Now that this bill will become law the important question is where do we go from here on health care reform?
I have said before that I think this bill is deeply flawed and, most importantly, does not provide an clear pathway to eventually getting real reform. But now that this bill is the new reality, now is not the time to stop fighting. I do not plan to stop fighting until we have achieved real health care reform. Like it or not, we are effectively forced to work from this new starting point. All the groups that were saying this bill must pass because it is a “positive first step” now need to quickly begin preparing for the next step.
What to do next is a question that has been weighing heavily on my mind lately. I’m going to lay out all the possible actions that I have thought could be pushed for on a federal, state, and organizational level. Some of these ideas, I think, are workable, and some, I think, are more fanciful. This is not meant to be an edict to the progressive community, but just an attempt to ferret out some potentially smart actions. There are many hardworking groups, big and small, that care about real health care reform, and there is no reason that all of them need to push for one particular set of changes.
I would love to hear your thoughts about my list of ideas–and about any other possible, directed actions you think could make health care better. Keep in mind that the main part of the bill goes into effect in 2014, so it is critical to make changes before the concrete really starts to set, and this new, mandated private insurance system becomes entrenched.
Federal Actions:
- In the next few days, strongly push for a senator to introduce a public option amendment during reconciliation, which would force an up-or-down vote in the Senate. (This effort is already in the works)
- Based on Harry Reid’s promise to Bernie Sanders, strongly push to make sure the next budget — which will shortly be voted on — contains reconciliation instructions that could be used to add a public option.
- Maintain a strong, continuous campaign for the public option. Effectively try to make it a litmus test in all Democratic primaries until the pressure is so strong they pass one. Ask Democrats to vote against any budget that does not have reconciliation instructions that could be used to create a public option.
- Try to get small changes to the state waiver provision enacted to allow states to try single payer or other more effective health care systems. (This could appeal to Democrats and Republicans because it would technically allow states a way to get rid of the individual mandate.)
- Focus on possible bipartisan efforts to pass drug re-importation.
- Focus on regulation enforcement by pushing for a national exchange with a national insurance commissioner to enforce new regulations.
- Run a campaign to make exchanges possibly workable by repealing the insurance anti-trust exemption and instituting plan standardization, strong risk adjustment mechanisms, and a central provider reimbursement negotiator (all-payer system).
- Try to effectively eliminate for-profit health insurance through direct law or an extremely high minimum medical loss ratio (roughly 93%).
- Advocate for a slight re-design of the exchange/affordability tax credit system so that it is less destructive to abortion rights.
- Push for single payer through a slow expansion of Medicare and/or Medicaid.
- Try to fix the undocumented immigrants language to at least allow them to buy insurance with their own money.
- Try to get bipartisan pressure in Congress to adjust the individual mandate, or eliminate it until there is a public alternative.
State Level Actions (which are, alas, somewhat restricted by the bill that passed):
- Try to get as many states as possible to adopt the Cantwell “Basic Health Plan” for people making between 133% and 200% FPL.
- Try to get as many states as possible to create their own public options with auto-enrollment.
- Push to make state based exchanges possibly workable with strong risk adjustment mechanisms and a central provider reimbursement negotiator (all-payer system).
- Make all insurance companies in state exchanges sell a defined standard plan to provide apples-to-apples comparison shopping.
- Effectively end for-profit health insurance in the state and/or new state exchanges with law or very high minimum medical loss ratio.
- Begin laying the groundwork for a better health care system with the state waivers that start in 2017.
Organizational
- Given how much enforcement is left up to the states, create a national campaign infrastructure to ensure that progressives are elected in those states with elected insurance commissioners leading up to 2014.
- Using the co-op program money, work with labor unions and progressive organizations to create well-run, cost effective, non-profit insurance companies all across the country.
Thoughts? Ideas? Just please try to say focused on talking about best possible ideas for moving forward.





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I am ready to start working on the state level. Can you provide more information regarding the “Cantwell Plan.” Your link is a little old. Has anyone been working on state legislative language? Our state legislature meets for only 3 months per year. We need to start early.
I can’t imagine spending any more energy on this awful godforsaken mess myself. I leave it to all who think this is a wonderful “first step” to carry the ball from here on out and will just take my own government health plan (five months to go until Medicare) and fade into the sunset.
Looking for a farm. Chickens. Fruit trees. Grateful to be almost 65, don’t have to save the world any more. Will drop by from time to time to see how everyone is doing. In the meantime, here’s what the late Mr. Zinn had to say about things like this:
“When a social movement adopts the compromises of legislators, it has forgotten its role, which is to push and challenge the politicians, not to fall in meekly behind them.”–Howard Zinn
Certainly not to disagree with Zinn…I just have to say that anything that has so riled Laura Ingraham cannot be alllll bad. Just to say. Of course she may have flawed judgement since both Tan Boy Boner and Bat Boy Bunting are her heroes.
But the bill itself has set her hair on fire, and I do think that is quite nice. Her mean-spirited snark and ridicule are cruel and impervious to reason.
