According to a source involved in the health care negotiations in Congress, Henry Waxman is telling Democratic caucus members that Bart Stupak’s deal with Nancy Pelosi is dead. Stupak had called a press conference to announce the deal at 11am this morning, but has now canceled it.
The deal fell apart after news of the deal, and a copy of the amendment, was published on FDL last night.
FDL Action PAC has been running ads and robocalls in the districts of pro-choice members of Congress all week, targeted at likely voters who are pro-choice, urging them to contact their representatives and tell them to oppose any restriction on women’s reproductive rights in the health care bill.
The publication of the amendment triggered a flurry of activity within the pro-choice community, who began hammering their own leadership, who in turn put pressure on members of the pro-choice caucus as well as Pelosi herself. Although NARAL’s Nancy Keenan had not planned to oppose the measure, outrage from within her own ranks caused her to speak out.
According to the source (and with no small amount of irony), “Nancy Pelosi finally grew balls.”
Pelosi had wanted the pro-choice caucus to accept a deal whereby after the House voted to pass the health care bill with the Senate’s Nelson language, Stupak would get a stand-alone vote that could pass with the help of anti-choice Republicans.
Members of the pro-choice caucus felt that Nancy had “sold us out,” according to one member. “She is just going along with whatever the boys in the White House tell her to do.”
As Dave Dayen notes in his whip count, even if Pelosi gets every other uncommitted vote, she still needs to crack the Stupak block to get to 216.
Of course, the White House is only being hung out to dry with their own propaganda. The Nelson language in the Senate bill is only marginally different from the Stupak language, and would probably achieve the same effect (removing abortion coverage from all health insurance policies) in about the same time. But in an effort to pretend that they’d achieved some amazing pro-choice victory with the Nelson language, they demonized Stupak. That appears to have emboldened him.
TNR’s Jon Cohen, who has been very tied in to the White House throughout the debate, tweets that the White House is discussing an executive order to address the situation:
Senior Dem source: Exec order on abortion rights still on the table, under discussion #hcr #healthreform
Of course, as I’ve said before, abortion would not be an issue in the “Plan B” alternative that the White House was contemplating three weeks ago, which would evidently expand existing programs — Medicaid and SCHIP. It would cover half the people at a quarter of the price, but it would not include the politically toxic mandate that threatens to trigger nationwide opposition in the form of 2010 ballot amendments. The only reason the controversy exists is because the White House wanted to create a whole new level of bureaucracy to facilitate money going to private insurance companies, rather than work within existing government programs that were already covered under the Hyde amendment.
If Cohen’s reporting is correct, the White House would rather circumvent Congress to appease Stupak than opt for their own “plan B” that protects women’s reproductive rights.





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Go Jane!
So glad you stuck to your guns.
Sorry, WHAT “executive order” on abortion??
Edit: Is this an executive order restating the “no federal funds” part of the bill? An executive order allowing federal funds? I’m seriously confused about what order this could be?
It’s just another reason I dumped Daily Kos and came to FDL. Well done, Jane!
I’m still astounded at the folks like Stupak (and the President for that matter) who want to force women to have children, no matter the cost to them, yet continually cut the services that might allow that mother and child to actually live a healthy and fruitful life.
Especially when the actions of Stupak et al are using excuses to cram their personal religious fealty to a bunch of pedophiles and child abusers down the throats of the rest of the country.
Keep on truthing the scoundrels, Jane and FDL.
You’re having a telling effect.
DW
From fighting to get a public option to fighting to preserve the current level of women’s health care options. Against a Democratic government. This is fucked up.
Yes, what is this “executive order?” Given the entire history of the health care, er health insurance reform debate, how bad is it?
So wait, what? Obama’s going to block the pro choice women in the house and hand Stupak his language?
What is happening?
Executive Order to do what?
But my goodness, they can just solve this with a signing statement, and Obama can declare Hyde to be unconstitutional and the current Supreme Court a bunch of wackos.
“. . . there own plan B which protects [what little is left of] women’s reproductive rights.”
