According to the Huffington Post, Diana Degette has agreed, on behalf of the pro-choice caucus, to the language of an executive order that the President will issue to address Bart Stupak’s concerns regarding the health care bill.
The Washington Post confirms that “it is likely at the very least to restate Obama’s commitment to upholding the Hyde Amendment” — which would effectively make the Hyde amendment permanent, rather than having to be renewed each year in the Appropriations bill. DeGette says that she would “would support that option, so long as Stupak’s provision is not given another vote.”
Members of the pro-choice caucus have said they will take their cues from DeGette.
Degette has steadfastly refused to release the names of the pro-choice members of the caucus who signed her letter saying they “would not vote for a conference report that contains language that restricts women’s right to choose any further than current law.”
Betsy Markey is one of the signatories of the Degette letter, and as she told me herself, she well knows that the language in this bill violates that pledge. They all do. But as the representative of the pro-choice caucus who agreed to the deal with the President, in the absence of the rest of the names on the letter, Degette is the one who has responsibility within the pro-choice community for whatever the Executive Order says.
I’ve asked DeGette’s office for the exact language that DeGette agreed to, and also for the names of the cosigners.
The buzz in the pro-choice community is that the Executive Order will simply restate Hyde — as if they hadn’t been working for years to repeal Hyde. And perhaps the signing statement will stop there. I find it hard to believe that the anti-choice members of the caucus who have held out this long will find that persuasive, especially when they’re carrying the banner on behalf of American’s United for Life, who want no money from the bill to go to Planned Parenthood clinics regardless of what it is used for. That’s what they have been holding out for all along.
Perhaps Stupak and his block were just looking for an out however, an excuse to drop their fight and vote for the bill without looking to the anti-abortion community that they just gave in to political pressure. And perhaps the anti-abortion community will be appeased with a simlly making Hyde permanent. It would be totally out of character, but I guess it could happen.
If, on the other hand, the President signs an executive order that satisfies the demands of the AUL, it could do to Planned Parenthood what they’ve already done to ACORN. And that could have very far-reaching effects. The “money is fungible” argument that Stupak has been advancing (which Rachel Maddow has addressed) could be applied to employer deductions to purchase health insurance, or money for small businesses to purchase health care, and on and on.
Where do you draw the line?
DeGette is taking an awful lot on her shoulders by being the only one to approve this. She’s in a D+21 district, which is why she can take the political risk of being the head of the pro-choice caucus in the first place. She gets enormous support from pro-choice donors, and the primary filing deadline in Colorado is May 27. When we put calls into likely 2010 pro-choice voters into her district last week, over 800 of them added their names to a statement telling her to oppose the bill unless the anti-choice language came out.
At this point, it appears that the only ones who know what the executive order will say are those who have signed off on it, a short list that includes DeGette and whichever members of the Stupak block were persuades to cast their votes.
If Obama issues a signing statement, someone is going to be disappointed. Either the Stupak defectors will not be delivering for the AUL, or Diana DeGette will have single handedly agreed to turn Planned Parenthood into the new ACORN.
I’ll be on David Sirota’s radio show at 9am ET Monday morning discussing it.



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It is absolutely unbelievable that not one Sunday show asked Jane to appear to discuss the shortcomings of Obama’s HCR Bill BEFORE it is voted on. Or, maybe it’s totally believable & that’s the crux of the problem Progressives face.
Aren’t you troubled by an executive order, Jane? I mean, what a coup. A Democratic presidents signs a pro-life/anti-abortion executive order. When’s the last time that happened? Never, I’m guessing.
This basically negates the presence of pro-choice language in the Dem platform. It’d be a major victory for pro-life/anti-abortion forces. I can’t believe there isn’t more outrage over it.
Donwe knownwhen this elevation of Hyde to permanent Presidential level is expected to happen? As for outrage, I have plenty now and no problem sustaining it for a long long long time. This President is anti-choice, he’s made that clear for years and signing an executive order to enshrine Hyde into permanent policy is merely showing his true belief.
Damn, this is just NOT the DeGette I know. What the hell is happening with her?
Jane who could primary her from the left? Off the top of my head I just can’t think of anybody.
I didn’t even think about that but yes, the President is now the one making Hyde permanent.
That’s great.
I am not sick over this, really…..I am not even angry or disappointed……I have stopped having any faith in our elected politicians……I am also getting prepared for these same scoundrels to cut Social Security and SSI–for the very poor and disabled next…..Once these jerks get one thing passed like this, they will continue and Social Security is next up to be cut…..
They will also be proposing a National ID card which includes a Biometric stip and will be able to track you. It will also have your DNA sample on this as well as other private information. They will say this is also necessary for people gaining access to healthcare facilities even as it will be introduced under Immigration Reform.
This country has certainly gone under and I may be looking to go live in Canada very soon.
DeGette is no “Feminist.”
DeGette’s positon here is an insult to those dedicated women and others who walked and fought like hell for the Equal Rights Amendment and women’s issues after that was defeated.
I come from the era of the Equal Rights Amendment, and I knew America was a fake nation in the area of equal rights for all, when that bill failed.
Liberal values and liberal beliefs and liberal causes and all the fights taken on behalf of liberalism such as women’s rights and economic justice are not being DEFEATED by Republicans here, but BY the DEMOCRATIC PARTY….
Yes, its The DEMOCRATIC PARTY which is out to DEFEAT all those LIBERAL LEGISLATIVE VICTORIES FOUGHT FOR in the 1960s & 1970s by ACTIVISTS!!!!
And, its PRESIDENT OBAMA who is the CATALYST OUT TO DESTROY rather than fix the present problems aided by HIS ARROGANCE!!!!
Its the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and not the Republicans here who are BRINGING ABOUT the Impending Social and Economic Repression we have yet to face and live with.
It is very interesting indeed that these
House Democrats – are busy at work along with the Obama White House engineering language in an executive order maintaining this “long-standing ban on federal funding of abortion.”
Yes, this HCR would be given cover by an EO to ensure that that a “long-standing ban on federal funding of abortion” continues on and on……
The tricks and deceiving methods they have up their sleeves and skirts….
The day women’s rights to choose TOTALLY DIED……
Bye-Bye America…..
Good-bye to Abortion Rights for women…..Women selling out fellow women and then saying they are “Feminists” is as perverse and Orwellian as it gets.
Diana Degette – Faux “Feminist”
Diana Degette – Traitor to Women’s Abortion Rights
“The buzz in the pro-choice community is that the Executive Order will simply restate Hyde…”
At this hour, “the pro-choice community” is irrelevant and meaningless and utterly placed in the dustbin of history….for their yellinng and activism has been reduced to compromising all they claimed to believe in. This so called “pro-choice community” may as well lock their doors and close up shop for they are useless as the “antiwar” Democrats.
