Hey, Jon, they conn is yours….

Grijalva calling it a building block/foundation.

Like watching a ugly car accident in slow motion – one you can only watch but not stop.

Raul Grijalva is a (D-AZ). Might want to edit, you had (R-AZ). He’s one of FDL’s progressive heroes of yore.

Like watching a beautiful sunrise, birds chirping, the beginning of a new day. This is a great moment for progressives…too bad there aren’t any left on this blog.

Sorry Jimmy, but REAL progressives are opposed to mandates enforced by the IRS without a public option to provide real competition. Go back to Kosland, where the rest of the fakes are…

There are a lot of progressives left here. And I suspect a lot of good work will be done here that improves the HCR bill that passes today.

There are even a few here that think passing the damn bill is the best outcome we can achieve at this time, regardless of the flaws that this blog has been relentless in documenting. I count myself in that camp – I’m really glad the flaws are documented and think we can organize to fix them if we don’t let the rancor of the past couple of months poison our hearts.

????

define “progressives” without sounding like a troll.

This legislation can be thoughtfully and conscientiously opposed from the left, as I do.

ease back, jim. if you don’t understand that the people here want more progressive legislation than this bill offers, then you’re just wasting your time and everyone else as well.

being a disappointed progressive or even an outraged one doesn’t get your creds revoked.

There are lots of progressives here at this blog, if you define progressive as opposed to involving the state in enforcing private industry’s profits.

How Judy Holliday Keeps Me Sane.

“Progressive” is someone terrified of being called a “liberal” because the Rethugs (and their “Free Press” enablers) have made that a dirty word.

So what the hell happened today?

How did they pick up 12 votes overnight?

And if they did, why has it not passed yet?

I thought the vote was at 200 PM?

jim how is this a great moment? i don’t see it , seriously

Me too, which is why I call it mierda, or a POS!

Ummm I think your web browser is broken, jim. Each time you try to go to DKos you end up here.

Can you please get that fixed?

Can someone please answer me???

the best possible bill in the sense that despite public support for a lot more, the Democrats in power are sickly weaklings who can lift only this amount. I’m picturing “the public” saying “here, let us help you” and the Democrats saying “no….want to do it ourselves….ooof…uhhhh….” and barely getting the very lightweight barbells over their heads.

I did on the last thread.

now, now – the folks over there aren’t celebrating either. (Some are watching the right-wingnuts go even crazier.)

Executive Order for Stupak.

You sir (or ma’am), are no troll…)

the Stupak bloc went from no to yes.

As towards the time, it’s Congress needing to hear themselves talk.

I think the procedural stuff started at 2:00pm but there is a lot of stuff that happens before they actually vote.

Also the 12 votes, I think, were made up of the stupak block and a few others that were waiting to see which way the vote was going.

My 2 cents anyway…

What the fuck are you talking about?

Really? What was your post number?

I searched through everything and could not find anything.

And the article for the executive order for Stupak said it has no force of law, so why would he not agree to that?

Hey, I used “Sing it, Louise!” today in my liveblogging when Chairwoman Slaughter was bringing the word on the spitters and swearers yesterday, in your honor…

I thought it was “com” for command. ??

Just running its mouth, I think, based on its earlier comments.

‘Make Sure Brain Is Engaged Before Putting Mouth In Gear’

Agree. With the Stupak contingency, there’s no reason not to go for a public option.

(Admittedly, though, I don’t understand the distinction between the public option and the exchange.)

I’ve posted this a few times before, but does anyone have any ideas why the main feminist blogs are so quiet about the EO/abortion rights issue?

Seems really strange…

30,000,000 more people with health insurance in 2014. four years to get improvements before the mandate requires profits to private companies.

Maybe the PCCC can gain a few members in 2012 election that will put a public option into the exchanges (and make the exchanges national in scope).

Rescission and pre-existing condition prohibitions.

Student Loan reform (FDL helped get this done!)

The disagreement over whether we could possibly get more progressive legislation passed is soon to be a moot point. Let’s try to get over that disagreement start organizing to improve the flaws in this bill.

While we’re at it maybe supporting legislation to overturn Citizen’s United is a project we can all agree on? Senate rules reform for the next Congress? It isn’t as though this battle is the only one we’re fighting.

9:00 pm – Scott Garrett is right, unfortunately. Sooner or later one of the Constitutional challenges to the mandate is going to win in court.

Vote should be around 10-11. They picked up the Stupak crew when Obama issued an exec.order regarding abortion.

In response to champion88 @ 110 (show text)

Supporters have been picking up votes one at a time, all day. Stupak got the WH to promise to issue an Executive Order to create the impression that whatever abortion restrictions Stupak claimed were not in the bills would be assured by this EO interpretation. With this device, some of the abortion opponents moved to YES.

The session began at 2:00 p.m. and they have been working through a set of procedures that involve several preliminary votes — the ones so far have receive more than 220 votes for the bill’s supporters, — so the final result seems assured.

After the current discussion, there will be a vote on the Senate bill, another procedural vote, and then a final vote on the reconciliation fixes — or something like that sequence. We’re an hour away, at least from being done, and there have been numerous delays, all of which are exploited by the Republicans.

Bottom line. Government does not work well, it’s embarrassing to watch, but we should pass a bill before midnight.

I disagree. I’m a liberal, a progressive and even a socialist. Just not a Democrat.

