The Obama administration, in its push to get the House to vote for the Senate’s health care reform bill unchanged, is pointing to the serious issue of lack of competition in the health insurance market as a powerful reason for reform. Obama’s health care proposal, however, no longer does much to actually solve the problem. From the White House Blog:
On Wednesday, a leading insurance broker laid out in clear terms what many Americans could already guess: the insurers’ monopoly is so strong that they can continue to jack up rates as much as they like – even if it means losing customers – and their profits will continue to soar under the status quo.
Speaking about the lack of competition – a key target of reform – broker Steve Lewis told investors on a conference call organized by Wall Street giant Goldman Sachs:
“Not only is price competition down from year ago (when we had characterized last year’s price competition as being down from the prior year), but trend or (healthcare) inflation is also up and appears to be rising. The incumbent carriers seem more willing than ever to walk away from existing business resulting in some carrier changes…”
The few elements of this health care reform push that could have helped deal with the issue of “insurers’ monopoly” have been removed, and Obama is making no effort to add them back. In fact, his administration is actively trying to suppress attempts by others to reintegrate such measures into the legislation.
Repealing the anti-trust exemption was in the House bill–but it is not in the Senate bill or Obama’s health care proposal. Also in the House bill, but missing from Obama’s proposal, is a national exchange and a national public health insurance option. All three proposals could have helped with the issue of the monopoly power of insurers.
The Senate bill does, technically, contain money for new insurance co-ops, but Kent Conrad (D-ND) and Max Baucus (D-MT) completely crippled the co-ops with weird restrictions, which will protect the current health insurance companies. The bill calls for one co-op per state, even though that is unfeasible in small/mid-size states, and co-ops are legally prevented from pooling their negotiating power to get better rates with providers. Baucus so crippled the co-ops program that the CBO says they are basically destined to fail.
If Democrats really want competition among many non-profit insurers–like in Belgium, Germany, Japan, and Switzerland–and want to bring down cost, then they need to create a central reimbursement negotiator that would result in an all-payer system. Only when all insurers are paying the same reimbursement rates, can new, small competitors ever hope of breaking into a new market. As long as large size allows the big monopoly insurers to get better rates with providers, you will always have market share snowballing to a few big insurance companies.
The lack of competition, the monopoly power of the insurers, is a huge problem with our health care system. Unfortunately, the Obama administration has not made taking on the big insurance companies a policy priority, and the president’s proposal does not take the big steps to fix the problem. If Obama really thought the reports, like this one from Goldman Sachs, were the reason we need health care reform, he would be fighting to include actual solutions to the problem, like repealing insurers’ anti-trust exemption, creating a public option, a national exchange, a central reimbursement negotiator (all-payer system), and/or making the co-ops at least workable.



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This seems like more deliberate obfuscation of the truth by the O admin. Muddy the waters so voters won’t understand what’s in the bill…like voters won’t notice that their rates will continue to rise astronomically while there is no significant improvement in coverage. *sigh*
Why is the Obama administration trying to kill citizens of this country? Why is the Obama administration trying to kill the economy of this country?
As they complete their plan they are crippling the world economy. Why?
I know these are general statements and it sounds rather paranoid and hopeless but what is going on? Who are these people? They are the worst that could have replaced the Bush Administration. Doesn’t matter if they are R’s or D’s. WTF?
It’s on television, therefore it is not factual. It might be entertaining if it weren’t for the dying people.
Why do you think they came to present their plans for further crimes on television?
Obama isn’t delivering for anyone. HIR will not save the democratic party in time for the midterms. Pass the Senate bill, and then pivot onto a reconciliation bill, and then start selling it to the people who disapprove, by the same means they’ve been selling it this far. I don’t see it happening. I see people looking back and realizing what a lie they were told about passing it saving the party for the elections.
After 2006 the dems were disappointing.
After 2008, the same.