Freakin’ outrageous. Seriously. The legislative process breaks people.
It’s a different world in DC, that’s for sure. I was just talking to my mother about the dysfunctional system of having meetings and one-on-ones before the vote, and instead just letting each member show up on time and cast the vote s/he feels is best. That way no one is unduly threatened with the loss of committee assignments, stripped funding, castration, or whatever it is they stoop to during landmark legislation.
This farce just keeps getting worse and worse. Good grief.
After everything Orahma has given away and “compromised” we’re supposed to go along with DeGette? No thanks. She and Lynn Woolsey deserve each other.
I think it’s called the final bribery-a-thon. Disgusting isn’t it?
It’s quite a house of cards they’ve got going here.
Oh, and I want my $10 back.
Wonder if anyone is monitoring the electronic money transfers that are going on. Betcha it’s just a zooming the ol’ electrical bills!
Exactly. First Tim Kaine, now this. Very ugly stuff.
So true, Jane “The buzz in the pro-choice community is that the Executive Order will simply restate Hyde — as if they hadn’t been working for years to repeal Hyde.” Who are they fooling? Like this is just some little thing for a Democratic President? Give me a break!
An EO isn’ the same as a law. He can sign it and rescind it later if he wants… no?
playing 3 card monte and loosing does not entitle you to that.
wizard, – I am really glad to see you on a tear!
Are you really surprised?
I am an escort at Planned Parenthood. I refused to do their “lobby days” this year because I knew the fix had been in with the higher ups and their buddies in Congress. Why should I waste my time when they’re going around behind me cutting sell-out deals that will cost lives? Congresspeople have good insurance; their daughters and wives will not be trying to get an abortion or reproductive healthcare from a Planned Parenthood.
The arrogance is stunning. The dedicated people at the clinics are being sold out by their lobbyists. Craven indifference.
The class war will have more and more victims, until we figure out we cannot rely on these corrupted politicians. They are not on our side.
This nation is beyond outrage.
I’m with you. That’s entirely expected. No media outlet s going to put on a progressive who is against this thing. Talking points! They want talking points and gamesmanship, not reasoned argument. That’s for NPR before Tomlinson took it over.
There is a prescription for a corrupt, unresponsive and oppressive government. Start with the Declaration of Independence.
Most Dems. out here are where most of us were in 2002 with BV$H’s regime after 9/11. It’s just a few that are becoming aware that BV$H intends to use this disaster to push his entire reactionary war centered Corp. centered nightmare. But, it was already too late to stop what was coming. We live in the aftermath of that time, but it seems the Dem. party leadership learned all the wrong lessons from that time didn’t it?
The irony is that the bobbleheads, their producers and their executive producers don’t even realize they are nothing more than instruments of propaganda.
I keep on asking when the Lake will begin brainstorming a way out of this, other than it’s core’s yeoman efforts at working the system from within?
wizard, Blutoe, anyone?
Got that right.
Transparency we can believe in.
Could you lower your voice a little? It’s hard to read with all the BOLD and CAPS you’re putting in.
Don’t they? Hmmm….sometimes I wonder…
Wow, guess Obama will get a favorable passage in the Texas schoolbooks for this.
yep. And they routinely stay in place for years, too.
I’d like to know why he can’t come through on any of the promises he actually made to get elected, instead of coming through on those Bush made. Because I didn’t vote for Bush any time he was on my ballot.
Hi PJ, don’t you know that the people who caps and bold care more than anyone else here. /S as if.
And only fuckno cares more.
No cookies tonight. Fried Chicken.
The short version: women screw women. No offense to lesbians.
Ah, takes one to know one? Not.
Hi.
wizleft @ 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12….
congrats. In what would have seemed impossible, you have made yourself into the most annoying commenter here.
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This thread is getting interesting.
There’s always the video store. Wank.
I disagree. They do realize that they are sad clown shills. But they are millionaire sad clown shills.
I guess I missed the part in my elementary school civics class when they taught there were “unitary executive” exemptions to the whole “power of the purse belongs exclusively to Congress” Constitutional lessons.
We knew Bush was overreaching. Isn’t this the same thing — budgetary and social lawmaking by Presidential fiat in the absence of legislated law?
I’m still trying to figure out what happened to all the Democrats we supposedly elected.
Way to find a silver lining!
just cannot help yourself, can you?
Lay off.
I have no prescription other than the only way out is a way out. The tragedy and farce that the U.S. has become will have to play itself to it’s ignoble conclusion. “Let all the poisons in the mud hatch out.” The “people” by and large no longer see themselves as “citizens” for they are told by their leaders they are first and foremost “consumers.” No representative democracy and/or republic can long endure without the active engagement of all the people, not just vested “interest groups” or lobbies. No, the U.S. is in for some very troubling times and the current cast of characters will mouth their prescribed “officially” sanctioned lines and the assembled consumers will either cheer or hiss but it will all be to the same end.
Somebody call a truce!
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I really think they are terminally naive and/or ignorant and actually see themselves as honorable representatives of a legitimate 4th Estate.
I think some do but I think most just wanna hang out and be a Villager and keep getting invited to the parties and events and so forth. They can’t all be so vacuous as to be unaware of their shilling. Can they?
TRUCE! Okay, wasn’t involved but it needed saying. :-)
LOL! Succinct and accurate.
Please people. I’m in no way a mod, or even remotely close to a firedog/pup, but please be more civil to each other. Differences aside, this is one of the few bastions of common sense and normal left in the blogosphere. Let’s not lose this too. There’s been enough lost in the last 10 years.
how sad. the discourse here at the lake is hard for me to take these days. people are really frustrated with the faux health care reform. i’d rather not see us taking it out on each other. i’m personally deeply saddened by the turn our country has been taking. obama is turning out to be a menace to the lives of ordinary people. here re surveillance, health care, etc. there re torture, war, etc.
i wish i knew how to play 11 dimensional chess and knew a way clear.
Who says politics isn’t exciting?
Well, to be more precise it goes all the way back to Ronnie Reagan.
haha……gotch ya…..you read it and just did not like it!!!!
Good on ya!!!!!
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How much has Degette received through Emily’s list?
She’s on my blacklist.
Bluetoe2 @ 49
We can probably agree that the economic system will soon implode, that whatever happens with HCR will, in view of the austerity measures, and the rising in unemployment, become a dead letter. Chronic, rising, structural unemployment is likely to rile the public into action.
I’m afraid that if the left does not have in place an organization to rival the Tea Party, the future will be to bleak to contemplate.
Maybe because this is more of Jane’s nonsense.
