I went to dinner Saturday night at a popular DC political watering hole. I’d never been there before. The atmosphere was so heavy and the mood of the room so strange it was hard to concentrate.
“It’s Paths of Glory, and these are the trenches,” said my dinner companion.
I had no idea what that meant.
“You know, Stanley Kubrick, World War I — the generals know it’s a suicide mission but they don’t care. They think they might get a promotion so they send the troops in anyway. But the troops won’t go, so the generals start firing on their own men in the trenches.”
Yep, that was it was it: fear. Icy cold fingers up your back, smell-of-death fear.
“You mean over the health care bill? I said. “Because they’re forcing everyone to sacrifice themselves and take the vote.”
“Yep.”
I’d had dinner with another Democratic operative the night before who referred to it as “sati” (where the widow of a deceased Hindu would throw herself on her husband’s funeral pyre, either voluntarily or by force).
“That’s funny,” I said, “I’ve been calling it ‘Jonestown.’ But “Paths of Glory” — the generals — much more apt.”
As I recall, in the movie they wind up shooting one soldier for his “cowardice” as a lesson to them all.
There were a few oily chislers in the restaurant who added a cheap, edgy euphoria to the atmosphere, destined as they were to make a buck off the proceedings. But the sad, desperate thing about the entire affair is just how low rent it all is. No robber barons or captains of industry here: just the errand boys to power who are easily bought for pennies on the dollar.
If this is the best we can do after the nation pours its collective hope into something, it really is the end of empire. And everyone in town, at one level or another, seems to know it.
Update: Per selise, it appears the role of the “one soldier” has already been cast.



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Wow, was that depressing!
Well when you shoot for the bottom, you usually hit your target.
Did Kubrick ever make a movie that wasn’t an adaptation from a novel?
I think it’s more like the continuation of the empire. Everything the powerful do is in the service of enriching the powerful. It has ever been thus. It’s only really sad for people who thought it would be different now.
When you think about it, most of the American public is disengaged, depoliticized. Watching CSPAN or FOX news 4 to 6 hours a day isn’t really participation in Democracy. It’s passive, like reading and commenting on web sites.
We the people have to connect directly to the government and each other in actions. Action is gathering, meeting, marching, striking, lobbying and broadcasting/publicizing.
That’s why Congress is too bought off to change anything. Words really aren’t political speech. It’s money or actions.
Economy, Healthcare, Education, Jobs, the social safety net, all being sacrificed to feed the gluttons of Wall Street who declare themselves all knowing God when collecting bonuses, and know nothing putzes when asked to explain their (criminal) failures.
This is not going to go over well with the public. There’s evidently nothing ‘savvy’ about these Obama glorified ‘businessmen’.
11 million unemployed, 8 million underemployed, no end in sight. The stress on the public is getting beyond the sense of paralyzing despair and nearing the point of explosive rage. They damn well should be getting afraid!
I’ll take a “suicide mission” where 31 million Americans are covered via comprehensive healthcare. I’ll take the “heavy..fear” of knowing that insurers can’t run roughshod over Joe Citizen who can’t get healthcare coverage because his kid has a “pre existing condition”. I’ll take the “strange mood” that accompanies the beginning of a process that will (methodically and eventually) improve are in-effective, in-efficient healthcare system. I’ll take all of this because I know that PROGRESS is the root word of Progressive. Maybe you should choose a different place to enjoy a meal. To borrow a phrase from another, noted War movie…The place where I eat… “smells like…victory”.
Well, if you’ve never seen the movie, only a third of the troops won’t run out of the trenches, they’re the ones who realize what’s up. The other two thirds are immediate cannon fodder.
Maybe they just lost the will to resist. Or maybe it’s just easier to run with the pack and not question how it’s all going to end.
I’ve lately been asking myself what would be the best way, the right way, to live my remaining days during the end of an empire.
This one was a truly beautiful job, Jane. My compliments.
But whether it’s the end of empire, I’m not sure. It may be the end of the Democratic Party, and/or the end of the Republic, but I think they’ll beggar us all before they end the empire.
Jane, you write so well. I’d like to read more in this impressionistic style, or even truth revealed through fiction. You could do it. Meanwhile, if you come home, I know some good pizza-by-the-slice places where the left coast commoners hang out.
I WAS eating pizza tonight. How did you know?
I didn’t know. I thought you were in some fancy place tonight, and I felt sorry for you.
Jane, I just finished reading A Woman Among Warlords by Malalai Joya. An incredibly hard, scary place to be, but she is inspiring. She finds it convenient to wear the burka so she won’t be recognized and killed when she sneaks out for ice cream. When the warlords, inside and outside Parliament, were campaigning for amnesty for their war crimes, a slogan was “Down With Human RIghts”. At least they’re up front about it there.
Well, I’ll take 30 million people being mandated to buy overpriced corporate insurance that covers 65% of expenses, or face the IRS! I’ll take giving the old and sick access to same, at 3X the cost, unless they failed to disclose some insignificant past treatment and have thus committed “fraud”. I’ll take another four years of double digit insurance rate hikes until that glorious day when points 1 and 2 take effect. Because god-dangit, that’s what we won when we took the house, and the senate, and the presidency!
Arise, wretched of the earth
Arise, convicts of hunger
Reason thunders in its crater
This is the eruption of the end
Of the past let us wipe the slate clean
Enslaved masses, arise, arise
The world is about to change its foundation
We are nothing, let us be all
|: This is the final struggle
Let us group together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race :|
Woo hoo! Say it with me…RE-vuh-noo-urs.
Kind of swallow the last syllable. As in “we hid them barrels of whiskey up in the hills because the revenuers wanted to put a tax on ‘em.”
And then you grab your shotgun, scream something about “over my dead body,” UNICEF and the trilateral commission, and … well, you’d be doing a pretty good impression of how the reasonable portion of my family will respond to this bill.
It’s straight downhill from there. Real quick.
Paths of Glory – what an intense and apt metaphor for the abyss of deception, betrayal and cowardice we are just coming through these last few weeks with the slight-of-hand about the PO and other worse situations we might be headed into (we have no idea, few are discussing the frank truth of what’s ahead of us and our newsmedia entertains itself – and us — with psychopathology), led not by a president but a brand which must be protected at all cost and thus get this bill passed no matter what, brooking no risk at all, not even an itsy bitsy public option.
Given the field of battle that modern healthcare has already been for decades, given the murderous profit-taking by insurers in life-or-death situations (likely to continue as insurers drag state insurance commissioners into court from coast to coast and explode budgets as states try to enforce regulations on insurers which are unregulatable (see California for the last 20 years), HCR might become the closest thing to a widespread domestic warscape America has seen since the Lincoln era. Never mind Obama’s soupy “hope,” at a core level what seems missing is trust that this mandated system without competition (the only thing that can reliably “control” insurance premiums assuming the PO had been broadly available) will work. Lack of trust is where the fear is coming from.
