Congressional Democrats seem extremely pleased with themselves over how they fiddled with the design of an excise tax on employer-provided insurance that will not kick in for eight years (and then grow faster after another two years) to make it look like it will bring in a huge amount of money in the years 2020 through 2029. Given the incredibly stupid design of the excise tax to begin with, no one who understands politics should doubt for a second that this tax will ever go into effect as planned, or bring in this huge amount of revenue.
Let us leave the huge caveat that many think the inherent assumptions made by the CBO about the savings from the excise tax are very dubious. The claim from the CBO is that every dollar in reduced insurance benefits will result in exactly one dollar in increased in salary. I’m going to just focus on the many future political problems with the excise tax.
To make it look like the excise tax will bring in a huge amount of money, they have indexed the tax to only the consumer price index instead of the CPI plus 1%. This is far below health care inflation even in countries with very slow rates of increase in health care cost. What this means is, each year, the excise tax will likely hit more and more people until it gets to a point where even very basic insurance packages would run afoul of the excise tax. Also, the subsidies that those on the exchange get will get smaller and smaller. From the CBO report:
Relative to H.R. 3590, the reconciliation proposal would make a number of changes that would affect its longer-term impact on the budget. In particular, it would increase the subsidies offered in the new insurance exchanges and would reduce the impact of an excise tax on health insurance plans with premiums above certain thresholds. An important component of the longer-term analysis is that, beginning in 2019, the reconciliation proposal would change the annual indexing provisions so that the premium subsidies offered through the exchanges would grow more slowly; over time, the
spending on exchange subsidies would therefore fall back toward the level under H.R. 3590 by itself. Another key component of the longer-term analysis is that, beginning in 2020, the reconciliation proposal would index the thresholds for the high-premium excise tax to the rate of general inflation rather than to inflation plus one percentage point.
These “savings” from these changes are nothing more than accounting sleight of hand–the issue of dealing with these changes is simply kicked down the road by ten years.
If the excise tax were only a cap on the amount of insurance benefits that are tax deductible, this might (and that is a huge might) possibly work out. People would just be paying more and more taxes on the health benefits package from their employer each year, but the quality of the packages could stay the same. Of course, even that would probably cause a political uproar, resulting in the tax continuously being “fixed,” just like the AMT.
The problem is that the excise tax is a flat tax of 40% on the value of the entire insurance package. It is not even a set cap on the value the employer pays for. This 40% rate is higher than many Americans marginal tax rate. This means that it simply does not make sense for an employer to ever offer employees the choice of an insurance package that costs more than the new excise tax limit. This would make it effectively impossible for many people with employer-provided coverage to buy a quality insurance package, even if they were willing to pay more in premiums with post tax dollars. If you actually wanted a tax to remain intact for the next twenty years, this is not how you would design it.
The excise tax’s design was foolish in the first place, and, in some ways, it has only gotten worse with this reconciliation package. Of course, the tax does not kick in for 8 years, so it is some future Congress’s and future President’s problem. Nothing says fiscal responsibility more than dumping a huge political mess on your successors.
There is simply no way to believe, given its ill convinced design, that this will not be heavily modified or scrapped in the future. Democrats might be proud of their “math-magical” CBO score showing huge deficit reductions in the next twenty years, but I don’t think anyone should boast about illusions that will never come true. This second decade projections are based on the false assumption that a poorly thought-out, huge, new tax will remain completely unchanged for the next two decades. The changes might be needed for process reasons, but Democrats should not proudly brag like they will actually happen.
This is the equivalent of a president saying they have a twelve-year plan to end the budget deficit. He can just propose a bill now that says taxes will remain the same for the whole eight years of his presidency, followed by everyone’s taxes jumping to an 92% tax rate the year after the president leaves office.



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Half of the CBO estimated reduction in deficits over the 10 yr period comes from the penalties imposed consequent to the mandate. 69 billion in penalties toward 138 billion in deficit reduction.
Wow. Appears to be absolutely true.
Barack Obama has now done more to kill off the liberal wing of the Democratic party than any Republican could dare dream of.
Great piece, Jon. How anyone can take CBO forecasts seriously is beyond me. BTW, what were the CBO forecasts on Bush’s Medicare reform bill? How did those work out?
CBO forecasts make no sense and managing the Federal Budget based on whether items in it increase or lower the deficit are equally misconceived. To place constraints on Federal action by using a deficit neutrality criterion makes no economic sense. It’s appropriate for nations on the gold standard, or nations who have debts in currencies other than their own. It is ridiculous for the United States to do that and is another mark of the deeper profound incompetence of this superficially competent administration.