Great job Jane!
Well said.
What is he going to put in an executive order? Why now? It’s like the whole nation is sitting in a dealership buying a car. They’d live to give us a great deal but the boss just won’t let them.
dKos already has this. You need to read both.
Executive order? So much for respecting the Constitution; guess Obama thinks like Bush, “it’s just a piece of paper”.
It ought to be one that tells the anti-choicers to f*ck off, but it won’t be, because Mr O is against abortions himself.
I just hope it doesn’t make things worse than they already are.
Ofcourse dKos had it. Markos sold out. As soon as the WH knew, they leaked it to their buddies in the veal pen.
It was the thought police that got to me most. If I hear “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” one more time I am going to open my living room window and scream til my neighbors call the guys in the white coats. I was here anyway because it has been the only place since this thing started where anybody was telling the truth.
this crap will still pass, they’re just shuffling who gets to vote no on it
it’s not a coincidence that this passed with just barely enough votes the first time in the house
If the Obama executive order hands Stupak his language, there will be no where for Obama to hide. He will own the language, not Stupak, and will be held PERSONALLY responsible for the greatest rollback to reproductive rights in 35 years.
I did not think this president’s trail of destruction could get much worse, but maybe we “ain’t seen nuthin’ yet”.
the lack of respect for the constitution has led us to this day
I’m with those who want to know what kind of executive order, to do what. I. Do. Not. Trust. This. WH. to preserve my rights as a woman. So before I sigh a breath of relief that Stupak’s antics (and Kaptur don’t forget) have been beaten back, I want to know what the hell they’re up to.
and why don’t the pro-choice people in congress finally grow a pair and refuse to vote yes on the nelson language too
Well, if he does this by “executive order,” he won’t be able to blame it on Congress [except to the extent they didn't stand up against him for women].
Well, as social scientists would say, Obama is revealing his preferences.
and of course he won’t juse use an exec. order to stop DADT or DOMA
fucking liar
I had been reading Kos since 2004. No more!
Maybe Rachel’s got something on Stupak…
An executive order to do what? Directing the Secretary of HHS to interpret the language of the bill mandating a pro-choice option on the exchanges (paid for with private funds) be interpreted to mean “no such plan” shall be offered? The legislative text I remember reading is very clear re: what types of plans must be made available on the exchanges: at least one w/privately-funded abortion coverage and one w/o. With states being able to reject the abortion coverage option per Nelson.
Stupak would mean no such plans on the exchanges, no? So how do you get there from here with an executive order? Executive orders interpret the means of enforcing the law, not change it. If the law says there must be plans with abortion coverage, how could an interpretation of that law say otherwise?
This would be pure face-saving for Stupak, at the expense of the president. But has Obama shown any willingness to take personal responsibility for such a deeply unpopular move before? He usually lets his critters in the Senate take the fall for his preferred policy. I can’t see him going the full Stupak with an unconstitutional executive order (unless it’s very vague, e.g. just declaring that the bill should be interpreted as not changing current law).
Yeah, we really ought to have a “health care cliche” bingo. [In our house we already have one for sports cliches, that we play when players are questioned after a game, or when analysts are blabbing.]
We could start with “don’t let the perfect, yada, yada,” and add:
** “if we don’t do this now, we miss the chance for 30 years”
** “if Obama loses on this, he won’t be able to get anything through for the rest of his term” [and based on results so far, that would be bad???]
C’mon, folks, you can fill in the blanks here.
PS – just got e-mails from OFA and others urging me to “call my rep.” I thanked them for providing me with the phone number and replied that I’d be calling to tell her to vote AGAINST this crap.
Can’t blame the the Church for not wanting women to terminate pregnancies, cuts into the priests child supply don’t you know.
/s
@ jonathangelling
Good point, thank you.
It’s worse that that — against the progressive “blogosphere,” who have now decided to either 1) stay silent or 2) fight to pass a huge blow to abortion rights and vilify anyone opposing it.
