Having suckered you into giving up your email address, fundraised heavily and built up their mailing lists by disingenuously flogging the public option, the veal pen turns around and shoots it in the back to save Michael Bennet’s ass. Yesterday SEIU and Progress Colorado showed up when David Sirota and 40-50 public option supporters delivered 34,000 petition signatures to Bennet’s office to protest AGAINST the public option.
David Herszenhorn of the New York Times states what’s happening very clearly, and debunks the “public option will get a vote later” lie:
[T]he Democrats said they had agreed among themselves to resist the temptation to make any amendments and would work to approve the bill without any changes that would require it to be sent back to the House for another vote. The public option, they said, could wait for another day, another vote, another fight — even though the parliamentary process playing out on the Senate floor gave them a rare chance to enact it with a simple majority, a chance unlikely to come around again soon.
But the bill is going to go back to the House for another vote as of this morning, so that excuse has melted. It now takes its place along side “60 voters,” “50 votes,” “the President supports the public option” and “I’ve only had two beers, officer” in the feeble excuse Hall of Fame. It was all bullshit anyway — as if bills aren’t routinely sent back and forth between houses all the time. It’s almost as good as Michael Bennet’s “it will kill the bill” — as if the health care bill wasn’t already signed into law by the President. Exactly how many people he thought would “die” by the delay of a “tax fix” is unknown. (See “Frosh Sen. Michael Bennet Won’t Offer Public Option Amendment, Still Seems Not To Understand How Legislative Process Works“)
But I really do think that the veal pen groups who are stepping out to cover Bennet’s ass, rubber stamp his lies and shoot the public option once and for all should acknowledge their self-interest in doing so. The unions, for example, want to raid billions in student loan money for their excise tax fix. And the NYT quotes Families USA:
But other liberal advocates said they agreed with Democratic leaders.
“I think everyone who has been pushing for reform wants to get the last piece of legislation completed as soon as possible, and that means no amendments to the pending bill,” said Ron Pollack, the executive director of Families USA, a liberal advocacy group that has fought hard for health care overhaul. “The question of a public plan option will await another day.”
Families USA is a Soros-funded group that has been a key player in negotiating the secret White House deals with stakeholders. And Pollack has been concern trolling to drop the public option all along. Back in October, Pollack was touting the virtues of the Senate bill and saying the public option was just not very important: “I don’t think we want to jeopardize that because we did not get exactly what we wanted,” he told the Nightly Business Report.
But Pollack isn’t acknowledging that he’s one of those who put together the unholy “Baucus caucus” cartel that carved up the health care bill in the first place. As the National Journal reported last May, “Ron Pollack, executive director of the nonprofit Families USA, has convened two successive rounds of negotiations with insurers and other business interests since 2004 to find common ground on complex and contentious issues underlying the reform debate.” Those talks came to fruition in the May 11 meeting at the White house, where “stakeholders” (including PhRMA) delivered their proposals to “voluntarily” reduce cost increases over the next 10 years.
And according to Harry Reid, on a May 9 panel hosted by Ron Brownstein of the National Journal, Pollack is the one who negotiated the deal for the PhRMA proposal with Billy Tauzin:
Audience:Hi I’m Paul Helmke, the head of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. The Supreme Court said last year that we have Second Amendment rights but — (crosstalk) — used to be a Republican mayor in Fort Wayne, Indiana, so good business person too. We can have reasonable restrictions along with the Second Amendment, we continue to see shootings…is there any way we can make progress in the Senate on something like gun control? You mentioned it briefly.
Reid:Of course there is. And I think we have to have all the groups, one of which you belong to, stop being “it’s either our way or the highway.” I have found that in the gun debate there’s so little ability to communicate. For example, in health care, Billy Tauzin came to visit with me yesterday or the day before, the former Congressman from Louisiana. They worked on an agreement with a very liberal group, Families USA. We don’t see any of this in the gun debate, none of it. And I think for us to get our health care legislation passed, we’re going to need more of the Tauzin work with [Families USA Executive Director] Ron Pollack. I don’t see that in the gun debate and that’s too bad.
There were ultimately more negotiations before the PhRMA board finally ratified the deal on June 19, but PhRMA subsequently used Families USA as a front group through which they ran the ads that were the political payoff for their deal on the health care bill.