Superb piece, Jane. Thanks for being our touchstone with reality and such a good strategist.
x2
Unlike physicians, nurses, hospitals, allied health professionals, Big Pharma, and medical device makers, the health insurance cartel provides zero value to patients. They charge around 20% for what Medicare does for around 5%. Medicare also subsidizes medical school education.
If you can explain how lining the pockets of the health insurance cartel, so they can buy more lobbyists to fight SINGLE PAYER, is a victory, you have my attention.
The health insurance cartel loves the Senate version without the PO, because they get the IRS to sell their crap to the poor and the middle class. I do not think it qualifies as insurance. They have already socialized 95% of their risk onto the taxpayers via Medicare and Medicaid. They keep the premiums from the young and the healthy. They declare those as profits. When people get old or get sick, they either raise the premiums or declare a pre-existing condition.
The health insurance cartel does not want to privatize Medicare or Medicaid. All the profit in this scam comes from the premiums paid by the young and the healthy. Where there is no risk, there should be no reward.
Off topic but for anyone interested in World War I, particularly how it is was American soldiers came to be thrown into that meatgrinder, Thomas Fleming wrote a wonderful book a few years ago called The Illusion of Victory (he has a similar book about World War II called The New Dealer’s War). As a Missouri National Guard captain (whose men encouraged him to go into politics after the war) once put it, “There’s nothing new in the world except the history don’t you know”.
Pierce began listing how much it cost to build training camps, buy rifles, artillery, airplanes — then added nervously: “And we may have to have an army in France.”
“Good Lord!” Senator Martin said. “You’re not going to send soldiers over there, are you?”
Few comments better exemplify the almost incredible naivete that underlay the American decision to declare war on Germany. It was a naivete shared by Woodrow Wilson and his cabinet and just about everyone else in the country.
http://hnn.us/articles/10198.html
I’m still gob-smacked by the lunacy of all this. It seems that most Democrats consider this awful bill some kind of signature “achievement,” when all it will do is make them allies of the insurance companies in the public’s eye, just like has already happened with Wall Street and the Dems.
No one is going to cheer having us buy expensive policies from the enemy that do no good…
The ‘life’ of empires is getting shorter and shorter all the time…
Not “health care” — insurance.
Insurance that costs them more than it would if they had it now.
Insurance they are forced — mandated — by law to have, or face having the IRS sicced on them with fines in the thousands of dollars.
How is this an improvement over what we have now? Remember when Obama campaigned against mandates?
Oh, exactly. Wanna make a good chunk of the people in the Plains and Mountain states into hardcore right-wing populist teabaggers? This is how you do it.
And meanwhile, the architect of it all, the same guy who gave us NAFTA — which in turn killed the Dems in 1994 — gets to artfully dodge the blame for yet another mess he created.
Jane, as you have said before, we all have a part to play here.
You say where we’re at, and I sometimes try to lift us up. Thank you for doing your job, so that I can too.
The “idea” of reform has overtaken reality to alot of people. Like all the changes that would happen if just the Dems had majorities in the houses and a Dem won the presidency. All proven to be fictitious theatrics and nothing more. Better than nothing, is the new mantra to alot of people. Come on, it’s REFORM!! You have to give and give and give, to get little in return! But it’s a great distraction from economic realities hitting millions upon millions of Americans. They have no money, are losing their jobs, their homes, their lives………oh and if you have a income tax refund coming, don’t look for it very quickly. States are now saying they might have to hold the cheques for up to half a year cuz they don’t have the money. But just think how all that will change, if there is just this little bit of health insurance REFORM that will save millions of lives of people that right now can’t even afford to eat! Losing your house? Well here, we will reform DADT in the military. Did that help? Lost your job? Well we’ll bail out Wall Street. Didn’t that help?
Depressingly apt. :(
has the role of this soldier has already been cast? from the cleveland plain dealer:
The U.S. empire can’t end soon enough to suit me.
Does it never end? One of the few progressive liberals in Washington is now the target of an organization claiming to be progressive and liberal. Un-believe-able!
interesting that the two wars cast in a positive light here – the righteous suicide wars – are wWI and VietNam (smells like what?). Until Iraq, the two most pointless fights we’ve joined.
“Medicare for all” had such a nice ring to it. We can’t seem to do anything right these days.
i think it’s the campaign strategy: if the base can be scared enough of the right wing, they can be scared into supporting corporatist dems. but to do that requires provoking the right wing.
or maybe/hopefully i just got up on the cynical side of the bed today.
But Medicare and, certainly Medicaid ARE privatized. I’ve been on Medicaid since the early ’90′s and I’ve watched as the HMOs have taken over everything much to the detriment of the program.
You go to a community health center with your Medicaid/Medicare HMO card and then, the state has privatized THAT as well so two corporations are skimming. No wonder the doctors treat us like dirt. They don’t even know themselves this is happening. They think it’s “socialism”.
Medicare buy-in at 50 would go a long way, given the aggregate correlative nexus of age and utilization. Precisely the cohort the bin al Ignagni crowd doesn’t wanna actually serve anyway.
Love this:
if the house leadership put up hr 193 (stark’s americare bill – a public option even i think makes some sense) for reconciliation would enough dems in the house to vote for it?
i wish speaker pelosi et al. would just do it and see.
When the Russian officers during WWI ordered soldiers into the meat grinder the soldiers often turned their weapons on their own officers. When the Russian armies were in retreat many officers fell to “friendly” fire. When the soldiers were back on the home front they joined the Revolution. By now they realized they were nothing more than cannon fodder to be used by the ruling elites, desperately trying to hold onto power of a corrupt and crumbling system.
And the unreasonable side will do what?
(I don’t think we have moonshiners in my family, but I believe some of mine raised gamecocks.)
Jane, you write so well. I will concur on the sentiment in D.C.: DREAD. If House Democrats jump off a cliff with Pelosi and W.H., it is going to get nasty. Lets hope they do not, and we create a better bill. There is still hope. If the Senate bill dies in the House, there will DEFINATELY be a Plan C. Obama did not stake his legacy on passing nothing. He will take what he can get.
jmo, but i think a medicare buy-in as grayson has proposed is really really STUPIDLY BAD policy (even though it makeS for great sound bites) — not part of the subsidized plans on the exchange, no risk adjustment regulation (which i don’t even trust the obama administration not to eff up).
stark has a MUCH BETTER approach imo for a medicare based po.
jane. that was some excellant pros right there, like the atomsphere in cathers in the rye
To go back to the Paths of Glory analogy, the soldier to be shot will certainly be a progressive (DK?).