Intelligence and credentials alone can’t make one competent. You also have to have ideas that work. Very few of this Administration’s ideas do.
Shades of Bush/Cheney when reality was something manufactured: the war will pay for itself.
Blowing the MMT dogwhistle I see. Carry on :o)
We’ll eventually get Medicare for All only after Republicans figure out they can splinter the Democratic Party by playing the Nixon Goes to Taiwan card.
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/health-care-abroad-taiwan/
To that end, I suppose its good news a Republican Congressman, Jerry Moran of Kansas, has signed up to cosponsor Grayson’s Medicare buy-in bill.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/18/211422/825
Yeah, that’s crazy. I can see that factoid showing up in Republican political ads.
So the plan is to pay for universal healthcare by taxing people without healthcare. So if everyone had healthcare, there’d be a budgetary shortfall because there’d be no one to tax. And yet if nobody had healthcare, the government would raise untold billions in tax revenue with nothing to spend it on.
Has anyone on the Hill thought through how stupid this will sound in the TV ads?
:-)
thanks for that dkos link. ill forward the information to my republican congresscritters.
You’re welcome. You could also forward retiring AZ Congressman John Shadegg’s recent comment,
Shadegg blasted the for-profit health insurance industry during an appearance on MSNBC today, finally declaring, “I would support single payer.”
He quickly clarified his comment, saying he would simply like to see health insurance companies have more competition.
“I would support forcing American healthcare companies to compete right,” he said “Now they have a monopoly.”
He was probably being disingenuous, but strangers things have happened. In 1970, when Ted Kennedy first introduced a National Health Insurance bill, his two cosponsors were Republican Senators John Sherman Cooper (KY) and William Saxbe (OH).
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NfEwAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fOAFAAAAIBAJ&dq=william-saxbe%20health-insurance&pg=940%2C3016239
in 1970 the republican party actually had sane, responsible, conservative people in it.
i’ll keep shadegg in mind, but the ‘competition’ that most republicans want to see is a ‘level playing field’ — by which they really mean ‘don’t let govt use any of its advantages when competing with the private markets’.
This is true. The big problem with both parties, of course, is the logistical difficulty of turning their backs on long-time financial patrons. I think Larry Lessig is right, its unlikely anything can be reformed until campaign financing is reformed.
http://www.fixcongressfirst.org/
The only way the GOP would pivot on single payer, realistically, is if the party’ conservative base– the religous right, defense hawks and corporate plutocrats– decides that their own political interests would be advanced if they kick the health insurers out of the sled.
I guess that would depend on if the public reaction to an (enacted) HCR law settles into a view that Obama gave away taxpayer money to his political allies in the health insurance industry. That would frame the competition as not between government and private markets, but rather taxpayer versus liberal special interest group. Heh, all those veal pen endorsements of the insurance bailout bill may yet serve a useful purpose some day. :o)
The Congressman Moran endorsing Grayson’s bill is not Jerry Moran, R, KS-1, but rather Thomas Moran, D, VA-8. The DKos diarist acknowledged the error.
I think Jane needs to repost EW’s post that addresses how Romney care is not affordable to the average person in MA. People may have healthcare in MA, but they cannot afford to use it. What a great benefit for the insurance co.’s…
My brother has many patients he does not get to see because they cannot afford their basic medical care in MA.
He’s killing off the whole party, not just the liberal wing. Time to start over from square one.
Welcome to the Lake.
He might as well be a Republican mole. After all he’s to the right of Nixon. What does that say?
The excise taxes don’t kick in until 2014. That allows this POS to be fixed in 2011, 2012, 2013, and even in 2014.
Am I to guess that that other $69 billion over 10 years comes from eliminating indirect student loans?
My guess is that the bill will pass. Instead of spending bytes of bandwidth and time and energy saying “Oh noes”, we need to start putting to together the list of items that need to be changed in the bill in 2011. And a separate list of standlone initiatives, like the Grayson bill, to put forward.
And flog them loudly and persistently between now and November, asking primary candidates and candidates in the general election where they stand on these issues. Because primary candidates and challengers are already running on supporting the current bill, now that they sense it will pass.