Anyone know how Limpy Limbaugh exploded today?
Democrats were similarly on fire over Medicare part D. Although they have done nothing to fix the problems they say with it and they passed a health care bill that uses almost exactly the same model.
I’m with you. I have never been more discouraged. In the Brown-Coakley debacle only 1% of those of us who voted refused to vote for either the Republican or the Democrat — the two groups of people in the country who have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don’t give a damn about the public interest.
In the final weeks of the Bailout for All Health Related Industries, as more and more pseudo-lefties jumped onto the Obandwagon, I have never felt more alone. I appreciate everyone at FDL who cares more about policy than party, but lets face it, we appear to be in a tiny minority.
The Dems have lost me for good, as have the bleating veal organizations. I look forward to writing them each a sternly worded letter to take me off their mailing list. But, I am also well aware that when November rolls around, it will be me and my 1% chums loitering on the fringes while the rest of the country continues to engage in its pointless game of Dem-Rep tennis. Frankly, I have better ways to spend my time.
10. Push for single payer through a
slowexpansion of Medicare and/or Medicaid.I think this wording is an easier sell than PO and of course would probably be a better result because of the existing system and familiarity.
I wonder if you/we do this if it might lead to at least a PO compromise?
When in doubt pivot left…)
All good ideas but the inertia now is greater than ever before and people are bone tired. Hearts, souls, time, effort and money was poured into this for naught. And, I’m afraid that with all the other overwhelming problems facing our country at the moment, HCR will be put in the out box, labeled “complete”, never to be heard from again. Or, at least not until all the unintended consequences start to fall on our heads like a load of bricks, by which time it will be too late.
Social Security was changed in the ’30s, ’50s, ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s. This will no doubt change as time goes on. It had to start sometime, however, and it is good that it has.
Great piece! I’m in.
I think these are all good ideas.
#8
is a non starter with any Congress we’re likely to have before 2014.
The rest of the federal recommendations have potential to become new law. I especially like the public option litmus tests. Keeping candidates to their promises is still going to be an issue though.
If it indeed set her hair on fire, that may be a good consequence of this bill. Probably the only good consequence, though.
Trying to got one Democratic senator to force a vote on the public option during reconciliation would be a got first step in getting people on the record.
The change in the 80′s institutionalized cat food for Grandma. Before Reagan “saved Social Security” people could actually afford rent and macaroni and cheese on Social Security – now they have to choose: rent or food.
Medicare for All.
Resume a leftward march. Make any compromise from the establishment be with an actual single payer system that’s proved itself over time.
Don’t compromise except for actual votes in support of the compromise.
Where to go from here? Look at history. After the defeat of that healthcare joke on both sides of the coin, the next step was impeachment of Bubba.
Face it, took over a year to get this crap passed. Nothing more substantial will be passed before 2012. Nothing. Between the economy, and the massive unemployment, anything else attempted will be shot down. Sure hope they take up immigration reform next. Love to see them all booted in 2010.
Ooh! Ooh! I know this one! Now we make it even better for the pharmaceuticals and insurance companies. We can even throw some more money at Wall Street and Big Oil for good measure because I’m sure they’ve been feeling left out lately. After that we can give money to everybody from AIPAC to CPAC to COMPAQ. Now that all of them can give unlimited money, let the greasing, schmoozing and bribing begin!
Can anyone explain how the corporate media can calls this legisltation “universal health care?”
But Obama promised………………………………..
You answered your own question:
One reader’s feedback:
Federal (in order):
8 – A direct law or an extremely high minimum medical loss ratio (roughly 93%)
7 – Run a campaign to make exchanges possibly workable by repealing the insurance anti-trust exemption and instituting plan standardization, strong risk adjustment mechanisms, and a central provider reimbursement negotiator (all-payer system)
3 – Maintain a strong, continuous campaign for the public option. Effectively try to make it a litmus test in all Democratic primaries until the pressure is so strong they pass one.
First, break monopolies. Their biz model is supported solely by government protections, and Americans need to see this relationship and the stranglehold it has on their lives.
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State Level Actions
1. Cantwell’s Plan is built on moving away from fee-for-care models, which do not offer optimal health provision. (BTW: This plays right into your #1 under “Organizational” issues, and speaks to the critical importance of electing progressives as Insurance Commissioners in states that have that elected office at the state level.)
4. Make all insurance companies in state exchanges sell a defined standard plan to provide apples-to-apples comparison shopping. (This is like coming at Cantwell’s Plan from a different angle, which is a good thing; part of the problem people fear ‘change’ is that the results for their personal lives are confusing. This helps clarify, which is critically important. The GOP and HealthCos and Betsy McCauley (?sp?) have built small fortunes from offering people comparisons based on oranges-to-crackers-to-tuna.)
5. Effectively end for-profit health insurance in the state and/or new state exchanges with law or very high minimum medical loss ratio.
Organizational:
1. Given how much enforcement is left up to the states, create a national campaign infrastructure to ensure that progressives are elected in those states with elected insurance commissioners leading up to 2014.