I don’t know how they will be able to move many liberal and progressive supporters. I’m done with this administation. I couldn’t believe less in their change. I am at rock bottom with this administration. Most I know feel the same way.
What we all agree on, is we hate hearing that Obama is a liberal, or the most progressive, or that HIR is the greatest progressive accomplishment in X number of years.
What I hate to hear the most is Obama say the Senate bill contains all the best ideas…that’s when you know he is a liar.
Competition among sharks is still just a feeding frenzy.
Take out the harpoon, Uncle Sam.
Competition among sharks is still just a feeding frenzy.
Ha! Comment of the day.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jon Walker and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Another fine post Citizen Walker but I’m convinced that this fight is no longer about healthcare reform and I wonder if it ever really was. This fight is about killin’ the Democratic Party majority in the House of Representatives and I think that has been the target all along. ObamaRahma began at day one tryin to triangulate the progressive Democrats out of the healthcare solution but the fasct Republicans wouldn’t play. At this point if Democrats kill the Senate bill they force a real healthcare debate into the November elections and the only people who lose from this Congress are gunna be Blue Dogs and their fellow travelers. Even if the Democrats lose the House, as long as it’s Blue Dogs and DINOs that get wacked, the Demovcratic caucus will be solid and Obama won’t be able to triangulate with Republicans because, of course, they won’t play but even if they do he won’t be able to budge enough progressives to pass anything out of the House. If Progressives can kill this bill the only skin Rahm will have to hang on his rec-room wall will be Obama’s but progressives actually stand to win in the long run.
It is because they are fixed focus on cost cutting by limiting care. When death becomes the traditional way to solve budget problems. Look out.
We have lots of money in this country. They should be looking to how to get some of it from the top 5% wealthy in taxes. How long has it been since anyone suggested even a modest increase in income taxes?
Obama has certainly done a lot for the insurance monopoly, kind of clinching the deal by making everyone have to buy insurance from these Cigna-Aetna Welfare Queens.
New Deal: Social Security
Great Society: Medicare/Medicaid/Civil Rights
Neocon-Neoliberal-Corporatist Era: FAILURE
Thanks for nothing, Obama. Next.
There might still be room for disagreement regarding whether Obama took office with good or bad intentions. Based on the people he chose to surround himself with, I believe the latter. Either way, White House bubble syndrome has taken over, he appears completely oblivious to real world considerations.
Social Security will be on the chopping block soon. I am convinced this will be the tipping point for the general population. I see my neighbors getting angrier by the day and they are generally a passive lot.
Either he was shown the real evidence of the Kennedy murder or he was a neo-con/liberal asshole the entire time. Either way it make him a coward.
Obama has had his eye on social security for awhile. That is the whole point of this deficit commission
Citizen Mary McCummin:
I get so angry when I think about the questions you raise and the very real human cost of this entire reform charade. I believe that it was the sole purpose of the ObamaRahma administration to kill the Democratic Party majority in the House…and at this point I am willing to finish this game of chicken with the leader of the American Likud. When this is over Rahm is history, the question is will Obama’s failure with healthcare be hung around his neck or around Progressives…I’m bettin on Obama’s neck gettin’ stretched here. There is still time to save this whole issue, but not unbless Progressive take the fight with the White House out in the open.
It is phenomenally stupid that unemployed teabaggers (most in the 15 percent tax bracket, but unemployed none-the-less) believe that their biggest concern is excessive federal income tax. But Brian Willams keeps telling then that and they believe it.
Simple-minded Dubya Soundbite: Lowering taxes keeps more money in your pocket. (Even when you don’t have a fucking job).
Perhaps the edge I am reaching is my own. Some days I feel a clarity and anger that borders on the extreme. Having just dealt with a hospital environment and having seen the lack of staff available to the patients I am overwhelmed with anger and impatience.
Back in 1959 the top tax rate was 90%.
Back in the good old days.