And what does Families USA want out of this? Well, the elaborate new scheme to funnel the maximum amount of taxpayer money to private companies needs the technology to do that. Says Politico:
Families USA executive director Ron Pollack has chartered a non-profit group, tentatively named Enroll America, that would create a major, nationwide operation to ensure that people newly eligible for Medicaid and insurance subsidies are able to easily apply and receive those benefits. The plan, of course, is contingent upon reform passing.
Pollack said he has reached out to reform supporters like PhRMA and hospitals and opponents such as America’s Health Insurance Plans and Blue Cross Blue Shield and found them all interested in participating.
The New York Times and others need to start asking these “liberals” on the “other side” what they’re getting in out of the bill. A self-interested PhRMA front group should not be describing itself as a “liberal advocacy group.”




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Let me see if I have this part straight. Ron Pollack, Executive Director of the Soros funded Families USA, brokered a deal among ‘outed’ stakeholders to pass ‘health care’ legislation without a public option; in exchange for which he would receive the contract to register the millions of applicants for Medicare and subsidized care under the individual mandates contained in the bill he brokered.
If true, this is incredible.
This reminds me of the Cheney Energy Task Force bullshit. Now the Democrats are doing it. Truly reprehensible.
Oh darn. Got fooled again by those clever corporatists (PDF file).
Maybe FamiliesUSA should put Jon Gruber and Richard Trumka on the Board of Directors.
it wasn’t that long ago that that very disclosure would merit a Pulitzer
Part of the problem is that the very liberal Reid called them very liberal. Maybe they are according to his understanding of the word. We can assume that as all of the now properly liberalified Ds who have supported this insurance bonanza find other corporate constituents who figure out how to get their own slice of this pie that the liberal lobbyist donations will pour in. Not only bending the cost curve for enhanced corporate profits but bending the definition of liberal for the same effect.
Once the meaning of neoliberal is interchangeable with liberal then the NYT and their contemporaries can stop worrying about people asking them to investigate when they write stuff.
Families USA goes beyond veal pen. They’re running the slaughterhouse.
Everyone remember how part of the Baucus deal was to stiff Ron Wyden’s (D-OR) proposals? Point number 3 on an Oregon AFL-CIO mailer I got last summer (entitled “STOP Wyden’s Health Plan”) was that it provided “No Public Health Insurance Option.”
So, yeah, the AFL-CIO’s securely in the veal pen now.
As someone recently put it, the Constitution days – before Bush.
Now this stuff doesn’t raise an eyebrow unless a corporation fails to make their lobbyist payments. Then, we can assume, they get a sternly worded letter about being in arrears.
The word “Pulitzer” actually crossed my mind when I read this. Really, this story is explosive. I am posting the link everywhere.
Quite reVealing.
Arggghhh…
I would also like to be a Stakeholder in this process… with the denizens of the Veal Pen as Dracula.
Well, I don’t feel bad. I didn’t give to any of them. The public option was obviously not going to happen from the word “go” and all of the fund raising bullshit was just that. I don’t give my bank information or SSI number to emailers from Kenya who say I’ve won the lottery either.
More like “Oh baby, you know I love you.”
Like a disease trying to get the attention of a person so they actually do something, this is just going to get more and more egregious until we out here wake up and realize that the whole system is irreparably broken.
And we out here as the cheated on, battered wives need to either accept that if we stay then this is the partner and the treatment we want, or we need to get up and leave.
It reminds me of the old joke about the hunter and the bear. The hunter is out hunting bear, and he shoots at this huge grizzly bear but misses, and in his anger the bear catches the hunter and violently *ssrapes him. Since all good jokes have things happen in threes, this same thing happens again the next weekend, and the next. After violently *ssraping the hunter for the third time, the bear looks down at the hunter lying there bleeding, abused and covered in c*m and wisely says,
“This isn’t really about hunting, is it?”
Somebody remind me how these democrats are different than republicans. This is absolutely repulsive.
Fuck these people. We can find real allies.
Obama and the democractic party seem to be trying to suck all the life out of any progressive movement.
Obama and the democractic party
seem to be trying to suckhave sucked all the life out of any progressive movement.I’ve been wandering around a long time wondering if I was the only one seeing the perfect analogy to Cheney and the oil companies. Thank you!
