Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin holds down a tough seat for pro-choice Democrats. She’s in an R+9 district, and that’s a tough thing to do for a pro-choice woman.
But the Democratic establishment are now out to torpedo any woman who sticks up for choice. Steve Hildebrand — Obama’s Deputy Campaign Manager, who called up rich donors and told them to cut off 527s during the campaign — is threatening to primary her if she defends a womans’ right to choose from Ben Nelson’s assault:
Hildebrand, deputy national campaign manager for Obama’s presidential campaign, told CNN in an exclusive interview that he has been frustrated with Herseth Sandlin’s voting record for some time, especially her decision to oppose the House health care reform bill in November. The House is expected to vote again on the issue later this week and a Herseth Sandlin spokesperson has said she plans to vote no again.
“I want to see how she votes on health care,” Hildebrand said. “If the vote is very, very close and we lose it or come close to losing it, I will take a seriously look at challenging her.”
“She is on the wrong side of history,” he added.
Let’s just be very clear about what’s happening here. There were forty-one members of Congress who signed Diana DeGette’s letter saying “We will not vote for a conference report that contains language that restricts women’s right to choose any further than current law.”
And now, if any of these women wants to keep that pledge to defend choice, Obama’s deputy campaign manager — the guy that controls the cash — is threatening to run them out of office for doing so.
You’re not allowed to stand up for choice in the Democratic party any more.
For years we’ve been told that we have to allow anti-choice Blue Dogs into the party, because that’s how we get our fabulous Democratic majority that will protect choice. And we have to let them be corporate whores, because otherwise the Republicans are in charge, and you know how they feel about abortion. But as we stand here on the precipice of watching the Democrats deal the biggest blow to abortion rights since the passage of the Hyde amendment, let’s just remember what the language in the Senate bill actually does:
- Allows states to opt out of allowing plans to cover abortion in the insurance exchanges, a clear violation of Roe v. Wade. Since some state medicaid programs cover abortion as long as it is paid for with state money, the Hyde amendment (current law) obviously does allow insurance to cover abortion as long as it is paid through a separate non-federal funds.
- Prohibits insurance companies by law from taking into account cost savings when estimating the costs of abortion care, which raises premiums, thus limiting access
- It includes “conscience clause” language that protects both individuals and entities that refuse to provide, pay for, provide coverage for, or refer for abortion.
If a pro-choice member of Congress wants to keep their promise and oppose these brutal setbacks to a woman’s right to choose, which actually tee up a challenge to Roe v. Wade, the President’s Deputy Campaign Manager is openly threatening not only her fundraising but also her seat.
Last week, Diana Degette tried to pretend that the Senate bill doesn’t do exactly what it does:
“The good news is the Senate bill will allow people to purchase insurance policies with their own money that will cover full reproductive rights,” said Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette, a lead negotiator for abortion-rights backers in the House. “That’s current law. It also honors our compromise that we made in the House that we’re not going to have federal funds to pay for abortion. So it honors that compromise.”
Bullshit. It allows states to opt out.
So far DeGette has refused to release the names of the 41 members of Congress who have signed her letter. That’s bullshit, too. She need to release those names, or she shoudn’t have one more dime of pro-choice money. Ever.
I was at a big event with pro-choice donors in New York last week. Many pro-choice representatives — Betsy Markey, Ann Kirkpatrick, Gabby Giffords, Carolyn Maloney — were on hand to shake them down for cash for supporting choice.
If these members are abandoning choice now, when it counts, they should never get another dime.
We want to run online ads in Diana Degette’s district telling her to release the letter. And to stand up for what she says she believes in:
We’re also running robocalls to likely 2010 pro-choice voters in her district, letting them know that DeGette won’t take a stand. Because all of the signatories are taking their lead from her.
If Diana DeGette didn’t want to lead on choice, she shouldn’t have stepped up. To be an apologist now for the administration by papering over what they’re trying to do is just wrong.
If Obama wants to run a campaign within the Democratic party against a woman’s right to choose, let’s do it in public. Let’s know where everyone stands.
Contact Colorado media and tell them to ask DeGette to release the letter.
Sign the petition, and donate to run online ads in DeGette’s district – stand up for a woman’s right to choose as part of the Democratic party platform. If this bill goes through without a fight from the pro-choice community, that’s it. Turn out the lights. It’s all over.



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If a woman’s right to choose couldn’t be salvaged in this push for a “win” on healthcare reform, then at the least, there should have been some equalizing factor in the bill like, say…prohibiting coverage of vasectomies (the vasectomy.com Web site says “Vasectomy costs are usually affordable and often covered under health insurance plans”). Even Viagra is covered in some insurance plans, yet simple contraception isn’t offered by others. How can the bill mandate women to buy coverage that doesn’t cover the full range of their reproductive health? Without these equalization measures, it seems as if women and their families are unfairly targeted and prohibited from receiving the full breadth and depth of reproductive health care as men currently enjoy. And, ultimately, this seems like a very Republican view of reproductive health. Certainly not something I would have expected from a Democratic president with a democratic majority in Congress.
I take issue with the concept that Barack Obama agrees with the principles of the Democratic Party. I believe he, like the other Blue Dogs, ran with a (D) after his name because he would never survive a Republican primary.
What the hell happened that FDL is now the only political site that hasn’t completely lost their minds?
We already know where Obama stands on reproductive freedom. He’s all for it… as long as it doesn’t cost him anything. But if it takes coathangers to score him his “win”, poor pregnant women can go under the bus with the gays, the teachers, the unions…
It’s getting awfully fucking crowded down here.
