC.”
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/03/24/kucinich_email/index.html?source=newsletter
I got that piece-of-shit e-mail yesterday, but I didn’t appreciate the full weight of it.
Good on ya Jane,keep shinning the light on the “scabs” who pretend
they are on board to help ordinary Americans.
You seem to be insinuating that people are hypocrites for refusing to support hypocrites. Is that what you meant to say?
Scabs indeed. That’s exactly what these people are.
Pop quiz: please list 10 “things that would happen” if the Republicans got back in.
I’ve been voting Democratic since 1968. Democrats have been using this scare tactic at least since then. I’ve never seen a worse bunch of “Democrats” in all those 42 years, and spooky tales about Republicans — as opposed to reality about Democrats — are not going to scare me any more.
To paraphrase zerohedge; on a long enough timeline (using your ‘strategy’) the survival rate of Democratic ideals will drop to zero.
Two things bottom line to get out of the cherade fest HCR year.
Give the labor movement… such as it may be… ( a handmedown vestige and convienient straw man device.) another black eye. For all to see it in the most unflattering light.
1. unions: unprincipled: wouldn’t either fight for good policy, IE: single payer, nor a regressive taxation of benefits, but would gladly accept special dispensations in the form of a “carve out” from the tax for them.
2. : will agree to “raid” money for students.
3. The loan money is unpopular because it will reduce the private bounty of the financiers. So …easy prey too
Bottom line: Turn these things against one anothere, The unions movement too often manuvered into spots that help demonize it.
Stupak is a sexist (proof lies only in his abortion amendment) ass but he has a little tiny redeeming light here – he’s trying to repeal NAFTA -http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2010/03/stupak_urges_congress_to_repea.html
In fairness (we’re not opposed to that, are we?), the “fix” is a bill, too, and he easily could have been saying a public option amendment would kill the reconciliation bill. Ultimately, I’d like a vote on it, but that Senate bill is atrocious and you know that’s not health care reform anybody in the House ever would have agreed to pass without the Reconciliation fixes.
@ fuckno
We’ve got the event horizon right here, no doubt. Dem resident, Dem congress, kabuki dance, voila! republican legislation.
Bastards.
Read my earlier post. I said no such thing. Quite the contrary.
I’m going to need an enumeration of the 75% being given. And I agree 100% with Mauimom that the GOP boogieman is no longer sufficient reason to support the current Democratic Party (which is now barely distinguishable from 1970s Republicans, as some here have pointed out recently as well).
Numbers aside, sure one can argue that it’s worth keeping on people who kind of sort of do their jobs and represent their stated positions some of the time as opposed to the people whose stated positions are in opposition to what we want. But there’s another test that gets ignored by the “good enough Dems” crowd, and that is what they do in a crisis. And what we have seen from one “good Dem” after another is that when real leadership is needed, even required, they buckle and fold like the paper tigers they are. I don’t need people to represent me who tell me everything I want to hear but disappear when I need them the most. I won’t vote GOP but I am not voting for another mealy-mouthed Dem if I can help it.
Though doesnt this immunity to tax have a sunset on it? So he is fighting for something that will eventually go away. I have to say that I am very pro-labor, but I’m starting to loathe the wheelers and dealers in the labor movement that seem unable to realize that labor was at its best when it was fighting for all workers. When it looks like they are defending only labor members or worse yet labor bosses then they will continue to suffer a loss in numbers.
1. Nothing Obama proposed after 1/3/2011 would pass. Obama would only have veto power like Clinton circa 1995.
2. Focus would go back on the stupid parts of the Bush tax cuts.
3. Further playing of racial divisions for political gain.
4. Federal courts would continue to empty out of judges, with no replacements. Or only Republican sponsored ones.
5. Other federal appointees (EEOC for example), same thing. It would be government by recess appointments.
6. If we need a second stimulus, forget it.
7. “Southern values”, which is live off the Northeast tax money while you complain about “big government” and “socialism” would become (even) more the political norm.
8. The prism of “terrorism” would again the new strawman through which every policy would be judged. Like 2002.
9. Forget our standing in the world.
10. Congress renamed “Holy Congress”
“1. Nothing Obama proposed after 1/3/2011 would pass. Obama would only have veto power like Clinton circa 1995.”
That would be so worth it.
: )
Oh boy are you going to be getting a wake up call in November.
Just remember when it happens, it’s not the progressives fault. No politician or party has a RIGHT to our vote. It is our responsibility to vote for those candidates that represent our interests, and not vote for those that don’t. So when November comes and you see just how many progressives left the D train, the blame lies squarely on the Democrats for not representing our interests.