Whatever independent energy and authenticity defined the blogosophere initially, it’s gone. I’m not sure whether it’s peer pressure or just a love of “being the ones in power” (as if they’re anything more than ankle biters along for the ride), but it is both pernicious and insidious.
Ask yourself how people would respond if George Bush tried to do this. Some wouldn’t have cared even then, I understand that. But if they’re not responding in the exact same way they would have under those circumstances, if they were strong pro-choice supporters then and now are advocating for this bill to pass as-is, community members understand that — whether they note it at the time or not.
It may take a while to sink in, but it will have an impact.
For all practical purposes, Obama’s proposed executive order effectively rescinds rights the Supreme Court has extended to over half the people in America.
Looking strictly at numbers (rather than degrees of evil), that’s far more than the proportion of Americans FDR disenfranchised when he interned Japanese Americans.
Obama’s proposed EO disenfranchises a far greater proportion of Americans than were cruelly and wholly disenfracnhised under slavery.
In terms of sheer proportion of the population of America disenfranchised by the President, our nation last saw so many robbed of their freedoms when the American army largely exterminated the Native Americans.
What a cruel and bitter joke identity politics has played upon us all. America’s first person of color in the Oval Office is ready to rob a greater part of our neighbors of their rights than at any time since the Great White Fathers in their White House made war upon the First Peoples.
OFA is doubling down on whipping DeGette. In my mailbox this morning from Mitch Stewart:
That’s a good question. Doesn’t make me happy. I’ve been on the phone yelling at them all week — and lemme tell ya, as far as I could tell I was the only one.
When pro-choice women find out what’s actually happening, they’re furious. But the gatekeepers got bought off and so the message never got out. That’s why we started robocalling and doing district online ads. They effectively targeted the people who would care, and who pro-choice members of Congress don’t want to be upset (read: women who are likely voters and big pro-choice donors).
Do we have to? it is scary over there. Everything is orange.
If she has no objections to Stupak/Nelson, why the fuck is she accepting a paycheck from NARAL? And why the fuck are they paying her?
Jim, my hubby and I puke every time we hear that. We wondered if anyone else felt that way.
So let me get this straight. Obama would not stick his neck out for single payer, would not stick his neck out for a public option, or Medicare for all, or drug reimportation, but he’s willing to make a strong stand, by executive order, to restrict women’s rights?
The stuff nightmares are made of.
Jane has been asking that very question, for years.
The Stupak stuff was always meant as a “dead herring” or distraction from the main monkey business of shafting the little guy who can’t fight back.
Maybe NOW is part of the answer to organizing against all of the bullshit going on in the government right now. We need a coalition of true progressives who understand what happens when rights are taken away.
I just looked on the NOW site and Sac county has no chapter. WTF? I guess NOW has somehow been left in the internet dust of the 21st century.
That truth telling is genuine power, fungiblechatter.
It requires that each and every one of us, stand up, when the moment demands it, and speak to the truth.
Doing so allows others to recognize, those who understand or are coming to understand, that they too may stand courageously for truth.
The future does not demand leaders, it quietly demands people who will speak and stand for truth.
Truth is our only real weapon against ignorance and all that may grow from it.
Truth recognizes that we all are human beings, but some among us lack the humanity to understand that … they are the ones for whom fear and untruth are the primary weapons, that and their conviction that they are part of an elite group.
They are partly right in that assumption, they are part of a self-selected group, part of whom might be termed sociopaths and part of whom might be termed psychopaths … they all share the common lack of empathy and what most people, the majority of people on the planet, one imagines, would regard as “conscience”.
Oddly enough, the one thing such people cannot stand is to be laughed at, for when they may be laughed at, then they are no longer feared.
DW
I keep coming back to the realization that much of this trouble originated in the Senate, where the 2 Senators/state rule is at least 150 years outdated.
Basically, Ben Nelson’s 1,000,000 voters trumped Boxer’s 32,000,000.
The population disparities in the Senate are enabling the unreasonable to demand the ridiculous. And the House gets dragged under as a result, because if the House — which is based on proportional representation — had their bill running this issue, the legislation would be more likely to align with the majority views.