It’s imperitive we get this done NOW people, so that Obama keeps his image as an effective leader and three years hence, we can look around at the even wealthier insurance and pharma corps and the sicker and more bankrupt citizenry and say WTF?!
Conspiracy buffs are cretins. Obama is just another corporatist asshole.
Barack Obama came out against any Single Payer even being tabled and with that down the line from one year ago has been pro current AHIP regime.
The Baucus/Conrad Circus had Barack Obama’s pro AHIP fingerprints all over it.The stillborn co-op exchange idea these two chuckleheads came up with should make that plain.
The PO step back idea from all Single Payer considerations being excluded “compromise” has been sidelined,curtailed,bound and choked off.
Who clearly has fingerprints all over what took place with the PO ideas?
Barack Obama
So Barack Obama now wants AHIP in the drivers seat for next ten years and he plainly wants AHIP to benefit from his forced join and pay mandate idea.
So when the headline above is looked at objectively one must conclude or would benefit from concluding Barack Obama sees no problems with his Super AHIP/PhRMA regime becoming law.
For a year this is what Barack Obama wanted and this is where he wanted this HCR Kabuki Play to come out at.
Barack Obama for a year has been sending signals this Super AHIP was what he wanted. Or was that not made clear?
The ObamaBots will suck this ruse up. Count on it. Barack Obama is.
So–whats the problem? Solve what? Barack Obama was for Super AHIP.
For the sake of Mary’s son wake up.
Insurance competition? That is not what this fraudulent HCR was ever going to be about. This is all about AHIP becoming Super AHIP.
Any brain getting adequate oxygen would end up at Universal Single Payer if real and sustainable costs control and best ways of simplicity in healthcare access and delivery were the goal. But that was not Barack Obama’s goal was it? This is about AHIP becoming Super AHIP and making damn sure movement to any Single Payer Plan/Super Medicare Plan is made much more difficult to implement.
Barack Obama should suffer greatly for doing what he is doing here. He has betrayed the American people. If he wanted to control HC costs doing what he is doing was not the way to do it.
Barack Obama gave Americans a HCR mirage while he sabotaged the real solutions.
For what? Obama Super AHIP on forced join/pay platform.
What Barack Obama wanted a year ago. Wanted last week. Wants today and for tomorrow. Americans have been sold out by Mr. Yes We Can.
Yep. That is what I think. These parasites aren’t smart enough to leave the people with just enough to keep them passive.
Jane has a fresh cross-post for us to peruse: Lynn Woolsey: Closing Barn Doors Since 1993
At first glance I assumed that was BS but I just looked it up. Couldn’t find a reference to 1959 but the all time high was 94 percent on income over $200,000 in 1944-’45.
Never been a high earner but if I was only allowed to keep 6 percent of my earnings above $200,000 I’d be a tax exile for certain.
Citizen Mary McCummin:
You have every right to be angry but please don’t let the anger overwhelm ya…that’s why FDL is here and why therre are so many comrads around here who are willin’ ta help you retarget some a that anger. Your health and the health of every American is more important than any cosmetic political “reform” bill…and that’s why I think that Democrats everywhere need to make the fight with the White House public. Obama’s poll numbers need to tank from the Democratic base and people in the House of Representatives need to declare publically that they will kill the bill unless Obama ditches Rahm and pushes thre House version through reconcilliation. Schumer’s “ping pong” strategy is still an option, and so is writing and passing reconcilliation fixes in the Senate before the House moves.
But Obama must take the heat for this failure NOT Democrats.
Dob’t worry at all, there will in the end be no healthcare reform, because there will be no longer an american economy.
Firepups need only spend a bit more time say, on Zerohedge and it will soon become clear that the protracted HCR debate exist in large part only to remove any Wall Street debate from public conversation. By 2020 interest payments on our debt will be 900billion.