This morning on This Week, Kooky Roberts blamed the healthcare bill’s unpopularity on — you guessed it — supporters of the public option, saying it held up progress on the bill for almost a year. Facts be damned, it wasn’t Obama squandering precious time by negotiating with Death-panel Grassley and Cut-Entitlements Snowe, but people simply wanting a choice about the type of plan into which they will be forced to put their hard-earned cash.
The morning atrocities, of course, were not confined to This Week. Tom Brokaw fawned all over Karl Rove in an interview on Meet the Press.
The end of the republic? Seems like it this morning.
Paths of Glory was one of Kirk’s dreams. He had to bank it himself. WW1 was so corrupt that this movie was showing only one aspect of mass murder of troops by their own captains. And it was during Vietnam, when it was a little more obvious that they were killing people for sport and experiment.
The only good films about war show it for what it is. This was one of the best ever.
How can you do it Jane? How can you live there amongst the squalor and greed, and lack of any human truths?
Ah, the whole “FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor, but let them as it was the only way he’d get an American populace lulled by anti-Semitic isolationists like Lindbergh to back taking on Hitler” gambit?
agreed, it was quite unpleasant watch Brokaw and Rove making out on the teeVee screen.
I think your right about forcing a vote on healthcare however if we had a Public Option or National Healthcare I think the troops might be more cheerful.
Look, I favor Medicare for all, i.e., the experienced Single Payer infrastructure already long in place (for all not covered by the DOD or VA), alongside a continuing private ancillary insurance market.
Go Dennis!
I don’t understand, why do you believe anyone is going to have comprehensive health care? It’s not mentioned anywhere? Only insurance is mentioned. Try to get the facts to connect with the words and you end up lying to yourself to find a meaning.
They shot three soldiers; one was wounded and had to be propped up so that the firing squad could hit him. All pour encourager les autres. When a general got caught ordering his artillery to fire on his own men, who refused to advance, he was – unusually – removed from his command.
To the generals, it was a game. Only for everyone else was it real, with live fire consequences.
Oh, most definitely — though Markos has hated Kucinich well before this.
It’s funny, in a way: Just as Bill Clinton’s advisors worked to keep him personally popular at Congressional Democrats’ expense, Obama’s advisors are doing the same. And who’s the third-wayer guy who’s the common thread between the two administrations? This guy.
Notice that the Republicans still haven’t joined Kucinich’s call for a probe of Rahm Emanuel’s Fannie/Freddie ties? You’d think they’d be chomping at the bit — they’ve gladly pushed to take down Van Jones, Eric Holder, Desiree Rogers, and anyone else in Obama’s administration who might not be a total corporatist or who isn’t actively harmful to Obama or the Dems. Why, you’d think that they think he’s doing their work for them, whether he knows it or not.
Ugh. That one was tough to read.
I guess we have to get into it.
Kind of OT:
Mrs Justice Thomas is starting a tea-party group.
Poignant reporting from the trenches. Many thanks. When it fails , what then? There is the latent energy of change and the very real grassroots movement for sustainability and community building. In Minneapolis there are several Transition Towns developing to build local networks for sustainability.
So this strange political moment of betrayal is also one more step in some evolution of an un-named movement for justice and compassion. Clearly the empire is in a twilight phase– so how do we survive and re-organize? Post Davos everything is local for the environmental movement. What does that mean for healthcare? What are the other questions…. if not Dems for change, then?
The majority wants and needs change— how can a nascent movement capture their hope and strength following on this, the most profound and cynical betrayal in American history?
Thanks to all at FDL, an island of rationality and courage.
Nate Silver doesn’t think much of Kucinich, either: he really doesn’t seem to have done much in the time that he’s been in Congress.
I’m sure some big GOPers were in on that too.
Goopers are more worried about the GOP ties such an investigation would find. They know that Dennis is not carrying their laundry, but airing it out. What’s too bad is that the Dems fell over themselves putting their own stained laundry in the same basket.
Rahm knows what he’s doing.
Your so right. These sites are just places we hold a massive circle jerk. they siphon off our energy and demoralize us at there worst. They are an excuse to do less then nothing. Were all now nothing more then kb commandos. Maybe, the right can afford to do this at their sites because they after all have the Corp. wind at their back, but we don’t. All we have is each other.
Act II: The Health Care Bill
Act II is generally development in the Sonata form of Theme Development & Recapitulation. Don’t you mean Act III, The finale?
The sequel would be Health Care II, The Enactment, and sequels are always worse than the original?
Or are you thinking of the Six Stages of Projects?
1. Enthusiasm,
2. Disillusionment,
3. Panic and hysteria,
4. Search for the guilty,
5. Punishment of the innocent, and
6. Praise and honor for those who avoided blame.
That is a simply beautiful turn of phrase, it stands out, even in a thread already rich in eloquence.
Is it supposed to be a poison pill. Is it supposed to be kabuki for all those progressive who refuse to pay attention to the fact he has and will ultimately be voting for this sham of a bill at every turn?
Or is it really a good idea, because passing his amendment would be the best kind of thing to have to “fix later”?
I can’t figure it out.
we are phone banking today to progressives and swing votes FOR the public option.
stand up for the house plan and vote for the public option.
Their not afraid in the least, why should they be? We are the ones that should be afraid. They have the Army and the Nat’l guard and the hired thugs like Blackwater, plus the courts to protect them and they’re ill-gotten gains, what do we have? These sites ?
Beautiful writing Jane.
That’s really where our activism must begin, with the truth. Not just the truth of how this despicable system ruins those who sustain it, but our truth, the truth for those who care and resist.
Thanks
You know, I think we should take the fight to the Masters, not the Congress.
For instance, why not organize a million calls – to Wellpoint on one day. Shut down their corporate office phones and drive their cost up huge.
Then tell BCBS they’re next, and shut down their phone lines, overload their servers.
As long as we’re fighting the proxies, we’re not getting to the real problem’s source.
Dear Democratic Congress,
Your careers in the political class are being sacrificed so that Obama can adorn his resume with “health insurance reform.” Why you think that your “punishment,” at the hands of party hacks, for not falling in line will be worse than anything you could experience after this piece-of-crap bill is passed is beyond me. Good luck in the private sector next year.
Sincerely yours,
Cassiodorus
Speaking of Paths of Glory, how many here would refuse to jump into the meat grinder? I like to think I’d walk the walk as well as talk the talk, but I’m not sure. I consider myself fortunate I have never been put to the test. We can’t create a non-hierarchical blog either here or someplace else. Perhaps it needn’t be death or dishonor, but we must to do something more than bemoan the status quo.
The Pen is mightier than the sword. Take heart and please do not forget that aphorism.
Ridicule is a better weapon that guns.