This vote is pure theater. The result was determined months ago, probably no later than last summer, and now they’re speechifying and putting their ugly mugs on TV and celebrating how much richer they are at our eventual expense.

They are hot tubbing in 100% bullshit.

Put aside the popcorn and do some breathing exercises.

Stupak and other attention seekers.

Great Analogy.

“Raul Grijalva (R-AZ) focuses on the increased resources for Indian health care.” ;does anybody know what this is about? Seems like there is an IHS that is part of HHS but I thought they were ‘sovereign nations’ and I know from preparing the checks for tribal members of tribes that are engaged in gaming that the monthly checks amount to over $40,000 a year at the minimum per tribal member.

A good number of them do…those who have been even somewhat against this bill have been hounded pretty badly. I’ve not seen much to recommend their behavior.

So, yes, while there are a few not celebrating that is not the overall tone.

champion88

Voting is usually a fluid thing. Eventually the undecideds have to decide. Additionally Obama promised the Archbishop an executive order that revokes a womans right to choose if the committee convened in her doctors office doesn’t agree. That didn’t help.

It hasn’t passed yet because the show isn’t over. The Democrats need time to pat themselves on the back and make excuses and the Republicans need to gnash their teeth some more.

I’m going to bed without ins, so the congress fairy can leave health care under my pillow. It it’ll be great waking up covered.

I am abstaining from voting in the mid-term elections this year. After the passage of the completely empty and stupid “health-care reform” bill (I am for single-payer and nothing less), I am convinced I am living out the end of Animal Farm, and I am one of the animals on the outside, looking from pig to man, and man to pig, and not being able to tell the difference between them. A pox on both their houses. >:-O

Debate began at 2pm, scheduled to run until 6pm and then vote. Unsurprisingly, it has taken about twice as long as expected, Congressional time being about double regular time. A vote on the Senate bill is now expected about 10pm with a vote on the reconciliation bill at 11pm.

So what is the current vote count right now?

Also, if they have a few extra “yes” votes going in, do you think someone might try to switch to “no” to avoid an unpopular vote, thinking their vote will be inconsequential, which then leads to everyone else in the bloc, switching over to “no”?

From the previous thread. It was an alert of one here, not Kelly.

+1, Macca. Wish more folks understood that.

Cellar47 -

What you say is true, for the most part. But it’s interesting, though…

In these times, when someone asks me if I am a “liberal,” my impulse is to say that I am to the left of Che Guevara. And I am not kidding.

If I’m asked if I’m “progressive,” I say “Yes, I am” – and look back waiting for any objection they might try to put on me.

It’s a weird semantical universe, with different historical time/spaces.

Point being – it’s pointless rallying around a word. The times will keep you dancin’.

Hope you aren’t expecting dental coverage./s

Nope.

Vote for state legislative races. Decennial redistricting is determined by state legislatures in many states.

C-Span

I thought it was reconciliation, then Senate bill.

Don’t you wonder how every single thing could go so wrong so fast? The bailouts, this year-long grand theater producing mandated IRS fines just for existing,no real healthcare for anyone? I was cynical before the great leader was elected, but I allowed myself, like so many, to have just a wee bit of hope. Dashed, and dashed hard, you know.

Since I refuse to watch any of those creeps on tv, I’m glad I can read like-minded people on this site. This seems to be the ONLY place left with rational human beings. I registered because misery loves company, and this country has become so miserable.

(Re-posted from previous thread)

Unless you fall into a special category (young children, maybe a few other groups), that won’t have a chance until 2014.

Unless you sleep a really long, long time.

Hey Jim,
You’re borrowing someone else’s schtick. David Horowitz has been claiming he’s the “real left” and the “real left” left him decades ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz

http://frontpagemag.com/

You are neither original or intresting.

There will be 217 YES votes, so no one can be labelled the “winning” vote, while no more Democrats are endangered with a YES vote than necessary in order to try to avoid november’s bloodbath.

If Republicans say “socialism” enough, will it make it so? Please.

I do not have access to a TV right now.

Is the roll call going on now?

Otherwise, what is the current expected final vote count?

Thanks, Teddy. Con trol. Got it. Now, that I’ve learned something new, I should go make dinner, but, I’m sucked back in again. Wanna hear the vote. Just to be sure. Hey, it’s a Sunday evening. Why not?

Go here

LOL. Tooth fairy humour.

Good lord, the Democratic foot soldiers are trying to re-recruit us already. There’s no poison in my heart, there’s just common sense in my brain. I no longer support an organization with which I have absolutely no common ground. My Political Party Affiliation Declaration Form is in the mail to my state’s Commissioner of Registration–I am officially an Unaffiliated voter.

It looks to me like the public option was sacrificed to get AHIP to offer tepid support.

The analogy I use to explain the exchanges is “Open Enrollment” for individuals and small businesses. If you work for a larger company you select insurance from multiple plans once a year – this extends that ability to small business and individuals (and gets the risk pool large enough to lower premiums in theory). NB this is all for profit companies – the public option would be a competitor to those companies that isn’t for profit.

What does anyone know about the GOP motion to re-commit, which is rumored to contain only the Stupak language on abortion?

The Hill is reporting: “Democrats are worried about holding their members together on a GOP motion that could kill the healthcare bill.”

Mike Pence creeps me out. Just saying.

WooHoo! I just won an autographed copy of Unfriendly Fire from the Bilerico project blog. Maybe my luck is changing.