2. Using the co-op program money, work with labor unions and progressive organizations to create well-run, cost effective, non-profit insurance companies all across the country.
All good ideas; the next phase might be too link them together?
Because some are more logically connected to the ‘organizational’ priorities, which seem to form the foundation moving forward.
Also, public education is a huge, huge priority.
Big oil is probably next. They are suffering through lower profits because consumption is down from the crappy economy. Wouldn’t want those guys to suffer now would we?
Certainly. FDL is pressuring Micheal Bennet on this already. I suspect the House would pass an amended reconciliation bill that included a public option, especially if CBO scores the amended bill as even better for deficit reduction.
I think Bernie Sanders is probably worth targeting as well.
Any chance we can force a vote on Grayson’s Medicare buy in bill in this Congress? getting votes on record would be worthwhile even if it can’t get past a filibuster.
Speaking of which Senate rules change is another federal action that needs to be supported.
And on a state level – we all need to engage on redistricting. Get involved in County level party politics. Work to earn some respect from people that can determine district boundaries and then leverage it to influence them to draw boundaries that will put progressives in. Elections for Congress in 2012 and 2014 will have new district boundaries and we still can influence those boundaries.
Great comment.
Jon, thanks for the breakdown of needed future actions we need to start on today.
Hell no. They are too big to fail but I’m too broke to bail, (anybody else out)
Dave Jones is a really good, progressive insurance commissioner candidate in CA this year. Unfortunately regulation in CA is kind of fragmented between the IC and the Dept. of Managed Care. But Jones would be a big improvement. Nice guy.
http://www.davejones2010.com/
“Certainly not to disagree with Zinn…I just have to say that anything that has so riled Laura Ingraham cannot be alllll bad. Just to say. Of course she may have flawed judgement since both Tan Boy Boner and Bat Boy Bunting are her heroes.”
so, this is a throwaway statement, yet here it is?
Zinn vs Ingram, and Ingram carries more weight? Go figure.
the structure here is nothing like a publicly owned SS. This is a cynical enshrinement of Corporate rape. You don’t see the difference?
Jane is on MSNBC Dylan Ratigan Show…
Go Jane put this fool on the right in his place.
Grayson’s Medicare buy-in bill is nice, but at every opportunity, look at other federal single payer options and try to expand its constituency and/or offer citizens an opportunity to buy-in.
Other than Medicare, there are two single payer plans, the Pentagon’s Tricare plan (which the uniformed service outside the DoD also use, more on that later), and the VA’s CHAMPVA plan for the families of disabled veterans (the veterans themselves are cared for in VA hopitals).. Both systems share Medicare’s provider pool and reimbursement rates. But the DoD and the VA negotiate their drug prices, Medicare does not. Tricare outsources the administration of its three domestic regions to contractors (Humana, Health Net, etc), Medicare outsources its provider payments to fiscal intermediaries but is more in-house in its administratiion than Tricare. CHAMPVA (which only has a few hundred thousand beneficiaries) is run by government employees out of the VA’s Denver office.
There are thousands if not millions of veterans who would like to use the VA system for their healthcare, but are too low on the priority list (disabled and indigent vets, understandably, have priority). Why not offer every veteran a CHAMPVA buy-in option? Take it to the next level, allow veterans to cover their families as well and allow Department of Veteran Affairs employees to buy-in instead of using the FEHB exchange. Next perhaps, allow non-veterans and employers the opportunity to buy-in. The American Legion and VFW might go for that (making clear that veterans and veterans’ families would have priority to sign up before non-veterans). The Congressional Veterans Committees could easily change the law to allow this, likewise a bloc of members playing hardball before a tight vote on even an unrelated matter.
Tricare is probably a better fit for a buy-in, one its larger covering several million beneficaries (active and retired military, reservists and their families) and two, they already set and collect monthly premiums from reservists (CHAMPVA and active duty Tricare have no premiums) for the Tricare Reserve Select program. It’d be a very easy to adjust to a civilian buy-in, What’s more, besides the Four uniformed services in the Depart. of Defense, Tricare is also provided to the three other uniformed services the Coast Guard (Dept of Homeland Security), Public Health Service Commissioned Corps (Dept. of Health and Human Services) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps (Dept. of Defense). So committees with jurisdication over any of those (or again, stubborn Members being whipped) could simply rewrite the law to allow any American (or perhaps veterans or federal employees as a start) to buy into the Tricare system.
As I’ve mentioned here before, the Pentagon discovered by accident that Tricare is far more cost-effective than even the FEHB, the new state exchanges will be downhill from there.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/09/public-option-remains-popular-health-care-reform-not-so-much/#comment-67614
Thanks TJ; I wish more people understood what Howard was talking about; maybe then those who were calling all of us against passing this bill ‘purists’ might get a clue.
As you probably know, the point is that these things change over time. The word ‘immutable’ isn’t in the bill as far as I can tell.
Privatizing (destroying) public education is another most important piece that Obama and Duncan will be selling to an applauding partisan cohort.