Hoyer’s making noises about some wacky manuever that allows the house to pass the senate bill with the reconciliation changes without the house actually voting.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/HealthCare/health-care-battle-protestors-descend-capitol-hill/story?id=10114987
Those bastards. I have always abhored the big anti-women tent Democrats keep telling us we need to pitch. When Obama selected Tim Kaine as his DNC Chair I knew we were headed for trouble, but this is just disgusting. And THIS: “It includes “conscience clause” language that protects both individuals and entities that refuse to provide, pay for, provide coverage for, or refer for abortion.” I had no idea this language was in the Senate bill. Speaking of which did Obama ever rescind Bush’s conscience clause?
It’s so nice to see a progressive blogger with balls! Even if that blogger happens to be a woman.
HAMSHER:
Can supposed activist groups focused on ‘choice’ such as NARAL etc be forced to take a public position, for the record, on the health care bill being considered THIS WEEK?
Before any final vote?
In terms of getting it on the record who is backing the bill, and who isn’t, in particular with respect to abortion-rights activist groups on the national stage, NOW is the time for NARAL et al to go public. They can’t be allowed to be sideline observers right now.
If they back the bill, they can be held accountable as an organization. If they don’t back the bill, then they might positively influence the outcome of this week’s activity in the Congress, which is supposed to be their mission.
Jane, I don’t normally bless people or invoke the G word, but God bless ya for continuing to stick your neck out there to tell the truth. The invective being hurled at you outside of FDL (at least from the peanut gallery) is astonishing. I imagine if you start to threaten the vote count, it’s going to get worse.
If they insist on doing this, I’m going to change my registration – to Socialist, maybe – because I don’t want to belong to any party that throws half its members under the bus to try to get one vote from the opposition party.
Conserv-a-dems and Repuglicans are always pro-life until the actual baby is born to mother’s for whom they restrict proper education on contraceptives and family planning. Abstinence only dontcha know! You betcha! Worked so well for the Queen Chillbilly!
Then its ‘get off our welfare rolls you licivious trolls!’ ‘Get a job and get off food stamps!’ But of course there won’t be a single dime available to subsidize or assist with child care while the mother is in fact working.
The hypocrisy is so deep I cannot see how these idiots do not suffocate under the weight of such positions.
Good luck with that one. They’re in business to collect donations; the national organization has already demonstrated they don’t care about the issues beyond that.
“I will take a seriously look at challenging her.” that says it all right there. Power hungry right-to-rule freak.
It is not about abortion. It is about sex. nasty, dirty, sex. If you have sex you deserve to get preggers.
PJ, I already tried to do that and discovered that in my state we don’t register by party. Damn. I didn’t have the satisfaction of changing and giving them one less person to take for granted.
This place is like an oasis. Was just over at Kos, one of the recced diaries is now calling out Hamsher, Kucinich, etc for being racist and classist. It’s so unrewarding trying to reason and argue with them.
Oh yeah and then they also bitch about how much it costs in medicaid for all these poverty class mothers! One of the biggest Repugnican excuses to oppose HCR was ‘ooohh waaaaah wee caaannntt affooord it’
Why arent they pro-abortion for fucks sake? They sure as hell don’t wanna help out with any little poor white redneck or little brown people!!!
My point is that this is a great, great time to, in the aftermath of whatever happens this week, include the disposition of NARAL and related organizations in the debate on the Democratic Party and reproductive rights. The Party is allowing a bill to pass that will be a challenge to Roe v. Wade and NARAL needs to get on the record BEFORE the vote and describe how it is that they are pressuring lawmakers to stand the line on reproductive rights.
And what is NARAL doing on face book right this moment?
They are copying and pasting politico articles… with no comment, no outrage, no expressed intent to act or call for action.
The NARAL looking glass is making me nauseous.
We need a “none of the above” box to check on all ballots.
I happen to like nasty dirty sex. Errrrooww! How about you? LOL
I really wouldn’t bother with “Daily Kos” if I were you, that web site has been the biggest waste of time on the political internet for years. Put it up there with “I can haz cheezeburger” or whatever the funny cat picture site is called.
Awesome work Jane. Thank you.
mmmmmmmm.
Is there any information that details what they are doing in person by phone and in Washington, DC to affect the outcome of the legislation? Is there any information that leads us to conclude they are doing something besides putting up a few little Facebook posts pointing to other political reporting web sites?
Damn youre tempting me to get a facebook page. D’oh!
Yay!
I am pro-choice. I have been a part of the fights here in South Dakota to make sure that women have a right to choice. Rep Herseth Sandlin has made statements on a number of issues which cause me to doubt her integrity on a number of these issues. There is a growing number of Democrats in this state that are wondering what the hell is going on with her positions. If this was the reason she voted against the House bill in the first place, then why did we hear a mumbled statement of we “should just trust” her reasons for voting against it. It is getting to the point that I can’t tell the difference between Rep Herseth Sandlin (Blue Dog) and Sen Thune (Corporate lap dog). If there were a Democratic primary, I think there would be a surprisingly large number voting for her opponent. There is a growing number of Democrats who are increasingly angry with Herseth Sandlin because she does not stand for anything.
Check it out: NARAL hasn’t even endorsed DK yet for 2010. From their elections page …
http://www.prochoiceamerica.org | Elections
Elections
2010 Elections
NARAL Pro-Choice America PAC has made a number of endorsements in 2010 races:
Senate
State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias (IL)
Rep. Paul Hodes (NH)
Rep. Kendrick Meek (FL)
Sen. Russ Feingold (WI)
House
Rep. Rick Boucher (VA-9)
State Sen. Ted Deutch (FL-19)
Rep. Martin Heinrich (NM-01)
Ann McLane Kuster (NH-02)
Rep. Betsy Markey (CO-04)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (PA-8)
Rep. Scott Murphy (NY-20)
Rep. Mark Schauer (MI-07)
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DK is a poster child for the conscientious pro-life voter, from his own site:
Litmus test on Roe, but as part of a culture of life. (Apr 2007)
Women’s right-to-choose is essential to gender equality. (Nov 2006)
Abortions should always be legal. (Jan 2004)
Shifted to pro-choice when women’s health became at risk. (Dec 2003)
All men & women have right to make difficult moral decisions. (Aug 2003)
Supreme Court nominees must agree to uphold Roe v. Wade. (Apr 2003)
Women can’t be free unless they have the right to choose. (Apr 2003)
Prevention, education, & health care, to minimize abortions. (Apr 2003)
Life begins at conception. (Jul 1996)
I hit and run on fb, but none that I have seen there or anywhere else.