Top Tax bracket under Eisenhower was 90 percent. The US financed the rebuilding of Germany after the war. Much of Germany had been bombed to hell. Eisenhower used the tax revenue for that and to build Interstate 95 and other major highways. Works projects.
The fall of the Roman Empire was in part caused by the institution of a flat tax. Progressive taxation in the US has taken a huge hit since 1944.
Republicans have convinced the rubes that their fed taxes at 15 percent are too high.
Who cares what these current bills have or do not have…They aren’t gonna pass anyway. The dems are to busy peeing their pants about getting re-elected to move bills that have already been passed into law to the finish line.
But here’s the really sad truth behind this democrat cluster fuck of inaction…
To their credit the rethugs once again have persuaded the majority of Indies and the white middle class to come down in favor of some thing that will cost them more money while at the same time raises taxes AND increases the national debt.
But here’s the best part – this time they got them to be in favor of not being able to afford health insurance within 18 months!
You have to hand it to’em even though they are allowing 120+ Americans to die every day for lack of health insurance…The rethuglicant obstructionists know how to frame things in fear so that they can use their 41 vote majority without voter recourse to their political and financial benefit while “jamming high insurance rate down the throats” of idiot America.
Only in America – Can people be convinced to be in favor of something that is against their own self interest…
We can generalize that statement to not taking on any large company, even when, as is the case for TBTF, there are clearly cases of fraud and malfeasance. Team Obama, like Bushies before, never saw a piece of land that shouldn’t be exploited nor a large company that shouldn’t receive taxpayer support.
A completive marketplace is diametrically opposed to the current government supported crony capitalism. The sad part is that Obama, by absorbing and extending all of the worst ideas from the previous Administration is setting liberals, who should be completely opposed to the process of making the rich richer, as the fall guys. The malarky about this being some sort of socialism has given legs to the faux populists. There must be a suburb of Chicago called Manchuria.
Proof that you can get most of the people to believe any lie as long as you say it often enough and it is not challenged by people who should know better.
It is obvious that the aim is to impoverish the impoverished more while eliminating life sustaining services.
Even for the corporates it is ultimately suicidal. They will run out of people to feed off of.
“Corporate greed in the morning, corporate greed in the evening, corporate greed at suppertime.” Just sing along with Rahm and Obama, please.
T. R. Reid, whom I had never heard of before yesterday, gave a brilliant talk yesterday on the Sunday CSPAN Book TV show; he has written a book, The Healing of America, in which he surveys ten other liberal democracies, who all have universal health care. He says that we need to make a moral commitment to provide health care for everyone. Instead, it seems that Pres. Obama and the Dems have made a moral commitment to preserving and enhancing corporate greed in health care.
It appears one of the ideas out the Brookings Institute involves annuitizing IRAs and 401ks first. Of course this story is way back from the beginning of the year and all of the other catastrophes of the moment have hidden it. Unless things have changed the effort is being driven by Mark Iwry (previously of Brookings) of the Treasury and Phyllis Borzi of the Department of Labor.
Much like the Bush administration before, it is the things that happen behind the headlines that are acting as shiny objects which we really have to worry about. All they need to do in order to cripple social security is to have enough debt owed in other areas to defend not paying SS some of the money it borrowed. Money taxpayers owe to SS in an era of decreasing tax revenues.
Icelanders, this weekend, voted to not backstop the banks that their government allowed to financially rampage with the expectation that those taxpayers would accept their victimhood passively. Our problems won’t come to vote because crony capitalism doesn’t function in a democracy.
When they can no longer feed off of us easily, and the people rise up, they will just kill us for being so “ungrateful.”
At this point, I can only hope we get a spontaneous viral revolution sparked by unbalanced rage jockeys like Stack and Bedell. Something dramatic is required to make the power elites realize that they are not invulnerable to the public rage they have so thoroughly and deservedly brought upon themselves. I find it supremely ironic that all the “government is the pproblem” rhetoric that the Establishment right has used for decades now makes it easy for unbalanced folks from left or right to decide that the proper target for their rage is the corporate-owned government.