Thanks for the tip DD; will work for him to get elected.
Bombing Iran will take care of that constituency.
Hi. New user. fantastic site! the kind that gets you excited to have discovered. I discovered it only yesterday :(
I’m trying to get up to speed. I need to learn more about “public option”. In my ignorance, I had negative associations with it.
However, I will point out it was never clearly articulated to me by the politicians what the pros and cons were. Now I discover this site, whose arguments I respect, advocates it. So, if there is a previous article on FDL that describes it, I’d like to read that so I can be more informed going forward.
TIA!
What fool? have you been following Ratigan?
Well according to advocates of this POS bill, if healthcare was affordable they wouldn’t need a mandate. Sooooooooooooooooooo……..um…….next up all we have to do is mandate home ownership! Mandate everyone owns a new car! Mandate everyone gets a college educations! See how easy it is? All problems solved!!!!
Yeah I’ve noticed, stagnant wages for 30 years, and on and on, we know the score -do you?
Vacuums implode.
I have no idea how that figures into this discussion.
that’s the fucking trajectory, all right.
Used to live in Montreal, the most cosmopolitan city in N. America. Cold though; global warming….?
you have no idea.
Without fail, starting now. We might be able to “fix” some of the more onerous parts of the current bill in the process, keeping in mind that Medicare-for-all is the goal. We know where the pols stand now so there’s no reason to compromise on the goal.
Take your partisan blinders off. Fight from an ideological and a class conscious postion. Fight for moving the country ever leftward and that means challenging Quislings in the Democratic Party and traitors in the Republican Party.
You’ve been nipping at folks’ heels all day and said nothing of substance in the process.
Welcome to the Lake !
I don’t think you can challenge the Dems right now. They are taking all the cheering and support and thinking they did the absolute bestest thing in the world ever. They aren’t going to try to change this bill one bit. People wanna have Obama’s baby, and take Pelosi out to dinner. Game over. Tilt.
Exactly. This post makes me sad. It’s going along this same bifurcated path as what we just went through. You have the long time universal Medicare efforts that 17000 doctors and nurses endorse, as well as the California Nurses Association, you’ve got the PO enthusiasts, and you’ve got the PO enthusiast who nevertheless organized for the Senate bill, and now plan on sending out thank yous to the Democrats. There is no broad based coalition of medical professionals for the PO. If people just march forward with the PO campaign, I think they will find they alienate some of the strongest health care reform supporters, while the Senate reform supporters can’t be counted on to take a strong position.
I think the PO people whould try to work with HealthCare-Now(NOT HCAN), PNHP, and the CNA to see how the factions can properly organize and agree to at least some path toward real reform. I just don’t think the PO people are going to get very far when the juice is with the single payer people.
Where do we go from here? We continue to move the country to the left, one congressional seat at a time if necessary. And we do what ever is necessary to crush, humiliate and destroy the Republican Party.
It may be like the first time they got laid but the euphoria wears off.
Patience, grasshopper.
Now that is wise.
I wouldn’t expect any further legislation. Obama made a lot of promises to get this bill passed and now that he has, he’s too busy slapping himself on the back to care about anything else. He made a lot of promises to get elected and we all see how that went.
Here’s a ?? that Jake Tapper posed to Gibbs today – does it sound like they’re concerned with fixing HC any further?
TAPPER: Is there going to be follow-up legislation, since the president had the goal of universal coverage in 2007? CBO says the current legislation will leave uninsured 23 million Americans. Is there going to be a follow-up attempt?
GIBBS: Look, I don’t know if there’s been any discussions about that this morning. The coverage — I think CBO said somewhere between 94 and 95 percent of Americans will have coverage. And obviously we will, after the president signs this into law, get about to the important process of ensuring its efficient and speedy implementation.
Don’t know where ordinary people will go, but Health Care and Pharma stocks are heading for the stratosphere! Wall St crack cocaine party! Crimefest free for all! Hamptons orgies full of hookers and congressmen. MEN, note, MEN, no WIMMIN, this is testosterone, steroid, and HGH land, with an expensive gym membership and some angry iron pumping to boot. Welcome to the United Stooges of Corporate Personhood, 2010.
That’s a good idea
breathlessly awaiting substance from you.
“Where do we go from here?”
Not to worry. Obama and the dems are going to re-visit the trojan-horse for a “fix”, using some of the vast political capital that will accrue to them after the mid-terms.
BlueToe, can we do a little banging on the republican party-lite? The one that’s currently in power?
To map out a strategy… the most straightforward approach would be opening up the Tricare Reserve Select (TRS) to outsiders, but going straight to letting in you, me and Aunt Peggy is a big jump– so I’d first go to veterans groups (across the ideological spectrum) and suggest they lobby Congress for a TRS buy-in for veterans (Veterans groups would probably feel more comfortable using the DoD system than using CHAMPVA and risk bleeding resources from veterans receiving care from the VA).