They don’t seem to oppose the bill at all.
NARAL=bottomless pit of stupid.
Well… to be fair…Kucinich has not always been a pro choice fellow. He says he is now… and I am inclined to believe him more than most.
Their FB page indicates that they “oppose the language” in the bill, and don’t like it, but there does not appear to be a big public stand on the issue.
More accurately known as “Daily Little Prick.”
See above excerpt in my last post from his web site. He’s a poster child for people who have either got a personal pro-life perspective or for politicians with a constituency “conservative” on the issue who balances his personal beliefs with social and economic justice realities.
Another poster here put it best, I think: “The Orange Satan”. I just love that! Love it love it love it!
Stunning.
So when do we start hitting the phones, faxes and local offices for a NO vote? It’s now apparent that anti-choice provisions are gonna be in whatever piece of shit comes out of the slime pit.
Absolutely unacceptable. No ifs, ands or buts. Fuck Obama and his administration.
Meek’s another fuckin’ neoliberal.
Read this if you want to know what’s in the Senate bill in regard’s to women’s right to choose. It ought to upset you if you are pro-choice.
Obama was built and develop by the Corporate elite to hamper the growth of the Progressive Movement. After Bush, the Corporate elite knew there would be big trouble trying to maintain the status quo.
Obama stands for the following:
BO = Barack Obama
BO is not for the Public Option
BO is not for Drug Importation
BO is for the Individual mandate (insurance wel-fare)
BO is not for abortion rights
BO is for more war
This is a wicked game, the elites have been trying to kill the party of FDR for years. After Bush they knew the party of FDR would come back, thus the need to create Barack Obama, a phony Progressive.
Obama un-like Clinton can not hide his real agenda, which is to continue the Bush agenda.
Firedoglakers, please leave the Democratic Party. We don’t need you.
Well, at least ya modified it a bit.
I hear your mama callin’ ya. She’s got milk, cookies and yer jammies.
I’m trying to understand how Obama is better than McCain if McCain had become President. I think the only difference is that McCain wouldn’t have gotten any major legislation passed because he’d have been a Republican President with a solidly Democratic Congress, which gridlock looks like it would have been better than moving our country towards the corporate serfdom of the populace.
I am very angry…and now to read the comments
So the law of the land isn’t really the law of the land, esp for poor wimmin who they count on to produce fodder for the war machine?
Nobody but Jane is whipping on this. I watched Ed Schultz when the Stupid/Putz amendment came out and he could barely bring himself to mention such a distasteful subject.
And to think how hard I and others fought for this. It wasn’t like the magnanimous men decided to either hand us the vote or the right to choose what we do with our bodies.Sure is easy to give away WIMMIN’S rights isn’t it? and it’s SUCH a NASTY subject; what with all that sex and bodily functions and fetuses and all.
IMO, this is all part of the rush to fascism in the USA.
The government tells us this a “center-right” country while every actual PERSON I talk to sure isn’t very happy with Obama’s anti-populism.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
They got to stop kicking women all the time. Women cannot be deprived of being in charge of their bodies!
Dammit!
And we need you? For what exactly? Change you can believe in?
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cause it is fun.
You people just don’t seem happy. Leave the party.
sunnyOprogressive, please read and answer the question below
Dennis Kucinich = DK
Barack Obama = BO
DK is for the Public Option
BO is not for the Public Option
DK is for Drug Importation
BO is not for Drug Importation
DK is not for the Individual mandate
BO is for the Individual mandate (Insurance Wel-Fare)
DK is for abortion rights
BO is not for abortion rights (just hates a woman right to choose)
DK is for ending wars
BO is for more war (all for war and more war)
DK is not for spying on americans
BO is for spying on on americans
Who is the real Democrat? DK or BO
SunnyOprogressive Stop being a [Edited by Moderator. Argue facts, not names.}! Obama was made by the corporate elite for the Corporate elite.
or we are going to have to call you
SunnyOteaparty
If you cannot get pregnant you are not entitled to an opinion.
I can’t get pregnant, and that’s my opinion. :-)
from the 2008 Democratic Party Platform: Renewing America’s Promise
this isn’t news to anyone but I wanted to see the actual plank in print
You know real change is coming when Ralph Nader and George Wallace are in agreement and proved right.
I have to assume you’re a forced birther, a coat hanger fan.
Please stop re-commenting your silliness. Expand your mind, think of new things, new arguments. Educate us with facts not foolhardiness.
He, he. I never joined. I don’t like the Hypocrisy.
How’s that hopey/changey thing working out for you? And the Health Reform that’s stunningly unpopular without the PO and completly without “Care”?
Or is it you are hoping for the Senate “Health Reform” bill to have “Care” added as an amendment?
I stopped reading Kos after they started going after Kucinich. The brainhurt finally overcame the entertainment value of sticking it to the kool-aid drinkers.
Every time we try to leave you Democrats start showing up and calling us traitors for doing so. You can’t have it both ways. Either you don’t need us and we should leave or we’re traitors for abandoning the party. When you make up your mind, please coherently explain your position, we’d all be thrilled to know where you stand …
Can’t leave something I was never in to start with, sorry.