Premiums are not going to decrease under this plan.

Durbin Admits Premiums Will Go Up If Health Care Bill Is Passed

Sen. Dick Durbin, March 10, 2010: “Anyone who would stand before you and say ‘well, if you pass health care reform next year’s health care premiums are going down,’ I don’t think is telling the truth. I think it is likely they would go up.”

Obama Says Health Premiums Will Go Down

President Obama, March 8, 2010: “Our cost-cutting measures mirror most of the proposals in the current Senate bill, which reduces most people’s premiums.”

Mike Pence is a weasel.

I’ve never been a democrat. I’ve run for office twice as an independent.

That comment was meant to get us working on tasks we agree on after this passes. I’m saying maybe we should work to extinguish the bridge that someone set on fire.

Really… one socialism too much out of Eric Cantor and *blam* it’s Denmark America.

Shorter Mike Pence: Why accept Socialism when we could go for Fascism?

I don’t know.

You just got a job too, didn’t you?
PS, I’ve got an unmarried 22 year old son too. And, my mister has a single brother. Naw, he’s too crappy. I like the nice ones.
Luck or blessings?

It looks to me like the public option was sacrificed to get AHIP to offer tepid support

Right. What nobody is talking about right now, is that the Republicans are getting exactly their desires; a legislative victory without their fingerprints on it.

What will happen later, is that AHIP and Co. will stab this Obama deal, and the Dems in the back, and keep the Repubs for their enforcers. Being in the Pete Peterson block, they will wait until the Dems also undo the social contracts of Medicare and Social Security.

After all, only the Democrats can do that. Every time the Republicans try that, they fail. But not this time. Obama will do it for them.

A couple months back I read dentists as a group of doctors contributed more than any other against HC reform. I don’t know how true it is and have it on my long list of things to google.

But they sure dodged the whole “reform” bullet.

Hard to fix anything from the political wilderness.

We can hope. It’s like “there’s no place like home”.

Obama hearts repukes. That’s all I know. A year ago they were deader than Judge Crater. He just fucking enables their bullshit to a fucking fare-thee-well. This is why i this POS makes me scream.

He AFFIRMS their bullshit tropes. God, the damage of this ASSHOLE.

Jane is still my president. If she pulls an Obama, i’ll abandon her too.

Makes sense, thanks.

All I’ve heard is that Native Americans are exempt from the mandate. Didn’t hear anything about “increased resources”.

Thoze two socialists need to get on message with their socialistic socialism.

In order to baffle ‘merkins, Republicans are confusing socialism with fascism on purpose. Because Republicans love fascism even more than Democrats love fascism they call it socialism. The tea party rubes don’t know the difference, anyway. All they know is Obama’s black.

My preference for HCR was much the same as what most here want – some form of single payer that is paid for by tax revenue.

There are a lot of powerful lobbies that made that impossible (and the cowardice of the Democratic party helped assure this).

When I look at what’s passing today I think objectively it is better than the status quo. And it has deep flaws, which FDL has been relentless in pointing out. I’m thankful that FDL has done this work, it provides some framework for where we can improve this over the coming years.

It’s a wonderful book, we had the author Nathaniel Frank on for a Book Salon back in the day. Very timely now, too!

The job most likely isn’t going to work out. They wanted me to sign an agreement to work 21 hours or less per week. I job that doesn’t pay the bills doesn’t do me any good. :-(

No, please vote and register a protest. Write in a suitable candidate.

kelly, just mwah

civilisation, c’est toi

Which is kind of funny since dentistry is the last thing that anyone worries about “socializing.” Doubly funny since that is the only health failing that I suffer… so far. Ha ha.

I’m going to bed without ins, so the congress fairy can leave health care under my pillow. It it’ll be great waking up covered.

Planning on sleeping to 2014, huh?

What do you think…

Is “flawed health care bill” one of the GOP’s talking points today?

I’m not sure. What do you think?

Quoting Zombie Ford now!

They also seem to think that if they repeat “the bill is going to increase premiums” enough it’ll become truer than “the insurance companies are going to increase premiums”.

That’s a link to C-Span, where it’s streamed live. Just click on it. They’re still yakking so you haven’t missed anything.

I tell ya this, if I had a skillset in demand in Australia or New Zealand, I’d be long gone by now. The Visigoths are on the horizon, Rome is burning and Nero is fiddling.

And so-called “progressives” cower in the corner begging the ‘pukes “Please don’t hurt me” every time someone points at them and says “Yer a gawd dayumed liberal faygit,” rather than standing up and saying “WELL EXCUSE ME YOU RIGHT WING, REACTIONARY XENOPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBIC, ANTI-EDUCATION, ANTI-CHOICE, PRO-GUN, LEAVE IT TO BEAVER TRIP BACK TO THE ’50s!”

I think we all need some assertiveness training or cognitive behavioral therapy.

Sorry, I was in the kitchen starting dinner. Did someone just quote Gerald Ford? Who the hell would do that?

Glad you added the reposted note. I had a dizzying moment of deja vu.

Ron Silver did it better. And without the slur.

That’s part of why I’m saying the bitterness needs to be cleansed. We are not going to overthrow this system overnight. The same kind of BS that tanked the public option is going to to require more than FDL to defeat.

Anger at DKos, etc isn’t going to help in the long run. They made a different call on whether this legislation is worth passing than FDL did.