Instead, Pelosi and the leadership get hung up on the petulant demands of senators from small states over, and over, and over.
This is the leakage from a dreadfully outdated, dysfunctional Senate system that favors entrenched, oligarchic, reactionary interests over the common wisdom. If Pelosi can wrest anything from the institutional rigor mortis, I’ll be in awe.
Executive Order?!!!!!???? – I haven’t read the comments, but – that is scary, I hope that everyone here realize the deeper meaning and consequences of such a turn of events.
According to a Dkos diary:
When I see this, one of the things I think is,
And what DBartoo said above:
The president has more respect for the National Right to Life Committee than
he does for the Congressional Progressive Caucus or
the Bipartisan(!) Congressional Pro-Choice Caucus (Louise Slaughter*, Chair).
Can we blame him?
Edit: * for whom I regrettably stuffed envelopes during her first campaign in 1986.
“…institutional rigor mortis …”?
Would that be the “table” that nothing could be put on?
Just curious, ROTL.
;~DW
On the one hand they create Fear to errect their security state, on the other they are turning the Office of the President into a power center unto itself.
AS you are looking at their baubles, they are in turn transforming American ‘democracy’ into totalitarianism.
Wake up, Lakers!
It is called job security. If the pro-choice organizations have something to fight against then it is easy to recruit. By limiting abortion rights in the future it is easier to recruit and raise millions to fight for the right.
It works the same for the paper tiger liberals. It is much easier to raise money for something you are fighting against than it is to fight for something you already have. You know the old saying “you don’t know what you have until you lose it”.
TPM:
I know it is a small point in our current times where the Constitution is being actively subverted by those sworn to uphold it, but an Executive Order is exactly that. It is an order on how to execute the laws as passed by Congress and signed by the President. It can not rescind or replace them.
For those not happy about giving Kos some traffic, a link directly to the Toledo Blade.
Kaptur leaning towards yes
Every day we toot-toot our American democracy, – and then -, ooops, there’s the Senate.
Madison meant to insure the minorities of wealth, that all is well – and all IS well, if you are them.
That is so right. The generations that have been able to take advantage of a more equal footing for women don’t remember what it was like before. Not only do I remember no choice but the fact that women could not get mortgages or decent wages. How far are we on the road back to the sixties and seventies? “The Family” is not the only problem here. Ignorance and complacency abound on many fronts.
They must be really stuck if they’re even talking about this. It still doesn’t make any sense, why would pro choice people in the house vote yes with this executive order floating around, it’s the same as making a deal with Stupak?
Shit’s going off the rails.
As disheartening as it might be, at least we now know the truth. Whether they know it or not, “we the people” no longer have any representation in our federal government whatsoever. Not in the executive branch and not in Congress. Zip, nada.
Women – under the bus.
Middle class – under the bus.
The poor – under the bus.
Unions – under the bus.
Civil liberties – under the bus.
Corporations own the government. There is little difference between the political parties. Public policy is no longer designed to serve the public, but rather to serve the “system”.
So now we know. No reasonable, thinking person can deny this reality (although most of so called representatives of the left are certainly living in denial).
So the only remaining question is – what do we do now?
Do we know what time the vote is tomorrow?
Obama has never been for women’s rights. A supporter of women’s rights does not make reduction of abortion a big priority, thus lending legitimacy to the anti-abortion arguments of Republicans.
Thinking through this further, I’m sure this would be one executive order that would take effect immediately and be enforced, unlike the one to close Gitmo.
I do not agree with your comparison of the violation of rights. Being anti-choice is not the same as being pro-slavery or pro-internment camps. I am pro-choice because I believe the value of life of an actual person trumps the value of potential life. But there are those on the other side who are sincere (and this may only be a small percent of them) in their beliefs. I can understand this, as there is value in potential life. Comparing a violation of women’s right to choose with slavery and internment camps does not help the pro-choice cause. It will only alienate potential supporters. All are violation of rights, but the issue is one of degree.
When you look at the time stamp on the reconciliation amendment, it says 12:44. So I don’t think it can be any earlier than 12:44 tomorrow. They could have floor activity before that tho.
