On his radio show this weekend, Eric Massa asserts that he was railroaded out of office by the Democratic leadership because of his refusal to vote “yes” on the Senate health care bill. He says “Rahm Emanuel is son of the devil’s spawn…He is an individual who would sell his mother to get a vote,” and that he may rescind his resignation:
“Mine is now the deciding vote on the health care bill,” Massa, who on Friday announced his intention to resign, said during a long monologue on radio station WKPQ. “And this administration and this House leadership have said, quote-unquote, they will stop at nothing to pass this health care bill. And now they’ve gotten rid of me and it will pass. You connect the dots.”
I have no idea what the ethics charges are against Massa, or whether they are valid. But what has seemed clear from the start is that Steny Hoyer and others did not waste the opportunity to show Massa to the door.
Massa was one of 39 Democrats to vote against the health care bill in the House the first time around. After it was announced that Nathan Deal would retire but would hang onto his seat through the health care vote, the Democrats needed 217 votes to pass the Senate bill. But leadership was having a hard time coming by those votes, and with Massa’s resignation, that number drops to 216.
Hoyer released a statement to the effect that he had been informed of the complaint the week of February 8, and told Massa’s staff that they had 48 hours to bring it to the attention of the Ethics Committee or he would do so himself. “Within 48 hours, Mr. Hoyer received confirmation from both the Ethics Committee staff and Mr. Massa’s staff that the Ethics Committee had been contacted and would review the allegations,” according to Katie Grant, Hoyer’s spokeswoman.
On the radio, Massa claimed that Hoyer is lying: “Steny Hoyer has never said a single word to me, at all, ever, not once. Not a word. This is a lie. It’s a blatant, false statement,” Massa said.
Totally aside from any merits of the ethics charges against Massa, recall that Norm Dicks, Jack Murtha, Jim Moran and Roland Burris all had their ethics charges dismissed in December. And then quelle suprise! Roland Burris, who had been threatening to withhold his cloture vote over the Senate bill without a public option, instantly became a convert. The rest were all safely in the “yes” column in the House. You could pretty much eat live babies on TV and get your ethics complaint dismissed if you were ready to play ball and vote for PhRMAcare.
So why has Hoyer been so coy about Massa until now? If Massa’s actions really were so scandalous that he needed to resign immediately and were deserving of “Mark Foley” comparisons, why didn’t Hoyer take action when he first heard of them a month ago?
There are a lot of inconsistencies in everyone’s stories and it’s hard to know who did what when. But it doesn’t look like Massa’s position on the Senate bill did him any favors with leadership.
More on the interview from Dave Dayen.




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The level of egregiousness of whatever Massa’s “sin” may be seem to this observer to be hardly a blip on the congressional scandalmeter. That Massa felt so bad about it spoke more to his character than lack of it, imho. So my thoughts went to how convenient it is for all these dem scandals to be coming out now.
Seems to me everyone has dirt on everyone else, and when they choose to publicize that dirt is all based on when one needs to fire the bullet, not upon discovery of the facts.
The Democrats are willing to lose this seat over a vote? I must say, as much as I mistrust the Democrats and deplore their inability to think strategically, this would be a new low. Massa won this district by the skin of his teeth. It was considered safely Republican before he won it. If the locals get the idea that the national Dems pushed Massa out over a BS issue, they’re not likely to accept a candidate those same Dems come up with to replace him.
I just don’t get what’s going on here.
It appears the WH is willing to lose dozens of seats next election over this vote.
interesting
After HCR passes Obama will be set for life – getting only one term would be great for him since then he’d go on to get his payback by getting paid $500K+ per speech to healthcare industry companies and Wall Street. HCR is all about setting up Obama and the other leaders for huge financial windfalls a few years down the road. Rahm for instance will make his previous $18 million dollar payday be chump change compared to what he’ll make working on mergers and acquisitions for healthcare companies.
Did Massa issue a statement explaining his “no” vote on H R 3962?
Just as I’d said back when his “resignation” was first rumored.
I’m sure the calculations behind whacking Massa now are that the D’s aren’t going to hold the seat anyway, so kill him now and benefit from him not voting against the WH.