@ Jane –
I’ve thought of someone who could primary DeGette and win: Tim Gill.
The perks and privileges are part of the job description and/or benefits at a national level. They believe in the “myth” of the U.S. and not it’s realities. Edward R. Murrow believed in the promise of America and sought to change it’s realities. When you believe in nothing more than the myth there is no future to the promise.
Any Executive Order Obama signs can also be rescinded with another Executive Order. I don’t see Stupak getting any assurances with this “deal.”
I should do a chart of all her pro-choice PAC donations. Individual donors are more difficult to identify, but she’s received big $$.
Ah ha. Just listening to a cd that Larue sent me.
There Ain’t No Cure For Love.
True dat.
Wish I had some pie for my yap.
I don’t know – maybe it turned the sound off on its computer?
How’s it going over in your corner?
(one of my grapes is blooming for the first time this year, and the rhubarb is already getting flower stalks. @#$%^&*() global warming!)
It’s an evil Karl Rove trick.
Jane had it right when she said the Left/Right paradigm is not working. Look what we’ve been reduced to. Now the opposition Party will spend the next several months cynically running against an individual mandate they themselves dreamed up. The Democratic response will be hey, you were for the draconian individual mandate before you were against it. You are just jealous we passed it first.
I think Robert Reich is right about his Mad as Hell Party. We are not a country that does movements very well anymore. But, man, until we get the money out of the system, like totally out, no loop holes, I don’t know how things seriously improve.
The day women’s rights to choose TOTALLY DIED……
Bye-Bye America…..
Good-bye to Abortion Rights for women…..Women selling out fellow women and then saying they are “Feminists” is as perverse and Orwellian as it gets.
Liberal values and liberal beliefs and liberal causes and all the fights taken on behalf of liberalism such as women’s rights and economic justice are not being DEFEATED by Republicans here, but BY the DEMOCRATIC PARTY….
Yes, its The DEMOCRATIC PARTY which is out to DEFEAT all those LIBERAL LEGISLATIVE VICTORIES FOUGHT FOR in the 1960s & 1970s by ACTIVISTS!!!!
It is the one and only “I am Change” – PRESIDENT OBAMA who is the CATALYST OUT TO DESTROY rather than fix the present problems aided by HIS ARROGANCE!!!!
It is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and not the Republicans here who are BRINGING ABOUT the Impending Social and Economic Repression we have yet to face and live with.
It is very interesting indeed that these House Democrats – are busy at work along with the Obama White House engineering language in an executive order maintaining this “long-standing ban on federal funding of abortion.”
Yes, this HCR would be given cover by an EO to ensure that that a “long-standing ban on federal funding of abortion” continues on and on……
The tricks and deceiving methods they have up their sleeves and skirts….
Diana Degette – Faux “Feminist”
Diana Degette – Traitor to Women’s Abortion Rights
I am not sick over this, really…..I am not even angry or disappointed……I have stopped having any faith in our elected politicians……I am also getting prepared for these same scoundrels to cut Social Security and SSI–for the very poor and disabled next…..Once these jerks get one thing passed like this, they will continue and Social Security is next up to be cut…..
They will also be proposing a National ID card which includes a Biometric stip and will be able to track you. It will also have your DNA sample on this as well as other private information. They will say this is also necessary for people gaining access to healthcare facilities even as it will be introduced under Immigration Reform.
This country has certainly gone under thanks to Obama, and I may be looking to go live in Canada very soon.
Obama is doing to America what Gorbachev did to the Soviet Union. The decaying of America and its end are near thanks to the Obama presidency and the immoral and unethical principles carried out by the useless “Weimar Democratic Party.” It took the spineless actions of the Weimer Republic in Germany to enable the rise of Nazi Germany. Well, the stupid Democrats are acting as useful idiots to usher in the rise of the Fascist States of America. Yes, the Obama administration is turning America into a Corporate-Fascist state like not even a Republican president could do.
But then again—Obama’s Hero is former President Ronald Wilson Reagan–one who was also a Corporate Fascist himself and someone who detested the popular movements of the 1960s and 1970s just like Obama.
I want to know who’s in the pro-choice caucus. I want to write lots of letters.
I ain’t had no love since my cure.
Please do. This could be useful.
Would you please stop yelling ! Eyeballs falling out.
Janey!!! You go, girl. On this fabulous Saturday nite. Is that what it is? Dang, woman! I’z got some fried chicken for ya, if your hungry.
Chicken and Leonard Cohen goin’ right now. Could be worse.
Democrats and Republicans are the heads and tails of the same coin and both sides of a worthless coin are equally worthless.
Sunday mornin’ talk shows. Sally Quinn explains health reform, Cokie Roberts discusses the Mideast, Sean Hannity accuses Debbie Schlussel of being a progressive lesbian, Bob Woodward has a new secret he cannot talk about, Thomas Friedman, talks about another six months and then something will happen, Henry Paulson gives financial advice, Markos Moulitas explains how progressives are really hippies…same as it is every week.
(((Blue))))
Sending you mad virtual love and hugs. I know it ain’t easy.
The enemy of women and the Biggest Traitor to Women’s Abortion Rights at this Hour, well:
You can start with Rep. Diana Degette and list the rest of the faux “Feminusts” in the Weimar Democratic Party
I refer to these Democrats as the Weimar Democrats because they enable the rise of the radical right to become stronger at the same time they sell out every last liberal cause and prefer in its place–economic, social and political repression.
This was a question in the back of my mind as Bush et al manufactured those outrageous legal theories expanding executive power beyond any nightmare you could have after downing a pepperoni pizza immediately after a constitutional law class and passing out with a keg of beer.
Who says that the next Dem president is going to give up all that extra power?
Too bad I don’t like to make bets.
I second that. Ya know wiz…that sort of thing makes me skip a comment, it doesn’t make me want to read it. Using bold or ALL CAPS for punctuation every now and then is one thing but using them for whole paragraphs is a turn off. Just my opinion.
Isn’t that what Gore Vidal has been saying for about the last 20 years?
The unmitigated arrogance of StuPAC is outrageous.
He isn’t satisfied with the firewall separating accounting functions? WTF? Do you think I’m satisfied with “faith-based initiatives” that funnel public money into religious organizations without even base-level monitoring? And to think that while such a program is likely unconstitutional, abortion is the ONLY medical procedure to have been codified by SCOTUS.
Ugh, I may need insurance by tomorrow. I’m going to stroke out.
Is it? I said it first!
Thanks demi. ((((Hugs))) back at ya. We’ll all get through this because life is an eternal struggle. The myth of Sisyphus comes to mind.
Since Gore isn’t here, at least I don’t think he is, I’ll take your word for it.