When the bill passes and the insurers are put under permanent Federal subsidy at taxpayer expense, they won’t worry about that, will they?
I could care less about the strange mood in Washington. It isn’t just healthcare. It is a basic failure in governance by both parties. The Democrats had a real chance to change things for the better and they blew it about as badly as it could be. I have no sympathy for them at all. My sympathies go to all those that their inaction and bad action have harmed and will harm.
I think it is a mistake for us not to lay this solely at the feet of Obama. He willfully swung the hammer to put the nail in the coffin of the Dem party. I say that without hot air. I claimed conscientious objector status and was no longer registered as a Dem by the end of Clinton’s term because of NAFTA. I see the biggest difference now, is the mood as Jane described, that is coming from the real public servants that still committed to the party after Clinton. When they wear the defeat, you know that it the end of the end.
Wait the worst of this charade hasn’t hit us yet. The next part is the Congressional drama of passage and then the oh so historic signing and the pens passed around and the back slapping and the sales job that this bill is the best thing since apple pie. Then comes reality and the bill for all the rest of us.
Nate Silver is full of Veal.
As if everyone doesn’t already know Kucinich hasn’t been successful at passing a lot of bills. That’s a problem of the entire system … certainly the entire progressive caucus… not just Kucinich who is practically flying solo.
It’s hard enough to get a progressive message/word in edgewise. I hardly fault Kucinich for not changing the entire system by himself under these circumstances.
It’s all straw man… evasive veal food.
The problem is folk like Nate and kos are about help the wrong people pass bullshit and call it victory.
Really? Victory smells like your own rump being roasted? The only way to choke that down is with a BIG glass of Kool-aid.
Jane all I can is you led the Good & Righteous fight! Being right and being ignored seems to go hand and hand for true progressives when dealing with the Demcratic power structure. But alas this too will pass and we will once again pick up our Progressivve banner and join the good fight with equal gusto!
In ambiguous circumstances people tend to see what they expect to see.
She’s the voice of the Villagers isn’t she?
I’ve seen “Paths of Glory” numerous times, and think it is brilliant.
Of course the big difference between the movie and today’s Washington is that the foot soldiers in the movie are actually brave men who are willing to fight for their cause, but are betrayed by their officers. In Washington, the Democratic foot soldiers (with some notable exceptions) are cowards unwilling to fight for anything.
Anyone else think the Coffee Party “Civil Discourse”, as they describe it, is carefully timed on the hills of this “victory” to start the faux grassroots OFA all over again?
I look forward to reading Jane Hamsher’s input…she’s my favorite Lefty. Her posts/articles lack the blind hatred that is always on display from the Left. Anyway, I think Michael Ramirez beats both Paths of Glory and Jonestown comparisons, by bringing the situation into the modern era with – OBAMA AKBAR!
is financial reform the next paths of glory?
ramirez is, and has always been, a right wing monster.
that cartoon is Boehnerism and McConnellism writ large.
It has no roots in our issues or complaints.
No, they fire into the trenches in Act II. In Act III they execute the 3 soldiers.
They’re still firing into the trenches.
I give credit to Jane’s ability to maintain the focus around here, for our collective ability to understand what you have stated so clearly.
Most of the other progressive sites I visit evince the roots of progressive’s current powerlessness, which you also point out;
I think the FDL community under Jane’s guidance, has done more than any other group, to force the rot out into the clear light-of-day so we can at least see the enemy clearly.
This is a very important step if we ever expect to have a chance to fight.
So far, we haven’t actually been fighting, we’ve been trying to find the enemy whose many allies work very hard to obstruct our progress.
Yes, the Rove/Brokaw interview was a nauseating lovefest.
Well, there is that.
Kooky Roberts reliably regurgitates Beltway conventional wisdom. She makes a fool of herself constantly but appears to be blissfully unaware of this fact.
IIRC, the villains were the high class, high society generals and the tragedy was the folly of trench warfare. The enemy was just the faceless whoevers on the other side. Of course the French won that war and lost the next one (well, until they were liberated). Fifty million died senselessly, mostly innocents, because of a handful of wacko dictators. The US also dropped a ton of bombs on civilian population centers. Maybe we were better with prisoners.
We’re on the precipice again. Hundreds of thousands of civilians and enemy fighters killed and wounded. Hundreds of thousands of US troops putting their lives at risk. On the progressive blogs we spend a big chunk of our time fighting for the fair treatment of 200 detainees or terrorists or prisoners who may be innocent. Hell, there are at least a hundred thousand prisoners in American penitentiaries today who deserve new trials because of advances in dna testing. There are 50 million Americans hungry today while the top one percent gets rich beyond belief.
Maybe we’ve lost our sense of proportion and priority. That’s what that movie is about as well. Maybe we deserve to be fighting in the trenches.
Oops, got sidetracked by the movie. I know the thread was about the healthcare battle.
Cokie is right. The public option campaign did hold up passage of the bill for almost a year, and during that time it allowed all the stories about what a corrupt piece of garbage it is to get out. That did make it unpopular.
She just thinks that’s a bad thing, as if pulling the wool over people’s eyes and hoodwinking them quickly is the appropriate role of government.
Wow, Jane, that actually sounds mega low rent … like you were having to meet at some Tasty Freeze down off Robert E. Lee Highway or over at the Dairy Queen in Lorton. Far cry from Trumpets for these folks. DeeCee was always known for its stellar steak-and-porter eats.
Gallipoli was another disastrous battle during WWI that resulted in a massive slaughter of Australian troops. The film by the same name is one of the most powerful antiwar films ever made.
Trotsky calls the moment when the soldiers refuse to fire on their fellow citizens and turn on their officers as “The Revolutionary Moment”.
Is the present “Shock Doctrine” atmosphere a prelude to that moment?
I fear for the Republic.
Americans have had an easy time of it over the last three centuries as we have been most often on the giving end and not on the taking it end.
How many Native Americans,Filipinos,Koreans,Vietnamese,Iraqis,Iranians or Afghani and Pakistanis have perished for the cause of American Empire? Or Europeans or Asians who we went up against in WW1 and WW2 which contrary to our myths and legends had more to do with American Empire than we ever admit freely to or let on. Reading James Bradley’s ‘The Imperial Cruise’ is a good and useful action to find and take time to do.
We Americans accord ourselves high rank for our “goodness and rightness” but the death tolls we have inflicted on those who resisted our good and right are not small in number.
As JH relates above the low rent quality of our Empire is shoddy goods.In particular the more one learns of what the CIA has done or still does since the 1950′s onwards should prompt it’s being dismantled. The many Americans who did or condoned it’s nefarious or plain evil acts exposed for the criminals they are and disgraced,discredited,prosecuted,banished or imprisoned.