If Massa has stones he’ll stick around just to stand up against this sort of thing.
Then again, the WH may threaten his family, so he may not choose to risk their futures.
He’s resigning, how is that “railroaded out of office”?
And there’s much more from the radio. Alan Colmes has audio of Massa telling about Rahm confronting him and yelling him out–while both were naked in the shower room at the Congressional gym.
Rahm is low-life scum…
Obama and Rahm are using Chicago style thug politics. “Do what we say or we will break your legs.” PBO is an SOB.
Obama, Rahm and this administration are bunch of thugs. I can’t wait until Obama’s one term is over… because I GUARANTEE that he will not win a second term.
Massa’s also changed his story multiple times in the last few days. I’m not getting a very good feeling about him looking at all this.
I was stunned Massa offered to resign so quickly.
It’s very strange.
We will see.
“The single most important quality needed to resist evil is moral autonomy. Moral autonomy is possible only through reflection, self-determination and the courage not to cooperate.”
– Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) German philosopher
“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”
– Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850), French economist
Massa’s future lobbying career suddenly seems rather tenuous.
Here’s something worth watching. Rahm ‘inspects’ Massa during his unsuccessful campaign in 2006, tells him not to be so angry, to be more likable, to raise $200,000 a month for the next four months in order to get DCCC support.
Which didn’t ever come.
I don’t know what the “scandal” is in all of this but let’s put that aside for a moment and look at it politically. Massa barely won his district and yet came into office acting like a pisher. If it’s true that he’s being shown the door, then that’s the kind of hardball I expect the Democrats to play with people who refuse to get with the program especially first term Reps who don’t know their place. This may be about Massa right now but it’s more about the people down the road who might contemplate “going rogue” — it sends a message.
This much I do know; Hoyer IS a liar, IMO. AND he was one of the co-sponsors of HAVA which basically privatized our elections.
Here.
Jane -
Can you please stop using the words “Democratic” and “leadership” together as a phrase unless you are clearly being sarcastic by combining the two? In particular, in a context where Rahm is concerned? Addressing these jackasses as “leaders” is liking showing deference and respect a group of incompetent would-be car prowlers trying to puzzle out the problem of circumventing car alarms.
Except Massa told his district’s voters exactly what he would do, and he did it.
The guy is a dead man walking, what incentive does he have to lie?
Simon Johnson has a column over at Huffington Post – titled “Does the Obama Administration Even Want to Win in November?” – that suggests the Obama administration would be fine with a Republican takeover of the House this fall.
I agree, but those are somewhat abstract seats, where this one is not. It’s like knowing we’re all going to die one day is different from running across a busy street without looking. In this case, they’re willing to give up a House seat in exchange for a vote that won’t help them politically, if Massa’s assessment and mine are both true.
At his website, he says that no one on the Ethics Committee communicated with him directly and that he first learned of the complaint about his making a staff member “uncomfortable” on the internet.
I see no reason to think that what appears to be “changing his story” is anything other than what has been reported about it, which is that at first, before he knew what the specific accusation was, he made general statements about his tendency to use strong language, and that, once he learned of the specific accusation, he addressed it specifically.
Frankly, I think the changes indicate that he is being railroaded. At first, they let him say he was resigning because of his health. If anything, it looks like they put this bs out publicly to make sure he goes. His speaking out now about being pushed out looks like he’s decided not to go quietly.
I’m with Jane on this one. The real story is whether or not it is being used to push Massa out in order to pass this
health care legislationbad joke on the American people.Paterson doesn’t have to call a special election at all, so the seat might go unfilled until January 2011. Having an empty seat might be better for Obama, Hoyer, and Rahm than having an unpredictable NO vote on #hcr.
More tenuous than it already was, yes. Massa wasn’t a natural lobbyist anyway, IMHO. He never seemed inclined to put the big lobbyists clients’ interests ahead of his constituents. He might be effective in some advocacy role (IOW, what Republicans call “special interests”) if it weren’t for his unfortunate sense of humor. Given his medical circumstances, though, he probably wasn’t interested in such a job.