BTW, CBO models being what they are, no doubt there are some mythical costs in the Reconciliation Package’s $940 billion price tag. It also helps to divide these numbers by 10; then, they look less scary. The price tag is actually an average of $94 billion per fiscal year, one-sixth of the DoD budget. And those estimated penalties are actual $69 billion divided by the number of years they are collected, which I believe is 12; roughly $5.75 billion a year. You also need to examine whether that is just from individuals or from individuals and businesses. I haven’t done this analysis, just warning about jumping to scary conclusions.
Vote for it dems, you own it.
November.
Maybe when the excise tax kicks-in big in ten years is when they expect to begin phasing out private insurers and employers plans. But why wait so long.
Your “flogging” will amount to the proverbial fart in a windstorm compared to the six lobbyists and unlimited spending per congress lacky the real players have. If real reform can’t happen now, guess what, it won’t tomorrow. Besides what are you going to flog them with, your record of hardcore commitment to your word?
Obama will not win in 2012 without the left.
He has spat in our faces and kicked us in the knees.
He will be one and done in 2012.
From the comments here lately, it seems that this bill is the last bill ever and cast in stone.
This entire process has been a shady, sleight of hand, arm twisting, bribing sham since it’s inception. Why stop at the CBO, they will stop at nothing.
“When Barack Obama tries to convince you to accept a government takeover of the health-care industry, he is making a promise he won’t be around to keep. ObamaCare’s job-killing taxes are front-loaded, but in order to fool the Congressional Budget Office into giving it a respectable deficit score, its benefits are delayed for years. Even if Obama wins re-election, he would complete his second term long before the program was completely phased in… and no external authority exists to compel either Obama, or his successors, to honor the promises he’s been making. . . . It would be a horrible mistake to accept a deal with the creators of history’s most staggering natonal debt, based on assurances they will place your interests ahead of theirs, for decades to come. As Darth Vader memorably explained to Lando Calrissian, the State can always alter the terms of the deal, and your only recourse will be praying they don’t alter it any further.”
http://www.doczero.org/2010/03/the-terms-of-the-deal/
excise tax will be delayed until 2018
Who will be in control of Congress to ‘fix’ the bill? Not the Democrats.
Oh, wait, I know — when they discover this provision doesn’t work, they’ll pass that tax [like in the House bill] on the rich guys to pay for it!!!
I guess they’ll add it to the list of things they’ll “fix” in the future — with the huge Democratic majorities they’re gonna have after November. /snark
Jeeze, Jon, your work is so good. Why don’t the congressional critters — or the folks in the press that are supposedly “covering” this [Rachel Maddow, I'm looking at you in particular] — do this work, or at least read yours?
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post ready: New Health Care Whip Count: 193 Yes, 208 No (with leaners 203-211)
Cast in sand. Any thing “good” will be eroded as soon as the administration no longer has use for it. And no it is not the last bill it is just the latest in a longline of bullshit bills.
You were right to focus on the excise tax… but I have to say something about that “saving” in premiums being passed on to workers in their paychecks.
Won’t happen.
In fact, where I work, if support staff leave or die, they are not replaced, as cost-savings measure. Their work is simply divided up among those remaining.
Perhaps higher-level employees might see that savings in their pay, but those of us who really need it will not see it passed on to us.
“The claim from the CBO is that every dollar in reduced insurance benefits will result in exactly one dollar in increased in salary.”
This comes from Jonathan Gruber:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/09/gruber-caveats-the-excise-tax-raise-claim/
Keep in mind Gruber works for the CBO:
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=233
Yes, it is completely slimy for Gruber to be on the Executive Branch payroll and also work on scoring with the CBO. It is also totally unsurprising that that was used to score the bill because the fingerprints for it can most likely be traced to Gruber. The bill is being scored the way the White House wants it scored. The CBO should have disclosed this as well as disclosing whose payrolls the others who took part in scoring are on.
Thank you Mauimom. They fear losing access but fortunately most of the important info is right there in the public record.
Orzag was in like flint in the HCR design. Thanks so much, Jon. As depressing as it is that they plan these heists (must think we are stoooopid), it’s good to know the truth.
No new taxes on the middle class, eh?
If they read Jon’s work, their heads might ‘splode.
The illusion that there is huge difference between the current Dems and Republicans is what makes every thing about the current congress Hazy.
We talk like this is the Democratic Party of FDR, LBJ, JFK. etc. it is not.
The base of the DEM Party still considers itself followers of FDR, LBJ, JFK.
The Dems in congress consider themselves followers of Ronald Reagan.
It is up to the base to elect congress people that follow FDR, LBJ, JFk, etc. and they are out there.
The current Dems in congress are just great liars and actors.
Obama is a super ACTOR.