Reading any of the general wire service or background news articles about this so called HCR in recent days suggests over and over that this will be such an HC advance,so many more will be covered and implies the improvements will be knowable very soon after passage. A pack of lies if ever there was.
This is not about improving American healthcare. This is about making AHIP more profitable and resilent against any single payer/Medicare For ALL ever taking to the field.
This is what Barack Obama and his Party are giving the American people after which they will tell us how good they were to us in doing so. Liars.
Over the top go and run into oblivion. These criminals and liars deserve no less.
The village is doing their Potemkin best to wish the inevitable away, but the consumer dependent economy is in a mortal tailspin, and there is nothing in the offing to dial back the rising unemployment. LRB will designate cooking dinner as labor, drop employment as a pertinent statistic, cross their fingers and shit their pants, knowing full well that ‘A Hungry man is and Angry man, or that no work and no play makes Jack anything but a dull boy.
The last thing Marie Antoinettes’ brain registered before her head made contact with the planks was an animated sea of human commodities cheering.
I love Gallipoli. I thought about bringing that up but thought too many people wouldn’t know what it was.
I see it as the end of the empire, but I see that as a Good Thing ;) Isn’t this how empires end? Through the corruption of its upper classes and those with power? Our country was founded because of this principle! And we made it through difficult times because we recognized it again and again: “A house divided against itself cannot stand” (The Bible, quoted by Pres. Abraham Lincoln). “Preponderance of the Great. The ridgepole sags to its breaking point” (I Ching).
The new empire will be built upon the old one’s ashes. We will get our PO or our Single Payer system. The People will not stand for anything less.
Possibly OT but could be a mood lifter: “The Video That Will Put Geithner Behind Bars.” If you haven’t moved your money yet, Stephen Pizzo kicks you in the pants over at “You’re Still Keeping Your Money in a Big Bank? What’s Wrong with You?“
Mutinies such as the one Kubrick depicted were rare, but commonplace for a time, especially in the French army after years of being sent into near-suicidal attacks for the same ground. The repeated battles over Chemin des Dames come to mind. That was a geographically and historically important valley in eastern France. Bones from the fallen continue to emerge with each spring thaw.
The French Army mutinies happened in 1917, the same year as the Russian Revolution (sparked, in part, by widespread mutiny in the Czar’s army), after three years of devastating war and devastatingly poor leadership, and after roughly one million men – 5% of French men capable of bearing arms – had been killed or wounded. Owing to wartime censorship, the mutinies were ill-covered, except for the discipline meted out to a few.
I love this temperature taking but it seems pretty unreliable. We all write our own stories according to our own prejudices. Still it is a good story.
I have this idea the fear is more than just about electoral chances. I think it is a fear of real violence. I think that is why the public option can’t be done because that is just too much, too socialist. I think they all want the HCR to die and it still may. If it passes, even without PO the howls are going to be beyond anything we have experienced yet I believe.
It is possible, not probable perhaps but possible, that there is going to be a political crisis this summer that involves in part violence from the right. HCR is just the avenue leading there.
What’s to fear for the Republic is that the only groups really contemplating open revolt, i.e. not following orders, are the reactionary Oath Keepers. The “progressives” in Congress are the meat and potatoes of the effort to pass the Senate bill.
That sets us up nicely to work the jobs they giveth in the Nuclear power and “clean” coal. I’m sure the Raytheons of the empire will be hiring for machinist to build the parts. Just work the jobs they give and shut the hell up. The Kerry/Graham Excelon bill has been moving along quite nicely while we beg for the crumbs of a public option.
By the way, I was watching MSNBC Friday morning and they promo’d a story on Rahm Emanuel and how he was “under fire”. Alluded to the Massa scandal and the vote to investigate the process in which this was handled (ahem, how Emanual handled it). But they cut to commercial and I waited and waited but they never ran the story. MSNBC is as bad during the Obama administration as Fox was during the Bush 2 administration. Does one have to watch conservative news during “liberal” admins and vice-versa?
Watched McLaughlin Group today. They must have gotten a ratings boost because of DST. I hope he never dies.
Gallipoli, Churchill’s greatest nightmare and his First World War generals’ and admirals’ greatest failure. Ask the Anzacs, who paid the greatest price. They remember it bloody well. It was a slow-motion massacre of tens of thousands in a bid to attack the Kaiser’s coalition through the “soft underbelly” of Europe defended by the Turks. A young Kemal Attaturk disabused Churchill of the accuracy of that description.
It cost Churchill his cabinet post; he was then its most energetic and knowledgeable politician warrior. He spent a year in the trenches himself afterwards, a precedent his colleagues regretted, though one they never followed.
HCR was a battle, not the war. An important battle, yes. A really sad lost opportunity, yes. But the war goes on, and Obama has been mortally wounded.
IMHO, his presidency is all but over.
With the notable exception of a few unintelligible mumbles, I don’t think I said a word to anyone for several days after I saw that film and I still tear up whenever it pops into my conscious awareness.
I agree. And he’ll take Pelosi and Reid down with him. And countless others.
The current situation is even sadder and more poignant than in Paths of Glory. In the film, the troops were part of a suicide mission. In our case, it was our leaders themselves who turned a successful mission into murder of their own troops.
President Obama campaigned on a platform of change and hope. The people responded strongly and produced wins in the White House, Senate and Congress. There is no doubt in my mind that if the President had included the public option in his plan, it would have passed. That one omission said it all to me – the man I voted for betrayed the people who worked hardest for him during the election. Given the opportunity to produce change we could believe in, he killed it. And along with it, he killed the hope that was supposed to change our nation.
Good point, good film. A young Mel Gibson and his mate – a star Australian sportsman with legs like steel springs (a refrain in the film’s dialogue) – were runners who carried communications between commands in the absence of visual, telephone or radio communications. Great plot device, as it allowed the viewer a wider perspective on the battles, the slaughter and their futility.
I think you are misreading the battlefield. Moderates are not our enemy. They are our allies.
Without them, given the composition of the American electorate, progressive ideas have no chance of being enacted into law.
With them, we get half-assed halting progressive legislation, like this HCR.
The battle was not won or lost, it was moderated.
As I do myself when ever I hear The Band Played Waltzing Matilda it’s as hard to sing, as it is to hear.
I’m sure it’s the first place that many have ever heard of Gallipoli.
31 million Americans who are now covered by junk insurance with such high deductibles and co-pays they can’t afford to use it while the insurance companies get richer. That’s not worth taking shit for let alone a bullet.
Go Dennis K. No real public option, no deal!
Was it the public option that caused the delay? Or the fact that Obama ran on it and, until the very end, said he was in favor of it?
It speaks volumes to me that he never had the courage to just give it up. IMHO, that is what really caused the delay. His dishonesty and unwillingness to tell his supporters that he had already traded it away.