I’d also go to federal employee unions and suggest they lobby Congress to put Tricare into the FEHB list of insurance options. Once either or both veterans and federal employees are allowed in, it’d be less of a challenge to allow civilian taxpayers to buy into Tricare. Siince conservatives think the military is the only part of government that works, receiving healthcare coverage from the Department of Defense isn’t a bad idea. After all, millions of civilians already drink water supplied by reservoirs operated by the Army Corps of Engineers and get driving directions using GPS satellites controlled by the Air Force Space Command. :o)
thanks for the info-yes on public option
Welcome. For the posts you ask about go to the Action site archives. Also go over to News and search the archives.
Read my posts carefully. I said now is the time to target Quislings in the Democratic Party and the traitors of the Republican Party.
thanks! my family leans left, and all supported things like mandate, cuts for Medicare. And perversely, didn’t support the public option because “the country is not ready for that”. My goal is to learn what that is about, as I was vociferous against mandates, cuts for soc sec (etc) but did not have an alternative. So now I wonder if public option is the best alternative out there.
Forget trying to stop this freight train. Focus instead on the engineer.
Do whatever you can to defeat Obama in the 2012 primaries.
If you have money to give, give none political action committees.
Give only to candidates after you’ve vetted them yourself.
Contact your representatives in Washington, and do so at every opportunity.
Remind them of COAKLEY vs BROWN.
Feedback Jon and ,again, thanks for all your efforts.
Federal Actions:
I don’t like 1 and 3; ‘we’ already comprised single payer with the public option and Obama doesn’t want it. Therefore, we go back to ‘Medicare for ALL’ as the only position/prograam that makes any sense.
Forget #2; let’s see if Reid and Sanders have any integrity regarding their agreement; let Sanders know we’re watching.
#4—-no ‘small’ changes, just the changes that allow States to set up their own systems; such would bring in a lot more people than ‘small’ changes.
#5—-ok, BUT Durbin HAD the votes lined up and Obama sandbagged him; the obstacle is the Obama Admin; how do we get around that, especially since it is more than evident that the ‘progressives’ will fold and don’t know how to stand together.
#6—you mean there isn’t a national exchange already in the bills? Huh? Then there sure is a lot of people who think otherwise.
#7——without a doubt, push the Senate to pass the repeal of the antitrust exemption that the House has already passed.
#8—-yes, there is no rational for anything more given the profit margins of other industries
#9—–NO, advocate for there to be NO restrictions on healthcare related to ‘abortions’; let’s end this nonsense that a blastocyst or embryo is some knid of human being. There is NOTHING scientifically that leads to such a conclusion; this is religious beliefs being forced on people who do not share those beliefs.
#10—–YES,afaic, THIS should be the focus going forward. As I’ve written, “It would have killed any talk of ‘new government entitlement program and bureaucracy’,addressed any anti-abortion rhetoric(because of the Hyde amendment), addressed the ‘cost curve’,provided competition to the insurance companies, and covered many more americans than this legislation will, AND COULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED RIGHT AWAY.
#11 and #12—-yes
State level:
I live in CA and will continue the work I have been doing for SB810; Fed’s want to take us to court,fine. then we’ll secede.
Organizationally:
“# Using the co-op program money, work with labor unions and progressive organizations to create well-run, cost effective, non-profit insurance companies all across the country.—- sounds like a good idea but I don’t know enough about it or ‘the co-op money’; what is that?
OnTopic:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/federal-insurance-rate-regulation-dro
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/03/22/health-care-reform-passes-heres-where-to-invest-no.aspx
8 and 10, 8 and 10, 8 and 10! Squeeze those corporations dry and bring on the single payer!
FWIW I have long considered a strong Public Option to be the only logical and workable transition to a Single Payer system.
It is time to ELECT STRONG PROGRESSIVES that LIVE IN STRONG PROGRESSIVE DISTRICTS.
Why? Not one progressive stood up for anything, so to make things happen in congress we need someone on our side first
We need a directory that shows the most progressives districts in the USA. (districts that vote 90% or more Democratic)
Once we have a list that shows the most progressive districts in the USA, we need to find Strong Progressives to run for those districts.
The idea being a Strong Progressive district will allow a Strong progressive congress person to fight with progressives without fear from the weak democratic party.
We need to set up bases of progressives phone callers, e-mail list distributions, offices, etc within these strong progressive districts, this will keep the congress persons who gets elected from those districts loyal.
(For example, if FDL had a list of a 100,000 names of people in Dennis Kicinish district who supported the stand that Dennis Kucinish took on health care before he flip flop, Dennis Kucinish could have fought back without fear)
The only way to beat the Corporate MSM, is going to be to go district by district setting up and securing progressive strong holds.
If the letter that featured all the MYTHS about Health Care could have been sent to 30 strong progressive districts, and broadcast out to 60% of the voters and players in those districts that vote Democrat, Health Care would have failed.
How? the 30 congress people in those districts would have been terrified to vote for anything knowing that 60% of their voters knew the truth about the Health Care scam.
Blue Dogs should not be our targets, because the Tea Party will get these seats, and they do nothing for progressives anyway.