Karma, anyone?
We should have known when he said he admired Ronald Reagan. Only retards admire Ronald Reagan.
The problem with being such an intelligent man who ran such a well planned campaign is that we know beyond the shadow of any doubt that he knows better. He knows that he gutted every provision that would increase competition, so now he finds himself with nothing to sell. Truly the selling of this package boils down to, “well we can’t let the GOP have this victory so close to election time, can we?”
It is no different than the banking reform bill. Obama agreed to have that thing gutted the same way.
And he is simply walking away from carbon emissions legislation just as he capitulated on Constitution-based trials for terrorists.
This is really foolish. Capitulation didn’t accomplish anything and each day he is getting closer to giving up control of one or both houses. And that is as it should be. We don’t expect every issue to be solved in 2 years, but after passing the bailout bill, these people have done absolutely NOTHING for 11 months. They deserve to get routed. My only hope is that most of the more progressive members will keep their seats.
A health insurance company just happens to be in the business of taking money (in the form of premiums from people and employers and subsidies from the government; the fact they’re supposed to pay reimbursements for health treatment is nearly beside the point.
If they deny coverage and someone dies — they have lost nothing. They’ve made a business decision which benefits them. Human pain and suffering means nothing to them.
If they delay payment and make it difficult to get treatment — their profits go up. So they will do this, too. Money trumps people.
If they raise their rates so high that 10-20% of subscribers are forced to drop coverage each year, if it works out that the company bottom line is improved at all, they’ll do this, too. They do not care how many tens of millions of Americans have no insurance. It’s not their problem.
They have realized that someone who makes ANY care claims at all MIGHT one day make a bigger claim — and so the safest thing to do to protect profits is to drop them or find some pretense for rescission. These days, without a doubt, if you come down with anything serious, they’re going to look for a reason — any reason, true or false or trivial — to dump you. Better that than to be on the hook to pay for expensive treatments — which have also been driven higher than the tower of Babel by the structure of the entire system.
The point of all this being? The insurance companies will do exactly anything it takes to make more money for themselves and provide only as little actual health care access as they can get away with. The human lives affected, the people hurt, maimed or killed — these only matter in as much as profits, stock price and quarterly dividends are impacted.
In a monopolistic environment, these hyper-parasitic tendencies only go out of control faster. The solutions? There are many — single-payer, vastly increased competition, anti-trust laws, strict enforcement of regulations and coverage minimums.
One ‘solution’ that is bound to fail is “let them continue to charge whatever they like, and the government will throw billions of dollars at them in the form of subsidies to keep it all going a little while longer.” Does anyone truly think this solution will slow or reduce these skyrocketing premiums for increasingly garbages insurance plans?
As Dr. Marcia Angell pointed out on a must-see edition of Bill Moyers last Friday…
There is absolutely nothing in the present Obama bill that will keep the insurance monopoly from raising its prices… eg, the premiums will continue to go up and up and, now,
the US taxpayers and citizens will pay for it two ways instead of one: via our taxes (for the subsidies) and via our pocketbooks to keep our own insurance.
And the bill does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to lower costs at the source… which is where the real problem lies.
One other thing that came through loud and clear to me after watching Moyers’ wonderful show last Friday… with Wendell Potter reluctantly advocating for the Obama bill and Marcia Angell of Harvard Medical School strongly against…
Rahm allowed the fucking insurance monopoly to write the bill, with Baucus as the pseudonymous author… and there is just enough “good” so that Dems can advocate for it even tho the core of the fucking bill completely sells out US citizens to private monopolies with no alternative.
VEry cleverly crafted… by the expert theives called corporations… just enough “good” to justify its passage… or so they thought.
It may be that Americans are smarter than they thought.