Moderates are not our enemy.
They sure as hell were this time.
Love this idea, but wouldn’t we be reaching some outsourced customer service operation somewhere and driving them nuts? And most of the time you can’t really reach a service rep unless you have an ID #… Maybe good old-fashioned picketing outside corp headquarters is better.
They weren’t moderates. They just misdescribed themselves as that in order to garner unearned and undeserved credibility, and the tradmed gave it to them. See Masaccio’s latest post upstairs.
At a time like this, Moderates are either ignorant or lack integrity. In each case, we need to find out which one it is.
Okay. They called themselves moderates and they were the enemy this time.
Obama certainly didn’t want a PO or credible, substantive reform. His pre-agreements with the insurance and drugs industries make that clear, as if continuing to employ and listen to Rahm did not already do that.
That Obama ran on wanting such things is a problem of his own devising, one we shouldn’t help him solve without demanding the change that won him so many votes.
To continue the history lesson:
…except for the group of principled Senators who filibustered to try to prevent our entry into the World War (and later to try to block the misguided Treaty of Versailles), in the face of vitriol like this from the newspaper editors of 1917:
Not to mention – in a close parallel to the pressures facing Members of Congress today, from a much more publicly-exalted presidency, on this dreadfully-misguided health reform legislation – in the face of scorn and pressure from President Wilson himself, who castigated those filibustering Senators as “a little group of willful men” standing in his way, which lead Wilson to successfully push the Senate to enact the first cloture rule in 1917, to try to limit minority filibusters (a rule that was first deployed to ratify the Treaty of Versailles).
Decades later, one of those principled Senators was still in the Senate, long after the presidency of President Wilson and the lives of 100,000 Americans had ended in the trench madness of the World War. He, Senator George Norris of Nebraska, then an Independent (formerly a Progressive Republican), had not changed his views about the World War, as he looked back in its aftermath, in 1938, even as he agreed that the U.S. needed to be prepared to confront NAZI Germany:
As Senator Norris’s own long Senate career helps demonstrate – after he openly opposed a President and the popular mood of the country on a vital issue of national import, on principle – reelection-focused excuses made by Members of Congress today to avoid doing the right thing, because unpopular among the powers that be, in this case, as opposed to the American people, are neither laudable nor likely credible.
And unlike those trapped soldiers in the trenches of World War One, there’s no chain of command in our independent Legislative Branch of government that can legitimately order our representatives to obey a presidential or Party dictate that goes against their own will and better judgement. Instead our representatives are letting themselves be swayed by money and perceived power, and the upcoming vote(s) will be a test of integrity that distinguishes those in Congress who are there to serve the public interest from those in Congress who have chosen to serve themselves.
This bill is more conservative then the bill proposed by Richard Nixon. Anytime Nixon is to the left of something that something is not moderate. End of Story. The most liberal of the congress critters are the true moderates.
That’s what I meant.
Sorry, here’s the link.
The Band Played Waltzing Matilda
You’re assuming that self-described moderates are accurately portraying themselves as moderate. To be charitable, that’s highly doubtful. It’s more like accepting Blanche Lincoln’s claims that she really is a proponent of health care reform and that repealing the estate tax will be good for all Americans, not just the Waltons.
As Ross Perot once said, “the bodies always float to the surface.” One fine day we will get to see the minutes of Obama’s closed door meetings, and learn that the PO, or anything like it, was sold over a year ago. All since has been manipulation, lies and grand political theater.
I was seeing this in the way he campaigned thinking he is not interested in the Democratic Party but rather establishing a personality cult. I thought it for about 10 seconds and forgot it in my hubris of hope.
Great youtube. Remembering Gallipoli is the heart of Anzac Day, April 25th.
I am not defending the moderates. I understand the yellow lines/dead armadillo stuf.
The point is that the American electorate self-identifies as 20% progressive, 40% moderate and 40% conservative.
It is this that explains a good deal of the last three decades of our politics.
Word game, like comparing 1940′s leather, faceguardless football helmets to today’s. Today’s moderates are not very moderate, even by today’s standards, let alone those of the 1970′s. They are conservative and sometimes arch-conservative.
The really sad thing about the PO was that it cut across the lines you lay out. Progressives had an opportunity to implement a progressive idea that had broad popular support.
And Obama killed it. And EVERYONE knows it. Even Ezra and MY.
Yes, but when you ask them about specific issues without labeling them they end up choosing progressive positions almost exclusively. But you never hear that. In part, that’s what explains the politics of today.
What percentage are libertarian? And which percentage are independent? Which are none of the above? Is the mix changing since Obama took office?
What scares me is the mandate. The Obama admin is herding us into the insurance company corral and if we resist? We get zapped with the “cattle prod” of fines. And if you don’t think another mandated corral is not being built down the road, just wait. It will happen for something else we the sheep won’t have any control over.
In the extended analogy of Paths of Glory that makes Obama — Marshal Petain!
Ouch.
“Independents” are a crock. They have no underlying philosophy of life and drift from one soundbite to another. They vote on single issues, which tend to be emotionally driven by how the politician presents it.
I hear that “being wrong” is an Olympic event in ’12. Staying in shape?
Independents are orphans. Where’s, for instance, a social anarchist to turn to?
Here is the data. http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1042/winds-of-political-change-havent–shifted-publics-ideology-balance
Make of it what you will.
I disagree. Independents are people who vote for the lesser of two evils, and the way things have been working with the Dems and Repubs (and other now-defunct parties) for the past 200 years or so, I think they have more integrity than those that vote the party-line.
even i’m not that cynical without some study to provide some support. just don’t know enough to venture even a guess.
“In 2000, “issue awareness” – knowledge of the stands of the candidate-producing organizations on issues – reached an all-time low. Currently available evidence suggests it may have been even lower in 2004. About 10% of voters said their choice would be based on the candidate’s “agendas/ideas/platforms/goals”; 6% for Bush voters, 13% for Kerry voters (Gallup). The rest would vote for what the industry calls “qualities” or “values,” which are the political counterpart to toothpaste ads.”
“Greatest failure” is an overstatement. I would rate Field Marshall Haig the war’s greatest failure, though it’s a close run thing with the odd French counterpart. There were battles that cost more lives than the number of Americans lost in Vietnam. But there were so many choices, even small ones like the British decision not to issue parachutes to their pilots. The planes were more valuable than their crews and they wanted them back, the planes that is.
i’m in the improved medicare for all camp. but there are stupid public options and there are not stupid public options. i’m not going to get all excited over a stupid po or the congress critter who proposes it as though it was the greatest thing because he doesn’t know the difference.
same here. as in did not make my day. :(
non-specific criticisms from a detailed numbers guys. swell. if nate has a real case, then imo he needs to make it with some real evidence.
kucinich is a pol who actually stood up to the banksters (i was in cleveland at the time). wish we had more of them right now. from wikipedia:
i’m not much impressed by the “fix it later” story. ymmv.
heh, who is, selise. Trust them? I don’t think so.