Bullseye.
This is why every dime I have to spare goes to FDL.
last estimate I heard was midnight, so take that for what it’s worth.
Ditto to what Elliot wrote
Disgusting. LOL. Some Democrats we have got ourselves.
that pegs it.
It isn’t the same because this puts the guilt with the President not with Congress or the Senate. It actually seems like a brilliant move by the President. The effects of the restrictions won’t take full effect until well after the next presidential election, much like the excise tax.
Oooh!!
Don’t forget “the right side of history”.
Which is a good one. Too bad they have it backwards.
Agreed. NOW seems much more inclined to have the courage to take an affirmative stand than NARAL does, which has been behind the curve in several recent occasions–for no reason other than political cowardice.
The bottom line is that we need to support those who can get our message out and get the job done.
If a woman does not have the right to make decisions about her own body because it is owned by the gov’t, that sounds like slavery to me.
Midnight tonight or tomorrow?
A random comment over at the Great Orange Personality Cult:
This is an administration predicated on low information voters.
Dunno, looks desperate rather than brilliant to me. Pro choice people (Americans not congress worms) are not going to notice the fake out?
What’s worse is that this is all to enrich a few already wealthy bastards and their companies.
Not helping the cause does not make the statement any less true.
Oh, we fight.
“what do we do now?”
the answer: what we’ve been doing all along. Ignore the rich history of working class struggle, and instead engage in petitioning a Congress that’s cut itself off from the public.
Yeah, and when Rahm heard about it he grew tits.
Per Ryan Grim at HuffPo, DeFazio is now leaning “no”:
That’s seems to be a big deal, because he wasn’t on D-Day’s last chart, which appears to have omitted only those he considered to be firm “yes.”
Well, it’s only Kabuki now. Look at the numbers:
202 6 5 209 9
That’s worst case, so:
208 for
214 against
9 undecided.
8 of those nine at least will go with the WH demands.
Any shift from leaning no to yes makes it easier, and with the way things are going, the leaners move to no more than yes, especially when the actual vote is taken.
I would like to be wrong, but….
My prediction,: Pass 228 for.
Thank you. You beat me to the punch with a much more concise rebuttal than I would have made.
Jane, I am in total agreement with you on plan B and I do not understand why any so-called progressives would rather pass this monstrosity than pass a bill that achieves half the results at a quarter of the price without trampling on womens rights and without bailing out the private insurers.
For those who think this bill will someday advance the cause of public health care, I say look at MA. We used to have a respected single payer movement. We, too, were supposed to have public health care as an “option” under the so-called reforms. Now? Now when this ridiculous boondoggle is costing far more than anyone anticipating they are talking about cost savings, single payer people are not even aloud in the hearings. No, the leg. is primarily hearing from private insurers and hospitals. Once we go down this path, the desire of “decision makers” will largely be to fix the private insurance system they just institutionalized, not to expand public insurance.
David Sirota has a nice tip of the hat to Jane on OpEd News
Nice article too.
tomorrow
I often wondered how a democracy could revert back to the level of bondage for women that we see in some other countries. Is this beginning? Is this incrementalism on the way back to less rights for women. I don’t know if there is a grand plan for this or is it the influence of the far right rearing its ugly head? I know that this comment seems extreme but we need to fight back right away. Right away!
Well said.
A) There is no “situation” to address
B) I couldn’t help but notice that the Kossacks were perfectly willing to accept anything Stupak had wanted in the interest in advancing this POS, even trolling this blog to call us names while Jane had the guts to stand up for principle
C) As for Nancy Keenan and NARAL, I quit them when they endorsed LIEberman over much more pro choice and much more liberal Ned Lamont. They’re dinosaurs, just too stupid to crawl into the nearest tar pit.
excellent, thanks TS.
-it even mentions FDL.
Thanks. Give me a good excuse to go to work late. *g*
I agree. The American Taliban seems to be gaining ground. And in my wildest dreams, I never thought a Democratic president and a female speaker of the house would be aiding and abetting them. WTF happened? (Rhetorical question.)