I’m no fan of Rahm Emanuel and I think that the best thing that could happen is for Rahm to resign and be replaced with a Democrat, (yeah I know what Rahm call himself), but this sounds like bullshit to me. Rahm Emanuel can’t “force” anybody from elected office. We knew that Massa can’t behave himself in a civilized manner and now we know that he can’t take responsibility for that behavior. Just not buying that this one is on Emanuel.
Bowers has a different take:
http://openleft.com/diary/17736/by-flatout-changing-his-story-massa-receives-huge-wave-of-new-support
I don’t know enough about the situation to say who’s right and who’s wrong, but given Massa’s statements and rationales, I don’t get a good feeling.
Plus, there’s the fact that he’s going on Glen Beck to air the dirty laundry.
Love how many different reasons this guy has told people WHY he is resigning from Congress.
Any guess what his reason will be tomorrow?
They are trying to pass something fast as the crimes by the medical health care industry get even more egregious and they have to justify giving these extortionist more power and billions. There is no excuse. Americans deserve single payer. Every single mother, every sick and crippled person struggling to make a living, every mentally slow individual, every lost or exploited soul deserves health care like other civilized nations. We are being juiced like a fruit by relaxed pollution laws and a medical health care industry that has no incentive to cure disease. We MUST fix this.
Actually, that’s what I was assuming – that the seat would be empty until the 2010 general election. What I was saying is that they’re giving that seat up from 2011 on.
It looks like he got whacked. I wondered about this when I first read about it, but didn’t know which side whacked him. Now I have a better idea.
Democratic congressmen are just pawns in an eleventy-dimensional chess game, I guess.
(Why this is a surprise to me I don’t know. I’m still pissed off about Paul Hackett and that was years ago.)
Is there any validity to Massa’s claim that his is the deciding vote? I thought there were still a lot of (publicly) undecideds. Sounds like shameless self-aggrandizement to me. It does not bolster his credibility.
The “Rahm is the devil’s spawn” appears to be taken from Hugo Chavez’ playbook. It is an amusing bit of hyperbole but does nothing to help his cause.
Don’t retire just yet Eric, you have to kill this bill for all of us. You have the chance to keep the fabric of the country in tact, or make it break. I have to say, at least we have someone reasonable to decide the fate of our country. That is something we have not had until this point. Whether it be to make the dirt bags start over and give us a single payer, or begin a revolution that will end this sham of false representation for the profit of the oligarchy, do what you think is right, but stay in congress a little while longer to help us.
Please, Kill Bill.
frederic:
Rahm & Obie only use their “Chicago Style” of persuasion on other Democrats. When challenged by a Republican, they roll over on their backs with arms & legs in the air to have their bellies scratched.
http://post.ly/RW6f
might not mean anything, pourmecoffee tweeted this a little while ago.
It’s pretty damn unusual for someone to resign a congressional seat in a damn big hurry and not be provably guilty of something fairly nasty.
My dad gets dialysis three times a week at a cost of 60K per month. That is 5K a session. Yes FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS A SESSION. This set up serves 15 chairs 4 times a day. 15 X 4 = 300K A DAY FOR THIS DIALYSIS COMPANY.
300K X 30 = 900K per month this place makes. What are the odds that this type of treatment will never be replaced. We must take the profit out of health care to save all of our lives and uncounted misery.
Jason,
I don’t care to read Bowers’s speculations about it.
But let me be more blunt.
How could you possibly think that we should all care and/or be gossiping about what two adults discuss privately rather than whether or not a member of Congress has been pushed out of office in order to pass
health care legislationa really bad joke on the American people?I think Bowers is starting from a perspective that any progressive politician who opposes the current HCR bill is dishonest, and going from there. Even if I’d never heard of Eric Massa before, just reading what I’ve read here and at Talking Points Memo, and Massa’s own statements, it’s pretty clear that he’s an emotional person, and a rather feisty one. He has claimed that he was only aware of the “ethics” probe after he had decided to retire (meaning, not seek re-election). His resignation (quitting and going home) he justified on the grounds, to paraphrase slightly, that he was just tired of the crap. My guess is that since then he’s been reading his own press, and getting progressively more pissed.