I guess I own you one. What’ll it be? Oh, wait, wait, I know. A Zombie. :)

ahhh, I just want a current vote count.

I do not have time to watch the whole debate.

I just got an e-mail from a professor threatening to fail me for the course, if I do not shape up in the 2nd half.

why indeed.

list the main feminist blogs for me will ya?

thanks in advance!

The Dems play misdirection really well. Obama is a master of it. A veritable Vince Lomabardi of political football. Don’t underestimate this fool. Just like he hoodwinked the people on health care, he’ll do the same for “entitlement reform.” The rest of the New Deal social safety net is going down under this moral cretin. That is, if we don’t stop him.

I apologize. I’m a bit touchy today.

Costa Rica has a lot going for it.

Hey, Jon, they conn is yours….

Con, Mr. Partridge, the word is Con.

Assumed the con – An officer relieving his or her fellow officer of their responsibilities as the Officer-of-the-Deck (OOD) uses this statement. There is a short set of traditional verbiage that goes with this turnover of control (the word ‘con’ is short for control). When the relieving officer arrives on the bridge, he or she receives a brief from the on-duty OOD. There are questions and answers and then when the on-coming officer feels he or she has sufficient information to assume the duties of OOD, they go through a small ritual similar to the following:

The enlisted member responsible for making the ship’s log entry will record the event for posterity.
http://www.sixthfleet.com/gloss.htm

Obama’s approval ratings up 7% today.

Better shape up, then. If a professor takes the time to write a note, you know you need to shape up AND you also still have a chance.

There’s no vote count yet, and there’s more important things in your life currently, don’t you think?

Dear Rap. Capito, “the heartbeat of America” overwhelmingly favors HCR. Get a clue, Mrs. Billingsley.

They haven’t started voting yet. Better do your homework, champ.

No worries. I appreciate the apology, shows class.

lol, I just want a current vote count, cause my dad is asking about it.

I cannot give him a link to the debate.

like we had the vote counts for the past 2 weeks, what is the current vote count?

my dad asked me an hour ago and I am shocked that I still have not gotten an answer from here?

That’s two (count them) Zombies to you. Better warn Patrick.

How can it be improved when the Insurance companies will be stronger, richer, and more entrenched. It is more likely to be made worse. Like Bill Clinton’s welfare reform, the first “fix” will be the scaling back the subsidies.

Blue Cross has a plan called Blue Card. For $150 a month for a 50 year old, you get (up to) $50 toward a doctor visit and/or $50 for lab work. You pay all the rest of everything over and above 50 bucks. If you got really sick, you would be up shit creek without a paddle.

This “plan” (which would lead a sick person to bankruptcy in a heartbeat) will be one that is approved (and subsidized) by the HCR overhaul.

There hasn’t been a vote on the Senate bill yet. If you’re looking for the whip counts that were posted all weekend they’ve become a moot point. A vote on the Senate bill is expected within the hour.

Just saw the note about yer dad. Yer dad’s just gonna hafta wait a bit. Sorry.

It’s so awesome. We’ve made “progress”, isn’t that what being progressive is all about? I don’t love the bill, wish it were single payer and all sorts of socialistic, but we beat the freakin propoganda from the Republicans and Firedoglake. It’s a great day. It’s unfortunate that FDL folks aren’t joining in the celebration and regrouping to make it even better, like the rest of the 87% of progressives who support the president and are trying to help him make change. Many of you folks really don’t want Obama to succeed at anything, its not hard to read that between your lines. Wooooo freakin hooooooooooo.

My wife is from Costa Rica so yes indeed it has much going for it!

216+ in favor. It will pass.

What course? Maybe you could get some help from a pup?

You are welcome to debate me, and to correct/update wiki as well. I have seen it written both ways, but I chose the two-enn word to distinguish from the political phrase “con,” for conservative. But it appears that “conn” is well-used:

Typically, the Junior Officer of the Deck has the “conn” or control of the engines and rudder. The Junior Officer of the Deck is relieved in a similar manner. The deck and or the conn may be assumed by the Captain, simply by announcing the fact or by issuing an order to the helmsman or lee helmsman. For example, the captain may state, “I have the deck and the conn,” or “I have the conn,” or “Right full rudder, all ahead flank.” In the latter case someone (ordinarily the Junior Officer of the Deck) in the Pilot house (or Bridge) will announce, “The Captain has the conn.” The conn may also be passed to someone else, for a particular purpose. While the Captain may assume the conn, the Officer of the Deck may order the Junior Officer of the Deck to pass him the conn, “Ensign Pulver, pass me the conn.” Ensign Pulver will then state, “This is Ensign Pulver, Lieutenant Doe has the Deck and the Conn.” Lieutenant Doe then announces, “This is Lieutenant Doe, I have the Deck and the Conn.” In an emergency, the Officer of the Deck can, if he so chooses, assume the Conn by announcing, for example, “This is Lieutenant Doe, I have the Conn. Hard Right rudder, all engines ahead flank.” However, in most ships, during normal underway operations, it is generally considered “poor form” to request the JOOD to pass the conn, as a good OOD would be expected to direct the JOOD without the necessity of assuming the conn himself. Thus, the distinction between having the ‘deck’ and having the ‘conn’ remains.