You have just lost your case.
Based on what my “lyin’ eyes” have seen thus far, I can live without Obama getting to propose anything else.
And you’re thinking this isn’t already the case? Go read a few of Obama’s speeches on “keeping America safe.” And how about GITMO and “no trials for you”?
What that list tells me is very little substantive changes would be made. The fact is the Republicans have no idea what they would do if they were allowed to govern, most likely more ignorant tax cuts and military spending. I’m not seeing a difference between this Democratic Congress/President and a responsible (instead of effing crazy) Republican Party. This health bill is essentially a hybrid of the worst ideas of McCain and Clinton (circa 2008) with a few more egregious insurance practices being banned. The stimulus was 1/3 tax cuts, despite spending having a larger multiplying effect and bank reforms still originate out of the Fed instead of a new watchdog agency.
I’ll take the blame, I want it in fact.
Traitors to who? People who aren’t their membership, but never the less, expect those Unions to work for them too. Don’t be silly, if you want Union protection organize. Then pay the costs in effort and money, stop expecting everyone else to give you a free ride.
Why is that a hard concept for Democrats to get? Sell out the left and they do not vote. The whole Sarah Palin boogy man thing only works on Democrats and not on liberals and progressives (who are more loyal to causes and issues than parties.)
Though I have to say that the Republicans are not doing themselves any favors with independents by running headlong to the right and obstruction.
Trumka seems to be eating well, true.
Meh, I won’t lie and say there won’t be any spiteful glee on my part, because there will be some of that.
But all things considered, I’d rather the Democrats had acted like Democrats and be able to point that glee at the Republicans.
But, like I said. Not my fault. I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me.
1) Medicaid finally breaches the 100% of poverty mark.
2) Guaranteed issue
3) Health exchanges
4) People required to pay in before they get sick.
I miss the 1970′s Republicans. The ’60′s ones even more. I think it went downhill from the point that Jerry terHorst resigned (Ford pardoned Nixon.)
You’re right of course.
: )
That really doesn’t answer my question.
I don’t see any Democrats losing this November in North Carolina, except maybe for Larry Kissell who voted against the bill; in fact, we might pick up a seat.
I see primary challenges from more progressive candidates against Blanche Lincoln, Bart Stupak, and Larry Kissell. If they win, they must have progressive voters to win the general; are progressives going to sandbag this accountability?
Tell me which Congressional seats you see being lost because progressives fail to show up.
I’ve played this game myself whenever I wanted to put people off. My response would always be to see me the 2nd Tuesday of the next week. The PO will be NOW thanks to FDL working on Sen. Bennett or never, though I expect folks just like you to harp on the hope of that 2nd Tuesday thing. No More.
OK, it is 3 am where I am, so you folks all win!
hear hear
I don’t know what it’s like where you’re at, but here in my rural area where pretty much everyone knows everyone. The “Democrats” that I know DO get it. I’m a Democrat (or was). I used to work the polling places, giving out the blue D sample ballots. Used to volunteer at the County HQ for phone banking, etc. etc.
To a person, these “Democrats,” at least here, are saying just what I’m saying. They can’t believe where the Party has gone, they’re not voting for them EVER again (I still think some of THAT is bullshit, but I take them at their word for this year).
I think a lot of the rank and file Democrats Do get it. I even think some of the folks in the power circles of the Democratic Party get it too, which is why more and more folks (and especially as we get closer to election day) are going to be posting here (and at other places) trying to quell that message and feeling.
You know, the same tired old scare tactics at first. “We can’t let the Republicans back in.” Then when that isn’t getting anywhere, it will turn quickly to insults “You people (don’t know why that term seems so popular with them) need to grow up.” The latter is always funny to me. I mean, how many folks are you going to persuade to change their mind and support your side by insulting them??
It’s going to be a fun summer. I just hope enough progressives follow through. The Democratic Party HAS GOT TO BE SENT A MESSAGE.
NO MORE! You’re either with us or the corporations. Pick one.
your 10 fails. hard.
1. You fail to realize how much Obama and the conservatives have in common. (See the HIR recently passed). I bet Obama would happily sign lots of GOP bills into law in the spirit of bi-partisanship.
2. You fail to say that Obama has not repealed those tax cuts, or that tax cuts were part of the stimulus.
3. So no change here.
4. So no change here.
5. So no change here.
6. I’m sure it would be full of tax cuts, and too little stimulus like the last one.
7. So no change here.
8. So no change here. See our Afghanistan policy, the recent reauth of Patriot Act, etc
9. Silly.
10. Hyperbole.
I’m a city dweller at the moment and most Dems I know are all party oriented. My father, a dyed in the wool Democrat and “rural” voter, certainly gets it too. Maybe its because in many rural places the Democratic party is so weak, so the only thing you have are issues and policy, not personalities.