Of course. There’s never been any secret about how Orahma feels about liberals. Despised but exploited. Openly.
And guess what? AHIP is already kicking sick kids to the curb (h/t nyceve):
David Sirota put it pretty succinctly on Twitter (of course everything on Twitter has to be succinct)
I’d say you’re mistaken about who’s sucking whom.
Hell yes! Before these fake, inadequate “controls” take place waaaay down the road, the Insurance companies are going to move to maximize their profitability. Then, by the time they come into effect, their legions of attorneys will have figured out the best way around them. Raise your hand if anybody here believes for a nanosecond that the Democrats will remember their promise to revisit single payer when this “new” system proves just as shitty as the last.
here’s how effing cynical I have become – it would not surprise me to find out even this is staged so as to afford POTUS a public scold opportunity whilst on his Sell-A-Palooza tour
1…2….cha cha cha
not that these beasts wouldn’t vivisect their own mothers for a .001% change in the share price
Any forms connected to Medicare contracts fall under the Federal False Claims Act. This certainly looks like a quid pro qou.
Any attorneys have any ideas?
The GOP would love to jump Soros. If anyone knows a reporter at the WSJ, they would love this.
Obama lied his way into the White House Period. (this is becoming the normal mode of operation for a lot dems, talk like a PROGRESSIVE and govern like RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE)
The Democratic party is suffering from what a lot of people call the CLINTON CANCER, (the Clinton Cancer is when a so cal Dem talks like a Progressive and Governs like A republican)
indiepro, what the voters, have got to get thru their THICK SKULLS is the fact the Democratic party of FDR, JFK, has been HIJACKED. Jane, Glenn Greenwald, and others are pointing this out Daily
Remember this if Obama has said the following would he had won 2008
I am Obama and I am against the Public Option
I am Obama and I am going to try destroy Roe vs Wade
I am Obama and I am going to FORCE all of you to Health Insurance
I am Obama and I am going to start more Wars
Could Obama or any Dem win a democratic primary, local, state, national election saying things like this? No
So the progressive base of the Democratic Party is very strong! the problem is a lot of deceitful people have join the democratic party.
It is up to you, to tell everybody about How Obama and Phony Dems lie all the time!
It’s good to know that the special interest groups that were set up to help push certain policies have become captive to the vested interest groups, now referred to as stakeholders.
I expect an interesting time for NGOs as this becomes more widely known.
Thanks again for not only getting the facts, but then lining them up nicely to make the dots connect.
Awesome.
It’s always made me wonder WTF the wingers want to bring up fake issues like Orahma’s birth certificate when there are very real and much more salient lies he has told.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
The healthcare fight will continue as it has for the last 70+ years but please don’t stop what you have started in politically confronting the corporatist Democratic machine and threatening their numbers to force ‘em to begin to look over their other shoulder at the neo-Nazis who they will be left to triangulate with in order to remain in power. The banking reform and jobs bills are in the fast lane now and the fascist Republicans are more than a step behind in the power to shape the bankin bill since it’s out of committee without any fascist votes.
The bait and switch on healthcare of some of labor is very distressing but as long as you target the vulnerable Blue Dogs and the corporatists in blue districts, the White House won’t be able to use labor against us this Fall.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, FORWARD IS THE ONLY OPTION!!
All war is base on Decption!
For example, the entire war on terror, is a way to keep oil prices high.
Okay:
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/president-obama-strongly-supports-publi
- Tom
THAT, was funny, I needed a good laugh . . thanks. *G*
Counting on their hatred of Soros, I just forwarded a link to this post to heardonthestreet at WSJ dot com.
That is not an ideal venue for this kind of scoop, I hope others can do better.
Yeah, I left a long wind about that in the post below . . . *mournfulsigh*
Me too.
I mean, I’m not in advertising at all, but I could come with some damn good commericials for the Republicans to use. That would actually be true.
Maybe the Republicans really do insist on avoiding the truth and always lying.
Got ‘em this far I guess.
Now the Democrats have beaten ‘em at their own game.
And the losers of this game isn’t the Republicans, it’s us.