I liked it when Kos replaced “That is an unacceptable ad hominem attack!!” was replaced with “That Little Prick Dennis”.
Penis envy perhaps? Oh, the irony of the Hypocrisy!
I forsook the Orange Satan shortly after the “Dean For America” epoch, when Markos began to use his web site as a lever to advance himself into the mainstream of the Party more than as any sort of reform device. The site likewise became overrun with real troglodytes, very abusive, nasty, mindless groupthinkers who only agreed on one thing which is they were in agreement, therefore they were superior to others, therefore, following the Chimpanzee Imperative, they were free to abuse those who seemed to be from different packs.
There it is. To paraphrase another famous quote, we didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left us.
Like Kassandra, I can’t think of anything more appropriate right now than GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
how many of you are from south dakota? that’s what i thought. if you were you would know that this post is totally bogus. herseth is a corporate blue dog conservative democrat. she tells us in south dakota that she is opposed because it is a job killing bill. she is currently trying to gut the epa alongside senator thune. she was a virtual rubber stamp for george bush. she supported the partial birth abortion ban… so her claiming to be a staunch pro choice advocate is bunk.
Now who would be the moron who pushed the idea that the best way to regain our Democratic majorities in Congress is to help elect Democrats who think and act like Republicans?
nomolos?
What happen in the 60s?
The powers that be learned a lot from the 60s.
First control the information, thus the invention of the Corporate MSM.(CORPORATE NEWS, Walter Cronkite could not exist today.)
To control people, you must control what they know and this will help you control what they do. (the key is to make an issue right or left, never a corporate issue. you may not know this NOMOLOS but there are no real differences between Dems and Reps anymore)
The 60s scared all the elites in the USA, to the point that Reagan attack the Unions, and Clinton came up with NAFTA.
What the 60s had and what we don’t have today are Jobs and Good Jobs.
The USA was an economic super power in the 60s, now it is not.
Once you take Hope from a people who know Hope, you end up with little Chaos. (revolutions always start when people look at their kids futures and see Hell, the USA middle class is dying)
The elites know that all the numbers ARE RED! You don’t give all the good JOBS away to CHINA. (Donald Trump said it best the Chinese thank our political leaders are a joke)
Don’t be fool, this is not a left or right fight, this is a demand from the USA citizens that they want their country back. At least they want Congress People that represent the issues of the People and not Corporations.
QUOTE FROM THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES SUMS UP HOW A LOT USA CITIZENS FEEL TODAY
Don’t Piss on my Back and tell me it is RAINING. OBAMA!
NOMOLOS WANT TO LEARN SOME MORE?
Donna Brazile, is that you? That was the lovely sentiment she told Hillary supporters right after the convention when they wouldn’t get on board with the unity pony. Big fucking cackle on that one.
Ok the Dems want to attack pro choice Dems for Healthcare this is Civil War now and these jerks started it!
Obama is more than willing to throw the right of women to choice out the window. He has no problem taxing the health plan of union workers who fought for decent benefits. He relishes providing 30 million new marks to his corporatist friends denying them the possibility of a public option. He lavishly throws public money at his bankster buddies but scrimps on the needs of Main Street. The only progressive thing he’s considering is to allow gays to serve in the military but then the appetite of the Pentagon for cannon fodder is insatiable, there’s allows a new war of empire looming on the horizon. It’s been said that only a “Democrat” could destroy the last vestiges of the New Deal and that is exactly what Obama has in store for working and middle class Americans. At what point do women, union members, students, the unemployed, the under employed, the homeless, the impoverished, real Democrats, progressives and all those suffering in the Corporate States of America rise up and shout, ENOUGH!!!???
That would be Rahm the same guy who told freshmen Dms to run against immigrants. thankfully most Dems did not listen.
I go further. Any Democrat who helps this bill pass will get no more support from me, until he (or she) undoes the damage.
(my emphasis)
Roe V Wade isn’t violated any more than it was violated by the Hyde Amendment. Nothing in Roe v Wade says Federal funds have to pay for abortion services.
States currently can “opt in” by setting up a state fund to pay for abortion services.
Not saying that the Senate language is good, but current law is much the same as far as Medicaid is concerned – states can decide if they want abortion coverage or not.
herseth is one of those democrats who acts and votes like republicans
According to Stupak, it was that dirty nasty scary lady parts Lois Capps who started it when she introduced her amendment.
Also, the one who advised Democrats not to run against the Iraq War. Sadly, many followed that advice.
Seconded!
Well, the Dims want to run off all the pro-choice folks that’s a pretty good chunk to help start another party.
This play against Prochoice Dems seems to follow Rahm’s pattern lets see if the weasel has the guts to take credit for this!
I agree but before today I didn’t think it was possible Dennis for President?
I’m not in the Democratic Party. At least, in no way beyond usually voting for Democrats. That’s a habit I can change. In fact, I encourage all progressives to change that habit if this bill comes to pass.
The truth is, the Democrats do need us. They have just been able to count on us always supporting them. That changed in Massachusetts last January, and that change will continue into November if the Democrats don’t wise up.
Lets see if the Pro Choice Dems have a Spine are they going to take this laying down?
OT – My Census 2010 arrived today. They really delve into one’s personal life. They want to know such things as my name, my age, rent or own, my phone # and my race. Oh, wait, that’s all? Damn, where are all the questions that invade my privacy, Michelle?
Yes the Dems lost Ted’s Seat on Healthcare throwing away Pro Choice Dems thats beyond stupid. Now we can form a third party.
