After Dick Durbin (D-IL) got attacked for saying that he would whip against the public option, he sent out his spokesman to lie about reconciliation in a pathetic attempt to justify Durbin’s role in trying to kill the public option. (Which is curious because we were told we could not have a public option because there were not the votes to pass it in the Senate–if there aren’t the votes, why would Durbin need to whip the no votes.) Durbin spokesman Joe Shoemaker’s illegitimate excuse for Durbin’s plan to whip against the public option is that it would change the reconciliation measure, causing it to go back to the House for a final vote after passing the Senate:
I want to be crystal clear: Sen. Durbin and the rest of the Senate Leadership will be aggressively whipping FOR the public option if it is included in the reconciliation bill the House sends over. Conversely, the Leaders will whip against any attempt to alter or amend the bill if the public option is not in it (or as your email says – whip against adding the public option as an amendment in the Senate.)
The reason is simple. There can be no amendments – good or bad – to the reconciliation bill once the House passes it and sends it to the Senate. The House will not do step one (passing the Senate healthcare bill in the first place) if they do not have assurances that the fixes they want (i.e., the fixes in their reconciliation bill) will be passed unchanged by the Senate.
This excuse is pure nonsense because the House simply can never get assurances that the reconciliation bill that they pass will pass the Senate unchanged. It is almost guaranteed that it will need to go back to the House for one final vote.
It is basically impossible to create a Byrd-rule-proof reconciliation bill. No matter how hard you work on it, there will almost always be one small provision on which Republicans could call a legitimate Byrd rule point of order. That would cause the provision to be removed unless it gets 60 votes to waive the Byrd rule. Since all 41 Republicans said they will never vote to waive a Byrd rule, that means any small offending provision could be removed. That would slightly change the bill, and force it to return to the House to be voted on again so that both chambers pass the exact same bill.
The only way you could assure the House that the reconciliation bill would pass the Senate unchanged is if Vice President Joe Biden declares that he is prepared to play real hardball, using his power as President of the Senate to ignore the parliamentarian’s decision and reject all Byrd rule points of order, legitimate or not.
Of course, if Joe Biden is prepared to do that, effectively nullify the Byrd rule, there is zero reason the House Democrats need to vote for the politically toxic Senate bill as is. They could pass a “new,” merged comprehensive health care reform bill that deals with all the House’s problems using reconciliation, with Biden nullifying the Byrd rule, so it can pass the Senate unchanged with only a simple majority.
Until I hear Biden declare he is prepared to play real hardball with the reconciliation rules, the excuse from Durbin’s office stinks to high heaven.




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Jon,
I don’t agree with your interpretation of the words of Durbin’s spokesman or of Durbin’s reasons for saying that the Senate leadership will whip FOR a public option if – and only if – it’s included in the House’s reconciliation package.
As I understand it, the House is working on a way to pass the Senate’s version WITH reconciliation “fixes” in a single vote in the House. Once that’s done, the Senate can use reconciliation to pass whatever the House sends over with a simple majority, an up-or-down vote.
What Durbin wants to avoid is the need to open the bill up in the Senate to any amendments. I think he may have a point. The Senate’s broken.
Jon, I think you’re right when you say there will likely be some change to the House reconciliation package in the Senate. Still, leadership is going to try and make that not so, it seems.
Pelosi: Public option ‘not in reconciliation’
“We had it. We wanted it,” Pelosi told reporters at a press briefing, according to the Washington Post Plum Line’s Greg Sargent. “It’s not in reconciliation. We’re talking about something that’s not going to be part of the legislation.”
http://rawstory.com/2010/03/pelosi-public-option-dead/
The voting public, when fully versed in the details, will reject these politicians. Do they think Americans are that stupid and won’t recognize they are being stolen from ? This won’t end well.
Pelosi now has assurance from Senate leadership that they will make it pass if she puts it in the House’s reconciliation package and gets it passed in the House.
Pelosi should not be allowed to give up so easily.
The votes to pass such a reconciliation package should be whipped in the House right now so it can pass and be sent to the Senate.
so you admit he lied? there is no way to pass it “unchanged”
The PO is a POS.
I understand the desire to see some firming of Democrat’s backbone, but the net result would hardly affect the overriding intent of this HCR legislation, which, imo, serves to bail out the Insurance industry.