ALL progressive organizations need to target seats held by phony progressives in very, very, strong progressive districts. In war the LAY OF THE LAND is important, you always want the high ground, because it is easy defend, few NEO-LIBERAL groups want to do battle in STRONG PROGRESSIVE districts.
We need a top ten, twenty, thirty, list of the strongest progressive districts in the Nation.
In this current political climate 20 strong progressives could control a lot of policies in DC.
The one major weakness all Politicians have is that they want to get re-elected, who control the information to get the votes win.
If FDL had a list of 10 progressive districts
where each list had 40 to 50 thousand voters on it
FDL could have control the Health Care Debate
the white house would have had to call Jane and Jon to get the votes they needed to pass health care.
Jon – one change to point #3. We need to drop the term “public option” and start saying we want “Medicare for All” through the exchanges. It’s a small but important language change that can serve as the rallying point for a broad campaign.
Second, what’s missing here is the issue of affordability. Democrats should not be telling people they’re “covered” now that they have to go out and buy unaffordable insurance that could take a 20% bite of their income. We need to push for more progressive taxation and tie it directly to lowering the cost burden for middle class families. This is as essential as the Medicare for All fight.
$6 billion for the set up of non-profit members run co-ops, one in each of the 50 states. bill section 1322 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:6:./temp/~c111mj6zzA::
I believe that one of the big problems in forcing the issue at the local level is Rahm Emanuel.
I could be wrong about this, but I would be willing to bet that any candidate who runs on a public option will be subjected to behind-the-scenes blackballing, and a threat of no DNC or DLC dollars (and the like).
The reason, of course, is that Rahmbama cannot tolerate a public option, because they have already promised the lobbyists that there will be none.
Having said that, I say, ‘bring it on.’ I am spoiling for a fight to get our party back from the corporatists who have stolen it.
fun to watch & Jane was on…
There is already a terrific Medicare expansion bill in the House.
Alan Grayson introduced HR 4789, “Medicare You Can Buy Into,” and already has 80 co-sponsors.
This is something concrete that we should all actively push.
Get it media attention.
Write to Congress reps and Senators.
Make some noise. Get some traction. We can get this passed–and it can go into effect this year!
Thanks; not enough money but it’s a start and a good idea.
you must mean CONsponsors.
… and a pony
It’s actually not “terrific”. It’s fine but not great. For one thing, unlike the private plans, you can’t get a subsidy for it. For another, Medicare already has a buy for people who didn’t earn enough credits in their working years, and with Med-gap, it’s in the 500′s a month. That may be less affordable than the subsidized plans.
Part of the problem here is Medicare itself needed improving, and it needed to roll in what Med-gap plans now cover. I don’t know how we expand Medicare, although I support every effort to do so, without also pushing for Medicare improvements, and I don’t just mean government cost cutting measures, and I am not sure that ship hasn’t sailed.
Just saw Jane on Dylan Ratigan today and she’s the FIRST person on the air to spill the beans that 8% of our paychecks will go to healthcare by law.
I’ve been screaming about this for weeks and weeks and frustrated that the media or Obama or anyone HAS NOT mentioned this important fact.
Ya think they’d mention that one, right? SHEESH!
Thank you Jane, you get the “First to Say it” award! :)
regarding #10 “Push for single payer through a slow expansion of Medicare and/or Medicaid” aren’t reimbursement rates for Medicare too low such that an expansion of it would need to be coupled with higher reimbursement rates? I keep hearing that Medicare patients need to be subsidized by non Medicare patients.
Jon, I admire your work. Your coverage of this whole affair has been excellent. But there comes a point where you have to recognise something. They are ALL POD-PEOPLE. You are already outnumbered massively but they continue to spread inexorably. Remember the final scene on the lawn in Washington DC as Donald Sutherland turns and utters that piercing shriek?
Your list of ideas is humane, civil, decent, intelligent, reasonable. But it is a list regrettably for SOME OTHER COUNTRY. Not the USA. I’ve said it on a Jane thread too. Get out of there. It is no longer worth it. It is no longer winnable. There are better places more deserving of your talents. Organise to help get the like-minded but financially challenged out with you. IF you stay you will find yourself swiftly forgetting about Health Care as your concerns spread to fighting the outright criminilisation of poverty under the auspices of social security “reform”. And you will lose there too.
my understanding is that you pay into medicare your whole working life so it’s there when you need it, but I understand also that they are only paying out 75% of it in benefits. That’s all I really know about it, unfortunately.
If you want medicare for all, be sure to sign Grayson’s petition:
http://www.wewantmedicare.com
Regarding Medicare For All: Please support Alan Grayson’s HR 4789, “Medicare You Can Buy Into” which currently has 80 co-sponsors in the House.
This is a practical next step that introduces a PO quickly, simply, in a way that’s hard to distort.
It can be up and running this year, before the exchanges, providing some good competition for the for-profit insurance companies.
By the time the exchanges start, it will already be a popular option that will change the dynamic drastically.