The pitch for the Senate bill appears to be completely ad hominem.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/16/846784/-Sick-and-Tired-of-Kucinich,-Moore,-and-Hamsher
The idea here is to sell the bill on the merits of its proponents, who are to be depicted as pure of heart but who, in fact, are selling out everything in which they believe.
Agreed. I think it’s ironic that it’s a bunch of old, white men telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies.
Lying down and thinking of
EnglandAmerica.this is insane. maybe everyone here should read up on who herseth ACTUALLY is. then you would realize how dishonest this hit piece is.
So lets see if Michelle can convince her people not to do the census if Michelle really does have clout then her entire district will disappear.
Yeah, took me all of five minutes to fill it out and put it in the return envelope
The oligarchy won’t allow it. They’ll continue to let him up on the stage but they won’t let him have the nomination. [Edit - this is in response to the earlier "Dennis for President" post]
But with no happy ending
Sunny0progressive is neither…waste of ink
Any word from Koz can he sell this if so the Great Orange Stan became the Great Orange Judas!
Obama plays rope a dope with the American people and most being the dopes they are they fall for it. sunnyzero is an example unless he/she is a corporatist in which case their moniker should be fascistzero.
Are you suggesting we might actually LOSE her?????
I don’t give a flyin’ fuck who she is. I care about what she does. Capice?
Add the people who are concerned about the environment or the increasing economic inequity, and that’s an even bigger chunk. The Democrats have failed on every front, not just the pro-choice one.
Will the women in Congress stand up for their rights or will they be good Democrat Stepford Wives?
only the stupid would automatically assume that progressive=democrat.
teh
stupakstoopid, it burns.Jane, do you know anything about Dennis Kucinich holding this press conference tomorrow to announce his vote?
Actually, I think it’s about putting the little womon back in her “place”..Christain-wise
loose change you can believe in.
They chose money and power over all else and became worse than heroin addicts.
In many elections, it only takes a small proportion wising up to change the outcome. Even in districts that are 60-40, only ten percent of the population have to change their minds.
Too busy working on their knees.
I would like to think this is the line in the sand for any pro-choice woman who’s still supporting the Dems. But it’s Bizarro World out there right now, who the fuck knows.
That’s what its always been about. Strict adherence to a patriarchal ideology.
so you support a conservative blue dog that votes in virtual lock step with the republicans? you support a “democrat” who claims that there isn’t enough tort reform in the bill and protections for big insurance? you support gutting the epa? read up on herseth… this is a sloppy hit piece and it is incredibly dishonest. take it from an actual liberal that is from south dakota.
or on all fours.
I’m with you.
Cut the imagery. It really doesn’t boost your credentials of wanting to help women out.
What this country needs is less Democrats and more democratic socialists. Fight the power!
Betsy Markey took a lot of Progressive money in Colorado and is a solid Blue Dog once in office. She’ll take NARAL’s money and screw ‘em too.
Obama: Rahm, you’re fired.
I guess it remains to be seen just how the votes of mostly rich pampered women in Congress will help the cause of women across the country. I would think that has far more consequence than one ill advised comment on a political blog.
No, I support the candidate that is the most to the left, which is usually a socialist. I’m not a Democrat, nor am I a liberal or progressive. I’m a leftist.
I’m so mad and discouraged that I didn’t think I could laugh. But that did it. Thanks, I needed that.
Edit: the overall situation isn’t the least bit funny and the sad fact is that it doesn’t look like many women are going to fight this. The “think of England” thing is what made me laugh. Wasn’t expecting something like that.
so you support a primary challenger to herseth then, since she is a corporate, conservative democrat. she is the co-chair of the blue dog coalition in congress. she opposes health care reform for all the same reasons as the right wingers. the abortion issue is to create some cover for her on the left. it is total bunk.
We can fight the women that claim pro-choice status but are now not standing up for it when it counts without going there. Just sayin’
Guys, I am a democrat and No i am no an ObamaBot. All I am saying is, maybe we might be victim of the “echo chamber/group think” syndrome (where one thought gets amplified and accepted by everybody in the group because of lack of opposing view. Before I get eaten alive in here, I just wanted jane’s comment on this post at Openleft.org
http://www.openleft.com/diary/17855/herseth-sandlins-opposition-to-the-health-reform-bill-has-nothing-to-do-with-choice
I concur.
What does “I am a Democrat” mean today? Are you a neo-liberal corporatist? A Blue Dog? A democratic socialist? Just what does it mean?
If Herseth-Sandlin votes “YES” on a bill with anti-choice language in it and someone mounts a challenge to her I am likely to support that challenger.
That is my last word on this matter to you. I have no intention of playing ring around the rosey.
See my 124.
I’m really starting to hate Obama’s Fascist Administration. I had to put up with the smirking fascist chimp the last 8 years and then I get bait and switched by this pretend progressive piece of shit called Obama. I am a former conservative really in hindsight fascist so I know fascism when I see it and by God Obama and appears majority of the Democrats minus one for sure so far(Dennis) are corporatists fascist. They sold us out to the AHIP, then Pharma, and then saved the best for last by trading the public option to get the campaign contributions of the for-profit hospital lobby. It’s in the New York Times folks. I’m praying to God that he curses these greedy bastards whose God is mammon.
Sadly, the responses by NARAL and Planned Parenthood Action Fund have been woefully insufficient. What have they been doing in the past 2 months about this? Not a whole lot. We knew this was coming. We knew Stupak or Nelson would be the end result, yet they did nothing. Unfortunately, they are the only big players in the reproductive rights game. The rest of us don’t have friends in DC that can get us the important meetings with Senators and Representatives and try to put the pressure on.
Now, this week, they are sending out a bunch of desperate emails. It’s the same thing they did with Stupak; they didn’t send out anything until that very morning, although the amendment had been hanging around in Washington for months.