I agree and I think we should start with women. We need to inform and educate. We also need to let the Democratic women in Congress know that we won’t stand for this – no support, no money.
They are really pouring out the e-mails for money the last 2 days. Wouldn’t give them a cent if my life depended on it.
Sure but one of the big corporate spenders can simply look at the bet and up the ante.
I grew up in earshot of the Santa Anita race track: largest staging area for the internment. I don’t require your or any one else’s
attmept to divert confronting the evil at hand with endless attempts at quantification or comparison.
I don’t parse degrees of pain among my patients: I’ve no time for endless wonkery about who was hurt most.
That way lies the madness and competitive victimology that is the currency of the identity policts which have effectively paralyzed so much progressive activism over the last thirty years.
My calling is to attend to all the pain, not to decide whose pain is most deserving.
As noted in my comment, the comparison is not among degrees of evil: it is a comparison of numbers affected.
War upon the First Peoples was evil. Slavery was evil. The Japanese Interment was evil. Obama’s considering – even for a moment – rolling back reproductive freedom is evil.
I’ll waste no more time or energy on the carping, mewling contest to count which is the greater evil to dance upon the head of a pin. My energy goes towards melting the pin and cutting off the hand that wields it.
Join that work or stand aside as you will: it matters not to me.
I honestly believe that NARAL is like the Log Cabin Republicans. Either they are suffering from collective Stockholm Syndrome or they are a shill group trying to undermine from within.
The bus has replaced the “big tent,” and it’s getting crowded under there.
Thanks.
GOD I MISS BARBARA JORDAN!
Sure wish comment edit didn’t eat the line breaks. Sigh.
only in your preview.
Thanks for all your great work, clear writing, on a variety of issues for FDL over the years. You are a credit to your profession.
Beyond just a downright lie on their part whether it is based on ignorance alone. Nelson is in there. Obama did not sign a fucking executive order to keep Stupak from coming to the floor in the first place way back in Nov which sat us up for Nelson. And now he wants to do some kind of executive order! We must not allow the history of this entire charade since the original House bill to be rewritten no matter what happens now.
Refresh and format returns. Yer cool. Oh, well said.
You forgot the LGBT community and that bus is now the size of a train
Just refresh the page. The line breaks come back.
Oops! My bad.
POTUS is in no way anything resembling a feminist. Not even one teensy-tinsy bit. I know he has daughters, but that doesn’t always have the desired impact. In fact, sometimes it just makes them more paternalistic.
Will you marry me? I have asked before. Love the comment.
Sometimes quite the opposite. :
Hello, Doctor Murphy;
Great truthing, Kirk!
DW
His daughters don’t have the same worries that our daughters do.
The word of truth.
No caboose. They got room for more.
NARAl and et al need to get thrown under the bus by us for participating in this entire charade. I do not give a shit what people think of Hillary Clinton but NARAL threw us under the bus when they endorsed Obama before the primary was over. Shit, they could have just waited until the GE Campaign.
And that argument “But if you don’t vote for the Democrats the Republicans will win” is now meaningless.
I bitterly, bitterly regret casting my primary vote for Obama.
War is evil and has been perpetrated way back into the veils of history. People hurt and die on both sides. It appears to me that all you need to do is become peaceful and successful, as Japan before we forced their society open or Hawaii the same. You become a target, as if others cannot stand to see millions of people all being loving and successful.
What hurts me the most is that this nation has one of the worst history of such offenses, if not the worst.
You can describe Japanese society prior to the twentieth century as a lot of things. But “peaceful” is not among them. Even the Edo period was rife with local uprisings and contrived famines.
Beat me to it.
Read “The Imperial Cruise”. Japan closed it’s borders to foreigners and built a more peaceful nation until Perry showed up.
Of course I know about the samurai culture, but they decided to leave it behind.
But maybe Bradley has it wrong. What do I know!
check out Chris Hedges at Alternet. It pretty much tells the story of why the progressive blogs are going along with this. Very scary.