That’s too bad–I do understand your situation. I took a part-time temporary assignment after a year of unemployment–doesn’t pay the bills but it does help keep my resume current, although at this point, I wonder if there’s any point to that.

This is where the rubber hits the road, they’re all on the floor, and just demanding a vote count doesn’t get you one.

Because it’s immanent. Tell your dad to turn on CSPAN and watch for himself, like everybody else.

electricity and magnetism

Stop.

No, that’s not what being “progressive” is all about, fauxliberaljim.

“James Clyburn (D-SC) “This is the civil rights act of the 21st century.”

talk about blowhard, pretty sad. someone needs to ask him if he stands by this in 2, 4, 6 years…

While highly likely, it’s not done yet.

Inevitability isn’t exactly a winning strategy. Ask Hillary Clinton. Things happen.

Except for the fact that their currency is directly linked to the US dollar and devalued against the dollar monthly to meet IMF debt obligations. The US has Costa Rica by the short curlies.

If the US gets a cold, Costa Rica gets the Flu.

I visited Daily Kos for the first time in ages.

Remember “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” and “The Stepford Wives?”

They now seem reality-based.

Alleged ‘progressives’ are now cheerleaders for corporate welfare.

Beware of the kool-aid.

In that case, I believe congrats to the both of you are in order! Ever thought about moving down there and living la vida pura? Me and The Sweetie are seriously considering it.

wtf is up with everyone tonight.

why can I not get a simple answer?

everyone is not politically intensive.

and honestly, from the comments, the “debate” sounds like a marathon of the same canned statements I have read about for months, so what is the point of watching that?

Oh, I’m sorry to hear that. So, um, porch time? Kidding. Kind of. If this vote doesn’t happen soon, um…I’m going to have to go scrapping.

Guess you get what you pay for, champ.

@stevebenen: Hoyer to caucus 1 min ago: “Members are advised that final votes on Healthcare Reform are expected to begin in 15-30 min.”

That quote is correct.

Homework time.

Dude, it’s just a fact. There is no more whipping to do, and no more counting until the next few minutes when they make the actual damn vote!

I think folks here have been extremely patient with you.

This insurance company giveaway pales in comparison to my greater fear over the so-called entitlement reform. I involuntarily contributed to the system for over 35 years. You bet I feel entitled to get what was promised for that. I know this is going to happen. They will not let the boomers get what they paid for. Watch for it.

I bet the health care “tweak” will be that the HMO crooks will be mandated to take over Medicare. Bet any amount of money on it. They’ll declare Medicare insolvent and give it to the Medical Industrial Complex as a little doggy treat.

Sorry, I was in the kitchen starting dinner. Did someone just quote Gerald Ford? Who the hell would do that?

Ah don’ know. Sep he’s dead an talkin into the mike wid chunks of rotten flesh falling off his face.

Peeples round him holden their noses. Cain’t make no sense what he’s sayin.

He ain’t got no tongue!

No arms or legs either.

Jus Nancy an Stennu holdin him up.

Land sakes.

You left out “telling the truth” at the end of your statement. You can go back to the veal pen now…

The plan you describe is “let’s send at least $600 a year to BC”. There’s got to be something more to it – $150 a month premium out, maximum of $100 a month benefit is an incredibly bad deal.

Plans have to be at least “silver” level of actuarial value under HCR.

There also is the 85% medical expense ratio limitations. So insurance isn’t quite as rich as it has been per customer.

As for how to improve it – pass a public option. Optimally it gets done in the Senate via reconciliation when that bill comes over from the house. Failing that we’ve got 4 years and one hopes new rules on cloture in 2011.

Costa Rica was a member of Dubya’s Coalition of The Coerced.

Here are the ones I think of…can’t swear they have the highest hit count:

pandagon
echidneofthesnakes
feministe
feministing
shakespearessister

I know there are others and your list might be different but it is still odd that all of these have been so quiet…

Tough course. You understand vector fields? Tensors?

Fix Or Repair Daily.
Speaking of smelly. Eric’s up. Ew. Better check the dinner.

It’s like watching an accident scene. You don’t want to see gore, but you just can’t look away for fear you’ll miss something.

with what? I asked one question and have not gotten an answer.

This website has been a great source of information with mostly solid comments, but today everyone seems cranky.

Or did a wave of “casuals” infiltrate the page, since the vote is imminent.

All I asked for is the EXPECTED vote count as of now.

Yes, obviously there could be defections, but all I asked for is the EXPECTED VOTE COUNT.

Seriously jim, you are not on the right blog. Click on your internet settings and reset your Internet Explorer.

the “ayes” will have it in an hour.

tell your dad it’ll pass.

study

I think the answer depends on the blogs. Did these blogs endorse BO over HRC? Were they demonized for this choice? I would imagine, given that BO celebrated Iowa in January 2008 to the tune of “I’ve Got 99 Problems and a Bitch Ain’t One” and, on losing the Philadelphia debate against HRC in April 2008 (Gibson and Stephanopoulos), gave her the finger, any feminist supporting him after this does not now want to encourage a cacophony of ‘I told you so’s.’

it appears that Michele Bachmann and Mean Jean are sitting side-by-side in da front row.

how appropriate, as teh crazy continues to roll from the R side….

Stop. Right. Now.

Calm down Champ. What you are seeing is frustration. Not just yours but everyone’s.

Expected vote count is 217, but a few more may jump on board.