We need a new pro-choice movement in this country.
Ding ding ding ding.
But in the larger sense, this obvious call to rise up and break free of the past is actually life’s response to our own collective inaction. The reason there’s always a battle between the previous power and the coming one, between the parent and the child, is that it’s life’s way of testing whether and ensuring that the child is truly capable of wielding the power.
It would be unsafe, irresponsible – and, most deeply, uncaring and unloving – to give to a child power and responsibility for which it’s not yet ready.
So rather than the young and helpless view of seeing patriarchy as simply centuries of unfeeling oppression, the glass-half-full way of understanding what we face is life is telling us it’s time for us to stand up and take care of ourselves.
To the extent that we do not, the fault lies not with any external system, but with ourselves.
Yep.
again, i am from south dakota… what herseth does is skips votes that deal with abortion, just like the late term abortion ban. then she tells local press that she supports restricting abortion rights just like how she told us she supported that ban… and then she goes out raises money from outside groups that support abortion rights.
everyone getting worked up over this dishonest article are being played for suckers.
Is your position that Herseth is not being threatened by the Obama campaign apparatus with a primary because she is considering a no vote on the health care bill? That’s what I got out of Jane’s article.
Herseth’s stated objections to the House bill didn’t include anything about abortion. It did, however, express concerns about unfunded Medicaid mandates and cuts to Medicare for long term care. Those strike me as progressive concerns, albeit not about abortion.
That doesn’t change Jane’s basic point that we don’t know who signed the Degette letter. I suspect we can safely assume that Herseth isn’t on that letter, but who is?
I don’t hold any labels (not that involved). I know what I stand for: I stand for people over corporations, I stand for the voice of the people to be heard. I am for net neutrality (i am a nerd), and I think we need campaign finance reform to get lobbyist and corporate money out of politics (also think term limits is a good idea to further discuss)… What does that make me? I don’t know, you tell me
YUP
This is bullshit. Placing restrictions on the services that can be provided by private insurance to users of subsidies will ensure that those restrictions are applied to all classes of insurance which compete for customers benefiting from subsidies. Since those customers are going to be purchasing the same policies as non-subsidized customers, the only logical result will be that ALL private insurance is restricted from providing comprehensive family planning and reproductive health services. The democrats are by default destroying decades worth of progress on woman’s rights. Notice, they aren’t restricting subsidized Viagra … only stuff that applies to women. Obviously, this is not the only problem with the bill – but a damn sucky bit none the less.
I’m not sure what democrats stand for these days. And frankly, I don’t like the results any better than legislation based on what republicans seem to stand for. More to the point, today’s “democratic” policy seems to most resemble the philosophies and priorities of Ronald Regan. We are talking about stuff that used to be full-on hard right conservative. Changing the semantics of how conservatism is sold doesn’t make it suck any less.
Interesting comments on HuffPo over Jane’s piece. Sounds like some of these people hadn’t even heard yet that this was in the bill!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/obama-to-eject-women-from_b_501295.html
then, some attack her credentials for working with Norquist.
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Lots of smoke being blown to obscure the real point of Jane’s article, so let’s take two cases…
1) Will whoever primaries Herseth vow in writing and on video to vote against any such extreme rollback of women’s reproductive rights as that which is enshrined in the Obama bill?
Will they vote for reproductive freedom… or will they instead vote as Obama directs them?
2) If any other Democrat votes against the bill and clearly does so because of its restrictions on reproductive freedoms… will you support similar attempts to unseat them as well?
… honest answers to these questiobs should clear things up nicely.
Although I overwhelmingly trust Jane’s instincts and perceptions in the political arena, I would be interested in seeing her response to Chris Bowers’ contention that Herseth-Sandlin was never in favor of reform legislation even before the abortion-related restrictions were added. I personally don’t know enough about Herseth-Sandlin to draw a conclusion.
http://www.openleft.com/diary/17855/herseth-sandlins-opposition-to-the-health-reform-bill-has-nothing-to-do-with-choice
that is exactly what i am saying. Steve Hildebrand is a south dakotan that has a personal beef with herseth that dates back to the thune-daschle campaign. it is due to her coming out against gay marriage and making it an issue that helped sink daschle in south dakota. this has nothing to do with the obama “machine” threatening her.
she is anti gay rights, pro corporate, and co chair of the blue dog coalition… she is not the prinipled hero jane hamsher claims she is.
here is a minor reference to that campaign
http://daschlevthune.typepad.com/daschle_v_thune/2004/03/daschle_manager.html
If you check out the Democrats big tent you will see it only opens to the right.
This is the worst bill. NO. MoveOn is for it? Obama so disrespects us that he deals against our interests time after time. Not just women, teachers, unions, gays, environmentalist, anti-war activists, anti-corporatists, uh oh, but he added students for cover.
Obama is a poser. Watching progressives fall in under pressure for this after the lies is terrible. Felt the same when the 2000 election received examination by the Civil Rights Commission to witness what happened in Florida- and no sanctioned government officials were interested. No Senators showed up. No witnesses but courageous black voters who upheld democracy then and there.
Obama reveals ugly style and tactics: uses others to rule by compulsion and manipulation for corporate interests and the brazenness of his reach is startling. Witness Race To The Bottom. Now health care, same style, same threats, false representations of benefit, use of money in the wrong way to manipulate rather than serve and support. Ordering women’s interests to stand down? That disrespects all mothers and can’t bode well for this embattled democracy. Power to the people, right now!
And we had real protests- in the streets.. action not talk..
mass movements of young rebels with a cause: peace not war, love and equality, respect for our earth!
On Countdown Fineman reporting Dennis K voting for HCR.