It’s not going to happen. The very fact it gets 80 signatures must tell you it is just more theatre. I’m sorry, but what other conclusions are there to draw?
The very best thing you can do if you live in California (and I bet a lot of you do) is to join California One Care.
http://californiaonecare.org/
They are at the beginning of a 365 day ad rollout, one ad per day for a year, and are building towards single payer in California. Give money, time, referrals, whatever you can. Once we prove it works here it’s just a matter of time before everyone gets it.
As someone who disagreed with you on the current bill, I certainly agree with most of the steps listed.
I disagree about drug re-importation. If the only effect were that France or Canada bought more drugs than it needed and sold some back to the US, that would be fine. That’s not all that would happen. The effect on the 3rd world would be catastrophic. Drugs sold at a discount would be seized and sold back to the US. Pharmaceutical companies would stop the discounts.
Better solutions to high drug prices exist. First, allow medicare to bargain collectively. Then address the archaic intellectual property laws which allow the unethical extensions of patents. It’s a good time to address intellectual property laws in general. It is necessary to change the public perception of intellectual property. People don’t seem to realize that intellectual property rights have never been considered fundamental, that they exist only for the promotion of the common good. There is leverage to be had from the inadequacies of other intellectual property laws concerning copyrights.
Still, raising reimportation as a threat is useful.
There is something very important that you left out. It is important that Americans stop liking their employer provided health care. That preference is an enormous political stumbling block that gets in the way of real reform. You’re not going to get single-payer as long as close to half the country like their employer provided policies. It will happen eventually, when costs get so high that employers can’t provide insurance anymore, but we don’t want things to get that bad.
At some point, we’ll be able to get large employers on our side. Offer single payer, partially funded by a payroll tax that replaces the non-provision of insurance fee. While that tax will be higher than the fee, the employer and employee will still have more money to divide between them. Fund the remaining costs of the single payer plan from the general fund by increasing the progressivity of the income tax.
John; thanks for all the good and good-hearted posts. Good luck! And don’t walk too slowly; I might step on your heels. Best, tanbark. :o)
Good job. Sorry to miss the other.
I just get a little concerned since so many “progressives” are using the repubs outrageous crap for a red-herring to drag across Obama’s feckless trail. Numerically speaking, they are still irrelevant. The democrats can pass practically anything that they can get a simple majority for. In fact, what worries me is how comfortable they seem to be with the uber-lameduck status that they’re heading for, in November. It’s almost as if they want to get tsunami’d, so they won’t have to have us throwing up their “leadership” shortcomings.
We’ll see.
It has Rahm’s fingerprints all over it
From Z, a commenter at Ian’s
Would there be much opposition to commonly use the word Medicare in place of the terminology public option?.
IMO: There is a fairly large percentage of the population that would need to have the term public option explained. I mean what public option would you advocate other than Medicare? If you favor a Canadian style single payer system, you would need non-profit hospitals controlled by the medical profession first.
Question: It is my understanding that the National Committees for both the U.S. House and Senate do not just distribute their funds to national candidates without some strings attached. Are these strings public?
( My understanding is that they do not distribute funds to primary candidates. Although they will warn you that you will not get any funding if you win the primary election – if they disapprove of your issues.)
I will be voting for Senatorial candidate Charlie Christ if he runs as either Republican or Independent. As Florida governor; Christ managed to give the franchise to convicted felons. Democracy is always my primary issue.
I volunteered to work on Joe Hoeffel’s campaign for governor in PA, and this looks like a good post to forward to his campaign office.
Error Fla Gov Crist nor Christ :>)
Z nailed it. These folks have a far too high opinion of their own strategic brilliance.
prescious.
I just don’t care anymore. As TaosJohn so succinctly put it, I leave it to all those who claim this is a first step to prove those words by pushing for the next step. However I’m not as dumb as they are. I know this is the only step. Future steps will be held out there like the Public Option (white whale). Something rarely if ever seen and never really achieved. But it will definitely be used for countless fundraising appeals! I just don’t want anything to do with this monstrosity of a bill, its likely horrible consequences, or anything to do with the Democratic Party. I’ll just wait for the likely crash and fall.
I believe most of us who voted for Brown – remember, this was a special election; his term expires in 2012 – did so based on our disdain for Obamacare and Brown’s promise not to vote for it. Rightly or wrongly, we anticipated a Brown win would send a signal to the D’s, too powerful to be ignored. (Of course, we were wrong.)
Hi All
Feeling pretty depressed today, most so called liberals are rejoicing in the big win. What to do now?
This bill codifies inequality. If you have the money then you get the care, not much different from now. The few good things could have been done a year ago, like regulating that the insurance companies not drop people who are sick and must take all who want insurance. Instead now we pay them tax dollars to do what they should be doing. The high deductibles need to taken out. People who are sick and need care probably cannot afford to be paying the $5800/$11,800 plus a share of the premiums. Women should not be paying more etc.
#10 extending Medicare is a good start. Let SCHIP cover the youngest and let Medicare get rolled back to 50 to start. We squeeze from both ends with single payer plans and then they can no longer say single payer won’t work.