Assholes.
amen and thank you Margaret. HCR has offered them platinum, diamond encrusted oppo talking points in the mandate, and ‘doesn’t go in to effect until 2014′
being modulation challenged, they jump right out of the box with ‘IRS Goon Squads – boogah boogah ! turning it all back in to straw
I had forgotten that. You have a copy of that?
thanks for the link
Bank reform and job bills are no better in serving the masses than the HCR bill will.
And the dem’s are as fascist (corporate owned) in their governance, if not more, than the Pubs.
I fail to note a basis for your optimism regarding banking reform OR job bills under way . . .
Lying has become their default position. Look at the firing of the US attorneys by the chimp, (BUSH folks, BUSH!). They didn’t have to lie. All they had to do was say that they serve at the president’s discretion and that would have been that but instead they chose to impugn their characters and professionalism with made up, obvious bullshit. Orahma and the Dems are rapidly coming to the same position of lying by default.
Because the theater is not about the truth, it’s about the fabrication. What good would it do them to call him out for being one of them? The triangulation relies on maintaining the “conservative vs. liberal” facade. Whenever I see the guy scorning the republicans, I’m just thinking “You are one slick, lying-assed m@!h3rf*&r.”
Mz. Hamsher, despite my doom and gloom today, may I add that as I watch it all burn down it remains a DELIGHT and a pleasure to have FDL continue to peel away the layers of treachery and evil for us readers to see.
NO ONE does it better than you, and FDL, no one.
The other info sources, be they MSM or the blogosphere have begun to fail as bad as the dems we have elected.
So yours is one bright shining light and thanks to you and FDL. It’s become a solitary light, but it’s bright and shining!!!!
There is nothing about these people to support, Norske. Take a good look. The dem party you’re defending is long gone.
I could have done without the pic. *sigh*
Thanks, Jane! Great work!
Been gone. The Clintons tied it up, took it out into the back and shot it in the head. NOT that it was that healthy back then, just saying Bill and the DLC hurried it’s demise.
[Mod Note: Please avoid the violent rhetoric and imagery. It is not necessary to make the point]
Norske, when you said “banking reform” do you mean the finance reform? Because Dodd all ready took the teeth out of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaV-6qerkqI
Nothing compared to what is being done today.
Well, well
but he didn’t have the votes to get it through Congress (read down a little in this).
Who woulda thunk it??
Not only that, but in order to get off their lists, you have to give them your e-mail address again, because they don’t actually link from their own mailing list. (I may start sending mine to the spam filter.)
Do they really want us to re-elect the incumbents who are so not representing their constituents?
Yeah, there’s got to be some means of letting them know this, and making them pay/suffer for it.
Although, if we can’t CHANGE the party (due to corporate ownership) then any effort to make them pay/suffer by voting, withholding funding, etc. may be a waste of time.
If most progs/libs en masse went INDIE (and as fractured as we all are now I don’t see any united acts coming soon) in party affiliation, that might cause SOME reaction, but would it influence the corporate power and control over the political/legislative process on behalf of we the people?
I don’t think so.
We can’t rehab the political party’s, or the political process, at this point.
It’s been fully usurped and corrupted by the corporate machine.
Now what? I don’t know.
Yep, that would be one of MY points regarding present efforts with bank/finan reform, AND the jobs bill. No teeth, no real world impact to benefit we the people.
Cripes, our government is like an insane asylum. Guess there will be some dumb suckers who believe it, so why not say it.
Fuck you, Obama.
Wasn’t gonna get smarmy . . . Carly’s had moments of grace, but too pop for me then and now. A lovely woman then and now, a tortured soul regarding public performance and her personal life. Oh well, that’s us boomers!!! *G*
Send the Teabaggers these guys addresses. Or send them to Palin so she can add them to her website.
Veal Pen, meet Joe Trippi. Trippi claims that progressives will start carrying out acts of violence if they do not get their way. Trippi might be trying out a new Obama Adminstration theme. Punch a hippie.
and that surprises anyone ?
Our new ‘Law’ has been about payola and corruption from the gitgo …
We’re fucked. The only thing left to do is diassociate ourselves from these slime who’ve stolen the name. Make sure in no uncertain terms that everybody understands that we have nothing to do with them. Then get up their noses, show their corruption, mock them and their supporters. And wait for an opportunity. Might be a long wait.
if I wasn’t worried about people getting hurt, that would be funny
The USA taxpers just got Wacked up side the head twice!
step back, drop the idea of being a liberal or conservative.
ask yourself one simple question, how do Health Insurance Companies make money?