Nobody ever gives up power willingly. We have been moving towards some form of totalitarianism, like forever. Clinton threw the Democrats under the bus, and all’s been downwards from there.
Humanism has no allies in the Democratic Party – none!
“the pro-choice caucus”
You aren’t serious? There is no such thing at this late hour my friend. There are no letters for you to write since there is no viable caucus, in the manner you ask, left.
It is over. It is dead. All these once said liberal/progressive caucuses no longer exist or matter.
Their votes determine the proof in the pudding as to viability of their so-called ot stated caucus.
I am not going to tell ya what to do. But save your time and money and do not “write lots of letters” to those who have not earned your time.
You will have to come to the realization that you cannot rely on these people for anything and at this late hour—–
These politicians have become the ENEMIES of FREEDOM and all the gains made in the popular movements of the 1960s and 1970′s as they abdicate power into the hands of the robber barons known as the corporate class at the expense of the many, many and many—the people, the citizens and loyal taxpayers.
For you:
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http://tinyurl.com/yzwl67m
Shit, that’s a long fucking link. Sorry. But, here’s a napkin, too. :)
Jane, just to b clear, can you explain this line a bit more – “It could do to Planned Parenthood what they’ve already done to ACORN.”
Why have Planned Parenthood and the other supposedly pro-choice groups decided to risk receiving funding via Sanders’ health centers, instead of promoting the idea that the full breadth of reproductive services are part of a woman’s general health and, therefore, should be part of the overall bill, not the casualty of it that will be remedied by a back door order that entrenches a non pro-choice idea? If a Republican majority takes hold, won’t they just make PP an easier target since the org will be a vulnerable piece of the puzzle instead of embedded in the very framework of the system? Is this what you’re referring to?
I realize Rahm believes that they lost the fight last time because of a women’s right to choose, (which, for some mysterious reason is a wedge issue for Democrats despite their platform), but that was 17 years ago. Why should compromise be so compromised as to come on the backs of women? What will the administration do in the upcoming years to pay us back? I know I will be keeping score on that issue from now on. What happened to the 18 million cracks in the ceiling Ms. Clinton’s candidacy unleashed?
Gore was alluding to lopsided wings on a fowl, as best I can recall.
It’s a really tough angle, ain’t it? But glad to hear you say we’ll get there together.
Blessings you you, son.
Now that I think about it I believe it was Nader that said the 2 parties were merely different sides of the same coin.
Well, even if he said it first, I’m in good company.
http://www.tinyurl.com
Save it. Use it. It helps. :-)
I said it first!
That’s really sweet demi. It’s good to know that there are still many who believe in a “we” society, a place of community and growth.
too much to admit for too many, so they dance around pretending all’s not so bad.
in america things fix themselves, you know.
all those e-mails, phone calls and letters to my rep and my senator( forget Scott Brown) all the petitions I’ve signed and the letters to the editor I’ve written and it finally comes down to this.
I guess I’ll just have to hold my nose because it looks like this pile of poop is going to pass. The only thing we can hope for is that changes will be made by future congresses , and maybe we’ll get our PO or medicare buy-in
(though I wouldn’t hold my breath).
Sweet woman, ya are.
Dance Me To The End Of Love.
Glad to have so many friends here.
La la, La la, La, la…..
That same link after tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/yzwl67m
From 373 character to 26. Love me some tinyurl.
Waste of time? Maybe but it will give me great satisfaction to tell them exactly what I think. If we don’t tell them, they’ll think they’re doing just fine. They are a bunch of lying twits and I want them to know that.
I just hope the question, “who first said, The political parties are different sides of the same coin” never comes up on Jeopardy.
you ain’t kidding that link is long , it runs right across the whole page and beyond
Bookmarked. Thank you, Peg. I’m saved. Until next time. *g*
Even when you tell them they still think they are doing just fine and that there must be something wrong with you.
Interesting e-mail:
My Congressman, Bart Stupak, Has Neither a Uterus Nor a Brain …a letter from Michael Moore
Friday, March 19th, 2010
Friends,
I live in Michigan, in one of the 31 counties represented in the U.S. House of Representatives by none other than Mr. Bart Stupak, a Democrat. You’ve probably never heard of him. He’s a pretty quiet guy, a former Michigan State Police trooper who boldly decided to run some 18 years ago as a Democrat in a rural part of Michigan that votes almost exclusively for Republicans (yes, I know — what am I doing here? I’ll save that story for a future letter).
His voting record is pretty conservative for a Democrat, but he’s had a few shining moments. In the wake of the Columbine shootings, he voted for some gun control, a not-too-popular position to take here in northern Michigan. The NRA came after him with all they had in 2000.
But the good people of this area knew Bart’s story and understood: He’s been touched personally by gun violence. In a terrible tragedy, his teenage son, depressed and confused from the medication he’d been prescribed, killed himself with the family’s .38 revolver. Despite the NRA’s best efforts, Bart was returned to Congress by an overwhelming margin.
Yet, here we are, just days before a weak, simple-minded, but now ultimately necessary health care bill has a chance of making it through Congress — and Bart Stupak is threatening to derail it because he wants to make sure that no woman WHO BUYS HER OWN INSURANCE with HER OWN MONEY is able to have a medically-insured abortion. We’re not talkin’ about federally-funded abortions — those were stupidly outlawed long ago. Bart Stupak doesn’t like that the Democrats’ bill doesn’t prohibit private insurance programs, set up for those whose employers don’t provide it, from providing abortion coverage if they get any federal funding — even to an individual woman paying without any government help. That’s it.
A group representing most of America’s 59,000 Catholic nuns has written to Congress and said that Obama’s health care plan should be passed. Stupak, instead, has chosen to diss the nuns. Last night he went on TV and dug his heels in — he said he intended to stop this health care bill and he didn’t care what anyone had to say.
Now, it would be easy for some to just pass this attitude off on his Catholicism — he believes what he believes and you have to respect him for that, even if you don’t agree with him. But it’s not that simple. It turns out that Stupak has been living in a subsidized room in the “C Street House,” run by the infamous right-wing Christian cult “The Family.” It was in this former convent that GOP Rep. Chip Pickering (according to his former wife) carried on the affair that ended his marriage. It’s where South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford sought refuge as his marriage fell apart thanks to HIS affair. And then there’s C Street roommate Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, who cheated on his wife with the wife of one of his top staffers. (The Justice Department is currently investigating whether Ensign committed a felony while paying off his aide to keep him quiet.)
C Street is where power, money, sex and religion meet. So am I led to believe that Bart Stupak lives in a brothel and belongs to a cult? He says he was just renting a room there. But that just doesn’t ring true. Something stinks to the high heavens here, and Stupak sees no irony in taking his holier-than-thou position while living in a house that should be dubbed “Hypocrites’ Hideaway.”