Frankly, I am so pissed at the cluster fuck Obama caused in what was a once-in-a-lifetime chance at real reform…
that I hope the man goes down in flames. His cerebral musing disgust me… where was he from the beginning? Then stepping in after all the back-room deals were made… as if we wouldn’t notice.
Bastard.
T R Reid is one of the NYT best kept secrets. Brilliant. A good interview or read every time.
the US commonocracy is dying.Elections over the last 30 or so years have changed congress into the current form, a kleptocracy. Which is, to me anyway, actually painful to watch.
How many current members of the House even understand the constitution? Which should be a prerequisite to get the job, no? Maybe the candidates should be required to take a test before elections and should have to post their scores.
What we see now are mostly bottomfeeders, coming into congress to make a pile and then leave, or we have those who have stuck around for more than 10 years. They become corrupt just by staying.
Then we have the senate where 100 yo yos all think that they should be prezdent and all of them act like they already are.
Stir in TV like faux news and you have the current mess. The death knell of what we all thought would last forever. The commonocracy is dying. It proves, once and for all, that a republic form of govt in the modern age can not survive.
Yet what then are we to make of other democracies? Countries like Japan and Germany-where we made their govts after WWII and did not make them republics in our image but made them like all the countries in Euroland, parliamentary democracies.
Why is that form of democracy thriving while our republic lies on its death bed? They have more elections because their govt is directly responsible to the people. Apathy does not seem to be as big a problem and the big point, they do not allow their govts to stay(Nixon, gwb) when they go off the rails. Meanwhile we are stuck with those who get elected even when they are idiots. Example. The rethug primary in Texas. All of 12% of the registered voters did so, even with a week of early voting. The elections commission stated that the 12% who showed up were “much more than had been expected”.
No wonder our form of govt is dying. We elect people then forget about them until the next election, of course we really can’t do anything about them anyway. So we get the wing nuts-both left and right-being not only elected, but reelected, over and over.
Is there anything that can be done to stop the current slide into Authoritarianism, military dictatorship or theocratic dictatorship?
I really feel sorry for my grandkids but I do not believe that they will have as good a life as my generation-baby boomers-did. I read lots of history. One thing stands out. No form of govt lasts very long. From the Roman empire, to China and Japan, change always happens. Sometimes smoothly but most of the time it takes lots of violence to make a change. And the second thing that stands out is that it only takes a relatively small part of the polity to start that change(war)most of the polity simply stands aside and does not want to get involved. Until they are forced to. Lose a war, your govt gets changed from outside. Or the govt becomes so massivly corrupt that the majority will silently support the overthrow of the current govt. That way lies massive upheaval. Like Russia in 1917 and China in 1947. It took many years for the govt to evolve in China into what it is becoming, the superpower of the 21st century. While the experiment in crony communism that was the USSR and the eastern bloc ultimately failed.
What lies ahead for the US? I have no idea if the ultimate change in the way we govern ourselves will be violent or peaceful. Most people do not appear to care about their govt, claiming that it does not effect them. Would they react? Others claim that freedom matters most to everyone. Yet most people in the world would rather be secure and full than”free”. So where will we wind up? With a govt much like that of China? Or one like England? Either way we will all wind up paying for that govt because our current form has failed to do what we elected them to do. Fix the potholes, provide the laws and programs that the majority of the polity want and provide for the common defense. Instead they vote on whether or not a massacre that occured in a country that no longer exists, was a genocide(because they are muslim?). Meanwhile they refuse to vote on things like HCR, energy policy and other like minded legislation. They vote massive amounts of money to the military industrial complex while ignoring the fact that NO died. Our govt no longer works the way it was designed and except for a few activists, no one cares. Our govt can or will no longer fix the potholes.
The question is, how long will the people stand for it? Better yet, do the sheeple have any idea exactly what they are protesting for? I do not think so. People on medicare and SS demonstrating against govt run programs, yelling “keep the govt off my medicare”. The dumbing down of america is very plain to see. How low can we go with a current 30% drop out rate that very few are even willing to talk about, much less do anything about?