In short, we often look inconsistent when we change our minds, and there’s reason to suspect that Massa has, or is publicly going through the sort of internal dialogue most of us would rather do in private.
Massa does appear to have a habit of expressing thoughts that most of us would keep to ourselves.
Or maybe it’s blackmail.
Amen. I recall Bill Maher saying something to that effect last year. Capitalism is great but why does EVERYTHING in this country have to be for-profit?
Kill the God damned bill!! It’s clear that ObamaRahma are out to gut the Democratic majority in the House regardless of the healthcare outcome so let’s play chicken with this cowardly representative of America’s Likud…kill the bill and make healthcare and the wars the only issue in November!
All this shows is how inept the Democrats are. It looks like they can’t even tie their shoe laces. Governance? You must be kidding. What voter in their right mind is going to waste a vote on them? I thought the Republicans were crazy destructive but I have never seen a party so loony tunes suicidal as the Democrats.
I couldn’t resist taking a peek. You’re exactly right. Bowers “is starting from a perspective that any progressive politician who opposes the current HCR bill is dishonest” and he’s constructed an argument to dismiss people like me who think that the Senate health bill and the Obama proposal are garbage.
Maybe Massa is tired of fighting his own party. It must suck after winning against cancer to find you have to fight your own party over basic democratic philosophy.
Rahm makes an inviting target for the wrath and rage of us “fucking r******d” liberals, but doesn’t he work at the behest of the president. Obama’s hands are just as fucking dirty as Rahm’s.
As I watched the president’s news conference today, my wrath was tinged by sadness and despair that we’re stuck with this fucking fraud for another 3 years. How glibly the lies roll from his mouth.
[Mod Note: While realizing that you are quoting another person, please try to limit the use of that term as it is offensive.]
it’s hard to blackmail an innocent member of Congress into resigning, particularly via congressional investigation.
why did he quit with only a few days notice?
Knowing what I’ve read of Massa and seeing this story develop, I think those assuming these charges are trumped up are being overconfident. Maybe they’re right, I’m just not nearly as confident.
Another fact I learned, Massa announced he was retiring the day before Deal announced he’d stay, putting the magic number in the House up to 217 again from 216.
If Eric Massa cares about getting a descent health care bill out of congress by opposing ObamaRahmacare and the accusations are as minor as he claims, then I have a hard time understanding why he would resign. As we all know, you can do just about anything and still retain your seat in congress if you want to, especially if you want to fight for it. So . . . jane, are you up to asking him to stay until after the up coming HCR votes are done? My guess is, there is much more to the story, even if it is just embarrassing. I would not put it past the Obama Administration and the Democratic leadership to blackmail him out of office, but if I cared about an issue strongly enough I would stay and fight. And if I had any real dirt on the Democrats, I would spill it if forced to by circumstances. Massa is another case of progressives in congress enabling the power structure to screw the people. I would revise my conclusion if he stays and fights, but that is such a rare occurrence, a progressive making a last stand to block anything, that I can’t even see Bernie Sanders in that role. When did the term “wussy” and “progressive” become synonymous? Congressman Weiner is someone else that just doesn’t seem to be able to make a stand when the rubber meets the road. If Obama is odious, then what are the progressives?
“Kucinich didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. The congressman has previously insisted that the law allowing insurance companies to sue states that adopt single-payer systems must be changed. And on this front, Sanders admits, his provision has a “weakness.”
That provision indeed has to go!
California and other individual States could prove to be the laboratories of a social democracy, and that is to dangerous for totalitarian capitalism to let stand.
It is not hard to blow out of proportion any event. I don’t know what happened but it seems that Rham and Massa are not allies. And in Rham’s eyes this makes Massa an enemy. Maybe Rham is also going after all of the folks who won in spite of his lack of support.
So, you’re watching this story develop for a day or two and are skeptical about Massa, but you’ve been watching the story about health care reform develop for more than a year and are still willing to give Obama and the Democratic Party leadership the benefit of the doubt?