Lieberman, yes. Bernie, not so much, could use a lot more like him in place of the corporadems/DLCers.
A two-fer: Threat to a principled Dem (of the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party, as Paul Wellstone used to say) gives pause to other liberals and progressives and it moves the Overton Window ever rightward.
Now, this would seem to be a Repub type move, but perhaps a Dem who channels St. Ronnie finds it appropriate as well.
Avedon ended one of her posts commenting on why the Obama health insurance BAILOUT is NOT a “huge progressive victory” (from Seth Ackerman at Tiny Revolution) this way:
I added:
More like Bernie, a Socialist! Agreed.
We need more states where people can run on multiple party lines, where a Socialist could run on the Democratic line as well.
Democratic Socialist sounds good to me.
I think Nate means Kucinich has not sucked up to the Democratic Party leadership, or kowtowed to Rahm, or paid homage to corporatists and their lobbyists. That stance has kept him in office for a working class district, and allowed him to avoid losing his soul like Lieberman and to avoid the gross hypocrisies of Dodd and Schumer.
“He hasn’t achieved much” is Nate’s code for Kucinich being an outsider who won’t play ball with the insiders. Someone, at least, knows the difference between principle and Obama’s principle-less use of the tactic called “pragmatism”. Thank you, Dennis.
not like they’ve given us much reason to trust them. just the opposite. :(
No, we don’t have to trust them. We can trust their replacements!
Hopefully.
gotcha. thanks.
Modern politics is amazing. I thought Madison Avenue could sell just about anything – think Swiffers replacing brooms, but they’ve got nothing on the political elite in this country. Where else in the world could supposedly intelligent people be convinced that voting to stuff a shit sandwich down the throats of the public would be more beneficial to them than not doing so? All for some elusive benefit to the Party that nobody believes in. Even GOPers can spell EVIL MANDATE well enough to use in the ads that will sink dozens of Democratic politicians. And deservedly so.
It’s obvious at this point that the progressives in Congress are going to cave and vote for this thing. The other obvious thing is that nobody, and especially the WH, any fear of progressive backlash. The best thing progressives can do now is to loudly and decisively end Blanche Lincoln’s career in the Senate. That’s the only thing these people understand besides $$$.
excellent!
OT – powwow, if you are still around…. i not around much last week but did call sp’s office several times (in early part of the week, but never got through. did leave voice mail and will try again tomorrow). more later…..
Thank you for this. I’m saving it for future re-reading and sending to friends.
[As well as the responses to digifyouwill by duncan @ 15, BooRadley @ 19 and Phoenix Woman @ 23.]
This, from the Cleveland Plain Dealer article @ 28 that selise tracked down, underlines something for me that I think the opponents of the public option-free Senate health care bill may be missing, and ought to work to formulate, as part of a renewed campaign to pressure Congress:
In short, Dennis Kucinich should not now be left out there almost on his own to explain the Senate bill’s flaws, in an effort to justify his opposition to it, while the pressure on him to shut up is at its most intense, however much those flaws may have been discussed and carefully dissected here and elsewhere before this week.
That is, I think that what’s needed now is a concise, but substantively detailed, Fact Sheet, contrasting side by side the most widespread claims of the bill’s proponents (such as those voiced by digifyouwill @ 7) with the bill’s actual language and expert analysis proving those claims to be false (such as that summarized by the responses of duncan, BooRadley and PhoenixWoman). All in a printable, easily-grasped format, for future reference. ["Talking points" in a way, that is, except points that let the evidence do most of the talking. Perhaps modeled on the excellent, large New York Times anti-FISA Amendments Act ad that Jane and Glenn and others put together.]
Those blogwriters opposing this bill’s passage can also then immediately point to and stand on a list of substantive reasons for their opposition, which expose the claims of the proponents as pie-in-the-sky, as those proponents resort only to namecalling and taunts in response.
Those who have long tracked the pros and cons of the debate have managed to pick up over the months a few key points about the major provisions of the Senate bill to enable them to make their own judgements, but at this time a clear pro/con summary is needed for those who haven’t been able to so closely track the debate, and who are thus now wide open and vulnerable to the propaganda of the Party (and the media) about its legislation.
Such a clear explanation would also help expose the forthcoming lies or mischaracterizations of Members of Congress about the bill and their vote(s) for it while, perhaps most importantly, supporting Dennis Kucinich, and any colleagues who join him, in his lonely public effort to exercise his own independent best judgement as a Member of Congress about what will most benefit, or hurt, his constituents and the nation as a whole. Supporting, in other words, those in Congress actually doing their duty as self-governing federal representatives and legislators, in the teeth of public and private pressures to silently conform to the will of others – pressures that implicitly or explicitly threaten uninformed and misleading public ridicule like that which Kos so shamefully doled out to Kucinich on behalf of the corrupt status quo the other day.
Well you guys should see the commercial that Larry Kissell is running in the 8th district of NC(where I live). I swear to god I thought a republican was running this add. It talks about ramming a health care bill down our throat and how he’s fought the liberals. It pisses me off I worked for this guy in 2 elections. And I’m really pissed off at him, and then there is this cat running as a republican that is really scary. If you want some scary check this out-http://www.timvote.com/. I’m saying fark it, fark it all to hell. I hate em all.
I don’t trust this data. Who is paying Pew Research for their study? I looked at their website– turns out you can only get a list of donors if you write its president. What the hell???
Good to know, selise. I’ve been wondering.
That analysis/comment I referenced in the last thread in which we discussed this is long, and getting longer. I’ve basically turned it into an ‘art of the two-speech rule in a real filibuster’ exercise, to try to demonstrate how things would or could (or not) proceed on the floor. In it, I’m assuming that your diary – whether it’s another working thread or a final diary – will be referencing and excerpting the 1986 debate you unearthed, along with Byrd’s recent letter, and any Senate Parliamentarian feedback you can pin down.
[You're most welcome, michelle @ 158.]
Your six stages of projects in horrifically right on and tears my gut; having gone through some of the early stages, but hopefully with the grace to not have completed that cycle.
I’ve wondered how the Lake folks who have been so committed to getting HCR done will cope with failure. which is inevitable on so many fronts, even if the bill passes. One of the commenters above suggests that we will cope because we have each other. I understand that and agree that shared despair is a hell of a lot better than isolated despair, just as with joyous victory.
Thank God for the communities of grace!