Yeah, NJ has something similar. It costs about $400 a month and entitles you to 90 days of hospitalization during a calendar year, $600 per year for wellness services, $700 per year for office visits for illness or injury, and $500 per year for out of hospital testing. It’s called Basic and Essential and as far as I’m concerned, it’s a sick joke. You pay almost $5,000 a year for something that’s bound to bankrupt you if you have a health emergency.

217 ayes are expected.

The answer is unfolding in the House. Have you never watched a vote before?

The betting stops at a certain stage; that was a while ago. And now, it’s just before the vote.

There is no simple answer to your neophyte question; only the remaining process to flow. Understand now?

The expected vote count is W — for Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama.

At this point, that’s all that matters.

And I answered your question with my best guess (217) and my reasoning earlier in this thread. So stop saying no one’s answered your question. I have. And you won’t get a better answer.

Homework time, champ.

Someone stop me. Please, before I get modded.

Whoops – guess I’d better not chance dropping into Democratic Underground, then (haven’t been there in years either). Thanks for the warning.

(Then again, perhaps they’ve still got a few real progressives around who aren’t muzzled by the “now that we’ve got a nominee, no negative stuff” policy that raises its helmeted head at that time).

The expected vote count is 221- 212, plus or minus 5. In short, no one is sure.

*puts cookie in demi’s mouth*

Smooch!

edit: that was for demi… don’t know why the reply thingy hitched.

I feel so antiquated. Lose touch with the patois for even a little while and you have to catch up.

Should I assume that ‘veal pen’ is the logical home of the ‘sheeple’ (or however that’s spelled these days)?

Does she cook? Like Costa Rican style black beans and rice with fried bananas for breakfast? Yum.

Wtf is Lungren trying to do?

Common Dreams and FDL are the only blogs that are worth going to now. Also try Black Agenda Report, as well. Glen Ford is awesome!

As for homework it may be necessary to pull out a vector calculus book as well as the E&M text. Vector fields aren’t easy material and having a reference at hand is a good idea. E&M does make Stoke’s Theorem more understandable though.

The figure I keep hearing for the minimum ‘medical loss ratio’ (lovely term, that) is “80% – 85%”, which leaves considerably more wiggle room (given that overall average MLRs aren’t much below 80% today).

WTF is this parliamentary colloquy about?

Do your homework.

Veal Pen is the name given to “progressive” 501 c (3) and 527 organizations that provide cover for PCCC congresspeople to abandon principles.

It’s not -directly- linked, it goes up and down against the USD. In fact, last week it had one of the largest movements against the USD in years.

Not since the late ’60s, and not that well even back then. Get to work: this farce has pretty much played itself out anyway.

Speaking of which, Poincaré was recently proved. Holy ****!

Rosa de Lauro rocks.

Why is Steny Hoyer hugging Gerry Ford’s corpse?

Uhm, Gerry’s head fell off and Steny just threw his torso and hit Nancy, OMG!

Now, THAT was low (but well said…).

I think MLRs are as low as 65% now. The CBO said if it was over 90% then private for profit insurance would be illegal. I’m not saying I agree with the CBO… and I would prefer for profit health insurance to be illegal anyway.

Rep. Camp, the Republican. There is a joke in there somewhere.

Yes, it differs. I think NJ requires 75% for plans marketed here.

There always is. /s

I’m not the student with a warning from their professor, I’m a mongrel pup trying to offer the student some advice.

Someone else says 217. I’ve read 220. See, the problem is that we just don’t know and won’t know until the actual vote.

You are probably right about crankiness. My husband can tell you I’ve been in a foul mood most nights this week and it’s all because of this POS bill that Obama is shoving down our throats for his legacy.

From the general tenor here I wouldn’t have thought that was possible, but then I’m more used to HuffPo and (years ago) DU and P4C, where moderators carry a big stick and use it pretty arbitrarily.

This is much nicer, especially at a time when one might get pretty depressed without a few like-minded people around.

i was at pandagon.
i was expecting something.
came back here.
and mydd.

bitchphd mentions stupak.
iblamethepatriarchy, nada.

thanks for your list.

Homotopy isn’t exactly differential geometry, but it’s cool the result has been proven. About time!

Too tan…this should be good.

Digby drank the kool aid: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/finish-line.html

Big time…

Servile Obama worship. Wow.

Ol’ Orange Face enters to applause.

I feel ill.

any number of people have answered you in this thread, at least 5 or 6. you’ve gotten lots of answers.

and i agree also with what others have said – if you’re in danger of failing electricity and magnetism, you could do a lot worse than going to study that now instead of hanging around here.

You don’t see the stuff that gets modded. Apparently it’s been pretty bad here lately too.

Oh, yeah…lots of bipartisanship in the last year…

This is the starting line, not the finish line. Now the real hard work has to begin.

i learn so much here.

Note to self: Veal Pen.

Right you are, 2Tan. The people want single payer, the people want Medicare buy-in.

I think that the have. And I hope they keep their Vector Calculus text handy, because E&M without it is an exercise in futility.

Have any of you guys checked out the other blogs tonight? Did the US just win the beauty pageant? I know it’s not politically correct, but have people completely lost their minds????

I’m about to cry.I’m an RN,I have prayed for this and I give all credit to nancy and barack on this. of course with the help of many others, but this is momentous……

I haven’t had a drink since the Super Bowl I’m having some red wine tonight, though, baby!