Seriously, you think whether or not he made a comment to a staffer – presumably an adult – about sex matters more than whether or not we get real health care reform? You think it matters more than whether or not the Obama administration is using it to railroad a member of Congress?
Jason, you’re not going to distract anyone here from what’s really important.
What a buncha jerks, every last one of them.
O hid his intentions for longer. It didn’t take but an eyeblink for Massa to make an ass of himself.
What do vealbloggers like Bowers and OpenDemocrats have to do with progressivism? Not going to honor him with the ad impression.
I have a friend that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. She had been ill for a long time but was uninsured and did not go to the dr. By the time she was diagnosed she was in bad shape. She required 8 chemo treatments to the tune of 22,000 each, followed up with a shot of something that cost 6,000 per. Give me a fucking break! $6,000. for ONE shot. Three weeks ago she had one kidney removed. Had she been insured the cancer could have been caught much earlier.
These bastards are killing us and making a killing in the process.
The worst version about what happened that I’ve heard is that he told another adult male that he’d like to have sex with him. How is that making an ass of himself?
We want our politicians not to speak about sex with other adults. We want our politicians not to pay for sex with other adults. I’m glad I’m not a fucking politician.
Whatever. Can we please talk about how this relates to health care reform?
I’m afraid that HCR serves as a distraction from the much more deleterious destruction of middle class Americans by Wall Street.
Hopefully this damned legislation, now in its undead brain-eating zombie phase, will finally die, soon, and we won’t have anymore of it.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to make this personal. I’m saying it smells funny, I’m not leveling an accusation.
He’s changed his story a couple of times, he’s been volatile and used OTT language, he’s appearing for a full hour on Glenn Beck tomorrow, he did a litany of his ‘frat boy’ history on his radio program. Is that enough, or do you need more?
Nothing personal. Just keeping my eye on the ball and not letting myself get distracted by nonsense.
The original statement (if that is the substance of the alleged ethics violation) is a trifle. It is Massa’s bungled exit (or not) and his constantly shifting story that make him appear an ass.
Mind you, I have no problem with him embarrassing the White House if he is capable. Unfortunately, his flaky behavior makes that unlikely. Now he’s going on Fox to tell his tale. I’m certain THAT will enhance his credibility.
well, Mary, I haven’t noticed the congress jumping all over itself to do Rahm’s bidding, so I have to guess that he couldn’t have ordered a purge of Massa because he wanted one. Congress just doesn’t work that way.
There might or might not be exaggeration but there is likely to be something of some substance. We’ll know when we know and speculation seems somewhat idle.
As does blaming Massa’s problems on Rahm Emanuel.
Drink of your choice sliding down the bar at ya.
Massa said he voted no to public option health reform because he wanted single payer and was waiting for that bill.
Hard to fit his words with his actual voting record – brief as it was.
Maybe. I don’t really know. Perhaps my frustration with Rahm and O is coloring how I assess things.
I’d rather have an potty-mouth asshole in the House who demands a better health care bill than a smooth-talking asshole in the White House who shits all over real reform.
As I wrote in my comment @ 23, changing his story looks more like tension behind-the-scenes between him and those pushing him out than like anything else.
Unless 45,000 preventable deaths from lack of health care is an acceptable norm, whatever Massa did or did not do, – the outrage is OTT.
okay I think these big numbers boggled my mind. Here’s the correct math, I think.
My dad gets dialysis three times a week at a cost of 60K per month. That is 5K a session. Yes FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS A SESSION.
This set up serves 15 chairs 4 times a day. 15 X 4 =30
30 sessions x 5K = 150K A DAY .
150K x 30 (days in a mo) = $4,500,000 4 MILLION AND 500 THOUSAND A MONTH.
Yup Corporate DEATH PANELS !!
45,000+ die each and every year because of the current system and these assholes won’t take their heads of their asses out and do anything for all those who are dieing!!
Where are the protests in the Street! This is much worse than the Wars, I mean that 500,000 in ten years and it is only going to get worse with all thse rate hikes thats prices more and more citizens out of coverage.