Kill the bill, and let’s move onto Medicare for all. I want to see Republicans run against that!
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: IE Coalition Releases First Major Ad Against Blanche Lincoln
This turn against the public option and the citizens who are not rich, does not bode well for Durbin’s service on the Obama debt commission. I hoped he would be a progressive counterbalance to Reid’s moronic selection of New Democrats Baucus and Conrad, but now I fear Durbin will just go along with the President and other members intent on cutting Social Security, raising retirment age to 72, and eliminating Medicare for seniors with more than a bare minimum of assets, which is the Orzag, Gregg and Conrad plan, financed by Peter Peterson, of Blackrock fame.
Hear the complete silence from the White House about the Public Option
When Obama, Robert Gibbs, David Axelrod, David Plouffe come begging, lying, and crying for votes in the 2012 Presidential Democratic Primary the way they treated the Public Option is the way we should treat them.
We all need to whisper NO.
well, no. There certainly is a way to pass it unchanged, and I have no doubt Senate leadership will try to make that happen. I just see it as unlikely to succeed.
it’s an out and out mugging, aided by imbeciles at Kos and the Chamber of Commerce.
If the House gets assurance from the Senate that it will pass in reconciliation what it receives, then there is no reason that the House can remove the most odious provisions which the Senate included and to include a strong public plan.
Pelosi given such a strong hand in shaping HCR must take full advantage and get as much meaningful reform as she can from House Democrats. The shaping of reform now lies with her and the Senate has appropriately become what it has shown itself to be, an obstructing irrelevancy.
Yes, Durbin whipping against the PO.. Pelosi now saying the House won’t add one….
it all makes sense when you finally admit what your eyes and ears have been seeing and hearing for some time now.
THE SENATE BILL, as is, is the bill that THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTS PASSED. Period. Anyone not believing that just hasn’t been paying attention. They’ve splattered the airwaves with a lot of bullshit to make it seem like they really wanted more, if only the votes, etc. etc. etc. etc. And that’s all it is, bullshit.
This bill, with very minor tweaks (and that’s only so they can say they “fixed” it) is what the Democratic Party wants, from the President, to Reid, to Pelosi, and to every D member of Congress that ultimately votes for it.
Now it’s up to us to make them own it.
Funny, the silence sounded so different 6 months ago:
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/president-obama-strongly-supports-publi
Now, who doesn’t hate being lied to?
- Tom
Durbin’s take on reconciliation reminded me of the following:
I expect that was the original draft candidate Obama received from representatives of the medical insurance industry during the transition period.
And, yes, it’s another bailout of a corrupt system. That’s the main motivating force behind this drive for still more runaway grand larceny.
I am totally confused by all the claims and counterclaims from Durbin. One thing is crystal clear, however: if Obama had wanted a single-payer or proto single-payer plan that would have protected us from a predatory, for-profit insurance system, he would have pushed for a Medicare buy-in or PO. This wasn’t a failure of leadership or imagination. This was a capitulation and sellout, and there won’t be a second chance from me.
Pelosi’s office isn’t even bothering to pick up the phone any longer.
Please be kind to Durbin. We all know how easily he goes to tears. That is probably why his voice is always so annoyingly hoarse.
Pelosi says there will be no public option in the House bill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Kill the bill and defeat Democrats in 2010 and 2012. Let the Republicans regain control and speed the crash to the bottom. Then the American people may finally get off their sofas and away from their keyboards and hit the streets for the 2nd American Revolution.
Maybe Markos will now get that Obama appointment he dreams about.
Do you ever get the felling that the all the members of Democratic Party are grifters and we Democratic voters are the marks?
(WH) I’m your friend. It’s the Senate that’s screwing you.
(S) I’m your friend. It’s the WH who wont lead.
(H) I’m your friend. It’s the S and WH that’s blocking progress.
Who’s on first today?
Of course they think Americans are that dumb. They also realize Americans are passive and won’t do a damn thing about it.
We are witnessing the beginning of the end of what was once a great political party. Made its death be quick and merciful, for what it’s doing to us is not.
Also, if Kucinish persists in holding out and helps kill this travesty, anybody wanna bet that his credibility as a 2012 primary challenger will go up…waaay up?