Stop the misguided union-bashing, Jane!
The excise tax on so-called “cadillac” plans, which Trumka fought against, hits ALL working middle class Americans, not just union workers.
Trumka rightly fought this excise tax but it’s not just union members who benefit.
Unions fought hard to get all Americans the 8 hr day, lunch breaks, pensions, weekends off, OSHA, etc…………….
So stop with the union-bashing here!
It’s zero sum for the funding. But don’t take let this corrupt HCR bill further decimate the middle class workers.
Put the blame on the real culprit: Obama
Obama cut deals with Big Pharma and the hospitals to quash any possibility
of a robust PO.
Obama lied to Americans on hte campaign trail when he ran on the public option. He never had any intention of getting one. This HCR bill is just what Obama wants: the horrible senate version.
Nah, I’ll just tell you one quick and easy, OK?
The Republican are going to take back the House (and maybe the Senate, but I won’t go there yet).
And it will be a combination of: 1) the economy; 2)the lack of enthusiasm/support from progressives for passing a POS bill and shitting on their own base; and 3)an exuberant base on the other side, galvanized by a POS health care bill that they were stupid enough to pass with a mandate in it, making the Republicans own 30 second commericals for them.
I think the point of the OP was that things such as what you listed would not be pushed for by the current labor movement. Which is to say they got theirs, fuck off. If labor wants to be trusted again then they should fight tooth and nail every American worker rather than just their membership. EFCA, their baby, helps with organizing, but what about doing something with regards to At-Will employment too?
Could be, I dunno.
My whole family’s been dyed in the wool Democrats too because my father was an organizer for a union. Sort of seemed being a Democrat was just the way it was.
My father wouldn’t tolerate this Democratic Party either though, may he rest in peace. The only thing he hated worse than Republicans was big corporations. Man he wouldn’t believe this D party now.
So why are the unions threatening those Dems who voted NO on HCR. They, with Obama’s backing want to punish anyone who disagreed with them and didn’t play ball.
In CA, SEIU is despised by many for Andy’s Stern disgusting dictatorial rule.
Home Health care workers suffered most.
I was disgusted getting that e mail with Howard Dean’s name on it, in behalf of Grayson.. I unsubscribed, telling Grayson he was a basic sellout on the public option.
You’re missing some of the nuance here. The unions are NOT threatening the House Dems who voted against the health care insurance bill. These guys all get a tongue lashing, but otherwise its a free pass because of special circumstances in their districts.
Stephen Lynch is a good example. This guy is actually a union member with a lifetime rating from AFL-CIO of 97 percent. Unions have been investing in his political career for 20 years. They are not going to turn on him because of one vote.
No, unions are good when they work right.
That makes the president pretty powerful. So if the blame goes there, and that’s it, what do you need those pesky balance of power things for. Ain’t they supposed to put up some resistance against presidents getting too forceful? Who do you think programmed the puppet then, …that old song… “One [homined... ] don’t stop no show…?”
That’s ridiculous to put the blame on the president, unless it is for capitulation, to conservatives… duh..
lying is a occupational preocupation any ways.
From what I read today in the press, Trumka/unions want to run the DEM NO voters out of town and primary them.
I absolutely agree. And you know, if it doesn’t happen next year, why I’m sure if we just elect a few more democrats and give them more money it will the year after that. And if that doesn’t work, well then we just need to keep giving the democrats who can’t do anything and whose vote we can’t depend on more money and more time.
got one from Debbie Wasserman-Schulz.
“Alan Grayson and I have one thing in common; we tell it like it is. Sometimes it sounds pointed and direct. Sometimes it catches people off guard. But it is better to be direct so everyone understands the serious consequences of our actions.”
I had to do some serious wiping of my coffee splattered Imac’s screen.
*sigh* thank God for Jane.
Yes, I’ve read that too, but I think the reports come from gullible journalists and bloggers who mistake a few peevish words for real action.
Karen Ackerman, one of AFL-CIO’s top lobbyists, has been quoted as saying that the AFL-CIO will concentrate on supporting Dems who took a hard vote, not on punishing the handful who voted no.
The post doesn’t argue that the fix wasn’t needed, so — straw man.
It could have been paid for in various ways. It was paid for out of student loans.
If you’re not allowing another way (the public option) to be voted on, you have to accept the responsibility for that.