If Stupak were truly pro-life then he’d vote for this bill. Right now, a mother in the U.S. has a TEN times greater chance of dying in childbirth than a mother does in Ireland. If you really wanted to reduce abortions, you’d have to ask yourself this question: Why does godless France, where abortion is nearly free (it’s covered by their universal health insurance), have 20% fewer abortions per capita than we do? What’s even more amazing about that statistic is that you can’t even get an abortion in America in 87% of our counties because there isn’t one single doctor in those counties who will perform one! 87%!! The Right has scared them all to death — literally — out of performing an otherwise legal, safe procedure. So, you can say women have “choice” in this country, but the reality is the “choice” doesn’t exist in the majority of the nation. “Right to Life” has essentially won this battle. (My personal position: I don’t get to have a position — I don’t have a uterus. If a Senate that was 90% female told me I couldn’t have a vasectomy or made it a crime to leave the toilet seat up, I guess I might object.)
What is “life”? An egg is life, a sperm is life. Those sperm aren’t running on a battery pack. They are living creatures, as is a fertilized egg. But they’re not “human beings.” A human being is something that can exist outside the womb of a mother. If you think a fertilized egg is a human being, then I respectfully ask you to go down to the DMV today and have them change your birthday on your driver’s license to 9 months older than what you’ve been telling everybody.
So back to my question. Why do we have an abortion rate 20% higher than France’s (and more than twice as high as Germany’s), especially considering most doctors here won’t perform them? The answer is ANY country that has universal health care, where contraception is free, where child care is free or inexpensive, where there is less poverty because people don’t become bankrupt over medical bills — those societies are simply going to have fewer unplanned and unwanted pregnancies.
And there the mask gets pulled off the Bart Stupaks and the “Christians.” If the statistics show that countries with government-provided universal health care and nearly-free abortions are, in fact, the countries with the fewest abortions, then why on earth wouldn’t the Right be the first in line to support universal health care?!!
Because it isn’t about “universal health care.” It’s about controlling women, period. It’s about sticking your nose in other people’s business. It’s about pushing your religious beliefs on everyone else because voices in your head tell you your Jesus is The One — even though YOUR Jesus never said one single solitary word in any of the four gospels of the Bible about abortion or fertilized eggs being human. You’ve just gone and made it up about “life beginning at conception.” Jesus NEVER said that. The little voice in your head said that, the same little voice that wants your grubby paws on women’s uteruses. You need help. Please get some help and leave the rest of us alone, Mr. Stupak and friends.
After all, isn’t it enough that women can’t get an abortion in any of the 31 Michigan counties you represent in Congress? There is not one single abortion provider here in the north of the state, according to Planned Parenthood Mid and South Michigan. Hey, Bart — you’ve already won! Women’s rights have been stamped out in your entire Congressional district! Woo hoo!
So why don’t you leave the rest of the country alone, step out of the way, and let them have the minimal health coverage this bill will give them? You wouldn’t really crush the sick and infirm because of your own personal agenda, would you? What would Jesus do?
In the meantime, Bart, my neighbors and I are going to make sure a real Democrat runs against you in August’s primary here. One of our religious beliefs in these parts is to never impose our religious beliefs on others.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MichaelMoore.com
I didn’t get this directly from M Moore, but relayed from another source.
At least not while I’m a contestant!
I doubt they give a flying F*%k. The only thing that will rattle these bastards is bodies marching in the Streets. That’s not to say that petitions are meaningless, just that they are not enough by far.
I think money is the only thing they would really notice Bodies on the street = bodies not at work, buying products, etc. It would have to be sustained. So far I’ve never even been given a discussion on that idea.
In the corner, with my chicken and listening to Leonard.
Sorry to break the margins. But Margaret got me hooked up.
Everybody Knows…..
Not everyone’s dancing…
But, I am!
I would encourage Michael Moore, Chris Hedges and David Sirota to consider forming a new political party. There are many other “names” that could be included. Are you in fuckno?
Yes, there are some, (not as many as other sites) very stubborn deniers of the truth in here as to what these Corporate-Fascist Democrats are all about…..it’s kinda sad too….I refuse to live in a state of denial…..I have seen this coming for years though…..
This is not about reform but about fancy ways to cut and slash programs in the long-run….Social Security cuts will be next…..
The Dems admitted after losing in 2004 to Bush that they’d have to revisit their position on abortion rights perhaps “do things differently.” To me, this meant turning their backs on the Feminist movement which they no longer saw as being a “political winner.” Yes, the Weimar Democrats may talk the language of “women’s right to choose,” but you see that evidence does not square up with the words uttered.
I can’t march in the streets so I do what I can. I have said before at FDL that women are the key to what we need and we ignore them too much.
It’s true! Masses of people marching in the streets frightens the crap out of the fat cats and aristocrats. They must have images of the guillotine in their subconscious.
That’s fine….never wanted to give you any advice….
If that is what you want to do, I say do so…..I am not being cynical or a wise ass saying to go ahead and write those letters…..Again, if that is what you need to do and it well help your state of mind at this late hour, you have my support, 100%.
Take care.
I knew shit was going to hit the fan when Orahma chose his chief of staff. I knew the guy wasn’t a progressive and that he was DLC all the way but that was my “Oh shit” moment
Jean-Paul Marat was unable to march in the streets either yet he was the champion of the people during the French Revolution.
(((Twain)))
You are constantly a voice I love.
I knew that too but before you.
:-D
worried about bodies not at work?
10% unemployed in the streets wouldn’t give them pause? I’d say they’d be shiting their pants and flying off to their masters private isles.
Thank you. Continue with your dancing. It sounds like fun.
I don’t know what that means?
There’s plenty of people who for legitimate reasons cannot, and whatever you do, don’t stop.
It’s a laughy face. It means LMAO
Well apparently they’re not. We of the long term unemployed on the other hand….
Shorthand. I like that.
Just when I thought I could not possibly despise Obama any more than I do . . .
drowned in a bathtub with a mortal knife wound, ironic.
I am still waiting for my U.S. Senator to reply to my questions regarding the Bush administration’s torture policy and the Obama administration’s failure to indict Torture Lawyers John Yoo and Jay Bybee and to seek revoking their law licenses and removing Bybee from the Federal bench…
After a month now, still no reply to my questions.
“apparently they’re not” is no excuse not to start to figure out how to organize the only power those fucks respect. The bagger’s are doing it. Where is the fucking Peace movement?
Well, Lady Guillotine probably would have caught up with him like it did with most of the leaders of the Revolution during the Reign of Terror. Being the champion of the people had it’s built-in downside.
apropos: “The fear the Black Jacobin revolution in Haiti has never really passed from the colonialist, the imperialists, the racists.”