Raise a Glass to Senator Kennedy! Teddy, you sonofabitch, cheers.

Like, WTF? Seriously, WTF?

Elaborate? (From my internal geek.)

When I was a baby, I ate a whole lot of carrots and turned orange. Böhner should see a nutritionist.

Pandering to the low-info viewer at home. Wotta tool.

Now appearing on Camera 3 is an old fella with flies buzzing around his face.

Uhm, yeah. Old fella’s wearing Number 1. Program says he’s Ronnie Ratgun.

Wonder if that’s a misspelling?

Somebody throw a shoe at that man!!!!

mah second laugh of the day!

I wish he’d been drinking again, at least his yelling would be more entertaining that way.

Have you got a natural tan?

Hell NO you haven’t!

Absolutely.

And disappointment with Markos, Digby… because they made a different assessment than FDL over what is worthwhile needs to be put aside. We will have to work with them to do the real work.

If he’s going to directly ask questions of the congress he shouldn’t be surprised when they answer him…

Here comes The Parade of No!

Nobody could have predicted.

The last detailed figures I remember came from a Senate description of 2008 data: 84% for large-group policies, 80% for small-group policies, and 76% (74%?) for individual polices, on average, with the last dropping as low as 66% in the worst cases. But a more recent figure I saw quoted was a 76% overall average, so things may indeed have gotten significantly worse.

Boehner out-maneuvered by the lackluster chair. Priceless.

Yep. I wouldn’t a thunk it of her. Oh well.

Whoops – sorry.

Poincare_conjecture

Homotopy characterizes 3-manifolds.

Orange Drama Queen Alert.

Wow, a guy proves Poincaré after a century and the kudos he gets is “About time!” ?

Tough room! (In the formal sense of “tough.” ;-) )

there a story in the new yorker there:
Dr. Grigoriy Perelman has rejected the Fields Award, quit math and is now living with his mother. He has been awarded the Clay prize, but it is not known if he will accept.

see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold_Destiny

Good thing the people are in favor of HCR, huh John?

“Homo toppy characterizes 3-mans” sounds positively pornographic. :)

Two apologies is my limit for one night. LOL.

I do need to make supper soon. Asparagus quiche maybe, collected 8 cackleberries today and I’ve got smoked gouda in fridge.

John Boehner playing as the people’s politician. What a hoot!

Yehright, defiance of our citizens by getting them the health care coverage they’re asking for. Yehright.

This is like watching the Twilight Zone. With the color setting too far toward orange.

Nobody could have predicted.

followed by:

“This is all your fault – why didn’t any of you tell us something could go wrong?”

geek humor!

No wonder the French laugh behind our backs. What a disgrace. But like I’ve said before, we are an infantile nation. Took the Europeans centuries and many dead to grow up. The end of empire will chasten our exceptionalism and arrogance. How long it will take is anyone’s guess.

But…this HC circus indicates the slow deterioration is under way. Mass delusion is in place. It’s gonna take some major economic woe before the sheeple accept the truth. I’ll be a dead man by then.

John Boehner, American Hero.

Remember this moment, folks.

Aaaaaaand now the Nancy Smackdown of Ol’ Orange!

Spare me, Pelosi.

It’s the “purfuit” of happineff…

Humility AND pride, really? How d’ya do that?

Nancy’s up. This POS is about to pass, Obama, meet Waterloo.

Weird, I thought it was the purfuit of happineff.

When this “historic” POS passes, are we all going to set off fireworks, pledge allegiance to the flag, run outdoors and bang our pots and pans?

HaHaHaHaHa

And this is why Dems will lose in both ’10 and ’12.

Pelosi is mischaracterizing, and making it sound like a right, which it clearly is not.

that class is one of those things though where you can spend hours doing problems and none of it will matter when you take the test.

maybe I would be doing a few points better right now, but the major misunderstanding stemmed from the fact that I thought he was ok with taking late work, even though he did not recommend it, whereas apparently he has been taking them, but not grading them, but never saying anything about it.

It is as if he is deriving massive enjoyment by secretly taking points off.

Also, isn’t there a chance that some pro-choice Dems defect because of the executive order?

Very disappointing.

Being America-hating hippie pagan commies as we are, no, we’ll be dancing naked in the moonlight instead. Come join us, it’s fun!

Also, if the Republicans get majorities in the Senate and House in 2010, could they repeal everything, since most of the stuff does not start until 2014?

*sigh*

There goes 8% of my income to private insurers. Oh, yeah…I don’t have a fricking job.

LOL! Moonlight makes me look fat.

Subsidy!

Did she say “naked more affordable for the middle class”? I’m in!

Don’t know about other people, but there just doesn’t seem to be much I care about being posted elsewhere tonight. I’ve even stopped getting nasty replies to my own posts: they’re just too busy celebrating, I guess.

Perhaps I’m wimping out, but at this instant in time there doesn’t seem to be that much point to hanging out with people I don’t much like (or at least can’t respect, even if some might be likable). I’ll put my nose back on the grindstone tomorrow.

Good acting, considering Silver was a thug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL8aKMaOewE

Lookie there. A rat ran between da boners legs right under . . .

SHHHHHHH, you cain’t say dat! Dere’s a kid watchin and tryin to learn differential equations!

WTF dat got to do wid a rat?

Ain’t sure but don say dat bad word or the peeples put you at the blackboard an makes you write numbers with dead body parts.