The unions took money for their fix from student loans. They did not want it to come from the savings on the public option. That’s just a fact. It’s not “union bashing.”
“The unions are NOT threatening the House Dems who voted against the health care insurance bill?” Really?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34984.html#ixzz0jDSwvSYA
__”Why Is Richard Trumka Taking Money From College Students to Pay for Union Fix?”__
yeah! Or more simply still, “When will Mr. Trumka’s union workers, and election-year on-the-ground campaign troops, realize that they are BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE, and that Trumka is now spouting RAHM EMANUEL’s talking points, which is to say, “GOLDDAMN SACHS, JPMorgan-Chase; Citi-bank, and WALL STREET’s talkin’ points?!
Com’n Jane. These comments are so mild they they can’t possible qualify as threats.
Anna Burger says “expect no help from us.” What kind of threat is that? Ackerman says labor is “deeply disappointed.” Christ, she sounds like my mother.
These aren’t threats, these are mild admonitions offered up for PR purposes only.
And anyway, this story is from that idiot at Politco who prints everything that the SEIU flunkys tell him.
Dear Jane,
Thanks for the post. My view is that the events of this HCR show how the individuals, are weak.
A union if anything is supposed to affirm the strength of the many to protect the few. A union Slogan: “An injury to one is an injury to all.”
This has been an interesting time to see practical psychology in action, The way the aspects of the legislation have been worked emphasizes several ways that the individual, and small groups, can be expertly trashed and have their noses rubbed in the dirt. It shows false baiting and manipulations, and character fault exploitations.
Representatives stand in to be mocked and used as proxies for us all.
The role of representative, as in Congress, or union presidents, representing our interests, has been reversed to the role of taking the pie in the face in the
Kabuki… Slapstick public arena.I don’t notice Obama having threatened to do the same to Lieberman, his stool pigeon, and the other duds who were set up to kill the public option, Medicare Buy in.
They were Obama’s henchman that he could blame for everything the voters overwhelmingly wanted in the bill that never made it in.
So now, like two faced whores, he and Rahm are going after the naysayers to the crap bill promising to get rid of these Congressmen at mid terms and beyond.
A rude awakening is awaiting Obama when all Dems who voted YES will suffer consequences at the ballot box.
In a whole lot of Congressional Districts, progressives are not the Democratic base. Just because you are not voting for them doesn’t mean that all progressives (maybe 13% of voters nationally) are not voting for them.
And it is a long time and a lot of legislation before November.
I forgot the best part.
That the premiere union presence on the scene didn’t come off looking like he was all that concerned for the plight of all, but rather…
is seen as capitulating to a special “carve out”deal, which no matter how much pressure or the like, is what it is: He and the union movement,has been aligned to, or put in a plausible accusation of whore status. “Let’s make a deal” No not when it is the Greatest legislative moment in history… You need to stand a little more tall sometimes than make cheap ass deals like that one, and take the kiddies f’n school money, you chump!
I really hate the term we used to laugh about it though… “Labor whore…”
Thank you, indiepro, for your detailed response. i was racing out the door when I saw Hoofin’s original post, so I didn’t have time to make the points you so succinctly did.
I would also point out to him that this is what comes from getting your “information” from boogeyman tales from the DNC and OFA.
When you’ve lived it, and realize this stuff is just crap, it loses its sting.
I’ve heard a lot recently of this kind of defense. “You can’t believe what the New York Times/Politico/Washington Post” say.
Which, often, you can’t. But the autoritarian way it’s now being evoked — to discredit something that is clearly in line with everything the unions have been saying and doing for weeks — is very reminiscent of the Bush dead-enders who dismissed everything that they didn’t want to believe about their leader.
I am not sure all the members here would want that.
One Bush tax cut was reduce part of the 15% bracket to 10% for very low earners, and 28% to 25% in the upper middle class. Plus the $1,000 per child tax credit. That had a lot of Democratic support. Those cuts expire at the end of this year, too. I’d rather Congress keep them and get rid of the 15% for multimillionaires’ unearned income.
I’m not so sure this is “no change” there. The Republican screamers are quickly isolating themselves on that score. They are an embarrassment to what the Republican Party used to be.
Right now, Obama can’t get things filled because of minority obstruction. If the Republicans controlled everything, they could say it was the will of Congress.
This may be true the more I think about it, either way.
Yet Congress is working on a $150 billion bill now, from what I hear. If it were Bunning’s party in control, forget that. Unemployment would be the unemployed peoples’ fault.
More people are realizing that the loudest screamers in the Republicans are often on public welfare by one name or another. Like that Alabama brick guy.