Single Payer, Run by the government for the people! Cut the Money Changers out of the picture and there would enough money to have everyone covered for Health Care… And Not Health Insurance, which is just a way for the money lenders to skim off the top!!
End this whole Health Insurance SCAM period!!
Excellent point Knoxville. That’s what we call playing the game.
Thanks. I found nothing at his website about it.
I have no idea what his actual motives might be. If he represents a “no” vote I would prefer he rescind his resignation, at least until the Senate bill is dead and buried.
I don’t assume the charges are trumped up, but I do have to wonder. What other explanations there are for Steny Hoyer’s sudden interest in ethics don’t make a lot of sense, either. The timing of all this is suspicious, but you can construct stories that explain it either to Massa’s or Hoyer’s, et. al., benefit.
At this point, the only detailed explanation of what went on was Massa’s, and it at least fits with his earlier statements. (EDIT: What’s more, he claims there’s corroborating video.) That’s not much to go on, but as I wrote elsewhere about this, I don’t think people change all that much. Usually, the situations they find themselves in change. So did Hoyer change, or Massa’s situation?
Know what this is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpP4zgllau4
It’s all just a game.
It looks like he was going to rescind it, just before this nonsense came out about him.
I’m sure it’s true. An adult had a conversation with another adult about having sex, and some think that’s the most important part of this story.
Meanwhile, now there’s one less member of the House to demand a better bill.
We all know that Anthony Weiner will take contributions, calling himself a “fighter for real health care reform,” but that he won’t actually demand any real reform in exchange for his “yes” vote.
The fastest growing export of our Financial institutions is fraud, and that of our Main Street industry is trash, – at least to China.
Because capitalism is not great, that’s why.
Obama and Emanuel are two desperate fucks right now, I think that much is abundantly clear. I suppose you can plot out several opposing groups at play here and only one of which is the clear winner, namely the Republican right.
Obama and the majority of Democrats who have tied their fortunes to him are committed to the Obama/Senate HCR bill and they will all sink with him due of course because the bill is a farce. And now desperation has set in among this rank in their effort to pass it. Regardless of what Massa chooses to do the more attention he brings to himself the more obvious the corrupt motives and desperation of this faction becomes.
A separate faction are those that oppose Obama and the HCR sham that he would foist down people’s throat. Here are included the right reactionaries, the left along with much of the country and some vague non commital Dems in the House. Clearly this faction is in the majority.
The Massa affair should resolve the absurd argument as to whether Emanuel is a boon to Obama or not. That he is not seems crystal clear to most except Obama and in truth they deserve each other and can both rot together.
Given the overall dynamic Obama has created for himself, I would imagine that there is a good and growing likelihood that his HCR POS proposal will go down burning and him along with it. That he should fail is only right but the problem of course is what we can do to make the aftermath liveable.
One thing is clear and that is that we should not cede the Obama aftermath to the reactionaries who are now drooling at the prospect of Obama’s and the Dem’s self immolation.
Yeh, it’s becoming more and more apparent that the HCR is all about the giveaway to Insurance, PhRMA and Big Med.
It’s not about party anymore, it’s out in the open . . . . for all to see, both party’s fully indebted and owned and controlled by corporate money and leverage and pressure.
Winning an election means nothing anymore . . . . it’s all about service to the corporate structure.
And that’s bad for we the people, real bad.
From 2009:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/10/eric-massa-protests-outsi_n_173520.html
I’ll go with Massa’s version of events.
If the seat goes GOP in 2010 and the levers of power in Albany stay in Democratic hands and if NYS loses a seat in Congress due to redistricting — admittedly a lot of ‘ifs’ — this will be the seat that disappears.
I’m trying to imagine how this relates to Foley’s ongoing text messaging or Vitter’s predilections and fail to understand the overwhelming reason he offered to resign. Foley left without a proven mark on him and Vitter apparently just told his voters that he didn’t have sex with those prostitutes when he made those visits. The only obvious difference is that the Bush administration wasn’t trying to eliminate parts of the Republican Team. When Obama circles the wagons it’s like watching Bill Clinton in action once again. Except that Clinton was more congenial as he walked away.