There’s a flaw in this post from Hamsher. If Hildebrand decides to primary anyone over their vote, that’s his decision. To still call him “Obama’s deputy campaign manager” is just a play on words to lead you to believe that he’s acting at the behest of the president with this threat.
It’s President Obama, not candidate Obama, and has been for some time.
This is a manufactured non-story as far as I’m concerned, but nice effort by Hamsher to manufacture rage from thin air.
Kind of reminds me of the old time rat vs rat terrier fights. They would put a hundred rats in a cage and the dominant rats would burrow underneath the other rats in order to save themselves from the terriers. Eventually after all the other rats were sacrificed the dogs wld kill them too. I am not saying that Obama is a rat but his willingness to throw anyone under the bus to save his ass is similiar. Obama needs this bill to pass bcz if he does not he knows he is done. He does not care who the bill hurts or what rights are taken away,all he knows is he needs to save his ass and whoever has to get tossed under the bus has to go. You wld think that a simple medicare for all who wants it wld have been a much easier thing to pass.
No need to manufacture the rage. Fomenting everywhere in case you haven’t noticed.
“Obama Against Choice”… really though? This is foxnews.com territory.
Let’s see. Sacrifice health care reform for the many, in order to fund abortion rights for the few. So, there is only one issue worth fighting for, and that is abortion rights?
The “few”?
Hey, ladies… seems like you’re not even worth three-fifths of a person! Welcome to Chattelville and please enjoy your stay.
Of course there’s always the question of just what would make anyone think that this corporate-mandated shit sandwich had anything to do with health care reform…
Mandates help spread the risk, a necessity for extending insurance to individuals with preexisting conditions. The mandate will apply to those who can afford coverage but choose not to get it.
Sorry, but yes, the few. Most women in the United States don’t find themselves in need of abortion. So we are called to sacrifice health care for the many for those relative few who want to have insurance financed abortion.
Then you’ve been too busy swilling the kool-aid to follow what the bill actually does.
1) Allows theocrat-controlled states to outright ban abortions in the exchanges… in violation of Roe-v-Wade.
Hint: that’s a hell of a lot more than a “few” women being forced to give birth to unwanted children by theocrats.
2) The exchanges are designed to grow and the insurance parasites will find it easier to drop coverage altogether than to maintain different policy sets. Eventually abortion coverage will simply not be offered.
The math has been run by different organizations and in the end the Nelson BS is no different in this regard than the Stupak BS.
I’m sorry to be picky here, but my representative, one Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin voted against the Stupak amendment, HOORAY! But, she also then voted against the bill to reform healthcare. Steve Hildebrand is not anti-choice to my knowledge. While we’ve yet to meet he is a neighbor (one block away),I do know people who work for him and we have contacts in common.Democrats, including myself have been upset with her for a while. She has refused to meet and ignores her base here in Sioux Falls– the stronghold for Dems in SD. She recently made remarks to the Argus Leader,(a Gannett paper) that showed she has no clue how reconciliation works.At a time of economic crisis she sent out a taxpayer- funded mailing that was pretty much a self-promotional campaign piece.Recently while we were canvassing for signatures on ballot petitions, no one wanted to carry one or sign one for Herseth-Sandlin. Let”s be clear I am and always will be pro-choice, liberal and progressive.NY-born and raised I worked in an inner city hospital for 10yrs.I’ve seen enough, even took care of my own mother for 13rs.Right up to her passing at home. Herseth-Sandlin voted against renewing the ban on handguns in Washington,DC.She voted against the energy bill, that passed the House last fall. I’m working hard on healthcare for OFA,and the energy bill for Repower America.I’m a volunteer, I don’t get paid.In’08,I made calls thousands of them for then candidate Obama,and for Herseth-Sandlin the final days of the campaign. I voted for her twice,but unless she votes for reform(of course minus Stupak) I won’t support her.She continues to refuse to support a public option. So let’s get our criticism’s right.Herseth-Sandlin is smart but she will fool us no more!She is no Dennis Kucinich,he stands up for his beliefs. And I support him.
You have no clue what the final bill will be, neither do I. In my state, I have been on the forefront of promoting abortion rights; goes deep in my family as my sister’s college roommate was Sarah Weddington’s sister.
It just makes no sense to me to torpedo HCR over the single issue of abortion rights. Sure, there will be poor women who die from self-induced or botched abortions; my bet is, many more poor women will die from the breast exams they didn’t get to detect their breast cancer with the failure of health reform.
So when do we start hitting the phones, faxes and local offices for a NO vote?
like, last week, dude!
Good for you, Prairie Cat. Sandlin has NOTHING to do with the progressive pro-choice forces in the Democratic party and EVERYTHING to do with the Vichycrat/DLC/Blue Dog wing. Hildebrand challenging her in the Democratic primary has NOTHING to do with abortion and EVERYTHING to do with challenging the Lieberman DINOs that have sabotaged the Democratic majority in Congress ever since their darling Clintons were dethroned by the time-to-talk-to-Iran Barack Obama.
This is one of the finest liberal sites on the web when it comes to information and activism on health reform. But, on this particular matter, Jane is UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY off base. Frankly, I’m very surprised at this lapse.
It is encouraging, if a tad frustrating, to see lone comments like yours with common sense in a sea of utter nonsense about Sandlin being this wonderful pro-choice hero. It’s bad enough having an extraordinarily knowledgeable and insightful progressive leader like Jane Hamsher go totally off the rails on this question of Sandlin. But it adds incalculable insult to injury to see all the Jane dittoheads swarming to depict her incredible error as incontrovertible truth. Sigh.
Keep it up! You are not alone!!
Thank you so much for sharing this link with us. After Chris Bowers himself debunked Jane’s mis-step, I’m hoping most of us will simply realize that Jane just plain made a mistake, no getting around it, a bit of a lulu.