Toussaint L’Overture’s overtures scare them to death.
There is a counter movement to the teabaggers. Something along the lines of the Coffees, seriously. You might want to google it.
See? There you go again. You seem to be accusing me personally of not doing enough. One person marching is a spectacle, not a movement. “apparently they’re not” meant that the corporatists are apparently not shitting their pants at 10 percent unemployment. Why are you cursing at me?
thers has late nite up at the mothership
Maitenant mes amis. C’est tout pour moi. Bonne hui et abientot!
Margret, please stop projecting!
As a civilian instructor for Old Dominion University on board the USS Austin in 1978, it used to really tick-off the Ex-O when I wore my ERA t-shirt. “There will never be women on board ships in this man’s Navy,” he frequently asserted to me.
To listen to some of the laments that all of the gains of women and their rights are going down the toilet with HCR is just nauseating.
Poor women don’t have insurance coverage for abortion now. Do I think that is right? No, I don’t. But to claim that HCR will take away rights that weren’t there in the first place is simply inflammatory rhetoric.
Let’s get this down to the nitty-gritty. You have Medicaid, which won’t cover abortion, and you scrape together the money from family and friends to get one. Have you put you Medicaid benefits at risk? Well, no. HIPPA regulations would prevent the abortion provider from supplying information regarding your abortion to anyone else.
So, the question for me comes back to, why would it be wise to sacrifice HCR on the basis of abortion rights? Sacrificing the many for the few. Perhaps the answer is there are those whose interests are best served by keeping women perpetual victims.
That doesn’t even make sense! Projecting? I tried to carry on a civil conversation with you and you started cursing. How is that “projection”? Moderators?
It’s the first time I’ve heard that you’ve been unemployed. I’ve been concerned about the lack of a left activist movement waaay before this.
Did I curse at you?
White House Executive Order: F&%k You to Planned Parenthood, DeGette Undecided About Sign-Off
By: Jane Hamsher
Yes!
***gentle reminder***
disagree with the message — DO NOT attack the messenger
doing so will result in your comments being moderated
well then indeed a moderator should do some arbitrage here.
Rahm does Saturday night standup and does not punch hippies. He did offend hippies and it was wrong.
The new Rahm is understanding and sensitive. But I would not want him on my leg.
Obviously we can’t carry on a conversation. My fault, your fault, nobody’s fault, we just can’t converse without sniping at one another. I’m done. I’ll take the better part of valor. Laters.
Well, Margaret, he is just making it up to me as an apology for his attacks on me, and your subsequent attacks on me. A kind of strange quid pro quo.
That is a joke; you both ought to laugh at that and quit taking yourselves so seriously.
Look, there is no doubting the seriousness of the issues. Seems to me the personal attacks don’t serve any of us well.
What personal attacks are you talking about? This place is nuttier than a jar of Peanut spread, for chriss;sake.
Demi, late to the thread, so if you’re still here…
Type in the title of the URL, and select it
Click on the link icon in the comment window toolbar
Fill in the URL in the dialog — if it’s long, no problem — and click OK
Then what appears in the comment is the title of the page the link goes to, and you don’t break the margins with a long link. Easy-peasy.
/Techie
I am really sorry to see so many comments degenerate into sniping at other commenters. It is why I don’t read some blogs any more. PLEASE, can’t we have differing opinions without attacking each other??
Then go away, fuckno. You’ve been disrupting threads all day. I respect your comments, although some are a bit “out there” but my patience is at an end. Give it up please.
That is an astounding claim.
And I hate to lean on a piece of tape to round out my objection to it, but have a look at this and explain how the ‘fungibility’ arguments contained in Stupak and Nelson DO NOT undermine every reproductive measure in this country, short of those with sufficient funds so that a health care procedure would be affordable without a blink…
Using ‘poor women’ as a conditioner is staggeringly disingenuous.
I came across this article by David Sirota at Global Research. It is one of the best articles and analysis I have read about these spineless Democrats and the ridiculous arguments of why one MUST Support the Democrats, which I find repulsive. Sirota points out these phony arguments in this fine article.
The Health Care Bill: What’s the Matter With the Democrats?
Liberal Groups obediently follow Orders to back the Bill
by David Sirota
Global Research, March 20, 2010
“…Ever since Thomas Frank published his book “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” Democrats have sought a political strategy to match the GOP’s. The health care bill proves they’ve found one….Whereas Frank highlighted Republicans’ sleight-of-hand success portraying millionaire tax cuts as gifts to the working class, Democrats are now preposterously selling giveaways to insurance and pharmaceutical executives as a middle-class agenda. Same formula, same fat-cat beneficiaries, same bleating sheeple herded to the slaughterhouse. The only difference is the Rube Goldberg contraption that Democrats are using to tend the flock….First, their leaders campaign on pledges to create a government insurer (a “public option”) that will compete with private health corporations. Once elected, though, Democrats propose simply subsidizing those corporations, which are (not coincidentally) filling Democratic coffers. Justifying the reversal, Democrats claim the subsidies will at least help some citizens try to afford the private insurance they’ll be forced to buy—all while insisting Congress suddenly lacks the votes for a public option…….Despite lawmakers’ refusal to hold votes verifying that assertion, liberal groups obediently follow orders to back the bill, their obsequious leaders fearing scorn from Democratic insiders and moneymen. Specifically, MoveOn, unions and “progressive” nonprofits threaten retribution against lawmakers who consider voting against the bill because it doesn’t include a public option. The threats fly even though these congresspeople would be respecting their previous public-option ultimatums—ultimatums originally supported by many of the same groups now demanding retreat…..Soon it’s on to false choices. Democrats tell their base that any bill is better than no bill, even one making things worse, and that if this particular legislation doesn’t pass, Republicans will win the upcoming election—as if signing a blank check to insurance and drug companies couldn’t seal that fate. They tell everyone else that “realistically” this is the “last chance” for reform, expecting expecting We the Sheeple to forget that those spewing the do-or-die warnings control the legislative calendar and could immediately try again…..Predictably, the fear-mongering prompts left-leaning Establishment pundits to bless the bill, giving Democratic activists concise-yet-mindless conversation-enders for why everyone should shut up and fall in line (“Krugman supports it!”). Such bumper-sticker mottoes are then demagogued by Democratic media bobbleheads and their sycophants, who dishonestly imply that the bill’s progressive opponents (1) secretly aim to aid the far right and/or (2) actually hope more Americans die for lack of health care. In the process, the legislation’s sellouts are lambasted as the exclusive fault of Republicans, not Democrats and their congressional majorities….”