Blessings
powwow, which thread are you referring to? i want to make sure i haven’t missed any of them. i have to run (will be back later tonight) but wanted to catch you on this thread while i could. many apologies for not being around as much as i would have liked (or planned to be). hopefully this coming week will be better.
p.s. i received the 2 reports (by richard beth) i’d requested via my rep’s office. will try to post them soon for down loading if you or anyone else is interested (have to get them scanned first – i received them as hard copy via snail mail).
I fear for the republic too.
I saw an article and map the other day about the open arms bills, or lack thereof and was appalled to see that MOST American states allow open carrying of arms, including California! That scared me silly. If the revolution is coming it will certainly be empowered by our failure to control guns, and then there’s the establishment’s counter forces available to Obama, et al that we feared in Bush’s reign.
Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy
Blessings
I think you folks all work yourselves up into a lather sometimes.
Even if we get the public option (and there is still a chance, right?), health care delivery is so messed up in America that you might look back on these posts 5 years from now and laugh.
It is good to keep emphasizing the role of money corruption in American politics.
“The new empire will be built upon the old one’s ashes. We will get our PO or our Single Payer system. The People will not stand for anything less.”
There was a sociologist named Pareto who wrote about revolutionary changes in history and I think concluded that most of the outcomes was just a circulation of elites that essentially perpetuated the old injustices and madnesses.
We have seen that Obama’s reign is simply a continuation of Bush’s egregious insanities and that the elites continue to reign.
I think there is not a whole lot of hope even if by some incredible miracle we could get Medicare for all.
Blessings
His first 2 films, Fear and Desire and Killer’s Kiss, were original screenplays. They are also his worst movies.
Jane –
Poignant.
Perceptive.
Depressingly accurate.
It must have hurt to write this.
I agree. My newest: “Obama is not a socialist. I should know. I am.” I refuse to waste the enormous amount of time many have spent for over two decades advocating for “Social Democracy” and foretelling this time. We need a lot more to speak up: “Obama is no Socialist. He is a Corporatist.” As Chomsky said recently (paraphrased), “Calling Obama a socialist, is an insult.” It’s time the gloves come off.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/33589
The health care struggle has been interesting from the standpoint that it has made it clear to even more people, if they hadn’t figured it out during the Bush years, just how deceptive and disingenuous the democrats are when it comes to enacting progressive policies. What’s more interesting, though, is the view we’ve been able to get of our own de facto progressive community leaders when it comes to fighting for truly progressive policy. What we see is that most of them, at the end of the day, are simply unwilling to part ways with the Democratic Party leadership. I was going to name names, but what’s the point? The fact remains that our political patronage system is extremely effective at creating divisions among progressive leaders. Perhaps the question will always come down to how much people hate the rigged system. Obviously many progressives are willing to accept crumbs from a rigged political system, even willing to strengthen that system in a quid pro quo, while others aren’t.
Oh, well, let’s not get all sympathetic, the soldiers were conscripts. They didn’t lie to us to get elected then rely on the ‘rotating villian’ act to obfuscate their deciets like our so called representatives. These people chose to represent us, if they can’t do that, fuck em
Where’s Mr Weiner, and why is he not backing Kucinich? Little too hot for little Anthony? Franken? Feingold?
Hmm.
In a lot of cases, it’s a simple distaste for “hippies”. Which has lasted over forty years. For instance, there’s lots of evidence to show that while most Americans disliked the Vietnam War, they disliked and feared the hippies far more — and so voted for “law and order” Richard Nixon in 1968 in order to spite them.
Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance … period.
Eh, not so much. Been here for a while. Sometimes you realize you’ve made a leap and you haven’t bothered to catch people up.
Seemed like a good time.
selise,
Pete Stark is my congressman. I heard him modestly propose his buy in well over a year ago at a town hall after the election and before the tea party nuts were a gleam in Dick Armey’s eye.
Pete’s been in DC too much this past year, his local visits are fewer and I can’t fit them into my schedule, but I’ve heard a few of his telephone town halls where his energy seemed drained.
One on Monday or Tuesday night last week was quite telling. Quite a few of the callers were from blue collar San Leandro, obvious FoxNews viewers. Nearly all on Medicare. Low information voters. They were polite, a bit curious but fearful as a result of disinformation campaigns. Not tea party nuts, but easily persuaded to be fearful.
Pete has/d to support a bill that he knew was far less effective that what he proposed. Over a year ago Pete made veiled references that Rahm was running things his way. I took that to mean that Pete could propose but Rahm called the shots. Perhaps it was Obama calling the shots to killed Private Option after all.
Meanwhile, the callers knew so little and were still raising canards he couldn’t get them to ever comprehend how misinformed they were.
I called his office the next day and gave a few comments about how ticked off I was with elimination of the Public Option, much less Single Payer or Medicare for All. I appreciated Pete’s efforts. The staffer was also discouraged. Pete’s more politically savvy than Dennis, I would say more easily manipulated because he wants to stay Chairman, but I also think he is still sufficiently idealistic to see what he can get.
If the current bill passes will we ever see Single Payer?
If the current bill fails will guys like Pete Stark get so frustrated they name names?
Congressional majorities forever, well at least until next year, oh maybe tomorrow or at least after noon.
The times they are a changin’.
From a friend of mine who shall remain nameless…
recent bumper sticker: Tea parties are for little girls.
Fascinating point.
I think the moment for us today is if the Senate bill were ‘fixed’ with a reconciliation bill that doesn’t include a Public Option.
If that were handed to the House would they vote it down?
If the House votes first, but then the Senate fails to pass a reconciliation ‘fix’ without a P.O. what might the House do thereafter?
You people are all very, very scary.
Where’s the Kissel ad? Would love to see it.
All I can find is this attack ad on Larry by MoveOn.
Outrageous.
Not as scary as that goddamned mole. You should have it looked at, by a plan physician.
Try the Veal Pen(ne).
Very good point. Fleming really makes clear that the lead anti-war senator, Bob LaFollette, was the voice of reason.
On the way back to his office, someone handed La Follette a rope, suggesting he should — or might — meet a traitor’s death. The next day, around 4 p.m. Senator La Follette rose to explain why he opposed war with Germany. He opened with a brief, almost curt attack on the idea that every senator should “stand behind the president.” What kind of doctrine was that, he asked? What if the president was wrong?
World War I’s Forgotten Hero
We live in an upside down world. What is wrong with moveon.org.? Amazing, simply amazing!
“If this is the best we can do after the nation pours its collective hope into something, it really is the end of empire.”
It’s the *beginning* of empire. The end of the representative Republic.
The name “Dien Bien Phu” immediately came to mind.
I fully expect that voting for the shit sandwich will be IMMENSELY beneficial to the ones doing the voting — whether they survive the 2010 elections or not.