Hey, it happens; I’ve made them; we all make them. It doesn’t change the fact that Jane remains one of my progressive heroes. But it needs to be recognized as an unambiguous oops regardless.
It is encouraging to find others, though for different reasons, think Jane is wrong here. Abortion is such an important issue, but it is not the only important issue. And it should not be the paramount symbol of women’s rights.
The question of whether or not Hildebrand is primarying Sandlin because Hildebrand is more pro-life than Sandlin is not relevant, because NO ONE has brought up that issue as a bone of contention between them, not Hildebrand, not Sandlin, NO ONE.
Which is why Jane’s posting is completely off base.
The burden of proof is not on Hildebrand to prove that he is not being pro-life. The burden of proof is on Jane for making claims about Sandlin’s opposition to health care reform that is not only not supported, but in fact completely refuted, by Sandlin’s record.
Mrs. Sean Paul already brought this to our attention, but let me reiterate it: Please read http://www.openleft.com/diary/17855/herseth-sandlins-opposition-to-the-health-reform-bill-has-nothing-to-do-with-choice . Thank you.
Aardvark wrote: “It is encouraging to find others, though for different reasons, think Jane is wrong here.”
Thank you for the pat on the back. I sincerely hope that, upon reflection, this unfortunate posting of Jane’s will be amended or clarified or retired or forgotten or…something. Quite a misfire.
I was stunned to learn that Planned Parenthood supports the bill. Supporting such anti reproductive choice undermines their very reason for existence. And I expect it will cost them support. Good grief! Karl Rove couldn’t have wedged their base more thoroughly than Democrats are doing themselves.
Who would have ever thought that the biggest Democratic majority in a generation would bring about regress?
Good God, do you know anything about PP? Its agenda is much wider than just the abortion issue.
it’s good to see that some people are aware that this article is way off base. hildebrand has had a grudge against herseth ever since the daschle/thune campaign over her vocal stance supporting an amendment banning gay marriage. that helped sink daschle who opposed the amendment in a close election in a conservative state.
ever since she was elected she has voted for virtually every horrible bill imaginable. she was a rubber stamp for bush. once again, this article is ill-informed or dishonest. i’ll let you decide.
if herseth is such a staunch supporter of reproductive rights, then why did she support the late term abortion ban?
“And what is NARAL doing on face book right this moment?
They are copying and pasting politico articles… with no comment, no outrage, no expressed intent to act or call for action.”
Let’s face it. There are a heck of a lot of people and institutions that are veritable members of a D-Party CULT, who are primarily motivated by irrational beliefs about any and all people associated with the Other Party. They have a tribalistic conception of politics. “Their” team must win at all costs.
All these people basically defend everything that the D-Party does, and now that they’re indistinguishable–and in some senses WORSE–than the Republicans, they’re still doing it.
Today, NARAL is in the position of seeing their particular issue get screwed by the D-Party because the rest of the CULT has decided that the one or two little good things about the Senate Bill means that the D-Party MUST win–they also have to beat the Republicans.
If NARAL participates in killing the bill, along with the repugnant teabaggers and the “the firebaggers” etc, then NARAL will become “the spoiler”–yes, a la Ralph Nader–in the eyes of the CULT.
So, NARAL will not take a position on the Bill. It is interesting that the House doesn’t even want to VOTE on the Bill–EVERYONE is denying this thing, but NO ONE will take responsibility for killing it either lest they be “the Spoiler.”
Frankly, the only thing I see about the Senate Bill worth saving is the Medicaid expansion, which could easily be accomplished without the rest of the garbage.
But that’s not what the mind controlled CULT wants.
AArdvark, you’re classicism is showing! You keep referring to abortion as an issue for “poor” women. This illustrates that you don’t really know a lot of women who have had them because there are a helluva lot of middle class and upper class women who seek out the procedure. (One example would be a college student who is seeking to continue their upwardly mobile trajectory.) In fact, women in these classes can afford to have more than one procedure during their lifetime. It is the poor who may be more likely to keep their children because they cannot afford the access to the procedure as fewer and fewer clinics offer it now. Also, if we took a look at who purchased RU-486 and Plan B, the majority of those women would probably be middle to upper class as well. We should also look at what class of people gets access to a D&C because of miscarriages. My bet it is middle to upper class people who can afford the insurance coverage.
This false dichotomy you’re fronting, health care vs. women’s rights, is also erroneous and insulting to a feminist like myself because a women’s right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is tied to our reproductive health…that is, our healthcare. It is the reason we are paid 77 percent less than a man and experience other workplace disparity – because we have the ability to be pregnant and more often than not, are the primary caretakers of children and elderly family members. We are also more often the victims of sexual violence and domestic violence by an overwhelming margin and, thus, need FULL access to reproductive healthcare to deal with the consequences of that violence. (Let me know if you need me to quote the statistics.) Therefore, this idea that they are two separate issues is false.
Hmm…haven’t heard Ms. Clinton once on this issue. Wasn’t she responsible for the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling and yet she’s part of the administration that gives us this bill?
I agree that the headline was more for shock value and not exactly going for accuracy. However, candidate Obama and President Obama may not adhere to the same policy platform…you know how they say there’s you and then the “you” you would like to be and then the one you actually project.
Oh, I also left out the fact that women are also targeted via their reproductive freedom for abuse and this underscores the important of our healthcare being integral to our right to access complete reproductive services.
From the Family Violence Prevention Fund:
“A groundbreaking study released this week sheds light on a little-recognized form of abuse in which men use coercion and birth control sabotage to cause their partners to become pregnant against their wills. The study, published in the January issue of Contraception, finds this kind of reproductive control to be especially common in relationships in which women experience physical or sexual partner violence.”