Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) is demanding that the abortion language in health care reform be fixed before they pass the current comprehensive Senate health care bill in the House. In itself this is not an insane request given that once the bill passes, Stupak has no more leverage. With almost 300 House bills stalled in the Senate, there is no reason to believe they would actually get to a Stupak abortion bill. In theory, Stupak’s request could be done with a sidebar bill with a self-executing measure so that the Senate health care bill passes with the same vote on a sidebar bill containing the Stupak language. The problem is Senate Republicans will probably not play along.
The sidebar bill with the Stupak language would first need to pass the Senate. While the Republican Senate Caucus contains many anti-abortion members, they are saying they will not vote for the Stupak language if it means enabling the health care bill to eventually pass. Even if pro-choice Senate Democrats could be whipped to vote for the Stupak language, Democrats would still be one vote shy of overcoming a filibuster or waiving the Byrd rule. Of course If the Senate health care bill already passed the House and was signed into law the pro-life Republican senators would have no reason to oppose a follow-up stand alone Stupak abortion bill. That would be unacceptable to Stupak and that follow-up bill could likely be killed by pro-choice senators.
There seems no way out of this stand off without one side giving in. It’s possible some pro-life groups could whip a few Republicans senators to vote for the sidebar bill in effect helping to pass health care reform but that seems very unlikely. Unless Stupak’s gang backs down or Pelosi can find enough votes without them it would appear the only potential strategy might be for Vice President Joe Biden to play hardball by using his power as the president of the Senate to effectively nullify the Byrd rule in the Senate during reconciliation.
Of course if Biden is willing to take that bold step there is no reason to put the House and Senate Democrats through this whole complicated mess. There would also be no need to force House Democrats to vote for the unpopular Senate bill at all with its many problems and toxic deals. Democrats could just take up a “new” bill which would effectively be a merged version of the House and Senate bill and put the whole bill through reconciliation with Biden ruling against any Byrd rule point of order.
My thinking is if the Democrats are really planning on bending Senate rules for Stupak they might as well bend them for the whole bill to make life way easier. In for a penny, in for a pound.
Update – All 41 Senate Republicans sent a letter making it clear they will vote against waiving the Byrd rule. That would make putting abortion changes in the reconciliation impossible with out hardball measure from Biden.



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Why don’t we ask the Senate to pass the House bill as-is, and Obama can strike the Stupak language in a signing statement?
Charlie Savage and Glenn Greenwald would rend their garments, but it seems to be the way things are done nowadays.
Maybe it’s time to think outside the box. The President can secretly declare Bart Stupak an enemy combatant, and make him disappear without explanation.
The Orange Satan has a diary crowing…
Stupak is giving the rest of them cover. It’s his turn to play the heavy, that’s all.
If she had the votes she would be taking the vote as we speak
I would love for Biden to be the man for the job. He kept his dignity during the Palin debate; makes me think he can do most anything.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jon Walker and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
First of all, thank you for the post you have once again clearly illuminated where we are right now. What we have is a classic American political standoff that begs for the kind of creative and marginally legal politicing that some of the giants in American history thrived on…I of course am thinkin’ of LBJ and the FDR political brain trust of Hopkins and Ickes. What can break up the Stupid 12 (or 11 or 14 or whatever)? Maybe if the White House and the Senate leadership get tagether and build a reconcilliation Christmas tree with Student Loans, jobs and infrastructure and Kucinich’s proposals that he has offered in lieu of a public option, or (be still my heart) a real public option, then maybe you can blow up all oposition to the entire issue by consolidating the frustration of the voting public to all the actions stalled by the fascists. maybe whatchu do is play to every contituency in the Democratic Party coalition that Obama put together, put a solid reconcilliation bill together with everything that has at least 60% approval with the public, pass it in the Senate and then send it with the original bill to the House in good faith.
Of course, the White House shoulda been doin this since last June, instead of playin footsie with Snow White and the Seven Morons on the Senate Finance Committee…but now that it’s clear that Rahm is tied up in the woodshed maybe they can put sumpthin tagether that even Stupid Stupak can’t refuse.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS THING AIN’T OVER ‘TIL WE SAY IT IS!!
SO, Just do it!! Sounds so reasonable.
p.s. and you can thank Phony Nancy Pelosi for the anti-abortion IED. She’s a catholic politico who mouths the words that get NARL, Emily’s List and Now support but she’s as anti-choice as that fuckin’ exNazi, the Pope!
*heh* You certainly live up to your nom de plume…! ;-)
It would seem clear that the health care “reform” effort in the Congress died last year and the legislation is now in an undead, brain-eating zombie phase. Someone needs to get out the torch and put this thing to death, finally.
We should have had a single-payer bill enacted into law last year. If the political ruling class in America and in particular in the Democratic Party really wanted to reform health care, the rest of the developed world has demonstrated a good model to move to. Unfortunately, the real goal of the political ruling class is to protect and enhance the wealth and prerogatives of the health insurance and pharmaceutical cartels in the health care context, and the wealth and prerogatives of the plutocracy in general.
No good health care legislation is going to come from this Congress or White House. The status quo is terrible but it can and will be made worse if the Congress actually sends a bill to Obama. Let’s all just hope together that the damn zombie is put to death by the torch, and soon.
“The Orange Satan”!!! I love it! Brilliant!
Not that I’m a fan of seeing the Senate bill pass as is with mandate and no PO (however measly), why is it that the Stupak bloc is considered as unitary. I have to believe there are efforts to peel off individual members of it. No?
*heh* That’s a long time Fire Pup pet name for DK…! ;-)
I’m gonna start callin’ you Zippo.
Hey, Bro…! How’s Floridaze doing..? ;-)
It’s actually warming up. Squirrels are really hungry and waiting for me when I get home. Hope the freezes didn’t kill my wild bees and they return soon. The campaign to unseat Young is underway. Fired up and ready to go. Life is good.
This is about as unsolvable as a 2nd grade math problem. Stupak is against abortion funding but is in favor of a public option plan. A majority of the House is in favor of a public option plan. IF there isn’t already a Senate majority of a public option plan then if Obama FINALLY started whipping Senate moderates, there would be one within a couple of hours. Democrats are blocked by Republicans from adding the Stupak Amendment by reconciliation, and the final piece of the puzzle, Medicare is bound by the Hyde Amendment abortion restrictions (in 1998, Clinton HHS Secretary Donna Shalala stated “Medicare trust funds will be administered consistent with the Hyde criteria”).
http://www.nchla.org/datasource/ifactsheets/4FSHydeAm22a.08.pdf
So there’s no Stupak roadblock (and no need to vote for the Senate bill) if the House passed simply passed a HCR reconciliation bill that moves Medicaid, SCHIP and everyone under 200% FPL to the Medicare system and provides everyone else a Medicare buy-in with income-scaled premiums. Oh I don’t know… something like this– H.R.193 – AmeriCare Health Care Act
Looks like former state trooper Stupak has a primary challenger.
- Tom
I keep forgetting to add my new sig line :o)
I’m not saying the Harlem Globetrotters aren’t a solid team, but I’m starting to think the Washington Generals aren’t even trying to win.
Why do you say the Pope is an “ex”-Nazi?
Speaking of the Great Orange Ostrich Haven…
A front-pager tries to recover from Kos’ “We’re gonna primary that damned liberal!” misstep… by doubling down on teh stupid:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/10/844922/-Forty-One-Pro-Choice-Republican-Senators
BarbinMD has has written cogent commentary before… but this isn’t one of those cases.