Obama is for more war
Obama is against the public option
Obama is against a woman right to choose
Obama is for the individual mandate.
However, when you hear him speak, he talks like a progressive.
The Progressive Base has been lied to, not beaten.
The MSM tries to say thing like Fire Dog Lake, Bold Progressives are fringe groups, knowing they are the majority, because the Public Option was supported by 85% of real Dems.
Saying you are not going to vote for the current Dems in congress is great, because they are more republican than democrats.
Progressives need to only vote for progressive candidate that follow FDR, LBJ, JFK, etc.
…and now there is http://www.maplight.org – that will be a very helpful site….
We’re fucked if this passes, and my guess it will do so with flying colors.
OT:
“McCain and Lieberman’s “Enemy Belligerent” Act Could Set U.S. on Path to Military Dictatorship
The Act begins with the following (convoluted) requirement:
“Whenever within the United States, its territories, and possessions, or outside the territorial limits of the United States, an individual is captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism, or by other means in violation of the laws of war, or of purposely and materially supporting such hostilities, and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent, the individual shall be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status in accordance with the provisions of this Act.”
http://www.alternet.org/rights/146081/mccain_and_lieberman%27s_%22enemy_belligerent%22_act_could_set_u.s._on_path_to_military_dictatorship
“Something’s happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear . . . .”
Frightening. If we keep calling and e-mailing, i get the feeling that eventually they will not hear us–we will be white noise to them. And yet I know we have to, and I would love to see some real organizers get a million person march going.
The Supremes endorsed the corporate spending that will be the coup de grace.
FDL is disdainful of marches.
Yeah, but in those days Republicans still had the power of reason. Nowadays, they wouldn’t recognize an idea if they met one on the street–its all dogma and only dogma.
That’s not true. The Lake has, to my knowledge, not said anything either way about demonstrations. Individual commenters yes, the Lake no.
Kill the bill, because while it’s effects will not be felt for some years to come, the effect of having passed it will embolden the Obama Administration to enshrine a two tier economic system and to protect it by repressive force if necessary.
You’re right, however no Lake driven frontpage of such organization has been opened to a discussion, – none at least that I remember
Don’t put money down on that yet.
Only if we let it be. I think some folks wanted to go on vacation after November 2008 and got a wake-up call in June 2009.
Great excuse to be totally disengaged.
Failure to pass this bill at this point will set liberal politics back a good 10 years if not more. But sure why not as long as you guys can make your point, that this bill is not what you would do if you were in charge. Well you’re not in charge, if you really want to be, then run for office, get elected, and move to Washington. Until then be happy to get anything at all, it could be far far worse. The more you bitch about Obama, the more likely you are to see President Palin in 2012. That’ll give you something to bitch about I guess.
“Until then be happy to get anything at all, it could be far far worse.”
Take your limp-spined defeatist partisanship back to wherever your like minded saps congregate.
Not disengaged… properly engaged.
I’ll be laughing at these sellouts and suckers and their idiotic party.
I guess that’s disengaged.
Since when did fascism become part of liberal politics?
Thanks for the info about the real Moran. I shall update my files. :o)
This is the definition of “Bending the Cost Curve”. For employers.
It appears to me the opinion here is passing the bill will destroy liberal politics for many years.
Edward Kennedy’s Senate Seat then was a stunning win for Obama, and an indication that the current Health Bill is very popular, correct?
The only private markets I’m aware of are those of the illegal drug trades, human trafficking, and arms sales. I think all other businesses are subsidized through business tax breaks and loopholes, tax incentives, lack of tariff, or at minimum, start up costs. I suppose I should also include public financing of education, wage subsidies (food stamps, unemployment insurance,health care; even if only emergent).
But don’t you see, that’s the point, we’re not “getting anything”. The 30-some million uninsured everyone talks about won’t get “healthcare”, they’ll get the opportunity to buy crappy insurance that they can’t afford to use, while the rest of us continue to face soaring premiums and fewer benefits.
That “repressive force” may be a little difficult these days. I understand that gun sales in the past year have been over the top.
The 2nd amendment folks… will they turn out to be our allies? Please, no!
And not just November, but the upcoming primary season, too. Some will feel some heat a bit sooner.
noted. and also you caught me before i had the chance to contact my rep. thanks.
The *single* purpose of tweaking the parameters to get this number out of the CBO was to make it *legal* for them to pass the new bill under reconciliation rules. Obviously, they devised all these tricks to deflate the number to make that possible. That’s really the only thing worth noting about this estimate.