Nancy Pelosi has again let the crazy and insane people at the WHite House and the “POS” we call Senate Dems throw her over board.
House Dems, like Charlie Cook, David Gergen, and others have told you run away from this White House.
Remember the White House and POS we call Senate Dems want you to pass a Health Care scam that 54% of american citizens HATE.
Do you think once you pass the Obama and Max Baucus Health Care Scam Bill, the american people are going to love you? If you do, you need to get slaughtered in November.
Nancy, Nancy? Nancy? when will you learn, you are surrounded by enemies?
The White House and Senate Dems consider house dems waste product.
Obama agenda is simple, get rid of the Dem majorities in congress, so he can work with his real friends republicans, he already develop a republican health care bill.
The conversation’s a little more erudite here than it was on the old Trib Review Pirates forum, isn’t it? Mazwasagod.
In that case I would recommend that Kuccinich hire body guards and not fly on any small airplanes.
I’m with you on that. Be careful starting his car, and have someone taste his food first.
good luck finding a vegan food taster. But, kidding aside, I stand with Kucinich. My daughter, whose car is festooned with kucinich stickers, brought me into the fold.
i dunno. The higher information swing voter knows what’s up, but yes still passive and indeed nowhere to turn come election day. Especially on an issue like this that is so close to people-money and health, they take an interest in that. Seems like political suicide, or the junta just backs them up with vote fraud or installs corporatists with an R instead of a D, and the merry go round spins.
What people should tell them is “Gee we’re sorry, we’d really like to help you but the votes just aren’t there…”
Pelosi is providing cover for ‘em now.
She just said she would not include the PO.
So there……Dem leadership for ya,willing to scuttle what Americans want.
Just like the war funding.
As long as it’s the R party that gets the votes, and not someone who might actually do something that upsets the barons, they don’t actually care. If you look at politics in the US as a bread-and-circus just as tightly scripted and choreographed as any WWE show (as a diarist just recently pointed out) the “bad moves” start to make more sense.
(Jon Walker doesn’t appear to agree with this point of view, or at least writes for those who don’t.)
Yeah, I don’t disagree with that.
Mr. Grayson has a new diary up at Seminal, for anyone who would like to discuss his bill with him. Thought you all would like to know.
Well we now know where the major players stand so no need for further speculation.
Obama has left no doubt that he is happy with a health bill that increases the private profit of an inefficient insurance cartel and tellingly has said he does begrudge anyone making a profit even if those profits come from the impoverishment of the public. At the same time we are told that he favors the PO.
The Senate has been blatant in allowing the very same insurance cartel to write the health care bill to its liking and assuring that their monopoly status is assured. At the same time we are told that there is enough votes for the PO.
The House is voluntarily backing away from its health bill which initialy supported the removal of the insurance cartel monopoly status and introduced direct competition to the the profits of private insurers. At the same time we are told they too support the PO but will not consider its passage.
So given this inconsistent and absurd handling of health system reform who can now wonder how and why it became such a mess to begin with. Just look at the people who deal with it.
To achieve valid health reform the options for the people, especially the left will require some fortitude. As expected we are hearing from every quarter that the unreformed Senate bill is really no that bad and actually good enogh to pass. This onslaught of propagandizing should be dismissed out hand. This Senate bill as opposed to other perfectly viable and doable alternate plans was a piece of crap yesterday and remains so today.
We need to make it perfectly clear by direct action and funding beginning now to support Kucinich for president and raise his profile. The Democrats in government should know that they already lost the left and we should set about seeking people who will side with our priorities.
A medicare buy in, to be more prcise, so there can be no “cost” whining by the Repugs.
Now I understand nothing any more. Can someone please answer me the following. Is Nancy Pelosi now the currently designated, “rotating villain”?
Right OFG.
Looks like it, thanks for the reminder. Scumbags, all of them.
I don’t want Dennis to be President. I want him to be EMPEROR!
She’s rotating back and forth with Durbin.
If we don’t get a public option after Pelosi said it should be so, then not only will Americans continue to get screwed by “big insurers”, but the Republicans will be taking over in November. As an independent who voted for Obama, I will be one to either stay home or switch to a candidate other than one running as a Democrat. So to Pelosi, Durbin and their minions, bye-bye—-