He really should run under the GOP ticket next time (Bambi, Corporate Stooge in Chief, that is).
Stone Age here you come! The Evangeliban are plotting the final take-over already!
I’m aware of that. The Edo period is the period of tenuous political unity between the 1600s and the arrival of Perry in 1854. It means “self contemplation” but it wasn’t all roses. Local warlords sometimes enforced their laws by with holding food and sometimes by slaughter. Peace at the point of a katana isn’t the rosy picture Bradley would have us believe. Just sayin’.
A victory, even if qualified. On to the next one.
Earlier I reported that per HuffPo DeFazio seemed to be leaning “no.” Well, it appears that the White House has called him in. Per HuffPo:
My guess is that they’ll work something out.
I agree. I refuse to go to that site. hopefully someone will post it here.
Okay…edge of a katana since it wasn’t a stabbing weapon. ;-)
I read something yesterday in which DeFazio was irritated at being thought to pay only lip service. He said, once again, that he was opposed to the bill.
Of course, so many have said that, but I’d like to think there are still a few holdouts, even after Kucinich caved.
Read chris hedges at AlterNet.
Yer quick. I was gonna say…
My hunch is that if it’s coming from Obama, we will all be very disappointed.
No one’s perfect and neither are societies. The First Nations here warred among themselves. I sincerely doubt WWII in the Pacific would have happened if it wasn’t for Perry. And sealed by T. Roosevelt.
The Constitution of the US was a strong attempt to reorder certain priorities and in view of the contempt for this document held by Bush and seemingly O, it seems that this isn’t the way the “follow the sun” folks want to go.
Ruins race purity.
And they will endorse women no matter who there or what they do. Emily’s List is the same.
Whatever your theories about future events if not for this event or that interference, Nihon was not by any means a “peaceful culture” prior to the arrival of Perry. Bradley has a very romantic view of the history of the country and it’s people. His facts are mostly correct but his conclusions are opinion, not fact. Japanese society was far more violent, for example than the worst gold rush town in the United States and its territories and much more despotic than Stalin’s USSR. Whole villages were sometimes slaughtered because of a perceived insult or imagined threat. That’s just the way it was. I love Nihon, I love the Nihonjin, I’ve lived and worked among them but they aren’t especially peaceful now and certainly weren’t even in the Edo period.
The bakumatsu period which Bradley and you refer to was indeed ushered in by resistance among some Nihonjin to treaties made with western countries but it is only one of many, many periods of civil war the islands have endured.
Thank you for your perspective. Perhaps he is romantic in your view, but the facts speak so far as interactions between Asian and West.
If no communication, inbound or outbound to their homeland was allowed, could the Japanese ever mounted an attack like Pearl? And why would they want to except for our meddling and deceits?
I am not blind to the pettiness coupled with savagery humans can do to each other, including their own kind. Sometimes I am amazed the ocean is blue and not red!
That is a huge generalization. They didn’t endorse Palin did they? Guess you were leaving out conservative women. Of course we disagree with them, but aren’t they women too? And I didn’t hear them endorsing Cynthia McKinney. Their down fall is they cater to the Dem Party so they can get some crumbs.
Margaret, regression into history has it’s dangers I full well understand. Summaries based on selected stopping points more so.
I hold this countries feet to the fire so far as our contributions to the horrors perpetrated. And yet when I see statements from, say, religious perspectives calling for wiping out other beliefs, I am ready to fight back. But even that is a stopping point in the regression.
So Obama is going to betray all the women who helped get him elected in order to pass this POS.
Piling bad on top of bad for the sake of bad, thinking that somehow something good will come of it.
It’s a Greek tragedy.
The bill, which will become law if approved by the House, would permit states to bar insurers from offering abortion coverage in policies sold in new state-run exchanges created under the legislation. In addition, national health plans administered by federal officials must include at least one policy that does not cover abortion. An earlier version of the Senate legislation would have required the exchanges to offer at least one policy with abortion coverage, but that requirement was removed from the final bill.
WaPo “correction” to the order on the Executive Order.