I think Obama’s been much better curbing the rhetoric. We still do live in a dangerous world, though, you know.
This matters if you live overseas.
Yes, a joke. But the whole screwy notion that America has lost its (Christian) way, conveyed in one subtlety after another, has a much harder time in a pluralistic Democratic Congress. The pseudo-Christian sentiment is restricted to the party’s pro-life contingent. The majority is not going around talking this “we’re so God-fearing” nonsense while they pass legislation to make life more difficult for the people who live the Bible and not simply hide behind it.
Well, there is no point in arguing about something that hasn’t happened yet.
Let’s just make a side bet to be settled on election day. If the AFL-CIO/CtW launches a major campaign against any of the five guys named, then I will stand the drinks at any ridiculously expensive bar of your choice in DC (and I’ll pay for Michael Whitney too).
The only caveat I offer is that the efforts of Working Families Party in NY against Arcuri don’t count. Those guys are actually serious about holding the Dems to account, and they don’t take instruction from Washington anyway.
By fighting against the unfair excise tax in the HCR bill, unions ARE fighting for ALL workers!
It wasn’t JUST union workers who would benefit if the excise tax were tweaked or removed.
Otherwise: Unions DO still fight for ALL workers. Why is that so hard to understand?
I’m amazed at the union-bashing on this site.
Unions need to be strong to prevent corporations from offshoring jobs or slashing payrolls. It’s becasue corporations have become so powerful—thanks to politicians like Obama and decades of republican appointments to the NLRB—that the deck is stacked against unions and therefore against all workers.
It’s folly to say unions only care about their own members. They care a bout all workers. And those who aren’t union members are free to start organizing drives at their workplaces.
Andy Stern of SEIU is autocratic. He’s tried to rein in dissident local leaders and that’s the opposite of democracy.
It’s ghastly the way many top level union leaders pushed for the final HCR bill.
I applaud dems who stood up to it and voted no. I think Lynch falls into this category.
But don’t equate top tier union leaders with the unions themselves, especially not with rank and file and local leadership.
Top tier union leaders have gotten way too cozy with corporate CEOs, and that’s a huge problem. Combatting that oligarchical tendency takes strong local leadership.
Oh trust, as one of those minority youth, I’m definitely am living that right now, and that will probably be the continued case for a long time in the relatively speaking for black and hispanic students compared to the rest.
” don’t think it is fair to say Trumpka is trying to pay for the union fix by harming college students. He’s doing his job. Congress decides how to pay for what. They not he are targeting the student loan money. Pitting union workers against college students…”
GOOD POINT. Fetid fedgov did this particular backroom deal, but they’re looking for everyone to scapegoat the unions.
I would be more inclined to continue criticizing unions for doing what they did do–selling out the public option for a VERY small win for their membership.
This was also a very DUMB move on their part, as they missed a golden opportunity to broaden their base of support beyond their dwindling (and aging) membership.
Union leadership has been engaging in the same sort of compromising with corporate power as the D-Party, while attempting to appease the right wing base that is either simply ideologically opposed to unionization, or who only see themselves as PAYING FOR (public) unions through taxation, or who are envious of their (relative) job security.
Once more, while unions and the D-Party have delivered NOTHING to these people, the press will pin the bill for their excise tax relief–to the tune of $18.5 billion–on the unions. We always knew they were anti-education, and thus anti-American, the last refuge of overpaid and lazy unskilled lumps of labor that free market trade agreements should righteously disenfranchise for the common good.
Right? And “liberals” say republicans are the stupid ones.
OK, so there we have it. Trumpka is a Neoliberal suckup. Another Obama tool doing what Obama wants, just like EVERYBODY else.
Obama’s bleeding out the nation and all who surround him continue to con the sweaty masses that Dems and Obama are for working people.
Trumpka is a coward and a fool. It’s Labor who should be tearing Obama a new one day after day. Instead we get weak, backstabbing, whores like Trumpka who gets on his knees to kiss Obama’s ring. Shit like this is why we’re going down hard and fast.
Obama and the NeoLiberal Party, formerly the Democratic Party, use anyone and everyone to transfer more and more away from those needing it most, to those they serve best.
America has so many willing victims, perfect prey for this horribly devious bunch.
Jane,
Can you please re post Willy Loman’s “Like Water to Wine” from 3/24.
I missed it that day, but someone just recommnded it and it blew me away.
It’s the greatest summation on the Obama Presidency and all the minions who sell us out through their hypocrisy.
Thanks.
Loved the last pragraph. Very well said.