First, they make a ton of money off of Healthy People
Second, they deny coverage to any one that gets sick.
Health Insurance Companies are not Mother Teresa
“Blood Suckers Should be their Name” (madison ave. creates a lot of neat names to fool people, Pro Life, No CHild Life Behind, Operation Iraqui Liberation “OIL”
Who really Insures all the ill people in the USA and pays for that coverage?
The Tax Payers
The VA takes care of the Vets
Medicade takes care of the Poor
Medicare takes care of the Old.
Again look at the business model of Health Insurance Companies, all they really do is get paid for doing nothing! they only Insure the Healthy, that don’t really need them.
(and when you get sick, Health Insurance Companies work overtime to get rid of you)
Obama and the Phony Dems want the American Tax Payers to do two things
1. Obama wants the USA TAX PAYER to make Health Insurance Companies Richer.
2. Obama wants the USA tax PAYER to take care and pay for the Sick
(all Insurance Companies have to worry about is getting RICHER)
Big Oil and the Car Companies done this back in the 1960′s
Big Oil and Car Companies ripped up most of the USA mass transit systems and killed the idea of high speed raid. WHY? to make people buy more OIL, and Cars.
Guess what happen here? Climate Change, that will probably wipe us all out.
And we think HUMANs represent intelligent life? Not!
Hey Jane –
You might want to consider your experience with Natural Born Killers as preparation for your role in telling the story of Republicans and Democrats.
Thanks as always.
I would suggest they have arrived …
I’d be having a party, myself.
Fuck you, Kos.
If they haven’t, they’re in the driveway
Yes, I do. With my memory what it is these days, that’s the only way I could have written that comment. You want me to scan a pdf?
Sorry about that. I hate it when threads get hijacked by link after link to favorite songs. I just kind of reacted without thinking. It’s just so true: Nobody does it better.
I remember the same kind of crap said in the GE. “If Obama was not elected their would be rioting in the streets.”
There is no difference in policy. Many groups have been saying that for years …
So, how not to be fooled again, what?
Young Turks Cenk is on the computer. He just mentioned FDL and that he was called a “Firebagger”, for wanting a more progressive health care bill.
I don’t think I believe in democracy (half the people ARE below the average IQ, you know ;)). Even if what we have was anything close to it, it’s all marketing. My grandfather predicted, just before he passed away, that computers would end up running the world because humans are just too corrupt and stupid. I’m still wondering if that’ll come true.
I’m sitting here shaking my head. I sure don’t have a clue on how to fix this. Maybe others do. I think I’ve heard it suggested that we replace everybody in office this year and in 2012 and 2014 etc… but that seems, in a way, sort of a desperate act, then again it could be argued that desperate action is required …
Like I said the other day, it’s like watching an alcoholic in a spiral. The only way to help him out is to let him hit bottom, or else the roller coaster ride just keeps going.
That “public option letter” in the senate was a fraud from day 1. I’m betting that most of those brave senators that signed it did so because they believed there was no chance it would actually come up for a vote.
There’s no doubt that if there had been a vote for the public option in the Senate, it would not have passed. I’m not even sure Bernie Sanders or Al Franken would have voted for it.
I’m not sure there’s really a single progressive in the senate today.
Thank you Larue, we could not do it without your support.
That analogy -> our entire political process ~ an alcoholic
Yep, I can see that but their intoxication comes from money, prestige, power and control.
excuse me while I vomit
Either Sanders or Franken could have introduced it in the senate same as Bennet, and they didn’t.
This Just In At Yahoo News:
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent – 14 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Capping an epic struggle, congressional Democrats applied the final touches Thursday to historic legislation enshrining health care as the right of every citizen.
Aint that great? Enshrining Health Care As A Right Of Every Citizen
Ya got to wonder about the IQ over at the AP …
Well, that was a lovely look-at-the-shiny-object response from Obama, wasn’t it?
Yes, but look at the headline: In Iowa, Obama Calls Health Bill ‘Pro-Business’
As in all great lies, It has a great half truth, he just doesn’t say what type of business
Quelle Surprise!!!
That’s the problem with dark humor.