The article can be read entirely @:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18222
Oh, this is freakin’ awesome.
point me to where I encroached, please.
Actually, it’s fact. The majority of private health plans offer abortion coverage. Under this bill, any that accept a penny of federal subsidies would be forced to separate that coverage into a rider, which none of them are willing to do.
Take your ERA t-shirt and wash it in hot water.
And, how, exactly would that be?
So, your assertion is that the majority of poor women actually do have health insurance today? I think that would be a surprise to them, as most of them have Medicaid, which does not provide for abortions. Need to get your facts in order before you suggest I wash my shirt.
FN, you do add a foil to the nuttiest.
First of all, you seem to be mistaken about the targeted beneficiaries of this bill — it is not “poor women,” who are already receiving Medicaid and already eligible for publicly-funded abortions in most states.
Secondly, you fail to acknowledge the nefarious phenomenon of singling out ONE PROCEDURE in a piece of landmark legislation, and pretend that it doesn’t point to a very real threat to the right and accessibility to abortion (which, by the way, is the treatment of choice for 3 out of every 10 pregnant women).
Abortion coverage is offered by most all states.
Look it up.
StuPAC’s crap is analagous to the potential adoption of gay marriage rights — and any subsequent tax-cut legislation singling out gay couples from receiving those.
.. as is the Hyde amendment, which is why I continue to be shocked and appalled that it stands. (Especially after what we’ve learned about the inimitable Henry Hyde and his philandering ways that busted up a marriage of his mistress and left four kids in a broken home. But I digress.)
Because poor women are not the only women in need of various reproductive services. And because being ‘not-poor’ should not be a disqualifier from those services.
Virtually any woman who has insurance by a company who takes one dollar of federal funding, for even a completely unrelated matter, becomes ineligible to receive reproductive services.
Ask Stupak – the ‘fungibility’ argument is built-in to his bill. He says it himself repeatedly – ‘not one dollar – not one dime.’
I know you claim a special set of circumstances, but the argument about ‘scrape together the money from family and friends’ – dude, that is cruelty. That is like throwing dollar bills at Parkinson’s patients.
Well, once again, you missed the point. The fact is, repeatedly in the threads on FDL is the lament this bill crucifies the reproductive needs of those most helpless, the poor. Fact is, as you note, it has little to do with them. That has been my primary point; those folk are left out to begin with, and to tie that fact to HCR is irrelevant. And, you are in fact wrong; elective abortions are not covered by Medicaid; see the Hyde amendment. Your three out of ten treatment choices is also nonsense. YOu might want to consult a credible source such as the Guttmacher institute.
I wonder, how many Parkinson patients do you work with? I do on a daily basis.
NOT just poor women — EVERY woman will be affected
provide a link for your ‘credible source’. until you do, it is not deemed credible
your choice of the word scrape was very poor
That is the most pathetic dodge I have seen today.
Well, what can I say, if you are not familiar with the Guttmacher Institute, than you are pretty ignorant about these matters. Sorry, this is basic information anyone commenting on these issues should know.
that is not a proper response
calling the moderator ignorant doesn’t fly — provide the link to back up your assertion as requested
Well, I will acknowledge you do have a point in my choice of language here, but it does not negate any of what I have had to say here. That said, the idiom of “scraping together” money, for whatever purpose, is a common one.
Tough audience.
context matters
When I was 6 yrs old, I watched my mother on the evening news talking about legalizing abortion, and how it should be a woman’s right. At the time, I just thought it was fun she was on the telly. As a teenager who had a booboo, I realized the real value of what she and so many others worked for and promoted. The booboo was handled at the local Planned Parenthood. It didn’t even cost us anything because we didn’t have much dough. I now have a grown daughter who needed to change her birth control method. She’s a school teacher in Lynchburg, VA..she has health ins. But….she’s broke because she’s a teacher in Lynchburg and couldn’t afford to use her ins because of deductibles, co-pays, etc. So I suggested the local PP. She couldn’t go there because they are only open two days a week for a few hours a day….while she was teaching. Unbelievable, and so very, very sad. These nutball religious, anti-abortion freaks don’t realize that when they deny funds for PP, they deny millions of women the opportunity for cheap gyno care and birth control……which stops them from getting knocked-up when they don’t want to be and then having an abortion. They are totally insane. Now, the Dems are not insane…they are simply craven, spine deficient, and desperate for a win because they couldn’t be bothered to get their shit together a yr ago and ram through a decent bill with a P.O., etc, etc. Grrrrrrrr………….
For godsakes, google Guttmacher. It is not my job to educate folk on what they ought to know before entering an informed opinion.
you are the one who brought it up
produce the link that backs up your claim
And you are sorely naive about how states get around Hyde to offer abortion coverages to low-income women.
It is the rules. You make the claim, you have to supply the linkie.
I don’t think including Chris Hedges would be such a great idea. He’s too likely to sink it by claiming that it’s doomed before it even got off the ground-just like he claims about just about everything else.
Not really the rules, but it is what stand-up participants do.
Your three out of ten treatment choices is also nonsense. YOu might want to consult a credible source such as the Guttmacher institute.
Pick any source you’d like. Every year, roughly 5 million women give birth and 1.5 million abort. Must I teach you math?
Well, Frank, I didn’t know the rules. Seems to me that fundamental sources of relevant information would be known to anyone who wanted to post an informed position. Well, I consider myself now informed, and I will do the homework. Laugh out loud if you wish, but I actually don’t know how to do that; i.e., post the link. I am sure my fourteen year-old daughter will roll her eyes and show me how to do so.
Well, as Frank has taught me, you make the claim, you make the link. So, your source would be?
you have yet to provide your link backing up your claim
Excellent.
Tell us aardvark, how the Guttmacher institute relates. Show your work. Please.
It is easy. There are a couple ways. Simplest is just copy and paste the url on its own separate line. Such as
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/20/degette-agrees-to-executive-order-language-on-behalf-of-pro-choice-community/#Respond
This is not a dig. Are you sure you are not confusing the number of spontaneous abortions versus elective abortions? I am a sex educator, therapist and researcher, and the texts I have vary between 20 and 70 percent of conceived are spontaneously aborted; no where do I see information that three in ten are electively aborted.
Well, the Guttmacher institue is pretty much regarded as the best source of data on these issues.
Uh, no. Spontaneous abortions account for a jaw-dropping 60+ percent of ALL zygotes/embryos/fetuses, so I have to ask if you teach sex ed to preschoolers. That’s not a dig.
Do you not know the birth rates and abortion rates? Seriously?
Yes, I will apply for the newsletter right away.
In the mean time, perhaps you can distill and resolve the fungibility argument from the institute.