“As I said you can get most of the people to believe etc.” I continue in my bemusemnt at how they get away with it.
I don’t think we need to convince many in the Corporate establishment to be fearful It comes with the territory of opressors.
OT Reminds me of a take I read, I think in Jim Webb’s Born Fighting that the English in emptying Ireland of during the potato famine actually caused them to suffer from lack of a labor pool. Fools. If you butcher the cows, there’s no milk for the future generations.
New Deal: Do not forget FDIC insurance, unemployment benefits, and food stamps.
I really think at some level, hopefully unconscious, he sees a solution to rid the country of poor and disabled people. Pure Randian, if you’re not a producer you don’t deserve to live. He has just made too many slips of the tongue that are demeaning to the easily led and special Olympics folks etc.
I live in tea bagger country.
I live in GA. Former brainwashed conservative turned progressive. Trust me, you can forget about the Deep South(SC,GA,AL,MS)voting progressive for a long time. The deep south will not be in play until the illegal immigrants legal native born kids have a chance to vote and become politically active. Minimum of 10 years, probably more like 20 years. You just have to live here to understand how brainwashed and dumb these people are. Give you example I overheard a lady in the county courthouse the other day raving how Obama is going to “raiser” all their taxes, of course the choir around her immediately confirmed the idiocracy. Now this lady also said she is on unemployment and lamenting how tough things are, now here is the kicker there was a big sign on the door which I had entered explaing how the Republican Governor of GA had repealed the homestead exemption act raising everybody’s property tax by an average of 180 dollars. Do you think they were complaining, hell they can’t even read. There is a 55% school drop out rate in the County I live. Where do you start? First, she wouldn’t have unemployment if it were not for the democratic congress continously extending the benefits and of course it’s her Republican governor raising taxes not Obama. Hell, he even cut taxes for the working middle class. They are this dumb, it makes the movie actors on Dumb and Dumber look smart.
Christian Zionists is the religion down here for the lower classes and of course the racists and upper middle class rich are overwhelmingly Republican. The middle class is pretty much disappearing down here. Who do you think the tea baggers are? My guess predominately Southern white jingoistic trash. Abandon all hope down here. I wish I could be more optimistic instead of realistic.
They tell me they need to pass this bill to ensure that the democrats remain in power. And that’s very telling, because that’s really ALL that this is about for them: power. Empty process, devoid of meaning. Theater. They unwittingly make the best argument for
staying homeonly voting in local elections/for progressive candidates.I also live in a rural Georgia County and admit you have a case. But I only despair on odd numbered days. In my view the secret is for our small but significant numbers of liberal/progressives to mount genuine efforts to take over the State and County Democratic Parties from the DINOs rather than just voting for the lesser evil.
This is not easy but can be done with patience. There would then be access to media for progressive message. I also think running just a few statewide or Congressional candidates can be a very good way to message.
Part of the problem hear is the only voice they hear is the far right wing GOP and Democrat alike.
One thing I can be optimistic about, I was a confirmed atheist before I had an encounter with Jesus in 2008. We are going to win people. You can take that to the bank. A new age is entering, not speculation it’s a damn fact. Hu Ahh!
I knew we were in trouble when O talked about privatizing the VA system at the beginning of his reign.
Yep. And it just gets worse. I really see no advantage for him to remain in office.
I don’t see any signs of fear in the ruling class yet. Quite the opposite. But they are cowards by nature, I believe, which is why I am quietly rooting for the likes of Stack and Bedell, and hoping such as they become more focused than to simply attack govt symbols rather than the actual folks who are responsible for making and enforcing the rules that enslave the People.
LOL. I also live in Georgia (New York transplant), in Cherokee Country, and used to live in Hall. I can’t have any optimism at all about the people here becoming any more aware. Fox News rules here, to the extent they watch any news at all. Forget about reading news.