The big message is that as Team Obama keeps it’s promise to centralize and coordinate reelection campaigns, dissension in the ranks will be met with the carrot and the stick. The f#@king r@t%rded liberals are probably not going to see many carrots unless they give up their lefty ideals.
Heretic! Heretic! Death to the infidel!
Capitalism Akbar!
15 chairs 4 times a day. 15 X 4 =60. 60 X $5,000 = 300K/day. If these are being used say 22 days a month (remember weekends), that would be around $6.6 million a month or $79.2 million/year.
http://www.13wham.com/mostpopular/story/Massa-Fires-Back-Breaking-Down-His-Claims/KCWAjNtTL0yHovMaf_6DcQ.cspx
about all I can find.
I have a hard time believing that those who forgave Clinton getting a blow job from an intern are wetting their pants over Massa making an inappropriate remark to a staffer. Either sexual escapades matter or they don’t, for heaven’s sake! If one guy didn’t have to resign and shouldn’t have been subject to people trying to force him out for political gain, neither should the other guy.
My guess is that the problem has to do with it being a guy. Dems don’t much care if a guy like Massa is gay or bi, but it may not fly well with his family, military background, etc. Me? As long as he wasn’t out sticking it to the gays like our good friend here in CA while hanging out in a closet himself, I don’t care. My guess is that Rahm offered to blow it all up into something that would drag his wife and kids through the mud or Massa could just retire a little early to deal with the cancer coming back. Massa decided it wasn’t worth it but something happened since then that made him decide he was going to take Rahm down with him, come hell or high water. Maybe he got a chance to talk to his family about it himself over the weekend while last Friday it was looking like some bad stuff might be leaked before he could get a chance to see them and deal with it face to face himself. I don’t have a crystal ball, but that’s how I’m reading the signals and bits of info that I am seeing.
Until we find out for sure (if we ever do), your take on it makes as much sense as anything else I’ve read. Rahm and Obama have lost so much credibility that I’m willing to give Massa the benefit of the doubt even though I know almost nothing about him. Things are getting ugly . . .
Nice to hear that Obama finally admitted that his “health insurance reform” bill is delivering 30 million new customers to the health insurance industry. The merging of corporate interests and the state, otherwise known as fascism, moves forward under Mr. Bipartisan.
Over at HuffPost, Massa stated that once when he was in the shower at the Congressional gym, and in comes a naked Rahm Emanuel who starts barking at him and thumping him in the chest, threatening him to vote on the Senate Bill. The guy’s standing there naked trying to shower and he gets assaulted by the President’s chief of staff (who’s not even supposed to be in there).
This Rahm Emanuel seems like some deranged character — capable of just about anything.
Do you know on what basis such a suit by the private insurers could be brought against the state?
What is the nature of these current laws that insurers claim would be violated if states adopted single payer health insurance schemes. It seems reasonable that states should not preclude private insurers from operating, they have that same right as any other business. But on what grounds would insurers object to people deciding to have the state manage their health costs, as long as the private companies could vie for that task as well.
Of course Massa is lying. Hoyer is lying. Rahm is lying. Everyone in DC is lying. That is what they do.
It’s part of ERISA, but I’m not sure exactly how it all works. If things get much worse in CA, I could see the state going ahead and a bunch of students burning down Wellpoint buildings if they try to sue to stop it. But the bottom line is that the states should be allowed to set up whatever system they want. When there was going to be a public option, they were going to let states who didn’t like it opt out, but when it comes to private insurers, you’re stuck. People aren’t going to stand for it when they find out, though most don’t know anything about that now and none of the states have passed laws that the citizens would be outraged at having private insurers be able to overturn.
I’m with you Paula. Maybe Massa had a conversation with Eliot Spitzer and decided not to go quietly. Speaking for myself, I don’t care if it turns out Massa is some kind of dirt bag. I don’t even care if he uses Glen (clown shoes) Beck to strike at Rahm. I just want to see the Obama/Senate HCR bill (and by implication RhamBama and the insurance cartel) defeated.