OK, thanks and I will learn. Frustrates the hell out of my daughter to watch how slow I text.
Okay, let’s go to your own Guttmacher (whom I like very much, btw).
More than one-third of all women will have aborted by age 45.
Does that make a difference to you?
It is not a fringe activity.
Do you think today’s generation will have the hand version of our carpal tunnel? I do!!
And, per Frank, your links would be? I would settle for references from the professional literature. Incidentally, if you average out what I said my texts say, they pretty much come up with your figure. Now, if you want to send any more insults, that’s fine; you actually have any credentials, or are you just winging it?
i’m still waiting for yours aardvark
i have been asking for 30 minutes or so which is plenty of time to provide it
since you are not backing up your claim, i will assume they are false
google “html” to get info on a few simple “tags” that make the HTML (hotmetal) code active. The FDL Magical HTML machine is able to interpret some of them and turn it into cool stuff.
The HTML language is simple, with the “Code” embedded in the text. Sort of how Bushie neo-con moles are embedded in the government.
I’m not Frank, and I’m not going to mine Google for cites that I believe are universally accepted by both lifers and choicers. Depending on economic conditions, anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of pregnant women abort in any given year — and as my Guttmacher cite suggests, more than 1/3 of all women will abort in their lifetimes.
This is in perfect concert with the social phenomenon of women lying about aborting, or at very least keeping it secret, because of the stigma. But it’s a very popular procedure. Add to that its SUPREME-COURT CODIFIED legality, and you have an even more head-scratchingly legitimate question as to how Hyde and Stupak get away with their crap.
Boggles me!! It doesn’t come up in conversation frequently, but when it does, I’ve found that atleast 50% of women have had an abortion…if not more. These are educated women, make good money, alot of them have children.
Without doubt.
I would really like to insert–oops, wrong word–something here without getting a bunch of crap. My wife, who by all measures, was a lovely woman. We had only been married a year or so when we were attending an annual meeting of the Society for the Scientific Study of Sex. A group of us were walking down a main street in Toronto searching for some restaurant, when she and Ed Belzer,(original g-spot researcher) whom she had met only ten or so minutes before, engaged in this conversation as to whether it was best to use the dominant hand or the non-dominant hand to masturbate with. Ed allowed as how, his preference was the off-hand, as it allowed him to imagine it was someone else’s hand.
Leftcoaster, speaks to your issue of carpal tunnel.
My kids are 17,14 and 12. They do live in a different world than you and I did at their age. The live in a world of sexual equality–my daughter has not made less than an A in five years, and has an A in ninth grade algebra even though she is an eighth grader–and is not apologetic to anyone for her grades. She is not for lack of self-confidence nor assertiveness.
As you correctly point out, at least 30% of women will have an abortion at some point. 61% of those who have an abortion already have at least one child at home (go to http://www.guttmacher.org for more abortion statistics).
Unfortunately, the dialogue on abortion dichotomizes women into good and bad, virtuous and irresponsible. Rather than attending to the reality that birth control fails sometimes, that not everyone is in a situation where they have the option to use birth control, and that due to incredibly poor access to health care for poor and middle class women not everyone can afford to get highly effective contraceptive methods, people split all women into 2 categories. They are either good women who are victims of rape or incest, or who use contraceptives perfectly (and never are in the 1-3% of women who become pregnant in a year even though they have used their method perfectly), or they are irresponsible, undisciplined women who sleep with anyone around and don’t protect themselves.
The truth is that there is a lot in between these two scenarios. In terms of rape, although many agree that a rape or incest provision is appropriate, rape is a hard thing to prove; the majority of rapes go unreported. The minuscule number of abortions that have ever been paid for by the federal government shows that this provision is not very effective in helping the most vulnerable women avoid 9 months of daily reminders of what happened to them.
In terms of contraception, there are many contraceptive failures. Although some of the most hard core fundamentalists among us would argue that nobody should ever have sex unless they want to get pregnant at that time, the vast majority of Americans do accept family planning methods and agree that women should have the option to decide when they get pregnant. Women who do not use contraception perfectly often have other things that get in the way, like the cost of their method or side effects they can’t tolerate. Some women are in coercive situations, where either because of their culture or because of an abusive relationship they do not have the option to use contraceptive methods or to decide when they will have sex.
Putting aside those situations, we also have situations where the life or health of the woman is in danger. Most anti-abortion measures do allow for abortion to be paid for if the life of the woman is in danger, but many (including the Stupak amendment) do not have a provision for a woman’s health. I’m a physician, and I’m not omniscient. I don’t know who will die from a pregnancy-related condition or who will suffer irreparable harm, such as brain damage, severe heart problems, seizures, or blood clots. Such a provision, therefore, not only depends on the opinion of the physician (who may be anti-abortion and therefore may interpret the situation as he pleases), but also on the severity of her disease. Is it really tolerable for a woman to go blind from a pregnancy, as long as she won’t die? Do we really value an unborn embryo or fetus over the woman that much? How will that woman care for the child if she continues the pregnancy? Is it fair to subject a woman to that against her will?
Another situation that rarely gets an exception to the ban on funding (including in the Stupak amendment) is the case of severe fetal anomalies. I have a patient who, at 18 weeks, found out that her baby was missing most of its brain. She underwent a termination at 21 weeks. Had she not had coverage for the procedure by her insurance, she would have had to either come up with $10,000 or wait either until she went into labor on her own, at which point she would have had to push out a fetus that would likely never take a breath, or at best would live a few minutes to hours, or wait until the fetus died inside her, at which point she also would have had to either undergo a more complicated procedure than that she underwent at 21 weeks or push out a dead fetus. So the scenarios is either come up with $10,000 and go through a difficult emotional experience, or spend weeks to months dealing with the symptoms of pregnancy, knowing that the fetus will never be your child, will never grow up, will never even have more than a few hours of life in this world. I call that cruel and unusual punishment.
I encourage everyone to ask around. They will find that many of their loved ones have had an abortion, and for a variety of reasons. I appreciate Jane’s efforts to bring these issues to light. Unfortunately, most people in this country do not see abortion for what it truly is: as much a part of women’s lives as is carrying a pregnancy to term.
book marked for future use. that is so much better than anything i’ve ever come up with. and from an authoritative source to boot. thanks lurk.
that’s a great one too. i was just recently wondering how best to respond to linkless / evidence free assertions. all i did was get pissed off. not very constructive. but you and lurk have nailed it for me. thanks suz.
deep bow to the wise ones, suz and lurk.
Brilliant, NYC. You are one of the few that seems to fully understand the depth and breadth of reproductive choice. Thank you for articulating all of the scenarios so well. It is because a woman could be involved in any one of these at different times in her life that access to all remedies must be included in health care for women.