“Ron Pollack has chartered a non-profit group, tentatively named Enroll America”
Until they have enough business to convert it into a for profit.
Jane, Jane, Jane…Oh Jane..
Are we the last people standing, Are we the only ones with principle? Even Ed and Keith over at MSNBC change their tone based on what forces are acting.. I don’t know how to thank you, but you are the only person (a popular public figure), who still stand up for principle. Not those politicians.
Here is what I sent as a message to the Colorado Senator:
” We are real people. We just use the blogosphere and internet to communicate. We are young and we use technology to communicate. Unfortunately we no longer use pigeons. If we were, I personally would have tied a piece of paper and sent the bird all the way to Colorado from Philadelphia.”
I wonder if the day will ever come where we see a true healthcare system like in France, UK, Sweden and Canada.. Do you know today, GoldenRule insurance raised my premiums by more than 140 dollars. They say this has nothing to do with my claims (I buy as an individual – medically underwritten – self employed), but with the fact that costs have gone up. Now this is a weird coincidence and i don’t believe in them. So I checked up, and many people are saying this. Such letters went out from Insurance companies the very next day Obama signed the bill. Now where are the protections? Are all politicians liars?
Ya got to wonder about the IQ of those who read the AP.
Beauty, bullseye.
If you’re looking to insult, good job. That’s the way to build consensus
Thanks mayfog, feel the same about you.
Good thinking.
And this is far from the first fishy situation that George Soros has somehow been involved in.
Remember how Soros funded Moveon went on the warpath against Haliburton and then after the protests went on for a while Soros bought millions of shares of Haliburton?
Getting activists to protest a corp, drive down it’s stock price only to have the funder of the activists buy in at an artifically created bottom for the stock price…. suspicion of such activity is cause for concern.
I think that some wealthy sponsors of left leaning activist groups merely use them as profit vehicles. I’m extremely wary of Soros because of his history. And yes, Soros has been convicted in France for insider trading.
BTW, thank you Jane for the detailed research.
Yes, under current conditions, getting solid healthcare reform seems almost impossible.
We probably need to create a new Populist mainstream political party. Force the Dems/Repubs to fold/combine.
The best strategy would be to create a broad populist platform that reaches far beyond the progressives on cultural issues. Focus the platform on simple things like full employment, law & order in our financial system and a campaign system which is publicly funded. Basic meat&potato’s issues to empower the general public as opposed to the corporations.
Once those core issues have been addressed, the populists will probably have wiped out both the Dems and Repubs. Thus the populists can then spilt into progressive populists and conservative populists and get back to cultural issues.
Yes – That’s why Republicans and ConservaDems supported Wyden’s Bill. It actually had Republican co-sponsers – the other Bennett, the one with two t’s in his name was the chief co-sponser. And he wanted to tax all Health Benefits. That’s why Labor hated his Bill. Yet they all managed to come together to give us a shafting.
and the lesson is…
beware of democrats who agree with you.
I long for the days when a “third-rate burglary” like the Watergate Break-in was a national scandal. These deals and machinations really take it to a new level. Woodward and Bernstein are still around but uninterested. Shows how far we have really come.
Bennet’s ass is unsavable. I vote in Colorado and as I mentioned in a post earlier today, not even PhRMA can prevent me from voting Bennet out of office and convincing at least 10 people per day to do the same. A man with a Thurston Howell III accent seems to be out of place in Colorado anyway. Time to don the Travis Bickle mohawk and go to work.
Secret back room deals– exactly like Cheney. And I’ve made that comparison before. Cheney did in California with the energy swindle, now these so-called democrats have done much the same with the insurance swindle.
I like the tough energy still flowing here– let’s get out and support these folks that want to run against the sellouts.
Carry it forward.
The Democratic Party might actually lose Congress in 2010 and Obama might actually lose the Presidency in 2012 because they did not heed The Message of Massachusetts, which is so simple: The people want a strong Medicare-like public option for all and no individual mandate, but the Democratic Party and President Obama gave the people the opposite, no public option and an individual mandate for all. (In Massachusetts, a sufficiently high percentage of those who wanted a strong Medicare-like public option for all and no individual mandate but got the opposite either stayed home or cast a protest vote.)
Only if we stop looking in the same places where we found this bunch
Yes Yes yes