Obama says a lot of things that sound good, which unfortunately have no basis in reality. Obama’s HCR only exacerbates the situation.
Exactly, not least of all because the pols will say for the next 10 years that they just did a health care bill, so let’s not mess with the issue again any time soon.
I would hope that all sane progressives would understand that the best we can hope for at this point is to see this bill get defeated.
I find it amazing that no one in the media has asked a simple question: Obama has been bashing the insurance industry for weeks now and claiming that his plan will stop all of their abuses. If that is so then why is the insurance industry so quiet? This is the same group that spent millions on lobbying and own most of congress. If they didn’t want this thing they would be purchasing hours of airtime and making the recent MA special election media blitz look like PBS
Its like old home night, I’m in Georgia too.
I live in the bright lights, big city and trust me the same mentality is pretty thick on the ground here. Its amazing that politicians keep running (and winning) on the cut government message. Georgia, which is not the poorest state, happens to raise less in state and local taxes than any other state. And GA spends less than all but one or two other states (I believe Lottery revenue accounts for the difference). Its gotten to the point where the General Assembly ought to add government services– if only to give themselves programs to cut in future election cycles. :o)
Incidentally, Jack Bernard, the Republican “former” Jasper County commissioner who last year endorsed a single payer “Universal Medicare” system, recently won a special election and is back on the Board of Commissioners.
http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/08/28/former-jasper-county-republican-chairman-on-single-payer/
http://www.themonticellonews.com/print_this_story.asp?smenu=1&sdetail=6432
The past really is another country. Leaving aside that adjusted for inflation, $200,000 in 1944 dollars is worth more than $2.4 million in current dollars, have you ever of Milton Friedman’ maxim, “its better to tax old men’s money than young men’s bodies”? In 19944, at the height of World War II, Selective Service was drafting men between the age of 18 and 45 (and requiring men up to the age of 65 to register), so I’d note:
1. If you were a male between 18 to 65, you might have trouble leaving the country without facing draft evasion charges.
2. Whether you’re male or female, you’d be seen as deeply unpatriotic leaving the country for tax reasons in the middle of World War II.
Not only that. There weren’t too many places to go in the middle of WW.2.
You are in liberal paradise in Atlanta. (smile) I am even further up the road from razorbrain. That said I do know there are more progressives than most realize but we have been shut out of the political process by Blue Dog control of the Democratic Party in Georgia.
Just up the road from you. Best (almost only) place to eat in town is The Pool Room.
Did you see my note the other night at getting spooked driving home past an old shack with invading kudzu surrounded by bikes and pickups with Confederate flags and other like logos. Found myself wondering who was going to get it that night.?
Agreed. When the administration’s internal polling indicates people are upset about an issue, Obama will come out and say something to assauge their concerns. It has no bearing on reality. None of this will be reflected in the policies they pursue. It’s obviously disingenuous and nothing more than political smoke and mirrors. This is basically how he got elected. I wonder how much longer he can continue with the lies and manipulation and still be considered a viable President.
A very long time. Like most Orwellians he believes that the people can be easily manipulated time and time again.
No, I didn’t see the note you refer to, but I have no trouble visualizing the scene (unfortunately).
It’s nice to know you are close by, because I am consistently moved and impressed by your thoughts and writing. Perhaps you might be interested in meeting for coffee or a beer sometime, especially now that spring is here?
I like your thinking and writing too. If you wouldn’t be ashamed of being seen in public with this white haired almost 80yr old crone it would be fun to have a glass of wine and visit with you. If you ever get up to the Dawson County Outlet Mall on 400 we could do that. My email is (with the usual characters and without the dashes and spaces) talkingstick__ at__ windstream __dot__net
Got it, TS. Thanks. I’ll be in touch after I finish with my current focus, which is trying to catch the market top which I believe is imminent.
And I’m sure that my balding, late 50′s look will provide enough glamour to carry us both through the moment lol.