Palin’s people announced yesterday afternoon that she will be campaigning for a candidate in NY 29 as soon as she’s asked to show up. Can’t find the link, but I’ll look some more…
You could pretty much eat live babies on TV and get your ethics complaint dismissed if you were ready to play ball and vote for PhaRHAMacare.
There, fixed it for ya.
and it’ll probably be an Alaskan issuing the invitation.
That is what it looked like to me. What did Rahm use on Woolsey? Bong hit photos? Racist comments? “Massage therapy”?
“Obama and Emanuel are two desperate fucks right now, I think that much is abundantly clear.”
Lmao, nailed it.
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It is obvious what took place.
Sorry, this is way off. My husband is a nephrologist, and the former medical director of a dialysis unit in upstate New York, and I ran these numbers by him. The average cost to the government for one dialysis patient (most dialysis costs are paid by Medicare) is somewhere in the neighborhood of $85,000 A YEAR. Certainly under $100,000. Some insurance companies require copays for some drugs, but still, the amount you are quoting is way out of line.
This struck me as so off the wall I actually registered just to make this comment – I’ve been a lurker for years.
Homoerotic joking is common with men. Even my dad did it around me occasionally when I was a kid. I think it’s being blown out of proportion and playing on our sexually repressive societal mores.
Massa didn’t start the sexy talk but is being pilloried for it.
A bunch of men -drunk -at a wedding an one suggests that Massa should screw around on his wife , and Massa makes a verbal punch at the one sitting next to him maybe he ought to do him instead, and leaves.
Is cheating on your wife palatable only if it is with a woman?
Did the guy who made the original suggestion get reported, and when was the report made?
Didn’t the madam end up swinging from the end of a rope?
and that $85k/yr reflects more than three weekly dialyzations.
those numbers were off.
welcome!
Jane, Why didn’t Massa at least stick around, then, for a while? His side of the story doesn’t seem to make much sense. Isn’t he the one who controlled his own resignation? It would have taken weeks (or months for the ethics committee to do anything), wouldn’t it? Sounds more like “sour grapes” than anything else. And if he was in a sense “blackmailed” into resigning, why not go public on that too (or even set up a “sting operation”)? Recall that Obama and Rahm BOTH said they’d do anything to pass “insurance reform”: I guess they meant it.
Whatever, it’s all unravelling for the Democrats.
Massa voted against the Supplemental. Bet that pissed off Rahm, Steny, and Nancy. I’m betting the long knives were already out, although the way the story is breaking is bizarre.
Breaking ranks only counts if you’re on the left. Kucinich and Grigalva are spoilers who should get in line, but Stupak has “principled objections” to the bill and must be reckoned with.
That’s why Democrats are the “loyal opposition” even when they are in power. Asshats.
Steney Hoyer is scum from way back…I cannot stand him…Rahm Emanuel is the biggest parasite of them all these days, taking the place of Karl Rove in the slimebag role……
You can take both of these political parties and stuff them where the sun doesn’t shine too bright……
I have less and less patience for those on the left who still think the Dems are worth a damn and even less patience for right wingers who cannot ever see how badly the GOP screwed America during the Bush reign of terror.
I cannot stand liberal radio talk show hosts save Mike Malloy and Leslie Marshall and the right wing talkers are all batsh**t crazy ass mother-f-ers.
America as it stands now is crumbling before your eyes and I am afraid bitching and writing your elected reprensatives is not only a waste of good time and energy but way too late to save the country from completely falling apart and that the next economic collapse which is only months away will sink the nation into an abyss never seen before…..
Calling upon politicians to save you is not going to work any longer…..Until the total economic collapse arrives, nobody will be doing anything….This economic collapse coming very soon is unavoidable no matter what the media and the politicians tell ya, for they are only saving and trying to buy time for themselves–not you—the citizen…..
For your sakes—Go buy enough food and water and be prepared to have such items saved in your home…….Get ready for the next economic collapse folks and just remember that I warned you and that you will not hear this even from the most liberal of radio talk show hosts who still in all their gullibility believe that organizing and writing to politicians means anything any more. NOT!
Massa is going to be on Glenn Beck’s today. Allegedly for an hour
there has to be something he is hiding for him to drop out like that