Wondering if there is any chance for the mandate to be dropped by the courts…the insurance companies need that or they won’t make it. Obama came right out and said that. (Though he doesn’t seem worried that WE might not make it it seems).
I’ve been a dem since I started voting in ’72. I can’t do it anymore, the party left me and I am no longer proud to even admit to be a part of this sham of a political party.
“Health Care Reform: Where Do We Go from Here?”
Bankruptcy
If anyone has a candidate to back against Schakowsky, I’ll get to work. She is 100% absolutely fake. Her office never commits to anything, and then she’ll write some statement of “what’s gotta change” and take no action and brag about her progressiveness.
Of course, we’ve already had our primaries. But the bright side, is there’s 2 years to beat her and I’m eager to work with a 3rd party in the meantime.
All good suggestions. I’m not too familiar with Maryland’s all-payer system. I understand it got started before ERISA and that states that tried to duplicatee it might run into some legal challenges. I’m also not sure how cost effective it has been.
What I would do is this: (1) get state ballot measures to try to get states to band together to form huge multi-state state exchanges, and (2) get a multi-state public option on those exchanges based on Medicare rates.
Why so scattershot?
I mean, if we actually do #7, that’s the French/Dutch/Swiss system, which is just as good as a govt Single Payer, for all practical purposes. The govt really calls the shots, and the insurers, while remaining private in theory, are only allowed to compete on efficiency of collections and disbursals. Why this country, which already shells out for a perfectly good collections and disbursal system in Medicare, needs private insurers to duplicate that effort is not clear, but at least these “gelded” private insurers can’t get us into too much trouble.
But if we are going to go to the trouble of taming and gelding the herd, why are we also planning to kill it off (#10)? Why bother with a public option if you’re going to do #7, and tame the herd that way?
Sure, our current system of paying for health care is a mixed system, with everything from the VA to an out-of-pocket sector, and maybe a mixed system would be a perfectly acceptable end state. But a stable end state is not going to include a public option, plus a Single Payer, plus a tamed and gelded private insurance market. Let’s pick one target, and stick with it.
Wouldn’t our side be better off if we stuck with one theory of what’s wrong with health care financing, and how to fix it? Even if we weren’t able to get this best policy this year, I have full faith and confidence that reality, in the form of an uncontrolled price spiral, would convince enough people soon enough that this was the best policy, that it would become the best politics. I can’t see what an overbusy prescription list does except convey that we don’t know what the hell we’re doing. That may be true, but insofar as it is, maybe we need to quit issuing prescriptions and admit that we have to let the situation stew a bit until the right answer becomes more clear, or at least more politically doable.
That plan we passed last night was plenty overprescribed already, when you compare it to what we know the patient needs. Time to take a break from prescriptions, and let the pattern of failure of what we did last night develope to the point that it tells us what to try next.
do not put any energy into fixing any privatized part of this bill.
the plans to elect more progressive insurance regulators, or to do various things to make the exchanges ‘better’, or anything along those lines just help to cement the privatization in place. a kinder. gentler privatization sounds nice, but don’t waste energy and money on it, there’s far too little of both on our side.
work to expand medicare, fix the holes in medicare, and pay for it all through progressive taxation. lbj’s original plan was to have medicare for all. in the face of industry opposition, his plan b was medicare for the old, medicaid as a stopgap for the poor, and work on expanding medicare to the rest of the population later. we should finish the job he started.
the problem i have with expanding medicaid is that, to varying degrees depending on which state you live in, it requires you to spend all your assets [retirement, savings, any car or house other than the home you live in and one decrepit car] before you qualify for medicaid coverage. additionally, if you are really expensively sick, like with terminal cancer, medicaid can recover from your estate what they spent on you in medical bills, so you could forget leaving your house to your kids, say.
it’s nice to think that you could first expand medicaid to more people, and then fix the spend-down requirement later, but if you go around impoverishing the people who should be your base of support, they aren’t going to have any resources to help you grow your movement, nor are they likely to be inclined to want to help you if you essentially tell them your money or your life! even the ones who are grateful to be able to get care.
Agreed. Expanding Medicare makes more sense than anything else. It’s conceptually simple and can be handled incrementally and we can make a fight everyone understand every step of the way.
“real health care reform”
This it seems to me is a category that could use some definition in a post like this.
Hipparchia, I’m with you. Medicare for all is the only real solution. Working to “improve” the bill we have been dealt is a waste of time.
i can see why people want to work to improve it, and we could do that instead of single payer, but the changes that are needed if we go forward with this bill are HUGE [not to mention that we're putting off a lot of things for several years].
the powers that be would absolutely love for us to take the next 20 years incrementally fixing all the myriad parts of the new system. they would absolutely hate for us to expand medicare to everyone [that would take maybe a year to roll out, if we go slow] and take a few years to fix the holes in medicare.
and we can make a fight everyone understand every step of the way.
b-b-b-but… that might promote democracy! and transparency!
All comprehensive health insurance is a rip off:
Kill the mandate.