What is the man wid the ratgun doing between dat orange mans legs, daddy?

He’s looking for a wider stance, son. Go to bed!

Nancy making everyone else in the room look like a silly child by comparison.

Thank you!

Most of my bookmarks are now useless. I read FDL, Greenwald, and CR. Such a damn shame.

I’m not really upto snuff on any of this….however, I do know that despite some tribes/tribal members getting alot of money from the casinos…in general, the tribes/members are the most destitute population in our country. It’s never talked about, there are no news articles about it, etc, etc…..but it is this countries dirty little secret. The very folks, who have an actual right to land, healthcare, and reasonable standard of living….are the most poverty stricken, least healthiest, and most underpriveledged of our society. People were starving and freezing to death this winter with all of the snow storms. So that’s almost certainly what Grivalja was talking about. They are in desperate need of healthcare in the tribal areas. It makes our poor black/latino communities look plush. I don’t know if you’ve ever been on a reservation, but it can be a heart breaking experience.

How can anyone honestly say that this POS bill will finish the business of healthcare in the US.

That’s easy when you’re wearing Armani, IMO

200 Repub Amendments! So surely it’s good!

Thanks for the link – I needed that. Still wishing that we’d picked up the entire series back when it was on Amazon for $75 a couple of years ago.

HR3590, how relevant…?

Nevermind, it’s started.

3590 as passed by the Senate.

First of 3 votes. Next will be sidecar/reconciliation, then passage

160 Yeas, 110 Nays almost instantly.

I will retire there.

Settle down, hon. You and she can wear whatever y’all want, don’t ya think? Shoes don’t make the woman. Heart does. And I know you have a big one.

I’m not really up to snuff on any of this….however,

Orange people are known for not making sense, so sit closer to the table and nod every once in awhile and you’ll be fine.

Don’t watch no snuff films, though.

Bad fer bidness.

I was just making a comment. I don’t care what she wears or anyone else.

jealous.

but happy for you…..

I will retire there.

Tires are cheaper here.

We’ll have to both keep commenting here so we can find each other down there!

BTW I’m over at David’s current post now.

Thanks, I figured that out… eventually, I can be a bit slow.

Good girl.

This is taking too damn long. For me, it’s okay as it’s only 7.42, but for people in the east, it’s bedtime. So much yapping.

Thanking you.

But homes and food and clean warm air aren’t.

Welcoming you, as always.

And so-called “progressives” cower in the corner begging the ‘pukes “Please don’t hurt me” every time someone points at them and says “Yer a gawd dayumed liberal faygit,” rather than standing up and saying “WELL EXCUSE ME YOU RIGHT WING, REACTIONARY XENOPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBIC, ANTI-EDUCATION, ANTI-CHOICE, PRO-GUN, LEAVE IT TO BEAVER TRIP BACK TO THE ’50s!”

LOL!

It will be several years before that happens. The health system is single payer but you can go outside of the system. My wife has 2 nephews who are doctors so I can expect some personal service too!

wooooo hooooooo

They miscounted back around 163, or was it 136?

Recount please.

Motion to recommit pending

This is what Kagro warned about eearlier

Back alley abortions here we come. Fuck these patriarchs.

No – that’s already done. See the EO language.

This is stronger than a point of order, and more difficult to overcome.

Voila Stupak!

So the Democratic Party is now officially a forced birth party. That’s all I need to know.

Saved from Stupak by… Stupak? A true WTF moment.

Motion to recommit failed so it is now a done deal. Going to bed now, see you all after the next depression when there will be another opportunity for change.

Well, the Democrats have gotten their industry-friendly, anti-choice bill. And the insurance companies now have a government-run goon squad to force people to buy their product. I just hope that all the assholes who are cheering for this bill tonight are prepared to own it when this bill turns out to make things worse, and leads to electoral disaster over the next few years.

I’m so disgusted with politics in general right now, and I’m ashamed at what this country has become. On the right, we have a bunch of deranged lunatics threatening to assassinate public officials and calling for the overthrow of the government. On the left, with a few exceptions, we have nothing but lazy, complacent, easily led cowards. Is this how it was in the days of the Weimar Republic? America is headed for a really dark place over the next few years.

Cheers. Sleep well.

“On the left, with a few exceptions, we have nothing but lazy, complacent, easily led cowards. ”

And they’re desperately trying to get us back to salvage their credibilty, and give them some cover.

They own this, not us.

Yes, used to deliver papers on The San Xavier Indian Reservation. They also seem to have wealth distribution problems.

Nasty e-mail written to my representative, Lloyd Doggett, check. Nice to pay lip service to the cause Lloyd. Perhaps you and Dennis can commiserate on good intentions and actual hard work when you’re no longer representing your districts.

Unfortunately they won’t. They are lemmings. Rachel Maddow or whichever pundit they enjoy told them while the bill sucks, it is a necessary first step. After all, we have 4 years or whatever to make it better. (As if) So the idiots will buy the line, think Obama is their savior and give him a decent shot at re-election in 2012 because after all he was looking out for… you. (Lol, sorry can’t say that with a straight face)

It’s official, our country is broken (not that I didn’t think it was before tonight).

wr1
Oh so wrong-a-mundo, Compadre:
LB is all down with the Good Sounds.
he is my rep and he reps me just fine, thanky.

bad mouth away, but we know the good guys from the bad.

So.